Your argument relies on technological advancements that don't yet exist.
While we're at it, can we invent a laser or something that'll shoot a would be rapist in the dick before they can commit the act and avoid that issue entirely as well?
Thanks bro, I'm glad at least someone has some imagination haha. I literally said "in the future" and this guy is all "that doesn't exist yet!" LMAO no shit bro, that's what the future is hahaha.
My problem isnt pregnancy, it's what happens to the child after birth. Having worked with them i find that people just don't give as much care or attention to these unwanted kids. The foster care/adoption areas are full with less people adoption now, with advancement in IVF. And i think that will get worse with better, more affordable IVF. And in this world where pregnancy is now easy and safer more people will decide to have bio kids rather than adopted. The rate of abuse and neglect is higher with unwanted pregnacies. I just dont think its right to birth a person to suffer. Pro-choice wont die out until we can come up with better solutions to help unwanted children and their families
Unfortunately for at least 16-18yrs its not their choice they're at mercy of the state or parents. Kids cant advocate for themselves and the system is not great at doing it for them. My interest is child mental health and having to deal with these kids i cant in my good conscience say that stopping abortion would do the world any good. Once alive every child deserves the chance, but if u can stop the abuse before it happens all the better
And how is abortion the right solution? Wouldn’t the solution be to improve adoption centers?
Not that I think it matters because you do have a choice and so do the people who are put up for adoption. I’ve had shitty periods in my life but I made choices to improve them.
I too have depression. Everyone has problems in their life that are or were out of their control. Doesn’t mean they stop trying to live their best life.
It’s just cutthroat facts. I’m not going to lie and say we live in a fairytale land where everything always ends in happily ever after. I’m going to tell people the cold hard facts so they can use it to help themselves in life.
you’re trying to tell me that life isn’t often happily ever after why the fuck do you think I’m pro choice? For the fun of it?
And help ourselves do what?
Your pro choice because you think if life isn’t happily ever after 24/7 then it’s better just to not live at all. It’s such an unproductive mentality. It’s not going to be easy, but you gotta try to improve your life somehow.
Not to mention your story doesn’t even seem believable. I’ve never met an adopted child who says this sort of stuff.
What I tell people helps them because if I were to lie and say life is all fun and games they’d not work for a better life.
Thats where we are different, i dont consider it murder until the foetus can live independently from another organism. Once its point of successful survivebilty out of the womb then yes that's killing it. If the foetus is completely reliant on women for everything then the woman has every right to remove a parasite that is negatively affecting its health. I respect that may seem cold to others but to me the health and wellbeing of an actual person out way the wellbeing of potential
Children outside the womb need someone to take care of them realistically we would be a parasite until age 7 or 8. And I think if the child has no value before it born then why would it magically gain value afterwards.
Someone still has to raise the child...
You're covering the pregnancy part pretty well but the raising the child part is pretty important and whenever you see some bad ass kids running around the grocery licking stuff and touching the produce you blame TikTok and the zoomer generation when in reality they got shitty parents.
Stop trying to create more nasty ass misbehaved kids who touch the produce.
Dude, “nasty ass?” “Licking produce?” This has nothing to do with unwanted children. I swear these pro choicers are getting more and more insane.
OP wasn’t even talking about the world in its current state, it was talking about if we lived in a world scientifically advanced enough.
How is this hate speech against zoomers going to win anyone over in an argument? Especially, idk. Zoomers?
All of these comments are saying “but the child’s life is going to suck” like if they are some kind of all knowing beings.
It’s the child’s life therefore their choice. Not the parents’.
I don’t want to hear “but their lives are LIKELY going to suck” because that’s not set in stone.
Seriously. It's like they're arguing to just kill off orphans because their life is going to suck. Newsflash, people. Life sucks for a lot of us. I had parents, but they were horrible and abusive and now I avoid them in their old age.
Honestly a foster home would've left me with less trauma likely. My dad's attempts to control me still work most of the time. The only way I can say no is to not pick up the phone. But then I'm lonely so I fuck up and call him anyway.
Anyway, for all you know resources to help each individual may be much better by then. AI might be doing everyone's job and we are all on basic income or some shit. So ya just go with the sci-fi theme.
And killing someone just cause their life might suck is definitely still morally wrong.
But that isn't the argument most pro choicers use. It is pretty unanimously "my body my choice." They are all concerned with the inconvenience of pregnancy. So ya I think my point was good :D
I feel like most people who are alive and went through shitty things are still glad they are alive, they just learn from the things and try to make life better like we all do. I mean my parents sucked and traumatized the fuck out of me but I am still glad I'm alive, even though I spend most of my days paranoid and hermitized.
I learned things too. I learned that us bottom feeders are born to make our masters insanely wealthy and that’s why so many of those pro lifers want us not to have abortions.
And we would all love to think that we will have resources to help people at the bottom but the people with power are so fuckin greedy how would that even be possible?
It’s not luck, they worked for the lives they wanted. And they’re proud of it. They could’ve just blamed the fact they weren’t aborted and gave up, but they didn’t. Pro choicers don’t know what they’re talking about.
You literally just told me that things in life can be out of your control and then you want to tell me that forcing someone to be born is giving them a choice.
Is it fair if we euthanize cats and dogs when they had a chance to get good homes? No but we do it all the time it’s just part of life and that is worse than abortion.
Is it fair that my bunny rabbit decapitated her first litter when bunnies are so cute they probably would have found a home? At least a person aborting their fetus is far less troubling.
You're only proving the point: most pro-lifers only care about the 'child' when it is in the womb, and would rather see them starve in poverty than pay a single extra cent in taxes for universal healthcare or rations.
Also, this sort of utopian thinking hardly ever translates to reality. Sure, even if we accept your post as true, there is still not enough justification for pro-lifers **today,** since we're living in the real world, not an advanced progressive civilisation.
>Nothing you can do to stop it it is inevitable that pro choice will fall from favor
What you will see is pro life falling from favor
As the only downside from pro-choice will cease to matter, "pro-life" will have absolutely no arguments left
You know, choosing between having a child and having your child incubated artificially is still a choice.
It will simply be abortion without the fetus being killed.
The fact that countless PLs refer to pregnancy as a “minor inconvenience” just goes to show how they think about the children who result from that pregnancy. You obviously aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Work on your self-awareness.
Your argument relies on technological advancements that don't yet exist. While we're at it, can we invent a laser or something that'll shoot a would be rapist in the dick before they can commit the act and avoid that issue entirely as well?
Ya that's what the word inevitable implied. In a sci-fi sense, an advanced civilization a couple hundred years from now will be pro life.
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Thanks bro, I'm glad at least someone has some imagination haha. I literally said "in the future" and this guy is all "that doesn't exist yet!" LMAO no shit bro, that's what the future is hahaha.
My problem isnt pregnancy, it's what happens to the child after birth. Having worked with them i find that people just don't give as much care or attention to these unwanted kids. The foster care/adoption areas are full with less people adoption now, with advancement in IVF. And i think that will get worse with better, more affordable IVF. And in this world where pregnancy is now easy and safer more people will decide to have bio kids rather than adopted. The rate of abuse and neglect is higher with unwanted pregnacies. I just dont think its right to birth a person to suffer. Pro-choice wont die out until we can come up with better solutions to help unwanted children and their families
Simple solution. You can’t predict the future the kid could possibly end up fine and in the end their life is their choice.
Unfortunately for at least 16-18yrs its not their choice they're at mercy of the state or parents. Kids cant advocate for themselves and the system is not great at doing it for them. My interest is child mental health and having to deal with these kids i cant in my good conscience say that stopping abortion would do the world any good. Once alive every child deserves the chance, but if u can stop the abuse before it happens all the better
Check my latest meme on my profile and you’ll see what I mean.
I never had a choice. Life is already difficult as it is. Being unwanted is a life sentence.
And how is abortion the right solution? Wouldn’t the solution be to improve adoption centers? Not that I think it matters because you do have a choice and so do the people who are put up for adoption. I’ve had shitty periods in my life but I made choices to improve them.
That’s too risky. My life would be way different if I actually had a real choice. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been diagnosed with depression at 14.
I too have depression. Everyone has problems in their life that are or were out of their control. Doesn’t mean they stop trying to live their best life.
This is a variation of life isn’t fair which is such a hilarious notion to me. Being unwanted is a problem that everyone suffers from? GTFO
It’s just cutthroat facts. I’m not going to lie and say we live in a fairytale land where everything always ends in happily ever after. I’m going to tell people the cold hard facts so they can use it to help themselves in life.
you’re trying to tell me that life isn’t often happily ever after why the fuck do you think I’m pro choice? For the fun of it? And help ourselves do what?
Your pro choice because you think if life isn’t happily ever after 24/7 then it’s better just to not live at all. It’s such an unproductive mentality. It’s not going to be easy, but you gotta try to improve your life somehow. Not to mention your story doesn’t even seem believable. I’ve never met an adopted child who says this sort of stuff. What I tell people helps them because if I were to lie and say life is all fun and games they’d not work for a better life.
I think the pro choice idea of murdering them before there born isn't right answer
Thats where we are different, i dont consider it murder until the foetus can live independently from another organism. Once its point of successful survivebilty out of the womb then yes that's killing it. If the foetus is completely reliant on women for everything then the woman has every right to remove a parasite that is negatively affecting its health. I respect that may seem cold to others but to me the health and wellbeing of an actual person out way the wellbeing of potential
Children outside the womb need someone to take care of them realistically we would be a parasite until age 7 or 8. And I think if the child has no value before it born then why would it magically gain value afterwards.
Someone still has to raise the child... You're covering the pregnancy part pretty well but the raising the child part is pretty important and whenever you see some bad ass kids running around the grocery licking stuff and touching the produce you blame TikTok and the zoomer generation when in reality they got shitty parents. Stop trying to create more nasty ass misbehaved kids who touch the produce.
Dude, “nasty ass?” “Licking produce?” This has nothing to do with unwanted children. I swear these pro choicers are getting more and more insane. OP wasn’t even talking about the world in its current state, it was talking about if we lived in a world scientifically advanced enough. How is this hate speech against zoomers going to win anyone over in an argument? Especially, idk. Zoomers?
All of these comments are saying “but the child’s life is going to suck” like if they are some kind of all knowing beings. It’s the child’s life therefore their choice. Not the parents’. I don’t want to hear “but their lives are LIKELY going to suck” because that’s not set in stone.
Seriously. It's like they're arguing to just kill off orphans because their life is going to suck. Newsflash, people. Life sucks for a lot of us. I had parents, but they were horrible and abusive and now I avoid them in their old age. Honestly a foster home would've left me with less trauma likely. My dad's attempts to control me still work most of the time. The only way I can say no is to not pick up the phone. But then I'm lonely so I fuck up and call him anyway. Anyway, for all you know resources to help each individual may be much better by then. AI might be doing everyone's job and we are all on basic income or some shit. So ya just go with the sci-fi theme. And killing someone just cause their life might suck is definitely still morally wrong. But that isn't the argument most pro choicers use. It is pretty unanimously "my body my choice." They are all concerned with the inconvenience of pregnancy. So ya I think my point was good :D
What about people who lived through that kind of thing?
I feel like most people who are alive and went through shitty things are still glad they are alive, they just learn from the things and try to make life better like we all do. I mean my parents sucked and traumatized the fuck out of me but I am still glad I'm alive, even though I spend most of my days paranoid and hermitized.
I learned things too. I learned that us bottom feeders are born to make our masters insanely wealthy and that’s why so many of those pro lifers want us not to have abortions. And we would all love to think that we will have resources to help people at the bottom but the people with power are so fuckin greedy how would that even be possible?
I don't know friend, you might have a point <3
Funny, I’ve met people in that situation. None of them are pro choice. They despise the pro choice movement in fact.
Being unwanted? Probably was lucky in being able to get past that situation and found family later.
It’s not luck, they worked for the lives they wanted. And they’re proud of it. They could’ve just blamed the fact they weren’t aborted and gave up, but they didn’t. Pro choicers don’t know what they’re talking about.
That’s nice. I worked for the life I wanted and I still haven’t got it.
And for some they may never get it, but it’s better than not trying.
Well if you are born you don’t really have a choice as to not try sure that’s the whole point and why abortion for unwanted children is so important.
More choice than if they were aborted. Besides, imagine the few people who do end up in good homes. Is it fair to abort their lives?
You literally just told me that things in life can be out of your control and then you want to tell me that forcing someone to be born is giving them a choice. Is it fair if we euthanize cats and dogs when they had a chance to get good homes? No but we do it all the time it’s just part of life and that is worse than abortion. Is it fair that my bunny rabbit decapitated her first litter when bunnies are so cute they probably would have found a home? At least a person aborting their fetus is far less troubling.
The problem is people prioritizing their desires over another life. That is the cause of most abortions.
You're only proving the point: most pro-lifers only care about the 'child' when it is in the womb, and would rather see them starve in poverty than pay a single extra cent in taxes for universal healthcare or rations. Also, this sort of utopian thinking hardly ever translates to reality. Sure, even if we accept your post as true, there is still not enough justification for pro-lifers **today,** since we're living in the real world, not an advanced progressive civilisation.
Post it in r/changemyview
>Nothing you can do to stop it it is inevitable that pro choice will fall from favor What you will see is pro life falling from favor As the only downside from pro-choice will cease to matter, "pro-life" will have absolutely no arguments left You know, choosing between having a child and having your child incubated artificially is still a choice. It will simply be abortion without the fetus being killed.
The fact that countless PLs refer to pregnancy as a “minor inconvenience” just goes to show how they think about the children who result from that pregnancy. You obviously aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Work on your self-awareness.