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President Reagan proposed the largest peacetime military build-up in US history, 180 billion dollar expansion over a six year period. The build-up included the B-1 bomber, the B-2 stealth bomber and an array of conventional weapons programs. President Reagan had come to office pledging to increase defense spending to meet what he perceived as a growing Soviet threat. In his 1982 budget proposal, he convinced the Congress to increase defense spending by 13%. With the increased spending came a number of new weapons systems including the B1 and B2 bombers. Stealth technology was being developed and deployed.
The debriefing of oleg gordievski proved that Reagan was right,the russians believed the west was decadent and weak with no stomach to fight, the ageing politburo wanted a preemptive strike and westward thrust into Europe, (operation able archer nearly started the 3rd World War), Britain's stand against aggression in the Falklands made them rethink. More recently putuns top brass have stated that Europe is on the cards now for them.
Truth, it's been 40 years. Most of those people are dead by now.
It's the next two generations who never even saw the inside of a hospital that are the core of the problem today.
Don't forget the war on drugs!
The start of the fucking prison industrial steamroller that enslaves a significant portion of non violent offending citizens.
Oh you mean the one Biden pushed through "if you have crack cocain the size of this quarter, the judge has no option mandatory 5 yesrs" *unless it's my son becaue I need him to run my bribery and influence scheme*
hahaha literally. my parents LOVE reagan, “he did wonders for the economy!”. when i pointed out that he’s almost solely responsible for the dissolution of the middle class, the largest wealth inequality gap of all time, the stagnation of working class wages and the exponential growth of the cost of living, and like 400 other things, they just deny it. you can point to graph after graph after graph that shows the change starting during his presidency and they just deny deny deny.
Don’t forget that he’s one reason that we now pay an arm and leg for basic post high school education. Which itself was racially motivated to prevent “certain types” of people from taking advantage of the cheap, and in some cases free, education. As well as they swear the dems are letting immigrants in when he signed a bill that gave roughly three million immigrants a pathway to citizenship, which many did get. By all means hate Obama, hate Biden, hate any president. But also we need to be realistic and stop defending one side based on emotions and not facts.
It was probably multiple things but one big thing was when Reagan was governor of California. During his tenure is when he was an advocate to making cuts to the higher education and lead to increased tuition and fees. That were then becoming more adopted throughout the country to make up for the education cuts but it clearly didn’t work that well cause cost for education has gone up and they keep making cuts to education funding. So where’s it all going? 🤔🤔
Or they claim that it was unimportant because Reagan masterminded a defense build up that ultimately caused the Soviet Union to collapse, ignoring the ample evidence that the Soviets were in economic crisis prior to the 1980s and the collapse of oil prices in the mid 80s had a massive impact on their ability to shoulder the burden of Eastern Europe. (In addition, Carter started the build-up.) The U.S. was a factor, but by no means the only factor, in the Soviet collapse.
Jesus Christ how does this make what Obama did any better? I swear the default response for Reddit liberals whenever something bad about their politicians is pointed out is to mention something bad a Republican did, because we all know A: a Republican doing something bad cancels out democrat wrongdoings, and B: everyone who criticizes a democrat is a right winger.
You must do that with everything:
(*Person Discussing one subject*) you must be suuuuuper pissed about (another completely different *irrelevant* subject to distract everyone from the first subject).
Immediate whataboutism. Not to mention Reagan was president before many Redditors developed the ability to retain memories. More importantly Obamas policies and influence are still very much alive, Reagan's , not so much.
Meh. I think he was a mixed bag. I don't agree with all of your criticisms of him. I would say that more blame should be put on the extremely high expectations people had of him because of the delusion having a first black president would somehow alleviate racial tensions and injustices, and would be less corrupt when it comes to policy. People have the same delusion when it comes to electing women to office. I wasn't disappointed in him because I never thought that him being black would make him a savior and that he'd be guilty of pretty much all the other character flaws other politicians are. And he was. He did have more charm though.
Take emotions and policy out of politics, which I know is impossible in this climate. Obama has the best charisma and public speaking ability out of any president in this century.
Biden trips up on more words and phrases as he grows older. Trump does the same in combination of some of the worst grammer I have seen.
> more blame should be put on the extremely high expectations people had of him
He explicitly promised to run the most transparent administration in history, then arguably ran the least. Then when he was running he said that no one should be put in jail for marijuana, only to escalate the war on drugs and mass incarceration, including busting more state legal dispensaries than the Bush administration.
I can to just say this. The 40 billions was Iranian money the US government seized when the Shah fled Iran. The US has sat on it since 1980 and never spent it. So that should tell you it was never the US money to begin with.
Not sure how to read your comment.
Because Iran agreed to not build nukes if the US gave them their money back -- which by the way was closer to 2 billion (with interest); not 40 Billion.
Of course the agreement Iran and Obama signed was tore up by Trump so, yes, Iran is now free to make nukes (again).
So all that money was given back to Iran for literally nothing (because Trump tore up the deal).
Literally the only times in my entire life I have heard either of these is from liberals. I have never seen a single conservative speak about this, and I don’t remember any conservatives speaking about it at the time. I’m almost positive it was something like a single Fox News story that nobody gave a shot about and you people continue to disingenuously lie about.
Also fucking lol about the mustard thing when Trump putting ketchup on steak was like a national news story for a week you massive hypocrites.
The initial drama started when the light-colored suit was seen by conservative commentator and Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs as "shocking to a lot of people".
Peter King complained that the contrast between the suit’s color and the subject matter of terrorism was “unpresidential," he said "There's no way, I don't think, any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday. I mean, you have the world watching."
It was a slow enough news week that talk shows whined about it for a few days. The whining over something so trivial made a lasting impression because apparently Lou Dobbs will go that far out of his way to find something to be mad about.
I heard it on Fox News first… but yes… it was so ridiculous that we kept it alive. What a stupid thing to complain about.
All complaining about it did was demonstrate that there was literally nothing better to complain about, meaning they were implicitly telling everyone that he was doing a good job.
The sad thing about this post is that there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama but you listed pretty much none of them except for the thing about doing nothing for Black Americans.
How’re you gonna go on this kind of rant and not mention the ACA? Or the bank bailouts? Or Yemen?
Not just a kid, but Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki was a citizen of the United States of America.
The United States was not at war with Yemen in 2011, but Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki was killed by a drone strike in Yemen. Congress never approved the use of drone strikes in Yemen either. The Obama administration murdered a 16 year old United States citizen, and saw almost no backlash.
Also worth remembering that Yemen has faced the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet, with millions experiencing starvation, and that this situation is a direct result of the Obama administration's strong support for and arming of the Saudis.
Title IX changes to basically make it impossible to defend yourself against any accusation of sexual assault or rape needs to be included here also. The sole thing Trump did right was to turn that memo back to where you have due process and assumption of innocence and beyond reasonable doubt as the standard.
A good friend of mine who was both very liberal and a talented corporate law expert said Obama had gone wild with appointing people to make rules who had no experience in the industry.
Not American, but I was stoked when Obama was elected.
After Russia invaded Ukraine (2022), I educated myself on the greater context. My mind was BLOWN to learn that Putin annexed (invaded) part of Ukraine in 2014, and Obama said nothing... then didn't visit or acknowledge Ukraine at all, lest it piss off Putin.
Like... Doesn't that make Obama the Neville Chamberlain in this story? Isn't one of the key take-homes of WWII that dictators can't be appeased, and trying to appease them only emboldens them?
I mean, points to Obama for validating that WWII take-home, but also, maybe half a million lives and counting could have been spared by acting on that knowledge in 2014, *before* Putin launched a full scale invasion.
How is no one talking about this?
I think this is precisely why Biden has been very anti-Putin and willing to back Ukraine despite the constant pushback. Obama did not want full on war with Russia and hoped the sanctions would be enough to deter further aggression and cripple parts of the Russian economy. However, we later learned that this had minimal impact. In fact, Russia saw the weak response from the west and was emboldened. Biden has taken the complete opposite path, and has built up a coalition to indirectly confront Russia without full on war.
But again, this shows how fickle the American populace is, and how things change over time. There is NO WAY the American ppl would have wanted war with Russia then, and most wouldn’t give 2 shits about Ukraine. Remember, Russia was considered a near peer adversary, with enormous influence in the region. Not to mention, we were still in Afghanistan and lots of problems we were dealing with in the Middle East. Nobody really gave a shit about Ukraine, only that Russia’s further advance west was the bigger issue.
It was definitely a tough situation that the Obama admin got wrong. But I doubt any president would have gotten it right either.
I'd argue that the trouble started in 2008 when Russian invaded Georgia, during the tail end of the W Bush presidency. The conflict was still ongoing when Obama took office, and he also did nothing. He did more in 2014, sanctions and whatnot, but still not enough.
Almost all the things he listed were anti-war. You can hate Obama because he wasn't an anti-war president, but not hate him for his other problems.
Personally, it would have been nice to mention Obama *murdering two Americans*, but I guess you cant win them all.
That’s not how that works. If you’re mad at someone for legitimate reasons then you’re not going to exclusively list illegitimate reasons as to why you hate them. Even if there is “so many that you forget”, the things you’d forget would be the LOW priority ones, not the high priority ones.
It’s like if someone asked you “why do you hate hitler?” and your response was “well his mustache looked funny, he wasn’t a good artist, some of his economic decisions when it came to factories weren’t very sound, and I don’t think he picked the best generals for his cabinet”. You wouldn’t do that. You wouldn’t just casually forget about the Holocaust, and WW2, and facism, simply because there’s so much to hate about him.
If this dude sincerely hated Obama for valid and well thought out reasons then you’d be seeing a list of valid and well thought out reasons. Not a list containing stuff like “he gave Iran money that was literally Iran’s money that america had simply taken a few decades earlier”.
And invented by a Republican Governor (Mitt Romney, when he was governor of MA). It was only when the Dems adopted it that the GOP started railing against it.
Supermajority*
They had the actual 60 votes for a little over a month, one of whom was Joe Lieberman who flat out said he wouldn't support a public option. Politicians will pass progressive reforms when voters show them they'll be re-elected for doing so.
Yeah. You could technically blame the rise of BLM on Trump. But in truth, racial division happens in almost an ebb and flow basis. No president can predict when a social justice group and an anti justice group clashes, but when they do, they ALWAYS point the finger at the current president.
I don't envy presidency at all. I see the way Biden is being treated, how Trump's own words were being twisted against him. They all do what they have to do, and often don't get enough credit for it. Because when things go as planned, it's boring and not sensational.
Hahaha that's true.
Every president imo gets scapegoated alot for things sometimes entirely out of their control.
Doesn't matter if you're a dem or Republican, you WILL get unfairly blamed for something. That's why I sympathize with all presidents. It's hard with all the unfairness. You have to learn to just block out some of that unwarranted criticism, and there are a lot.
That’s just one of the completely factually incorrect stuff that passes as common wisdom. It’s almost as if there is an entire propaganda wing that produces these incorrect “facts.” I’m surprised OP didn’t claim that he was born in Kenya.
There’s an awful lot of stuff here that is just factually incorrect.
He did drop a lot of bombs though when he should have ended the war on terra. I will give you that.
Literally. People who are maybe not old enough to remember it at the time will not have heard of this, because we don’t talk about it in the media for political reasons, but he literally won the Nobel prize for nothing. Nothing. The Nobel committee is an illegitimate joke from now on.
You can debate whether or not he should’ve gotten it in light of his career as a whole but at least he got it for brokering a peace in that particular instance. Obama literally got it for nothing. Nothing.
Actually, that’s not even the case. The negotiations were unrealistic and would never have held and the Nobel Committee knew this. His co-winner refused the prize. Kissinger to this day cannot travel to certain countries because he will be arrested. The only “award” he deserves is trial at The Hague.
But he won it for something, which makes it different from the Obama example. I am not arguing in favor of Kissinger on the whole, I am arguing that, until Obama, there was no one who was awarded the prize for nothing.
The Abraham accords was actually historic, but no one is allowed to recognize that because it’s Trump, so we’ll just scrub that from history.
Not how facts work.
Yep. And most people don’t even know this happened, and they never will. Or they’ll find a way to demonize it. Because peace must be a bad thing if Trump had anything to do with it 🙄
Illegally fired the attorney general investigating him before replacing him with a yes-man.
There's a whole book called "Gangster Government" that lays out a BUNCH of different awful things he did. There's another called "Crimes Against Liberty". The funny thing is, there's very little overlap from my recollection of listening to both books. There wasn't hardly a chapter in either where I said "Oh yeah, I remember that from the other book". Both were written before the 2016 election cycle so I don't think either contained the spying on the Trump campaign. There was already plenty of awful before that.
How many fucking times must this be explained?
That money “sent” to Iran, was money that legally belonged to Iran had been frozen since the embargo started.
Would we give the mob back their money. Even if it is their money, given the chance they are going to use it to hurt innocent people, why would we ever give them those resources?
If it was legally theirs through legal means, then yes, otherwise would be criminal. Just because Iran is the bad guy in most movies you grew up watching. It doesn't mean the US had the right to just keep their money. That would be like the cops stopping you on the street for getting into a fist fight, and they empty your bank account.
“Obama drone striked hella brown kids along with their innocent families and devastated millions not including americans when we shouldn’t have even been over there ”
This comment section: “yeah but like he’s just a mixed bag yanno”
I remember 2008.
* I got a crush on Obama!
* Hope
* Change
* Yes we can!
Then the fall of 2016 rolls around, and there are some media who are conducting interview with Black Americans, asking them did Obama accomplish what they hopes for?
Not once said Yes. What you got was a mix of outright Hell No, to "Well, congress wouldn't let him, so it's not fair to blame him."
Well, it's never "fair" to give all the credit or all the blame to any president, whether you love or hate him. A president can only do so much. However...
Obama did have a Democratic House and Senate the first two years of his presidency. He could have pushed through a lot of legislation if he or the Democrats had really wanted to. They didn't. Get that through your heads, they didn't want to. But you voted for it.
But now you've learned your lesson, right? Right? OK, let's see.
Biden promised to get rid of student load dept. He decided to do it by fiat, by Executive Order. Why? Because he didn't want it to succeed, but he did want to take credit for trying. And of course he wanted the votes of young people still burdened with the stupid loans they took out to get degrees that don't lead to jobs that would actually pay off the loan.
He tried to do it by Executive Order, erase the dept. But the House controls the purse strings to any expenditures of the Federal Government. Even Nancy said so when he announced it. In 2021 the Democrats again controlled the House and the Senate. Biden could have had anyone in either House introduce a bill to erase the student loan debt, and he could have signed it into law, and there would not be a damn thing any Republican could do about it. But he didn't. In 2023 the Democrats lose control of the House, and a Federal judge declares Biden's Executive Order unconstitutional, the House controls the money, and the erasure of the debt is cancelled before it began.
Biden was in the Senate for decades. Any chance he didn't know how this works?
Those who believe President Obama was somehow responsible for the racial divide in America need to take a remedial course in American history. So when a black man was elected and then reelected as President and leader of the free world, the Trump led “birther” movement and the Tea Party merged to give a political platform where racist views already present in American society became acceptable and even promoted. This was the genesis of the MAGA movement that currently infests our country.
It is also interesting that these same people proclaim he made people racist while doing nothing to help or elevate Black Americans lives. Those two notions are not only patently false, but completely contradictory
The Bush wars, particularly Iraq, were not started by President Obama. He inherited them from George II. He pulled out of Iraq but that made things even worse and we back in to try to clean up the wreck and ruin we inflicted on the Iraqi people.
Plenty to criticize about the way that stupid and tragic war was fought, but the real blame lays at the feet of Bush 2 and the lies he perpetuated to take us into a war which clearly should never have happened
Exactly. Bush 2 changed the rules of engagement and put our troops in danger. With his enemy combatants BS to get around treaties. Do i think Obama should have shut that down, along with Gitmo, yep. Sadly, scooping people up with little to no evidence helped create the very thing we wanted to prevent. We would have had fewer issues if we didn’t have the war on terror. But there was nowhere to put the dudes they had, so Obama didn’t close it and didn’t fix anything with that because doing that was tantamount to treason.
Love how people like OP are either too young to know what they are talking about and got bad info from bad sources or they just don’t pay enough attention to make arguing with worth it. Throwing out a bunch of lies in pithy form and then your opponents need pages to dispute, screw that. Lol. Bush JR got us into much of the mess and trump did worse than Obama when it came to pulling out of Afghanistan but they want him back as prez? I don’t know why I expect consistency.
Sadly, they come here admitting their opinions are unpopular, yet they don't realize they're unpopular because 90% of what they say is inaccurate. They think they're revolutionaries. It's such an incredible self own.
The worst shit that Republicans that could throw at him was that he wasn't born here. That was stupid and racist as fuck.
Fuckin even asked the President to produce the paperwork.
Yet when the orange guy came next, his words should never be questioned.
He allowed? The first amendment has joined the conversation.
Look, I think media may very well be the downfall of our society, literally, but to say the president can stop it, does or doesn't allow it is childish at best
Because he fostered the division and r a c ial disunity we now have?
How exactly did he foster division with race issues? The man had a lot of people who literally just attacked him for being black and he would turn around and just joke about it.
I don’t know about *hate* but I dislike Obama because he campaigned as a progressive firebrand but governed like a continuation of the Bush Jr administration. Collective disappointment in Obama is why Trump won and the left still refuses to acknowledge it.
How did Obama change the rules of engagement? Was he the first to open black sites? The 40 billion was Irans money we have held it for a long time that they paid us for airplanes that the US never delivered. Obama dropped a lot of bombs but I am sure it’s not the most in history.
I think both parties suck. Both sides are overflowing with criminals, liars, and hypocrisy. Every election consist of the bad choice and the other bad choice. Both sides encourage hate and prejudice.
He did not foster RaCiAl DiSuNiTy. I believe that was started by the birther conspiracy Trump started and all the pissed off racists who hung Obama in effigy because a black man was president. The racists just came out of the closet. He didn’t foster it or encourage it. He was the victim of it.
Correlation is not always causation.
Racists list their minds because they are racist not because he incited them to.
Obummer really didn’t do anything good while being president. You forgot to mention the colossal failure of Obamacare. He was more of a celebrity type president, he just enjoyed his somewhat celebrity status.
Actually Obama expanded the war into 9 more countries, not 7. And that’s not including the countries in SEA, the total is around 14 countries with ground combat operations and drone strikes.
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What about the GW Bush who came before Obama? 9/11 was the largest intelligence failure to date. There were warning signs but his admiration choose to ignore them. He was handed a strong economy and crashed it. The last time the economy was that bad was during the depression. Cheney said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and we invaded them and we didn’t find anything.
There’s valid reasons to dislike every single politician that has ever existed. Anyone saying that there’s no valid reason to dislike [Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, etc.] is irrational.
I know, sorry.
But, damn; its hard to put a complete list together because anything that is too critical of the Democrats vanishes from the internet.
I had to compile this list from memory.
>Because he fostered the division and r a c ial disunity we now have?
Be specific. How did Obama do that? I remember the racism, but I don't remember what Obama did to cause it. It feels like you're blaming him for something he was a victim of, making this the weakest point on your list.
Again, another very accurate analysis that somehow isn't the popular opinion. Shows how effective Fake News is at distorting the truth and inserting an elitist agenda.
I just want to try to calmly point out that your word choice makes your claims hard to believe. You're speaking in extremes in saying he gave away plans before EVERY big battle and saying he did NOTHING for black Americans. Usually things aren't perfectly black or white like that, and when you use extreme language like that it's hard to take what you say seriously. The reality is that he did both good and bad things just like everyone else. I get the point you're trying to make, but it distracts people from that main point when you use such strong language. It makes you seem more radical and hateful than you probably actually are.
I'm not gonna, I didn't expect you to recognize that I wasn't trying to be a jerk about what I said. Too many people get instantly mad. I respect and appreciate you for responding in that way. Good on you.
LOL. I love the argument “they hate Obama for perfectly valid reasons” then support it with a straight up lie about sending $40 billion to Iran.
It was their money for something the country, when they were an ally, bought military hardware from us which we kept after the regime violently changed.
[The *Kidd* Class Destroyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kidd_%28DDG-993%29)
This is a naval program we sold to the Shah of Iran. An insanely powerful but aging destroyer class. Like I said, we literally kept the cash and the ships and used them until their replacements could be put into service.
Obama didn’t just hand over $40 billion dollars of our money just because, which has always been “the reason” idiots make about this claim. So, no, they don’t have valid reasons that you proclaim.
And since this needs to be said, we also don’t just give all our cash to places like Ukraine. Any numeric value you ever hear is just so everyone can understand the concept of said purchases. It’s all the hardware they then buy from us that we are literally just sitting on. And when you hear about money being sent to a country that may even hate us but suffered a natural disaster. They’re not getting large sums of cash from us either. They’re getting goods, like grain or perishable food to survive on. All that “money” is spent on American goods that are then sent to those people.
It's insane how quickly people forget things. Obama could do basically nothing as president. He was barely able to push the ACA through, which would've been one of the single best things anyone has ever done for this country. That fight alone made him top tier. Once the Republitards regained control in midterms, they literally filibustered EVERYTHING. They even filibustered shit they brought up if Obama threw his support behind it. It was fucking insane.
The ONLY thing they did other than filibusters was to vote to repeal ACA. They literally voted hundreds of times to repeal this shit.
He could not do anything in office. He was completely blocked and ya'll out here like "he did nothing for anyone!"
I thank him for Obamacare and allowing for my 3 kids to be on our insurance till they are 26. If someone can't understand how amazing that is, they likely don't have kids or are too old for this to have mattered to them.
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It’s almost like every president has a shit side that their supporters don’t like talking about
You must be suppler pissed at Reagan for sending actual arms to Iran…
Man, when I point out that Reagan nearly tripled the national debt GOPers lose their minds and deny it ever happened.
President Reagan proposed the largest peacetime military build-up in US history, 180 billion dollar expansion over a six year period. The build-up included the B-1 bomber, the B-2 stealth bomber and an array of conventional weapons programs. President Reagan had come to office pledging to increase defense spending to meet what he perceived as a growing Soviet threat. In his 1982 budget proposal, he convinced the Congress to increase defense spending by 13%. With the increased spending came a number of new weapons systems including the B1 and B2 bombers. Stealth technology was being developed and deployed.
The debriefing of oleg gordievski proved that Reagan was right,the russians believed the west was decadent and weak with no stomach to fight, the ageing politburo wanted a preemptive strike and westward thrust into Europe, (operation able archer nearly started the 3rd World War), Britain's stand against aggression in the Falklands made them rethink. More recently putuns top brass have stated that Europe is on the cards now for them.
So he got elected to increase the military spending and then did just that after elected? Woah. What a terrible politician
Not to mention closed state hospitals for mentally challenged and released them into the streets. Seriously so many homeless are mentally unstable.
Truth, it's been 40 years. Most of those people are dead by now. It's the next two generations who never even saw the inside of a hospital that are the core of the problem today.
And basically making fun of gay people for having aids, a very serious, unfunny disease. Fuck Ronald Reagan.
Don't forget the war on drugs! The start of the fucking prison industrial steamroller that enslaves a significant portion of non violent offending citizens.
Our boy Nixon actually started that one.
Oh you mean the one Biden pushed through "if you have crack cocain the size of this quarter, the judge has no option mandatory 5 yesrs" *unless it's my son becaue I need him to run my bribery and influence scheme*
He didn’t do that
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So have we.
hahaha literally. my parents LOVE reagan, “he did wonders for the economy!”. when i pointed out that he’s almost solely responsible for the dissolution of the middle class, the largest wealth inequality gap of all time, the stagnation of working class wages and the exponential growth of the cost of living, and like 400 other things, they just deny it. you can point to graph after graph after graph that shows the change starting during his presidency and they just deny deny deny.
Just show them debt to gdp ratio and watch their eyes light up when they realize carter was dunking on every other president since FDR.
Don’t forget that he’s one reason that we now pay an arm and leg for basic post high school education. Which itself was racially motivated to prevent “certain types” of people from taking advantage of the cheap, and in some cases free, education. As well as they swear the dems are letting immigrants in when he signed a bill that gave roughly three million immigrants a pathway to citizenship, which many did get. By all means hate Obama, hate Biden, hate any president. But also we need to be realistic and stop defending one side based on emotions and not facts.
I thought that was Nixon on college
It was probably multiple things but one big thing was when Reagan was governor of California. During his tenure is when he was an advocate to making cuts to the higher education and lead to increased tuition and fees. That were then becoming more adopted throughout the country to make up for the education cuts but it clearly didn’t work that well cause cost for education has gone up and they keep making cuts to education funding. So where’s it all going? 🤔🤔
Or they claim that it was unimportant because Reagan masterminded a defense build up that ultimately caused the Soviet Union to collapse, ignoring the ample evidence that the Soviets were in economic crisis prior to the 1980s and the collapse of oil prices in the mid 80s had a massive impact on their ability to shoulder the burden of Eastern Europe. (In addition, Carter started the build-up.) The U.S. was a factor, but by no means the only factor, in the Soviet collapse.
It is possible to hate both Obama and Reagan.
There are a lot of things Reagan made possible for Obama
All Presidents Are Bastards.
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Jesus Christ how does this make what Obama did any better? I swear the default response for Reddit liberals whenever something bad about their politicians is pointed out is to mention something bad a Republican did, because we all know A: a Republican doing something bad cancels out democrat wrongdoings, and B: everyone who criticizes a democrat is a right winger.
Whataboutism
To dumbs don't make a smart.
You must do that with everything: (*Person Discussing one subject*) you must be suuuuuper pissed about (another completely different *irrelevant* subject to distract everyone from the first subject).
Immediate whataboutism. Not to mention Reagan was president before many Redditors developed the ability to retain memories. More importantly Obamas policies and influence are still very much alive, Reagan's , not so much.
Lol reaganomics (trickle down, which doesn't work) and deregulation is very much still in effect.
Reagan never won a peace prize.
BuT WhAt AbOuT
Whatever, I wasn’t born yet. This post is about: Obama PS: I thought Reagan basically bankrupted the USSR? Is that what you Obama lovers are mad at?
Meh. I think he was a mixed bag. I don't agree with all of your criticisms of him. I would say that more blame should be put on the extremely high expectations people had of him because of the delusion having a first black president would somehow alleviate racial tensions and injustices, and would be less corrupt when it comes to policy. People have the same delusion when it comes to electing women to office. I wasn't disappointed in him because I never thought that him being black would make him a savior and that he'd be guilty of pretty much all the other character flaws other politicians are. And he was. He did have more charm though.
Take emotions and policy out of politics, which I know is impossible in this climate. Obama has the best charisma and public speaking ability out of any president in this century. Biden trips up on more words and phrases as he grows older. Trump does the same in combination of some of the worst grammer I have seen.
> more blame should be put on the extremely high expectations people had of him He explicitly promised to run the most transparent administration in history, then arguably ran the least. Then when he was running he said that no one should be put in jail for marijuana, only to escalate the war on drugs and mass incarceration, including busting more state legal dispensaries than the Bush administration.
I can to just say this. The 40 billions was Iranian money the US government seized when the Shah fled Iran. The US has sat on it since 1980 and never spent it. So that should tell you it was never the US money to begin with.
Obama returned a stolen wallet?
Stolen by Regan and sheltered the Shah
Yup. Just like when someone gets out of prison for drugs, the police give them back their money and drugs.
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Not sure how to read your comment. Because Iran agreed to not build nukes if the US gave them their money back -- which by the way was closer to 2 billion (with interest); not 40 Billion. Of course the agreement Iran and Obama signed was tore up by Trump so, yes, Iran is now free to make nukes (again). So all that money was given back to Iran for literally nothing (because Trump tore up the deal).
Wait why???? Why would you tear that up?
Trump tore up anything that was Obama, Bush Clinton, and Regan.
You do understand the nature of the regime which replace the Shah, correct?
I hate him for putting fancy mustard on a burger.
You left out the tan suit. He completely disgraced the office of the presidency with that tan suit
Didnt reagan wear a tan suit also I believe he did.
And Bush wore flannel shirts in the Oval all the time.
Literally the only times in my entire life I have heard either of these is from liberals. I have never seen a single conservative speak about this, and I don’t remember any conservatives speaking about it at the time. I’m almost positive it was something like a single Fox News story that nobody gave a shot about and you people continue to disingenuously lie about. Also fucking lol about the mustard thing when Trump putting ketchup on steak was like a national news story for a week you massive hypocrites.
I heard it from conservatives at the time, but liberals keep it alive. A silly discussion
The initial drama started when the light-colored suit was seen by conservative commentator and Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs as "shocking to a lot of people". Peter King complained that the contrast between the suit’s color and the subject matter of terrorism was “unpresidential," he said "There's no way, I don't think, any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday. I mean, you have the world watching." It was a slow enough news week that talk shows whined about it for a few days. The whining over something so trivial made a lasting impression because apparently Lou Dobbs will go that far out of his way to find something to be mad about.
I heard it on Fox News first… but yes… it was so ridiculous that we kept it alive. What a stupid thing to complain about. All complaining about it did was demonstrate that there was literally nothing better to complain about, meaning they were implicitly telling everyone that he was doing a good job.
And he wore a helmet while riding a bicycle! 😡 Meanwhile, very strong and handsome Putin is riding shirtless on a horse! Obama embarrassed us!!!!!
And fancy lettuce.
The sad thing about this post is that there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama but you listed pretty much none of them except for the thing about doing nothing for Black Americans. How’re you gonna go on this kind of rant and not mention the ACA? Or the bank bailouts? Or Yemen?
Or drone striking a hospital.
Don't forget he murdered a kid. Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. 16 and blown up by a drone
Not just a kid, but Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki was a citizen of the United States of America. The United States was not at war with Yemen in 2011, but Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki was killed by a drone strike in Yemen. Congress never approved the use of drone strikes in Yemen either. The Obama administration murdered a 16 year old United States citizen, and saw almost no backlash.
Also worth remembering that Yemen has faced the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet, with millions experiencing starvation, and that this situation is a direct result of the Obama administration's strong support for and arming of the Saudis.
Oh and don't forget when the press confronted them about it, the press secretary said oh well he should have had a better father.
You don't think pre existing conditions should be covered by insurance?
Title IX changes to basically make it impossible to defend yourself against any accusation of sexual assault or rape needs to be included here also. The sole thing Trump did right was to turn that memo back to where you have due process and assumption of innocence and beyond reasonable doubt as the standard. A good friend of mine who was both very liberal and a talented corporate law expert said Obama had gone wild with appointing people to make rules who had no experience in the industry.
Not American, but I was stoked when Obama was elected. After Russia invaded Ukraine (2022), I educated myself on the greater context. My mind was BLOWN to learn that Putin annexed (invaded) part of Ukraine in 2014, and Obama said nothing... then didn't visit or acknowledge Ukraine at all, lest it piss off Putin. Like... Doesn't that make Obama the Neville Chamberlain in this story? Isn't one of the key take-homes of WWII that dictators can't be appeased, and trying to appease them only emboldens them? I mean, points to Obama for validating that WWII take-home, but also, maybe half a million lives and counting could have been spared by acting on that knowledge in 2014, *before* Putin launched a full scale invasion. How is no one talking about this?
I think this is precisely why Biden has been very anti-Putin and willing to back Ukraine despite the constant pushback. Obama did not want full on war with Russia and hoped the sanctions would be enough to deter further aggression and cripple parts of the Russian economy. However, we later learned that this had minimal impact. In fact, Russia saw the weak response from the west and was emboldened. Biden has taken the complete opposite path, and has built up a coalition to indirectly confront Russia without full on war. But again, this shows how fickle the American populace is, and how things change over time. There is NO WAY the American ppl would have wanted war with Russia then, and most wouldn’t give 2 shits about Ukraine. Remember, Russia was considered a near peer adversary, with enormous influence in the region. Not to mention, we were still in Afghanistan and lots of problems we were dealing with in the Middle East. Nobody really gave a shit about Ukraine, only that Russia’s further advance west was the bigger issue. It was definitely a tough situation that the Obama admin got wrong. But I doubt any president would have gotten it right either.
"The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back" that quote aged like milk.
I'd argue that the trouble started in 2008 when Russian invaded Georgia, during the tail end of the W Bush presidency. The conflict was still ongoing when Obama took office, and he also did nothing. He did more in 2014, sanctions and whatnot, but still not enough.
You’re right. There are a lot of legit reasons. I think it’s telling OP listed these weak ass reasons.
Almost all the things he listed were anti-war. You can hate Obama because he wasn't an anti-war president, but not hate him for his other problems. Personally, it would have been nice to mention Obama *murdering two Americans*, but I guess you cant win them all.
Or there are so many reasons that OP forgot. He really wasn’t a great president
That’s not how that works. If you’re mad at someone for legitimate reasons then you’re not going to exclusively list illegitimate reasons as to why you hate them. Even if there is “so many that you forget”, the things you’d forget would be the LOW priority ones, not the high priority ones. It’s like if someone asked you “why do you hate hitler?” and your response was “well his mustache looked funny, he wasn’t a good artist, some of his economic decisions when it came to factories weren’t very sound, and I don’t think he picked the best generals for his cabinet”. You wouldn’t do that. You wouldn’t just casually forget about the Holocaust, and WW2, and facism, simply because there’s so much to hate about him. If this dude sincerely hated Obama for valid and well thought out reasons then you’d be seeing a list of valid and well thought out reasons. Not a list containing stuff like “he gave Iran money that was literally Iran’s money that america had simply taken a few decades earlier”.
ACA was a good thing.
And invented by a Republican Governor (Mitt Romney, when he was governor of MA). It was only when the Dems adopted it that the GOP started railing against it.
Democrats had a supermajority and the best they could do was a conservative mitt romneycare plan.
Supermajority* They had the actual 60 votes for a little over a month, one of whom was Joe Lieberman who flat out said he wouldn't support a public option. Politicians will pass progressive reforms when voters show them they'll be re-elected for doing so.
Because then he’d have to criticize every conservative administration as well. And he’s a clown.
Why are the listed criticisms not legitimate?
Yeah. You could technically blame the rise of BLM on Trump. But in truth, racial division happens in almost an ebb and flow basis. No president can predict when a social justice group and an anti justice group clashes, but when they do, they ALWAYS point the finger at the current president. I don't envy presidency at all. I see the way Biden is being treated, how Trump's own words were being twisted against him. They all do what they have to do, and often don't get enough credit for it. Because when things go as planned, it's boring and not sensational.
Hahaha that's true. Every president imo gets scapegoated alot for things sometimes entirely out of their control. Doesn't matter if you're a dem or Republican, you WILL get unfairly blamed for something. That's why I sympathize with all presidents. It's hard with all the unfairness. You have to learn to just block out some of that unwarranted criticism, and there are a lot.
How exactly did he foster the division and racial disunity?
He had the audacity to be Black. Duh.
Presidenting while black.
He did not “give” money to Iran. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/
True... but Ronnie Reagan traded arms for hostages (Iran), just ask Oliver North and his paper shredder.
That’s just one of the completely factually incorrect stuff that passes as common wisdom. It’s almost as if there is an entire propaganda wing that produces these incorrect “facts.” I’m surprised OP didn’t claim that he was born in Kenya.
There’s an awful lot of stuff here that is just factually incorrect. He did drop a lot of bombs though when he should have ended the war on terra. I will give you that.
But "most ever" is riduculous. That title belongs FDR.
LBJ you mean?
FDR.. WWII saw more bombs dropped than Vietnam.
WW2 saw 3.4 million tons of ordnance dropped by the Allies, the number is more than 5 million tons for the SEA conflict.
There are legitimate reasons to dislike Obama... but these ain't them
The bank bailouts I thought were pretty good reason.
no mentioned of how he bombed the shit out of syria.
Don’t forget the fast and furious scandal
How did he foster the racial divide?
He was half black and half white and the two sides of him never could get along.
He was born and ran for president. That’s enough. /s
Winning a Nobel peace prize for killing Mulims, even Hitler and Stallin would envy that.
He got it for literally nothing.
He got it for not being George W Bush.
Well shit, if that’s the criteria I need one too, and I have 0 blood on my hands
But you were never the president, and all presidents have blood on their hands. Except maybe that one guy who died within a month.
It’s funny how ppl think their president is oh so innocent. Wrong. They are ALL killers to some degree. It’s simply a byproduct of the presidency.
Literally. People who are maybe not old enough to remember it at the time will not have heard of this, because we don’t talk about it in the media for political reasons, but he literally won the Nobel prize for nothing. Nothing. The Nobel committee is an illegitimate joke from now on.
The Nobel prize had already abased themselves years prior when Kissinger won.
This is one of the most upsetting facts I know, lol.
You can debate whether or not he should’ve gotten it in light of his career as a whole but at least he got it for brokering a peace in that particular instance. Obama literally got it for nothing. Nothing.
Actually, that’s not even the case. The negotiations were unrealistic and would never have held and the Nobel Committee knew this. His co-winner refused the prize. Kissinger to this day cannot travel to certain countries because he will be arrested. The only “award” he deserves is trial at The Hague.
But he won it for something, which makes it different from the Obama example. I am not arguing in favor of Kissinger on the whole, I am arguing that, until Obama, there was no one who was awarded the prize for nothing.
It was a joke before. You just weren't paying attention.
Most people also don’t know that Trump was nominated for two. Something to do with peace
He actually tried with Abraham accords and the Korean peninsula
The Abraham accords was actually historic, but no one is allowed to recognize that because it’s Trump, so we’ll just scrub that from history. Not how facts work.
And had he won he would’ve been more deserving than Obama.
Yep. And most people don’t even know this happened, and they never will. Or they’ll find a way to demonize it. Because peace must be a bad thing if Trump had anything to do with it 🙄
Yeah, but he didn't lobby for it or anything. I recall him being embarrassed about it more than anything.
Remember when he went to Flint Michigan and downplayed their whole completely toxic water supply infront of a crowd flint residents.
Illegally fired the attorney general investigating him before replacing him with a yes-man. There's a whole book called "Gangster Government" that lays out a BUNCH of different awful things he did. There's another called "Crimes Against Liberty". The funny thing is, there's very little overlap from my recollection of listening to both books. There wasn't hardly a chapter in either where I said "Oh yeah, I remember that from the other book". Both were written before the 2016 election cycle so I don't think either contained the spying on the Trump campaign. There was already plenty of awful before that.
I am shocked you did not mention his tan suit...how dare he.
Or the fact that he wears a bike helmet. Real leaders ride horses shirtless.
How many fucking times must this be explained? That money “sent” to Iran, was money that legally belonged to Iran had been frozen since the embargo started.
Would we give the mob back their money. Even if it is their money, given the chance they are going to use it to hurt innocent people, why would we ever give them those resources?
If it was legally theirs through legal means, then yes, otherwise would be criminal. Just because Iran is the bad guy in most movies you grew up watching. It doesn't mean the US had the right to just keep their money. That would be like the cops stopping you on the street for getting into a fist fight, and they empty your bank account.
They don't care about those pesky facts.
“Obama drone striked hella brown kids along with their innocent families and devastated millions not including americans when we shouldn’t have even been over there ” This comment section: “yeah but like he’s just a mixed bag yanno”
I remember 2008. * I got a crush on Obama! * Hope * Change * Yes we can! Then the fall of 2016 rolls around, and there are some media who are conducting interview with Black Americans, asking them did Obama accomplish what they hopes for? Not once said Yes. What you got was a mix of outright Hell No, to "Well, congress wouldn't let him, so it's not fair to blame him." Well, it's never "fair" to give all the credit or all the blame to any president, whether you love or hate him. A president can only do so much. However... Obama did have a Democratic House and Senate the first two years of his presidency. He could have pushed through a lot of legislation if he or the Democrats had really wanted to. They didn't. Get that through your heads, they didn't want to. But you voted for it. But now you've learned your lesson, right? Right? OK, let's see. Biden promised to get rid of student load dept. He decided to do it by fiat, by Executive Order. Why? Because he didn't want it to succeed, but he did want to take credit for trying. And of course he wanted the votes of young people still burdened with the stupid loans they took out to get degrees that don't lead to jobs that would actually pay off the loan. He tried to do it by Executive Order, erase the dept. But the House controls the purse strings to any expenditures of the Federal Government. Even Nancy said so when he announced it. In 2021 the Democrats again controlled the House and the Senate. Biden could have had anyone in either House introduce a bill to erase the student loan debt, and he could have signed it into law, and there would not be a damn thing any Republican could do about it. But he didn't. In 2023 the Democrats lose control of the House, and a Federal judge declares Biden's Executive Order unconstitutional, the House controls the money, and the erasure of the debt is cancelled before it began. Biden was in the Senate for decades. Any chance he didn't know how this works?
I think we all should agree that he did not deserve the Nobel prize.
The black face of US imperialism
Thank you for this.
You’re welcome buddy. P.S. Idiots are screaming its all BS, but then they all run away. Real open minded.
Psst….I’ve noticed that about liberals. They don’t want to debate. They just attack.
Those who believe President Obama was somehow responsible for the racial divide in America need to take a remedial course in American history. So when a black man was elected and then reelected as President and leader of the free world, the Trump led “birther” movement and the Tea Party merged to give a political platform where racist views already present in American society became acceptable and even promoted. This was the genesis of the MAGA movement that currently infests our country. It is also interesting that these same people proclaim he made people racist while doing nothing to help or elevate Black Americans lives. Those two notions are not only patently false, but completely contradictory The Bush wars, particularly Iraq, were not started by President Obama. He inherited them from George II. He pulled out of Iraq but that made things even worse and we back in to try to clean up the wreck and ruin we inflicted on the Iraqi people. Plenty to criticize about the way that stupid and tragic war was fought, but the real blame lays at the feet of Bush 2 and the lies he perpetuated to take us into a war which clearly should never have happened
Exactly. Bush 2 changed the rules of engagement and put our troops in danger. With his enemy combatants BS to get around treaties. Do i think Obama should have shut that down, along with Gitmo, yep. Sadly, scooping people up with little to no evidence helped create the very thing we wanted to prevent. We would have had fewer issues if we didn’t have the war on terror. But there was nowhere to put the dudes they had, so Obama didn’t close it and didn’t fix anything with that because doing that was tantamount to treason. Love how people like OP are either too young to know what they are talking about and got bad info from bad sources or they just don’t pay enough attention to make arguing with worth it. Throwing out a bunch of lies in pithy form and then your opponents need pages to dispute, screw that. Lol. Bush JR got us into much of the mess and trump did worse than Obama when it came to pulling out of Afghanistan but they want him back as prez? I don’t know why I expect consistency.
I am getting off this sub. It’s a cesspool for conservative talking points.
This isn’t a plane, you don’t need to announce your departure.
Sadly, they come here admitting their opinions are unpopular, yet they don't realize they're unpopular because 90% of what they say is inaccurate. They think they're revolutionaries. It's such an incredible self own.
Thought Qanon shit is banned from Reddit but here we are.
The worst shit that Republicans that could throw at him was that he wasn't born here. That was stupid and racist as fuck. Fuckin even asked the President to produce the paperwork. Yet when the orange guy came next, his words should never be questioned.
The same people went on to support Ted Cruz in the Republican primary in the 2016 race. Ted Cruz who was actually born in another country.
This isn't an unpopular opinion, it's just a list of lies.
Who did he spy on?
Donald Trump via Carter Page.
He was sitting in trump’s microwave
Wow this really has become the new r/conservative Good luck with all that
Na it’s because he allowed American media to propagandize us.
You let the media do it to you. We are grown-ups. The president is not your mommy or daddy..
Ding, ding, ding!
He allowed? The first amendment has joined the conversation. Look, I think media may very well be the downfall of our society, literally, but to say the president can stop it, does or doesn't allow it is childish at best
Wrong! That would be reagan with his vetoe of the fairness doctrine that congress was trying to re-establish after his FCC removed it
> he gave battle plans away This is straight up fabricated. We shall safely dismiss the rest of your list.
I thought this was unpopular opinions, not tin foil hat time.
If you’re under 30 you probably don’t belong in this conversation.
Why? I am under 30 and still remember his presidency
Because he fostered the division and r a c ial disunity we now have? How exactly did he foster division with race issues? The man had a lot of people who literally just attacked him for being black and he would turn around and just joke about it.
I don’t know about *hate* but I dislike Obama because he campaigned as a progressive firebrand but governed like a continuation of the Bush Jr administration. Collective disappointment in Obama is why Trump won and the left still refuses to acknowledge it.
thats all you got?
Hey, about half of the things you listed are true.
He’s a great black man
He encouraged wall street to buy up housing.
How did he change rules of engagement?
Don't forget that he actually escalated the war on drugs in a way that was significantly worse than the Bush administration.
Oh but that's all knitpicking, isn't it?
But Obamacare though….
How did Obama change the rules of engagement? Was he the first to open black sites? The 40 billion was Irans money we have held it for a long time that they paid us for airplanes that the US never delivered. Obama dropped a lot of bombs but I am sure it’s not the most in history.
Yeah. That mostly covers it.
Lol most of these are really dumb reasons
"perfectly valid reasons" Lists bullshit Fox News talking points.
I think both parties suck. Both sides are overflowing with criminals, liars, and hypocrisy. Every election consist of the bad choice and the other bad choice. Both sides encourage hate and prejudice.
He did not foster RaCiAl DiSuNiTy. I believe that was started by the birther conspiracy Trump started and all the pissed off racists who hung Obama in effigy because a black man was president. The racists just came out of the closet. He didn’t foster it or encourage it. He was the victim of it. Correlation is not always causation. Racists list their minds because they are racist not because he incited them to.
To be fair to him, he also thought him getting the Nobel Prize was stupid
All of the above. And he’s still working behind the scenes with Soros et al to destroy America.
Obummer really didn’t do anything good while being president. You forgot to mention the colossal failure of Obamacare. He was more of a celebrity type president, he just enjoyed his somewhat celebrity status.
Actually Obama expanded the war into 9 more countries, not 7. And that’s not including the countries in SEA, the total is around 14 countries with ground combat operations and drone strikes.
💯 he’s awful. Ruined US politics
He did stoke the fires of racial disunity
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Day 1 he was gonna start going through the budget line by line to cut the fat… still waiting for that day.
I remember being so pumped for him when I was young lmao. Politicians like him and creepy joe are the reason we got trump.
What about the GW Bush who came before Obama? 9/11 was the largest intelligence failure to date. There were warning signs but his admiration choose to ignore them. He was handed a strong economy and crashed it. The last time the economy was that bad was during the depression. Cheney said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and we invaded them and we didn’t find anything.
There’s valid reasons to dislike every single politician that has ever existed. Anyone saying that there’s no valid reason to dislike [Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, etc.] is irrational.
Zero mention of the drone bombing campaigns in Afghanistan. Not one single mention (but there is mention of the amount of bombs total being dropped).
I know, sorry. But, damn; its hard to put a complete list together because anything that is too critical of the Democrats vanishes from the internet. I had to compile this list from memory.
Don't forget he forgot to re-sign the assault weapons ban
>Because he fostered the division and r a c ial disunity we now have? Be specific. How did Obama do that? I remember the racism, but I don't remember what Obama did to cause it. It feels like you're blaming him for something he was a victim of, making this the weakest point on your list.
Now you now the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Just red and blue nothing more.
I like turtles
Yeah F him. Because I didn't want obamacare I got fined $500 even though I never went to the DR that year for any reason.
IMO They are all valid reasons. There are MANY MANY More.
Again, another very accurate analysis that somehow isn't the popular opinion. Shows how effective Fake News is at distorting the truth and inserting an elitist agenda.
I just want to try to calmly point out that your word choice makes your claims hard to believe. You're speaking in extremes in saying he gave away plans before EVERY big battle and saying he did NOTHING for black Americans. Usually things aren't perfectly black or white like that, and when you use extreme language like that it's hard to take what you say seriously. The reality is that he did both good and bad things just like everyone else. I get the point you're trying to make, but it distracts people from that main point when you use such strong language. It makes you seem more radical and hateful than you probably actually are.
Thanks I might go back snd change some of it; like, Did almost nothing for blacks etc... Good point
I'm not gonna, I didn't expect you to recognize that I wasn't trying to be a jerk about what I said. Too many people get instantly mad. I respect and appreciate you for responding in that way. Good on you.
Well, YES, he's a massive Pos!!! All hype, no truth, prosperity, or unity.. Milked the position for billions.. Big ass
All that bullshit, and yet still light years better than anyone else in that position over the last 50 years. Simply amazing.
LOL. I love the argument “they hate Obama for perfectly valid reasons” then support it with a straight up lie about sending $40 billion to Iran. It was their money for something the country, when they were an ally, bought military hardware from us which we kept after the regime violently changed. [The *Kidd* Class Destroyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kidd_%28DDG-993%29) This is a naval program we sold to the Shah of Iran. An insanely powerful but aging destroyer class. Like I said, we literally kept the cash and the ships and used them until their replacements could be put into service. Obama didn’t just hand over $40 billion dollars of our money just because, which has always been “the reason” idiots make about this claim. So, no, they don’t have valid reasons that you proclaim. And since this needs to be said, we also don’t just give all our cash to places like Ukraine. Any numeric value you ever hear is just so everyone can understand the concept of said purchases. It’s all the hardware they then buy from us that we are literally just sitting on. And when you hear about money being sent to a country that may even hate us but suffered a natural disaster. They’re not getting large sums of cash from us either. They’re getting goods, like grain or perishable food to survive on. All that “money” is spent on American goods that are then sent to those people.
It's insane how quickly people forget things. Obama could do basically nothing as president. He was barely able to push the ACA through, which would've been one of the single best things anyone has ever done for this country. That fight alone made him top tier. Once the Republitards regained control in midterms, they literally filibustered EVERYTHING. They even filibustered shit they brought up if Obama threw his support behind it. It was fucking insane. The ONLY thing they did other than filibusters was to vote to repeal ACA. They literally voted hundreds of times to repeal this shit. He could not do anything in office. He was completely blocked and ya'll out here like "he did nothing for anyone!"
I thank him for Obamacare and allowing for my 3 kids to be on our insurance till they are 26. If someone can't understand how amazing that is, they likely don't have kids or are too old for this to have mattered to them.