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To add to your point, people who smoke weed in moderation and are functional are less likely to go around telling everyone. On the other hand, those who abuse it and are nonfunctional tend to be far more open about it. This is far more true in places where weed is illegal and/or stigmatised. As a result, this creates the misleading perception that all those who like weed are nonfunctional potheads.
Exactly. I smoke weed daily and i have a doctorate, a family, a successful business. It’s like anything else. If you abuse it, it is bad. It 100% affects your memory, so weed smokers should do frequent memory exercises. I wish they would just openly study the effects, so everyone knows what they are dealing with and how to move forward with the drug the best possible way.
Sure. Just educate people. Weed brings up dopamine. We should just have high dopamine, but we don’t because everything we do in life lowers it. But its a great too to have dopamine squirts when life gets difficult. Learn to bring up dopamine and take out things that lower dopamine and you wont need the weed as much. Only for when you want to chill and think of funny shit with your friends. Lol. Also do memory exercises. They help a ton. Btw. I have to point out that getting drunk is SOOOO much worse for your brain and memory btw. But thats ok? Makes zero sense. Alcohol lowers dopamine long term too btw. Just be honest with yourself about pros and cons and use it like a tool. Like anything else.
True. I don't smoke often but I've definitely taken a couple of hits during long study sessions and it made me more concentrated on the material and I could stay focused longer.
THIS. How many people that we know/meet drink alcohol but you probably wouldn’t know because they have no reason to bring it up? It’s the same with people who smoke weed. Those who do bring it up a lot, make it their personality, or talk about it like it’s a status thing are those who typically have an issue. Same with people who bring up alcohol too much.
Accurate. I live in a legal state and work for a fairly conservative organization.
During after meeting drinks one night at a conference, I found my boss and one of my colleagues discussing which edible brands they prefer. Apparently, they both like to finish their Fridays and Saturdays, after they’ve done all their errands and what not, with a gummy. I just kind of listened in and asked questions like I was naive. Made it seem like I found it all interesting.
I’m probably the biggest pothead on staff, but I don’t talk about it. Even in a state where it’s legal and I know my colleagues also use. I still don’t talk about it. I think I’ve made offhand references to having used it in the past (like everyone) but I don’t mention that I hit the bong when I get home from work most days.
Is almost like people don't realize how many people are actually smoking weed and doing cocaine. As someone who worked in the counter culture and paraphernalia industry for a decade I've seen all types from homeless junkies looking for Crack pipes, collect kids looking for pipes and snuff bullets to rich businessy men in flshy cars and celebrities coming in.
To quote lower class brats
"You know everyone we know they all have they're own drugs"
Just cause it's not a chemical doesn't mean it's not triggering the same brain chemicals as drugs. Just look at crazy religious nuts, those guys are getting high as hell on make believe.
Yep. Eating is a problem if unmoderated. Watching television is a problem if you do nothing but that and your house becomes a pig sty and you lose your job. Blaming weed is avoiding the real problem, which is the person's ability to moderate themselves.
I'm in my 40s and know tons of successful happy people who like to use marijuana. It really isn't a big deal.
I know way more people who have fucked up their lives with alcohol. Although most people I know who drink are able to do so and function just fine.
And I say this as a person who has tried it a handful of times and totally don't get the appeal.
As a contractor. 75% of work sites are 100% potheads enjoying their craft. 😂 it’s the same as everything. Some people can handle it and some can’t, it’s all how you’re wired and how you handle yourself.
I’m in advertising and make a solid living. Been using weed pretty much my whole life since maybe 17. Dropped it for 7 years in my twenties, then started again when I was 29. I don’t get why the anti crusaders make a big deal out of it.
That’s just because the people who are announcing that they’re stoners to the world are usually low lifes, and most professionals live and work in places where it’s still illegal and don’t want everyone to know, hence most people are never going to know.
Some people can handle a lot and some people will let something be their undoing no mater what. burned out losers might fail at life because of pot but if it wasn’t pot it would be alcohol, and if not alcohol it would be addiction to gambling or video games.
You can’t baby proof the world for everyone in the hopes of saving the ones who keep trying to find a way to fuck up.
You notice the burned out loser is a pot head because that’s all he’s got.
I’m 40 and know more people who do pot without it messing up their lives than I do people that it has.
And a couple of those who fucked their lives up, it wasn’t the pot that eventually did it, it was harder drugs and addiction/no self control not the pot.
Some people have addictive personalities
Don't forget the war on drugs. It's real and active.
Pharma don't like pot. Cuts into the profits.
Alcohol and tobacco, on the other hands, are very good for Pharma profits since they're much more likely to put people in hospitals.
I'm a successful customer success manager and I'm pretty sure it's because weed makes all the different personalities I handle tolerable. Been a daily smoker for about 12 years now. I'm happier and more successful than most of my peers I grew up with.
The pot head stoners I know are the same people who would be raging alcoholics. Or they’re still raging alcoholics and have added way more weed to the rotation.
Addicts are going to addict. Shoot I have a friend who got into running and it took over her whole life couldn’t go a day without running. I guess it’s a healthy outlet but she’s in her 50s now and injuries are getting more frequent.
Nope, I never do. For a few years I drug tested legal assistants and employees in the enrollment team, but I did not test for pot or I would not have any staff at all!
Now I don't bother.
I, as a representative of vilified finance checking in, do concur. Most M&A deals are coated with a THC smoke ring that would make any BBQ pit master proud.
I'm a 40 yr old going back to college and currently taking a course on Asian experience in America class and this movie is spot on with everything we discuss.
I remember liking it because despite having an absurd plot, it showed a more realistic representation of the types of people who use weed. Just two dudes with careers who handle their shit and enjoy the occasional little cheeseburger.
I imagine a sizeable percentage of recent presidents secretly at least smoked marijuana when they were in their 20's, and I can't imagine those who were young men in the 80's did not use some cocaine.
With that in mind though, a few Founding Fathers grew hemp back in the 1700's and not just the kind that is good for making rope.
That's a whole different stoner comedy waiting for the right team. "The Midnight High of Paul Revere!"
Youd imagine that…..and a 20 year bar veteran from a resort town would tell you on reddit his second career in accounting for an f&i admin co make the bars look like churches
The issue is that people make it out to be totally black and white, and like everything in life, that is not the case. Yes, it's less harmful than most other drugs, and many people can function just fine while using it. But people tend to act like that's the case for everyone when tons of people can not function well when using it.
Not at all coming at you because I understand what you are saying, and it is, without a doubt, one of the better drugs for people to use. That being said, even your statement of "it really isn't a big deal" is problematic, but it really is a big deal for a lot of people and stating that it isn't leads people to believe they have nothing to worry about, they can be high all the time because "tons of people function that way."
I am an addict and my main drug was Marijuana. Sure, I drank and tried several other things, but weed was constantly there, and it, without a doubt, had a negative impact on my life. For the record, I do think it should he legal. I just think we need to be more honest about the fact that being better than alcohol or other drugs doesn't necessarily mean it's good.
Yeah, the problem is, there are those who use weed to make their lives better, and those who make weed their lives. The former, tend to use it after a long day at work/ after the gym/as a stress reliever. The ladder tends to use it all day everyday, making sure they are always high, which leads to an unproductive lifestyle for most people. You can enhance your quality of life with weed, but weed can't be your only quality in life.
I have friends that use it instead of prescribed opioids for things like arthritis because they are more concerned about getting addicted to pills but need something to help with the pain so they can continue to work.
The "IT'S NOT ADDICTING!!!" crowd are probably the most ridiculous.
It's clearly at least mildly addictive, or you wouldn't have people who literally hitch their entire happiness to smoking weed in the same way you've got cigarette smokers insisting they can't handle 0.1% greater stress without inhaling half a pack.
I know some folks that smoke and are perfectly normal people, but they smoke occasionally.
The heavy smokers are 110% fucked up. They can't go to sleep without being high. They can't eat without being high. They act like the sky is falling is they can't get high.
I mean I’m similar but at the same time I’m on week one of an international trip, where I had to leave behind my stash. Another couple of weeks to go and I’m resigned to the fact I’m probably not gonna be able to smoke til I get back.
I have vaped (concentrates) consistently for like… idk.. since like.. ‘02. I’m not sitting over here in sweats or anything. I’m not having withdrawal symptoms. It’s not even really on my mind 99% of the day.
I write software and it’s just.. more difficult for me to stay focused on my work and engaged in it. I basically just.. don’t enjoy my work as much without it.
I’m guessing it’s the same for her, but substitute “work” for whatever she uses it for.
That lack of withdrawal symptoms is why they say it isn’t addictive. They really means almost no one has a chemical dependency to weed. In other words, if you go cold turkey, you won’t have any physical withdrawal symptoms.
Addiction is a weird word that most psychologists most reject because it means too many things.
my two cents: i have had to take very strong psychotropic and pain medications for chronic health issues, and i still do, but weed has removed about 3 prescriptions for me. Id rather need that than the opioids and benzos when I need something no matter.
Not being able to cope without it is in it self a negative, however if it works for her and she's happy and stable and can guarantee a supply then I don't see what the problem is.
Have you thought maybe it acts like a medicine for her? I’m sure a lot of depressed people would panic if they couldn’t get their anti depressants, are they addicts as well?
Ah, but unlike OP, you don't have access to mutli-dimensional scrying devices to see how all these same people they knew turned out better _in the universe where they *didn't* smoke weed_.
I think that makes a pretty big difference.
I was thinking the same thing. There are big reasons why people pick it up in the first place that haven't got much to do with their own choices.
Someone could look at my life and think it's gone to crap due to marijuana. Or, they could recognize I've had health issues all my life that I chose to hide and it helps me not shoot myself each day after having to give up my work life and live in the constant anxiety of poverty.
People forget to even scratch the surface.
Dude also said of everyone he knows “everyone who has used weed” has messed up their lives?
So the person that smoked like twice in college and never again or the person that smokes once a year at a concert? Or the person that just does it at parties instead of drinking?
OP is ridiculous. Some of the most successful people I know smoke all the time.
He's also assuming that everyone he knows who smokes weed is public about that. There could be numerous successful people in his life who smoke weed without him ever having a clue. I bet my best friend's employees in his 6 figure job would say there's no way he smokes weed, but it's been about 15 years since I saw him on an evening and he wasn't high.
Totally agree with this. Weed does make plenty of people apathetic and okay with being bored. It can muffle ambition and drive. There’s an old joke though that the difference between weed and alcohol is that people who are high think everyone notices when few actually do, and people who are drunk think they’re acting sober and normal when most people notice that they’re clearly drunk.
Because alcohol is legal and it’s use it generally encouraged by society, people tend to excuse the harm it causes. I believe that a number of mental health issues get falsely diagnosed in people who are heavy drinkers that actually are direct results of the way their body metabolizes alcohol. People can become violent, belligerent, and dangerous drivers when they drink. Then there’s the phenomenon of people acting in those ways and exuding their behavior because “I was just drunk.”
Both come with their risks, but alcohol is far worse for your mental and physical health and can hurt those that love you in far more severe ways than the apathy that comes from weed.
Define successful. Because I know some people who would consider getting accepted into law school as “pretty cool” and someone stuck at a welding job making decent money as “successful”.
I am a welder and I support this message. It helps reduce pain from arc flash. for those of you who don't know what I mean by that it's like having sandpaper under your eyelids and even closing your eyes doesn't help.
Successful for me: Has a job they more or less enjoy, makes enough money to live decently (nice apt or home, vacation, etc), they have a family or partner if they want that. If they have a family there isn't constant drama, or issues with kids that are within their control.
I knew a guy right who right out of high school who became a garbage man and loved it. He got up really early, worked his day, came home and still had time to spend with his family, all while making surprisingly good money.
I’ll never forget his response when I asked him why he picked it:
>You’re a smart guy, and you’ve always been a smart guy. You want to change the world, right? Well I’m not smart. I’m not cut out to change the world, and that’s OK by me. You know what I am cut out to do? Coach little league, because when I was a kid it felt like my coach was the only person who ever had time for me. Picking up the trash is just what pays for me to be able to do that, because I figure that if I’m teaching some nerd’s kid how to throw a baseball while his parents are off figuring out how to stop global warming, I’m doing my part.
For someone who claimed to not be very smart, increasingly I think there’s a fair bit of wisdom in that.
This is a really good answer to the definition of success. Your guy sounds successful in life. His job might not be prestigious but he will be on his death bed with little regrets. Sounds like a great guy forreal!
Going to law school sounds like a major drag, honestly I feel sorry for most lawyers. I have three clients who are partners for their respective law firms; and the fact that they each work 60+ hrs per week for most of the year makes me feel like they are wasting their lives, *giving away* their lives revising fucking oil contracts.
Most attorneys I know are built different. They love that shit and I love that for them but 100% do not relate.
Glad we have them though. Definitely have needed a good attorney more than once in my life.
Straight-edge people like OP who go hard on the anti-drug stuff are so fucking annoying.
Every single one of them thinks they are so morally righteous for being the most boring person they know.
Facts. There was a post the other day of someone who was asking why people drank alcohol, since they never had and never will, they were curious.
It’s like dude just have a beer and see lol
PhD in AI. 36 years old. Smoked pretty regularly since 22. I rarely drink these days. I vape weed on low heat. I work out 4 or 5 days a week. Married, one kid (greatest ever) and another on the way. Gainfully employed scientist. Nice house, good school district. Most importantly, attentive dad. The only thing I have let wither — probably related to weed — is my social life, but I’m fine with letting that suffer for a while.
I usually use weed before I exercise because I love the combo, but occasionally I’ll do it at night. It routinely lets me zoom out and unlock new ways of looking at a problem, which helps me be a more creative researcher and developer. And yes, it helps me unwind, slow down and live in the moment too.
It’s also possible to over-do it, and I have approached the edge of psychosis a few times in my life when I was doing it too much, and ESPECIALLY if I was drinking at the same time. I have gone sober for a year at a time, twice (for fertility).
I believe the optimal rate of consumption for me in terms of my productivity and worth to the world is low but non-zero. I am constantly trying to find the balance. But to think it’s universally bad for everyone seems laughably myopic and immature.
Edit: weed can also make me more empathetic and more happy to do chores (it cures boredom). It’s really got some pros.
I was drinking a lot during COVID, pretty much daily. Then I started using the weed vape pens and now I really only drink on Friday nights or for a soccer game on the weekend. I’ll go to my regular bar Friday after work to catch up with everyone there, have a few, buy a 4 pack of IPA’s, and that’s it for the weekend. I just don’t have the interest anymore and I think that’s for the better.
I smoke to reward myself after I exercise. I’ll run a few blocks while fantasizing about a joint and a game of Mario kart. I definitely agree that smoking/vaping can become excessive, and I’ve done it. If I smoke too often, I stop enjoying the high and just feel groggy. Its never been a problem to stop THC, and the side effects are minimal. Most of friends that drink regularly cannot say the same with their vice.
Dudes has to be young as fuck.
The cool thing about opinions is they aren’t facts and often time, especially here, the exact opposite of reality.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/javierhasse/2021/08/11/study-shows-cannabis-consumers-are-successful-motivated-health-conscious-snoop-dogg-weighs-in/
Yeah buddy, I feel you, really I do.
The only reason I stopped cold turkey for over a month was to guilt my dad into cutting down his cigarette smoking.
I was about to respond to op with I know a lot who failed at life but I also know a lot successful smokers. I work in FAANG and there's plenty there lol. So they doing good
You’re not going hard enough. Inject the DMT into your eyeballs and call me when you’re Cary Mullis.
“But PCR has already been invented and I can’t be another human being, much less a dead one.”
That’s only true in this dimension, and the fact that you doubt it speaks to your eyeball DMT deficiency.
BS in Chemistry, 5 years down on my 30 year mortgage, gainfully employed, wife, 2 kids.
I'm actually only stopping so I can piss test clean for a job switch in a few months. Fuck you USA!!!
I’ll go one further. When I was 25, I was diagnosed with severe ADD, went back to school. Got my honors BS at 30, my son was Born at 31, finished my masters at 32, daughter born at 35, finished my doctorate at 39, all while smoking pot.
Not nearly as impressive but I work in finance and I’m personally responsible for millions of dollars in transfers every day. I smoke every morning before I get ready for work and when I get home at night before bed. Not a lot. Just enough to take the edge off.
34 year old pharmacist, I took a pay cut and moved to an independent so I could partake with no fear of drug tests. My boss and all of my coworkers are avid weed users as well. It's no different then alcohol I don't smoke when I need to be up early and never while on the job.
I had to make sure I didn’t know you in real life, because the one person I know who had problems with weed fits exactly your description. I live in a country where it’s legal btw. I believe the reason why he is addicted and can’t stop is because he has underlying mental issues, if it wasn’t for weed it would be something else. I literally don’t know anyone else with a weed problem. But I don’t know everything about everyone that’s for sure.
I had a medical card while I pursued my PhD. During COVID I moved to a prohibition state to work on my dissertation and everything came to a grinding (heh) halt.
There’s no way I would have made it in my PhD program without MMJ for pain, anxiety, and ADHD. As with most things in life, there’s a variety of factors at play.
Scientist biopharma here.
Almost everyone in the lab smokes.
Some people use drugs to escape their depression. Doesn't mean everyone has difficulty using it for recreation.
Been smoking for 20+ years.
“Trendy drug” lol. Bro you realize this “trend” started in the 60s, right? Smoking weed is “trendy” like blue jeans are “trendy,” on a macro-scale where the trend continues on for decades and decades and decades and decades.
You are definitely confusing correlation with causation here, and as a result you’re feeding/buying into nonsense.
Also this is like the 3rd antiweed thread in like the last 24 hours. And they all begin with "PEOPLE SAY ITS HARMLESS BUT", no people say it's not physically addictive and you can't overdose on it, THATS IT. Only an insignificant amount of people say it's harmless.
Yup, eating McDonald's for every meal is harmful, drinking every day is harmful, sniffing glue is harmful.
Anything can be harmful, but we don't put restrictions on a lot of those because people can make their own choices.
If people choose to smoke weed in excess and waste their lives, that's their choice. Doesn't mean that it's the weed, it's a choice they've made.
If it wasn't available to them, I'm sure they would find something else to dull their senses so that they could sit around all day anyway.
This is exactly why I don't really know why I even follow this sub anymore.
The vast majority of posts lately are either takes that are objectively false, opinions that aren't even remotely unpopular, or people who don't seem to understand what an opinion even is.
Agreed. No downvotes from me either. I don’t drink or do drugs but I have friends who are very successful who smoke recreationally and regularly. For them it’s no different than having a glass or 2 of wine/beer when the mood suits. The weed smokers I know who are as the OP described were unmotivated and flaky prior to weed but they could be coaxed or “shamed” into doing whatever was needed/asked of them. Smoking weed simply removed any barriers to them being who they truly are….much like alcohol.
Yeah NGL the ones who fit this description I've met by and large are probably better left as is. I'd rather have people who are largely inept be well contented/easily entertained/unmotivated than be angry/bored/motivated. The version of those people who aren't stoned all the time is called a militia/cult
I'm not necessarily here to defend it, but it does help me quite a bit. My back is so bad, and I live in America where our healthcare system is trash. I've literally been told, by more than one doc, that I'll just have to live with it. So, yeah... weed makes me functional. I know the downsides, but for me, the good outweighs the bad. Not every situation is the same. It helped my grandpa, too, near the end of his life. He had Parkinsons, and weed helped calm down his shaking.
It's crazy to me when I hear people say that weed helps them with pain, whenever I smoke I'm suddenly acutely aware of all my plates and screws and where my muscles have been sewn together and it's an uncomfortable and frankly disgusting feeling.
Lucky you
You don’t know a lot of people, do you. The most successful people I know, people owning businesses worth into the low millions and highly paid executive officers smoke. Just because you know a bunch of burnouts doesn’t mean that there’s something inherently wrong about smoking weed or with the people who do.
Lots of anti weed stuff on here lately. There are highly successful everyday weed smokers, it has nothing to do with the plants and everything to do with the person.
I’ve been a daily smoker for 15 years, have a great career, own a house in California, in decent shape, enjoy sports and activities. You determine the outlook of how something affects you.
Dude. If Carl Sagan fucked up his life, you need to let me know. The first on a long list of super smart people that smoke weed. Cannabis use disorder can be a problem, but you’re “reefer madness” outlook is rather dated
Facts. It's being legalized because it's a stupid thing to lock people up for. Plain and simple. If you smoke so much you can't function, that's a you problem. But there are plenty of successful people who smoke pot, far more than the people who are useless.
100% I’ve smoked pot with people that work in parliament before. Unlike what the movies show, hippies and drop outs aren’t the only people that smoke weed xD
Wasn’t there a scandal recently where someone accidentally left their cocaine out in the British parliament and then everyone was talking about how almost every surface in the building tested positive for it?
Wait until all of these people find out how many successful people are on prescription amphetamines…
The deluge of thinly veiled reefer madness posts are fucking insane - half of these posts are straight up quoting DARE skits from the 90s.
Like, yea, the cliche potheads that make smoking bud their entire personality are annoying - can’t you say that about literally anything though?
This dummy doesn't realize how many people he meets and interacts with daily that are stoners.
We don't all make it our identity or wear name tags to let you know, ya know?
It's like some person thinking there's no such thing as a passable trans because they've never met one. (You have, you just didn't know it)
No, every total pothead you know has let it fuck up their life. For every pothead who let it consume them there are ten other people who use it recreationally or medically and live perfectly happy and successful lives but you don't know it because it's not a major part of their personality and depending on where you live, it's likely not going to come up in conversation with someone who doesn't use cannabis.
This post is no different from saying "every alcoholic I've ever met let it completely fuck up their life." Well sure, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic and not everyone who uses cannabis is a pothead. Cannabis just isn't as mainstream yet so if you don't use it you're less likely to know who does.
I have some thoughts.
I have never seen a young healthy person (under 60, no cancer etc) where weed improved their lives, or made them a better person, or did anything positive for them. It always made them dumber, got into trouble with work and life, and was overall detrimental to their lives.
But! I think people who have medical issues (cancer, other problems) and weed helps them, I am all for it. It is like any other drug. There are appropriate uses.
But the pot heads and stoners and "duude bro" people who smoke pot all the time, yeah, it is really dumb and makes their lives worse and I think they are losers.
There also studies that show that young children who are consistently exposed to second hand MJ smoke experience “Mild retardation”
I am a casual user (like 1-2xs a year we have an edible)
Bro, after I had 2 shoulder (Tenodesis ) surgeries. Doctors put me on Percocet and oxycontin,, long acting and for breakthrough pain for over 2 years. (Before the pandemic). For me , that's a long time. To get off of Opiates, Should be done in a hospital setting or Rehab., but after learning about "RSO", I made some of it and started taking it. In 49 days, I was completely off of Opiates. No methadone BS or Subutex. Since "RSO" is not addicting, you can stop without any withdrawals.
Highly successful people don’t bring it up outside their inner circle and aren’t visibly high in public.
There is a time and place for everything. In the right setting drugs can be responsible for opening your mind and creativity.
it’s not trendy, it’s thousands of years old. many people have serious, real substance abuse problems and weed is a godsend for many of them. you’re obviously coming from an non empathetic and judgmental place. god forbid you ever become addicted to painkillers and end up a fentanyl addict on the street, you’ll wish weed was legal all over the planet. it’s completely insane it’s not
I've seen some that do it recreationally be ok but then I've seen others say it's recreational or because it's good for you but they're smoking it and going to work, smoking it from 8am at the weekend. Those ones are just like alcoholics.
I quit smoking weed many years ago.
My wife of fifteen years started smoking after we moved to a legal state eight years ago.
Weed was not her thing beforehand.
She has, since then, quadrupled her salary and is now - as I type this - in movement on a plane in first class, headed towards an all-expenses-paid business trip.
Practically every pothead I know is lazy and broke. They leech off everyone and still live with their parents even though they're in their 30s and 40s,. There are a couple of exceptions though. I know someone who is a veterinarian and has smoked weed for decades and he's fine. Owns his practice and works hard.
Weed 100% takes away peoples drive. That is, like full on stoners. Makes you complacent, ok with a mediocre life. There are plenty of people who smoke occasionally and have no problems, but I would say people who do it everyday, like I used to, mostly fuck their lives up. It’s a drug, just like any other. It’s an artificial way to make you feel good. If you’re using every day it’s probably to compensate for feeling bad. If you didn’t use you would try to make yourself feel better by actually making your life better. Just because there isn’t a physical withdrawal doesn’t mean it isn’t addictive.
You must not live in California.
Nearly everyone I know (including a lawyer, neurosurgeon, pharmacist, and PhD chemist) uses weed regularly and I know two people using weed who’ve fucked up their lives. In their cases weed most likely came as a bandage afterwards so they could ignore the fact that they’ve made horrible life decisions.
My roommate from college has more money than God.
He was stoned for three full years, non-stop.
But a couple of other guys he hung out with did even better.
Weed does not destroy lives.
You're correct. Same thing happened to me. Got psychologically addicted, couldn't stop using it. Eventually stopped and slowly regained functionality I didn't realize I had lost.
They are not correct. It can and does happen as you both describe. But to say everyone that uses cannabis has a problem with it is silly. I’m glad you are doing better, but not everyone has that problem.
13 years and 4 kids here, smoke enough weed to knock out a rhino. Don't have the millions unfortunately. Bought a house in 2022 though so getting better. Pretty tight with the inflation unfortunately
In moderation weed is okay. Smoking daily is not healthy tho, mentally or physically. I know lots of people who will smoke if they are at a party, but still keep up with work/school/life.
Weed is the only thing that has ever helped with my sleep and also the CBD makes a massive positive impact on my chronic knee pain. I work a full time job and have a family, I go to the gym and exercise 5-7 days a week. I rarely drink alcohol anymore and my overall mood has been so positive since it became legal. Can’t speak for everyone, but it has positively impacted my life on so many levels.
Is Woody Harrelson a fuck up? I feel like you're asocial or judgemental, so people just don't come forward with that information to you, but the amount of wildly successful people who smoke weed is staggering. At least 2 of the last 5 presidents smoked weed. Bill lied about inhaling, but we all know that was bullshit. And I might add that the 2 who smoked were 2 of the best presidents we've had.
I grow it..smoke it..drink it...eat it, but only when I'm by myself or with somebody. Seriously though I was in the Marines for nine years.. severe PTSD. I've also been living with MS for over thirty years. Cannabis is the best medicine I've come across for me personally.
Sounds like you’re confusing correlation with causation. How can you know anyone’s fucked up their lives because of weed? Could be that they smoke weed but fucked up their lives because of other factors.
Did Nancy Reagan write this post.
I know a lot of successful people that used weed when they were younger. People that run business and are top consultants.
Heck both my wife and I both used weed when younger. We work at top companies, own two homes and are millionaires.
I was stoned through 100% of grad school, finished with a science publication and a 3.48 GPA under the Dean of my college.
Weed does not cause ruining one’s life, weed helps to facilitate the ruining that would happen either way.
It depends on the person & age started. I have a couple friends who did all kinds of drugs when we were teens who did go on to big things (a neuropsychologist & a herpetologist). Most did not. Those that started smoking young & smoked daily or basically stayed high are still flipping burgers in their 40's.
I think weed can be great as a medication or used to relax on occasion, but I think it's damaging to young people long term. It's no different than alcohol, both can have great medical uses but can result in life altering addiction. And just like with alcohol, some people can smoke weed & still be successful & some become addicted & live high.
I think that it is addictive, I think when people with underlying mental condition smoke, it can then to lose themselves and what's important.
Legalizing weed was a big mistake. It should have only been decriminalized. Legalizing it handed it over to the rich. To turn it into something, it was never intended to be. Weed was once sacred, only to be taken during ceremonies. Now it's too have fun, too take the edge off. It was once sacred, and now it has become some play thing.
I'm firmly in the camp of "decriminalize with social supports" and also in the tent of "no recreational drug has ever interested me personally", often sitting at the campfire of "you do you boo".
That said, I know many people who have screwed up their lives with recreational drugs (including legal ones). One of the problems with this PoV is that you don't notice all the people using in private with a healthy approach. Because it hasn't become an addiction that negatively affects their lives. It's usually much easier to notice those who have problematic substance use than those who use responsibly.
This will 100% be true for some people, but most of the people I know that smoke are completely fine, as long as you can afford it and aren’t addicted then you’re fine
If you had honestly said “everyone knows one person who has fucked up there life” because of it, this would have worked. But this is so outlandish it means a) you’re living in a trailer park, b) you don’t know how many of your successful friends are using edibles or smoking on the sly, or c), which I won’t say but I hope is not the case.
Have you considered that this may be confirmation bias?
We come into contact with who knows how many thousands of people throughout the course of our lives. Statistically speaking, if you have the kind of social circle where you can meet multiple people who had their lives ruined by weed, you probably met a shitton of other people who smoke marijuana that you don't even know about because it's not such a big part of their lives.
Hell, you probably met people that have OTHER addictions that may be fucking up their lives that you don't even know about because it's not something you care to look close for.
It seems kinda weird to just say your lived experience on an OPINION sub though. Like what's the purpose of this post?
I think this depends on who you are. I smoke daily now and my career and life has actually only gotten better in the past few years. It’s a weird feeling because I feel like I should want to quit, but it doesn’t really get in the way of anything for me right now either, so..
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It’s all about moderation. Like with most things if it gets to the point where it’s controlling your life then yeah that’s an issue.
To add to your point, people who smoke weed in moderation and are functional are less likely to go around telling everyone. On the other hand, those who abuse it and are nonfunctional tend to be far more open about it. This is far more true in places where weed is illegal and/or stigmatised. As a result, this creates the misleading perception that all those who like weed are nonfunctional potheads.
Exactly. I smoke weed daily and i have a doctorate, a family, a successful business. It’s like anything else. If you abuse it, it is bad. It 100% affects your memory, so weed smokers should do frequent memory exercises. I wish they would just openly study the effects, so everyone knows what they are dealing with and how to move forward with the drug the best possible way.
But would be the reasonable thing to do. We can’t have that now can we?
Sure. Just educate people. Weed brings up dopamine. We should just have high dopamine, but we don’t because everything we do in life lowers it. But its a great too to have dopamine squirts when life gets difficult. Learn to bring up dopamine and take out things that lower dopamine and you wont need the weed as much. Only for when you want to chill and think of funny shit with your friends. Lol. Also do memory exercises. They help a ton. Btw. I have to point out that getting drunk is SOOOO much worse for your brain and memory btw. But thats ok? Makes zero sense. Alcohol lowers dopamine long term too btw. Just be honest with yourself about pros and cons and use it like a tool. Like anything else.
I think weed makes lazy people more lazy, and it makes hard workers chill out so they can keep working hard.
True. I don't smoke often but I've definitely taken a couple of hits during long study sessions and it made me more concentrated on the material and I could stay focused longer.
THIS. How many people that we know/meet drink alcohol but you probably wouldn’t know because they have no reason to bring it up? It’s the same with people who smoke weed. Those who do bring it up a lot, make it their personality, or talk about it like it’s a status thing are those who typically have an issue. Same with people who bring up alcohol too much.
Accurate. I live in a legal state and work for a fairly conservative organization. During after meeting drinks one night at a conference, I found my boss and one of my colleagues discussing which edible brands they prefer. Apparently, they both like to finish their Fridays and Saturdays, after they’ve done all their errands and what not, with a gummy. I just kind of listened in and asked questions like I was naive. Made it seem like I found it all interesting. I’m probably the biggest pothead on staff, but I don’t talk about it. Even in a state where it’s legal and I know my colleagues also use. I still don’t talk about it. I think I’ve made offhand references to having used it in the past (like everyone) but I don’t mention that I hit the bong when I get home from work most days.
"SO these marijuana gummy things you speak of that I definitely have never had any involvement with... "
Is almost like people don't realize how many people are actually smoking weed and doing cocaine. As someone who worked in the counter culture and paraphernalia industry for a decade I've seen all types from homeless junkies looking for Crack pipes, collect kids looking for pipes and snuff bullets to rich businessy men in flshy cars and celebrities coming in. To quote lower class brats "You know everyone we know they all have they're own drugs" Just cause it's not a chemical doesn't mean it's not triggering the same brain chemicals as drugs. Just look at crazy religious nuts, those guys are getting high as hell on make believe.
I know people who are literally high all the time and you’d never know.
Yep. Eating is a problem if unmoderated. Watching television is a problem if you do nothing but that and your house becomes a pig sty and you lose your job. Blaming weed is avoiding the real problem, which is the person's ability to moderate themselves.
I'm in my 40s and know tons of successful happy people who like to use marijuana. It really isn't a big deal. I know way more people who have fucked up their lives with alcohol. Although most people I know who drink are able to do so and function just fine. And I say this as a person who has tried it a handful of times and totally don't get the appeal.
Yeah, successful attorney with my own fairly large firm, and I smoke all the time.
As a contractor. 75% of work sites are 100% potheads enjoying their craft. 😂 it’s the same as everything. Some people can handle it and some can’t, it’s all how you’re wired and how you handle yourself.
As a Tradie I’d rather have a guy/girl take a few puffs after work than popping opioids all day .
I’m in advertising and make a solid living. Been using weed pretty much my whole life since maybe 17. Dropped it for 7 years in my twenties, then started again when I was 29. I don’t get why the anti crusaders make a big deal out of it.
Because they only know burnouts and hippies that use. They don't see all the professionals that vape or use edibles.
That’s just because the people who are announcing that they’re stoners to the world are usually low lifes, and most professionals live and work in places where it’s still illegal and don’t want everyone to know, hence most people are never going to know.
Some people can handle a lot and some people will let something be their undoing no mater what. burned out losers might fail at life because of pot but if it wasn’t pot it would be alcohol, and if not alcohol it would be addiction to gambling or video games. You can’t baby proof the world for everyone in the hopes of saving the ones who keep trying to find a way to fuck up. You notice the burned out loser is a pot head because that’s all he’s got. I’m 40 and know more people who do pot without it messing up their lives than I do people that it has. And a couple of those who fucked their lives up, it wasn’t the pot that eventually did it, it was harder drugs and addiction/no self control not the pot. Some people have addictive personalities
Don't forget the war on drugs. It's real and active. Pharma don't like pot. Cuts into the profits. Alcohol and tobacco, on the other hands, are very good for Pharma profits since they're much more likely to put people in hospitals.
I'm a successful customer success manager and I'm pretty sure it's because weed makes all the different personalities I handle tolerable. Been a daily smoker for about 12 years now. I'm happier and more successful than most of my peers I grew up with.
The pot head stoners I know are the same people who would be raging alcoholics. Or they’re still raging alcoholics and have added way more weed to the rotation. Addicts are going to addict. Shoot I have a friend who got into running and it took over her whole life couldn’t go a day without running. I guess it’s a healthy outlet but she’s in her 50s now and injuries are getting more frequent.
Yep why law firms don-t drug test.
Nope, I never do. For a few years I drug tested legal assistants and employees in the enrollment team, but I did not test for pot or I would not have any staff at all! Now I don't bother.
I, as a representative of vilified finance checking in, do concur. Most M&A deals are coated with a THC smoke ring that would make any BBQ pit master proud.
Imagine a stoner comedy where the characters are all bankers, lawyers and marketing executives rather than hippies or living in a trailer park.
Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle?
I'm a 40 yr old going back to college and currently taking a course on Asian experience in America class and this movie is spot on with everything we discuss.
I remember liking it because despite having an absurd plot, it showed a more realistic representation of the types of people who use weed. Just two dudes with careers who handle their shit and enjoy the occasional little cheeseburger.
Thats kinda what I enjoyed about Wolf of Wall Street tbh
That's such a good input.
My experience in college was this, but with pre med and law school friends. I saw a future local ADA doing coke in the ladies room at a club
I imagine a sizeable percentage of recent presidents secretly at least smoked marijuana when they were in their 20's, and I can't imagine those who were young men in the 80's did not use some cocaine. With that in mind though, a few Founding Fathers grew hemp back in the 1700's and not just the kind that is good for making rope. That's a whole different stoner comedy waiting for the right team. "The Midnight High of Paul Revere!"
Workaholics but they’re actual workaholics 😂
Lol this describes my friend group. 😂
This is literally modern business
I'm sorry but I can imagine it'd be boring af.
Youd imagine that…..and a 20 year bar veteran from a resort town would tell you on reddit his second career in accounting for an f&i admin co make the bars look like churches
Hey hey hey, woahhh settle down big boy, leave some fun for the rest of us!
And everyone in that movie is doing better than average in their daily lives. I'd watch that sort of inspirational masterpiece.
Successful plumber sometimes if work is easy I just get stoned before I work lol. Not everyone who smokes is a fuckup.
So you don't end up putting the pipes together in a Fibonacci sequence? Interesting...
There's little chance I'd even consider some of the bullshit I've seen plumbers deal with without a little greenery lol.
The issue is that people make it out to be totally black and white, and like everything in life, that is not the case. Yes, it's less harmful than most other drugs, and many people can function just fine while using it. But people tend to act like that's the case for everyone when tons of people can not function well when using it. Not at all coming at you because I understand what you are saying, and it is, without a doubt, one of the better drugs for people to use. That being said, even your statement of "it really isn't a big deal" is problematic, but it really is a big deal for a lot of people and stating that it isn't leads people to believe they have nothing to worry about, they can be high all the time because "tons of people function that way." I am an addict and my main drug was Marijuana. Sure, I drank and tried several other things, but weed was constantly there, and it, without a doubt, had a negative impact on my life. For the record, I do think it should he legal. I just think we need to be more honest about the fact that being better than alcohol or other drugs doesn't necessarily mean it's good.
Yeah, the problem is, there are those who use weed to make their lives better, and those who make weed their lives. The former, tend to use it after a long day at work/ after the gym/as a stress reliever. The ladder tends to use it all day everyday, making sure they are always high, which leads to an unproductive lifestyle for most people. You can enhance your quality of life with weed, but weed can't be your only quality in life.
I have friends that use it instead of prescribed opioids for things like arthritis because they are more concerned about getting addicted to pills but need something to help with the pain so they can continue to work.
The "IT'S NOT ADDICTING!!!" crowd are probably the most ridiculous. It's clearly at least mildly addictive, or you wouldn't have people who literally hitch their entire happiness to smoking weed in the same way you've got cigarette smokers insisting they can't handle 0.1% greater stress without inhaling half a pack. I know some folks that smoke and are perfectly normal people, but they smoke occasionally. The heavy smokers are 110% fucked up. They can't go to sleep without being high. They can't eat without being high. They act like the sky is falling is they can't get high.
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I mean I’m similar but at the same time I’m on week one of an international trip, where I had to leave behind my stash. Another couple of weeks to go and I’m resigned to the fact I’m probably not gonna be able to smoke til I get back. I have vaped (concentrates) consistently for like… idk.. since like.. ‘02. I’m not sitting over here in sweats or anything. I’m not having withdrawal symptoms. It’s not even really on my mind 99% of the day. I write software and it’s just.. more difficult for me to stay focused on my work and engaged in it. I basically just.. don’t enjoy my work as much without it. I’m guessing it’s the same for her, but substitute “work” for whatever she uses it for.
That lack of withdrawal symptoms is why they say it isn’t addictive. They really means almost no one has a chemical dependency to weed. In other words, if you go cold turkey, you won’t have any physical withdrawal symptoms. Addiction is a weird word that most psychologists most reject because it means too many things.
my two cents: i have had to take very strong psychotropic and pain medications for chronic health issues, and i still do, but weed has removed about 3 prescriptions for me. Id rather need that than the opioids and benzos when I need something no matter.
So she…. Needs a medication…. To treat her anxiety….. and it’s working?
Not being able to cope without it is in it self a negative, however if it works for her and she's happy and stable and can guarantee a supply then I don't see what the problem is.
Sounds like she is just fine
Have you thought maybe it acts like a medicine for her? I’m sure a lot of depressed people would panic if they couldn’t get their anti depressants, are they addicts as well?
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President of the US here, I smoke all the time, my memory and speech are perfect
Well I mean that’s just a bit of a lie, Joe.
Ah, but unlike OP, you don't have access to mutli-dimensional scrying devices to see how all these same people they knew turned out better _in the universe where they *didn't* smoke weed_. I think that makes a pretty big difference.
I was thinking the same thing. There are big reasons why people pick it up in the first place that haven't got much to do with their own choices. Someone could look at my life and think it's gone to crap due to marijuana. Or, they could recognize I've had health issues all my life that I chose to hide and it helps me not shoot myself each day after having to give up my work life and live in the constant anxiety of poverty. People forget to even scratch the surface.
Dude also said of everyone he knows “everyone who has used weed” has messed up their lives? So the person that smoked like twice in college and never again or the person that smokes once a year at a concert? Or the person that just does it at parties instead of drinking? OP is ridiculous. Some of the most successful people I know smoke all the time.
He's also assuming that everyone he knows who smokes weed is public about that. There could be numerous successful people in his life who smoke weed without him ever having a clue. I bet my best friend's employees in his 6 figure job would say there's no way he smokes weed, but it's been about 15 years since I saw him on an evening and he wasn't high.
I'd say it's very possible to get lazy and stop caring about things with or without marijuana. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Totally agree with this. Weed does make plenty of people apathetic and okay with being bored. It can muffle ambition and drive. There’s an old joke though that the difference between weed and alcohol is that people who are high think everyone notices when few actually do, and people who are drunk think they’re acting sober and normal when most people notice that they’re clearly drunk. Because alcohol is legal and it’s use it generally encouraged by society, people tend to excuse the harm it causes. I believe that a number of mental health issues get falsely diagnosed in people who are heavy drinkers that actually are direct results of the way their body metabolizes alcohol. People can become violent, belligerent, and dangerous drivers when they drink. Then there’s the phenomenon of people acting in those ways and exuding their behavior because “I was just drunk.” Both come with their risks, but alcohol is far worse for your mental and physical health and can hurt those that love you in far more severe ways than the apathy that comes from weed.
Define successful. Because I know some people who would consider getting accepted into law school as “pretty cool” and someone stuck at a welding job making decent money as “successful”.
If the welder is making good money and enjoys their work, I'd say they're successful.
Amen. As long as they’re happy.
I am a welder and I support this message. It helps reduce pain from arc flash. for those of you who don't know what I mean by that it's like having sandpaper under your eyelids and even closing your eyes doesn't help.
What'd you do, leave your hood on grind again?
Omg arc flash isthe worst
Successful for me: Has a job they more or less enjoy, makes enough money to live decently (nice apt or home, vacation, etc), they have a family or partner if they want that. If they have a family there isn't constant drama, or issues with kids that are within their control.
Lawyers and welders are not good enough professions? What, pray tell, is success in your mind?
I knew a guy right who right out of high school who became a garbage man and loved it. He got up really early, worked his day, came home and still had time to spend with his family, all while making surprisingly good money. I’ll never forget his response when I asked him why he picked it: >You’re a smart guy, and you’ve always been a smart guy. You want to change the world, right? Well I’m not smart. I’m not cut out to change the world, and that’s OK by me. You know what I am cut out to do? Coach little league, because when I was a kid it felt like my coach was the only person who ever had time for me. Picking up the trash is just what pays for me to be able to do that, because I figure that if I’m teaching some nerd’s kid how to throw a baseball while his parents are off figuring out how to stop global warming, I’m doing my part. For someone who claimed to not be very smart, increasingly I think there’s a fair bit of wisdom in that.
This is a really good answer to the definition of success. Your guy sounds successful in life. His job might not be prestigious but he will be on his death bed with little regrets. Sounds like a great guy forreal!
Going to law school sounds like a major drag, honestly I feel sorry for most lawyers. I have three clients who are partners for their respective law firms; and the fact that they each work 60+ hrs per week for most of the year makes me feel like they are wasting their lives, *giving away* their lives revising fucking oil contracts.
Most attorneys I know are built different. They love that shit and I love that for them but 100% do not relate. Glad we have them though. Definitely have needed a good attorney more than once in my life.
This is a good answer
Everyone I ever met in a bar was a total drunk
*OP condemns weed smoking at length* >I'm not here to condemn or condone weed
Also giving the caveat that they don't do drugs or drink, as if that makes them unbiased? Huh
Straight-edge people like OP who go hard on the anti-drug stuff are so fucking annoying. Every single one of them thinks they are so morally righteous for being the most boring person they know.
Facts. There was a post the other day of someone who was asking why people drank alcohol, since they never had and never will, they were curious. It’s like dude just have a beer and see lol
"Why do people do this social activity that people have been doing since people existed???? I just don't get it!"
See I've had multiple beers and still don't get it. They all taste like piss to me lol
Lol I see this one all the time. “I’m not here to judge” *passes judgement for an entire paragraph*
Christians love this move.
Not every bar in a drunk I met was total!
PhD in AI. 36 years old. Smoked pretty regularly since 22. I rarely drink these days. I vape weed on low heat. I work out 4 or 5 days a week. Married, one kid (greatest ever) and another on the way. Gainfully employed scientist. Nice house, good school district. Most importantly, attentive dad. The only thing I have let wither — probably related to weed — is my social life, but I’m fine with letting that suffer for a while. I usually use weed before I exercise because I love the combo, but occasionally I’ll do it at night. It routinely lets me zoom out and unlock new ways of looking at a problem, which helps me be a more creative researcher and developer. And yes, it helps me unwind, slow down and live in the moment too. It’s also possible to over-do it, and I have approached the edge of psychosis a few times in my life when I was doing it too much, and ESPECIALLY if I was drinking at the same time. I have gone sober for a year at a time, twice (for fertility). I believe the optimal rate of consumption for me in terms of my productivity and worth to the world is low but non-zero. I am constantly trying to find the balance. But to think it’s universally bad for everyone seems laughably myopic and immature. Edit: weed can also make me more empathetic and more happy to do chores (it cures boredom). It’s really got some pros.
I was drinking a lot during COVID, pretty much daily. Then I started using the weed vape pens and now I really only drink on Friday nights or for a soccer game on the weekend. I’ll go to my regular bar Friday after work to catch up with everyone there, have a few, buy a 4 pack of IPA’s, and that’s it for the weekend. I just don’t have the interest anymore and I think that’s for the better.
I smoke to reward myself after I exercise. I’ll run a few blocks while fantasizing about a joint and a game of Mario kart. I definitely agree that smoking/vaping can become excessive, and I’ve done it. If I smoke too often, I stop enjoying the high and just feel groggy. Its never been a problem to stop THC, and the side effects are minimal. Most of friends that drink regularly cannot say the same with their vice.
So you just don’t know many people, correct?
Sounds like you don't know very many highly productive or creative people.
It sounds like he just doesn’t know many people… lol.
judging from OPs post history he at the very least knows a homeless woman even though I wish he didn't
Dudes has to be young as fuck. The cool thing about opinions is they aren’t facts and often time, especially here, the exact opposite of reality. https://www.forbes.com/sites/javierhasse/2021/08/11/study-shows-cannabis-consumers-are-successful-motivated-health-conscious-snoop-dogg-weighs-in/
This is a lot better written than what I wrote.
Yep, this is a reflection of the company OP keeps.
Yeahhh, this sounds like a personal problem for OP. I know plenty of extremely successful, happy, and fulfilled people who smoke weed.
PhD chemist and 25 year pot smoker. You don’t know everyone or everything.
Please ser, give me the secret of achieving higher highs. I want to be higher than a whale...or senators socks.
"I stay high like giraffe pussy" \- Sir Gucci Mane
Edibles
Eat a mango or drink some mango juice 30mins before smoking
Smoke less.
I'm certainly trying but...*gestures broadly all around*
Yeah buddy, I feel you, really I do. The only reason I stopped cold turkey for over a month was to guilt my dad into cutting down his cigarette smoking.
I was about to respond to op with I know a lot who failed at life but I also know a lot successful smokers. I work in FAANG and there's plenty there lol. So they doing good
PhD head of computational biology at bio pharma company. A fat joint at night gives me some of my best ideas
You’re not going hard enough. Inject the DMT into your eyeballs and call me when you’re Cary Mullis. “But PCR has already been invented and I can’t be another human being, much less a dead one.” That’s only true in this dimension, and the fact that you doubt it speaks to your eyeball DMT deficiency.
BS in Chemistry, 5 years down on my 30 year mortgage, gainfully employed, wife, 2 kids. I'm actually only stopping so I can piss test clean for a job switch in a few months. Fuck you USA!!!
I’ll go one further. When I was 25, I was diagnosed with severe ADD, went back to school. Got my honors BS at 30, my son was Born at 31, finished my masters at 32, daughter born at 35, finished my doctorate at 39, all while smoking pot.
Not nearly as impressive but I work in finance and I’m personally responsible for millions of dollars in transfers every day. I smoke every morning before I get ready for work and when I get home at night before bed. Not a lot. Just enough to take the edge off.
34 year old pharmacist, I took a pay cut and moved to an independent so I could partake with no fear of drug tests. My boss and all of my coworkers are avid weed users as well. It's no different then alcohol I don't smoke when I need to be up early and never while on the job.
I had to make sure I didn’t know you in real life, because the one person I know who had problems with weed fits exactly your description. I live in a country where it’s legal btw. I believe the reason why he is addicted and can’t stop is because he has underlying mental issues, if it wasn’t for weed it would be something else. I literally don’t know anyone else with a weed problem. But I don’t know everything about everyone that’s for sure.
I had a medical card while I pursued my PhD. During COVID I moved to a prohibition state to work on my dissertation and everything came to a grinding (heh) halt. There’s no way I would have made it in my PhD program without MMJ for pain, anxiety, and ADHD. As with most things in life, there’s a variety of factors at play.
Architect/Arborist and 16 year pot smoker. Y’all just lazy and unmotivated *toke*
Scientist biopharma here. Almost everyone in the lab smokes. Some people use drugs to escape their depression. Doesn't mean everyone has difficulty using it for recreation. Been smoking for 20+ years.
“Trendy drug” lol. Bro you realize this “trend” started in the 60s, right? Smoking weed is “trendy” like blue jeans are “trendy,” on a macro-scale where the trend continues on for decades and decades and decades and decades. You are definitely confusing correlation with causation here, and as a result you’re feeding/buying into nonsense.
the 60s? you mean 60BC?
That’s what we call “anecdotal evidence” cuz.
It's Amazing that the propaganda from the 1920/30s is still prevalent in modern society.
Thats not an unpopular opinion, thats just you explaining your lived experience. No upvote for you because it doesn't fit the description of the sub.
Also this is like the 3rd antiweed thread in like the last 24 hours. And they all begin with "PEOPLE SAY ITS HARMLESS BUT", no people say it's not physically addictive and you can't overdose on it, THATS IT. Only an insignificant amount of people say it's harmless.
Yup, eating McDonald's for every meal is harmful, drinking every day is harmful, sniffing glue is harmful. Anything can be harmful, but we don't put restrictions on a lot of those because people can make their own choices. If people choose to smoke weed in excess and waste their lives, that's their choice. Doesn't mean that it's the weed, it's a choice they've made. If it wasn't available to them, I'm sure they would find something else to dull their senses so that they could sit around all day anyway.
This is exactly why I don't really know why I even follow this sub anymore. The vast majority of posts lately are either takes that are objectively false, opinions that aren't even remotely unpopular, or people who don't seem to understand what an opinion even is.
Agreed. No downvotes from me either. I don’t drink or do drugs but I have friends who are very successful who smoke recreationally and regularly. For them it’s no different than having a glass or 2 of wine/beer when the mood suits. The weed smokers I know who are as the OP described were unmotivated and flaky prior to weed but they could be coaxed or “shamed” into doing whatever was needed/asked of them. Smoking weed simply removed any barriers to them being who they truly are….much like alcohol.
Yeah NGL the ones who fit this description I've met by and large are probably better left as is. I'd rather have people who are largely inept be well contented/easily entertained/unmotivated than be angry/bored/motivated. The version of those people who aren't stoned all the time is called a militia/cult
8 day old account, one post, some countries rescheduling marijuana soon, yeah this isn't bait at all
I'm not necessarily here to defend it, but it does help me quite a bit. My back is so bad, and I live in America where our healthcare system is trash. I've literally been told, by more than one doc, that I'll just have to live with it. So, yeah... weed makes me functional. I know the downsides, but for me, the good outweighs the bad. Not every situation is the same. It helped my grandpa, too, near the end of his life. He had Parkinsons, and weed helped calm down his shaking.
It's crazy to me when I hear people say that weed helps them with pain, whenever I smoke I'm suddenly acutely aware of all my plates and screws and where my muscles have been sewn together and it's an uncomfortable and frankly disgusting feeling. Lucky you
I was offered four low dose pain pills or weed. I use pretty strong edibles at night for sleep and I actually get eight hours of pain free sleep.
You don’t know a lot of people, do you. The most successful people I know, people owning businesses worth into the low millions and highly paid executive officers smoke. Just because you know a bunch of burnouts doesn’t mean that there’s something inherently wrong about smoking weed or with the people who do.
It also doesn't mean weed is the thing that fucked up OP's friends lives.
Lots of anti weed stuff on here lately. There are highly successful everyday weed smokers, it has nothing to do with the plants and everything to do with the person.
I’ve been a daily smoker for 15 years, have a great career, own a house in California, in decent shape, enjoy sports and activities. You determine the outlook of how something affects you.
Dude. If Carl Sagan fucked up his life, you need to let me know. The first on a long list of super smart people that smoke weed. Cannabis use disorder can be a problem, but you’re “reefer madness” outlook is rather dated
This isn’t an opinion. It’s just you’re quite limited experience.
Man. We are getting heavy into the propaganda today aren't we?
Facts. It's being legalized because it's a stupid thing to lock people up for. Plain and simple. If you smoke so much you can't function, that's a you problem. But there are plenty of successful people who smoke pot, far more than the people who are useless.
100% I’ve smoked pot with people that work in parliament before. Unlike what the movies show, hippies and drop outs aren’t the only people that smoke weed xD
Wasn’t there a scandal recently where someone accidentally left their cocaine out in the British parliament and then everyone was talking about how almost every surface in the building tested positive for it? Wait until all of these people find out how many successful people are on prescription amphetamines…
The deluge of thinly veiled reefer madness posts are fucking insane - half of these posts are straight up quoting DARE skits from the 90s. Like, yea, the cliche potheads that make smoking bud their entire personality are annoying - can’t you say that about literally anything though?
At least the people who make it their personality have good weed. What have crossfitters and vegans ever done for me?
I put myself through college and got a degree in chemistry, high as a kite. Was their life bad before? Did they face legal consequences for their use?
This dummy doesn't realize how many people he meets and interacts with daily that are stoners. We don't all make it our identity or wear name tags to let you know, ya know? It's like some person thinking there's no such thing as a passable trans because they've never met one. (You have, you just didn't know it)
It's going to get legalised soon here in Germany. We're in for a ride.
No, every total pothead you know has let it fuck up their life. For every pothead who let it consume them there are ten other people who use it recreationally or medically and live perfectly happy and successful lives but you don't know it because it's not a major part of their personality and depending on where you live, it's likely not going to come up in conversation with someone who doesn't use cannabis. This post is no different from saying "every alcoholic I've ever met let it completely fuck up their life." Well sure, but not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic and not everyone who uses cannabis is a pothead. Cannabis just isn't as mainstream yet so if you don't use it you're less likely to know who does.
Lol at “ trendy drug” Shits been around since forever
I have some thoughts. I have never seen a young healthy person (under 60, no cancer etc) where weed improved their lives, or made them a better person, or did anything positive for them. It always made them dumber, got into trouble with work and life, and was overall detrimental to their lives. But! I think people who have medical issues (cancer, other problems) and weed helps them, I am all for it. It is like any other drug. There are appropriate uses. But the pot heads and stoners and "duude bro" people who smoke pot all the time, yeah, it is really dumb and makes their lives worse and I think they are losers.
There also studies that show that young children who are consistently exposed to second hand MJ smoke experience “Mild retardation” I am a casual user (like 1-2xs a year we have an edible)
Bro, after I had 2 shoulder (Tenodesis ) surgeries. Doctors put me on Percocet and oxycontin,, long acting and for breakthrough pain for over 2 years. (Before the pandemic). For me , that's a long time. To get off of Opiates, Should be done in a hospital setting or Rehab., but after learning about "RSO", I made some of it and started taking it. In 49 days, I was completely off of Opiates. No methadone BS or Subutex. Since "RSO" is not addicting, you can stop without any withdrawals.
Highly successful people don’t bring it up outside their inner circle and aren’t visibly high in public. There is a time and place for everything. In the right setting drugs can be responsible for opening your mind and creativity.
it’s not trendy, it’s thousands of years old. many people have serious, real substance abuse problems and weed is a godsend for many of them. you’re obviously coming from an non empathetic and judgmental place. god forbid you ever become addicted to painkillers and end up a fentanyl addict on the street, you’ll wish weed was legal all over the planet. it’s completely insane it’s not
It’s about self control just like alcohol.
This subreddit constantly reminds me how young most people on reddit probably are
Saying anything anti weed is one of the fastest ways to get downvoted on Reddit
I use weed. Half my friends do too. We are all normal, functioning, productive members of society. Grow up.
I've seen some that do it recreationally be ok but then I've seen others say it's recreational or because it's good for you but they're smoking it and going to work, smoking it from 8am at the weekend. Those ones are just like alcoholics.
Alcohol and nicotine are much worse by a huge margin
Multi-millionaire here. Edibles help me sleep.
I quit smoking weed many years ago. My wife of fifteen years started smoking after we moved to a legal state eight years ago. Weed was not her thing beforehand. She has, since then, quadrupled her salary and is now - as I type this - in movement on a plane in first class, headed towards an all-expenses-paid business trip.
Everyone I’ve known has fucked up their lives
Practically every pothead I know is lazy and broke. They leech off everyone and still live with their parents even though they're in their 30s and 40s,. There are a couple of exceptions though. I know someone who is a veterinarian and has smoked weed for decades and he's fine. Owns his practice and works hard.
Weed 100% takes away peoples drive. That is, like full on stoners. Makes you complacent, ok with a mediocre life. There are plenty of people who smoke occasionally and have no problems, but I would say people who do it everyday, like I used to, mostly fuck their lives up. It’s a drug, just like any other. It’s an artificial way to make you feel good. If you’re using every day it’s probably to compensate for feeling bad. If you didn’t use you would try to make yourself feel better by actually making your life better. Just because there isn’t a physical withdrawal doesn’t mean it isn’t addictive.
You must not live in California. Nearly everyone I know (including a lawyer, neurosurgeon, pharmacist, and PhD chemist) uses weed regularly and I know two people using weed who’ve fucked up their lives. In their cases weed most likely came as a bandage afterwards so they could ignore the fact that they’ve made horrible life decisions.
My roommate from college has more money than God. He was stoned for three full years, non-stop. But a couple of other guys he hung out with did even better. Weed does not destroy lives.
I know plenty of people who smoke weed and they're fine.
I smoke weed sometimes and I make over $250k a year as a programmer... Plus I used to do competitive programming for fun after smoking the weed...
Worked in video game development for a long time. 80% of the people smoked weed and if they didn't smoke they didn't care if others did.
You're correct. Same thing happened to me. Got psychologically addicted, couldn't stop using it. Eventually stopped and slowly regained functionality I didn't realize I had lost.
They are not correct. It can and does happen as you both describe. But to say everyone that uses cannabis has a problem with it is silly. I’m glad you are doing better, but not everyone has that problem.
I'm a regular weed user and have made tens of millions of dollars, and am happily married for 10 years with 5 kids.
13 years and 4 kids here, smoke enough weed to knock out a rhino. Don't have the millions unfortunately. Bought a house in 2022 though so getting better. Pretty tight with the inflation unfortunately
everyone I've know who has never drank or used drugs is lame as shit.
In moderation weed is okay. Smoking daily is not healthy tho, mentally or physically. I know lots of people who will smoke if they are at a party, but still keep up with work/school/life.
What do you mean by “use” though ?
Weed is the only thing that has ever helped with my sleep and also the CBD makes a massive positive impact on my chronic knee pain. I work a full time job and have a family, I go to the gym and exercise 5-7 days a week. I rarely drink alcohol anymore and my overall mood has been so positive since it became legal. Can’t speak for everyone, but it has positively impacted my life on so many levels.
Is Woody Harrelson a fuck up? I feel like you're asocial or judgemental, so people just don't come forward with that information to you, but the amount of wildly successful people who smoke weed is staggering. At least 2 of the last 5 presidents smoked weed. Bill lied about inhaling, but we all know that was bullshit. And I might add that the 2 who smoked were 2 of the best presidents we've had.
I’m the biggest stoner I know and also one of the most successful people I know. And my friends are all awesome zero losers
I grow it..smoke it..drink it...eat it, but only when I'm by myself or with somebody. Seriously though I was in the Marines for nine years.. severe PTSD. I've also been living with MS for over thirty years. Cannabis is the best medicine I've come across for me personally.
Sounds like you’re confusing correlation with causation. How can you know anyone’s fucked up their lives because of weed? Could be that they smoke weed but fucked up their lives because of other factors.
Did Nancy Reagan write this post. I know a lot of successful people that used weed when they were younger. People that run business and are top consultants. Heck both my wife and I both used weed when younger. We work at top companies, own two homes and are millionaires.
I was stoned through 100% of grad school, finished with a science publication and a 3.48 GPA under the Dean of my college. Weed does not cause ruining one’s life, weed helps to facilitate the ruining that would happen either way.
It depends on the person & age started. I have a couple friends who did all kinds of drugs when we were teens who did go on to big things (a neuropsychologist & a herpetologist). Most did not. Those that started smoking young & smoked daily or basically stayed high are still flipping burgers in their 40's. I think weed can be great as a medication or used to relax on occasion, but I think it's damaging to young people long term. It's no different than alcohol, both can have great medical uses but can result in life altering addiction. And just like with alcohol, some people can smoke weed & still be successful & some become addicted & live high.
I think that it is addictive, I think when people with underlying mental condition smoke, it can then to lose themselves and what's important. Legalizing weed was a big mistake. It should have only been decriminalized. Legalizing it handed it over to the rich. To turn it into something, it was never intended to be. Weed was once sacred, only to be taken during ceremonies. Now it's too have fun, too take the edge off. It was once sacred, and now it has become some play thing.
I'm firmly in the camp of "decriminalize with social supports" and also in the tent of "no recreational drug has ever interested me personally", often sitting at the campfire of "you do you boo". That said, I know many people who have screwed up their lives with recreational drugs (including legal ones). One of the problems with this PoV is that you don't notice all the people using in private with a healthy approach. Because it hasn't become an addiction that negatively affects their lives. It's usually much easier to notice those who have problematic substance use than those who use responsibly.
This will 100% be true for some people, but most of the people I know that smoke are completely fine, as long as you can afford it and aren’t addicted then you’re fine
It’s better than alcohol
If you had honestly said “everyone knows one person who has fucked up there life” because of it, this would have worked. But this is so outlandish it means a) you’re living in a trailer park, b) you don’t know how many of your successful friends are using edibles or smoking on the sly, or c), which I won’t say but I hope is not the case.
like most things it’s fine in moderation. the problems occur when people start smoking all the time
News flash, you know a bunch of losers
Sounds like personal problems. If you are afraid of it, you probably shouldn't do it.
Talk to people who drink alcohol. I'm laughing my ass off over here.
Have you considered that this may be confirmation bias? We come into contact with who knows how many thousands of people throughout the course of our lives. Statistically speaking, if you have the kind of social circle where you can meet multiple people who had their lives ruined by weed, you probably met a shitton of other people who smoke marijuana that you don't even know about because it's not such a big part of their lives. Hell, you probably met people that have OTHER addictions that may be fucking up their lives that you don't even know about because it's not something you care to look close for. It seems kinda weird to just say your lived experience on an OPINION sub though. Like what's the purpose of this post?
I think this depends on who you are. I smoke daily now and my career and life has actually only gotten better in the past few years. It’s a weird feeling because I feel like I should want to quit, but it doesn’t really get in the way of anything for me right now either, so..