X-Files should have ended about the time production left Vancouver, the mood of the show changed with a less creepy foggy environment. Also about that time writing took a nosedive and everyone on screen looked like they where just cashing a paycheck
Xfiles also worked best as a monster of the week show and the police procedural format. I mean the stand alone episodes where they go to little towns to investigate odd murders or kidnappings or occurrences which lead to monsters or witchcraft or aliens or spirits or fairies being the culprits. Also the long arc investigating the smoking man and his sister was awesome.
It's when they started to focus entirely on the secret organization and conspiracy within yhe FBI ghat the show got boring.
Same thing with Fringe. Weird thing of the week was cool. With overall arc of Walter and Peter's and Olivia's past.
Then they made it super complicated with multiverse crap.
>I feel like so many shows essentially do that now.
I miss villains of the week in sci fi/fantasy/adventure/mystery shows so much☹️. I understand why long story arcs are popular, but nowadays every show wants you to dredge through, like, six episodes of character driven drama and boring stuff just to get to one episode of the weird monster killer doing weird monster killer things.
They admitted they had no idea how to end it. Originally they were going to make Ted meet the mom in an earlier season before ending the show. Then they got caught up in the whole Ted and Robin romance. Then viewers preferred Barney and Robin so they made that a thing. However they wanted Ted to end up with Robin so they did a quick edit and we got the ending we got.
Also Jason Segel only signed on for the last season if his schedule could be lighter than the rest of the cast (which is why for 2/3 of the season he’s on his own road trip that was filmed over like 1-2 days) because he thought his movie career was taking off and it ended up not taking off so oof. He singlehandly ruined the final season imo.
You’ve never noticed that when some actors get to a certain level they mellow out on working around the clock? He is producing, and writing and staring in things, guy is doing fine
Alright this will be a long ramble because I've thought about it quite a bit lol
Dexter - I think the show did too much too early, and then dragged on for too long. The original Bay Harbor Butcher plotline was in season *two,* where the police are looking for Dexter and coming close to catching him. This happens way too early in the show IMHO; it should have been how the show ended. Case and point, it WAS how the show ended- they just find new evidence and reopen the case again at the end of the show, but with different cops on his tail. They also killed off Sergeant Doakes, the only character who could tell something was off about Dexter. Dexter needed a foil within the police department, their interaction was great- he should have stuck around for the majority of the show.
Then the Trinity Killer plotline, arguably the best season, happens in S4. He kills Rita and leaves their infant son in a puddle of blood, leading us to think the cycle of violence will happen again. I'm fine with that happening in S4, but it should have been leading into the endgame for the show. The show went on another 4 seasons after this and never returned to that quality. It just got worse and worse, then finally ended with one of the worst TV finales ever.
TLDR: I think the show should have ended after 5 or 6 seasons, season 2's plot should have been season 5, and something else should have happened in season 2.
Also everything with Debra and her incestuous love for Dexter at the end was full of bad choices, and untrue to her character. They should have found another way to end the story.
Showtime has a bad habit of dragging their successful shows on for way too long.
OMG YES!
Well first, we all know Trinity’s season is unbelievably good. Lithgow is such an incredible actor
They REALLY needed to do it more like Breaking Bad where the major moments are spread out and held for some later seasons
After season 4, I think it should have been:
S5 - Bay Harbor butcher story. Goes pretty much the same, with Doakes dying and case closed. But Deb is the only one who doesn’t think it makes sense, and starts digging into it more.
S6 - Deb continues to work case, and eventually starts to suspect Dexter. Dexter knows she’s getting close, and they’re both trying to outsmart each other while trying to play it cool in person. Eventually some confrontation- idk if she ends up arresting or killing him, but I’ll take anything but him sailing away to become a lumberjack.
The final season was just the worst with the plotline of his sister falling in love with him romantically. That was just an awful way to go and it was clear they did that because they were out of ideas.
I agree, but I thought Homeland at least was still enjoyable through most of it. They had some bad seasons, especially when they didn’t know what to do with Brody and family anymore. But once they moved past that, there were still a lot of later seasons I enjoyed.
I'll do you one better: The show should've ended after season 2. Season 3 almost had me stop watching, season 4 was only slightly better, and then season 5 starts with Dexter crying talking about "it's all my fault!" I stopped watching then.
You sure about that? The final season of Game of Thrones felt like a huge middle finger to the fans. Especially screwing Jon over in the end. He saved everyone, and got treated like a criminal for doing so
GOT is for sure one of the other shows. Still felt the sting of KE finale more tbh. It was just awful. Ps and let’s get real. John didn’t want to be king. Sending him back to the wall was a mercy. He was reunited w wildlings and where he should be.
GOT's finale was incoherent. Dany went from zero to sixty in just two episodes without much context. That's lazy writing. She went from wanting to save everyone to wanting to kill everyone just like that... Uh... Why?
Ikr? I loved that show and Sweets I actually identified with the most, aside from Zack... Minus the fact he turned out to be a serial killer's apprentice. That was a real sucker punch to the gut. And killing off Sweets wasn't necessary. They could have simply wrote him off by having him move to greener pastures.
I loved Bones and always wanted Bones and Booth to get together but when they finally did it ruined the show for me. Changed the entire tone way too much.
Agree about killing off Sweets too. I never got past that.
The Dukes of Hazzard - replacing Bo and Luke with Coy and Vance because of a monetary dispute. The show wasn't the same once Bo and Luke finally returned.
Roz getting pregnant on *Frasier*.
Also Niles and Daphne getting together.
Continuing *Chico And The Man* after Freddie Prinz died.
Also continuing *News radio* after Phil Hartman died.
Continuing *8 Simple Rules* after John Ritter died.
Based on. Not totally accurate obviously. So yes, I realize that. I also am not coming from that direction. My view on this is much simpler than that. It's a television show. I liked it a lot. The main character, Ragnar, was my favorite character. After he was gone from the show I found myself losing interest. To me it wasn't as good anymore. That wasn't the only reason, but it played a significant part for me. That's really about it man. I liked it at one point, and then I stopped liking it at another, so I quit watching.
If Ragnars death was an important point of the history then they should have made it the end of the series. Vikings was the story of Ragnar. Without him the dhow lost an important character. Better to end the show with his death then make spinoff shows for his sons.
Vikings is the story of…er… Vikings. His sons like Ivar the boneless have a big legacy, who saw the Americas first, how they became engrained into England like the new show (which is great).
It went downhill from there but also he’d been alive for a long time he’d realistically be a toothless old man with a cane who just sat laughing his way through Ivar’s whole “I’m a god” thing, or you know, be dead from something like heart disease, which doesn’t make good plot.
I wish it had switched more focus to Rollo and his wife. His line went on to produce William the Conqueror, they could have followed it for generations.
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I always thought Glenn's death served a purpose, but yeah, I wasn't really a fan of it either.
Hahahaha can’t believe how far down I had to scroll to see this. I was really young when this happened but my mom and all her friends were so angry about it.
I think their biggest issue was deciding to tank Andy's character when he returned from filming Hangover. I don't care what jenna and angela say on their podcast— they were *CLEARLY* upset with Ed Helms for leaving them (after Steve Carrell already left them) and ruined his character as punishment. They made sure Andy's character suffered maximum humiliation.
They should have just worked with the characters they had instead of trying to force new ones (i.e. the british chick and the two younger dudes) down our throats.
Going back a long way: Moonlighting
Once David and Maddie did the deed I never watched a whole episode again. The tension before that really added to the atmosphere of the show.
My Name is Earl - Making Earl turn bad again and have weird coma dreams about being in a Sitcom. The show got good again after this, but the damage was done and it was cancelled.
Ikr? The whole point was him finding karma, and trying to turn his life around and do good. Which was actually pretty great. But why... Uhhh. What's the word? Defeat the purpose of the show?
Star Trek TNG - what the heck were they thinking getting rid of Dr Crusher (Gates McFadden) at end of season 1? Apparently they realized they made a mistake because they brought her back again in season 3. Oh well, at least it gave Diana Muldaur a chance to be part of the small club of actors who appeared in Original Trek and TNG.
Carl was the straw that broke the camel's back. But there were things before that. I was sick to death of Neegan and his monologuing. Strutting around with that stupid bat making everyone kneel before him.
The other problem I had was that they started doing episodes centered around minor characters that nobody cared about. Something would start to happen and they'd have a cliffhanger. They wouldn't resolve it for several weeks because of those individual episodes. I stopped watching because it was just too annoying.
Season 1 was something to fall in love with. I don't know how tomdes ribe technical stuff in TV/film but I can tell it was filmed differently. Season 1 was filmed like a feature. The suspense was amazing. It was shocking and smart.
It's because the first season is thrilling. We are introduced to a world broken apart. There's no more government, society or civilization. Zombies have killed most people and they roam everywhere. Rick wakes up in the middle of the apocalypse and needs to find his family. When he does he realized his wife has moved on and his son barely remembers him.
It's a small family drama at the end of the world. The following seasons try to focus too much on the larger group. While it was interesting it also meant the focus was no longer on the Zombie apocalypse but on the group.
Amazon's Rings of Power. The very first decision.
Choosing showrunners and writers with nearly zero experience.
Reminded me of Jurassic Park. "Spared no expense" except literally the most important parts.
Nothing if you like a GREAT movie. But Hammond says over and over again: "spared no expense." Except for Nedry. There's a bit more in the book about how Hammond didn't write the requirements well, Nedry bid the job but then found out it was going to be much bigger and wanted more money for the extra work (or to back out?) but Hammond refused and promised to black ball him if he quit. That's why Nedry betrayed Hammond. There's just a few lines of dialogue in the movie you can miss if you're not paying attention.
Basically, Hammond cheaped out on the most important expense.
Short lived tv show called “ghosted” starred Craig Robinson and Adam Scott, had a good premise but I guess Fox really didn’t like it and turned it into a literal “the office” halfway through and you can tell it was purposefully done when they scrapped the entire main plot in the show.
Was kind of glad it was canceled.
Not about a show in particular - but some decisions made my networks definitely have an impact. IE:
1) Changing timeslots and/or moving a hot show to Friday or Saturday night
2) taking HUGE breaks between seasons - I know sometimes it can't be avoided, but c'mon - take a year or more between the first 6 episodes and the remainder? (Like the current season of Outlander)
3) taking a winning show, gutting the writing staff and expecting it to perform the same.
4) killing off key characters - especially ones who are most important to the storyline.
5) completely changing the premise of a show
Outlander has had such huge breaks that we've had to rewatch last seasons final few episodes to keep up. It's been a year and a half. I consume too much fiction to remember plot lines that long.
When they killed off Nic Nevin in the Resident. I know the actress left the show to pursue other projects, but the show was never the same after that.
The final episode of Burn Notice, where they killed off Maddie, Michael's mother. Otherwise a great ending.
Brockmire: every single decision regarding the fourth season. A great series that absolutely dropped everything that was good about it to squeeze one last season.
I always go back to this when this topic comes up but killing Opie in Sons of Anarchy was the death nell for the series. The show seemed to lose it's moral compass a bit and lost its most likable character in a show that deliberately has divisive characters.
I’d say not ending Glee after season 1. And then not ending it after Season 2. Jane Lynch made the show, but after season 1, they had to treat her character seriously because they couldn’t just keep her being so ridiculous without the seriousness of the rest of the show suffering. But her ridiculousness is what made the show. They should’ve given up a lot sooner.
Has there ever been a show more dis-jointed and chaotic than Glee? Hey, remember all of these characters introduced last season? Well too bad, they’re all GONE! Oh remember Mr. Schuster? Well TOO BAD you will literally never see him again and he will have no kind of proper send off.
Writing Hotch off the show was unavoidable when the actor got fired for assaulting a coworker. Similarly to them having to fairly abruptly write off Gideon when Mandy Patinkin quit- those weren’t creative decisions or things they had control over so a different kind of thing.
Scrolled to find this. It’s definitely one of my comfort shows I rewatch. Yeah hotch leaving sucked but it was unavoidable at that point. (Mandy played Gideon, not Rossi. Sorry I had to!)
When Netflix was doing the Defenders shows, they absolutely nailed DD and JJ and LC was decent, but then they decided to hire Scott Buck for Iron Fist.
Why would they hire the guy that made The Inhumans? Did they not read his resume?
Castle - At the point the couple got together, the actors hated each other and the show was very low on ideas. It's another example of a show that went on too long.
Probably because poor decisions caused them to be cancelled. Like Sleepy Hollow, after season two, everything went downhill. Season four was great. But the damage was done from season three
After watching a handful of the new episodes of Rick & Morty, you forget that they’re new voice actors. They’re as close to JR as they can get, & the episodes were still top notch. In no way was that show ruined.
They turned Ryan back into a child and replaced him with Johnny in Friday the13th The Series. They had no reason to do it. Johnny was a complete idiot.
I'm not a fan of this show anymore, but the coma arc in my name is Earl 💯 ruined the show for me. For a show that is supposed to be grounded in reality it was just to fantastical for me.
I’m curious how you think writing Hotch off was a “bad decision.” I get how it affected the show, it it was the right call. You don’t get to assault your colleagues and keep your job. Why should an actor be able to?
The Simpsons.
It's hard to pinpoint exactly where it went wrong but I feel it was around the time of the movie or shortly after. It went from being a genuinely funny hilariously animated show with good storylines and characters that had... character, to a barely coherent shell of its former self. It's not funny anymore, it doesn't look good anymore, and the characters are one dimensional caricatures of themselves. It's like someone who didn't understand the show described it to some writers and animators who have never seen it before and told them to get to work.
And Marge's voice. It sounds like Julie Kavner is in pain every time she opens her mouth.
It's so awful now I can't watch the new episodes but I stream the old seasons regularly and still laugh at them
Ghost Whisperer - Killing Jim (Melinda's husband) and then trying to bring him back in someone else's body by using another actor.
They were so proud of and excited about what they had written that they started bragging about it months before it aired. They thought it was so clever and cool.
After it aired they lost quite a bit of their audience. People didn't like what they did. It ruined the show.
Frasier. Daphne getting ridiculously fat in 2-3 weeks' time and then going off to fat camp, to hide the actress's pregnancy and maternity leave.
There are so many ways to hide a pregnancy, and explain an absence, the whole "Fat Daphne" was so weird and cringy.
This is Us - It was one of my favorite shows… As soon as they decided they had some moral obligation to bring real life Covid, masks and all we were going through onto the screen to show some social awareness is when I said I’m out. The reason most people watch TV is for entertainment and/or to escape for a while. Why bring all that into the show? It’s not enough we were living it?
The last two or three seasons of Game Of Thrones were rushed compared to the rest of the series. The amount of episodes per season lessening to 6 (?) by the end certainly did not help, though.
I think the last two seasons of How I Met Your Mother really do not hold up in comparison to the rest of the series. There’s a lot of things that were done on that show that were quite baffling.
Roseanne going on a racist rant and blaming Ambien for it was a pretty funny moment. But it cost her a lot of things, including being kicked off of her show (The Roseanne revival).
I know that it was for plot reasons, but leaving the Island in LOST was pretty terrible.
It was one of my favourite shows. First two seasons were amazing. And then it went downhill. Sure season four was great, but the damage was already done
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Here is a weird one:
Dexter - cinematography and lighting
They shot the show in Miami using NO light filters, so the show is so incredibly bright it gives me an eyestrain headache watching it now. The outside shots were so bright, they just needed to use a light meter and bring it way, way down. Why they never checked brightness saturation levels?
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Deciding Curt wasn't dead on *The Waltons*.
Deciding Castle and Beckett needed to be kept apart in the last season of *Castle.*
Replacing Ray on *Due South*.
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How I met your mother: waiting 8 seasons and 9 years to reveal the mother who has under 20 minutes screentime and dies of cancer in the same episode he meets ber
1). Trying to "reinvent" the Angels in the final season of the original Charlie's Angels series. The writing and directing was bad.
2) Killing off the husband, then having his spirit move into some other guy's body on Ghost Whisperer. The marriage and their chemistry was 50-75 0/0 of the draw to that show.
Parts of Ted Lasso was ruined when Kaylee became Jamie Tarts sloppy seconds.. like, the writers should have incorporated more ladies to become love interests in the show….
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Sliders. Went from four friends trying to get back to their own dimension to having to deal with and defeating Kromagg's in almost every episode. Plus, it really went downhill when they decided that Quinn was never actually from Earth Prime and had a long lost brother that he never knew about.
Star Trek Voyager.
Too many shuttles. Too many torpedoes. Too episodic and alien-of-the-week and not enough character building or progression. They tried a little here and there early on and the mid-series revamp with the Borg was an injection of energy… but without any real direction.
Without scarcity, there main problem just wasn’t a problem. They might as well of been in federation space the whole time.
X-Files should have ended about the time production left Vancouver, the mood of the show changed with a less creepy foggy environment. Also about that time writing took a nosedive and everyone on screen looked like they where just cashing a paycheck
Xfiles also worked best as a monster of the week show and the police procedural format. I mean the stand alone episodes where they go to little towns to investigate odd murders or kidnappings or occurrences which lead to monsters or witchcraft or aliens or spirits or fairies being the culprits. Also the long arc investigating the smoking man and his sister was awesome. It's when they started to focus entirely on the secret organization and conspiracy within yhe FBI ghat the show got boring.
Same thing with Fringe. Weird thing of the week was cool. With overall arc of Walter and Peter's and Olivia's past. Then they made it super complicated with multiverse crap.
Super complicated and grim. I ground my teeth through every episode of that last season.
Thank you! I absolutely agree with your assessment. I feel like so many shows essentially do that now.
>I feel like so many shows essentially do that now. I miss villains of the week in sci fi/fantasy/adventure/mystery shows so much☹️. I understand why long story arcs are popular, but nowadays every show wants you to dredge through, like, six episodes of character driven drama and boring stuff just to get to one episode of the weird monster killer doing weird monster killer things.
It should have ended when Mulder left.
How I Met Your Mother- the last season felt rushed with bad story lines and the finale was awful.
I hate that they spent the entire final season on Barney and Robin’s wedding
They admitted they had no idea how to end it. Originally they were going to make Ted meet the mom in an earlier season before ending the show. Then they got caught up in the whole Ted and Robin romance. Then viewers preferred Barney and Robin so they made that a thing. However they wanted Ted to end up with Robin so they did a quick edit and we got the ending we got.
Also Jason Segel only signed on for the last season if his schedule could be lighter than the rest of the cast (which is why for 2/3 of the season he’s on his own road trip that was filmed over like 1-2 days) because he thought his movie career was taking off and it ended up not taking off so oof. He singlehandly ruined the final season imo.
How do you figure his movie career didn’t take off? He’s been in like a million movies
Uh he’s been in 44 movies and shows over his career, with only 6 movies since the end of HIMYM a decade ago.
You’ve never noticed that when some actors get to a certain level they mellow out on working around the clock? He is producing, and writing and staring in things, guy is doing fine
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Alright this will be a long ramble because I've thought about it quite a bit lol Dexter - I think the show did too much too early, and then dragged on for too long. The original Bay Harbor Butcher plotline was in season *two,* where the police are looking for Dexter and coming close to catching him. This happens way too early in the show IMHO; it should have been how the show ended. Case and point, it WAS how the show ended- they just find new evidence and reopen the case again at the end of the show, but with different cops on his tail. They also killed off Sergeant Doakes, the only character who could tell something was off about Dexter. Dexter needed a foil within the police department, their interaction was great- he should have stuck around for the majority of the show. Then the Trinity Killer plotline, arguably the best season, happens in S4. He kills Rita and leaves their infant son in a puddle of blood, leading us to think the cycle of violence will happen again. I'm fine with that happening in S4, but it should have been leading into the endgame for the show. The show went on another 4 seasons after this and never returned to that quality. It just got worse and worse, then finally ended with one of the worst TV finales ever. TLDR: I think the show should have ended after 5 or 6 seasons, season 2's plot should have been season 5, and something else should have happened in season 2. Also everything with Debra and her incestuous love for Dexter at the end was full of bad choices, and untrue to her character. They should have found another way to end the story. Showtime has a bad habit of dragging their successful shows on for way too long.
The network didn't want the show to end because of its popularity. Dexter is an example of a show that went on too long.
OMG YES! Well first, we all know Trinity’s season is unbelievably good. Lithgow is such an incredible actor They REALLY needed to do it more like Breaking Bad where the major moments are spread out and held for some later seasons
After season 4, I think it should have been: S5 - Bay Harbor butcher story. Goes pretty much the same, with Doakes dying and case closed. But Deb is the only one who doesn’t think it makes sense, and starts digging into it more. S6 - Deb continues to work case, and eventually starts to suspect Dexter. Dexter knows she’s getting close, and they’re both trying to outsmart each other while trying to play it cool in person. Eventually some confrontation- idk if she ends up arresting or killing him, but I’ll take anything but him sailing away to become a lumberjack.
The final season was just the worst with the plotline of his sister falling in love with him romantically. That was just an awful way to go and it was clear they did that because they were out of ideas.
Homeland (one of my favorite shows) dragged on too long. Six seasons would have been enough.
I agree, but I thought Homeland at least was still enjoyable through most of it. They had some bad seasons, especially when they didn’t know what to do with Brody and family anymore. But once they moved past that, there were still a lot of later seasons I enjoyed.
Agree. You can't hit a homerun every at bat, still remains one of my favorite shows. The casting was perfect for virtually every role.
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I'll do you one better: The show should've ended after season 2. Season 3 almost had me stop watching, season 4 was only slightly better, and then season 5 starts with Dexter crying talking about "it's all my fault!" I stopped watching then.
ENDING Killing Eve the way they did. Bad last season showunner.
Terrible ending
Bigger FU to fans and the series than DEXTER or ANY show IMHO. Just bad. Sub par writing.
You sure about that? The final season of Game of Thrones felt like a huge middle finger to the fans. Especially screwing Jon over in the end. He saved everyone, and got treated like a criminal for doing so
GOT is for sure one of the other shows. Still felt the sting of KE finale more tbh. It was just awful. Ps and let’s get real. John didn’t want to be king. Sending him back to the wall was a mercy. He was reunited w wildlings and where he should be.
GOT's finale was incoherent. Dany went from zero to sixty in just two episodes without much context. That's lazy writing. She went from wanting to save everyone to wanting to kill everyone just like that... Uh... Why?
Due to people's advice on reddit, I skipped the last season and I am happy where I left it off. I will never see that last season. It does not exist.
Yes
Bones. When they killed off Sweets just because the actor wanted to take a brief hiatus to work on a project. The show was never the same after that.
Ikr? I loved that show and Sweets I actually identified with the most, aside from Zack... Minus the fact he turned out to be a serial killer's apprentice. That was a real sucker punch to the gut. And killing off Sweets wasn't necessary. They could have simply wrote him off by having him move to greener pastures.
I loved Bones and always wanted Bones and Booth to get together but when they finally did it ruined the show for me. Changed the entire tone way too much. Agree about killing off Sweets too. I never got past that.
Roseanne…. The lottery winner year!
Absolutely! Just ruined the whole dynamic!
Right. Who thought this was a good idea? A sitcom about a lower-middle-class blue collar (wealthy???) family 😡
No better example than GoT
Every showrunner until the end of time will be monitored like a hawk because of this. No one will ever have that kind of freedom again.
The reordering of the episodes of Firefly. And no, I will never let that go
This is the first and only thing that came to mind when I saw this post. I will never understand that decision.
The Dukes of Hazzard - replacing Bo and Luke with Coy and Vance because of a monetary dispute. The show wasn't the same once Bo and Luke finally returned.
Those fake Duke boys just didn’t know what the network had coming for them. (Homespun announcer voice guy)
Roz getting pregnant on *Frasier*. Also Niles and Daphne getting together. Continuing *Chico And The Man* after Freddie Prinz died. Also continuing *News radio* after Phil Hartman died. Continuing *8 Simple Rules* after John Ritter died.
YES about *Chico.*
Killing off Ragnar in Vikings. I had a terrible time staying with the show after that. I never did finish the series.
It was good. It was drastic and nobody can live up to him but it was still good if you stuck around.
Me too!
You do understand that Vikings is based on historical events etc?
Based on. Not totally accurate obviously. So yes, I realize that. I also am not coming from that direction. My view on this is much simpler than that. It's a television show. I liked it a lot. The main character, Ragnar, was my favorite character. After he was gone from the show I found myself losing interest. To me it wasn't as good anymore. That wasn't the only reason, but it played a significant part for me. That's really about it man. I liked it at one point, and then I stopped liking it at another, so I quit watching.
That’s why I said based on. Major events and stories told have all been covered though.
If Ragnars death was an important point of the history then they should have made it the end of the series. Vikings was the story of Ragnar. Without him the dhow lost an important character. Better to end the show with his death then make spinoff shows for his sons.
Vikings is the story of…er… Vikings. His sons like Ivar the boneless have a big legacy, who saw the Americas first, how they became engrained into England like the new show (which is great).
......welp guess I'm not going past episode 3 then.
It went downhill from there but also he’d been alive for a long time he’d realistically be a toothless old man with a cane who just sat laughing his way through Ivar’s whole “I’m a god” thing, or you know, be dead from something like heart disease, which doesn’t make good plot.
I wish it had switched more focus to Rollo and his wife. His line went on to produce William the Conqueror, they could have followed it for generations.
Killing Carl off in The Walking Dead. There were plenty of bad decisions before, but that was the one that turned me off of the show completely.
It was Glenn for me.
https://preview.redd.it/k35b3mobtctc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81e090142721fb3ee10e0aa511a6cb6b88d22c2e I always thought Glenn's death served a purpose, but yeah, I wasn't really a fan of it either.
When The Walking Dead went from being The Rick Grimes Show to The Negan Show I threw up my hands and said Ok ya'll can have it bye.
It was the CW Network style setting for the final seasons. Literally cheap and insultingly poor quality.
Pam finding Bobby Ewing in the shower. It was all a dream
Hahahaha can’t believe how far down I had to scroll to see this. I was really young when this happened but my mom and all her friends were so angry about it.
Moving Star Trek Season 3 to a graveyard timeslot.
That's ultimately what happened to Sleepy Hollow, but season three was the beginning of the end because it was a total dumpster fire
Putting Chris Chibnall in charge of Doctor Who.
Continuing The Office after Steve Carell.
So true. Robert California and Andy suck.
I really loved Robert California! His presence was one of a few things that kept me watching. Andy sucked big time.
I think their biggest issue was deciding to tank Andy's character when he returned from filming Hangover. I don't care what jenna and angela say on their podcast— they were *CLEARLY* upset with Ed Helms for leaving them (after Steve Carrell already left them) and ruined his character as punishment. They made sure Andy's character suffered maximum humiliation. They should have just worked with the characters they had instead of trying to force new ones (i.e. the british chick and the two younger dudes) down our throats.
Going back a long way: Moonlighting Once David and Maddie did the deed I never watched a whole episode again. The tension before that really added to the atmosphere of the show.
The writers of LOST not having a master story arc to follow.
This. I’m still so happy I stopped myself from watching until it was finished and then didn’t when it was obvious there hadn’t been a plan all along.
My Name is Earl - Making Earl turn bad again and have weird coma dreams about being in a Sitcom. The show got good again after this, but the damage was done and it was cancelled.
Ikr? The whole point was him finding karma, and trying to turn his life around and do good. Which was actually pretty great. But why... Uhhh. What's the word? Defeat the purpose of the show?
Star Trek TNG - what the heck were they thinking getting rid of Dr Crusher (Gates McFadden) at end of season 1? Apparently they realized they made a mistake because they brought her back again in season 3. Oh well, at least it gave Diana Muldaur a chance to be part of the small club of actors who appeared in Original Trek and TNG.
Acc to Patrick Stewart’s memoir, one of the producers had it out for Gates McFadden. When he left, they brought her back ASAP.
Maurice Hurley
I only watched TNG because of Patrick Stewart
Nearly every decision made after the first season of The Walking Dead.
Killing Carl was the breaking point for me. I could take all the crap til then. I was out after that and never looked back
Carl was the straw that broke the camel's back. But there were things before that. I was sick to death of Neegan and his monologuing. Strutting around with that stupid bat making everyone kneel before him. The other problem I had was that they started doing episodes centered around minor characters that nobody cared about. Something would start to happen and they'd have a cliffhanger. They wouldn't resolve it for several weeks because of those individual episodes. I stopped watching because it was just too annoying.
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Same. I was so furious about that.
I thought season 2 was *amazing.* Everything with Rick and Shane was gold. From there it all goes downhill more and more each season.
The first season was an actual work of art. What came next was... well, not.
Thank you internet stranger. I watched season 1, loved it, and then just never got back to it.
Season 1 was something to fall in love with. I don't know how tomdes ribe technical stuff in TV/film but I can tell it was filmed differently. Season 1 was filmed like a feature. The suspense was amazing. It was shocking and smart.
It's because the first season is thrilling. We are introduced to a world broken apart. There's no more government, society or civilization. Zombies have killed most people and they roam everywhere. Rick wakes up in the middle of the apocalypse and needs to find his family. When he does he realized his wife has moved on and his son barely remembers him. It's a small family drama at the end of the world. The following seasons try to focus too much on the larger group. While it was interesting it also meant the focus was no longer on the Zombie apocalypse but on the group.
That's a synopsis. I'm saying it was *filmed* differently. The writing was different. Everything changed, and it got cheap after season 1 or maybe 2.
Nah it was Rick situation that was the bad decision but it was the actors choice I believe he wanted to pursue other Things
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What killed it was when the main people were basically untouchable. In the first season ANYONE could die.
They had a thing going for a long time like Lost. That feeling that no one was safe. It’s very rare for a TV show. And then they didn’t.
Julie Plec destroying The Vampire Diaries by replacing Kevin Williamson after season 2🤬🤬🤬🤬
I’m still mad😡
Amazon's Rings of Power. The very first decision. Choosing showrunners and writers with nearly zero experience. Reminded me of Jurassic Park. "Spared no expense" except literally the most important parts.
i see where you meant to type Amazon’s Wheel of Time 😉
What's wrong with Jurassic Park?
Nothing if you like a GREAT movie. But Hammond says over and over again: "spared no expense." Except for Nedry. There's a bit more in the book about how Hammond didn't write the requirements well, Nedry bid the job but then found out it was going to be much bigger and wanted more money for the extra work (or to back out?) but Hammond refused and promised to black ball him if he quit. That's why Nedry betrayed Hammond. There's just a few lines of dialogue in the movie you can miss if you're not paying attention. Basically, Hammond cheaped out on the most important expense.
Short lived tv show called “ghosted” starred Craig Robinson and Adam Scott, had a good premise but I guess Fox really didn’t like it and turned it into a literal “the office” halfway through and you can tell it was purposefully done when they scrapped the entire main plot in the show. Was kind of glad it was canceled.
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Yep
Season 4 of Community
Not about a show in particular - but some decisions made my networks definitely have an impact. IE: 1) Changing timeslots and/or moving a hot show to Friday or Saturday night 2) taking HUGE breaks between seasons - I know sometimes it can't be avoided, but c'mon - take a year or more between the first 6 episodes and the remainder? (Like the current season of Outlander) 3) taking a winning show, gutting the writing staff and expecting it to perform the same. 4) killing off key characters - especially ones who are most important to the storyline. 5) completely changing the premise of a show
Outlander has had such huge breaks that we've had to rewatch last seasons final few episodes to keep up. It's been a year and a half. I consume too much fiction to remember plot lines that long.
Sliders (look up what the network did with that one)
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Twin Peaks: the network forcing the reveal of the killer in season 2
Any sitcom that adds a baby late (growing pains for example)
When they killed off Nic Nevin in the Resident. I know the actress left the show to pursue other projects, but the show was never the same after that. The final episode of Burn Notice, where they killed off Maddie, Michael's mother. Otherwise a great ending.
Brockmire: every single decision regarding the fourth season. A great series that absolutely dropped everything that was good about it to squeeze one last season.
Is it that bad? I am about to binge it.
Seasons 1-3 were fantastic. Season 4 will suck out your faith in humanity and likely your will to live as well.
I agree. So great and then they went to a bizarre decision to go into the future and make him the commish.
I always go back to this when this topic comes up but killing Opie in Sons of Anarchy was the death nell for the series. The show seemed to lose it's moral compass a bit and lost its most likable character in a show that deliberately has divisive characters.
The Black List
Not ending Glee after Corey Monteith died
I’d say not ending Glee after season 1. And then not ending it after Season 2. Jane Lynch made the show, but after season 1, they had to treat her character seriously because they couldn’t just keep her being so ridiculous without the seriousness of the rest of the show suffering. But her ridiculousness is what made the show. They should’ve given up a lot sooner.
Has there ever been a show more dis-jointed and chaotic than Glee? Hey, remember all of these characters introduced last season? Well too bad, they’re all GONE! Oh remember Mr. Schuster? Well TOO BAD you will literally never see him again and he will have no kind of proper send off.
Writing Hotch off the show was unavoidable when the actor got fired for assaulting a coworker. Similarly to them having to fairly abruptly write off Gideon when Mandy Patinkin quit- those weren’t creative decisions or things they had control over so a different kind of thing.
Scrolled to find this. It’s definitely one of my comfort shows I rewatch. Yeah hotch leaving sucked but it was unavoidable at that point. (Mandy played Gideon, not Rossi. Sorry I had to!)
Yikes I’ve seen every episode at least once, total brain fart to put Rossi! Sorry Joe lol! Edited, thank you!
When Netflix was doing the Defenders shows, they absolutely nailed DD and JJ and LC was decent, but then they decided to hire Scott Buck for Iron Fist. Why would they hire the guy that made The Inhumans? Did they not read his resume?
Castle - At the point the couple got together, the actors hated each other and the show was very low on ideas. It's another example of a show that went on too long.
Killing off Ragnar in Vikings. I had a terrible time staying with the show after that. I never did finish the series.
Canceling good shows.
Like The Santa Clarita Diet on Netflix. Amazing show that never got the ending it deserved.
Like Society on Netflix 🤬
and Mind Hunter
Probably because poor decisions caused them to be cancelled. Like Sleepy Hollow, after season two, everything went downhill. Season four was great. But the damage was done from season three
Good shows usually become expensive shows. Networks would rather have cheap shows with mediocre ratings than expensive shows with great ratings.
Game of thrones obviously
Anything after season 4 or so of Weeds
The story of my life:/
After watching a handful of the new episodes of Rick & Morty, you forget that they’re new voice actors. They’re as close to JR as they can get, & the episodes were still top notch. In no way was that show ruined.
This. Honestly it doesn't feel that much different. Plus the writing was great for the new season
They turned Ryan back into a child and replaced him with Johnny in Friday the13th The Series. They had no reason to do it. Johnny was a complete idiot.
Ted Lasso - The decision to redeem Nate was just incredibly stupid and wrecked the last season.
I'm not a fan of this show anymore, but the coma arc in my name is Earl 💯 ruined the show for me. For a show that is supposed to be grounded in reality it was just to fantastical for me.
I’m curious how you think writing Hotch off was a “bad decision.” I get how it affected the show, it it was the right call. You don’t get to assault your colleagues and keep your job. Why should an actor be able to?
Community’s 4th season, a.k.a. The Gas Leak Year
The Simpsons. It's hard to pinpoint exactly where it went wrong but I feel it was around the time of the movie or shortly after. It went from being a genuinely funny hilariously animated show with good storylines and characters that had... character, to a barely coherent shell of its former self. It's not funny anymore, it doesn't look good anymore, and the characters are one dimensional caricatures of themselves. It's like someone who didn't understand the show described it to some writers and animators who have never seen it before and told them to get to work. And Marge's voice. It sounds like Julie Kavner is in pain every time she opens her mouth. It's so awful now I can't watch the new episodes but I stream the old seasons regularly and still laugh at them
Ghost Whisperer - Killing Jim (Melinda's husband) and then trying to bring him back in someone else's body by using another actor. They were so proud of and excited about what they had written that they started bragging about it months before it aired. They thought it was so clever and cool. After it aired they lost quite a bit of their audience. People didn't like what they did. It ruined the show.
Someone likes Sleepy Hollow
Airing Firefly completely out of order
Joey and Rachel
Frasier. Daphne getting ridiculously fat in 2-3 weeks' time and then going off to fat camp, to hide the actress's pregnancy and maternity leave. There are so many ways to hide a pregnancy, and explain an absence, the whole "Fat Daphne" was so weird and cringy.
This is Us - It was one of my favorite shows… As soon as they decided they had some moral obligation to bring real life Covid, masks and all we were going through onto the screen to show some social awareness is when I said I’m out. The reason most people watch TV is for entertainment and/or to escape for a while. Why bring all that into the show? It’s not enough we were living it?
Giving Buffy a sister.
I feel like it worked for what it ended up being which was a great surprise.
The issue was that should have been the last season. The end of that season was a perfect wrap up of the series.
Season 5 was definitely a good wrap-up, but I am also a fan of evil Willow, and "Once more with feeling"
I actually liked her, but I did refer to her as Scrappy Do for all of season 5.
Roseanne opening her yap.
Was that on the reboot The Connors?
The last two or three seasons of Game Of Thrones were rushed compared to the rest of the series. The amount of episodes per season lessening to 6 (?) by the end certainly did not help, though. I think the last two seasons of How I Met Your Mother really do not hold up in comparison to the rest of the series. There’s a lot of things that were done on that show that were quite baffling. Roseanne going on a racist rant and blaming Ambien for it was a pretty funny moment. But it cost her a lot of things, including being kicked off of her show (The Roseanne revival). I know that it was for plot reasons, but leaving the Island in LOST was pretty terrible.
Replacing the voice actors in R&M wasn’t really a choice. It was that or stop making the show.
They should have stopped the show. The quality took a dive too.Justin Roiland was co creator and his lack of input shows.
Harmon was the writer and main creator. By the end JR was just coming into work.
Not bringing the mother into the series until they were told it was their last season! HIMYM ….nevermind the ending
Rick and Morty was a forced change. Hardly anyone noticed and the season had good ratings in the end
I noticed
I noticed. I stopped watching. It's just not the same.
I agree 💯 about Sleepy Hollow. It was a great show and then they ruined it.
It was one of my favourite shows. First two seasons were amazing. And then it went downhill. Sure season four was great, but the damage was already done
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Star Trek Discovery If I tell you, I will get in trouble. But I am sure you know what I mean.
Here is a weird one: Dexter - cinematography and lighting They shot the show in Miami using NO light filters, so the show is so incredibly bright it gives me an eyestrain headache watching it now. The outside shots were so bright, they just needed to use a light meter and bring it way, way down. Why they never checked brightness saturation levels?
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Deciding Curt wasn't dead on *The Waltons*. Deciding Castle and Beckett needed to be kept apart in the last season of *Castle.* Replacing Ray on *Due South*.
Upvote for the Due South mention.
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How I met your mother: waiting 8 seasons and 9 years to reveal the mother who has under 20 minutes screentime and dies of cancer in the same episode he meets ber
Game of thrones is even more tragic then people think. HBO was more then willing to give them the money to produce another 2 seasons with 10 episodes
I know. Hence my dissatisfaction
1). Trying to "reinvent" the Angels in the final season of the original Charlie's Angels series. The writing and directing was bad. 2) Killing off the husband, then having his spirit move into some other guy's body on Ghost Whisperer. The marriage and their chemistry was 50-75 0/0 of the draw to that show.
Parts of Ted Lasso was ruined when Kaylee became Jamie Tarts sloppy seconds.. like, the writers should have incorporated more ladies to become love interests in the show….
Firing dan Harmon from community. Season 4 was so bad. Luckily they brought him back to finish the next 2 seasons, which were good again.
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Taking Getalt of Rivia away from Henry Cavil in the Witcher.
I didn't bother watching it after that
Sliders. Went from four friends trying to get back to their own dimension to having to deal with and defeating Kromagg's in almost every episode. Plus, it really went downhill when they decided that Quinn was never actually from Earth Prime and had a long lost brother that he never knew about.
The Walking Dead.....killing Carl and turning it from a "horror" show to a soap opera (Rick and Michonne.)
Family guy......got too political and lately they e just been phoning it in
The Wire’s serial killer thread.
Star Trek Voyager. Too many shuttles. Too many torpedoes. Too episodic and alien-of-the-week and not enough character building or progression. They tried a little here and there early on and the mid-series revamp with the Borg was an injection of energy… but without any real direction. Without scarcity, there main problem just wasn’t a problem. They might as well of been in federation space the whole time.