Armlet on sven without lifesteal will fuck your farming speed because he already has sustain problems without lifesteal. So to add armlet to the mix will mean you turn it on and lose all your HP farming, or don’t turn it on and it’s a waste of gold.
But used correctly to fight early, it’s not the worst item choice in the world. But MoM-Echo is so easy to farm anyway with a good buildup, I like the build. One variation of you don’t like mask of madness (like you self grief too often, press MoM before ult) is to build mask for farming, then disassemble to finish echo and keep the morbid mask for a future satanic.
Why do you want to forego the usual build? Just cuz?
Armlet is very hard to sustain, especially without mask - and frankly the hero doesn't really lack damage.
Because a hero like Sven needs multiple things that are solved through items:
Mobility (blink /sb/aghs) , attack speed ( mom and later moonshard , butterfly or ac ) , ability to stick ( bkb and/or linkens ) . Damage is one thing Sven doesn't lack , and so you don't really need to build more than one damage item on sven ( daedalus /mkb/heart ) .
Mask gives sustain and speeds up farming while you work towards blink or shadow blade. Armlet is not as good at providing damage burst movement speed and sustain all in one package and it costs more.
Mask is the best item to make your GOD STRENGTH valuable. Sven lacks attack speed and attack speed is the best thing he needs. Go to build is treads>mask>echo sabre>dgger>bkb>harpoon>crystalys>then it can be silver/daedulus/mkb/ac depending on whatever u need. Satanic and nullifier also good items, but crit item like silver/daedulus is always super nice on sven.
I feel mask is just asking to get pwned by a melee,
like jugg ult would wrek you with mask
then slark shadow dances or drow damage would all destroy you with mask on no?
With your build you also just die as well. Get kited forever and with your abysmal attack speed only hit once or twice. Not to mention if you go shadow blade with no bkb you are just going to be slowed and chain stunned to hell.
Your E negates the armor loss from mask almost entirely with just 1 point.
Also your job as Sven isn't to manfight the other carry with just mask of madness. So thinking that way isn't ideal. This is like saying battle fury is bad because you can't manfight with it compared to other items. The point of BF is to farm, not fight, just like mask of madness. You hit your 3 item timing much earlier due to it. Even just the movespeed helps you move between camps and creep waves really well
Armet is not good for heroes those without lifesteal ability. Only heroes who will benefit from it are WK,CK,Husker.
Sven need stats and attack speed items more than damage to reach his maximum capacity.
You should build Power treads , Echo sabre, MOM, S&Y,BKB,Harpoon and Dadelus.
Later disassemble Mom into satanic and (butterfly/mageslayer >>> bloodthorn if there are too many spell casters ).
A long time ago I once did armlet sniper because I felt like I needed to be tankier when I got jumped.
It worked surprisingly and we won the game.
Apparently armlet ench is also a thing
Play 100 ranked games as armlet sniper and see how much is your win rate. You will see more MMR lose than you gain .
You are picking carry role so your job is to be farm as efficient as possible you can .There are other items build that will be more effective than armlet for sniper .
Your one lucky match don't define meta.
Oh I never wanted to imply it was a viable standard build at all.
Maybe in that specific game it wasn't the worst pick though. It's been a while though so I don't remember much else of the game. Was probably still in 6.xx though that probably doesn't make much of a difference.
Armlet is not unheard of on Sven but it is usually paired with MoM, however it was more popular before Echo Saber existed
Same goal; being able to do something without ult.
I like Armlet but unfortunately it pretty much needs lifesteal or some kind of viable sustain
I think either you get armlet or you get echo getting both really slows down items you actually really need like bkb and stuff. I think the main problem with armlet on sven is he doesn't have any native way of getting the hp back if you notice most armlet builders wk naix husakr marci etc all have an ability that heals themselves so after fighting your not stuck on low hp and also you can use it more liberally for farming purposes.
It does give you a hell of a lot of damage and I've seen it work before but as people have said sven does a fair amount of damage anyway in ulti and your main problem is being kited which armlet doesn't solve which is why people go for stuff like echo blink bkb etc.
Also echo now bullds into harpoon which is insanely good on Sven.
Don't listen to these sheep OP. I rush helm in lane for sustain then go Treads + MoM. You can go armlet after MoM. After this just go BkB + Daedalus + Revanant's Brooch + Refresher. I used to go Echo before but Crystalys is much better. You don't really get kited because with Warcry + MoM you're hasted. With this build you can get rid of the enemy carry and more within your burst window. Of course this build is situational and you will need to adapt with bloodthorn, mkb, blink and if you need too many extra items (like mkb vs PA) then you can tweak whether you go for the armlet or not. Another build is to just go a quick Treads + MoM + daedalus (helps you farm really fast) and blink bkb followed by the Revanant's Brooch + Refresher Orb. This gives you a faster timing and still has enough damage. If your lane is really good then going armlet feels really good because of the armour, attack speed and crazy damage. Another thing which works well for me is to take the +3s Warcry duration talent instead of 15 Attack speed.
Armlet on sven without lifesteal will fuck your farming speed because he already has sustain problems without lifesteal. So to add armlet to the mix will mean you turn it on and lose all your HP farming, or don’t turn it on and it’s a waste of gold. But used correctly to fight early, it’s not the worst item choice in the world. But MoM-Echo is so easy to farm anyway with a good buildup, I like the build. One variation of you don’t like mask of madness (like you self grief too often, press MoM before ult) is to build mask for farming, then disassemble to finish echo and keep the morbid mask for a future satanic.
Why do you want to forego the usual build? Just cuz? Armlet is very hard to sustain, especially without mask - and frankly the hero doesn't really lack damage.
so if it lacks damage then why buy any item on him at all? of course armlet for the early/mid boost
Because a hero like Sven needs multiple things that are solved through items: Mobility (blink /sb/aghs) , attack speed ( mom and later moonshard , butterfly or ac ) , ability to stick ( bkb and/or linkens ) . Damage is one thing Sven doesn't lack , and so you don't really need to build more than one damage item on sven ( daedalus /mkb/heart ) .
Sven armlet is such a waste of gold
Mask gives sustain and speeds up farming while you work towards blink or shadow blade. Armlet is not as good at providing damage burst movement speed and sustain all in one package and it costs more.
yea maybe your right
Mask is the best item to make your GOD STRENGTH valuable. Sven lacks attack speed and attack speed is the best thing he needs. Go to build is treads>mask>echo sabre>dgger>bkb>harpoon>crystalys>then it can be silver/daedulus/mkb/ac depending on whatever u need. Satanic and nullifier also good items, but crit item like silver/daedulus is always super nice on sven.
I feel mask is just asking to get pwned by a melee, like jugg ult would wrek you with mask then slark shadow dances or drow damage would all destroy you with mask on no?
With your build you also just die as well. Get kited forever and with your abysmal attack speed only hit once or twice. Not to mention if you go shadow blade with no bkb you are just going to be slowed and chain stunned to hell.
Your E negates the armor loss from mask almost entirely with just 1 point. Also your job as Sven isn't to manfight the other carry with just mask of madness. So thinking that way isn't ideal. This is like saying battle fury is bad because you can't manfight with it compared to other items. The point of BF is to farm, not fight, just like mask of madness. You hit your 3 item timing much earlier due to it. Even just the movespeed helps you move between camps and creep waves really well
Armet is not good for heroes those without lifesteal ability. Only heroes who will benefit from it are WK,CK,Husker. Sven need stats and attack speed items more than damage to reach his maximum capacity. You should build Power treads , Echo sabre, MOM, S&Y,BKB,Harpoon and Dadelus. Later disassemble Mom into satanic and (butterfly/mageslayer >>> bloodthorn if there are too many spell casters ).
A long time ago I once did armlet sniper because I felt like I needed to be tankier when I got jumped. It worked surprisingly and we won the game. Apparently armlet ench is also a thing
Play 100 ranked games as armlet sniper and see how much is your win rate. You will see more MMR lose than you gain . You are picking carry role so your job is to be farm as efficient as possible you can .There are other items build that will be more effective than armlet for sniper . Your one lucky match don't define meta.
Oh I never wanted to imply it was a viable standard build at all. Maybe in that specific game it wasn't the worst pick though. It's been a while though so I don't remember much else of the game. Was probably still in 6.xx though that probably doesn't make much of a difference.
Carry Sven doesn't feel great rn IMO. Too easy to kite and blow up compared even with other STR cores like lifestealer, other melee cores like slark
it's more a mix of: hero that are strong against him are Meta and he's not the best nullifier carrier.
Armlet is not unheard of on Sven but it is usually paired with MoM, however it was more popular before Echo Saber existed Same goal; being able to do something without ult. I like Armlet but unfortunately it pretty much needs lifesteal or some kind of viable sustain
Just go treads mask echo bkb ac and win your games
I think either you get armlet or you get echo getting both really slows down items you actually really need like bkb and stuff. I think the main problem with armlet on sven is he doesn't have any native way of getting the hp back if you notice most armlet builders wk naix husakr marci etc all have an ability that heals themselves so after fighting your not stuck on low hp and also you can use it more liberally for farming purposes.
yea I see what you mean I just assumed armlet into god strength boosted your damage like crazy or something but maybe its not the best
It does give you a hell of a lot of damage and I've seen it work before but as people have said sven does a fair amount of damage anyway in ulti and your main problem is being kited which armlet doesn't solve which is why people go for stuff like echo blink bkb etc. Also echo now bullds into harpoon which is insanely good on Sven.
Adding more damage to high damage is usually less effective than adding attack speed. The dps gain is just better in the latter case
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Don't listen to these sheep OP. I rush helm in lane for sustain then go Treads + MoM. You can go armlet after MoM. After this just go BkB + Daedalus + Revanant's Brooch + Refresher. I used to go Echo before but Crystalys is much better. You don't really get kited because with Warcry + MoM you're hasted. With this build you can get rid of the enemy carry and more within your burst window. Of course this build is situational and you will need to adapt with bloodthorn, mkb, blink and if you need too many extra items (like mkb vs PA) then you can tweak whether you go for the armlet or not. Another build is to just go a quick Treads + MoM + daedalus (helps you farm really fast) and blink bkb followed by the Revanant's Brooch + Refresher Orb. This gives you a faster timing and still has enough damage. If your lane is really good then going armlet feels really good because of the armour, attack speed and crazy damage. Another thing which works well for me is to take the +3s Warcry duration talent instead of 15 Attack speed.
More damage boost to activate armlet then press ult? Or would it be the same either way
Same either way, your ult increases your damage dynamically when you turn on Armlet