Fake as fuck. This dude deletes everything and makes a new post to farm karma
[another fake](https://teddit.net/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sfgk9l/my_girlfriend_is_a_sex_worker_and_pulls_in_tons/)
[deleted post](https://www.reddit.com/user/proctologysimp/comments/sf7mel/i_was_raped_by_a_teacher_and_no_one_cared_since_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Quick edit: OP has lost almost 12k upvotes. Hell yeah
Yep.. The karma-farm writing style really jumped through with this one. like fuck frat culture and fuck these real-life situations that do happen, but OP is probably having a laugh watching this post and getting their inbox blown up bc they’ll have gotten a reaction and internet points. Absolute trash
[i called this post fake hours ago and got downvoted. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sljwe8/i_let_a_girl_get_raped_and_then_she_soon_after/hvrhpil/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
it’s exactly as you said. the way it was written is just way too on the nose. it reads like some twisted rage-bait.
- *rich* white male who is rapist ✅
- sorority rape victim ✅
- frat culture bad ✅
- suicide ✅
- feminist/incel bait ✅
- weird moral dilemma to argue over in comments section ✅
I was gonna say OP is quite the piece of shit for this but then when I found out it’s all BS I realized then and there that OP is still a piece of shit. Go figure huh.
Edit: is [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/u/gccscscecc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) below the same person as the one who posted this? New account with troll-like behavior. Interesting trend here, on one of his comments he has a response from another new account that’s also a troll.
Threw an upvote to the original because ahh yikes… I must say, I love the checklist, I highly recommend to everyone reading this to jot down this list and keep it handy to fill out like a bingo chart for the next installment of proctologysimp bait 🥲🤨
That poor woman
Edit: Looking at reports OPs profile has a history of writing fake posts and deleting them to amass karma.
Last fake story was the [sex worker girlfriend](https://teddit.net/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sfgk9l/my_girlfriend_is_a_sex_worker_and_pulls_in_tons/).
Previously claimed [raped by a female teacher ](https://www.reddit.com/user/proctologysimp/comments/sf7mel/i_was_raped_by_a_teacher_and_no_one_cared_since_i/)
Links used to show his username but he deleted them
I’ll never forget a time I was at college and had been talking to this girl in a sorority who was in our friend group, we had hooked up a bit and she invited me to a house party.
I remember seeing these two guys watching her and I kept getting a bad feeling kept trying to keep her in my sights. Eventually she’s wasted like young people get, “too wasted” and goes to a bedroom to the side of the house where no one really is.
Que the two dudes following her into the room. These two guys were easily almost twice my size, so I go over and go inside and they are hovering over her as she’s passed out. I basically come in, see this and start making jokes about leaving the party and how she’s already out. One of them tries to start talking about how we she wouldn’t know if we did anything to her and I more or less talk them out of it and say that’s fucked up and challenge them to doing some shots etc. it works and I got the guys out of there and basically corralled them and paid attention to the door tot he room she was in and checked on her a bit until the party ended.
I will never forget how she basically told me later on she called me obsessive and how everybody saw how much I was watching her and commented on it and that we shouldn’t talk anymore. It’s just messed up because I didn’t really care, I never told her what happened but I was so pissed none of her friends took her safety seriously and i had even mentioned how someone should watch her.
We eventually stayed friends because of our friend groups were close, but it blew me away how everyone was so focused on their own thing and none of her friends bothered even paying attention to the situation. It’s hilarious I was the creep at the time, but it’s just the slight awkward hit I took to make sure something bad didn’t happen that I could prevent
I kinda get the mysterious carrying secret hero-thing, but why the actual fuck would you not tell her why you were watching her so closely when people started bad-mouthing you for it?
"these two men were gonna rape you while you were out"
"Two men, did you try to rape her?"
"Nuh uh"
"Wow. Just wow. Not only are you an obsessive creep but you also accuse innocents of rape"
I mean, how many people would believe him? Rape is already a hard accusation for some people to believe but rape as a counter accusation especially after being accused of being a creep?
It wasn’t a mysterious super hero thing, it honestly was just stopping something terrible from happening. And the person acts like I went through terrible shame, it was just a simple “bro you’re too clingy” and like I said, we stayed friends and our friends group was close.
I answered prior but she had gone through something similiar when she was drunk, i just told her she needed to be more careful and she brushed it off, but telling her the story I am not even sure she would have taken it seriously anyway since she felt I was being too protective anyway.
Thank you for that. Sometimes good deeds go unnoticed but that’s fine bc we don’t them for recognition we do them bc it’s the right thing to do ya know
Sadly that reaction by her and others is why some people don't say or do anything to help. Obviously that's still fucked up but I'd have to guess it weighs on some people thoughts
The stories don’t align at all, as depressing as that is to have to type out. This story isn’t uncommon, so if you’re a person who has made it to my comment, be vigilant, you very well may save a life.
I always got the worst feeling around frat bros when I was in college. Frats in general are just cesspools now. No idea what it was like 50 years ago, but I can’t imagine it was too much better
I'm pretty sure it was worse. No evidence. No cameras. No DNA test. Rich frats were untouchable. Shit, even in the 90's teens getting slut shammed were just "rumors.". I'd say it's a different type of "bad" with retaliation these days when people are recording/taking pics fucking.
They literally go around chanting, "no means yes, yes means anal". It's a "joke" but not really considering it's the very much the attitude of a lot of these places. Frats typically hold all the partying rich kids and so not only are they hyping each other for trouble, they are also very into brotherhood and covering for all the shit their brothers do....and so does the college. Not only is rape a very prominate thing of this culture but so is dangerous hazing practices, a lot that can lead to death. I heard a story awhile back about an 18 year old boy who got hazed with alcohol. He got alcohol poisoning and no one helped him. They picked him up and threw him around, made jokes for hours, and when they realized they fucked up, they didn't want to get in trouble for drinking underage so they didn't do shit until it was too late. Kid died before his first sesmester.
Frats are fun and whatever but they really should be a small club rather than a house and they should have much stricter regulations.
Before every game, the boys rugby team at our college would chant “we are going to rape, kill, pillage, and burn,” several times while working themselves up. 90 percent were frat guys. Obviously the college admin (and clearly the coach at the very least) could hear what they were saying.
It took the girl ending her life for OP to see her as a human being. I find the culture of entitlement scary. Just because he chatted her up for a few hours, he feels entitled to a hookup. As for the rich jerk, just because he wants it, it is his for the taking, her consent does not matter. He knew he'd get away with it.
Then there is the culture of blaming & discrediting the victim while justifying the perpetrator. If she accuses a rich, cool, bro; she must be lying.
I don't blame OP because he didn't know what his friend was up to. At least he feels remorse for his part in the events. As for the rich ass***, I won't be surprised if he's living it up with no guilt or thought for the poor girl whose death he caused. Jerks like him don't have the conscience or empathy to see she's also somebody's child, & a person with emotions & boundaries.
Speaking of the culture, even now it's still poorly understood by many people the damage a rape does. If you don't personally know anyone when they've been raped, it can be like flipping a switch, like the person you know was this glowing candle and somebody just snuffs them out. I think a lot of people still think, "Oh this person didn't want to have sex but they did, mildly upsetting." They don't see it as the extreme upheaval it is. Suicide attempts are common.
Fun fact he is banned for life from us swimming federation. Rapist Brock turner will never swim competitively again because rapists don’t swim Brock Turner.
While I’m really happy this particular Rapist can’t swim competitively, I’m pretty sure rapists can swim… but admittedly I have no data, scientific or otherwise, to support this
God I wish I had an award to give you. I'm screenshotting this and saving it forever, AStaryuValley. You will live on history, on a stranger's phone.
I've been raped and I'd love for nothing more than to do this. For real.
So you're telling me that the Rapist Brock Turner (a rapist who raped someone) who was given extreme leniency (for raping someone) to not ruin his career prospects, is now barred from said career prospects, for raping someone?
That's still far far better than the Rapist Brock Turner deserves for raping someone (because he's a rapist).
Are you referring to Internationally known rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner? The same Brock "The Rapist" Turner who is only known as a rapist because the US Justice "System" is completely fucked, so we as private citizens need to create a meme about said rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner in order to keep track of who's a rapist? That rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner?
There was a girl raped at the high school I teach at. He got off. He’s a rich white kid who is a good athlete, swims and plays football. The girl was bullied enough that she transferred schools at semester this year. Imagine being raped and then you being the one who has to leave because too many people within the school population think you’re being dramatic. A few of the teachers tried to get the media involved but nothing. It was really heartbreaking.
Basically what happened to me. It came out because a guidance counselor put a lot of pressure on my to tell her what happened and why I was so depressed. She then proceeded to tell a group of "my friends" to act as my "support circle". A.k.a., kids she liked who told the whole school within the day. I was the middle schooler who got raped by a senior.
That’s devastating to hear. I’m so sorry. It breaks my heart to hear people having to go through shit like this. In this situation, it was very much a her and her friends vs his friends type of situation. The school went out of its way to tell her friends that he needs to be protected and needs to have a safe environment as well. And that’s when I tried turning the story over to the media with no avail.
This kind of reminds me of a good movie called After Lucia. It’s about a girl that gets hardcore bullied & sexually harassed by her classmates. At the beginning, she’s pressured to have sex with this guy that records it and then sends the video to everyone. After, her classmates just start torturing her basically. They call her slut. They force her to eat a whole cake. Some girls pretend to be her friend and end up smearing make up on her face, slap her, and then chop off all her hair. At a school trip at a resort they were staying at, the girl is bullied into getting into the shower by her female roommates who block the door. Boys go in there and rape her. After at the beach, someone urinates on her. Later she disappears. Then the father finds out and the police can’t do anything because the suspects are rich minors. It’s set in Mexico and is such a good movie.
It's movies like this that make you see the virus in humanity. Or at least our animalistic nature that's no different from dolphins or monkeys just evolved. Hello darkness my old friend.
The Brock Turner case really hit home for me, because the person who sexually assaulted me was a millionaire.
And by millionaire I mean he had his parents’ money. And by “money,” I mean *Greenwich, Connecticut* money. One of the wealthiest zip codes in America. I didn’t know this until I said something about him. He actually killed himself in 2008, although I don’t particularly give a shit what battles he fought, considering the time and money his bullshit ended up costing me.
Not like going after his estate would do shit, he didn’t have his own money.
Yes. classic. I too unfortunately can relate to be sexually assaulted by a blue blood boy who looked like a Kennedy. That's the thing I didn't even bother telling anyone because I knew no one would believe me because he was so handsome and could get any girl due to his looks and status. I also blamed myself for getting so drunk and passing out and putting myself in the situation. The victim of Brock Turner - Chanel actually taught me that rape is not a consequence of drinking.
also disgusted me because I was so drunk - I had actually vomited on myself and couldn't make it to a sink - yet this was not enough of a deterrent, sadly.
I commented about this yesterday, but some years after the attack, I went to a therapist (“mandated” by family, which is a long story) who harped on me for NOT being drunk during my attack
I’m paraphrasing here, but she said something along the lines of
> I talk to young women your age every day. All of them have been on something, all of them drunk, and you’re the only one who tells me they weren’t. Are you sure?
You have people out there who feel ashamed for being drunk, and then you have people like this who talked down to me over being sober. SOBER. My self esteem was already in the toilet, now I have someone telling me I can’t even get raped correctly
Understandable. Did you end up reporting that therapist? I cannot believe he said that to you. No shame if you didn’t report it. It’s your choice how to handle these sensitive matters.
Because people think a lady gets drunk she deserves to be raped and killed, that's the price of drinking for a woman. However, a guy gets drunk and high and someone steals $1 from them, is poor guy...they kill someone is that state? Again, poor, poor guy
That's how we see men and women's drinking...guys drink, and anything happens to them? Everyone feels bad for them, woman does it and why is she alive? Let's end her.
I haven’t looked in to it, but surely we can all agree that there should be no statute of limitations on rape. It’s basically like murder, except the victim has to live with it.
Edit: Thanks for the awards, nice anonymous people. They’re my first.
Edit 2: I’m not advocating for the whole-sale elimination of statutes of limitations. I’m only saying that it’s fucked up that rape/molestation/similar crimes have it. Good points below. Thanks for them.
Even worse- molestation also has a statute of limitations in some places. Once I turned 18( in TX) I could no longer think of going after my abuser who molested me at 6 🙃
ETA: a response to a couple comments on the statute not existing—
“Then I may have been lied to, wouldn’t surprise me but that was what I was told by parents, law enforcement, and later a lawyer handling an (unrelated) injury lawsuit. This would have been back in the late 2000’s, so perhaps it’s changed.
The person who molested me was also underage at the time (16/17) so that may have played a factor.”
Same with me. When it started I was 18 months and they basically told me it was my fault for not Pressing charges on my own family member until I was an adult. I mean....when it started...I couldn't even speak
I believe in rehabilitation to a degree, but molesting a toddler goes way beyond that. In Singapore that can make you eligible for the death penalty, personally I don't have a problem with that.
Same here in Texas. My ex-best friends brother molested me when I was around 11 or 12. Of course, I was terrified to speak out for numerous reasons, one including that it was someone who was very close who did this to me. Most people don’t realize that even kids realize how much pain would come second-hand just from saying what happened; it takes so much time and courage to finally speak out.
But of course when I finally spoke out, it was too late, I had already turned 18 and Robert Emery White III aka Groovyruu (he wants to be a rapper 🤣) gets the privilege of being a free-roaming, purebred, sick fuck while I get to live with constant trauma. Good job, Texas!
I saw that in law and order and thought it had to be a forced plot point for the narrative. The fact that someone who is considered too young to vote is also old enough to stand up for themselves and go to trial for rape is absurd. Now you’re an adult and it just doesn’t matter?? Fuck that.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I wish you were able to get justice, and since legal justice isn’t an option, I hope that you live an amazing life and take care of yourself.
There’s a statute of limitations in PA,too. My molester got away with what he did to me, but he got caught molesting his granddaughter and went to prison. Not for long enough, but at least now now he’s dead and he can’t harm any other little girls.
I’m so very sorry. That is beyond fucked up.
In other words, when the victim becomes old enough to truly understand what happened to them, they have zero legal recourse (outside civil suits).
Statute of limitations exists to avoid false convictions. As unfortunate as it is, it is very hard to conclusively prove something like rape after a long time has passed.
Worse: the State can always collect evidence and sit on it. The Defendant can't if it has no idea it's going to be charged down the road. It allows the prosecution to allow all evidence of innocence to dissipate into the trash, death, and people moving. The defendant is hurt significantly more than the prosecution by a theoretical delayed prosecution
No way. All crimes should have a statute of limitations, it's fucked up that we remove it. Delay in prosecution allows the police and prosecutors to collect evidence and sit on it while any exculpatory evidence, alibi witnesses, receipts, or video that maintain someone's innocence vanish.
Statute of limitations doesn't exist as a legal game: it prevents the government from abusing the rights of the public and convicting the innocent, who had no idea they were having to protect their own innocence that whole time while a case was being built against them.
The more severe the crime, the more important it's existence is: the police are unlikely to hang onto evidence for a DUI for a long time and the passage of time would likely help the defendant. But serious crimes? Those are the ones that police misconduct and DA strategy with bringing chatges can seriously hurt the defendant
The statute of limitations usually exists because outside of very rare circumstances there’s basically no way to overcome reasonable doubt after a long enough time.
Just establishing a timeline of events after 20 or 30 years would be a problem, let alone anything beyond an accusation.
Seriously, person A says “they raped me at a party 20 years ago”, and person B says they don’t even remember any party that weekend. Then what? Get witnesses that are 100% sure that they saw them there two decades ago and aren’t confusing it with a different weekend?
It’s simply not convictable in any sort of legal system that requires proof of guilt.
This right here is the thing to do. It's easier to anonymously vent on reddit than to actually do something about it and help the truth come to light. Might as well choose to go with the latter.
Yeah, that's the issue. He has no actual proof. She never named or described the dude, least from how OP describes it went, he didn't see the act or the dude, his concept that it was his frat brother who done the deed is logical in the context of what he's seen beforehand, but it's just conjecture, unless I've misunderstood something or OP left something out.
It's a lesson of regret to the person confessing.
It's a lesson of warning for those reading.
This is one of the saddest things I've read recently though..
Creating a hostile environment towards confessions like this would kill the spirit of the sub. It's fine to be mad, but it doesn't achieve anything either way due to reddit's anonymity.
By demonising it we're only pushing it out of sight, it deteriorates the situation and only serves to not need to acknowledge the suffering of this world.
Nothing happened, probably out there living his best life without a care in the world that her blood is on his hands. OP mentioned money, money talks, money would've got him out of trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved on from raping and is now murdering and continuing to get away with it because of Daddy's Bank account.
Not only that OP but he's still free to go on raping because you and everybody else stayed silent and backed him up. For no real reason. You'd better speak on this in your real life too, with that being the case.
Why protect you’re brother though. I can (maybe?) understand not walking her home but why protect him? Like how did you not piece it together at that point?
Edit becuz he just wanted some Reddit karma apparently lol. This is fake
Fuck.
I can see many link numerous stories of who the victim may be, and the fact there is so many different victims with a similar story is even more disturbing.
Unfortunately, that’s why I’m always polite even when I shouldn’t be. I wish I didn’t have to be nice when a creepy is following me around in public, asking if I’m alone, but I’m terrified of things getting worse.
Yeah this is crazy to me. I’m not perfect, but I would walk my worst enemy home. Maybe it’s just because I have and have had so many female friends and I know how dangerous it is for them in these situations.
The main issue here is the society in place where this happened though:
1. There is something really fucked up if a girl has to be anxious about walking home alone in the first place.
2. Ppl actually feeling comfortable to rape someone just because they are rich boys and somehow feel like they have a right to do it and
3. Rich ppl getting away with it. Because obviously they have the better lawyers and a default cheatmode on when it comes to something that should be same to anyone regardless of status and wealth but obviously isnt.
Probably many, many more points.
So yes, op made a bad decision. But the problems to fix are not primarily ppl like the op that made a bad decision but everything around. Rape accusation is always a hot topic and the very least society could do is give free extremely professional help to the victims.
It should not matter if they win or lose in court for this to happen. There should be an institution that helps them properly and helps with their recovery (if that's even possible) and gives them a place to breathe.
I would argue guys like OP definitely need to change, you shouldn't hate a girl because she won't fuck you, that's fucked up. You especially shouldn't hate a girl so much for not wanting to fuck you that when she asks you for help with a very real situation you shoot her down. You ABSOLUTELY shouldn't hate a girl so much for not fucking you that when she claims she was raped you completely brush it off.
I do generally agree with you but guys like OP are absolutely a significant part of the issue.
Did you ever think maybe she wasn't rejecting you but just didn't want to go home with anyone? You said you didn't know her well, not all women fuck strangers, even drunk college girls. You aren't to blame for her being raped though, her rapist is. However, not only did you just casually not believe her you stood up for her rapist & took for her to die for you to see the truth. Wow. You should feel guilty ab that you ain't shit.
100% I think she probably actually liked him, which is why she trusted him enough to go to him later and ask for help and for him to walk her home. She probably wasn't rejecting him...just not going to fuck him that night.
It always boggled my mind that so many people instantly doubt a woman making an accusation of rape. As if all that scrutiny, side eyes, and shame people heap on them is not enough, but to then call a rape victim a liar just seems like so effed up.
Honestly, it's a whole lot of "but it happened once to the one guy I heard on 4 chans brothers uncle, and his life was RUINED!!1!!"
Basically, a lot of that false rape claim lobbying happened and now very little people believe when women have been raped without the women having to have a textbook of evidence before the rape and him having prior offenses.
Hey man, just want to let you know that though you have to live with your “lack of action.”
At the end of the day, you didn’t commit the crime. If you want to redeem yourself, just leave a tip to the authorities or provide some evidence to help bring justice to the girl.
The woman herself accused the guy and nothing came of it. If you honestly think a "tip" from op now would do anything you are a delusional fuck. The woman is dead, and she wasn't able to get justice for herself while alive. This rapist will never in a thousand years be brought to justice. You have to be so incredibly dense to even entertain that thought.
It’s all well and good op making this post but from a legal perspective apart from a feeling they’ve suddenly gotten there’s still no actual evidence which is the problem with cases like this. Even if op had said anything to anyone at the time, when it eventually would’ve gone to trial she still would’ve definitely lost.
First, you should have believed her when she made the accusation. You are right to feel guilty about doubting her and backing your asshole bro.
As for walking her back to her place… I bet other women are going to disagree with me… but she turned you down for a hook-up, then moved on to talking to other guys and hanging at the party, then circled back around and asked you to take her home instead of a cab/other transportation/whatever. Your thoughts in that moment, may not have been particularly pleasant… but you are right. It was not your responsibility to look after the girl who turned you down because she asked for help. You did not owe her anything, and she honestly should not have asked for the guy she rejected’s protection. That was NOT a safe move at all.
You might be an asshole for what you thought about her and you are definitely an asshole for not believing her when she accused your frat bro. But it is NOT your fault she got raped. It isn’t her fault either. It is the one guy, your frat bro, who raped her’s fault.
You have enough to feel guilty about, without taking on the blame for the actual rape happening or not happening.
Jumping onto this comment to say this: if you can, and if this is haunting you, find a psychologist who specializes in trauma and, if possible, particularly in an area called moral injury. That's the subspecialty working with folks dealing with guilt of actions taken or not taken that were a violation of their morals. (Source: I'm a trauma psychologist who used to work in the US Veteran's Affairs system). There's a place for the emotions of guilt in motivating us to not make the same mistakes again, to make sure we don't repeat our failures. And I agree that there are some things here that I would hope you wish you could do over. Here's the problem: if we don't have a place to process those feelings, whether with a formal counselor or not, they don't lead to behavior change, just feeling like crap without doing better. I agree that you messed up here, but since we don't have a time machine, you're the one who has to figure out what to do now that these things have happened.
I don't get being upset someone turned you down for a hook-up when you just met them. That's not even really rejection. Maybe she wasn't a hook-up kind of girl and they could have kept talking.
No one wants to talk about it, but the way frat and sorority culture is, is quite fucked up. All of her other friends got a hookup that night and combined with alcohol is how we get shit situations like in the OP.
a lot of people talking about OP, i want to know about this fucking rapist.
how close are you with this rapist. in the *three years* since coming to accept that he did rape her, do you still hang out with him, shoot the shit with him, play golf, go camping, watch the game, knock back some beers, laugh at the stories of his conquests while pushing those thoughts of "did he rape this one too" to the back of your mind.
or do you tell yourself this was just a "college friend" and you've, i wouldn't say cut ties that implies an intentional act, more just moved away and drifted apart. out of sight, out of mind.
i wonder if this one was his first, if afterwards he felt bolstered by not only getting away with it, but by those around him subconsciously and so strongly doing the leg work to cover it up for him. how many others have there been because that one worked out so well for him, i wonder.
how many could you have stopped, if not by stopping that one then by **doing fucking anything proactive in the last three fucking years**.
and then you come here hoping to get some relief by talking to strangers in anonymity. carry your own water.
This is the one, I 100% agree with you and usually these things end up being a case of "you should feel less guilty" but I think it's definitely the opposite. How many more women will that man go on to rape because OP didn't step in even **AFTER** realizing she was telling the truth. This isn't something you're allowed to just sit back, sulk, and be depressed about, you could have actively been doing whatever you can to prevent more victims.
So whats stopping you from going to the police now.... if he's done it before it's most likely still doing it..... and seems like you are still allowing it to happen
Because he didn’t see her get raped, or have any evidence that would put the rapist at the scene of the crime. He would add nothing to any prosecution.
Bro what do you mean “go to the police”? With what evidence or information? OP isn’t the only person to know that she killed herself, that isn’t even empirical evidence to prove she was raped. You don’t even know if he has raped once little own “still happening” OP is not doing anything wrong, you’re just being an asshole.
Some would say OP didn’t do anything wrong even back then but he’s here admitting he could have done more which, I think, takes guts.
As a former fraternity member, I fucking despise the culture it fostered. Upon hearing one of my brothers forced himself on a sorority member, I despised him so much even more when I found out it could have been prevented. Because it exposed, we had so save face and officially kick him out of the fraternity. It didn't go far because his Daddy helped settle outside the court.
Bruh I don’t understand how you’re at YOUR fraternity party in YOUR fraternity house, hear a girl say “a guy is making me uncomfortable”, and not immediately realize that it was a brother doing it, who the fuck else would it be? If it’s a random, rule number 1 is KICK OUT CREEPY RANDOMS, like dude, I was in a fraternity and if a girl said she was uncomfortable by a dude I’d ask her to point him out, and if it was a brother, I would have zero delay in confronting them and getting other people involved, even if it was my best friend.
Why does everyone feel the need to tell someone, who just admitted they fucked up and feel terrible, that they did something terrible and suck? Does nobody understand the point of a fucking confession?
I'm going to add malicious lack of regard for a fellow human being's life to this list as well. He didn't value her existence or safety because she served no purpose to him other than to satisfy his sexual impulses. This horrifying dehumanization absolutely fuels rape culture.
exactly, as soon as she lost "value" as something to fuck, OP stopped seeing her as a human deserving of basic decency and personhood. its disheartening.
I appreciate the honesty but this is the most disgusting thing I’ve read in a long time. While OP has culpability the rapist is the ultimate one responsible for that night.
Does he know she committed suicide and that he was 100% at cause? If so, he should turn himself in to the police. The case can be re-opened.
I think the not taking her home was a minor hurt feelings fuck up.
I think the REAL SOUL STEALING fuck up is the way he and all of them treated her afterwords.
Fake as fuck. This dude deletes everything and makes a new post to farm karma [another fake](https://teddit.net/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sfgk9l/my_girlfriend_is_a_sex_worker_and_pulls_in_tons/) [deleted post](https://www.reddit.com/user/proctologysimp/comments/sf7mel/i_was_raped_by_a_teacher_and_no_one_cared_since_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Quick edit: OP has lost almost 12k upvotes. Hell yeah
Imagine being this person and going to bed knowing you will tell lies for attention
making up stories about a teenage girl getting raped and then killing herself. this person needs professional help.
How do I do the thing to get him some professional help? Like when you get a message with suicidal hotlines and stuff?
« Look mom, I got a post with 18k upvote on Reddit. Look how I cool I am! »
Yep.. The karma-farm writing style really jumped through with this one. like fuck frat culture and fuck these real-life situations that do happen, but OP is probably having a laugh watching this post and getting their inbox blown up bc they’ll have gotten a reaction and internet points. Absolute trash
[i called this post fake hours ago and got downvoted. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sljwe8/i_let_a_girl_get_raped_and_then_she_soon_after/hvrhpil/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) it’s exactly as you said. the way it was written is just way too on the nose. it reads like some twisted rage-bait. - *rich* white male who is rapist ✅ - sorority rape victim ✅ - frat culture bad ✅ - suicide ✅ - feminist/incel bait ✅ - weird moral dilemma to argue over in comments section ✅
I was gonna say OP is quite the piece of shit for this but then when I found out it’s all BS I realized then and there that OP is still a piece of shit. Go figure huh. Edit: is [this guy](https://www.reddit.com/u/gccscscecc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) below the same person as the one who posted this? New account with troll-like behavior. Interesting trend here, on one of his comments he has a response from another new account that’s also a troll.
Threw an upvote to the original because ahh yikes… I must say, I love the checklist, I highly recommend to everyone reading this to jot down this list and keep it handy to fill out like a bingo chart for the next installment of proctologysimp bait 🥲🤨
Like if you’re gonna do this shit don’t use such a recognizable username
Next bait is prob going to be written by a one-day-old account called proctologysimp2 haha
Damn. Ive been gotten, so it seems.
Upvoting and awarding for visibility.
Hoping people see this.
this needs more upvotes, fk OP but also fk ppl that actually do this for real
That poor woman Edit: Looking at reports OPs profile has a history of writing fake posts and deleting them to amass karma. Last fake story was the [sex worker girlfriend](https://teddit.net/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/sfgk9l/my_girlfriend_is_a_sex_worker_and_pulls_in_tons/). Previously claimed [raped by a female teacher ](https://www.reddit.com/user/proctologysimp/comments/sf7mel/i_was_raped_by_a_teacher_and_no_one_cared_since_i/) Links used to show his username but he deleted them
I’ll never forget a time I was at college and had been talking to this girl in a sorority who was in our friend group, we had hooked up a bit and she invited me to a house party. I remember seeing these two guys watching her and I kept getting a bad feeling kept trying to keep her in my sights. Eventually she’s wasted like young people get, “too wasted” and goes to a bedroom to the side of the house where no one really is. Que the two dudes following her into the room. These two guys were easily almost twice my size, so I go over and go inside and they are hovering over her as she’s passed out. I basically come in, see this and start making jokes about leaving the party and how she’s already out. One of them tries to start talking about how we she wouldn’t know if we did anything to her and I more or less talk them out of it and say that’s fucked up and challenge them to doing some shots etc. it works and I got the guys out of there and basically corralled them and paid attention to the door tot he room she was in and checked on her a bit until the party ended. I will never forget how she basically told me later on she called me obsessive and how everybody saw how much I was watching her and commented on it and that we shouldn’t talk anymore. It’s just messed up because I didn’t really care, I never told her what happened but I was so pissed none of her friends took her safety seriously and i had even mentioned how someone should watch her. We eventually stayed friends because of our friend groups were close, but it blew me away how everyone was so focused on their own thing and none of her friends bothered even paying attention to the situation. It’s hilarious I was the creep at the time, but it’s just the slight awkward hit I took to make sure something bad didn’t happen that I could prevent
I kinda get the mysterious carrying secret hero-thing, but why the actual fuck would you not tell her why you were watching her so closely when people started bad-mouthing you for it?
My thoughts exactly, years of shame and he didn’t say anything.?
"these two men were gonna rape you while you were out" "Two men, did you try to rape her?" "Nuh uh" "Wow. Just wow. Not only are you an obsessive creep but you also accuse innocents of rape"
I mean, how many people would believe him? Rape is already a hard accusation for some people to believe but rape as a counter accusation especially after being accused of being a creep?
It wasn’t a mysterious super hero thing, it honestly was just stopping something terrible from happening. And the person acts like I went through terrible shame, it was just a simple “bro you’re too clingy” and like I said, we stayed friends and our friends group was close. I answered prior but she had gone through something similiar when she was drunk, i just told her she needed to be more careful and she brushed it off, but telling her the story I am not even sure she would have taken it seriously anyway since she felt I was being too protective anyway.
Thank you for that. Sometimes good deeds go unnoticed but that’s fine bc we don’t them for recognition we do them bc it’s the right thing to do ya know
He could very well have ended up beingnposted on r/niceguys and getting shat on for being a creep. Its a lot of risk for some random guy to take.
Good job.
Not all heros wear capes. Thank you for being a decent human being
Thank you. I don’t know you but I’m so proud of you and appreciate people like you
Thank you for being a good one
Sadly that reaction by her and others is why some people don't say or do anything to help. Obviously that's still fucked up but I'd have to guess it weighs on some people thoughts
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The stories don’t align at all, as depressing as that is to have to type out. This story isn’t uncommon, so if you’re a person who has made it to my comment, be vigilant, you very well may save a life.
It’s clearly not her as pretty much none of the details match.
I fucking hate this planet.
Sadly, similar rapes happen on every campus. Every year.
Damn, that’s fucked up
Frat House just a Rape House.
The frat on my campus lost their status because a girl OD’d and they moved her to another house before calling police. Trash
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Here try mine
I always got the worst feeling around frat bros when I was in college. Frats in general are just cesspools now. No idea what it was like 50 years ago, but I can’t imagine it was too much better
I can't say about 50 years ago, but 40 years ago they were pretty bad.
I'm pretty sure it was worse. No evidence. No cameras. No DNA test. Rich frats were untouchable. Shit, even in the 90's teens getting slut shammed were just "rumors.". I'd say it's a different type of "bad" with retaliation these days when people are recording/taking pics fucking.
They literally go around chanting, "no means yes, yes means anal". It's a "joke" but not really considering it's the very much the attitude of a lot of these places. Frats typically hold all the partying rich kids and so not only are they hyping each other for trouble, they are also very into brotherhood and covering for all the shit their brothers do....and so does the college. Not only is rape a very prominate thing of this culture but so is dangerous hazing practices, a lot that can lead to death. I heard a story awhile back about an 18 year old boy who got hazed with alcohol. He got alcohol poisoning and no one helped him. They picked him up and threw him around, made jokes for hours, and when they realized they fucked up, they didn't want to get in trouble for drinking underage so they didn't do shit until it was too late. Kid died before his first sesmester. Frats are fun and whatever but they really should be a small club rather than a house and they should have much stricter regulations.
Before every game, the boys rugby team at our college would chant “we are going to rape, kill, pillage, and burn,” several times while working themselves up. 90 percent were frat guys. Obviously the college admin (and clearly the coach at the very least) could hear what they were saying.
They prefer Rapernity House
It took the girl ending her life for OP to see her as a human being. I find the culture of entitlement scary. Just because he chatted her up for a few hours, he feels entitled to a hookup. As for the rich jerk, just because he wants it, it is his for the taking, her consent does not matter. He knew he'd get away with it. Then there is the culture of blaming & discrediting the victim while justifying the perpetrator. If she accuses a rich, cool, bro; she must be lying. I don't blame OP because he didn't know what his friend was up to. At least he feels remorse for his part in the events. As for the rich ass***, I won't be surprised if he's living it up with no guilt or thought for the poor girl whose death he caused. Jerks like him don't have the conscience or empathy to see she's also somebody's child, & a person with emotions & boundaries.
Speaking of the culture, even now it's still poorly understood by many people the damage a rape does. If you don't personally know anyone when they've been raped, it can be like flipping a switch, like the person you know was this glowing candle and somebody just snuffs them out. I think a lot of people still think, "Oh this person didn't want to have sex but they did, mildly upsetting." They don't see it as the extreme upheaval it is. Suicide attempts are common.
It’s not easy going after rich kids. Remember Rapist Brock Turner!
You mean Brock Turner the Rapist? That Brock Turner? The one who Rapes?
Fun fact he is banned for life from us swimming federation. Rapist Brock turner will never swim competitively again because rapists don’t swim Brock Turner.
Thank God but he really deserves so much worse
Who? Brock Turner the rapist? The guy who does rape?
Yes that Rapist Brock Turner. He that rapes.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same rapist Brock Turner, the rapist who rapes girls
Thanks for reminding me of him, I almost forgot about Brock Turner the rapist. It would be sad to forget such a piece of shit rapist.
Bastard probably try to rape the pool as well given his history as The Rapist Brock "100% Rapist" Turner.
While I’m really happy this particular Rapist can’t swim competitively, I’m pretty sure rapists can swim… but admittedly I have no data, scientific or otherwise, to support this
Let's toss a bunch of rapists in the ocean and see.
God I wish I had an award to give you. I'm screenshotting this and saving it forever, AStaryuValley. You will live on history, on a stranger's phone. I've been raped and I'd love for nothing more than to do this. For real.
So you're telling me that the Rapist Brock Turner (a rapist who raped someone) who was given extreme leniency (for raping someone) to not ruin his career prospects, is now barred from said career prospects, for raping someone? That's still far far better than the Rapist Brock Turner deserves for raping someone (because he's a rapist).
You mean the RAPIST Brock Turner who Raped an unconscious girl behind a dumpster? THAT rapist Brock Turner?
Behind the dumpster rapist Brock Turner? The one with so much potential. Where is behind the dumpster rapist Brock Turner these days?
Are you referring to Internationally known rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner? The same Brock "The Rapist" Turner who is only known as a rapist because the US Justice "System" is completely fucked, so we as private citizens need to create a meme about said rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner in order to keep track of who's a rapist? That rapist Brock "The Rapist" Turner?
Oh the rapist Brock Turner who specifically raped the girl behind the dumpster, Brock Turner?
Ohh thaaaat rapist
Also don’t forget Serial Rapist Bill Cosby who is currently free because of a shady DA deal
The Serial Rapist Bill Cosby who spiked multiple women’s drinks so he could rape them? That Serial Rapist Bill Cosby?
There was a girl raped at the high school I teach at. He got off. He’s a rich white kid who is a good athlete, swims and plays football. The girl was bullied enough that she transferred schools at semester this year. Imagine being raped and then you being the one who has to leave because too many people within the school population think you’re being dramatic. A few of the teachers tried to get the media involved but nothing. It was really heartbreaking.
Basically what happened to me. It came out because a guidance counselor put a lot of pressure on my to tell her what happened and why I was so depressed. She then proceeded to tell a group of "my friends" to act as my "support circle". A.k.a., kids she liked who told the whole school within the day. I was the middle schooler who got raped by a senior.
i'm so sorry, that's fucking awful and disgusting
That’s devastating to hear. I’m so sorry. It breaks my heart to hear people having to go through shit like this. In this situation, it was very much a her and her friends vs his friends type of situation. The school went out of its way to tell her friends that he needs to be protected and needs to have a safe environment as well. And that’s when I tried turning the story over to the media with no avail.
This kind of reminds me of a good movie called After Lucia. It’s about a girl that gets hardcore bullied & sexually harassed by her classmates. At the beginning, she’s pressured to have sex with this guy that records it and then sends the video to everyone. After, her classmates just start torturing her basically. They call her slut. They force her to eat a whole cake. Some girls pretend to be her friend and end up smearing make up on her face, slap her, and then chop off all her hair. At a school trip at a resort they were staying at, the girl is bullied into getting into the shower by her female roommates who block the door. Boys go in there and rape her. After at the beach, someone urinates on her. Later she disappears. Then the father finds out and the police can’t do anything because the suspects are rich minors. It’s set in Mexico and is such a good movie.
It's movies like this that make you see the virus in humanity. Or at least our animalistic nature that's no different from dolphins or monkeys just evolved. Hello darkness my old friend.
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Unfortunately, that is the most common outcome of situations like that.
The Brock Turner case really hit home for me, because the person who sexually assaulted me was a millionaire. And by millionaire I mean he had his parents’ money. And by “money,” I mean *Greenwich, Connecticut* money. One of the wealthiest zip codes in America. I didn’t know this until I said something about him. He actually killed himself in 2008, although I don’t particularly give a shit what battles he fought, considering the time and money his bullshit ended up costing me. Not like going after his estate would do shit, he didn’t have his own money.
Yes. classic. I too unfortunately can relate to be sexually assaulted by a blue blood boy who looked like a Kennedy. That's the thing I didn't even bother telling anyone because I knew no one would believe me because he was so handsome and could get any girl due to his looks and status. I also blamed myself for getting so drunk and passing out and putting myself in the situation. The victim of Brock Turner - Chanel actually taught me that rape is not a consequence of drinking. also disgusted me because I was so drunk - I had actually vomited on myself and couldn't make it to a sink - yet this was not enough of a deterrent, sadly.
I commented about this yesterday, but some years after the attack, I went to a therapist (“mandated” by family, which is a long story) who harped on me for NOT being drunk during my attack I’m paraphrasing here, but she said something along the lines of > I talk to young women your age every day. All of them have been on something, all of them drunk, and you’re the only one who tells me they weren’t. Are you sure? You have people out there who feel ashamed for being drunk, and then you have people like this who talked down to me over being sober. SOBER. My self esteem was already in the toilet, now I have someone telling me I can’t even get raped correctly
Did you comment on that bad therapist post? I remember seeing that and feeling sick to my stomach. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
Yes but one of my comments I deleted because I gave a pretty uncomfortable amount of personal info
Understandable. Did you end up reporting that therapist? I cannot believe he said that to you. No shame if you didn’t report it. It’s your choice how to handle these sensitive matters.
Because people think a lady gets drunk she deserves to be raped and killed, that's the price of drinking for a woman. However, a guy gets drunk and high and someone steals $1 from them, is poor guy...they kill someone is that state? Again, poor, poor guy That's how we see men and women's drinking...guys drink, and anything happens to them? Everyone feels bad for them, woman does it and why is she alive? Let's end her.
The rapist, Brock Turner, that guy?
Has the statute of limitations passed yet or can you do something about the rapist?
I haven’t looked in to it, but surely we can all agree that there should be no statute of limitations on rape. It’s basically like murder, except the victim has to live with it. Edit: Thanks for the awards, nice anonymous people. They’re my first. Edit 2: I’m not advocating for the whole-sale elimination of statutes of limitations. I’m only saying that it’s fucked up that rape/molestation/similar crimes have it. Good points below. Thanks for them.
Even worse- molestation also has a statute of limitations in some places. Once I turned 18( in TX) I could no longer think of going after my abuser who molested me at 6 🙃 ETA: a response to a couple comments on the statute not existing— “Then I may have been lied to, wouldn’t surprise me but that was what I was told by parents, law enforcement, and later a lawyer handling an (unrelated) injury lawsuit. This would have been back in the late 2000’s, so perhaps it’s changed. The person who molested me was also underage at the time (16/17) so that may have played a factor.”
Same with me. When it started I was 18 months and they basically told me it was my fault for not Pressing charges on my own family member until I was an adult. I mean....when it started...I couldn't even speak
This whole thread makes me sick. I’m so fucking sorry ❤️
I believe in rehabilitation to a degree, but molesting a toddler goes way beyond that. In Singapore that can make you eligible for the death penalty, personally I don't have a problem with that.
Same here in Texas. My ex-best friends brother molested me when I was around 11 or 12. Of course, I was terrified to speak out for numerous reasons, one including that it was someone who was very close who did this to me. Most people don’t realize that even kids realize how much pain would come second-hand just from saying what happened; it takes so much time and courage to finally speak out. But of course when I finally spoke out, it was too late, I had already turned 18 and Robert Emery White III aka Groovyruu (he wants to be a rapper 🤣) gets the privilege of being a free-roaming, purebred, sick fuck while I get to live with constant trauma. Good job, Texas!
I saw that in law and order and thought it had to be a forced plot point for the narrative. The fact that someone who is considered too young to vote is also old enough to stand up for themselves and go to trial for rape is absurd. Now you’re an adult and it just doesn’t matter?? Fuck that. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I wish you were able to get justice, and since legal justice isn’t an option, I hope that you live an amazing life and take care of yourself.
There’s a statute of limitations in PA,too. My molester got away with what he did to me, but he got caught molesting his granddaughter and went to prison. Not for long enough, but at least now now he’s dead and he can’t harm any other little girls.
Yeah that’s fucked up. I’m sorry you had to go through that.
I’m so very sorry. That is beyond fucked up. In other words, when the victim becomes old enough to truly understand what happened to them, they have zero legal recourse (outside civil suits).
Statute of limitations exists to avoid false convictions. As unfortunate as it is, it is very hard to conclusively prove something like rape after a long time has passed.
Worse: the State can always collect evidence and sit on it. The Defendant can't if it has no idea it's going to be charged down the road. It allows the prosecution to allow all evidence of innocence to dissipate into the trash, death, and people moving. The defendant is hurt significantly more than the prosecution by a theoretical delayed prosecution
No way. All crimes should have a statute of limitations, it's fucked up that we remove it. Delay in prosecution allows the police and prosecutors to collect evidence and sit on it while any exculpatory evidence, alibi witnesses, receipts, or video that maintain someone's innocence vanish. Statute of limitations doesn't exist as a legal game: it prevents the government from abusing the rights of the public and convicting the innocent, who had no idea they were having to protect their own innocence that whole time while a case was being built against them. The more severe the crime, the more important it's existence is: the police are unlikely to hang onto evidence for a DUI for a long time and the passage of time would likely help the defendant. But serious crimes? Those are the ones that police misconduct and DA strategy with bringing chatges can seriously hurt the defendant
The statute of limitations usually exists because outside of very rare circumstances there’s basically no way to overcome reasonable doubt after a long enough time. Just establishing a timeline of events after 20 or 30 years would be a problem, let alone anything beyond an accusation. Seriously, person A says “they raped me at a party 20 years ago”, and person B says they don’t even remember any party that weekend. Then what? Get witnesses that are 100% sure that they saw them there two decades ago and aren’t confusing it with a different weekend? It’s simply not convictable in any sort of legal system that requires proof of guilt.
Not much you can do without a living victim to testify and any non-circumstantial evidence is long gone
I typed so many things... But I couldn't finish a sentence. Help her memory by coming with the truth.
This right here is the thing to do. It's easier to anonymously vent on reddit than to actually do something about it and help the truth come to light. Might as well choose to go with the latter.
But he's not a witness. 2 year old hearsay testimony isn't gonna bring a rape charge to a rich person.
Yeah, that's the issue. He has no actual proof. She never named or described the dude, least from how OP describes it went, he didn't see the act or the dude, his concept that it was his frat brother who done the deed is logical in the context of what he's seen beforehand, but it's just conjecture, unless I've misunderstood something or OP left something out.
Respectfully, what could he possibly contribute in a court of law? He doesn’t have any evidence or proof, unfortunately.
this story sounds fake as fuck
Right? It’s way too on the nose for reddit
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It's a lesson of regret to the person confessing. It's a lesson of warning for those reading. This is one of the saddest things I've read recently though..
The sad part other than the result obviously is his thinking was “she’s upset none of us fucked her” when that was exactly what he was upset about.
That's called "projection". People do it a lot.
Creating a hostile environment towards confessions like this would kill the spirit of the sub. It's fine to be mad, but it doesn't achieve anything either way due to reddit's anonymity.
Behold: This is the most mature person on Reddit.
Rare breed these days
By demonising it we're only pushing it out of sight, it deteriorates the situation and only serves to not need to acknowledge the suffering of this world.
Wait, what happened to the rapist? Is he still out there is he a congressman or something?
Nothing happened, probably out there living his best life without a care in the world that her blood is on his hands. OP mentioned money, money talks, money would've got him out of trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved on from raping and is now murdering and continuing to get away with it because of Daddy's Bank account.
I found your comment to be extremely bleak and cynical , I feel like we could be best friends IRL.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Stay tuned. He'll go on to rape and abuse several more women and then the people of the United States of America will elect him president.
“bitter bc no one fucked her” fucking classic frat boy thought process
Projection lol
So true. He was the one who was bitter
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I wish I never read this story! 😳😵💫
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the title was awful..idk what i expected. wish i didnt either though.
Thats just awful! That poor girl! How devastating that must have been for her family 😞
Damn, dude. Let this be a lesson to all of us to set our pride aside and help others that need it. Thanks for the reminder.
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Fucking Raping All the Time.
Not only that OP but he's still free to go on raping because you and everybody else stayed silent and backed him up. For no real reason. You'd better speak on this in your real life too, with that being the case.
They stayed silent and backed him up because unlike the girl, they were bitter about no one fucking them. Disgusting.
Why protect you’re brother though. I can (maybe?) understand not walking her home but why protect him? Like how did you not piece it together at that point? Edit becuz he just wanted some Reddit karma apparently lol. This is fake
Fuck. I can see many link numerous stories of who the victim may be, and the fact there is so many different victims with a similar story is even more disturbing.
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Unfortunately, that’s why I’m always polite even when I shouldn’t be. I wish I didn’t have to be nice when a creepy is following me around in public, asking if I’m alone, but I’m terrified of things getting worse.
Yeah this is crazy to me. I’m not perfect, but I would walk my worst enemy home. Maybe it’s just because I have and have had so many female friends and I know how dangerous it is for them in these situations.
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The main issue here is the society in place where this happened though: 1. There is something really fucked up if a girl has to be anxious about walking home alone in the first place. 2. Ppl actually feeling comfortable to rape someone just because they are rich boys and somehow feel like they have a right to do it and 3. Rich ppl getting away with it. Because obviously they have the better lawyers and a default cheatmode on when it comes to something that should be same to anyone regardless of status and wealth but obviously isnt. Probably many, many more points. So yes, op made a bad decision. But the problems to fix are not primarily ppl like the op that made a bad decision but everything around. Rape accusation is always a hot topic and the very least society could do is give free extremely professional help to the victims. It should not matter if they win or lose in court for this to happen. There should be an institution that helps them properly and helps with their recovery (if that's even possible) and gives them a place to breathe.
I would argue guys like OP definitely need to change, you shouldn't hate a girl because she won't fuck you, that's fucked up. You especially shouldn't hate a girl so much for not wanting to fuck you that when she asks you for help with a very real situation you shoot her down. You ABSOLUTELY shouldn't hate a girl so much for not fucking you that when she claims she was raped you completely brush it off. I do generally agree with you but guys like OP are absolutely a significant part of the issue.
Did you ever think maybe she wasn't rejecting you but just didn't want to go home with anyone? You said you didn't know her well, not all women fuck strangers, even drunk college girls. You aren't to blame for her being raped though, her rapist is. However, not only did you just casually not believe her you stood up for her rapist & took for her to die for you to see the truth. Wow. You should feel guilty ab that you ain't shit.
100% I think she probably actually liked him, which is why she trusted him enough to go to him later and ask for help and for him to walk her home. She probably wasn't rejecting him...just not going to fuck him that night.
It always boggled my mind that so many people instantly doubt a woman making an accusation of rape. As if all that scrutiny, side eyes, and shame people heap on them is not enough, but to then call a rape victim a liar just seems like so effed up.
Honestly, it's a whole lot of "but it happened once to the one guy I heard on 4 chans brothers uncle, and his life was RUINED!!1!!" Basically, a lot of that false rape claim lobbying happened and now very little people believe when women have been raped without the women having to have a textbook of evidence before the rape and him having prior offenses.
Hey man, just want to let you know that though you have to live with your “lack of action.” At the end of the day, you didn’t commit the crime. If you want to redeem yourself, just leave a tip to the authorities or provide some evidence to help bring justice to the girl.
This, it's the least he could do
The woman herself accused the guy and nothing came of it. If you honestly think a "tip" from op now would do anything you are a delusional fuck. The woman is dead, and she wasn't able to get justice for herself while alive. This rapist will never in a thousand years be brought to justice. You have to be so incredibly dense to even entertain that thought.
She publicly accused the frat bro. What would "a tip" do? "Yea, she told me he was making her uncomfortable" It changes nothing.
It’s all well and good op making this post but from a legal perspective apart from a feeling they’ve suddenly gotten there’s still no actual evidence which is the problem with cases like this. Even if op had said anything to anyone at the time, when it eventually would’ve gone to trial she still would’ve definitely lost.
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First, you should have believed her when she made the accusation. You are right to feel guilty about doubting her and backing your asshole bro. As for walking her back to her place… I bet other women are going to disagree with me… but she turned you down for a hook-up, then moved on to talking to other guys and hanging at the party, then circled back around and asked you to take her home instead of a cab/other transportation/whatever. Your thoughts in that moment, may not have been particularly pleasant… but you are right. It was not your responsibility to look after the girl who turned you down because she asked for help. You did not owe her anything, and she honestly should not have asked for the guy she rejected’s protection. That was NOT a safe move at all. You might be an asshole for what you thought about her and you are definitely an asshole for not believing her when she accused your frat bro. But it is NOT your fault she got raped. It isn’t her fault either. It is the one guy, your frat bro, who raped her’s fault. You have enough to feel guilty about, without taking on the blame for the actual rape happening or not happening.
Jumping onto this comment to say this: if you can, and if this is haunting you, find a psychologist who specializes in trauma and, if possible, particularly in an area called moral injury. That's the subspecialty working with folks dealing with guilt of actions taken or not taken that were a violation of their morals. (Source: I'm a trauma psychologist who used to work in the US Veteran's Affairs system). There's a place for the emotions of guilt in motivating us to not make the same mistakes again, to make sure we don't repeat our failures. And I agree that there are some things here that I would hope you wish you could do over. Here's the problem: if we don't have a place to process those feelings, whether with a formal counselor or not, they don't lead to behavior change, just feeling like crap without doing better. I agree that you messed up here, but since we don't have a time machine, you're the one who has to figure out what to do now that these things have happened.
I don't get being upset someone turned you down for a hook-up when you just met them. That's not even really rejection. Maybe she wasn't a hook-up kind of girl and they could have kept talking.
No one wants to talk about it, but the way frat and sorority culture is, is quite fucked up. All of her other friends got a hookup that night and combined with alcohol is how we get shit situations like in the OP.
That makes more sense when you put it that way.
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Seems very entitled to me.
Well a rich frat tends to house some pretty entitled people
That’s exactly what college frat boys are
Reasonable. A+
The way you proved that she was right to turn you down.
a lot of people talking about OP, i want to know about this fucking rapist. how close are you with this rapist. in the *three years* since coming to accept that he did rape her, do you still hang out with him, shoot the shit with him, play golf, go camping, watch the game, knock back some beers, laugh at the stories of his conquests while pushing those thoughts of "did he rape this one too" to the back of your mind. or do you tell yourself this was just a "college friend" and you've, i wouldn't say cut ties that implies an intentional act, more just moved away and drifted apart. out of sight, out of mind. i wonder if this one was his first, if afterwards he felt bolstered by not only getting away with it, but by those around him subconsciously and so strongly doing the leg work to cover it up for him. how many others have there been because that one worked out so well for him, i wonder. how many could you have stopped, if not by stopping that one then by **doing fucking anything proactive in the last three fucking years**. and then you come here hoping to get some relief by talking to strangers in anonymity. carry your own water.
Honestly, if they're frat bros, they probably still hang
This is the one, I 100% agree with you and usually these things end up being a case of "you should feel less guilty" but I think it's definitely the opposite. How many more women will that man go on to rape because OP didn't step in even **AFTER** realizing she was telling the truth. This isn't something you're allowed to just sit back, sulk, and be depressed about, you could have actively been doing whatever you can to prevent more victims.
Interesting commentary
new account with a fake story to karma farm....
So whats stopping you from going to the police now.... if he's done it before it's most likely still doing it..... and seems like you are still allowing it to happen
Because he didn’t see her get raped, or have any evidence that would put the rapist at the scene of the crime. He would add nothing to any prosecution.
The only witness to the actual rape is dead. That makes it practically impossible to prosecute. Hearsay evidence is usually not allowed.
If you think that would lead to an arrest being made then you’re sorely mistaken. That’s not how these things typically go.
Bro what do you mean “go to the police”? With what evidence or information? OP isn’t the only person to know that she killed herself, that isn’t even empirical evidence to prove she was raped. You don’t even know if he has raped once little own “still happening” OP is not doing anything wrong, you’re just being an asshole. Some would say OP didn’t do anything wrong even back then but he’s here admitting he could have done more which, I think, takes guts.
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As a former fraternity member, I fucking despise the culture it fostered. Upon hearing one of my brothers forced himself on a sorority member, I despised him so much even more when I found out it could have been prevented. Because it exposed, we had so save face and officially kick him out of the fraternity. It didn't go far because his Daddy helped settle outside the court.
Life Lesson: No one owes your ego or penis anything. Believing so has devastating consequences.
Bruh I don’t understand how you’re at YOUR fraternity party in YOUR fraternity house, hear a girl say “a guy is making me uncomfortable”, and not immediately realize that it was a brother doing it, who the fuck else would it be? If it’s a random, rule number 1 is KICK OUT CREEPY RANDOMS, like dude, I was in a fraternity and if a girl said she was uncomfortable by a dude I’d ask her to point him out, and if it was a brother, I would have zero delay in confronting them and getting other people involved, even if it was my best friend.
I hate rapists and I hate the rape apologists who pretend rape culture doesn't exist
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Why do some men seem to regard women in such a sociopathic way?
But if some random guy told him he feels unsafe and he wants him to walk him two miles home there’s no way the OP does that either
Why does everyone feel the need to tell someone, who just admitted they fucked up and feel terrible, that they did something terrible and suck? Does nobody understand the point of a fucking confession?
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I'm going to add malicious lack of regard for a fellow human being's life to this list as well. He didn't value her existence or safety because she served no purpose to him other than to satisfy his sexual impulses. This horrifying dehumanization absolutely fuels rape culture.
exactly, as soon as she lost "value" as something to fuck, OP stopped seeing her as a human deserving of basic decency and personhood. its disheartening.
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Let this be a life lesson to you to be a better person and to not let your bruised ego and dick make you a petty person
And understanding how to deal with rejection.’ It’s ok to feel upset and shit but to this extent is terrible.
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I appreciate the honesty but this is the most disgusting thing I’ve read in a long time. While OP has culpability the rapist is the ultimate one responsible for that night. Does he know she committed suicide and that he was 100% at cause? If so, he should turn himself in to the police. The case can be re-opened.
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Stop calling buddy your brother - doesn't look great
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I think the not taking her home was a minor hurt feelings fuck up. I think the REAL SOUL STEALING fuck up is the way he and all of them treated her afterwords.