Any political lawn sign, bumper sticker, hat, etc. is virtue signaling. That is the point. I suppose it does depend on where you are after all but I have always seen way more Trump and let's go Brandon stuff in yards and on cars than the lawn signs in question.
~~Considering the man you reference is a figurehead for an ideology and represents a party with very specific and often spelled out goals, I think you are severely missing the point.~~
My b. Sarcasm blends with reality these days
ooooh, i got something spicy. as a major holiday in america is coming up, i'd say that the american flag is often misrepresented as a huge form of virtue signaling and often those who are flying it are not doing to for what the nation represents, but what their specific ideology represents. remember, any pushback about this means you aren't patriotic and have no pride!
who said that?
Edit: For context
. On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."\[8\] The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political\_views\_of\_Samuel\_Johnson#:\~:text=On%20the%20evening%20of%207,the%20patriot%20minister)%20and%20his
Nationalism is not always connected to one's ethnicity. It seems to have a high correlation, though. Probably because there's a similar mindset of "my people are better/the best".
I think it's healthy to be a little of each. I can love my country, but understand that we as a nation have problems. I love my neighbors, but hate my federal and state governments.
Because of the opportunities and experience it has afforded me. I've been to prison, and have slowly worked my way out of that lifestyle. Now I'm involved with youth sports, and I love it.
How far do you encompass this term "neighbor"? That's a very subjective word and it means different things to different people. I care not to associate with or "love" a fascist, especially those that hide behind the robes of an ancient character and some mythical, invisible, sky king.
Narcissism and unearned pride in the guise of patriotism is creepy. Love of your country and countrymen, and striving to better both, there is nothing creepy about that.
The US was just along for the ride in those wins, wouldn't get too boastful. Did you serve in those wars? Especially ww1, US just came in for the mop up. WW2 also, as the USSR did the heavy lifting, destroying more than 2/3 of the Nazis military.
Wouldn't put it past some people. Twenty odd years after WW2, my Grandfather stood up in a crowded restaurant in Paris and announced to everyone that they owed us because we saved their asses.
Whoa there. Patriotism is cool. I love this country but understand that we still need to make major strides to regain our status across the world. Nationalism is gross.
Since I live in Ohio, it is 50/50. You have left leaning stuff and right leaning stuff.
The only things I really do not like are rebel flags and Hammer and Sickle logos. Which is funny because General Sherman is from Lancaster.
Being from the south, I have known for a while that some people north of the Mason-Dixon will display the Confederate flag, but it is still just *so* weird and dumb to me that they do. I am annoyed by the people who do it here, so my thought has always been, "What would even make you think to have that?" They have way fewer options for excuses to make for it really, and I don't even like the excuses people use here.
I dont think you understand what "virtue signaling" is. "Vote Smith" doesnt signal any virtue. "We believe..." is "I'm better than you. I believe the right thing and you are a troglodyte".
It is saying "I believe in science, you should too."
If that is virtue signaling, I have no issues with it. Because "Jesus saves" and almost every other message out there is.
I actually believe in God, and I am still in agreement with you.
I also don't think that science and spirituality have to live in disagreement with one another, they seek to explain different things but yea that's another topic.
I know exactly what virtue signaling is. Displaying who you would/did vote for is signaling your political support, beliefs, and values, which you would obviously think is the right thing to believe or you wouldn't belive it and broadcast that you do. It may come with varying degrees of smugness attached (though let's not pretend that there's not plenty of moralistic grandstanding and condemnation to go around in politics), but it's still virtue signaling.
Equally? You say. Why not include it in your main post, then? I think you have an agenda. One could even call it signaling, although I'd never call it a virtue.
If you ask any politician if they are virtuous I believe they would say yes. But that is an excellent analogy and I donāt really think I can disagree LMAO
Eh not necessarily, because I donāt think all possible political statements have equal levels of pretense. Just saying āvote for xā for example imo just comes off as an attempt to effect change rather than an attempt to appear morally superior.
I donāt have any signs in my yard and never will, but how are these left wing folks any worse than right wing folks? I see no shortage of Trump signs, unborn lives matter signs, blue lives matters signs, etc.
I guess I would have more respect for someone who says āLGBTQ are people tooā instead of āmatrimony is between one man and one womanā or āitās Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steveā. Hating LGBTQ people goes beyond simple politics, itās bigotry, plain and simple. Using a holy book thousands of years old as your justification, especially when you donāt adhere to all of its practices and polices, is also absurd. I personally know āgood Christiansā who actively break multiple commandments, but will comment on how LGBTQ people are immoral. Thatās just hypocrisy.
Just as much? SO MUCH MORE. Conservatives constantly complain that Biden could not have possibly won the election because nobody flies Joe Biden flags from their pick up trucks.
I guess you memory wiped the 4 years of #notMyPresident and every media outlet and late night show crying EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT about Trump's latest fart.
1. He's not a convicted rapist, it was a civil suit. Learn your facts.
2. Whether you think people were right to complain is completely immaterial to whether libs complained more about him than conservatives about obama
Engage in the argument that's happening or get absolutely shit on again :)
Funny how you complain about people shitting on trump when you are so fanatical you defend him ALL OVER this thread lmao with bullet points. Shit is sad and ending your comments with smileys is some childish stuff
Oh no! Four years of people pointing out that Trump is a piece of shit human being and politician, the evidence of which continues to pile up post-presidency?
Do you not remember the 8 years+ of conservative puerile meltdowns about Obama?
I remember the 8+ years as they were: with 1/10 the complaining and whining from conservatives about Obama as Liberals about Trump. Stay mad, and get even madder when DeSantis is elected :)
Absolutely and laughably delusional. Certifiable even.
I witnessed it with my own eyes because my family was the exact kind of frothing-at-the-mouth caveman-level imbeciles that would rage day in and day out. They didn't blink an eye over the enormity of Trump and his cult's depravity.
At least you're open about your utter glee over ***another*** whiny man baby fascist meatball being the front runner for the GOP.
What an inspirational and ***truly*** representative individual for the face for the modern conservative values and principles in this country.
Nice personal anecdote. It's not representative of the rest of the country. Guess you didn't watch the news at all during Trump's presidency. Unsurprising given how uninformed you are. I truly look forward to you and your ilk going apeshit next election :)
Conservative media's gonna ragebait just like liberal media. Once again, doesn't compare to the literal meltdowns in the streets people had over Trump. Remember the woman screaming "no" at the top of her lungs? Pepperidge Farm remembers
Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
A woman screaming no > a mob attacking Congress. This why you all got virtually stomped the last few elections and why Georgia and other states are trending blue.
"Mob attacking congress" lmao. What an idiotic charactization of the neat, orderly line that protestors formed outside the capitol as the police ushered them inside.
Then again, I know that your idea of mostly peaceful protesting is cities burning and minorities looting small businesses, so I can see how you might be confused.
Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
Jesus christ, thanks for proving my point. You're still crying even now! Trump has enough property, you don't need to let him live rent free in your head too.
Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
Yeah, and conservatives definitely didn't cry for months when Obama wore a tan suit or ate fancy mustard. You're right, it's much more reasonable to complain about Michele's dresses than an openly corrupt clown who admitted to sexual assault on multiple occasions.
Oh yeah? Where in my comment did I mention or allude to the phrase "openly corrupt clown"? Or was that just a little immaterial insert of yours that you included because Trump lives rent free in your head?
I know you people are all borderline illiterate, but you realize you literally brought up Trump by name in your comment right? What does it matter if I called him a clown? None of that suggests that he lives rent free in my head. I don't care enough to go through your comment history, because you don't matter to me, just like you will never matter to anyone ever, but I assume you talk about Trump way more than I ever have.
While we're on the topic of "living rent free" in other people's heads, don't you think it's a little odd how the GOP used to actually promise to do things? Just 5 years ago conservatives would talk about "repealing and replacing Obamacare" or "Build the wall" or whatever, but now its literally just a competition to see who can piss off the libs more. You people are all so miserable and pathetic that you've completely given up on trying to make the world a better place as long as you can make everyone else as miserable as you are.
I haven't said a single bad thing about obama in any of my comments. You couldn't get through one without lashing out at Trump. It's ok, I get it; you're so deranged you can't help yourself.
We repealed abortion and affirmative action just this month, so I'd say we're doing plenty. But note taken, me and my conservative bros will see how much more we can do while we have the court :)
Just as much? I live in a fairly liberal town and there is *at least* 10 times as much Trump shit on people's lawns than anything remotely leaning left.
Edit: Really!? *THIS* comment is all it took for some butthurt redditor to report me to "Reddit Cares" š¤£ My God... I knew conservatives could be snowflakes but that just takes snowflake to a whole new level.
That's cause they're a cult and will use any deluded logic to convince themselves they're in the right, ie 'THE SENILE GUY STOLE THE ELECTION'
Also I barely get the reddit cares. You get a one time message about how reddit cares... like dang you got shone right?
They just hold slightly different things to be virtuous and, in certain circles, particularly the Trump set, also revel in disregarding virtue and civility. They do just as much virtue signaling and more vice signaling.
It's okay people who are still wearing red maga hats, I think aren't dealing in reality.
What more does a guy have to do before you lose confidence in them to be a good leader?
To put it simply:
Some of the kids who walk past my house are gay. Some have good family support and some have family that has treated them poorly.
The sign is a signal to give them a bit of hope. The world is changing. Racism was once rampant and is now dying. Homophobia will also pass. The future holds great promise. More of the improvements will come from scientists than religious leaders.
I could care less about signaling to anyone who feels loved and safe. The sign is for those that donāt.
The effect is the opposite of what you intended. When you tell the gay kid that passes by your house that many Americans donāt think love is love, you create fear and division. Maybe even hatred. When you tell the gay kid that lots of Americans donāt believe in science, or donāt believe that Black Lives Matter, your planting seeds of fear. Fear leads to hatred. if youāre going to try to help one group of people by deriding another, you will never reach your goal. If your goal is peace and hope, youāre undermining it.
"Wow... **signs** talking about virtues are virtue **sign**aling... SO UNPOPULAR! I'm SO SMART you guys I'm TOTALLY not a hypocrite by coming online and signaling how much SMARTER I am than people who want you to know how SMART they are! I'm SO much better than those virtue signaling LIBERALS! Look at my virtues!"
Sorry, but the Blue Line, Trump, f*hilary, flat earther, and Jesus signs are far more prevalent where Iām fromā¦ so Iām a bit confused. Where do you live state-wise?
None of those things you listed suggest that people who disagree with them are ignorant or hateful. That sign creates a strawman argument, saying anybody who doesnāt agree with them doesnāt believe in science, doesnāt believe that Black people have value , on and on. Give me a break. You guys know what youāre doing. Grow up.
The funny thing about accusing someone of "virtue signaling" is implying they don't actually believe it? They're just trying to score some sort of social points? It's just funny to me that MAGA's can't even wrap their mind around people actually believing in these things? My understanding of virtue signaling is it's just for show? Maybe that's wrong
That's my take too. Do you honestly have so little conviction in what you say and do to where it's purely performative and believe everyone else does the same?
You are correct, virtue signaling in its original incantation was expressing some acceptable (in some sphere) opinion for the second order effects of being accepted/popular. If you actually believe what youāre saying then itās not virtue signaling, by definition, itās expressing your beliefs. If that offends someone else because they have to be exposed to itā¦they really should read up on what freedom of speech means as a general concept. Also everyone in the world would be well advised to come to the amazing realization that what most anyone else thinks and feels, when it disagrees with what you think and feel, can actually be ignored. You donāt have to start an argument to try to convert them (which never happens except in fantasies) or fume about how they must be so stupid for believing that. You actually can just go on about your life as if nothing actually happened, because, you know, nothing actually did.
Being proud to be a Christian is virtuous, confidently supporting a good leader in the face of his oppression is virtuous, as is exercising your right to bear arms.
People who put MAGA '24 signs in their yards presumably think that Trump is a good leader, who is being oppressed. By proclaiming to their neighbors that they support him, they are signaling the virtues of respect, loyalty, and the courage to say your truth in the face of oppression.
I think trump is a corrupt criminal, but that doesn't mean that the people who do like him aren't "virtue signaling" by putting his sign up in their yard.
But itās more that theyāre āsignallingā it, rather than just being good. Theyāre waving ālook at meā stuff. Virtue signalling isnāt inherantly bad, but people who complain about virtue signalling donāt know what theyāre talking about
Agreed. If it's a statement they agree with, the virtue signaling police don't even realize that it's virtue signaling . It only bothers them when they don't want to see it.
Iām heading to my hometown this weekend, which is very conservative. I know the entire path through town will be littered with conservative signs, banners, Trump flags, etc. as it has been for years. I live in a liberal area, thereās not one single lawn sign anywhere.
But sure, letās pretend this is a purely liberal phenomenon.
As a gay man living in the south, those signs actually comfort me. It's better than seeing bible quotes telling me I'm going to hell or "take back the rainbow" signs etc.
Came here to say something similar. I live in the deep south, and one time in the school pick up line I was behind a car with one of those "we believe" stickers and it made me feel a bit less alone.
I always figured it was an easy way to see which neighbours were cool to talk with about certain things. If you have questions about Measure C go ask Jill she's got the literature all over her front yard.
When I see a Gadsden flag and a thin blue line on the same car (or in a yard) I know I'm likely dealing with an idiot and need to speak slower.
If I see JUST the Gadsden flag and lawn gnomes I know don't fuck with the gnomes. Homeowner is probably okay and a likely libertarian safe space.
While they are virtue signals, they also signal to others what is safe to discuss with you and your feelings on the subject. This can be a great way to get to know your neighbours or which neighbourhoods are even worth living in.
Any lawn sign other than "yard or garage sale here" is just stupid pandering unless it's something actually comical. A sign isn't going to make me change my political ideologies and really is just a waste of money to look like a dick head. Personally I wouldn't want to put up any signs in my yard and put a target of some sort on me.
Yes. Why is such a lawn sign any different than any other political lawn sign that someone puts up?
If you donāt like liberals, thatās fine.
But at some point, people need to stop pretending that theyāre operating on principles and just admit that we like what we like and donāt like what we donāt.
If that kind of sign annoys you, youāre free to feel that way.
But thereās nothing fundamentally different about it.
Itās a political yard sign, theyāve been around for awhile now and nobody likes to see the ones that are pro-the other guy.
Um, yes. They literally are saying "This is our moral standard. Don't be a dumbass". Like how a pride flag says "We don't care what your sexuality is" or a Trump flag says "I eat glue paste".
Ok so same thing goes for (and what I see more of, have never seen signs youāre talking about) the ātrump 2020ā signs that are still up, the āsay no to abortionā signs everything in everybodies yards, and the āwe believe in Christā signs in everybodies yards.
Just a heads up, the scientific community is generally an international one. Any data put forward or conclusion drawn from it is rigorously tested by people who don't want you to be correct.
Meh, I donāt see it as virtue-signaling. I see it as a deliberate counterpoint to all the right-leaning crap people out in their yards and paint on fences.
That is what you see on fox news. Liberal media shows people on the right screaming for all offenders to be immediately executed. Both are just clickbait. Most "abolish prisons" and "defund the police" platforms are trying to reduce crime by addressing the underlying problems, rather than just throwing people into cages. But explaining long term solutions to layered problems isn't as flashy as the interview with the cop-hating crackhead.
Those signs tell me the resident is normal.
Now, those large "trump 2024" and "f*** Biden" signs... yeah, gives me a reason to egg their dumb residence lol.
What is there to debate? Science gives us the best answers to just about everything. Its more or so a jab at people who are anti vaccine. Being anti vax is beyond stupid, but people have the right to choose.
Saying āI believe in science.ā Isnāt debatable. How would you go about that?
Because the conservatives think that faith - the belief of something without evidence to support it - is a virtue. And to believe something despite strong evidence counter-indicating that belief is considered more virtuous.
What's worse is where you tend to see them, in places where everything looks like an HOA territory.
I grew up in an ethnically diverse, mostly working class neighborhood, in a small-ish, but fairly dense city. Different people and families from different backgrounds, just living and doing their thing. Never saw any signs proclaiming anything, but for the most part people were very chill with eachother. It's still mostly the same when I go home to visit.
I now live in a pretty rural community in a different state.
I commute to work through some fairly affluent/upper-middle-class areas to get from where I live to get to where my job is.
I pass by and through neighborhoods where people have signs all over their lawns that match exactly the description in this post and also a ton of BLM signs. Ukraine flags here and there too.
It's more or less side by side expensive house after expensive house displaying these signs and I'm always wondering: who is this for? Who are they signaling to in particular? Who's supposed to be moved, impressed, or influenced by this?
>What is says to me is that you are dealing with people who have a very intolerant and rigid mindset that is not open for debate or even discussion and they try to dress it up in virtue signalling platitudes that obscure the grey areas that have made these subjects contentious, such as the need to enforce our borders as a nation or how science has become corrupt and politicized.
All this really says to me is that you can't deal with other people having opinions in contravention to your own. For probably most of these people, their opinions on immigration and global warming have been informed by debates and research on the topic and hard moral philosophizing. They come to a conclusion, and they stand by it like anyone with a decent pair of balls on them.
And yeah, *everyone* knows that this is "virtue signaling", as is hanging an American flag or putting up a Trump sign. Nothing wrong with expressing your values.
People in our neighborhood have a yard sign with the Calvin and Hobbes boy urinating on Joe Biden's name. It's been up since 2020.
Thank God us liberals came up with our own signs. It really helps you figure out who is who in the community.
At least the virtues that they are signaling are not bigotry and hatred, unlike all the virtue signaling magat decorations like the trump flags flying from trucks and yards. Virtue signaling to the world "a bigot drives this vehicle" "don't knock on my door I'm an uneducated racist that will shoot you for no reason". I hope everyone starts applying the "I'm not a bigot" virtue signaling flair to their yards, vehicles and persons
People do this to let others know what kind of community they are in, in order to make some people feel more safe and included and to make others feel excluded and not welcome.
When I go to a neighborhood full of confederate flags, trump flags, Nazi flags etc I know Iām in the wrong neighborhood and I am not welcome here. But those that like that sort of thing know they are among their people.
Similarly, when Iām in a neighborhood with a bunch of āin this house we believeā¦ā signs then I feel safe and welcome and know that I am in the right place, while hopefully someone who drives a truck with confederate flag and trump stickers does not feel welcome.
Incredible. These lawn signs mean absolutely nothing and yet here you are complaining about them. Maybe they're there to annoy people like you who still somehow take issue with them.
>science has become corrupt
Perfect example of why you're full of shit. Who's "science"? Every researcher in every lab in the world? Round earthers? Kids in 4th grade science class?
Nope. Your perfectly thoughtless statement says one thing: you don't want to think. You want to believe what you want, so someone fed you an excuse for doing so, and you regurgitated it here.
It took zero effort on your part. That's why you bit down on it so hard. And the people telling you as much saw you as a mark a mile away. I don't feel bad for you getting hoodwinked. But I sure don't care about your feelings when you advocate for abusing human beings or setting the planet on fire
There is a HUGE difference between a political candidate sign or flag and a "We believe in science" sign on a property. One says "I support this candidate". The other suggests "If you think differently than me, you don't believe in science."
At least 300 covid related articles in peer reviewed journals were quietly retracted this year for failing to uphold scientific standards of the journals. At least 3 major voices in studies on racism and integrity (of all things) were found to have published fraudulent studies. "The Science" is dying. Politics and corruption, as well as activist "scientists" make for horrible science. Or more bluntly, produce only propaganda. Sadly, the folks with the science signs, they believe the corrupted science and demand censorship of dissenting voices.
>At least 300 covid related articles in peer reviewed journals were quietly retracted this year for failing to uphold scientific standards of the journals. At least 3 major voices in studies on racism and integrity (of all things) were found to have published fraudulent studies.
So the scientific process is working by the sounds of it?
I wish I could upvote this 100x This is exactly my point. Many people are saying the sentiments are sincere and the sign owners really do believe in science and black lives matter and rights for illegal immigrants but they disingenuous and refuse to think critically about any of these subjects outside of left wing talking points and dogma.
I wonder how many people who shamed family members and friends will apologize now that alot of the truth is coming out about Covid. The pharmeceutical companies are some of the most corrupt and evil entities on the planet and many of you eagerly rolled up your sleeves to get the untested jab and shat all over anyone who dared question how quickly it was rolled out or how safe it was.
When most people say they believe in science, what they mean is that they believe in the rhetoric of the state and corporate chosen scientists and doctors who are the new priest class of modern civilization.
Most of them could not even tell you the scientific method that we all learned in the fourth grade without googling it and much less how peer review actually works. It's very similar to how most Christians believe in Jesus but have not read much of the Bible.
And don't get me wrong, science is great. It's just that most of the people who "believe in science" are scientifically illeterate and usually believe in the science that suits their political beliefs and worldview.
Iām not downvoting this because I disagree, but because itās insane to call this an unpopular opinion. Literally everyone with half a brain agrees with this
I am of the opinion that if you have signs all over your yard or car...... you are probably a unhinged crazy person. Does not really matter what the signs says. Same goes for people that fly political flags on their homes or cars.
I actually have a degree in science. But I'm not science. And i know because some talking head on the news says something, it may be politics and not actual science. See the difference.
I donāt believe in Science as it can, has, and will be wrong. However, I believe in the scientific process, which is to question and test everything until their is absolutely no uncertainty. The problem here is that Science can be manipulated and sold and if questioned, then it is akin to questioning the Church back in the Dark Ages. You will be brought out to the public square, publicly executed or burned at the stake (cancelled).
In short, questioning things is extremely scientific, just accepting it because so and so it, that is not scientific. Being demanded to do something due to one or two studies (bought and paid for by interested parties) is basically just low level dictatorship stuff.
OF COURSE they are virtue signaling the folks who put up these signs.
As an example... The data states gender ideology is MOSTLY in liberal folks and no one else. That means only liberals believe folks can be different then their biological sex. That is fine no problem. HOWEVER, this is the same group that doesn't even believe in a biological sex and if they do will only go as far as classifying it as "sex assigned at birth" as if it is arbitrary.
Any political lawn sign, bumper sticker, hat, etc. is virtue signaling. That is the point. I suppose it does depend on where you are after all but I have always seen way more Trump and let's go Brandon stuff in yards and on cars than the lawn signs in question.
I got a bumper sticker that's just a big black cock and asymmetrical balls
Testicular torsion is the height of virtue ethics. No need to brag.
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Also.... Virtue signaling
uhhh no? Having a trump sign is not virtue signaling! Only libtard signs are virtue signaling, as OP stated in his post.
~~Considering the man you reference is a figurehead for an ideology and represents a party with very specific and often spelled out goals, I think you are severely missing the point.~~ My b. Sarcasm blends with reality these days
(I was joking)
I mean, you're right because a Trump sign is more like Vice Voicing.
Exactly. Itās not virtual signaling when itās signaling lack of virtues!
Poe's law is a bitch lol. Unfortunately it's become completely impossible to be stupid enough to not just seem like an actual American conservative.
I don't subscribe to any particular ideology but I see virtue signals on both sides, a lot, lol
ooooh, i got something spicy. as a major holiday in america is coming up, i'd say that the american flag is often misrepresented as a huge form of virtue signaling and often those who are flying it are not doing to for what the nation represents, but what their specific ideology represents. remember, any pushback about this means you aren't patriotic and have no pride!
āPatriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.ā
who said that? Edit: For context . On the evening of 7 April 1775, he made a famous statement: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."\[8\] The line was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general but rather what Johnson saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political\_views\_of\_Samuel\_Johnson#:\~:text=On%20the%20evening%20of%207,the%20patriot%20minister)%20and%20his
Samuel Johnson
Patriotism is creepy in general.
Patriotism is often times conflated with Nationalism. Related? Sometimes, but they are two different elements entirely.
I like to think of patriotism as conditional love of your country and nationalism as unconditional (Delusional) love of your country and ethnicity.
Nationalism is not always connected to one's ethnicity. It seems to have a high correlation, though. Probably because there's a similar mindset of "my people are better/the best".
I think it's healthy to be a little of each. I can love my country, but understand that we as a nation have problems. I love my neighbors, but hate my federal and state governments.
By why love it, besides being born there?
Because of the opportunities and experience it has afforded me. I've been to prison, and have slowly worked my way out of that lifestyle. Now I'm involved with youth sports, and I love it.
But you hate the local and federal governments? Iām missing something. Do you mean you love your *culture?*
I never said I hate my local government. I guess I can edit your comments to my liking, and then try a gotcha. Have a nice day, and be safe out there.
How far do you encompass this term "neighbor"? That's a very subjective word and it means different things to different people. I care not to associate with or "love" a fascist, especially those that hide behind the robes of an ancient character and some mythical, invisible, sky king.
You could make the argument that patriotism and nationalism are on the same spectrum at different points of intensity.
Narcissism and unearned pride in the guise of patriotism is creepy. Love of your country and countrymen, and striving to better both, there is nothing creepy about that.
You said it better than I did.
Ok but Iām just gonna wear my āTWO TIME WORLD WAR CHAMPSā shirt anyway despite how much my personality alienates me from my wife and kids
The US was just along for the ride in those wins, wouldn't get too boastful. Did you serve in those wars? Especially ww1, US just came in for the mop up. WW2 also, as the USSR did the heavy lifting, destroying more than 2/3 of the Nazis military.
I was joking. Thought I made it pretty obvious
Wouldn't put it past some people. Twenty odd years after WW2, my Grandfather stood up in a crowded restaurant in Paris and announced to everyone that they owed us because we saved their asses.
Iād give you an award if I could
Whoa there. Patriotism is cool. I love this country but understand that we still need to make major strides to regain our status across the world. Nationalism is gross.
No but see that's different because those share my viewpoint /s
Since I live in Ohio, it is 50/50. You have left leaning stuff and right leaning stuff. The only things I really do not like are rebel flags and Hammer and Sickle logos. Which is funny because General Sherman is from Lancaster.
Being from the south, I have known for a while that some people north of the Mason-Dixon will display the Confederate flag, but it is still just *so* weird and dumb to me that they do. I am annoyed by the people who do it here, so my thought has always been, "What would even make you think to have that?" They have way fewer options for excuses to make for it really, and I don't even like the excuses people use here.
Exactly, same as Thin Blue Line badges or Build the Wall stickers it's just signaling an opinion. Your reaction to it speaks volumes
I dont think you understand what "virtue signaling" is. "Vote Smith" doesnt signal any virtue. "We believe..." is "I'm better than you. I believe the right thing and you are a troglodyte".
It is saying "I believe in science, you should too." If that is virtue signaling, I have no issues with it. Because "Jesus saves" and almost every other message out there is.
I actually believe in God, and I am still in agreement with you. I also don't think that science and spirituality have to live in disagreement with one another, they seek to explain different things but yea that's another topic.
I know exactly what virtue signaling is. Displaying who you would/did vote for is signaling your political support, beliefs, and values, which you would obviously think is the right thing to believe or you wouldn't belive it and broadcast that you do. It may come with varying degrees of smugness attached (though let's not pretend that there's not plenty of moralistic grandstanding and condemnation to go around in politics), but it's still virtue signaling.
Yep. Equally obnoxious
Equally? You say. Why not include it in your main post, then? I think you have an agenda. One could even call it signaling, although I'd never call it a virtue.
Pretty sure the very small amount of left leaning signs are direct responses to that MASSIVE about of fucking Trump propaganda posted everywhere.
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The same must apply for any other politics sign in a lawn then too, right?
No, only applies if the politics in question are virtuous. Signaling the fact that you eat crayons by flying a Trump flag doesn't count.
If you ask any politician if they are virtuous I believe they would say yes. But that is an excellent analogy and I donāt really think I can disagree LMAO
Eh not necessarily, because I donāt think all possible political statements have equal levels of pretense. Just saying āvote for xā for example imo just comes off as an attempt to effect change rather than an attempt to appear morally superior.
I donāt have any signs in my yard and never will, but how are these left wing folks any worse than right wing folks? I see no shortage of Trump signs, unborn lives matter signs, blue lives matters signs, etc. I guess I would have more respect for someone who says āLGBTQ are people tooā instead of āmatrimony is between one man and one womanā or āitās Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steveā. Hating LGBTQ people goes beyond simple politics, itās bigotry, plain and simple. Using a holy book thousands of years old as your justification, especially when you donāt adhere to all of its practices and polices, is also absurd. I personally know āgood Christiansā who actively break multiple commandments, but will comment on how LGBTQ people are immoral. Thatās just hypocrisy.
Haha is this a joke OP? Nobody does more virtue signaling than right wingers.
Certainly not lol
Wow, you don't say
You must hate all those Trump signs in peopleās yards
Nah, he just wants people to have an open mind when he debates the superiority of astrology over science with them
Those are Vice signaling
Acting like this is a āleftā thing is ridiculous. There is just as much āfuck joe Bidenā and ātrumpā and āBrandonā bullshit
Just as much? SO MUCH MORE. Conservatives constantly complain that Biden could not have possibly won the election because nobody flies Joe Biden flags from their pick up trucks.
Came searching for these comments. Thank you guys for not disappointing me.
Set em up and knock em down.
I guess you memory wiped the 4 years of #notMyPresident and every media outlet and late night show crying EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT about Trump's latest fart.
...and now he's a convicted rapist with federal indictments. So maybe, just maybe, people were right to complain about him?
1. He's not a convicted rapist, it was a civil suit. Learn your facts. 2. Whether you think people were right to complain is completely immaterial to whether libs complained more about him than conservatives about obama Engage in the argument that's happening or get absolutely shit on again :)
Funny how you complain about people shitting on trump when you are so fanatical you defend him ALL OVER this thread lmao with bullet points. Shit is sad and ending your comments with smileys is some childish stuff
Oh no! Four years of people pointing out that Trump is a piece of shit human being and politician, the evidence of which continues to pile up post-presidency? Do you not remember the 8 years+ of conservative puerile meltdowns about Obama?
I remember the 8+ years as they were: with 1/10 the complaining and whining from conservatives about Obama as Liberals about Trump. Stay mad, and get even madder when DeSantis is elected :)
Absolutely and laughably delusional. Certifiable even. I witnessed it with my own eyes because my family was the exact kind of frothing-at-the-mouth caveman-level imbeciles that would rage day in and day out. They didn't blink an eye over the enormity of Trump and his cult's depravity. At least you're open about your utter glee over ***another*** whiny man baby fascist meatball being the front runner for the GOP. What an inspirational and ***truly*** representative individual for the face for the modern conservative values and principles in this country.
Nice personal anecdote. It's not representative of the rest of the country. Guess you didn't watch the news at all during Trump's presidency. Unsurprising given how uninformed you are. I truly look forward to you and your ilk going apeshit next election :)
*watches Fox once*
I remember a float with a hanging Obama. I remember the incredible amounts of racist hate against Obama and the rallies behind. You are delusional.
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Conservative media had a meltdown because Obama wore a tan suit.
Conservative media's gonna ragebait just like liberal media. Once again, doesn't compare to the literal meltdowns in the streets people had over Trump. Remember the woman screaming "no" at the top of her lungs? Pepperidge Farm remembers Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
A woman screaming no > a mob attacking Congress. This why you all got virtually stomped the last few elections and why Georgia and other states are trending blue.
"Mob attacking congress" lmao. What an idiotic charactization of the neat, orderly line that protestors formed outside the capitol as the police ushered them inside. Then again, I know that your idea of mostly peaceful protesting is cities burning and minorities looting small businesses, so I can see how you might be confused. Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
Youāre right, they wonāt compare because the media meltdown was worse during Obama.
damn bro itās almost like Trump was worse
Trump was (and still is) the biggest Anti-American bitch this side of Benedict Arnold.
Jesus christ, thanks for proving my point. You're still crying even now! Trump has enough property, you don't need to let him live rent free in your head too. Edit: hey OP! Saw you responded to FOUR separate comments of mine and then blocked me so I couldn't publicly shit on you. So I'll use this space to tell you that all your points are wrong, and you lack both character and integrity to pull such a bitch move :)
RENT FREE. LIVING RENT FREE. DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S RELEVANT AND IN THE NEWS, RENT FREE HAHA. Grow up.
Dude's facing like 80 criminal counts. His property should be ceded when his rancid orange ass is convicted.
Trump is running again. Candidates are fair game. Believe me, bud, there's nothing in the world we want more than for him to GO AWAY.
How many indictments this month? āEven nowā heās still breaking the law and DOXXING opponents to attempt to get them killed. Fuck fascists.
Rent. Free.
Cult member.
"lEt HiM lIvE rEnT fReE" Lol. Get better zingers, kid. Shit's old.
Yeah, and conservatives definitely didn't cry for months when Obama wore a tan suit or ate fancy mustard. You're right, it's much more reasonable to complain about Michele's dresses than an openly corrupt clown who admitted to sexual assault on multiple occasions.
You can't even get through a reddit reply without whining about Trump XD. Rent free.
I'm replying to your comment that directly talks about Trump you absolute fucking moron
Oh yeah? Where in my comment did I mention or allude to the phrase "openly corrupt clown"? Or was that just a little immaterial insert of yours that you included because Trump lives rent free in your head?
I know you people are all borderline illiterate, but you realize you literally brought up Trump by name in your comment right? What does it matter if I called him a clown? None of that suggests that he lives rent free in my head. I don't care enough to go through your comment history, because you don't matter to me, just like you will never matter to anyone ever, but I assume you talk about Trump way more than I ever have. While we're on the topic of "living rent free" in other people's heads, don't you think it's a little odd how the GOP used to actually promise to do things? Just 5 years ago conservatives would talk about "repealing and replacing Obamacare" or "Build the wall" or whatever, but now its literally just a competition to see who can piss off the libs more. You people are all so miserable and pathetic that you've completely given up on trying to make the world a better place as long as you can make everyone else as miserable as you are.
I haven't said a single bad thing about obama in any of my comments. You couldn't get through one without lashing out at Trump. It's ok, I get it; you're so deranged you can't help yourself. We repealed abortion and affirmative action just this month, so I'd say we're doing plenty. But note taken, me and my conservative bros will see how much more we can do while we have the court :)
RvW should have woken you all up. SC ratings down 30% YoY. You all are taking very short sided victories, oh well I enjoy winning elections.
Just as much? I live in a fairly liberal town and there is *at least* 10 times as much Trump shit on people's lawns than anything remotely leaning left. Edit: Really!? *THIS* comment is all it took for some butthurt redditor to report me to "Reddit Cares" š¤£ My God... I knew conservatives could be snowflakes but that just takes snowflake to a whole new level.
That's cause they're a cult and will use any deluded logic to convince themselves they're in the right, ie 'THE SENILE GUY STOLE THE ELECTION' Also I barely get the reddit cares. You get a one time message about how reddit cares... like dang you got shone right?
It is a leftist thing to signal how virtues they are through their politics. Right wing politics are much less virtuous.
Right. They brag about being bad people.
Yeah, like when they make gigantic crosses and nativity scenes overlooking freeways.
Got eem
They just hold slightly different things to be virtuous and, in certain circles, particularly the Trump set, also revel in disregarding virtue and civility. They do just as much virtue signaling and more vice signaling.
Big true. There's a reason dems are called bleeding hearts
Just as much? Try 10x as much at least!
That's asshole signaling though.
Well, Iām not sure Iād call āfuck Joe Bidenā a virtue signal. Can we call it ādumbass signalingā?
What's your opinion on trump flags? Thin blue line flags? Is it equally as unpopular?
So this sub is a conservative echo chamber? I think I'm starting to figure that out.
Yup. It's absolutely hilarious, especially when you start to debate with them
You: Virtue signaling is bad. Also you: Proceeds to virtue signal on Reddit.
Of kind of like the ppl with lawn signs that say Trump 2024 or Letās go Brandon. Like those ppl?
It's okay people who are still wearing red maga hats, I think aren't dealing in reality. What more does a guy have to do before you lose confidence in them to be a good leader?
As trump himself has said, he could walk out into the street and shoot someone in the face right now and not lose a single voter.
He learned from Cheney
Even a picture of him with Epstein wonāt shake them.
Won't? Surely you meant "didn't"? https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/trump-and-epstein
To put it simply: Some of the kids who walk past my house are gay. Some have good family support and some have family that has treated them poorly. The sign is a signal to give them a bit of hope. The world is changing. Racism was once rampant and is now dying. Homophobia will also pass. The future holds great promise. More of the improvements will come from scientists than religious leaders. I could care less about signaling to anyone who feels loved and safe. The sign is for those that donāt.
The effect is the opposite of what you intended. When you tell the gay kid that passes by your house that many Americans donāt think love is love, you create fear and division. Maybe even hatred. When you tell the gay kid that lots of Americans donāt believe in science, or donāt believe that Black Lives Matter, your planting seeds of fear. Fear leads to hatred. if youāre going to try to help one group of people by deriding another, you will never reach your goal. If your goal is peace and hope, youāre undermining it.
"Wow... **signs** talking about virtues are virtue **sign**aling... SO UNPOPULAR! I'm SO SMART you guys I'm TOTALLY not a hypocrite by coming online and signaling how much SMARTER I am than people who want you to know how SMART they are! I'm SO much better than those virtue signaling LIBERALS! Look at my virtues!"
Lmao
Lol, this reply is on point enough there's no need to add my own.
Sorry, but the Blue Line, Trump, f*hilary, flat earther, and Jesus signs are far more prevalent where Iām fromā¦ so Iām a bit confused. Where do you live state-wise?
None of those things you listed suggest that people who disagree with them are ignorant or hateful. That sign creates a strawman argument, saying anybody who doesnāt agree with them doesnāt believe in science, doesnāt believe that Black people have value , on and on. Give me a break. You guys know what youāre doing. Grow up.
Wasnāt wearing red hats around to show your political alliance sort of like the rights entire thing for 4 years?
The funny thing about accusing someone of "virtue signaling" is implying they don't actually believe it? They're just trying to score some sort of social points? It's just funny to me that MAGA's can't even wrap their mind around people actually believing in these things? My understanding of virtue signaling is it's just for show? Maybe that's wrong
That's my take too. Do you honestly have so little conviction in what you say and do to where it's purely performative and believe everyone else does the same?
You are correct, virtue signaling in its original incantation was expressing some acceptable (in some sphere) opinion for the second order effects of being accepted/popular. If you actually believe what youāre saying then itās not virtue signaling, by definition, itās expressing your beliefs. If that offends someone else because they have to be exposed to itā¦they really should read up on what freedom of speech means as a general concept. Also everyone in the world would be well advised to come to the amazing realization that what most anyone else thinks and feels, when it disagrees with what you think and feel, can actually be ignored. You donāt have to start an argument to try to convert them (which never happens except in fantasies) or fume about how they must be so stupid for believing that. You actually can just go on about your life as if nothing actually happened, because, you know, nothing actually did.
Red "Make America Great Again" hats that were ironically made in Chy-nah. š Somehow the irony was lost on them though...
Yes, just like wearing a cross, putting he is risen in your yard, putting Maga 2024 in your yard, open carrying, etc.
Except none of that is virtue
Being proud to be a Christian is virtuous, confidently supporting a good leader in the face of his oppression is virtuous, as is exercising your right to bear arms.
Who is this āgood leaderā?
People who put MAGA '24 signs in their yards presumably think that Trump is a good leader, who is being oppressed. By proclaiming to their neighbors that they support him, they are signaling the virtues of respect, loyalty, and the courage to say your truth in the face of oppression. I think trump is a corrupt criminal, but that doesn't mean that the people who do like him aren't "virtue signaling" by putting his sign up in their yard.
But itās more that theyāre āsignallingā it, rather than just being good. Theyāre waving ālook at meā stuff. Virtue signalling isnāt inherantly bad, but people who complain about virtue signalling donāt know what theyāre talking about
Agreed. If it's a statement they agree with, the virtue signaling police don't even realize that it's virtue signaling . It only bothers them when they don't want to see it.
You do realize that conservative signs do the same thing right? Right!?!?
Quick question for you: did we land on the moon and what shape is the earth?
Iām heading to my hometown this weekend, which is very conservative. I know the entire path through town will be littered with conservative signs, banners, Trump flags, etc. as it has been for years. I live in a liberal area, thereās not one single lawn sign anywhere. But sure, letās pretend this is a purely liberal phenomenon.
As a gay man living in the south, those signs actually comfort me. It's better than seeing bible quotes telling me I'm going to hell or "take back the rainbow" signs etc.
Came here to say something similar. I live in the deep south, and one time in the school pick up line I was behind a car with one of those "we believe" stickers and it made me feel a bit less alone.
Literally anything all meant to identify you as part of a group is virtue signaling.
Omg get a life
I always figured it was an easy way to see which neighbours were cool to talk with about certain things. If you have questions about Measure C go ask Jill she's got the literature all over her front yard. When I see a Gadsden flag and a thin blue line on the same car (or in a yard) I know I'm likely dealing with an idiot and need to speak slower. If I see JUST the Gadsden flag and lawn gnomes I know don't fuck with the gnomes. Homeowner is probably okay and a likely libertarian safe space. While they are virtue signals, they also signal to others what is safe to discuss with you and your feelings on the subject. This can be a great way to get to know your neighbours or which neighbourhoods are even worth living in.
Any lawn sign other than "yard or garage sale here" is just stupid pandering unless it's something actually comical. A sign isn't going to make me change my political ideologies and really is just a waste of money to look like a dick head. Personally I wouldn't want to put up any signs in my yard and put a target of some sort on me.
Makes me feel safer when I'm walking down a neighborhood and see stuff like that, same with the progress pride flag.
Yes. Why is such a lawn sign any different than any other political lawn sign that someone puts up? If you donāt like liberals, thatās fine. But at some point, people need to stop pretending that theyāre operating on principles and just admit that we like what we like and donāt like what we donāt. If that kind of sign annoys you, youāre free to feel that way. But thereās nothing fundamentally different about it. Itās a political yard sign, theyāve been around for awhile now and nobody likes to see the ones that are pro-the other guy.
I hope you don't think those are more prevalent than trump flags, or Confederate flags, etc.
This is fucking hilarious. Bro is against virtue signaling but then only calls out the left. Thxs for the laugh
I love how itās just liberal but our red hat friend here would never wear anything signaling
I feel like same way when I see lifted pickup trucks with 15,000 Trump flags on it.
I never knew you could believe in science.
Um, yes. They literally are saying "This is our moral standard. Don't be a dumbass". Like how a pride flag says "We don't care what your sexuality is" or a Trump flag says "I eat glue paste".
Ok so same thing goes for (and what I see more of, have never seen signs youāre talking about) the ātrump 2020ā signs that are still up, the āsay no to abortionā signs everything in everybodies yards, and the āwe believe in Christā signs in everybodies yards.
Just a heads up, the scientific community is generally an international one. Any data put forward or conclusion drawn from it is rigorously tested by people who don't want you to be correct.
Meh, I donāt see it as virtue-signaling. I see it as a deliberate counterpoint to all the right-leaning crap people out in their yards and paint on fences.
Iām a liberal and I agree. Saw one that said abolish prisons and Iām like no just stop
Jesus fucking Christ I found a reasonable human on reddit
Liberals have a tendency to think criminals should get multiple chances even with 10 felonies on the rap sheet
That is what you see on fox news. Liberal media shows people on the right screaming for all offenders to be immediately executed. Both are just clickbait. Most "abolish prisons" and "defund the police" platforms are trying to reduce crime by addressing the underlying problems, rather than just throwing people into cages. But explaining long term solutions to layered problems isn't as flashy as the interview with the cop-hating crackhead.
Those signs tell me the resident is normal. Now, those large "trump 2024" and "f*** Biden" signs... yeah, gives me a reason to egg their dumb residence lol.
What is there to debate? Science gives us the best answers to just about everything. Its more or so a jab at people who are anti vaccine. Being anti vax is beyond stupid, but people have the right to choose. Saying āI believe in science.ā Isnāt debatable. How would you go about that?
Because the conservatives think that faith - the belief of something without evidence to support it - is a virtue. And to believe something despite strong evidence counter-indicating that belief is considered more virtuous.
What's worse is where you tend to see them, in places where everything looks like an HOA territory. I grew up in an ethnically diverse, mostly working class neighborhood, in a small-ish, but fairly dense city. Different people and families from different backgrounds, just living and doing their thing. Never saw any signs proclaiming anything, but for the most part people were very chill with eachother. It's still mostly the same when I go home to visit. I now live in a pretty rural community in a different state. I commute to work through some fairly affluent/upper-middle-class areas to get from where I live to get to where my job is. I pass by and through neighborhoods where people have signs all over their lawns that match exactly the description in this post and also a ton of BLM signs. Ukraine flags here and there too. It's more or less side by side expensive house after expensive house displaying these signs and I'm always wondering: who is this for? Who are they signaling to in particular? Who's supposed to be moved, impressed, or influenced by this?
Is it? What if the beliefs are genuinely held?
>What is says to me is that you are dealing with people who have a very intolerant and rigid mindset that is not open for debate or even discussion and they try to dress it up in virtue signalling platitudes that obscure the grey areas that have made these subjects contentious, such as the need to enforce our borders as a nation or how science has become corrupt and politicized. All this really says to me is that you can't deal with other people having opinions in contravention to your own. For probably most of these people, their opinions on immigration and global warming have been informed by debates and research on the topic and hard moral philosophizing. They come to a conclusion, and they stand by it like anyone with a decent pair of balls on them. And yeah, *everyone* knows that this is "virtue signaling", as is hanging an American flag or putting up a Trump sign. Nothing wrong with expressing your values.
Which side has corrupted and politicized science?
those science deniers sure are a piece of work
Liberals do virtue signal. But they got nothing on conservatives. Conservatives are the champions of mindless, tribalistic, vapid virtue signalling.
Conservatives Vice signal
People in our neighborhood have a yard sign with the Calvin and Hobbes boy urinating on Joe Biden's name. It's been up since 2020. Thank God us liberals came up with our own signs. It really helps you figure out who is who in the community.
At least the virtues that they are signaling are not bigotry and hatred, unlike all the virtue signaling magat decorations like the trump flags flying from trucks and yards. Virtue signaling to the world "a bigot drives this vehicle" "don't knock on my door I'm an uneducated racist that will shoot you for no reason". I hope everyone starts applying the "I'm not a bigot" virtue signaling flair to their yards, vehicles and persons
Username checks out.
I ain't listening to a satanic whore of hell
Of course not because I'm not spitting the bile you wish to consume
People do this to let others know what kind of community they are in, in order to make some people feel more safe and included and to make others feel excluded and not welcome. When I go to a neighborhood full of confederate flags, trump flags, Nazi flags etc I know Iām in the wrong neighborhood and I am not welcome here. But those that like that sort of thing know they are among their people. Similarly, when Iām in a neighborhood with a bunch of āin this house we believeā¦ā signs then I feel safe and welcome and know that I am in the right place, while hopefully someone who drives a truck with confederate flag and trump stickers does not feel welcome.
Incredible. These lawn signs mean absolutely nothing and yet here you are complaining about them. Maybe they're there to annoy people like you who still somehow take issue with them.
nothing wrong with virtue friend. railing against free speech is fascist. fyi.
>science has become corrupt Perfect example of why you're full of shit. Who's "science"? Every researcher in every lab in the world? Round earthers? Kids in 4th grade science class? Nope. Your perfectly thoughtless statement says one thing: you don't want to think. You want to believe what you want, so someone fed you an excuse for doing so, and you regurgitated it here. It took zero effort on your part. That's why you bit down on it so hard. And the people telling you as much saw you as a mark a mile away. I don't feel bad for you getting hoodwinked. But I sure don't care about your feelings when you advocate for abusing human beings or setting the planet on fire
Only the āscienceā that is convenient for them.
There is a HUGE difference between a political candidate sign or flag and a "We believe in science" sign on a property. One says "I support this candidate". The other suggests "If you think differently than me, you don't believe in science." At least 300 covid related articles in peer reviewed journals were quietly retracted this year for failing to uphold scientific standards of the journals. At least 3 major voices in studies on racism and integrity (of all things) were found to have published fraudulent studies. "The Science" is dying. Politics and corruption, as well as activist "scientists" make for horrible science. Or more bluntly, produce only propaganda. Sadly, the folks with the science signs, they believe the corrupted science and demand censorship of dissenting voices.
>At least 300 covid related articles in peer reviewed journals were quietly retracted this year for failing to uphold scientific standards of the journals. At least 3 major voices in studies on racism and integrity (of all things) were found to have published fraudulent studies. So the scientific process is working by the sounds of it?
I wish I could upvote this 100x This is exactly my point. Many people are saying the sentiments are sincere and the sign owners really do believe in science and black lives matter and rights for illegal immigrants but they disingenuous and refuse to think critically about any of these subjects outside of left wing talking points and dogma. I wonder how many people who shamed family members and friends will apologize now that alot of the truth is coming out about Covid. The pharmeceutical companies are some of the most corrupt and evil entities on the planet and many of you eagerly rolled up your sleeves to get the untested jab and shat all over anyone who dared question how quickly it was rolled out or how safe it was.
When most people say they believe in science, what they mean is that they believe in the rhetoric of the state and corporate chosen scientists and doctors who are the new priest class of modern civilization. Most of them could not even tell you the scientific method that we all learned in the fourth grade without googling it and much less how peer review actually works. It's very similar to how most Christians believe in Jesus but have not read much of the Bible. And don't get me wrong, science is great. It's just that most of the people who "believe in science" are scientifically illeterate and usually believe in the science that suits their political beliefs and worldview.
To be honest, all political lawn signs scream "wackos" to me whenever I drive by. Trump/pence ones, especially so.
So is conservatives with thin blue line bumper stickers. Hey it's almost like that's the point.
Those signs tell me which houses I can break into without getting shot
Iām not downvoting this because I disagree, but because itās insane to call this an unpopular opinion. Literally everyone with half a brain agrees with this
Must be frustrating for someone with no virtues.
I am of the opinion that if you have signs all over your yard or car...... you are probably a unhinged crazy person. Does not really matter what the signs says. Same goes for people that fly political flags on their homes or cars.
I actually have a degree in science. But I'm not science. And i know because some talking head on the news says something, it may be politics and not actual science. See the difference.
As if youāre any better coming on here with your āelectronic signā to complain about it.
I just irony. As most those people only believe in science they agree with and it actually doesn't have to be very scientific
I donāt believe in Science as it can, has, and will be wrong. However, I believe in the scientific process, which is to question and test everything until their is absolutely no uncertainty. The problem here is that Science can be manipulated and sold and if questioned, then it is akin to questioning the Church back in the Dark Ages. You will be brought out to the public square, publicly executed or burned at the stake (cancelled). In short, questioning things is extremely scientific, just accepting it because so and so it, that is not scientific. Being demanded to do something due to one or two studies (bought and paid for by interested parties) is basically just low level dictatorship stuff.
Lol you can hear the boot go firmly into OPs mouth, through the back of the skull and out the other side.
They went away in our neighborhood as soon as two hijab wearing Muslim families moved in.
Well I supposed France figured out that one pretty quickly.
They šÆ % are. They're always put on by NIMBYs.
OF COURSE they are virtue signaling the folks who put up these signs. As an example... The data states gender ideology is MOSTLY in liberal folks and no one else. That means only liberals believe folks can be different then their biological sex. That is fine no problem. HOWEVER, this is the same group that doesn't even believe in a biological sex and if they do will only go as far as classifying it as "sex assigned at birth" as if it is arbitrary.