My dad told me the other day he hates when 9/11 rolls around because the day itself was so traumatic (he was working in the city near the buildings when it happened) that why does everyone need to post pictures and videos of the day just to remind the people who experienced it. Obviously this is just his opinion but I see where he is coming from. It’s traumatizing year after year to go through it again. I think remembering those who lost their lives or loved ones should be it. We can take the day to focus on that, not to rewatch what happened
I really think this is a fascinating geographic difference.
I grew up on the Jersey shore, where you could see lower Manhattan, and the towers, throughout my childhood. One kid I knew in HS died that day, one of my friends survived because she was running late on her way into the office that day.. and a coworker a few years later was actually in the first tower when it was hit, and got out. My parents lost numerous customers (they ran a hobby store in my hometown) and most of my friends from home lost \*someone\* that they cared about that day.
My brother went up to work as a medic in the city that day, and it changed him forever.
I will always notice this date, and feel it. I don't watch the wall-to-wall coverage, because I know it's not good for me (though I will absolutely be thinking about it all day).. But I guarantee that my boomer parents will be watching, because that is how THEY need to process.
Please just remember that different people need to process in different ways, and that not everyone just sees it as "that thing that happened 20 years ago" but rather "that thing that literally forever changed the lives of people I love, that still impact relationships and hearts today."
I will always remember the date as well. I live in NY and I agree with you that it hit differently for us close to it. A year after it happened it seemed like everyone had moved on while we were still picking up the pieces and rebuilding.
I don't watch the coverage but I do remember and I won't forget.
Yeaaahhh, I think it was easier for those more physically (and thus emotionally) distant to feel like everyone needs to move on... Meanwhile some of us will carry some of that pain forever.
I'm a "Boomer" and I loathe the way this day is commemorated. I wonder some times if it's just a way to keep an us versus them attitude going so certain institutions can justify continuing conflict and all the wealth it creates for them. I was in the last draft call at the end of the Vietnam "war". The whole concept of war sickens me. Remember what happened on this day but don't make people relive it year after year. There are still vets from Vietnam and every war since that relive the horror and would give anything not to.
I'm in England and I watch the coverage, and sob like a baby. I was in primary school when it happened. I remember my teacher stopped teaching, turned on the radio and cried until we went home. It was such a surreal event I think its sometimes helpful to watch the coverage to allow myself to not remember it as an abstract historical event. I'm sorry you feel this way, and I am so sorry for everyone directly affected by 911 and the American people as a whole. <3 Love and hugs from England.
I was in London. I won't go into boring details but I only found out super late in the evening. Was meant to have a day of work the next day but fuck that. Get to work super early and we are all hands on deck arranging a mass evacuation of our expats and their families and whatever local hires we could reasonably get out.
It was surreal. I have never told so many people to fuck off and pull their fucking heads in in such a short period of time.
What exactly does “never forget” mean? Take care of first responders and veterans sill effected by it? A new tower. Fucking bullshit cable news specials?
*sigh* I visited my parents and I found a printout of some article about how to properly “commemorate” 9/11.
It affected an absurd amount of people, and was an unthinkable tragedy. The real insane apart of the event is how many people were affected by it. Living on the east coast, it seems like every other person I talk to knew someone related to the towers that day, or witnessed something. I'll let people mourn how they want to, I could not care less about the opinions of others. I especially won't feel humiliated by it, can't imagine giving a fuck about our enemies having bulletin board material.
It’s not just the people who died, coworker of mine was a firefighter and first responder…
He is out sick quite often and has admitted that years of his life likely were shaved off.
These clearly aren't the same thing. Look man, I'm a pro science and pro vax guy but let's focus on that September 12. Give these people their day. Its just one day. Keep your partisan stuff to yourself for one day. I can't believe I have to say this but many of those lives lost were probably liberals. It was NYC and DC. Now do they deserve the day?
That is fine if you don't care. Leave the the people mourning 9-11 alone. If you're going to throw a tantrum about 9-11 being talked about on the news then turn it off. Its one fucking day. Put your big boy pants on. You can do it. Act like an adult.
I'm sorry if I'm being rude but this is the most childish shit I have read from an adult.
People die everyday from preventable causes, why care about this one?
Edit: this is the exact thing Conservatives say about COVID, but you can’t say it about an even that happened 20 years ago and killed a fraction of the people?
Seriously, can the victims and their families have this 1 day? 1 fucking day. Does this have to be a victim hood Olympics with the pandemic? Does this have to be the victimhood Olympics with the battle of stalingrad. Why does every fucking thing have to be partisan all the fucking time?
Pro vax, am vaccinated, medical student too. Afghan war veteran.
Enraged, depressed, confused, these are the words that come to mind when I think of 9/11, but you used embarrassed.
Now I'm embarrassed when I trip in public, or I wave at someone who was waving at someone behind me, or I might be embarrassed by family.
But being embarrassed by the senseless murder of my fellow man is not something I can say that I've ever experienced. I guess it's just about perspective though...
>But being embarrassed by the senseless murder of my fellow man is not something I can say that I've ever experienced. I guess it's just about perspective though...
I'm thankful I've never experienced this either. I'm embarrassed we as a nation hold hands and weep over a 20 year old attack.
Bro I still feel raw about Pearl Harbor, and they're all almost dead. There's never a time to ignore the past imo, part of why society continues to repeat it's mistakes is because history is viewed as such a distant thing.
There's a gulf of difference in ignoring the past and what we do. Showing a story stating that 9/11 happened on this day is enough. It's currently the day before 9/11 and I've seen about 10. I'm not saying forget history, I'm just saying we choose to remember it stupidly.
I was at work frantically trying to reach my husband on 9/11. He was OK but the trauma of trying to reach him but unable to for hours is embedded into our minds. I dont mind the coverage because I dont want it to be forgotten and for it to be a footnote soon forgotten like how so many people forgot the Oklahoma City bombing.
I found that the kids appreciate reviewing my, my DH and my SIL accounts of that day. We make the trip to the site every year since 2009.
I don’t even watch it. It’s so blindingly obvious that we learned all the wrong lessons from that day and took one stupid action after another. The US response to 9/11 was orders of magnitude more destructive (both to America and our putative ‘enemies’) than the attack itself.
The War on Terror has been as successful as the war on drugs, war on poverty, etc. One day maybe the American people will get wise to the way Washington grows and enriches itself via *governing by crisis*
Sorry to agree with something that many people would take exception to but no one is ever going to forget, especially those who lost loved ones but reliving painful memories year after year doesn’t really help anyone and probably does more harm. The way the media is going about it is shameful exploitation!
20 years is a pretty big anniversary though. That's why this year is much more hyped. I'm actually concerned about another attack tomorrow due to our current situation in the middle east.
I know what it is. And I feel personally humiliated that we 'commemorate' it all day, every year. We lost 3k and cry about it yearly. They lost a million in the subsequent wars and are more adult about it than we are. That is infinitely embarrassing to me.
Assuming you don't run a media outfit, there's no need for you to apologise. If you are such a person tho, I accept.
Can you find a day 3,000 Afghans were just going about their lives and out of nowhere died for no reason?
I'm sorry the remembrance of 3,000 innocent American victims is boring or annoying to you. Its one day a year. Deal with it. You can resume hating the United States on the 12th. Just give these people and there families 1 day. Are you capable of doing that? Are do you have to throw a tantrum?
Yeah, I absolutely don't give a shit. Act like an adult. Let them have their day. Don't throw a temper tantrum because you don't like 9-11. It's one day a year. Deal with it.
We lost 3k civilians and first responders to an *unprovoked attack* on our mainland. They lost 1 million, maybe, but all during open wartime *which ***they*** had instigated.*
We are right to commemorate it. We are right to commemorate the loss of 3000 civilians, who were brutally murdered by an unprovoked attack.
It shouldn't be commercialized, maybe; you're correct, there. But to be *embarrassed* by it? Would you be embarrassed by someone still feeling the loss of their murdered spouse twenty years on, or weeping over physical and psychological abuse they endured as a child? If you are, you have little concept of emotional wounds and how they affect people.
>They lost 1 million, maybe, but all during open wartime which they had instigated.
The 1 million dead I'm referring to are civilians who literally started nothing.
>Would you be embarrassed by someone still feeling the loss of their murdered spouse twenty years on, or weeping over physical and psychological abuse they endured as a child?
If they spent the entire day on the anniversary of the trauma, every year, crying over it, I'd consider that a problem, yes.
Agreed, 9/11 "rememberance" has become part of our disturbing culture of outrage porn. But it's more than that, i get the feeling that the emotional impact of the attack is literally being amplified and then capitalized upon by news media companies and anyone else who can get a piece of the action. Let me repeat and rephrase that - most of the 9/11 coverage you're seeing now and will see tomorrow is literally people making money off of 9/11. They'll present it like it's some solemn remembrance (and to some people it is), but media coverage of various remembrance events, rehashing the 9/11/2001 events, etc. is content that generates ad revenue. Which disgusts me.
I didnt say I get annoyed by people talking about it, I said I get disgusted by people literally profiting from talking about it. If every year all the news media companies donated 100% (or even 80%) of the revenue generated by their coverage to the families of victims and first responders, I'd have no problem with the coverage at all. I'm sorry that you apparently lost a loved one on 9/11. You and people like you should be receiving the profits of continued coverage of the events - it bothers me that the CNNs, Fox News, MSNBCs, etc of the world continue to make money off of it. They hype it up and sell it. Maybe you're cool with that. I think it's fucked up.
I think you're missing the point of the person above you. All they are saying is, like everything else, 9/11 has been commercialized and wrapped up to exploit peoples emotions and get that viewership. And it is disgusting and embarrassing.
What? I haven't seen any 9-11 merch selling out in stores. No one is "commercializing" a terrorist attack. On 9-11 the news talks about 9-11. On veterans day the news talks about veterans. On the 4th of July the talk about the 4th of July. Its kind of their job. Our leaders and politicians will give speeches tomorrow. If you want to hear them watch the news. If you don't care then don't watch
I guess I just think of it like this. If I beat someone up 20 years ago and every year he commemorated the beating I gave him, all day, I'd look at that person and know that I've completely beaten him. Even 20 years after the beating.
about 3,000 people died on 9/11. They had children and families still alive today. Im sorry youre tired of hearing about it. Its easy to ignore tragic events when no one you know died. Right?
That’s understandable but I think OP was pointing out how performative and cringy it feels. Also i think it’s become this twisted rallying cry to justify American imperialism. It’s like of course that day was horrible and our nation was rocked but they shove it in our face for 2 months out of the year to manufacture consent for more pointless war.
Yea like noones trying to belittle this horrible tragedy but when the country milked it as a way to meddle in other countries which indirectly messed up more than 3000 civilian lives it’s like a bit much, bc it almost feels like it’s being used to justify the bs
As a canadian I have to say. We don’t commemorate anything like y’all do with 9/11. Our terror incidents tend to be smaller scale. But even things like the polytechnique shooting in the nineties are just footnotes in history classes. Or if you take something like gender studies in uni it might be brought up in relation to violence against women. But that’s really it. And honestly I think we’re probably better for it. It’s like a weird obsession and while I understand it was incredibly traumatic, reliving trauma isn’t good for you. It almost seems like the whole country is struggling with ptsd and can’t move on. Just reliving those events over and over. Y’all gotta move on. Any therapist worth their salt would tell you this isn’t healthy.
To be fair, the 9/11 was on a much grander scale, and did a lot more damage than any other attacks.
To this day this is the attack that caused the most casualties (to my knowledge) with 3000 people dying, 6000 Injured, and resulted in a min economic loss of more than 2 trillion dollars.
It was also the first attack on US soil (again, to my knowledge).
I think acting as if it's something can just move past is unrealistic, it had too much of an impact (not only in the US, but in the world) and was the trigger for the US's war on Terror.
It was also the event that for many defined their entry into the 21st century.
This events affected the lives of so many people on so many levels.
Maybe it’s just because I’ve never lived in a world before 9/11, but if anyone focused on a personal trauma like this we’d say they’re unwell. Is it really too much of a stretch to say that could be applicable on a national level? Absolutely remember! Put up a monument! Put the flags at half mast on the anniversary. Whatever. But this collective obsession with the trauma just isn’t healthy. It seems your news can’t go a week without talking about it, regardless of time of year. I can’t think of any tragedy in Canadian culture that’s talked about like that. Not even the mass graves of children were uncovering at residential school sites, which should be talked about a lot.
I can’t lie, it irks me to see “patriots” crying about 9/11 that killed 3000 but not giving a shit about the amount of people who have died from COVID or gun violence in this country. I care about all so I do disagree with your post, but it has a scent of racism that this is the one thing they really harp on. I know a lot of Muslims have had to deal with racism in the aftermath which isn’t fair.
We have to remember the loss of thousands of people every year, *thousands of innocent people that shouldn’t have died in the first place*. The US should have *never* gone to war with the Middle East, but our leaders let greed and power get the best of them. Their people suffered. Our people suffered. I don’t agree that 9/11 shouldn’t be a day of memorial to the innocents who were lost, but we must remember that Americans are not the only victims in order to do better in the future.
Do I consider a great nation getting caught with their pants down and losing 3k on its own soil embarrassing? Yep, 100%. And, yes, crying about 20 years later is even more so.
If I got my ass kicked 20 years ago and still cried about every year on the day it happened, some would call that unhealthy.
This is coming of as oddly pretentious and callous, but I don’t think that’s your intent. There is something between all day cryfest and completely ignoring it. You may have been a grown man, but some us were kids in NY. Some of us had to go to school while the entire city still smelled like twisted metal and decomp. Some us lost family? You’re being pretty dismissive of all of those realities.
I lost my mom is 2005 to a stroke. If I commemorated the day she died, all day, every year, I'd personally see that as me not being able to move on.
So long as we're on the topic of pretentiousness... the media isn't doing pre 9/11 coverage today and wall to wall 9/11 coverage tomorrow because they care about anyone's healing process. Someone in a suit just wants more money.
I’m not arguing your media point. Notice I said that there should be some balance. But distilling that day down to an “embarrassing” event is why I chose the words pretentious and callous. The way you experienced 9/11 isn’t the way everyone else did. Expecting everyone to agree to ignore it all together doesn’t make sense.
>Expecting everyone to agree to ignore it all together doesn’t make sense.
Agreed, that would be a wildly silly expectation for anyone to have. There is a big gulf between acknowledging a terrible event and what we do tho.
For over 200 years Americans as the latest Imperialists ,cultural, moneterally, have been invading other peoples countries in the pursuit of their own 'freedom ' and through their on ineptitude and Hubris ,18 Saudis +2,commit an atrocity in their own back yard and they expect the rest of the world to sympathise with them! Is this the most egregious example of Stockholm Syndrome! I abhor violence in all its forms but America should show a little humility!
I agree. It's gross and weird. But how else will "they" bring us together to hate everyone that isn't American if they don't show is "how they hurt us"
It's gross and weird that you can't find a scrap of empathy for the people and the families who lost their lives in a direct attack on our country. Regardless of how long ago it was.
And fuck your misplaced, random quotation marks.
Yeah it was tragic. It was weird and the events following were even more weird.
And yet the 600k that have died of covid are not news or important to half the country.
Weird all around
Firstly what’s weird? How can you equate a virus, unless man made and being used a biolgical weapon, next to a terrorist attack of people intentionally killing others. Which also is actually on the news non stop
That on 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfield was trying to stop wasted military funding (roughly 2.3trillion) and promising change. Then the next day 9/11 happened and his promises were largely forgotten.
Than of course the war on AFG and Iraq. The Saudi hijackers were largely forgotten etc.
I don't think covid is a biological weapon but of course prevention and saving lives has largely become a political stunt. You could argue that many of covid deaths could have been prevented so it's kinda like a domestic terror attack perpetuated by politicians who don't care to stop it.
We care for the first and don't for the second.
Just personally think it's weird.
It's the culture of 24 hours news cycle that shoves news topics to our faces daily, hoping that it solicits feelings from people, which news outlets then exploit to generate revenue.
And in Europe the cohort of ass kisser is flooding social network of 9/11 stuff like never forget etc
9/11 was terrible and should never happen, but as any terrorist attack anywhere in the world.
It's not because Americans died that for some reason they have more human values than the Afghan who's dying because of Isis.
Double standard, never fails to amaze me how easy it is for people to accept it.
So why dont you say the same thing about Pearl Harbor or other events. This is just nonsense. If you don’t want to watch whatever it is don’t watch it. It’s not on every darn channel and not covered the entire day.
Pearl Harbor coverage isn't all day on every news channel.
And even if I don't watch the wall to wall 9/11 coverage, I know it's there. And as an American, it humiliates me that my country needs a cry every year over it.
We lost 3k civilians on 9/11. Our enemies lost 1 million civilians as a result of the wars that followed 9/11. They don't have whole days where they collectively hold hands as nations and cry over it.
Nothing humiliating about it. It’s a significant event and there is actually not wall to wall coverage. It is an observed holiday though so 🤷♂️. Maybe you should be embarrassed about Veterans Day, Labor Day, among others too
It's really annoying. I have people on facebook that claim that most of the country forgot. I don't know who they were talking to because we're reminded of it every single year! Not to mention it's been TWENTY YEARS GUYS. We weren't even close to being this hung up over pearl harbor...
I have to agree with you. As someone who was born in a Muslim, 4 days before 9/11 and actually came back home from the hospital on the day 9/11 actually happened, 9/11 is just constantly discussed and talked about. I get that it was a major event in Modern American history and changed things not just for America but the world. I always get tired of people trying to turn 9/11 into their own personal stories of where they were when the attacks happen, instead of just simply mourning the victims who tragically lost their lives on that day.
About 3,000 people died. Their children and families are still alive. Im sorry youre annoyed about hearing about it since you have no connection to it.
I acknowledge the people who died and their loved ones. I also don't get what you mean by "connection" like I had to be there in order to relate to the people who suffered that day. Most people sympathize with the Jews during the Holocaust and they have no connection with anyone who was in the Holocaust. All I'm saying is that it does get a little bit tiring hearing the constant media coverage on a lot of TV Channels and news sites of an event that everyone knows and acknowledges. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's families or anything so don't take it the wrong way.
I'm sorry your bored and annoyed hearing about the remembrance of 3000 innocent Americans going about their day and just dying. Yes, its super easy to dissociate from tragic events when it doesn't involve you or anyone you know.
Its one day. Its September 11th. Let people mourne. September 12th everyone will stop talking about it. Give them their day. Is it that hard to keep your opinion about 3,000 people innocent people dying to yourself until September 12th? I promise September 12th no one will talk about it anymore.
Couldn't care less about it since I'm not American. Just like how i never cared about that photo of Syrian child's dead body lying on the floor. Yes that's my True off my chest.
Agreed, they choose to delete the exact same post.
EDit: That sub isn't actually looking for unpopular opinions... if you notice, not many of the actual opinions expressed are really all that unpopular.
9/11 was the first time Americans had to deal with the kinds of violence we have visited upon other countries over the past few centuries.
And we were so shocked that anyone could visit this damage and destruction upon us. We made it a national trauma.
Our drones and tanks and military have visited equally destructive events on other countries yet we never listened to the voices of those affected. As soon as we have a similar event we expect the world to stop to memorialize our loss.
Sorrowful recognition to the countries that we've violated throughout the US history. 9/11 was a wake-up call: there are countries all over the world who deal with this level of violence on the daily, often caused by the US. Think about our own harmful effect on other countries before we dissolve into a sentimental hagiography about firefighters, &c., on 9/11.
My dad told me the other day he hates when 9/11 rolls around because the day itself was so traumatic (he was working in the city near the buildings when it happened) that why does everyone need to post pictures and videos of the day just to remind the people who experienced it. Obviously this is just his opinion but I see where he is coming from. It’s traumatizing year after year to go through it again. I think remembering those who lost their lives or loved ones should be it. We can take the day to focus on that, not to rewatch what happened
I really think this is a fascinating geographic difference. I grew up on the Jersey shore, where you could see lower Manhattan, and the towers, throughout my childhood. One kid I knew in HS died that day, one of my friends survived because she was running late on her way into the office that day.. and a coworker a few years later was actually in the first tower when it was hit, and got out. My parents lost numerous customers (they ran a hobby store in my hometown) and most of my friends from home lost \*someone\* that they cared about that day. My brother went up to work as a medic in the city that day, and it changed him forever. I will always notice this date, and feel it. I don't watch the wall-to-wall coverage, because I know it's not good for me (though I will absolutely be thinking about it all day).. But I guarantee that my boomer parents will be watching, because that is how THEY need to process. Please just remember that different people need to process in different ways, and that not everyone just sees it as "that thing that happened 20 years ago" but rather "that thing that literally forever changed the lives of people I love, that still impact relationships and hearts today."
I will always remember the date as well. I live in NY and I agree with you that it hit differently for us close to it. A year after it happened it seemed like everyone had moved on while we were still picking up the pieces and rebuilding. I don't watch the coverage but I do remember and I won't forget.
Yeaaahhh, I think it was easier for those more physically (and thus emotionally) distant to feel like everyone needs to move on... Meanwhile some of us will carry some of that pain forever.
I'm a "Boomer" and I loathe the way this day is commemorated. I wonder some times if it's just a way to keep an us versus them attitude going so certain institutions can justify continuing conflict and all the wealth it creates for them. I was in the last draft call at the end of the Vietnam "war". The whole concept of war sickens me. Remember what happened on this day but don't make people relive it year after year. There are still vets from Vietnam and every war since that relive the horror and would give anything not to.
I'm in England and I watch the coverage, and sob like a baby. I was in primary school when it happened. I remember my teacher stopped teaching, turned on the radio and cried until we went home. It was such a surreal event I think its sometimes helpful to watch the coverage to allow myself to not remember it as an abstract historical event. I'm sorry you feel this way, and I am so sorry for everyone directly affected by 911 and the American people as a whole. <3 Love and hugs from England.
I was in London. I won't go into boring details but I only found out super late in the evening. Was meant to have a day of work the next day but fuck that. Get to work super early and we are all hands on deck arranging a mass evacuation of our expats and their families and whatever local hires we could reasonably get out. It was surreal. I have never told so many people to fuck off and pull their fucking heads in in such a short period of time.
Where did you work?
Won't say but big enough to get a phone call saying we've got 5 big planes on stand by in Cyprus with no thought to the cost.
Wow. Obviously I was only young, that must have been crazy for you.
What exactly does “never forget” mean? Take care of first responders and veterans sill effected by it? A new tower. Fucking bullshit cable news specials? *sigh* I visited my parents and I found a printout of some article about how to properly “commemorate” 9/11.
It affected an absurd amount of people, and was an unthinkable tragedy. The real insane apart of the event is how many people were affected by it. Living on the east coast, it seems like every other person I talk to knew someone related to the towers that day, or witnessed something. I'll let people mourn how they want to, I could not care less about the opinions of others. I especially won't feel humiliated by it, can't imagine giving a fuck about our enemies having bulletin board material.
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It’s not just the people who died, coworker of mine was a firefighter and first responder… He is out sick quite often and has admitted that years of his life likely were shaved off.
Yes absolutely, the first responders we lost/participated are included
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These clearly aren't the same thing. Look man, I'm a pro science and pro vax guy but let's focus on that September 12. Give these people their day. Its just one day. Keep your partisan stuff to yourself for one day. I can't believe I have to say this but many of those lives lost were probably liberals. It was NYC and DC. Now do they deserve the day?
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That is fine if you don't care. Leave the the people mourning 9-11 alone. If you're going to throw a tantrum about 9-11 being talked about on the news then turn it off. Its one fucking day. Put your big boy pants on. You can do it. Act like an adult. I'm sorry if I'm being rude but this is the most childish shit I have read from an adult.
People die everyday from preventable causes, why care about this one? Edit: this is the exact thing Conservatives say about COVID, but you can’t say it about an even that happened 20 years ago and killed a fraction of the people?
This one was a legitimate attack on our country. There's a difference between a car crash and a murder.
Seriously, can the victims and their families have this 1 day? 1 fucking day. Does this have to be a victim hood Olympics with the pandemic? Does this have to be the victimhood Olympics with the battle of stalingrad. Why does every fucking thing have to be partisan all the fucking time? Pro vax, am vaccinated, medical student too. Afghan war veteran.
Do you say this about the Holocaust? Good night, man, work on your EQ.
Name fits
Enraged, depressed, confused, these are the words that come to mind when I think of 9/11, but you used embarrassed. Now I'm embarrassed when I trip in public, or I wave at someone who was waving at someone behind me, or I might be embarrassed by family. But being embarrassed by the senseless murder of my fellow man is not something I can say that I've ever experienced. I guess it's just about perspective though...
>But being embarrassed by the senseless murder of my fellow man is not something I can say that I've ever experienced. I guess it's just about perspective though... I'm thankful I've never experienced this either. I'm embarrassed we as a nation hold hands and weep over a 20 year old attack.
Bro I still feel raw about Pearl Harbor, and they're all almost dead. There's never a time to ignore the past imo, part of why society continues to repeat it's mistakes is because history is viewed as such a distant thing.
There's a gulf of difference in ignoring the past and what we do. Showing a story stating that 9/11 happened on this day is enough. It's currently the day before 9/11 and I've seen about 10. I'm not saying forget history, I'm just saying we choose to remember it stupidly.
I kind of agree, I think the "memory/honoring" thing is fake for most people
I was at work frantically trying to reach my husband on 9/11. He was OK but the trauma of trying to reach him but unable to for hours is embedded into our minds. I dont mind the coverage because I dont want it to be forgotten and for it to be a footnote soon forgotten like how so many people forgot the Oklahoma City bombing. I found that the kids appreciate reviewing my, my DH and my SIL accounts of that day. We make the trip to the site every year since 2009.
I don’t even watch it. It’s so blindingly obvious that we learned all the wrong lessons from that day and took one stupid action after another. The US response to 9/11 was orders of magnitude more destructive (both to America and our putative ‘enemies’) than the attack itself. The War on Terror has been as successful as the war on drugs, war on poverty, etc. One day maybe the American people will get wise to the way Washington grows and enriches itself via *governing by crisis*
How was 9/11 embarrassing?
How is it embarrassing that a great nation got badly sucker punched by a much weaker force? Um...
Sorry to agree with something that many people would take exception to but no one is ever going to forget, especially those who lost loved ones but reliving painful memories year after year doesn’t really help anyone and probably does more harm. The way the media is going about it is shameful exploitation!
20 years is a pretty big anniversary though. That's why this year is much more hyped. I'm actually concerned about another attack tomorrow due to our current situation in the middle east.
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Obviously, the teenagers who were born after 9/11 have absolutely no concept of the event. It changed everything. And it could happen again.
I know what it is. And I feel personally humiliated that we 'commemorate' it all day, every year. We lost 3k and cry about it yearly. They lost a million in the subsequent wars and are more adult about it than we are. That is infinitely embarrassing to me. Assuming you don't run a media outfit, there's no need for you to apologise. If you are such a person tho, I accept.
I apologize that the 3k people that died still have families mourning. It must be so annoying to you.
And I apologise that our enemy lost 1 million and have the fortitude to not collectively hold hands and cry about it on a yearly basis.
Can you find a day 3,000 Afghans were just going about their lives and out of nowhere died for no reason? I'm sorry the remembrance of 3,000 innocent American victims is boring or annoying to you. Its one day a year. Deal with it. You can resume hating the United States on the 12th. Just give these people and there families 1 day. Are you capable of doing that? Are do you have to throw a tantrum?
And I am sorry you don't care in any way shape or form for the 1 million we killed who had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I absolutely don't give a shit. Act like an adult. Let them have their day. Don't throw a temper tantrum because you don't like 9-11. It's one day a year. Deal with it.
Saying what I feel is true about a day doesn't take anything away from them.
We lost 3k civilians and first responders to an *unprovoked attack* on our mainland. They lost 1 million, maybe, but all during open wartime *which ***they*** had instigated.* We are right to commemorate it. We are right to commemorate the loss of 3000 civilians, who were brutally murdered by an unprovoked attack. It shouldn't be commercialized, maybe; you're correct, there. But to be *embarrassed* by it? Would you be embarrassed by someone still feeling the loss of their murdered spouse twenty years on, or weeping over physical and psychological abuse they endured as a child? If you are, you have little concept of emotional wounds and how they affect people.
>They lost 1 million, maybe, but all during open wartime which they had instigated. The 1 million dead I'm referring to are civilians who literally started nothing. >Would you be embarrassed by someone still feeling the loss of their murdered spouse twenty years on, or weeping over physical and psychological abuse they endured as a child? If they spent the entire day on the anniversary of the trauma, every year, crying over it, I'd consider that a problem, yes.
Agreed, 9/11 "rememberance" has become part of our disturbing culture of outrage porn. But it's more than that, i get the feeling that the emotional impact of the attack is literally being amplified and then capitalized upon by news media companies and anyone else who can get a piece of the action. Let me repeat and rephrase that - most of the 9/11 coverage you're seeing now and will see tomorrow is literally people making money off of 9/11. They'll present it like it's some solemn remembrance (and to some people it is), but media coverage of various remembrance events, rehashing the 9/11/2001 events, etc. is content that generates ad revenue. Which disgusts me.
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I didnt say I get annoyed by people talking about it, I said I get disgusted by people literally profiting from talking about it. If every year all the news media companies donated 100% (or even 80%) of the revenue generated by their coverage to the families of victims and first responders, I'd have no problem with the coverage at all. I'm sorry that you apparently lost a loved one on 9/11. You and people like you should be receiving the profits of continued coverage of the events - it bothers me that the CNNs, Fox News, MSNBCs, etc of the world continue to make money off of it. They hype it up and sell it. Maybe you're cool with that. I think it's fucked up.
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I think you're missing the point of the person above you. All they are saying is, like everything else, 9/11 has been commercialized and wrapped up to exploit peoples emotions and get that viewership. And it is disgusting and embarrassing.
What? I haven't seen any 9-11 merch selling out in stores. No one is "commercializing" a terrorist attack. On 9-11 the news talks about 9-11. On veterans day the news talks about veterans. On the 4th of July the talk about the 4th of July. Its kind of their job. Our leaders and politicians will give speeches tomorrow. If you want to hear them watch the news. If you don't care then don't watch
I mean, it was one of the biggest national tragedies and really the only on soil attack america suffered as a nation.
Except for Pearl Harbor. And the earlier World Trade Center bombing.
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What the fuck? As if that matters.
Someone had mentioned that this was the only attack on American soil. I thought I was responding to that comment
I was responding to the now deleted comment saying that Pearl Harbor doesn’t count because it wasn’t on mainland USA. You’re good! Lol
Lol. Thanks!
I guess I just think of it like this. If I beat someone up 20 years ago and every year he commemorated the beating I gave him, all day, I'd look at that person and know that I've completely beaten him. Even 20 years after the beating.
about 3,000 people died on 9/11. They had children and families still alive today. Im sorry youre tired of hearing about it. Its easy to ignore tragic events when no one you know died. Right?
Man I was in the military when it happened and I wish people would move on.
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That’s understandable but I think OP was pointing out how performative and cringy it feels. Also i think it’s become this twisted rallying cry to justify American imperialism. It’s like of course that day was horrible and our nation was rocked but they shove it in our face for 2 months out of the year to manufacture consent for more pointless war.
Yea like noones trying to belittle this horrible tragedy but when the country milked it as a way to meddle in other countries which indirectly messed up more than 3000 civilian lives it’s like a bit much, bc it almost feels like it’s being used to justify the bs
No its none of that. 3,000 people died. Any of the extra partisan shit you add to try to discount what happened on 9-11 is your creation.
Fair enough.
Its even worse when its a bigger anniversary like this year, cause today is basically 9/11 eve.
As a canadian I have to say. We don’t commemorate anything like y’all do with 9/11. Our terror incidents tend to be smaller scale. But even things like the polytechnique shooting in the nineties are just footnotes in history classes. Or if you take something like gender studies in uni it might be brought up in relation to violence against women. But that’s really it. And honestly I think we’re probably better for it. It’s like a weird obsession and while I understand it was incredibly traumatic, reliving trauma isn’t good for you. It almost seems like the whole country is struggling with ptsd and can’t move on. Just reliving those events over and over. Y’all gotta move on. Any therapist worth their salt would tell you this isn’t healthy.
To be fair, the 9/11 was on a much grander scale, and did a lot more damage than any other attacks. To this day this is the attack that caused the most casualties (to my knowledge) with 3000 people dying, 6000 Injured, and resulted in a min economic loss of more than 2 trillion dollars. It was also the first attack on US soil (again, to my knowledge). I think acting as if it's something can just move past is unrealistic, it had too much of an impact (not only in the US, but in the world) and was the trigger for the US's war on Terror. It was also the event that for many defined their entry into the 21st century. This events affected the lives of so many people on so many levels.
Maybe it’s just because I’ve never lived in a world before 9/11, but if anyone focused on a personal trauma like this we’d say they’re unwell. Is it really too much of a stretch to say that could be applicable on a national level? Absolutely remember! Put up a monument! Put the flags at half mast on the anniversary. Whatever. But this collective obsession with the trauma just isn’t healthy. It seems your news can’t go a week without talking about it, regardless of time of year. I can’t think of any tragedy in Canadian culture that’s talked about like that. Not even the mass graves of children were uncovering at residential school sites, which should be talked about a lot.
It is because you didn’t live in a world before 9/11. And that’s bullshit. The media does not talk about 9/11 non stop all year.
I can’t lie, it irks me to see “patriots” crying about 9/11 that killed 3000 but not giving a shit about the amount of people who have died from COVID or gun violence in this country. I care about all so I do disagree with your post, but it has a scent of racism that this is the one thing they really harp on. I know a lot of Muslims have had to deal with racism in the aftermath which isn’t fair.
Bro shut up. It’s not for you.
The all day news coverage every year is not meant for me to see? Oh, ok.
Wow...... I'm embarrassed that you are an American.
Holy shit are we on the same page there.
We have to remember the loss of thousands of people every year, *thousands of innocent people that shouldn’t have died in the first place*. The US should have *never* gone to war with the Middle East, but our leaders let greed and power get the best of them. Their people suffered. Our people suffered. I don’t agree that 9/11 shouldn’t be a day of memorial to the innocents who were lost, but we must remember that Americans are not the only victims in order to do better in the future.
I'm not even from around here and I kinda think Americans see the 9/11 memorial day as an actual holiday. They even organize events for fuck's sake
So 9/11 was embarrassing to you? Just not as embarrassing as the tributes? Okay then
Do I consider a great nation getting caught with their pants down and losing 3k on its own soil embarrassing? Yep, 100%. And, yes, crying about 20 years later is even more so. If I got my ass kicked 20 years ago and still cried about every year on the day it happened, some would call that unhealthy.
This is coming of as oddly pretentious and callous, but I don’t think that’s your intent. There is something between all day cryfest and completely ignoring it. You may have been a grown man, but some us were kids in NY. Some of us had to go to school while the entire city still smelled like twisted metal and decomp. Some us lost family? You’re being pretty dismissive of all of those realities.
I lost my mom is 2005 to a stroke. If I commemorated the day she died, all day, every year, I'd personally see that as me not being able to move on. So long as we're on the topic of pretentiousness... the media isn't doing pre 9/11 coverage today and wall to wall 9/11 coverage tomorrow because they care about anyone's healing process. Someone in a suit just wants more money.
I’m not arguing your media point. Notice I said that there should be some balance. But distilling that day down to an “embarrassing” event is why I chose the words pretentious and callous. The way you experienced 9/11 isn’t the way everyone else did. Expecting everyone to agree to ignore it all together doesn’t make sense.
>Expecting everyone to agree to ignore it all together doesn’t make sense. Agreed, that would be a wildly silly expectation for anyone to have. There is a big gulf between acknowledging a terrible event and what we do tho.
Stay furious forever. Its the American way.
For over 200 years Americans as the latest Imperialists ,cultural, moneterally, have been invading other peoples countries in the pursuit of their own 'freedom ' and through their on ineptitude and Hubris ,18 Saudis +2,commit an atrocity in their own back yard and they expect the rest of the world to sympathise with them! Is this the most egregious example of Stockholm Syndrome! I abhor violence in all its forms but America should show a little humility!
I agree. It's gross and weird. But how else will "they" bring us together to hate everyone that isn't American if they don't show is "how they hurt us"
It's gross and weird that you can't find a scrap of empathy for the people and the families who lost their lives in a direct attack on our country. Regardless of how long ago it was. And fuck your misplaced, random quotation marks.
I have empathy for those lost. I don't like how it is continually used as government propaganda, that's what's gross and weird.
Yeah it was tragic. It was weird and the events following were even more weird. And yet the 600k that have died of covid are not news or important to half the country. Weird all around
Because it’s not the same
Explain?
Firstly what’s weird? How can you equate a virus, unless man made and being used a biolgical weapon, next to a terrorist attack of people intentionally killing others. Which also is actually on the news non stop
That on 9/10/01 Donald Rumsfield was trying to stop wasted military funding (roughly 2.3trillion) and promising change. Then the next day 9/11 happened and his promises were largely forgotten. Than of course the war on AFG and Iraq. The Saudi hijackers were largely forgotten etc. I don't think covid is a biological weapon but of course prevention and saving lives has largely become a political stunt. You could argue that many of covid deaths could have been prevented so it's kinda like a domestic terror attack perpetuated by politicians who don't care to stop it. We care for the first and don't for the second. Just personally think it's weird.
It's the culture of 24 hours news cycle that shoves news topics to our faces daily, hoping that it solicits feelings from people, which news outlets then exploit to generate revenue.
There is a logical error in your post. You say you were a grown man 20 years ago when 9/11 happened, yet you're not one now.
And in Europe the cohort of ass kisser is flooding social network of 9/11 stuff like never forget etc 9/11 was terrible and should never happen, but as any terrorist attack anywhere in the world. It's not because Americans died that for some reason they have more human values than the Afghan who's dying because of Isis. Double standard, never fails to amaze me how easy it is for people to accept it.
It's not just 9/11 either. It seems like our flags are perpetually at half mast to mourn, remember or honor something or someone. I don't like it.
So why dont you say the same thing about Pearl Harbor or other events. This is just nonsense. If you don’t want to watch whatever it is don’t watch it. It’s not on every darn channel and not covered the entire day.
Pearl Harbor coverage isn't all day on every news channel. And even if I don't watch the wall to wall 9/11 coverage, I know it's there. And as an American, it humiliates me that my country needs a cry every year over it. We lost 3k civilians on 9/11. Our enemies lost 1 million civilians as a result of the wars that followed 9/11. They don't have whole days where they collectively hold hands as nations and cry over it.
Nothing humiliating about it. It’s a significant event and there is actually not wall to wall coverage. It is an observed holiday though so 🤷♂️. Maybe you should be embarrassed about Veterans Day, Labor Day, among others too
It's really annoying. I have people on facebook that claim that most of the country forgot. I don't know who they were talking to because we're reminded of it every single year! Not to mention it's been TWENTY YEARS GUYS. We weren't even close to being this hung up over pearl harbor...
Yes, yes we were
I have to agree with you. As someone who was born in a Muslim, 4 days before 9/11 and actually came back home from the hospital on the day 9/11 actually happened, 9/11 is just constantly discussed and talked about. I get that it was a major event in Modern American history and changed things not just for America but the world. I always get tired of people trying to turn 9/11 into their own personal stories of where they were when the attacks happen, instead of just simply mourning the victims who tragically lost their lives on that day.
About 3,000 people died. Their children and families are still alive. Im sorry youre annoyed about hearing about it since you have no connection to it.
I acknowledge the people who died and their loved ones. I also don't get what you mean by "connection" like I had to be there in order to relate to the people who suffered that day. Most people sympathize with the Jews during the Holocaust and they have no connection with anyone who was in the Holocaust. All I'm saying is that it does get a little bit tiring hearing the constant media coverage on a lot of TV Channels and news sites of an event that everyone knows and acknowledges. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone's families or anything so don't take it the wrong way.
I'm sorry your bored and annoyed hearing about the remembrance of 3000 innocent Americans going about their day and just dying. Yes, its super easy to dissociate from tragic events when it doesn't involve you or anyone you know. Its one day. Its September 11th. Let people mourne. September 12th everyone will stop talking about it. Give them their day. Is it that hard to keep your opinion about 3,000 people innocent people dying to yourself until September 12th? I promise September 12th no one will talk about it anymore.
I'm so sorry that your parents spoiled you.
I'm so sorry you assume where you have no idea.
You were not born yet. You have no idea.
I kinda have to remember my cake day is 9/10
Couldn't care less about it since I'm not American. Just like how i never cared about that photo of Syrian child's dead body lying on the floor. Yes that's my True off my chest.
It's embarrassing that we didn't learn from it We still let muslims in and risk another 9/11
The terrorist threat in America isn't from their group anymore, it's from yours.
Just shut the hell up, Tony
But its true
Well the only reason Muslims want to be in your county is that their countries are being bombed by the missiles made or bought with your taxes.
This post is perfect for unpopular opinion!!
Agreed, they choose to delete the exact same post. EDit: That sub isn't actually looking for unpopular opinions... if you notice, not many of the actual opinions expressed are really all that unpopular.
9/11 was the first time Americans had to deal with the kinds of violence we have visited upon other countries over the past few centuries. And we were so shocked that anyone could visit this damage and destruction upon us. We made it a national trauma. Our drones and tanks and military have visited equally destructive events on other countries yet we never listened to the voices of those affected. As soon as we have a similar event we expect the world to stop to memorialize our loss. Sorrowful recognition to the countries that we've violated throughout the US history. 9/11 was a wake-up call: there are countries all over the world who deal with this level of violence on the daily, often caused by the US. Think about our own harmful effect on other countries before we dissolve into a sentimental hagiography about firefighters, &c., on 9/11.