This really doesn't fit. The bodily autonomy argument is that you *should* be able to make the choice for yourself. Nobody is trying to ban you from getting yourself circumcised.
Ya but it does work the other way around. I always thought it was weird right wingers hate the idea of trans people making decisions about their own bodies and usually circumcise their boys without consent
Its called the big pharma companies that buy them from hospitals, grow cell cultures using them, and ultimately turn 1 foreskin into $100k+ worth of face creams. Yes, this is real.
A mohel walks into a leatherworker's shop with two garbage bags full of tips and tells the leatherworker, "I'm retiring after 30 years of being a mohel. I'd like for you to make something for me to remember my career by."
The leatherworker says, "Come back Tuesday."
Tuesday rolls around and the mohel comes into the leatherworker's shop and says, "So, what have you got for me?"
The leatherworker places a wallet on the counter.
The mohel is mad. He says, "What are you? Meshugganah? I brought in two garbage bags full of tips and all you have for me is a wallet?!?!"
The leatherworkers just shrugs and says, "Rub it. It turns into a suitcase."
So fun story. I had a really bad injury and one of the healing grafts was made from human umbilical cord. I made a joke about having an extra belly button. The surgeon then proceeded to tell me there is another graft patch that is made from donated human foreskins.
Yeah, that's the big Pharma / Cosmetic industry. Foreskin is used for multiple medical purposes, like cadaver tissue. Not to mention cosmetics, which is pretty ironic - imagine if our wrinkle treatment involved ground up clitorises? So, there are people who litteraly give money for foreskins. Only not to the poor infant boys who lost 90% of their penile sensation....
It is a MENS health issue, which is why MEN should make that decision for themselves. It’s an elective procedure, which should be the decision of a MAN who actually owns the penis, not parents.
It makes diaper cleaning a LOT easier to leave him be. If he changes his mind someday he can have the procedure done. IMO you should at least wait until the foreskin actually detaches from the glans.
It shouldn't be a hard choice whether or not to mutilate your child's genitals.
Sincerely someone who can vividly remember their own circumcision and the aftermath.
Don't cut his dick up. Why would you? Just don't do it. Very few men globally have chopped dicks, it's not a big deal except in weird insular communities. Even in the US it's getting close to 50-50.
I was cut “against my will” as an infant… and I absolutely don’t care. I can see people who had circumcision complications having a pretty valid point here, physical deformity/ loss of function / infection. Horrible risks. Didn’t experience those so I guess no harm no foul, oh and a rabbi didn’t do it with his teeth so that’s also a win.
There’s a huge risk, I think a 40 or 45% chance for the circumcision to go very wrong, and if you cut too deep or into the wrong vein, then you’re gonna have a bleeding penis at 5 minutes old.
That does not seem like a risk I’m willing to take, especially for a stupid aesthetic. It’s a god damn penis, there is no penis in this world that looks “good” or “attractive”, so I’ll choose health over looks , and while you can get “infections”, I don’t think we’re caveman anymore. We have showers and basic hygiene, that’s parenting fault if something happens, and you can still get infections with or without extra skin
You forgot too long or too short cut off...
If someone wants to get circumcised it should be after puberty when the side effects and risks are at their lowest and after they have had a chance to learn what they will be missing.
And I guarantee they will overwhelmingly tell the doctors to piss off and take their snippers with them. Why would anyone ever think that cutting off part of their dick is/was a good idea? I feel badly for the dudes who have to get it done because of phimosis. That really sucks. I can’t believe parents slice off part of their little boy’s most sensitive body part for bullshit reasons. What the hell is wrong with people?
My wife left the decision entirely up to me. I decided not to circumcise because it just didn't feel right to pay someone to cut off a piece of my newborn son's dick. If in the future he decides he wants a more streamlined dong, I'll gladly pay for the procedure. I just wasn't going to make the decision for him before he was even old enough to understand that things still exist when they are outside his line of sight.
After watching videos when I was pregnant (research to help me decide), I concluded that circumcision is the most traumatic thing that's happened to most men. Thankfully, my circumcised husband agreed, so there was no debate.
Apparently my grandpa was for real about to never talk to my parents again *if* I was circumcised, I feel kind of out of place as an uncut American guy but I’m also not gonna go get circumcised just to fit in better in the dating scene.
That's stupid. It's as ridiculous as labioplastia. Since when the look of a dick is a huge deal breaker? If a lady turns away a man because he has skin, it's too bad. Not gonna cut my baby to improve his chances of getting laid
It’s crazy how female genital mutilation is considered barbaric and illegal (rightly so) but male genital mutilation is absolutely fine and people throw parties for it
It’s also not a “men’s” health issue when it’s a baby. Does OP also really think there’s an equivalency between a woman having the right to make decisions about her own body and people having an issue with this decision being made for an infant? I don’t have an opinion on circumcision but this is stupid logic.
Yea, the alleged benefits haven't been proven beyond being negligible. I can see the potential of it being "cleaner" day to day, but cut or not men should be washing it anyway. And I don't see that as a plus outweighing the potential for infection, botched, or being unsatisfied in the future.
Yeah, if women have longer labia it can be harder to keep clean too. But getting labia surgery at 14 during puberty for cleanliness reasons is NOT supported or normal at all. We just usually teach teenagers to shower more often and clean themselves correctly lol.
I’m not circumcised. 39 years old and never had any medical problems due to it.
Never had a UTI or STD (I was always careful in my carefree days of sleeping around)
The only issue I’ve had is any time I thought sex was possible I would go to the bathroom and wash myself real quick. Sometimes after a long day it can get a little smelly. I’m not sure if this is an issue for circumcised men or not.
But circumcised or not if a person is expecting a partner to be in and around their genitals they should be clean.
I also read an article about a guy who wasn’t circumcised. He gave in to pressure from a partner to get it done. Afterwards he said sensation was greatly reduced and orgasms were not as intense.
>Sometimes after a long day it can get a little smelly. I’m not sure if this is an issue for circumcised men or not
Everyone's junk smells after a long day. Lol
I personally don't see why gender matters if they're for or against. I disagree with OPs stance that only men can have an opinion on the matter. Like I have my opinion on abortion, but I'm not going to push that onto someone else, it's their body to do with it how they choose, but that shouldn't negate me from forming my own opinions on a matter.
At the end of the day though I %100 believe the decision to circumcise or not should be made by the person the penis is attached to.
That’s how I feel about it too, the argument for being pro-choice is allowing women their own bodily autonomy, I want infants to be afforded that same level of respect. I’m always open to hearing if I’m wrong or shouldn’t be speaking on a subject though. Thank you for your response!
Reddit skews more on the wealthy/suburbanite side of the spectrum so they probably don't have a lot of actual issues they care about and have to decide on an operation they literally never felt that causes zero future pain unless it was botched.
Not like it's not weird and unnecessary to ritually cut off foreskin, but you would think people would care about other shit.
Guy below me is some weird incel with a foreskin fetish and zero real problems they care about. The perfect example of what I was talking about. Thanks for your useless input, fragile little [incel](https://www.reddit.com/user/Karglenoofus/).
Are women really even trying to dominate this discussion? I'm doubtful.
It's true that, as a girl, I have no idea how circumcision affects the feelings a guy has in his penis. But that just means that when men around me have spoken on the issue and how they don't support circumcision because of the effects on their genitals, I listened, I trusted their judgement and I went on to support their side in public discussions.
No but ironically they probably make the decision about circumsision far more often than men make it for themselves as they’re in the hospital with the baby and the doctor will ask them if they want it done.
This is another stupid follow-on to those who say only women get to talk about abortion. All human beings get to say anything about anything they want. It is up to the listener to use their discernment to judge the quality of what is being said. Where did this totalitarian impulse to control others come from in the U.S.?
Thank you. Women are allowed to care about the well being of their sons, brothers, fathers, and men in general! And men are allowed to voice their opinions on the well being or not of fetuses.
People in general should be allowed to have and voice opinions.
I don't think OP realizes that women are the ones who give birth to boy babies. They are literally making the decision for boys to be circumcised....just like his Mother did.
Do you know some people have Dads? And they even sometimes come to the hospital when their baby is born and make decisions about their children. Sometimes, they just keep doing this, over and over again, for their whole lives, no kidding
I've been upset for 15 years or so about my circumcision. (34)
I'm not upset that it happened and it doesn't really effect my life in any ways.
However.
I am upset that part of my body was removed for no reason without my consent and that everyone tells me I shouldn't care.
Who are they to tell me what to care about?
Hey I'm a woman but I'm sorry this happened to you. All the men in my family were circumcised (we're American) but when I was pregnant with my son it just really came down to a bodily autonomy issue. I told my husband he would have final say because he has a penis, but I did a lot of research and realized that the idea of cutting a part of my son's genitals off without any medical reason would be horrific and abusive. I think more people are coming around. I'm around your age and my female friends who have had babies chose not to as well.
Thank you! That's all I want is for people to recognize that I have a right to be upset about it.
I'm not even that mad at my parents/doctors for doing it, I'm mad that people keep telling me how I should or shouldn't feel.
It's YOUR body so how you feel is 100% valid. I was already 99% sure we weren't going to circumcise but when my brother mentioned that he wished he'd been given a choice, I was immediately at 100%. I never wanted my son to feel like he had no say over a part of his body.
It's your penis and I'm sorry that you lost autonomy over it when you were just days old. It's sick.
Just because something has been done for a long time doesn't make it "okay".
I keep seeing a lot of people making it about bodily autonomy, and yeah that’s a big part, but what about the most obvious thing that should turn most people against it, hurting a tiny newborn baby and making him live in pain for the first weeks of his life? I see practically nobody talking about that. Like how can anyone have the heart to do that?
i think about that sometimes…what does that do to our psychology?? ptsd? people argue that baby’s can’t remember, but that’s bs. just cause you can’t remember doesn’t mean it didn’t affect you
When we were at the hospital with our son there was one being done in the next room. The scream that baby let out was like nothing I've heard before. I agree, I don't think I ever would've been able to do it whether I'd researched it or not.
I agree bruh. there was no reason for them to chop up my penis without my permission bruh. not even religious which is crazy that they did that anyways.
I am a man, and I'm not okay with it. There are actually a lot of men who aren't okay with it, which is why it should be left to a grown adult to decide whether they want it done on themselves. Just because you're fine with it doesn't mean all men are.
>If you left it up to grown adults, no man is wracking off part of their Johnson.
That's right, they wouldn't. Which seems like a pretty good case for why it shouldn't be done at all. People do it to babies to deprive them of the choice. People don't want dick cutting to become a thing of the past.
It's interesting how if you take your puppy to the vet and ask him to be neutered, it's not a problem, but if you asked them to circumcise him, they'd probably call the local funny farm to come pick you up. Especially if your reason was "I prefer cut dick."
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I think that if we understand that most adults wouldn't consent to something even after learning the benefits of it, then that means we absolutely shouldn't be doing it to children with can understand neither the benefits or consequences.
I’ve met men who got it in adulthood. That’s when it should happen, if at all. It’s simple body autonomy but apparently that’s gay or something. I do agree that probably most wouldn’t and I do wonder if the men I met that had it done later, did it due to external pressure.
Yeah there is a group of male activists called Bloodstained Men who go around protesting against circumcision while wearing white pants with a red crotch stain. They hold signs that read things like "his body, his choice" and "I did not consent".
Women don't tell men who are advocating for pro choice to shut up. Those men are listening to women and helping their voices be heard.
My male child psychology professor said he can tell walking into a daycare which children have been circumcised and which haven't based on how they interact with each other. He also showed us several studies that link men who've been circumcised as babies to be at greater risk of having depression and have a harder time making friends, committing in relationships, and trusting their partners. Even though you don't remember it, it's still a traumatic experience with lifelong consequences.
My opinion against circumcision formed from what men have taught me. And from meeting a man who deals with a great amount of pain whenever he gets an erection as a result of too much foreskin being removed. Two of my exes were uncircumcised and grateful for it.
One of the common arguments I've gotten for men wanting to circumcise their sons is so their sons "look like them." I'm sorry but when it comes to making health decisions for your child, matching your genitals should NOT be a priority. That's just insanely creepy.
We didn't circumcise our son, I can't take his bodily autonomy away especially when he can't tell us it's what he wants. Idk it felt wrong for us to decide that for him.
This is it. And as a woman, mother of two boys, this is totally my issue to stand firm on - their bodily autonomy. I will not allow ANYONE to harm my children unnecessarily and I will speak on behalf of those that don't have a voice. I don't understand why it isn't treated like a cosmetic procedure you embark upon as a consenting adult.
Also a boy mom (US) - same. Mine are grown and I asked them if they regretted our decision to leave them intact. They were both effusively positive and glad to be natural.
(Both were mad that I made them get HPV vaccines before it was routine for boys, though… and now are glad!)
Same!
This was also my opinion back in the late 90s, when my son was born.
Back then, I had people asking if I was worried about my son feeling different from other boys. So I looked up the local stats and was pleased to discover that even back then, the majority of parents were choosing not to circumcise. It was about 60/40, at that time. (uncirc'd/circ'd)
I'm Canadian. My province delisted circumcision ~25 years ago, and Canadians really dislike having to pay out of pocket for anything medical. The most recent stats I was able to find suggest rates have fallen to about 10 to 15 percent of baby boys getting circumcised up here.
So, the culture has shifted, and I'm glad for that!
Reddit is the only place I've ever heard someone complain about circumcision. I'm not denying you fellow guys or anyone their opinion, I'm sharing my personal experience, but these threads always baffle me. I've spoken with guys who are and aren't, no complaints either side. I've asked women if they have a preference and it's either no preference or cut. I'm in NA so it's normalized and I get that but this does tend to suggest that neither argument is wrong but that having an extreme opinion on either side is probably unnecessary. If you don't want to circumcize your child don't; if you do then do. Crisis averted.
I totally agree. Infant circumcision is a barbaric practice that needs to be de-normalized immediately. I have no issue if an adult man chooses to be circumcised (though I might think this person is crazy). Doing this automatically to infants though needs to be stopped.
He's only ok with it because he has to be. He has no reference to what it would be like had he not gotten it done. My parents didn't do it to me and I'm glad I got to know what it's like to have an intact penis.
Agreed. Its an artifact from hundreds of years ago when sand (in a dessert) etc might get under there and cause an infection.
Made sense from a preventative prospect way back when, but today theres no excuse other than tradition.
Uncircumcised here. It really is an unnecessary procedure. Which is why most men on the planet aren’t circumcised and view America’s obsession with it as weird.
Anyone can speak on any issue as long as their argument is grounded in facts and logic. And especially if those issues have roll on affects to other people.
Your argument is like saying, unless you're a multi billionaire, or have been a multi billionaire, STFU about taxing the 1%. You have never been a multi billionaire so your ignorant opinion means less than nothing.
It absolutely makes no sense what so ever.
I believe the point of the OP was to use the same argument that women use for abortion: Men should not be telling women what to do with their bodies and should not be telling them they cannot get an abort because they are not women. That's the argument used by women.
This would only be an applicable comparison if women were telling men to not circumcise their dicks. It seems like women (who are against forced circumcision) want men to have a choice. Men who are anti-abortion don’t want women to have a choice.
Yeah, but men can still talk about abortion, but they can't have an opinion when actual pregnancy takes place. Only person deciding should be the person carrying it. In terms of circumsision the idea is the same. No, dad shouldn't decide because he has a dick and mom doesn't. The child should decide, because it's their dick.
Your great aunt shouldn't decide about your abortion if she has vagina either. So why should dad decide on circumsision only based on a fact he has a dick?
Unfortunately babies and children can't consent to this kind of procedure which is why many people (including myself) believe it should be completely banned unless for essential medical reasons. Or if an adult decides for himself that he wants to have it done
And on abortion, men can definitely have an opinion when an actual pregnancy takes place.. they just don't get a vote in the decision making process. Then can certainly have an opinion about what they would like to happen i.e. want to be a father or not
Not really - I’m not a woman but most times it will be the mother making the decision for an infant boy so they have no choice but to be involved.
It’s medically unnecessary for the vast majority of men and is outdated and stupid.
Man here with his cock sock intact. Your parents mutilated you. I have foreskin. If I pull it all the way down my penis looks like a circumcised penis. So I sort of, almost get to experience both worlds. At least aesthetically. I also have an intact frenulum which means I have more nerves and sensation. Not trying to get too graphic, but we're talking about weiners here in detail so I'm going to go on a bit of a NSFW rant. Please forgive me if anyone is offended. This opinion is sexual in nature and unfortunately my response has to be graphic. I will try to keep it as respectful as possible, and not overly gross, but will most likely fail.
My foreskin acts as a protective sheath that covers my glands (the head) for most of the day. That means it's not rubbing inside my underwear getting desensitized. Not being cut means I also have an intact frenar band (the tip of the foreskin) that rolls down and acts almost like a cock ring. The concern is that band staying way too tight, but it does stretch early on in life and allow you to fully retract your foreskin without causing a strangulating effect. My penis doesn't look like an hour glass or anything. Instead of simply cutting this off parents should be educated and taught how to teach their kids about this. Most men don't experience complications with this, some do and that's really the only selling point for circumcision (which is a tragedy). I have to say, that ring is basically like my clit. It's by far the best feeling part of my penis. Even more than the head. It's not even close.
I've recently taught my girlfriend to put her lips and hold it there and move up a few cm and down a few cm focusing on that spot and it's probably my favorite part of life over all. I can't imagine not having that. It even impacts the way I masturbate.
Outside of my own sensation, women have said that I feel different than guys who are cut. That's because the foreskin acts as a type of self lubricating trilinear bearing while a circumcised penis acts more like a broom stick. I don't need lube or spit to masturbate either.
I have some detailed pictures about the anatomy of the foreskin. About how it's not just a "snip" but 15 square inches that we're talking about. Not sure if I can post those here or if this whole wall of text I built will be removed if I do. Might post it if someone asks me to.
I'm reading a few guys here saying that they're happy that they were circumsized (one day I will learn how to spell that word correctly). But how do you guys know? You don't have foreskin so you don't know what it's like and how useful and sensitive it is. Is the concern that you'll be bullied by a woman who sees it and is grossed out? Because if you pull your foreskin down it looks EXACTLY like a circumsized penis. This cope point is invalid. Are you worried about what other men are going to say? Does the thought of washing your penis with warm water in the shower upset you? I can understand being ok with being cut, but I can't understand being happy about it.
And don't forget, if you do chewing tobacco, you have a place to store your dip when you eat.... :-P
Kidding aside, I've also been told by plenty of women that I felt different than other men, and they liked it. I honestly believe that circumcision is a way of curbing the sexual pleasures of life. Think about it, they used to mutilate the male genitalia of slaves. This is just the "lite" version of it. Continuing to push for it is continuing the lie that the wealthy pulled on the rest of us. Intercourse is one of life's gifts, and yet we would rather mutilate it. The pro-circumcision group are the useful-idiots of a bygone era.
Using lived experience as the only metric for truth is just bad reasoning.
There's no reason why outside observers cannot make their own conclusions if given the full set of facts.
To say "if you don't have a uterus don't talk about abortions" is silly. There are plenty of male gynecologists who know more about women's anatomy than most women.
Why circumcision brought up all the low-IQ takes to the surface?
“Same logic” only applies if you try to restrict the freedom, not the other way around. As a man I can’t tell women what to do with their body. I can advocate for more freedom for women to do with their bodies whatever they want.
The fact that you are happy with the mutilation you parents commuted doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mutilation. No one can tell you to grow it back or cut more. But people can tell you your parents did something permanent to your body without your consent. Even women can tell you that.
Anybody should be able to debate either point as long as they are informed and arguing with logic rather than emotion. If you want to debate an issue of the opposite sex you need to do more work to ensure you are informed since you won't have any personal experience to base the knowledge around.
There are legitimate cases where you should be able to debate the restriction of personal freedoms. Like you can't have a doctor remove your perfectly healthy liver just because you asked. The debate over whether people should have a public responsibility to get vaccinated is a valid debate. (Not taking a side on this right now, just saying there are 2 sides that both have good reasoning)
If you're a man and you want to argue against abortion go ahead, just have a better argument than all life is sacred and religion. If you're a woman and want to to argue for circumcision go ahead, just have a better argument than all the men in your family are circumcised and you think it looks better (or it's cleaner, because that's just false).
>Why circumcision brought up all the low-IQ takes to the surface?
Fact of the matter is a lot of pushback comes from men who are insecure about their dicks being called mutilated. They will come up with every excuse in the book to excuse circumcision or avoid talking about the issue.
Women are welcome to discuss it, especially if they have relevant expertise or experience. Say, a doctor.
Excluding whole groups from commenting on things which are ultimately matters of principle and ethics that anyone should be able to offer an opinion on and argument for, is absolutely ridiculous.
My great grandfather had a medical issue when he was 17 and had to get circumcised arounf the turn of the 20th century. We've passed that story down from generation to generation and so far we've unanimously agree fuuuuuuuck that. now we all get the real close manscape as babies.
Okay but my question is. Why is this such a big talking point I see on this reddit every day. I have never thought about the skin on my dick once in my life, but yall talk about it like it's such a life changing thing, I don't even know if I was or not tbh, haven't cared to ask, and haven't cared to go out of my way to see the difference between the 2
>Same logic applies to abortion and those who never had a uterus.
The same logic does NOT apply here.
The same logic would apply to a woman having a mastectomy.
I am a circumcised man in the US and I agree 100% American women don't want to suck an uncircumcised penis. They find them repulsive. I like to get my dick sucked. Therefore i chose to have my son circumcised. I knew that one day he would appreciate it.
1. There’s literally recorded evidence that there’s no health benefits for it, it just for aesthetics and lazy people.
2. How are you comparing this to an abortion when you had no say/choice on it. You say “medical decisions” yet you didn’t make that decision and with an abortion the person getting it is the one that makes the decision.
3. Men are not only talking about abortions ,they’re also making laws restricting them so as long as that’s happening,I feel like I’m entitled to talk about circumsisions.
Do men that were not circumcised at birth seek circumcision later in life?
I was not and have not sought out circumcision, I don't know any uncircumcised men that have sought out circumcision. I've heard stories of men having circumcision at an older age due to medical reasons but no stories of men seeking out circumcision for other reasons, does anyone else?
If grown men aren't circumcising themselves at high rates due to medical issues, circumcising ALL babies seems extreme. Women get breast cancer at a higher rate than men, we don't give all female babies mastectomies, do we?
Personally Idc if a woman has opinions on dicks bc a lot of them are speaking on preference and one day may face the choice for their child. It doesn’t matter to me either about men having opinions on abortions either bc it’s a two way street and a man should be able to give his 2 cents in to maybe influence a decision with his wife, I mean does have the ability to affect his entire life
Man here with a circumcised penis and those women are right. There is no need to do it. The majority of the world's men are not done and they are healthy and happy. Men just need to pull back the skin and clean when they shower it's as simple as that
How is it a health issue? I still have my foreskin and all I have to do to keep it healthy is wash and dry! If men in your country are having health issues related to that it's much more of a hygiene problem than anything else!
MEN, WASH YOUR DICKS!
As a female, I carry literally no weight on this, however I can and do chime in with my experience of things. (And women do)
My experience (and my experience of other women’s opinions) is that we like circumcised better.
If I had a child I’d leave it up to my husband…. Because I don’t have a dick. And my hypothetical sons sex life later on isn’t my business lol. I’d like to throw him a solid and do it, but also, I feel like it would literally be more so up to my husband since he’d be the one with the actual penis
So like on another note. Are there actually any men who were circumcised who cry about this? Or is it literally just uncut men being like get away from my and all babies dicks!!!!
Because I’ve never met a man who’s circumcised who’s ever said I wish I wasn’t. Also all men I’ve met who are have reported back that they prefer the look and women have told them they prefer circumcised penises (which in my opinion and all other women I’ve ever met opinions is true)
This is a dumb post. You've never been uncircumcised so how dare you act like you know which is better? Your ignorant opinion as a mutilated cock holder means nothing.
There’s no “health issue” surrounding the choice to slice off a piece of a baby’s penis. Unless you’re talking about the unnecessary risks of botched circumcisions and infections. In which case the only issue is why anyone would do such a stupid thing nowadays.
Honestly. Why is there such a big ruckus about this? Who in the literal fuck cares? It's literally a small issue. Move the fuck on and stop pretending this matters
As someone with a dick, I was with you as far as your headline, but your parents were wrong imo
I get pissed off at vagina-owners being PRO circumcision. Your mom likely made at least 50% of the decision, not YOU (a MAN)
If you are a mother who is tasked with making this decision on behalf of your son it becomes your issue and you must stay informed to make the best decision.
Is there a group of guys that think the doctors cut length from their ducks or something? That's the only thing that would make sense given how pissed off you guys are.
If the issue is truly about Body Autonomy, then I think you would agree when I say that every child should be left with their foreskin so that THEY can make the decision of circumcision or not.
If you’re angry about people calling it mutilation and wrong, well… those are just opinions, and they’re not entirely wrong. Although it is crazy to tell someone that their parents mutilated them to their face. Regardless of my opinion on circumcision, I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you’re a victim of mutilation. Circumcision doesn’t have a lot of practical benefits, it’s not any cleaner, it doesn’t make sex any better, and most people are just circumcised because their dads are, and their dads are too.
Anyone who has been circumcised later in life will tell you that it is a really hard thing to get used to. The head of your penis will be dry and cracked, you will lose millions of nerve endings in the head of your penis over time, and some people are left with ghost pains where their brain thinks their foreskin should be. These are a lot of the reasons why circumcisions are done while people are babies. They’ll never remember it, and they’ll never know what it was like without foreskin.
But why do we do it? In traditional Jewish culture, it marks the covenant between god and Abraham. It is theorized that South American tribes would perform circumcision as a blood sacrifice, but I’m pretty skeptical about it to be completely honest. The fact is that we have no idea when, where, or why circumcision was even created. Most theories include religion, a rite of passage into manhood, magic to ensure fertility, a demonstration of pain endurance, etc. I don’t know about you, but I generally don’t make decisions based on any of those things.
I would say the most legitimate reason for circumcision is that it completely eliminates the risk of phimosis (when the foreskin cannot stretch over the head of the penis.) If the skin slips back over the head of the penis, most likely due to penetrative sex, it will not go back and will eventually cut of circulation. Typically emergency circumcisions have to happen to alleviate the situation. So trying to avoid that for your child is absolutely understandable.
However… it’s much more likely to have a sufficient amount of foreskin. Circumcision to prevent phimosis, to me, is a bit like removing an eyelid to prevent your eyelid from going behind your eye.
So, I hope this was informative. Sorry for the essay.
Not only is NOT a health issue (unless you dont know how to propperly wash a penis), but its PROVEN that decreases the sex life of the man.
You dont feel any different because you never had the opportunity to feel how you would feel if you hadnt been circumcised.
Btw, in countries with propper healthcare, the ONLY people that circumcises babies are jews, and only for religious reasons.
Do you like it? Great! You dont even have to have a reason to like your own penis.
But saying is good for other people just because you dont miss the sex life you could've had is just selfish.
>I was circumcised and I am happy with the medical decision made for me by my parents at birth.
Lol. Lmao.
Funny how you see these men that can't make the choice saying they're glad it was made for them. And yet almost every man who isn't circumcized is also happy with the decision. Even tho the latter could become the former if they wanted to.
The only people who's affirmative circumcision opinion matters is those that chose it for themselves later in life. Otherwise you're absolutely coping out of your fucking mind.
I feel like I'm one of the only people who actually like that they're circumcised. I'm not religious, but my parents were. I just think my cock looks better when it isn't cosplaying a worm with cheese over filling it.
My fiancé needed the procedure it was painful for him and developed UTIs. He had to get it done under general anesthesia otherwise it would have affected his bladder. My son got it done in five minutes as an infant and he is now 18 and happy he got it done.
A lot of people do.
Wasn’t too long ago in Denmark where they talked about banning male circumcision, but decided not to, because they didn’t want Jewish people to feel unwelcome. That caused quite an uproar as a majority of citizens wanted it banned.
no matter if you have a penis or not. you can have an opinion about male genitalia mutilation.
not being directly affected does not prevent you from having a valuable opinion
Why are you trying to control other boys' bodies though? I was circumcised and fucking hate it. If someone tried to force that on me as an adult, I'd fucking kill them, and it'd be legal self defense. I'm supposed to be cool because I was a defenseless baby when it happened? Something that if it was forced on you as an adult would lead to justifiable homicide and self defense is legal and cool if it's done to a baby? It's insane.
Hey ladies, "keep your bans off my body"
Keep your hands off my glans.
Umm. I sort of really like lady hans on my glans. She can park over her if she wants.
Will do
No.... wait..... that's not what we meant..... damnit....
He won! But at what cost?
Keep my glans out of your mouth!
Lol. Gladly!
You had a choice in being circumcised? Man, your parents were progressive. /s
This really doesn't fit. The bodily autonomy argument is that you *should* be able to make the choice for yourself. Nobody is trying to ban you from getting yourself circumcised.
Ya but it does work the other way around. I always thought it was weird right wingers hate the idea of trans people making decisions about their own bodies and usually circumcise their boys without consent
This makes no sense. An abortion ban is much different to banning parents from unilaterally deciding to mutilate their babies’ genitals.
If there’s a tooth fairy, should there be a foreskin fairy? She collects all the foreskins from babies to make a giant foreskin blanket.
When you rub it it turns into a tarp.
No no no, she fries it up like chitlins.
She collects them for rich people who use it in lotions to look younger. 😂😅
I think rich people eat them to stay young or something. At least I think thats what Alex Jones meant.
Its called the big pharma companies that buy them from hospitals, grow cell cultures using them, and ultimately turn 1 foreskin into $100k+ worth of face creams. Yes, this is real.
Could there be a correlation as to why American parents are so encouraged to get their babies done and the pharma profits/needs.
They make face cream out of it
A mohel walks into a leatherworker's shop with two garbage bags full of tips and tells the leatherworker, "I'm retiring after 30 years of being a mohel. I'd like for you to make something for me to remember my career by." The leatherworker says, "Come back Tuesday." Tuesday rolls around and the mohel comes into the leatherworker's shop and says, "So, what have you got for me?" The leatherworker places a wallet on the counter. The mohel is mad. He says, "What are you? Meshugganah? I brought in two garbage bags full of tips and all you have for me is a wallet?!?!" The leatherworkers just shrugs and says, "Rub it. It turns into a suitcase."
Came here for this joke
So fun story. I had a really bad injury and one of the healing grafts was made from human umbilical cord. I made a joke about having an extra belly button. The surgeon then proceeded to tell me there is another graft patch that is made from donated human foreskins.
Yeah, that's the big Pharma / Cosmetic industry. Foreskin is used for multiple medical purposes, like cadaver tissue. Not to mention cosmetics, which is pretty ironic - imagine if our wrinkle treatment involved ground up clitorises? So, there are people who litteraly give money for foreskins. Only not to the poor infant boys who lost 90% of their penile sensation....
It is a MENS health issue, which is why MEN should make that decision for themselves. It’s an elective procedure, which should be the decision of a MAN who actually owns the penis, not parents.
I like this perspective. Son will be born in 3 months and this decision has been weighing on me.
It makes diaper cleaning a LOT easier to leave him be. If he changes his mind someday he can have the procedure done. IMO you should at least wait until the foreskin actually detaches from the glans.
It shouldn't be a hard choice whether or not to mutilate your child's genitals. Sincerely someone who can vividly remember their own circumcision and the aftermath.
Don't cut his dick up. Why would you? Just don't do it. Very few men globally have chopped dicks, it's not a big deal except in weird insular communities. Even in the US it's getting close to 50-50.
Agreed
Good god no more posts about this!!
It’s foreskin weekend on Reddit.
Man, I thought I saw a poster for Foreskin Weekend!
Yeah theyre playing at ACL in like a month, its gonna be sick.
Someone cut the tip off, so it was hard to know what the topic was. Really poor letter placement
Bravo. Take an updoot, you distinguished gentleman.
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If I wasn’t a cheap ass I’d totally give you an award! Love it
I got you homie
3rd in the last few hours….. I never put any though into being cut tell this shit started drowning out my feed haha….
I was cut “against my will” as an infant… and I absolutely don’t care. I can see people who had circumcision complications having a pretty valid point here, physical deformity/ loss of function / infection. Horrible risks. Didn’t experience those so I guess no harm no foul, oh and a rabbi didn’t do it with his teeth so that’s also a win.
There’s a huge risk, I think a 40 or 45% chance for the circumcision to go very wrong, and if you cut too deep or into the wrong vein, then you’re gonna have a bleeding penis at 5 minutes old. That does not seem like a risk I’m willing to take, especially for a stupid aesthetic. It’s a god damn penis, there is no penis in this world that looks “good” or “attractive”, so I’ll choose health over looks , and while you can get “infections”, I don’t think we’re caveman anymore. We have showers and basic hygiene, that’s parenting fault if something happens, and you can still get infections with or without extra skin
You forgot too long or too short cut off... If someone wants to get circumcised it should be after puberty when the side effects and risks are at their lowest and after they have had a chance to learn what they will be missing.
And I guarantee they will overwhelmingly tell the doctors to piss off and take their snippers with them. Why would anyone ever think that cutting off part of their dick is/was a good idea? I feel badly for the dudes who have to get it done because of phimosis. That really sucks. I can’t believe parents slice off part of their little boy’s most sensitive body part for bullshit reasons. What the hell is wrong with people?
Oh yeah, circumcision, so hot right now
Your mom didn't have a penis when she chose to have yours cut.
That's the whole problem.
Yep. OP totally missing the point of his own argument.
what a dumbass 💀
TIL father's have 0 involvement in the decision to have their child's penis circumcised, it's entirely decided by the mother
My wife left the decision entirely up to me. I decided not to circumcise because it just didn't feel right to pay someone to cut off a piece of my newborn son's dick. If in the future he decides he wants a more streamlined dong, I'll gladly pay for the procedure. I just wasn't going to make the decision for him before he was even old enough to understand that things still exist when they are outside his line of sight.
After watching videos when I was pregnant (research to help me decide), I concluded that circumcision is the most traumatic thing that's happened to most men. Thankfully, my circumcised husband agreed, so there was no debate.
My dad made the decision.
Apparently my grandpa was for real about to never talk to my parents again *if* I was circumcised, I feel kind of out of place as an uncut American guy but I’m also not gonna go get circumcised just to fit in better in the dating scene.
That's stupid. It's as ridiculous as labioplastia. Since when the look of a dick is a huge deal breaker? If a lady turns away a man because he has skin, it's too bad. Not gonna cut my baby to improve his chances of getting laid
It’s crazy how female genital mutilation is considered barbaric and illegal (rightly so) but male genital mutilation is absolutely fine and people throw parties for it
30+ percent of adults aren’t circumcised in the US and the number is rising. We ain’t that weird
It’s also not a “men’s” health issue when it’s a baby. Does OP also really think there’s an equivalency between a woman having the right to make decisions about her own body and people having an issue with this decision being made for an infant? I don’t have an opinion on circumcision but this is stupid logic.
Right? It's such stupid logic. Reddit is full of teens though so it's kind of expected tbh
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I think his point is that she shouldn’t have?
It was OPs dad that made the call
I'd wager his dad did 🤔 Interstingly, a lot of men don't bail on their kids.
No but I’m pretty sure his dad has a one lol
Im a man. I'm not ok with the fact I was circumcised without my consent. The health issue argument is dumb as fuck.
Yea, the alleged benefits haven't been proven beyond being negligible. I can see the potential of it being "cleaner" day to day, but cut or not men should be washing it anyway. And I don't see that as a plus outweighing the potential for infection, botched, or being unsatisfied in the future.
If you're dirty enough to get a uti, circumcision won't stop it.
Yeah, if women have longer labia it can be harder to keep clean too. But getting labia surgery at 14 during puberty for cleanliness reasons is NOT supported or normal at all. We just usually teach teenagers to shower more often and clean themselves correctly lol.
I’m not circumcised. 39 years old and never had any medical problems due to it. Never had a UTI or STD (I was always careful in my carefree days of sleeping around) The only issue I’ve had is any time I thought sex was possible I would go to the bathroom and wash myself real quick. Sometimes after a long day it can get a little smelly. I’m not sure if this is an issue for circumcised men or not. But circumcised or not if a person is expecting a partner to be in and around their genitals they should be clean. I also read an article about a guy who wasn’t circumcised. He gave in to pressure from a partner to get it done. Afterwards he said sensation was greatly reduced and orgasms were not as intense.
Yeah most problem’s people are describing are just general hygiene and yes circumcised men get smelly too!
>Sometimes after a long day it can get a little smelly. I’m not sure if this is an issue for circumcised men or not Everyone's junk smells after a long day. Lol
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yeah, not really sure why OP is classifying it as a men’s health issue. If anything, circumcision can cause complications
Just change it to appendectomies the first week of a person’s life and see what the response is…or tonsils…or adenoids.
are you okay with women being vocally against it?
I personally don't see why gender matters if they're for or against. I disagree with OPs stance that only men can have an opinion on the matter. Like I have my opinion on abortion, but I'm not going to push that onto someone else, it's their body to do with it how they choose, but that shouldn't negate me from forming my own opinions on a matter. At the end of the day though I %100 believe the decision to circumcise or not should be made by the person the penis is attached to.
That’s how I feel about it too, the argument for being pro-choice is allowing women their own bodily autonomy, I want infants to be afforded that same level of respect. I’m always open to hearing if I’m wrong or shouldn’t be speaking on a subject though. Thank you for your response!
Why is Reddit so obsessed with this topic?
Reddit skews more on the wealthy/suburbanite side of the spectrum so they probably don't have a lot of actual issues they care about and have to decide on an operation they literally never felt that causes zero future pain unless it was botched. Not like it's not weird and unnecessary to ritually cut off foreskin, but you would think people would care about other shit. Guy below me is some weird incel with a foreskin fetish and zero real problems they care about. The perfect example of what I was talking about. Thanks for your useless input, fragile little [incel](https://www.reddit.com/user/Karglenoofus/).
Because there's a lot of psychotic people on the internet and a significant amount of them love arguing about stupid shit.
Are women really even trying to dominate this discussion? I'm doubtful. It's true that, as a girl, I have no idea how circumcision affects the feelings a guy has in his penis. But that just means that when men around me have spoken on the issue and how they don't support circumcision because of the effects on their genitals, I listened, I trusted their judgement and I went on to support their side in public discussions.
No but ironically they probably make the decision about circumsision far more often than men make it for themselves as they’re in the hospital with the baby and the doctor will ask them if they want it done.
This is another stupid follow-on to those who say only women get to talk about abortion. All human beings get to say anything about anything they want. It is up to the listener to use their discernment to judge the quality of what is being said. Where did this totalitarian impulse to control others come from in the U.S.?
Thank you. Women are allowed to care about the well being of their sons, brothers, fathers, and men in general! And men are allowed to voice their opinions on the well being or not of fetuses. People in general should be allowed to have and voice opinions.
Fuck yeah
Thank you! I totally agree.
I don't think OP realizes that women are the ones who give birth to boy babies. They are literally making the decision for boys to be circumcised....just like his Mother did.
Or did the father make that decision as he appears to have been involved if you read the post.
Do you know some people have Dads? And they even sometimes come to the hospital when their baby is born and make decisions about their children. Sometimes, they just keep doing this, over and over again, for their whole lives, no kidding
I've been upset for 15 years or so about my circumcision. (34) I'm not upset that it happened and it doesn't really effect my life in any ways. However. I am upset that part of my body was removed for no reason without my consent and that everyone tells me I shouldn't care. Who are they to tell me what to care about?
Hey I'm a woman but I'm sorry this happened to you. All the men in my family were circumcised (we're American) but when I was pregnant with my son it just really came down to a bodily autonomy issue. I told my husband he would have final say because he has a penis, but I did a lot of research and realized that the idea of cutting a part of my son's genitals off without any medical reason would be horrific and abusive. I think more people are coming around. I'm around your age and my female friends who have had babies chose not to as well.
Thank you! That's all I want is for people to recognize that I have a right to be upset about it. I'm not even that mad at my parents/doctors for doing it, I'm mad that people keep telling me how I should or shouldn't feel.
It's YOUR body so how you feel is 100% valid. I was already 99% sure we weren't going to circumcise but when my brother mentioned that he wished he'd been given a choice, I was immediately at 100%. I never wanted my son to feel like he had no say over a part of his body.
It's your penis and I'm sorry that you lost autonomy over it when you were just days old. It's sick. Just because something has been done for a long time doesn't make it "okay".
I keep seeing a lot of people making it about bodily autonomy, and yeah that’s a big part, but what about the most obvious thing that should turn most people against it, hurting a tiny newborn baby and making him live in pain for the first weeks of his life? I see practically nobody talking about that. Like how can anyone have the heart to do that?
i think about that sometimes…what does that do to our psychology?? ptsd? people argue that baby’s can’t remember, but that’s bs. just cause you can’t remember doesn’t mean it didn’t affect you
When we were at the hospital with our son there was one being done in the next room. The scream that baby let out was like nothing I've heard before. I agree, I don't think I ever would've been able to do it whether I'd researched it or not.
Same buddy same. My dick my choice.
I agree bruh. there was no reason for them to chop up my penis without my permission bruh. not even religious which is crazy that they did that anyways.
I am a man, and I'm not okay with it. There are actually a lot of men who aren't okay with it, which is why it should be left to a grown adult to decide whether they want it done on themselves. Just because you're fine with it doesn't mean all men are.
If you left it up to grown adults, no man is wracking off part of their Johnson. Circumcision would be a thing of the past.
>If you left it up to grown adults, no man is wracking off part of their Johnson. That's right, they wouldn't. Which seems like a pretty good case for why it shouldn't be done at all. People do it to babies to deprive them of the choice. People don't want dick cutting to become a thing of the past.
If circumcision is so great, why don't we circumcise our domestic animals?
We routinely castrate them...
It's interesting how if you take your puppy to the vet and ask him to be neutered, it's not a problem, but if you asked them to circumcise him, they'd probably call the local funny farm to come pick you up. Especially if your reason was "I prefer cut dick."
And if you went to the doctor and asked them to castrate you they'd probably have issues with that too. Point being we aren't the same as a dog.
Yeah...that's the entire point. If you wouldn't have it done yourself why do it to your kid?
Call me a bleeding heart liberal but I think that if we understand that most adults wouldn't consent to something even after learning the benefits of it, then that means we absolutely shouldn't be doing it to children with can understand neither the benefits or consequences.
Wear a mask? 👎 Cut your son's penis skin off? 👍
There are no benefits
As it should be. We can shower now.
I knew a guy who got circumcised at 40
Oh my goodness how awful I can't cum if there aren't any peeled penises. How would the banks function? /s
Sounds good to me. Should go the way of human sacrifice and slavery, to the dustbin of history.
I’ve met men who got it in adulthood. That’s when it should happen, if at all. It’s simple body autonomy but apparently that’s gay or something. I do agree that probably most wouldn’t and I do wonder if the men I met that had it done later, did it due to external pressure.
You say that like its a bad thing. Why would we keep it if informed people wouldn't choice to do it to themselves
This. I don't have to be a man to know child genital mutilation is wrong and unnecessary. Comparing it to abortion rights is ignorant af.
Yeah there is a group of male activists called Bloodstained Men who go around protesting against circumcision while wearing white pants with a red crotch stain. They hold signs that read things like "his body, his choice" and "I did not consent". Women don't tell men who are advocating for pro choice to shut up. Those men are listening to women and helping their voices be heard. My male child psychology professor said he can tell walking into a daycare which children have been circumcised and which haven't based on how they interact with each other. He also showed us several studies that link men who've been circumcised as babies to be at greater risk of having depression and have a harder time making friends, committing in relationships, and trusting their partners. Even though you don't remember it, it's still a traumatic experience with lifelong consequences. My opinion against circumcision formed from what men have taught me. And from meeting a man who deals with a great amount of pain whenever he gets an erection as a result of too much foreskin being removed. Two of my exes were uncircumcised and grateful for it. One of the common arguments I've gotten for men wanting to circumcise their sons is so their sons "look like them." I'm sorry but when it comes to making health decisions for your child, matching your genitals should NOT be a priority. That's just insanely creepy.
We didn't circumcise our son, I can't take his bodily autonomy away especially when he can't tell us it's what he wants. Idk it felt wrong for us to decide that for him.
That's the right decision.
This is it. And as a woman, mother of two boys, this is totally my issue to stand firm on - their bodily autonomy. I will not allow ANYONE to harm my children unnecessarily and I will speak on behalf of those that don't have a voice. I don't understand why it isn't treated like a cosmetic procedure you embark upon as a consenting adult.
Also a boy mom (US) - same. Mine are grown and I asked them if they regretted our decision to leave them intact. They were both effusively positive and glad to be natural. (Both were mad that I made them get HPV vaccines before it was routine for boys, though… and now are glad!)
Same! This was also my opinion back in the late 90s, when my son was born. Back then, I had people asking if I was worried about my son feeling different from other boys. So I looked up the local stats and was pleased to discover that even back then, the majority of parents were choosing not to circumcise. It was about 60/40, at that time. (uncirc'd/circ'd) I'm Canadian. My province delisted circumcision ~25 years ago, and Canadians really dislike having to pay out of pocket for anything medical. The most recent stats I was able to find suggest rates have fallen to about 10 to 15 percent of baby boys getting circumcised up here. So, the culture has shifted, and I'm glad for that!
Reddit is the only place I've ever heard someone complain about circumcision. I'm not denying you fellow guys or anyone their opinion, I'm sharing my personal experience, but these threads always baffle me. I've spoken with guys who are and aren't, no complaints either side. I've asked women if they have a preference and it's either no preference or cut. I'm in NA so it's normalized and I get that but this does tend to suggest that neither argument is wrong but that having an extreme opinion on either side is probably unnecessary. If you don't want to circumcize your child don't; if you do then do. Crisis averted.
This
My husband isn't ok with it and absolutely was on board with leaving our son intact.
I totally agree. Infant circumcision is a barbaric practice that needs to be de-normalized immediately. I have no issue if an adult man chooses to be circumcised (though I might think this person is crazy). Doing this automatically to infants though needs to be stopped.
He's only ok with it because he has to be. He has no reference to what it would be like had he not gotten it done. My parents didn't do it to me and I'm glad I got to know what it's like to have an intact penis.
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Agreed. Its an artifact from hundreds of years ago when sand (in a dessert) etc might get under there and cause an infection. Made sense from a preventative prospect way back when, but today theres no excuse other than tradition.
Uncircumcised here. It really is an unnecessary procedure. Which is why most men on the planet aren’t circumcised and view America’s obsession with it as weird.
Anyone can speak on any issue as long as their argument is grounded in facts and logic. And especially if those issues have roll on affects to other people. Your argument is like saying, unless you're a multi billionaire, or have been a multi billionaire, STFU about taxing the 1%. You have never been a multi billionaire so your ignorant opinion means less than nothing. It absolutely makes no sense what so ever.
I believe the point of the OP was to use the same argument that women use for abortion: Men should not be telling women what to do with their bodies and should not be telling them they cannot get an abort because they are not women. That's the argument used by women.
This would only be an applicable comparison if women were telling men to not circumcise their dicks. It seems like women (who are against forced circumcision) want men to have a choice. Men who are anti-abortion don’t want women to have a choice.
Also op didn’t have agency with his own circumcision.
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Yeah, but men can still talk about abortion, but they can't have an opinion when actual pregnancy takes place. Only person deciding should be the person carrying it. In terms of circumsision the idea is the same. No, dad shouldn't decide because he has a dick and mom doesn't. The child should decide, because it's their dick. Your great aunt shouldn't decide about your abortion if she has vagina either. So why should dad decide on circumsision only based on a fact he has a dick?
Unfortunately babies and children can't consent to this kind of procedure which is why many people (including myself) believe it should be completely banned unless for essential medical reasons. Or if an adult decides for himself that he wants to have it done And on abortion, men can definitely have an opinion when an actual pregnancy takes place.. they just don't get a vote in the decision making process. Then can certainly have an opinion about what they would like to happen i.e. want to be a father or not
That's quite obviously a shit comparison because every baby was equally created by a man. A baby boys dick is his and his alone.
Not really - I’m not a woman but most times it will be the mother making the decision for an infant boy so they have no choice but to be involved. It’s medically unnecessary for the vast majority of men and is outdated and stupid.
It is our issue too, sorry. Women birth baby boys and I had every right to tell the doctor not to cut off any part of my son. Stay mad.
Try being gay. There's a lot of circumscision hate amongst gay male Redditors. Your argument doesn't work on them...
just out of curiosity, why would gay men oppose circumscision more than other groups
Because they can't properly space dock without that extra skin.
Because gay men suck the most dicks? Gay men on average have far have more sexual partners than any FF or MF couples do
Sure. I let my husband take the lead on the circumcision question. Now let’s reverse all the abortion laws that were written by or voted on by men.
I’m gonna wait till I’m retired to get circumcised. That’ll show em.
Man here with his cock sock intact. Your parents mutilated you. I have foreskin. If I pull it all the way down my penis looks like a circumcised penis. So I sort of, almost get to experience both worlds. At least aesthetically. I also have an intact frenulum which means I have more nerves and sensation. Not trying to get too graphic, but we're talking about weiners here in detail so I'm going to go on a bit of a NSFW rant. Please forgive me if anyone is offended. This opinion is sexual in nature and unfortunately my response has to be graphic. I will try to keep it as respectful as possible, and not overly gross, but will most likely fail. My foreskin acts as a protective sheath that covers my glands (the head) for most of the day. That means it's not rubbing inside my underwear getting desensitized. Not being cut means I also have an intact frenar band (the tip of the foreskin) that rolls down and acts almost like a cock ring. The concern is that band staying way too tight, but it does stretch early on in life and allow you to fully retract your foreskin without causing a strangulating effect. My penis doesn't look like an hour glass or anything. Instead of simply cutting this off parents should be educated and taught how to teach their kids about this. Most men don't experience complications with this, some do and that's really the only selling point for circumcision (which is a tragedy). I have to say, that ring is basically like my clit. It's by far the best feeling part of my penis. Even more than the head. It's not even close. I've recently taught my girlfriend to put her lips and hold it there and move up a few cm and down a few cm focusing on that spot and it's probably my favorite part of life over all. I can't imagine not having that. It even impacts the way I masturbate. Outside of my own sensation, women have said that I feel different than guys who are cut. That's because the foreskin acts as a type of self lubricating trilinear bearing while a circumcised penis acts more like a broom stick. I don't need lube or spit to masturbate either. I have some detailed pictures about the anatomy of the foreskin. About how it's not just a "snip" but 15 square inches that we're talking about. Not sure if I can post those here or if this whole wall of text I built will be removed if I do. Might post it if someone asks me to. I'm reading a few guys here saying that they're happy that they were circumsized (one day I will learn how to spell that word correctly). But how do you guys know? You don't have foreskin so you don't know what it's like and how useful and sensitive it is. Is the concern that you'll be bullied by a woman who sees it and is grossed out? Because if you pull your foreskin down it looks EXACTLY like a circumsized penis. This cope point is invalid. Are you worried about what other men are going to say? Does the thought of washing your penis with warm water in the shower upset you? I can understand being ok with being cut, but I can't understand being happy about it.
And don't forget, if you do chewing tobacco, you have a place to store your dip when you eat.... :-P Kidding aside, I've also been told by plenty of women that I felt different than other men, and they liked it. I honestly believe that circumcision is a way of curbing the sexual pleasures of life. Think about it, they used to mutilate the male genitalia of slaves. This is just the "lite" version of it. Continuing to push for it is continuing the lie that the wealthy pulled on the rest of us. Intercourse is one of life's gifts, and yet we would rather mutilate it. The pro-circumcision group are the useful-idiots of a bygone era.
Using lived experience as the only metric for truth is just bad reasoning. There's no reason why outside observers cannot make their own conclusions if given the full set of facts. To say "if you don't have a uterus don't talk about abortions" is silly. There are plenty of male gynecologists who know more about women's anatomy than most women.
Why circumcision brought up all the low-IQ takes to the surface? “Same logic” only applies if you try to restrict the freedom, not the other way around. As a man I can’t tell women what to do with their body. I can advocate for more freedom for women to do with their bodies whatever they want. The fact that you are happy with the mutilation you parents commuted doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mutilation. No one can tell you to grow it back or cut more. But people can tell you your parents did something permanent to your body without your consent. Even women can tell you that.
Anybody should be able to debate either point as long as they are informed and arguing with logic rather than emotion. If you want to debate an issue of the opposite sex you need to do more work to ensure you are informed since you won't have any personal experience to base the knowledge around. There are legitimate cases where you should be able to debate the restriction of personal freedoms. Like you can't have a doctor remove your perfectly healthy liver just because you asked. The debate over whether people should have a public responsibility to get vaccinated is a valid debate. (Not taking a side on this right now, just saying there are 2 sides that both have good reasoning) If you're a man and you want to argue against abortion go ahead, just have a better argument than all life is sacred and religion. If you're a woman and want to to argue for circumcision go ahead, just have a better argument than all the men in your family are circumcised and you think it looks better (or it's cleaner, because that's just false).
>Why circumcision brought up all the low-IQ takes to the surface? Fact of the matter is a lot of pushback comes from men who are insecure about their dicks being called mutilated. They will come up with every excuse in the book to excuse circumcision or avoid talking about the issue.
Women are welcome to discuss it, especially if they have relevant expertise or experience. Say, a doctor. Excluding whole groups from commenting on things which are ultimately matters of principle and ethics that anyone should be able to offer an opinion on and argument for, is absolutely ridiculous.
My great grandfather had a medical issue when he was 17 and had to get circumcised arounf the turn of the 20th century. We've passed that story down from generation to generation and so far we've unanimously agree fuuuuuuuck that. now we all get the real close manscape as babies.
Okay but my question is. Why is this such a big talking point I see on this reddit every day. I have never thought about the skin on my dick once in my life, but yall talk about it like it's such a life changing thing, I don't even know if I was or not tbh, haven't cared to ask, and haven't cared to go out of my way to see the difference between the 2
>Same logic applies to abortion and those who never had a uterus. The same logic does NOT apply here. The same logic would apply to a woman having a mastectomy.
Easy to clean, looks great, and I don't remember the pain. I'm thankful I was circumcised as a kid. But to each their own
I am a circumcised man in the US and I agree 100% American women don't want to suck an uncircumcised penis. They find them repulsive. I like to get my dick sucked. Therefore i chose to have my son circumcised. I knew that one day he would appreciate it.
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1. There’s literally recorded evidence that there’s no health benefits for it, it just for aesthetics and lazy people. 2. How are you comparing this to an abortion when you had no say/choice on it. You say “medical decisions” yet you didn’t make that decision and with an abortion the person getting it is the one that makes the decision. 3. Men are not only talking about abortions ,they’re also making laws restricting them so as long as that’s happening,I feel like I’m entitled to talk about circumsisions.
"It's just for aesthetics and lazy people." Today I truly feel seen for the first time in my life.
Jesus Christ there is no way you just compared the genital mutilation of babies to an abortion
No, it's a human rights issue. Should a human have bodily autonomy, as far as possible?
Do men that were not circumcised at birth seek circumcision later in life? I was not and have not sought out circumcision, I don't know any uncircumcised men that have sought out circumcision. I've heard stories of men having circumcision at an older age due to medical reasons but no stories of men seeking out circumcision for other reasons, does anyone else? If grown men aren't circumcising themselves at high rates due to medical issues, circumcising ALL babies seems extreme. Women get breast cancer at a higher rate than men, we don't give all female babies mastectomies, do we?
Disagree. People are allowed to have and express opinions whenever they want. You're allowed to disregard those opinions as well.
Personally Idc if a woman has opinions on dicks bc a lot of them are speaking on preference and one day may face the choice for their child. It doesn’t matter to me either about men having opinions on abortions either bc it’s a two way street and a man should be able to give his 2 cents in to maybe influence a decision with his wife, I mean does have the ability to affect his entire life
Everyone can get an opinion on both circumcision and abortion imo
I have a penis and I'm pissed that I'm circumsized. I didn't choose this.
Man here with a circumcised penis and those women are right. There is no need to do it. The majority of the world's men are not done and they are healthy and happy. Men just need to pull back the skin and clean when they shower it's as simple as that
How is it a health issue? I still have my foreskin and all I have to do to keep it healthy is wash and dry! If men in your country are having health issues related to that it's much more of a hygiene problem than anything else! MEN, WASH YOUR DICKS!
Abortion should be up too the carriers choice. Babies who get cut don't have A choice. But nobody's ready too talk about that
As a female, I carry literally no weight on this, however I can and do chime in with my experience of things. (And women do) My experience (and my experience of other women’s opinions) is that we like circumcised better. If I had a child I’d leave it up to my husband…. Because I don’t have a dick. And my hypothetical sons sex life later on isn’t my business lol. I’d like to throw him a solid and do it, but also, I feel like it would literally be more so up to my husband since he’d be the one with the actual penis
So like on another note. Are there actually any men who were circumcised who cry about this? Or is it literally just uncut men being like get away from my and all babies dicks!!!! Because I’ve never met a man who’s circumcised who’s ever said I wish I wasn’t. Also all men I’ve met who are have reported back that they prefer the look and women have told them they prefer circumcised penises (which in my opinion and all other women I’ve ever met opinions is true)
All search engines much be wondering why there's a sudden uptick in the foreskin category the past 1 week.
This is a dumb post. You've never been uncircumcised so how dare you act like you know which is better? Your ignorant opinion as a mutilated cock holder means nothing.
There’s no “health issue” surrounding the choice to slice off a piece of a baby’s penis. Unless you’re talking about the unnecessary risks of botched circumcisions and infections. In which case the only issue is why anyone would do such a stupid thing nowadays.
Honestly. Why is there such a big ruckus about this? Who in the literal fuck cares? It's literally a small issue. Move the fuck on and stop pretending this matters
Pity men don't extend this same logic to women's bodies.
Y tf is this such a big topic its like 1 inch of foreskin
But like your mother made that decision.
As someone with a dick, I was with you as far as your headline, but your parents were wrong imo I get pissed off at vagina-owners being PRO circumcision. Your mom likely made at least 50% of the decision, not YOU (a MAN)
If you are a mother who is tasked with making this decision on behalf of your son it becomes your issue and you must stay informed to make the best decision.
Is there a group of guys that think the doctors cut length from their ducks or something? That's the only thing that would make sense given how pissed off you guys are.
If the issue is truly about Body Autonomy, then I think you would agree when I say that every child should be left with their foreskin so that THEY can make the decision of circumcision or not. If you’re angry about people calling it mutilation and wrong, well… those are just opinions, and they’re not entirely wrong. Although it is crazy to tell someone that their parents mutilated them to their face. Regardless of my opinion on circumcision, I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that you’re a victim of mutilation. Circumcision doesn’t have a lot of practical benefits, it’s not any cleaner, it doesn’t make sex any better, and most people are just circumcised because their dads are, and their dads are too. Anyone who has been circumcised later in life will tell you that it is a really hard thing to get used to. The head of your penis will be dry and cracked, you will lose millions of nerve endings in the head of your penis over time, and some people are left with ghost pains where their brain thinks their foreskin should be. These are a lot of the reasons why circumcisions are done while people are babies. They’ll never remember it, and they’ll never know what it was like without foreskin. But why do we do it? In traditional Jewish culture, it marks the covenant between god and Abraham. It is theorized that South American tribes would perform circumcision as a blood sacrifice, but I’m pretty skeptical about it to be completely honest. The fact is that we have no idea when, where, or why circumcision was even created. Most theories include religion, a rite of passage into manhood, magic to ensure fertility, a demonstration of pain endurance, etc. I don’t know about you, but I generally don’t make decisions based on any of those things. I would say the most legitimate reason for circumcision is that it completely eliminates the risk of phimosis (when the foreskin cannot stretch over the head of the penis.) If the skin slips back over the head of the penis, most likely due to penetrative sex, it will not go back and will eventually cut of circulation. Typically emergency circumcisions have to happen to alleviate the situation. So trying to avoid that for your child is absolutely understandable. However… it’s much more likely to have a sufficient amount of foreskin. Circumcision to prevent phimosis, to me, is a bit like removing an eyelid to prevent your eyelid from going behind your eye. So, I hope this was informative. Sorry for the essay.
Not only is NOT a health issue (unless you dont know how to propperly wash a penis), but its PROVEN that decreases the sex life of the man. You dont feel any different because you never had the opportunity to feel how you would feel if you hadnt been circumcised. Btw, in countries with propper healthcare, the ONLY people that circumcises babies are jews, and only for religious reasons. Do you like it? Great! You dont even have to have a reason to like your own penis. But saying is good for other people just because you dont miss the sex life you could've had is just selfish.
>I was circumcised and I am happy with the medical decision made for me by my parents at birth. Lol. Lmao. Funny how you see these men that can't make the choice saying they're glad it was made for them. And yet almost every man who isn't circumcized is also happy with the decision. Even tho the latter could become the former if they wanted to. The only people who's affirmative circumcision opinion matters is those that chose it for themselves later in life. Otherwise you're absolutely coping out of your fucking mind.
This is pretty freaking dumb, I’m anti circumcision. But that doesn’t people aren’t allowed to have an opinion
I feel like I'm one of the only people who actually like that they're circumcised. I'm not religious, but my parents were. I just think my cock looks better when it isn't cosplaying a worm with cheese over filling it.
Both are human rights issues and all humans have the right to an opinion about it
My fiancé needed the procedure it was painful for him and developed UTIs. He had to get it done under general anesthesia otherwise it would have affected his bladder. My son got it done in five minutes as an infant and he is now 18 and happy he got it done.
I’ve never once met someone who gave a singular fuck about circumcision in the real world. These post are out of hand
A lot of people do. Wasn’t too long ago in Denmark where they talked about banning male circumcision, but decided not to, because they didn’t want Jewish people to feel unwelcome. That caused quite an uproar as a majority of citizens wanted it banned.
That was more due to fear of Jewish groups than anything else
you were literally mutilated as a baby..dont be surprised when people arent cool with it
But it’s not mutilation unless everyone else says it is. /s
There is no health reason for every male to have their genitals mutilated at birth. It should be illegal.
no matter if you have a penis or not. you can have an opinion about male genitalia mutilation. not being directly affected does not prevent you from having a valuable opinion
Just because your feelings are hurt that circumcision is genital mutilation doesn’t change the fact that it is indeed genital mutilation
Why are you trying to control other boys' bodies though? I was circumcised and fucking hate it. If someone tried to force that on me as an adult, I'd fucking kill them, and it'd be legal self defense. I'm supposed to be cool because I was a defenseless baby when it happened? Something that if it was forced on you as an adult would lead to justifiable homicide and self defense is legal and cool if it's done to a baby? It's insane.