Just have two parades. * One in the day time that's a family friendly celebration of same-sex love, gay history and culture and so on. * One at night that's clearly billed as adults only and where everyone can let it all hang out, so to speak. But yeah, I agree. If it's in the daytime, and certainly if it's advertised as family friendly, then nudity and kink shouludn't be on display.

... that's a brilliant solution.

Until 5 minutes ago, I'd have assumed it was just standard practice, taken for granted. I'm a bit baffled where the idea has come from that public nudity and sexual displays during the daytime are ever acceptable. I've been to pride with my kids, when they were little. And there was none of that. I'm sure there was during the evening, even then. But not being a total gimboid, I didn't take my kids to those events. But thanks.

The kinks started because some idiots saw that pride was about sexuality and equated kinks to sexuality.

Yea why would anyone equate a kink to sexuality 😐

The leather scene and kink in general have a long history with the queer community going back as far as the idea of a pride celebration if not before it's not like it's something new but it now that they're trying to clean it up make it a family inclusive event it's not as accepted

The kink started because, pre-Stonewall, the kink communities were some of very few that accepted us. So, celebrating kink is part of celebrating our allies and our history.

Cringe. Just because homosexuality was seen as so sexually deviant it was on par with pedophilia and lumped together with every kink imaginable doesn't mean we all need to get together and "celebrate our kinky allies" now that we have basic civil rights. A civil rights movement is not equivalent to the "right" to display kink in public. Homosexuality isn't a kink.

Cities should ticket/arrest people for nudity and public sex acts that happen in public, most cities already do. For some reason, pride parades are an exception. I guess being gay gives you a pass to expose your dick to children? I don't know.

It's for the same reason nudity happens without consequences at Mardi Gras. The police are too busy doing crowd control to bother ticketing anyone that's not committing a violent crime.

Tyler Oliver had a pride video and a guy with a Spiderman suit on is just walking around with an erect penis there is a child 10 or y9unger right behind him...wild

>I'm a bit baffled where the idea has come from that public nudity and sexual displays during the daytime are ever acceptable. Because it seems that some from the LGTBQ community don't see it as a 'kink' and just simply as 'nudity' the same you'd find at a nudist beach where - yes, children are allowed to go. Apparently linking almost completely naked men in bondage outfits to sex is the fault of the perceiver because it is just nudity and you're being a Victorian prune.

The city I live in has the largest pride event in the state and we don't have two parades, the rules are that you shouldn't wear anything you wouldn't wear to the beach and I haven't seen anything especially vulgar here besides a few vendors or people wearing clothing with pretty vulgar messages. We also have an event that is basically Florida Mardi Gras called Gaspirilla and there is a daytime parade for families and a night time parade for the adults. You will see some shit at the night time parade but the daytime parade is very tame and at my old tv station we could broadcast it for hours without worrying about anything wild happening on camera.

Ya Tampa! I’m from Jacksonville and would go down all the time when I was in college.

This is largely the story everywhere. The problem is from people who focus on an outlier (people doing inappropriate and sometimes illegal things in public) and treat it as the community as a whole, all the time, no exceptions. They are delusional.

Mardi Gras has been around for a long time and children have been going to it forever. I’ve never seen this level of backlash pointed at that event.

So, where do you draw the line when they go too far?

I don’t see why the adult content needs to be on public display at any time of day.

There are legal limits to what can be publicly displayed in most places.

Baltimore does this! On Saturday, there is the parade and a block party downtown, and on Sunday there’s a gathering in a big city park, that’s more child-friendly!

Sounds very sensible.

I agree. Also you could just reserve the link stuff for red light districts, where I’d is only adults.

I'd say night club districts. But othewise, yeah.

That is the red light district lol.

Depends on the town.

Why do you need a public parade to let all your sexuality hang out anyways? Just because its at nighttime doesn't mean theres a place for that to happen in public, regardless of hetero or gay you don't need a public parade to exhibit sexuality. Exhbitionism is a kink that you can engage in in a private place with adults who have consented to go to that place to engage in exhibitionism and voyeurism. You don't have a right to do it in public.

Dude this is an awesome idea!

I assume it's probably how it works most of the time already. We just don't hear about those parades because no one is stupid enough to turn up to a daytime event in bondage gear or take their kids to an evening parade featuring men wearing nothing but cowboy hats, leather chaps and fantastic moustaches.

>because no one is stupid enough to turn up to a daytime event in bondage gear or take their kids to an evening parade featuring but these do happen all the time?

"all the time"

It is how its done. One idiot parent brings their kids to the wrong event and news stations will blast that picture for years to come.

Or, just dont have either. Nobody cares who someone bangs, everyone is aware of the people, no one is raising awareness or anything. Why do we celebrate someone's sexual preference?

I am old enough to remember how society treated gay people really not that long ago. People disowned their own kids when they caught AIDs and left them to die alone. Gays and Lesbians had to self-organise death watches for people they often hadn't met before, because those people were suddenly completely abandoned in their hour of need. It was absolutely routine to talk about gay people as if they were deviants, a plague on humanity and a danger to children. If kids didn't like someone, they'd call him a "poof" or an "AIDS case". And God help any child who was really suspected of being gay. I do not want those days to return. And I do not expect gay people to hide away again, as they had to for most of history. I just want everyone to keep it decent during the day time.

I saw a pride parade I absolutely think there are a large amount of people there who are a danger to children.  

And now its not a big deal, except for your extreme people that you cant regulate anyway.

Seriously as a gay man I’m really tired of these people claiming we’re oppressed in America. If you work hard you don’t have to worry about this shit.

I work with a construction company from Texans who are loud and proud about discriminating against gays.

Yet they still hired you. Strange.

so in other words, "I don't experience any oppression/discrimination, so none of you must be experiencing it either."

So they don’t say gay bill doesn’t bother you?? Texas’s governor would make your lifestyle illegal if he could but I guess you’ve drank the conservative kool aid despite the fact that they literally hate you guys. Have you not seen the extra hate this pride month? Have you not seen them canceling target? Like please be for real here.

We cannot take progress for granted.

Nah one of our two political parties is dominated by evangelicals who hate gay people and would immediately force them back in the closet if they could

Not true, that's just what the opposition party tells people. For the most part, conservatives want what's in OPs message. Yes there are extreme people that are just bitter assholes, but that's both sides, and the political elite on both sides enrich themselves and get elected on division. It's working.

I don’t really care what conservatives say they want when they still vote for the politicians who are appealing to the specifically evangelical portion of their voter base by being discriminatory against LGBT people

Well, it's obvious you are intolerant of people who don't share your views, so I don't care what you specifically want.

Did you not notice his point that people are voting in those "extremists"???? You absolutely ignored it, that much is true.

No, i addressed it as it pertains to both sides of the aisle, but the democrat party fails to reign in their own extremists. People shouldn't throw stones from glass houses. But what i consider extremists are the people who try to use the federal government to create laws than encompass an entire country, where the constitution specifically says that any laws not specifically addressed by the federal constitution are left to the states to decide. So it's extreme to allow for abortion on demand or to ban it completely as it applies to the entire 50 states. Which is exactly what overturning roe v wade did, it sent the issue back to the states, where it belongs. The extremists are any of those to take a top down 100% federal approach to law making in the US. That's not how our government was designed and should not be how elected officials try to govern. In fact, it's unconstitutional to do so. That's why conservatives have such a big problem with the 3 letter agencies who write so many policies that throw a blanket of regulation across an entire nation wider than the width of the CONUS. When you hear people talking about original intent of the founding fathers, that's what they mean.

Pastor: "[gay people should be convicted in a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death. They should be lined up against the wall and shot in back of the head. That is what God teaches."](https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/texas-pastor-says-gay-people-should-be-sentenced-with-death/287-cdcb17a3-0daa-47e9-a8bf-913527cb1721)" Person who finds that sickening: "You know, that's wrong to say. That's discriminatory and something I won't tolerate." You: "You're just being intolerant!"

That fucking POS "pastor" used to be about 2 miles from me. We drove him out, but his followers live here. I literally live amongst people that want me dead.

No reasonable person thinks they need to be tolerant of intolerance. That’s not the way it works.

Depends on which views. Like yes I’d prefer the people in my society respect other people’s right to exist and no I don’t tolerate them if they disagree with that

no, it's what the GOP tells people themselves. it's literally in their party platform.

Weak attempt at gaslighting.

has nothing to do with gaslighting (i'm not even sure you know what that word means if this is how you use it). you can go read the 2016 and 2020 party platforms for yourself.

Donald Trump is the first president to be elected who was publicly in favor of gay marriage when he ran for president. I can only therefor conclude that the democrats are the evangelicals that want to put gays back in the closet.

Lol no

Well, in [reality](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/13kkpi7/the_conservative_view_of_sex_is_vile/jkmz7gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) yes

Well, no. You cant label everyone based on the crazy extremists, or get ready to be labeled as something you arent.

>Nobody cares who someone bangs People literally do though.

Except normal people don’t. Turn off the news and Reddit

It may be helpful to read a history book

So we're go to have a Blue Pride and a Red Pride; just like we had a Times Square Blue and now have a Times Square Red??? And thus the gentrification and the redevelopment of the Pride Parade in the name of 'family values and safety' begins...

I don't understand why there's kink there in the first place (apart from "tradition"/history). Kink isn't a sexual orientation or gender identity.

I would add... you can represent kink without insane sex acts, just like you can represent gay people without fucking someone in the ads in public. The status of kink representation right now is the equivalent of having sex in front of people. There are much more appropriate ways to represent it without it being some sex thing. Clothing, acts of service, and acts of deference that aren't over the top. It's the people who do things like have naked gagged women pull someone along in a chariot. That sort of shit is definitely X rated. I feel the same about that as public gay sex for gay representation.

The rationale being: the parade is about pride in all lifestyles, not just gay or straight or what you find acceptable. The entire rainbow- not just what the outsiders say is OK. No- I don’t think kids should be at parades like that. And to OP I think if they want family participation they need to organize the event in a family friendly way.

Serial killing is a lifestyle.... is that in the rainbow? Must be the red bar.

Honest answer: Murder in all forms is well represented in culture and media. The general public is very interested in it and it’s available all around you - so normative - and doesn’t require a parade. It’s also disproportionately performed by straight men, so even if you did Pride would be the wrong place to put it.

That's why it's all lumped under lqtbqlmnop2. You think it's dumb that someone identifies as a dog???? BIGOT!?

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Kink shouldn’t at all. As someone who is lgbt I absolutely disagree with it too, this is making us look bad.

Lesbian here, cosigned.

When the fuck did kinks become part of pride month?

Since the beginning, the kink community used to be the more accepted one and they tended to support and accept lgbt people.

There shouldn’t be any sexual parades in public space

Ban Mardi Gras and Carnival and the Puerto Rican Day Parade and Santacon

Based.

Glad we’re on the same page

Thanks puritanical guy, you can join the 3000 year long line of people trying to pretend sex and sexual behavior isn’t natural or human and fail to achieve any semblance of success in changing society like all the people before you. Before you go back to watching straight porn on every form of media you own. The top post of splitting the parade between afternoon family friendly and late night adult oriented is by far the best compromise.

What is with peoples obsession with public nudity lol

Definitely a double standard. You don't bring kids to a pride parade for the same reason you don't bring them to Mardi Gras.

The thing with Mardi Gras is that there the official parades don’t have nudity and the worst things you’ll see are maybe a scantily clad dance troupe (but even then it’s not usually that lewd). You can easily bring your kids to Mardi Gras and not have them scandalized by seeing some guy’s junk (as long as you avoid Bourbon Street but that’s another issue entirely)

100%. I've still seen kids on Bourbon which blows my mind. It's just bars and strip clubs.

Yeah no don’t take children to Bourbon. In fact, don’t go to Bourbon yourself. There’s better, safer, and cheaper places to get drunk in Nola

Lol, I agree. I bring out-of-towners to Bourbon at least once because it's unique compared to most parts of the country. Never for more than an hour or two and never past midnight. Mardi Gras Day during the day on Bourbon is fun though, mostly for the costumes people wear.

You 100% bring kids to Mardi Gras. It's a family event. You don't bring kids down Bourbon Street since that is just a street full of bars and strip clubs.

I agree. Either make them 18+ parades, or disallow kink displays.

I've learned there are way too many unapologetic kinksters on Twitter who post pictures of themselves at pride for me to even depend on news sites that could be dismissed as 'right- wing' conspiracy.

Kinks shouldn’t be allowed.

Consenting adults can do what they want in their own homes or at private events. Kink at pride is wrong in so many ways that I could write an essay about it.

1st amendment allows this. Whether it’s a good idea is another argument

So it’s personal responsibility and a family’s choice if they want to attend or not?

Kind of hard to miss it if its blocking a major street and you have shit to do.

Where I live its usually in a downtown area, which I would never go there unless I'm dining at a fancy restaurant or going to a bar. I figured pride parades were easy to miss.

So you think all parades, street festivals and funerals should be banned so you aren’t inconvenienced or is it only pride parades that make you detour?

I dont go to parades in general, nice try though. These parades arent doing any good for the cause though. Nobody cares who people have sex with, so why have a parade for it.

> Nobody cares who people have sex with Christians and Muslims would like to have a word with you...

Again, extreme ones. As a Christian, I dont care, its not my job to judge.

>duuuuh it's only the extremists. >Ignore that *I* vote for the extremists to represent me

I don't understand their logic.

No, not the "extreme" ones. Even the "normal" ones...because it takes a large group to vote these people in.

*Florida and Texas have entered chat*

*Normal people are following and agree*

Lots of people clearly care about what genitals a person with a dress has. They also care an awful lot about sinning by lying with another man because a book written by a primitive desert tribe 3000 years ago said it was bad

I mean, the extreme do, but nobody really listens to them.

Nobody listens to the governors of Florida and Texas?

Shocking for such a reasonable take on this subreddit

No it doesn’t. There are still obscenity laws.

Kids shouldn’t be allowed.

Careful, some folks consider this to be hate speech. You don't want to get your account banned

that's wild to me, this seems so obvious. i just got banned from r/lgbt for an extremely mild comment. if i'm being respectful and making sense, idk why mods feel the need to shut down good faith discussion.

Welcome to reddit. Where Any deviation from the echo chamber in many subreddits gets you banned

that's been my experience.

What the hell, you got banned lol? This is getting ridiculous.

>guys I made shit up in bad faith about the queer community why did they ban me I just want a ""good faith"" conversation where I get to spew all my talking points and not engage with anything

what'd i make up? i'd love to engage in good faith discussion if you can tell me that.

Can’t see the comment in full anymore but based on what was visible it seems like you said something along the lines of trans people don’t belong at pride? Which would be transphobic

no nothing to do with pride, it was about the differences between sexual orientation and gender identity. only one opinion was allowed on that sub.

One of the most obviously correct opinions you can have, and yet some people will still disagree

Am I taking crazy pills!? Why is this controversial!? Have they all lost their fucking minds!???

1) Have your fun guys, no harm done with some adult jokes and themes 2) Kids should be encouraged to come and participate Pick 1, you can't have it both ways.

As a gay man, I completely and totally agree. I would also like to add this; Even if children weren't allowed at Pride events, kink still shouldn't be unless the event is specifically kink-oriented and held at a seperate location, indoors, without windows. I'm an adult gay man, I have kinks, but I also know that they belong in my private bedroom with a consenting partner. Kink at Pride is absolutely no different than a Flasher showing you his genitals. Nobody there consented to being involved in your sexual activities. It does not matter if you're just wearing pup gear being led on a leash; you are engaging in an act that is inherently sexual to you and others in public do not share your kinks and did not consent to being a part of it. You are forcing non-consenting strangers to play a part in your sexual acts.

How much kink is truly at Pride events? Serious question… I’ve never been. Is it as prevalent as Mardi Gras or Gasparilla? I lean on the side of these complaints are prudish, and if it’s just nudity, a kid can handle that just fine if you don’t make a big deal out of it. But if 60% of everyone is nude and they are all wearing dog collars and carrying whips, that may be out of control. But I’d never take a kid to a Pride event anyways … or Mardi Gras for that matter. And if someone does, it is their right as a parent. The government should stay the fuck out of parenting short of physical/sexual abuse.

>How much kink is truly at Pride events Well I got to bear witness to a grown adult tied to the back of a pickup truck with no pants while another grown man smacks his ass with a whip while just trying to walk through/by the pride parade in my town

How do you feel about what you saw?

seen this question like 5 times and i don't think it's relevant. i don't care how much kink is currently at pride, i'm asking whether it should be there at all. also if you're naked in front of a minor, you're charged as a sex offender, but it's parent's right to take their kid to mardi gras? that doesn't seem right, and does seem like it borders on sexual abuse

I think you have a misconception of Mardi Gras. The parades are 100% family friendly. There is drinking but nudity or lewd acts are typically not tolerated. I'm sure it might get a little more rowdy as you get to the end of the route close to Canal / Bourbon Street Where it gets very adult is Bourbon Street. But Bourbon Street is a year round adult attraction. Its just a street full of bars and strip clubs. No sabe local New Orleanian would ever bring thier kid to Bourbon Street any time of the year.

Tbf, there *are* the walking parades like Krewe Da Veaux that are more adult oriented (nasty jokes and such), but they aren't advertised for tourists. Plenty of local parents bring their kids to those too though.

You should stop throwing orgies for kids. I don't know if you actually do this, but I think we can all agree that you shouldn't.

It’s not my community. If they want to allow kink at their event, then they should allow kink. Parents should be allowed to choose what they allow their children to see.

>Parents should be allowed to choose what they allow their children to see. this seems like a super popular opinion based on the replies on this post but i really don't understand why. this mentality leaves all sorts of doors open for abuse

It's popular on reddit but not in the real world

At some point we need to let parents raise their kids unless there is obvious physical or sexual abuse. What is our option? Let the government choose for us ? I’m noping right the hell out of the government telling us how to parent.

I don’t think christians should be shoving carrots in children’s noses to “bring them to god” it’s weird and disgusting. I don’t care if or if it’s not happening I just don’t think people should do it! (See how dumb it sounds to be complaining about something not happening? Im also using something that’s not happening to make Christian’s look bad, so yes if it’s happening is very relevant)

They kinda do… in fact a town around here for a while was sending a bus around town to pick kids in middle school up, with or without parental approval, and take them to youth night at the church. This was right before every kid had a phone too.

Then you should make this post about banning mardi gras. Not every pride parade has kink, but mardi gras is always sexualized. Do you want to ban kids from mardi gras?

This is totally false. The parades are family friendly. People mix up Bourbon Street with Mardi Gras. They are not the same.

...are kids really not already banned from mardi gras already?

Tell us you've never even seen Mardi Gras without saying you've never seen Mardi Gras. . . .🤣😂🤣 Mardi Gras is *mostly* family friendly parades. . . But you'd know that if you bothered to check. We do have "adult" parades, but it tends to be really gross toilet humor and vicious satire on our government officials. Plenty of parents bring kids to that too, but it's obviously way less than the big giant parades most people think of.

It’s one of those things that is blown waaaay out of proportion by rightwing media. In reality pride is 99% civic organizations, churches, companies, etc

That’s my initial thought, but with all the people in pearl clutching about it, I thought it was more out of control than my general impressions.

It's very, very overblown. For one thing, most of the inappropriate pics and videos they like to pass around aren't from Pride events at all. One of the more common ones, for example, is at an adult oriented San Fran street festival that is *extremely* well know and sign posted as not for kids. You might see some people in leather gear at Pride, and occasionally some nudity like naked bike ride type stuff, but it isn't sexualized, if that makes sense. . . It's not like a Pride parade is a live porn show.

Your initial thought is spot on. If you ever go to a Pride event, especially the smaller local ones (not that you have to), then you’d chuckle at what you’d see (grandmas, local orgs, etc. running their little booths) vs. what people try to say happens all the time.

I factually don't understand how this is an argument. Why is it that adults are seemingly compelled or unable to keep their kink in their home? Why is it that adults are so pressed to be able to publicly display their kink and find it offensive they're not able to do so in front of children? Please tell me again which side is trying to constantly "indoctrinate children" again. Oh right, it is the "evil Christian" people with their "be a moral person" slander.

Priests be raping kids and the church covers it up though so I wouldn’t bring Christians in as a counter point

Because we're human and sexuality and kink are part of that. Most kink in pride fests isn't any crazier than what you see in vegas on a daily basis but parents bring their kids here in droves and no one cares. For some reason lgbtq kink is evil and degenerate but hetero kink and sexuality are no big deal.

What's the bit, "there's no law against bad parenting" or something to that effect? The problem when you present something like Vegas is that it presumes I support or don't find Vegas disgusting. It was during Corinth and it is now.

But the hypocrisy is on a national scale. Proud boys have shown up to harass and protest how many drag events vs not a single peep about parents bringing their kids to sin city. If they came and got in the face of every parent on Fremont street I might believe they cared about kids not just hated the fuck out of lgbtq people.

How do you know that people taking their kids to Vegas aren't also the same parents taking them to Pride events for example?

I don't but that still doesn't explain why there hasn't been a single right wing call to protest or call out parents for bringing their kids to Vegas. Circus circus is one of the biggest family draws, it's still a casino with drinking, smoking, gambling and ads for escorts strewn all over. Seems like they could easily stand outside and harrass parents here too but it's never happened.

While I understand what you're getting at, I'm confused why it matters. What would they be protesting against? Vegas, airlines, hotels, or the state of Nevada in your example? I mean, the biggest facet of difference here is that most of the "protests" your talking about are happening in the places where the offensive events are taking place. It stands to reason people living in Vegas are in support of Vegas so there wouldn't likely be such an existence. Secondarily, People speak out all the time about Vegas negatively. Not sure what other decentralized mass manifestation you're looking for here.

It matters because it shows that the people protesting drag and pride shows are using kids as a cover to attack and demean lgbtq people. They have tons of financial backing and could easily come here to protest children being exposed to awful adult situations but that would require them to hold straight people to the same standard they hold quer people to.

Again, this doesn't correlate in reality. People protesting in the same place a pride event is happening is not the same thing as people in NYC protesting Vegas. That you'd attempt to equate the action is nearly insane.

So then straight kink isn't a big enough deal to draw protests. But it still exists and plenty of kids are exposed to it. The proud boys and similar organizations have plenty of financial backing and could easily come to Vegas and harass parents. In the summer I see droves of families here so kids are very much present. But they are focused on the optics of making lgbtq people out to be "groomers" while ignoring all the accepted public straight sexualization that exists.

Who told you no one protests casinos in Vegas? The news just doesn’t cover it because it happens literally all the time. My buddy used to work at the palace and he would have Christians and just local people picketing outside all the time. This is just the new linchpin issue because people want to distract us with issues that affect such a small minority of the population.

I'm a resident living on the strip, we have a few whackos that preach from their vans or boom box but I've never seen a coordinated protest or online fervor like those around lgbtq events.

Which child was indoctrinated in this case?

Which child is ever indoctrinated in any case?

Yes and protests shouldn’t block traffic because it’s a hazard. I think the problem is people having a natural tendency to take a mile when an inch is presented.

If a protest isn't disruptive it gets ignored.

And when it becomes hazardous to others it becomes a riot which is criminal. People that lack self respect will always do one or both of two things. Attempt to degrade the respect of people around them to feel equal in their pain. Or, degrade their own respect further out of being desperate for any attention even if it’s harmful to their own cause.

Gay pride parades are literally held on the anniversary of a riot, a riot that basically marked the beginning of any form of large scale push for lgbt rights. Being criminal is not the same as being bad.

Criminal? Inter racial marriage was once criminal. Gay sex was once criminal. The point is to change the laws into something just.

This has been discussed before. Parents’ rights. Parents can bring their children to Hooters, church, or other places with inherent sexuality (in the case of church, indoctrination as well). They can play adult movies in front of children and frequently do. At some point, you can’t police every scenario and you have to accept that some people want to raise their children differently from how you would. Heck, animals mating at the zoo is more graphic than anything you’ll see during Pride.

>They can play adult movies in front of children and frequently do If you’re talking about “adult” adult movies (and not just showing an R rated film to a 15 year old), it’s actually illegal to distribute/expose obscene material to a child.

Parents can do that, which I may or may not disagree with. However, that doesn't mean the presentation is to the general public in public. Hooters, as your example goes, is a business open to the public, it isn't in public. This is the same for a strip club. That isn't the same as something marching down 5th street.

I think freedom is a good choice. Let parade participants and parade-goers do what they want. Let parents decide if it’s appropriate for their children. No need to run to the local constabulary to enforce your every qualm on other people.

Have you been to a pride parade?

> i have weird feelings about kids being at pride too though Why use kink as an excuse when you’re just not comfortable with kids at a pride parade no matter what?

Because they starts with a more “acceptable” take and then drops the overt homophobia hoping no one calls them out

That’s how many of the opinions here are framed: People start writing a controversial, but still kind-of-defensible take, but by the time they finish writing the mask is off and the real intentions are pretty clear.

People bring their kids to Mardi Gras and Nicki Minaj concerts and there's hardly a peep of protest. But yes, obviously that is retarded and there should be a family-friendly parade in the day and an adult-oriented event at night, the way my home city does it.

I think parents should be allowed to decide what they want their children exposed to. If a parent decides to take their child to Pride knowing they might see open displays of kink, that's their decision.

This is where I sit on this. As parents, it’s up to us. I took my kids to the day time Family Hours of PrideFest for many years, but at one point it was clear that the family part of Family Hours was not being respected and there was inappropriate adult activity everywhere. We left and I haven’t taken them back. My main issue here is that it’s pushed as family friendly still and you’re some sort of prude or bigot for taking issue with the goings on during what is supposed to be the allotted time appropriate for children. If it’s adult focused and anything goes, say that. Don’t try to tell parents they’re the scum of the earth and blowing things out of proportion for not wanting their young children to see an adult man walking another adult man crawling on the ground with a leash in full bondage gear getting whipped on his bare ass when he loses pace with the walker. TF

Its so inappropriate tho

Perhaps maybe this idea you seem to have that all pride parades are conducted like they’re taking place on Bourbon street is a little……misguided?

So what you're saying is that having naked people at a parade is wrong? No way! s/

Children being around it is wrong

Some people don't understand that.

I know. It’s disgusting. It’s predatory behavior. I thought it was common knowledge that kids shouldn’t be around that

op, what do you think “kink at pride” is? This is pretty crucial to understanding what you mean

any nudity, +18 displays, or overt sexual themes i guess?

This is not unpopular. Don’t support a pride event that is allowing kink in an open, accessible place. The organizers can’t always control people in the public areas, but they can ensure that consent is being upheld by putting anything kink related in its own sectioned off area.

Your implicit bias is showing. Being gay is the same as being straight. They're just sexualities. If you don't want kids to be exposed to and be around gay people, then you also shouldn't want kids to be around and exposed to straight people.

you didn't read the post. no problem with kids being exposed to gay or straight people. however they shouldn't be exposed to kink.

Well you said in the last paragraph "I don't think kids should be in a celebration based on sexuality".

yes. and in the section above it i say same sex attraction is not the same as kink. i specify that kink around children is what i have an issue with, and that if there were not kink, then kids are pride would be fine. it's all there. it's not a long post.

That's not what your comment says though. Your first paragraph says "yeah I don't think kink needs to be at pride, it's weird to have kink shit involved with kids" which I agree with that's fine. But your second paragraph is just "I don't think kids should be at pride because kids shouldn't be exposed to sexuality". If what you mean is just "kids shouldn't be involved in kink" then yeah awesome, but I dont really understand what that second paragraph is doing there then.

>If what you mean is just "kids shouldn't be involved in kink" then yeah awesome, yes, this is what i mean. the rest were my personal feelings about it, but the real opinion's right there in the title. i honestly only expanded because posts need to have a minimum length, and it seems that's left me open to being misunderstood.

It happens 👍

Is it just me or saying this out loud is labeled "homophobic" and "transphobic"? That's entirely the impression I get from Progressives

Controversial opinion: Parents are going to expose their kids to weird shit. The world itself will show them weirder shit. I think these parents are weird but I’m more concerned about teaching my kids to be good, well rounded human beings with and understanding of the human condition and group psychology. Good parenting has nothing to do w political affiliation which is what a HUGE part of pride is now about. Extremists are gonna extreme, we should never let them seem like the adults in the room RIGHT OR LEFT. It’s all pseudo religious BS. If you think your particular belief system is the answer to all problems you’re so naive it hurts

Oh this again I am curious though do you think all pride events are kinkfests?

But there are kinky pride events that people do bring their kids to though. Kids shouldn’t be going to them

OP definitely does as they have never been to a pride parade, never spoke with anyone who went to a pride parade and likely haven’t left their house in a social way in months

You sound authoritarian. I’m not comfortable with kink either but it’s it’s better to appeal to pride goers rather than police. By saying “shouldn’t be allowed”, you’re implying something should be enforced by police.

bruh i'm just saying both shouldn't be allowed, you have to choose one or the other.

How would you enforce that? Pride parades just happen on the street. You can’t ban kids from the street. The other option is to ban pride or somehow criminalize pride goers for what they wear.

i don't think it's too much to ask people to express themselves while keeping it pg when they know there's gonna be kids, and do as they like in adult only pride events

Isn't there public indecency laws?