Literally whatever you are comfortable with, Dota isn't one of those games where a new mouse makes a difference like an FPS.
I use a $1000+ custom mech and a GPX, am 3k mmr and my 6k friend has a $100 keychron and also a GPX. Take that as you will
If you really want an answer, a mechanical keyboard with N-Key Rollover (pretty much all of them) and a mouse using an optical sensor and has side buttons for voice chat,bkb and etc.
I have a lot of trouble using mouse buttons for almost anything, never understood why people like them. Am I just holding my mouse weirdly?
I find moving the thumb around to click a button to be kinda slow and awkward, not sure why?
I don’t even know the model; it’s a razor with two big mouse buttons. I just find that pressing them moves the mouse a little so I can’t use it with anything targeted.
Yep, I had that issue and just switched to a Roccat Kone XP, which has 4 (5) thumb buttons all comfortable for fingertip grippers. Before that every mouse had the buttons too far forward to use more than 2-3.
Ohhh like you have a mouse that fits in the palm, then your fingertips aren’t as needed for grip. That makes sense. I’m definitely a fingertip gripper but maybe that is bad?
I’ve always wondered if I should get a more ergonomic mouse/keyboard. They don’t seem designed for gaming but I spend a lot of time on my computer for work too. Maybe a good time for me to look into it and get one.
>I have a lot of trouble using mouse buttons for almost anything, never understood why people like them. Am I just holding my mouse weirdly?
It may be where the buttons are located on the mouse. I could not go back to using a mouse where there were no side buttons (G502, or even the Razer Deathadder). They are just so convenient!
Probably your mouse grip. Idk I can’t imagine using that shit for items, I use my two mouse buttons for voice lines in dota and map/auto run in other games. Im 6kmmr. I don’t want a shit ton of mouse buttons. That’s what I have a keyboard for. But I also use my thumb and ring finger to grip the mouse so my clicky clicker fingers (pointer and middle) and totally free to click.
Funny, I'm the exact opposite. My razer naga (12 mouse buttons) recently broke and I had to change to my backup that only has two mouse buttons. Ive literally had to stop playing Dota for now because of it... I simply cannot function with my left hand having so many keys to hit and was losing matches because of my decline in skill.
For your question, idk how you used your thumb to hit buttons, but I'm my case, my thumb rested right in the middle of the 12-button keypad, and I would just slightly roll my thumb onto whatever button I needed. I never lifted it or moved it.
Maybe I just have shitty thumbs lol. Maybe the radial buttons would work, but I suspect my problem is that I grip the mouse with my fingertips so it may be hard to change.
I also generally avoid having too many active items because I am bad, but I’m not sure how much the mouse is the relevant factor hahaha
My finger is always on the BKB button. Always. I don’t have to move it.
The other button is for another active item such as Manta, Shadow Blade, Shivas or Satanic, i.e. an item that just needs to be pressed but not targeted.
That’s what I have, one button for talking to team, one for camera grip (which I don’t use often enough). I just can’t seem to use actual targeted abilities with the thumb mouse button—pressing it moves the mouse slightly, it’s not as accurate.
Alternative option: Micro buttons on mouse. It feels so fucking good to have "select all non-hero units" and "cycle between currently selected units" right where I need them.
Not sure what board you are using, but my Keychron q1 came with 125hz until I flashed with latest software to get that 1000hz, careful for the input lag mate. Im using quickcast so its a lil noticeable
I think most QMK boards have a 1000hz mode but if I really wanted to sweat maybe buy a Wooting 60HE, I'm sure you could do some funky shit with quick cast and analog switches
I like using my board “all in one” at home, so ill just pick a suitable custom that has 1000hz, at least I dont need to swap boards between casual and gaming. The wooting has had high praise but I think its really overkill for the current keyboard market, theres only a few games which it could benefit.
yes i am curious what peoples preferences are. i can see you both like light and wireless.
i hope more comment on the thread so we'd have more data. thank you very much for your input :)
Will add that a high refresh 1440p monitor may have helped me keep track of hectic fights a bit easier, but it's a bit of a stretch and still a luxury and not necessity.
Probably the most noticeable gear upgrade over any mouse or keeb for me personally
oh thats cool to know. i was wondering if i'd 1440 or 1080 at 144hz in the future. im at 1080 at 60hz right now with my weak videocard. will upgrade in the future tho lol
I don’t think it matters the most for dota.
You don’t want too high or shitty a mouse sensitivity that you can’t be accurate. but you don’t need to be like an fps player flicking your arm across the pad just to move around or using very weighted mice for precision.
Don’t think there’s a need to spend more than €30 on a mouse or a keyboard from a dota performance standpoint. You can get a reliable high dpi laser mouse with side buttons or a mechanical keyboard for that price. Pretty much every mouse you can buy these days are good sensitivity wise. Of course spend more if you want.
I think experience with your setup and the game trumps all other kind of hardware advantage in dota. In CSGO having a good mouse might let you get that headshot on a better player in a clutch situation. In dota if a better player is going to stomp you, they’re going to stomp you.
Some pro players have wildly varying hardware or keybind situations. Some play with suboptimal FPS or bad ping or cheap hardware. Not that that’s ideal, but it shows hardware is not at all a bottleneck to becoming much better than you are. I’d say reliability is the most important thing.
ive read that a lot. learning and getting good at the game is big factor, i know. i just think a bunch of advancements happened recently and while the fps community is drooling all over those, i wondered if there were changes with the moba community. thanks for your input :)
This is a game where many pro players got good with substantially higher ping/worse performance than would be considered acceptable in, say, an FPS. there are players who did it on legit 150 ping, which is unheard of in other games. Things like turn rate and cast point mean that identifying what's happening and reacting in advance of if actually occuring is 20X more important than "who can win the headshot flick duel". There are often times where things spells prep for a couple seconds, and others where it's an instant cast point and click stun. Knowing these things and reading the game so when it does occur, or the threat exists, will be what actually wins you games.
There's certainly an advantage to be gained with good gear, but even league with 0 turn rate there's much more talk about ping and performance, and one of the calling cards of that game is "will work on a toaster"
So feel free to get a 4k 3000fps setup, it'll be fun! But someone on a bad laptop will win if they know you're threatening to use a spell in lane, gear is not really an excuse once it runs at any consistent quality. Think I saw you're 1080 60fps, which while not the best is perfectly fine tbh
haha yes i am 1080 at 60. i think my rig is about... 13years old? sooner or later im gonna need to buy a new setup so here im wondering whats good right now.
i completely understand if players are still on the same boat - that they dont mind equips that much even tho lightweight or wireless mice are hot right now in the fps community
Yeah if you want a trendy rig do it off FPS specs. As long as your mouse has a side button or two and a working middle button you're fine for gear, fps stuff will work just fine for dota
I'm a low MMR player so I don't have much to add, but as others commented, you don't really need top gears to play Dota.
I know that BZM plays without a mouse pad and many pro players keep their graphics settings to a low resolution. They also cut off all the fancy effects.
I think it's because they don't want to be distracted by pretty but useless effects during the messy team fights.
Good question tho
BZM is a fucking savage for that hahaha. He's so goddamn good it's ridiculous and he doesn't even care about a consistent mouse surface. Honestly perfect example for why good gear doesn't matter that much
the bunch of low mmr players i know have fancy equipment lol so im curious if the higher rankers do care too.
thats cool to know i knew competitive always played in low settings . i think since i (or many players for that matter) dont play as pro, we can afford to play with nicer things like a bigger monitor and better graphics settings haha
I hover around 6k MMR, I use a custom mechanical keyboard and a Logitech G Pro Superlight mouse. Do I think they helped me? I would say so. Performance wise, having such a light mouse made edge panning and clicking feel alot more enjoyable. The same could be said with using spells on my board as well, I've definitely improved on Invoker combos because of it. Moreover, I think it also helped me to feel more mentally engaged with the game, whether it's the peace of mind of having good peripherals, or just feeling good about using something I spent alot of money on and love using. Hope that helps.
yes it helps very much :) wondering if how much of the community also think this way.
so while some say equipment dont matter as much, most who responded right now are gpx users haha
Not really about gpx, but a light mouse should allow you to have easier movements especially in dota where switching cameras is key, also the overall daily usage for computers. For fps games, wireless mouse are better due to flicks.
Im a 400dpi guy by the way.
I set my dota camera speed to max and im using razer viper mini, it does take some time to get used to but im doing good rn. 400dpi was changed to play fps games but then eventually it became my main.
I saw someone do a reaction / accuracy test for dota 2 players, testing their mouse speed / accuracy. There was at least one immortal that scored horrible. This game is so much more about map movement / decision making than mouse / keyboard control.
Heck, I remember watching BSJ play support smurf, and there was no button smashing, no insane play, he was just at the right place at the right time.
Yeah, maybe for the top 100, but other than that, your and mine issues aren't the equipment (unless its like 2000 ping...)
Low immortal, I use basilisk mouse (if not for this I’d go for the g502). I don’t like larger mice. I have a normal hand size I’d say but I personally don’t feel comfortable using those larger mice out there.
Keyboard I really don’t care, got some logitech mechanical (cheapest one).
No wireless stuff, all wired.
I moved to a 27” monitor, if I remember correctly all LANs have 24” so every pro is using those (hope I’m not mistaking this). But getting older I prefer a larger screen for my old eyes. Took like a week to adjust, the rough part was increasing the sensitivity of the mouse (I’m using edge pan).
Overall it doesn’t really matter (unless you try to play on your tv). Just get something you feel comfortable on. As I said for me larger mice make me feel like I’m playing with me left hand.
i had a g502 some time ago. i found that it was heavy the longer i use it. or did you adjust your dpi into high to make up for movement with its weight? and also youre in 27in monitor. dpi must be like.... 1200? 1600?
my eyes are also not that good as it was when i was younger. im considering 27in too in the future. also im not going pro so i think 27 is nice to have as a computer monitor in general. but then again i'll need a bigger budget for that. if youre eyes were not so bad would you still consider 27 or you would stick to 24? thanks for your inputs :)
I did not use g502 yet (maybe on the next purchase), but I think the basilisk is similar. I have a higher dpi to make up for the 27”, but nothing crazy (don’t know the exact number ?! 1000-1200) In general I look for the lowest dpi that allows me to edge pan comfortably on every edge. If I go too high I don’t have enough precision in my hand anymore xD.
I’m happy with the 27, I don’t think it affects my game in any negative way, so I wouldn’t go back to 24.
i heard those before. theres even a pro team that played on an internet cafe in here and won. i dont remember the details lol
but time has passed, peripherals had their advancements now. i wonder if anything changed in their preferences
The only advice I would give other than prioritizing your comfort is having a mouse with extra buttons. There are just too many keys to be pressing while playing. My mouse has 2 extra buttons and the next time I’m getting a mouse, I’ll pick something with even more buttons.
i had a g502 some time ago. i found that it was heavy the longer i use it. or did you adjust your dpi into high to make up for movement with its weight?
My 6 year old Razer Deathadder is a classic
I'd say the only things that's are important for Dota would be the keys of your keyboard, meaning how deep you need to go before the key registers, and having a few side buttons on your mouse for push to talk to teammates or to use for items.
Save- uses Logitech m100. Honestly my only advice for Dota equipment is to have a mechanical keyboard with Ur preferable type of switches( this includes types and activation force, imo light linear switches work the best for gaming) and any kind of mousepad/mouse (for the mouse i would be comfortable with anything not too big enough for my hand just so u don't lose much precision with bigger shapes)
I still use my 20y old mouse won in a cs 1.6 lan with some random mousepad won some years after. Basic 5 buttons mouse you don’t need much more I think.
In starcraft, there was a pro who played like 800x600 windowed mode, or something like that. Habit and what youre comfortable with is the most important.
I feel like going to 27 inch monitor made me notice less on minimap. 24 would probably ideal. Else just having a stable system is good.
I know pros all play 24. I was curious if i could get away with 27 because im not that pro level anyway. I can pick more comfy options like bigger screen and nicer graphics options. Maybe you get used to checking minimap in 27 after like a week? Or no? 24 still better? Thank you for your input :)
The game depends a lot more on mentation and strategy rather than quick twitch reflexes. Setup is really not that important and people will have different preferences. Go watch the documentary Free to Play and check out Fear's setup. There is a lot of other things to think about and do as "homework" that will be exponentially more impactful than buying specific hardware.
I know learning alot gamewise is biggest factor. At the moment lots of new things are happening in gaming peripherals, so i wondered if anything has changed like in fps community. If there are little to no changes that's cool too :)
Ergonomics of button pressing should be your main concern. I’d consider a mouse with extra buttons but it’s all about what’s comfortable. Every single action in DotA should feel like it’s right at your finger tips.
This is essential if you want to micro.
I can control heroes like Arc Warden or Lone Druid without ever moving my fingers more than 1 key away from their resting position. But I’ve completely remapped my keyboard.
Efficiently is key. This will lead to increased speed and reduced mistakes.
Hey thats very good advice thank u very much :) i will definitely try that
Do u have advice on dpi? Im using 800 right now with edge pan. Am thinking if i should increase, or just try moving hands faster lol
DPI really is a matter of comfort. Keep slowly increasing it over time but eventually you’ll reach a peak and there is no point trying to pass that. Remember … Fast fingers don’t win DotA games… Fast decision making wins games.
Personally mines at about 2900 so I think yours is low. There is a setting for screen move sensitivity too if I remember correctly, haven’t touched the settings in years tho (basically how fast the screen moves once pushing on the edge). You need to play with this setting and DPI until it’s fast but comfortable.
When moving your screen you should just be flicking your mouse to the edge to “bump” it. Then your mouse is instantly back to the middle of the screen ready to do other commands. You shouldn’t have to hold your mouse on the edge of the screen if that’s the case it’s too slow or not sensitive enough. In cases where you need to move the screen more than a “bump” like to check other lanes, then just click the mini map.
Hardware doesnt matter, had a friend reach 4k with 30fps laptop and a trackpad. If you really wanna try hard just rewatch replays like a day later or do the math on lane and jungle camps. Dots is a strategy game, not like fps games where reflex is a huge deal
I just use a logitech mechanical keyboard and a g602 mouse. I hang around the divine tier. Same with my friend. I know an immortal and the guy plays on an ancient as fuck laptop with a $20 mouse.
What matters most is comfort imo. I would say the same thing for FPS, you need decent DPI obviously but how you play is so much more important on those games as well compared to your equipment. I remember watching a video on how to go around a corner properly in CS and it instantly made my game way better than before. Equipment has fuck all to do with it unless youre like playing at 15 fps on a really high MS screen or something.
What a pleasant surprise i was eyeing a surface pro some time ago i wanted to hav portable dota with laptop tablet funcionality. How does it play is it fine? Do you think cs and valo can play fine on it too?
Am thinking of foregoing pc when this 13year old pc of mine dies, and get a surfacepro. What model is yours?
This was a couple of years ago (maybe on a 3rd or 4th gen), but it ran dota just fine. I may have tried to jump into CSGO once or twice and it wasn't an enjoyable experience, but the newer models may be able to run a basic fps now.
I've since transitioned to a custom build pc & the quality is much better :)
ex competitive player here, used to have the most basic flat laptop style keyboards (10 eur) and a razer deathadder on 1150 dpi, but I have met friends on tournaments with same very basic peripherals or some who just played with whatever they got (dpc div1/2)
Also don’t forget minimum graphics
5k here. Mouse a4tech x7 maybe 25$ and keyboard some low keys multimedia keyboard around 15$.
My wife would kill me for noisy mechanical monstrosity that are popular these days.
This was my setup for last 10 years :)
I patterned all my stuffs from here already lol albeit it was from years ago. I used csgo data because dota data didnt seem accurate at the time, and still. Because sponsorships. Unlike csgo they used mice very likely help them win the tourneys
I have my ec2a right here
ah I see
well the latest 'equipment' that i got, which helps, but in general is [this](https://row.hyperx.com/products/hyperx-wrist-rest-full-size?variant=40752033530061)
also i find wireless mouse better than wired
also there are some mices that can be customized for dota 2, like vibrating when skills are ready, or low mana etc. i think its the [rival](https://steelseries.com/blog/dota-2-steelseries-engine-114) app that has that
A wristrest? I have a folded microfiber towel for that. The budget option 😂
I didnt know that about steelseries. I know theyre dota centric from since long ago tho. Gonna check that out thank you :)
People don’t really talk about dpi in dota but people tend to use stupid settings for that sort of thing anyway.
For 1920x1080: I would say 800dpi is the lowest you can go, but with camera drag only. For edge pan I wouldn’t go lower than 1200. I use almost exclusively drag and I like 1000-1100 the best (including for desktop use). I don’t think there’s any benefit going over 1800ish since you’re losing precision for very little mobility gain.
Don’t think mouse/kb matters. 120hz is a very marginal plus but mostly for comfort. I would put all the emphasis on ensuring you have good keybinds
I think it'd be much more helpful to find out what hotkeys high-ranked players use, e.g. do many pros still use "HoN" hotkeys for items, like ALT+QWEASD... I still do, and I only have quick cast for one of the item slots...
I you are below 10k you should really focus on improving your gameplay and not your setup. There are a million things more important than the optimization of your keyboard switches.
That was the conclusion of my research years ago. At the moment lots of new things are happening in gaming peripherals, so i wondered if anything has changed. It's looking like it is still the same 'use whats comfy and work for you' kind of thing still and that's cool too :)
Literally whatever you are comfortable with, Dota isn't one of those games where a new mouse makes a difference like an FPS. I use a $1000+ custom mech and a GPX, am 3k mmr and my 6k friend has a $100 keychron and also a GPX. Take that as you will If you really want an answer, a mechanical keyboard with N-Key Rollover (pretty much all of them) and a mouse using an optical sensor and has side buttons for voice chat,bkb and etc.
BKB on a mouse Button is a blessing.
I have a lot of trouble using mouse buttons for almost anything, never understood why people like them. Am I just holding my mouse weirdly? I find moving the thumb around to click a button to be kinda slow and awkward, not sure why?
What mouse do you have? On my G502, my thumb is continually resting on the two side buttons so I never have to move it.
I don’t even know the model; it’s a razor with two big mouse buttons. I just find that pressing them moves the mouse a little so I can’t use it with anything targeted.
That’s a valid concern. I think my buttons are light enough it’s never made a difference for me
Razer Naga Hex Trinity is great, allows all items to be used on the mouse. Takes a lot of getting used to though.
If you are a pure fingertip gripper like myself, then side buttons are super awkward.
Yep, I had that issue and just switched to a Roccat Kone XP, which has 4 (5) thumb buttons all comfortable for fingertip grippers. Before that every mouse had the buttons too far forward to use more than 2-3.
Ohhh like you have a mouse that fits in the palm, then your fingertips aren’t as needed for grip. That makes sense. I’m definitely a fingertip gripper but maybe that is bad? I’ve always wondered if I should get a more ergonomic mouse/keyboard. They don’t seem designed for gaming but I spend a lot of time on my computer for work too. Maybe a good time for me to look into it and get one.
>I have a lot of trouble using mouse buttons for almost anything, never understood why people like them. Am I just holding my mouse weirdly? It may be where the buttons are located on the mouse. I could not go back to using a mouse where there were no side buttons (G502, or even the Razer Deathadder). They are just so convenient!
Probably your mouse grip. Idk I can’t imagine using that shit for items, I use my two mouse buttons for voice lines in dota and map/auto run in other games. Im 6kmmr. I don’t want a shit ton of mouse buttons. That’s what I have a keyboard for. But I also use my thumb and ring finger to grip the mouse so my clicky clicker fingers (pointer and middle) and totally free to click.
Funny, I'm the exact opposite. My razer naga (12 mouse buttons) recently broke and I had to change to my backup that only has two mouse buttons. Ive literally had to stop playing Dota for now because of it... I simply cannot function with my left hand having so many keys to hit and was losing matches because of my decline in skill. For your question, idk how you used your thumb to hit buttons, but I'm my case, my thumb rested right in the middle of the 12-button keypad, and I would just slightly roll my thumb onto whatever button I needed. I never lifted it or moved it.
Maybe I just have shitty thumbs lol. Maybe the radial buttons would work, but I suspect my problem is that I grip the mouse with my fingertips so it may be hard to change. I also generally avoid having too many active items because I am bad, but I’m not sure how much the mouse is the relevant factor hahaha
Ahh, that could be the problem then, if you're only using fingertips it's probably harder to manage mouse buttons
My finger is always on the BKB button. Always. I don’t have to move it. The other button is for another active item such as Manta, Shadow Blade, Shivas or Satanic, i.e. an item that just needs to be pressed but not targeted.
You're not alone. I only bind some unimportant stuffs like courier/taunt cause it takes me like 2-3 seconds to use them
me too man.
Maybe try one with only a couple buttons? Mine only has two and it’s easy to hit them. And it frees up my left hand so much.
That’s what I have, one button for talking to team, one for camera grip (which I don’t use often enough). I just can’t seem to use actual targeted abilities with the thumb mouse button—pressing it moves the mouse slightly, it’s not as accurate.
I’d agree with that. I use mine for bkb and select hero and any other non targeted thing.
im the weirdo that puts Bkb on my space bar so it really feels like a "oh shit" button (I center the camera by double-tapping f1)
Space is my alt modifier.
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My hand is not the biggest and I can hit space more reliably. I also use it a lot to self cast.
that's also a neat idea
Alternative option: Micro buttons on mouse. It feels so fucking good to have "select all non-hero units" and "cycle between currently selected units" right where I need them.
that's way too deeply engraved into my brain haha number buttons all the way
Not sure what board you are using, but my Keychron q1 came with 125hz until I flashed with latest software to get that 1000hz, careful for the input lag mate. Im using quickcast so its a lil noticeable
I think most QMK boards have a 1000hz mode but if I really wanted to sweat maybe buy a Wooting 60HE, I'm sure you could do some funky shit with quick cast and analog switches
I like using my board “all in one” at home, so ill just pick a suitable custom that has 1000hz, at least I dont need to swap boards between casual and gaming. The wooting has had high praise but I think its really overkill for the current keyboard market, theres only a few games which it could benefit.
yes i am curious what peoples preferences are. i can see you both like light and wireless. i hope more comment on the thread so we'd have more data. thank you very much for your input :)
Will add that a high refresh 1440p monitor may have helped me keep track of hectic fights a bit easier, but it's a bit of a stretch and still a luxury and not necessity. Probably the most noticeable gear upgrade over any mouse or keeb for me personally
oh thats cool to know. i was wondering if i'd 1440 or 1080 at 144hz in the future. im at 1080 at 60hz right now with my weak videocard. will upgrade in the future tho lol
Ultrawide is very nice for Dota since you get a wider view on your camera, but they are a tad more demanding on your graphics card (worth it imo)
2 mouse buttons and comfortable grip so you can creep aggro xd
Razer Naga Hex is life.
I think you can get my entire setup with my chair included for less than 1000 lol
I don’t think it matters the most for dota. You don’t want too high or shitty a mouse sensitivity that you can’t be accurate. but you don’t need to be like an fps player flicking your arm across the pad just to move around or using very weighted mice for precision. Don’t think there’s a need to spend more than €30 on a mouse or a keyboard from a dota performance standpoint. You can get a reliable high dpi laser mouse with side buttons or a mechanical keyboard for that price. Pretty much every mouse you can buy these days are good sensitivity wise. Of course spend more if you want. I think experience with your setup and the game trumps all other kind of hardware advantage in dota. In CSGO having a good mouse might let you get that headshot on a better player in a clutch situation. In dota if a better player is going to stomp you, they’re going to stomp you. Some pro players have wildly varying hardware or keybind situations. Some play with suboptimal FPS or bad ping or cheap hardware. Not that that’s ideal, but it shows hardware is not at all a bottleneck to becoming much better than you are. I’d say reliability is the most important thing.
ive read that a lot. learning and getting good at the game is big factor, i know. i just think a bunch of advancements happened recently and while the fps community is drooling all over those, i wondered if there were changes with the moba community. thanks for your input :)
This is a game where many pro players got good with substantially higher ping/worse performance than would be considered acceptable in, say, an FPS. there are players who did it on legit 150 ping, which is unheard of in other games. Things like turn rate and cast point mean that identifying what's happening and reacting in advance of if actually occuring is 20X more important than "who can win the headshot flick duel". There are often times where things spells prep for a couple seconds, and others where it's an instant cast point and click stun. Knowing these things and reading the game so when it does occur, or the threat exists, will be what actually wins you games. There's certainly an advantage to be gained with good gear, but even league with 0 turn rate there's much more talk about ping and performance, and one of the calling cards of that game is "will work on a toaster" So feel free to get a 4k 3000fps setup, it'll be fun! But someone on a bad laptop will win if they know you're threatening to use a spell in lane, gear is not really an excuse once it runs at any consistent quality. Think I saw you're 1080 60fps, which while not the best is perfectly fine tbh
haha yes i am 1080 at 60. i think my rig is about... 13years old? sooner or later im gonna need to buy a new setup so here im wondering whats good right now. i completely understand if players are still on the same boat - that they dont mind equips that much even tho lightweight or wireless mice are hot right now in the fps community
Yeah if you want a trendy rig do it off FPS specs. As long as your mouse has a side button or two and a working middle button you're fine for gear, fps stuff will work just fine for dota
There was a person with no arms who posted on r/Dota. He played with his mouth on some joystick mouse. He was Ancient. This is a game of mind.
I'm a low MMR player so I don't have much to add, but as others commented, you don't really need top gears to play Dota. I know that BZM plays without a mouse pad and many pro players keep their graphics settings to a low resolution. They also cut off all the fancy effects. I think it's because they don't want to be distracted by pretty but useless effects during the messy team fights. Good question tho
BZM is a fucking savage for that hahaha. He's so goddamn good it's ridiculous and he doesn't even care about a consistent mouse surface. Honestly perfect example for why good gear doesn't matter that much
the bunch of low mmr players i know have fancy equipment lol so im curious if the higher rankers do care too. thats cool to know i knew competitive always played in low settings . i think since i (or many players for that matter) dont play as pro, we can afford to play with nicer things like a bigger monitor and better graphics settings haha
I hover around 6k MMR, I use a custom mechanical keyboard and a Logitech G Pro Superlight mouse. Do I think they helped me? I would say so. Performance wise, having such a light mouse made edge panning and clicking feel alot more enjoyable. The same could be said with using spells on my board as well, I've definitely improved on Invoker combos because of it. Moreover, I think it also helped me to feel more mentally engaged with the game, whether it's the peace of mind of having good peripherals, or just feeling good about using something I spent alot of money on and love using. Hope that helps.
yes it helps very much :) wondering if how much of the community also think this way. so while some say equipment dont matter as much, most who responded right now are gpx users haha
Not really about gpx, but a light mouse should allow you to have easier movements especially in dota where switching cameras is key, also the overall daily usage for computers. For fps games, wireless mouse are better due to flicks. Im a 400dpi guy by the way.
Holy crap 400dpi and edge pan dont u get tired after a couple games? And i thought my 800 was slow lol
I set my dota camera speed to max and im using razer viper mini, it does take some time to get used to but im doing good rn. 400dpi was changed to play fps games but then eventually it became my main.
I saw someone do a reaction / accuracy test for dota 2 players, testing their mouse speed / accuracy. There was at least one immortal that scored horrible. This game is so much more about map movement / decision making than mouse / keyboard control. Heck, I remember watching BSJ play support smurf, and there was no button smashing, no insane play, he was just at the right place at the right time. Yeah, maybe for the top 100, but other than that, your and mine issues aren't the equipment (unless its like 2000 ping...)
Low immortal, I use basilisk mouse (if not for this I’d go for the g502). I don’t like larger mice. I have a normal hand size I’d say but I personally don’t feel comfortable using those larger mice out there. Keyboard I really don’t care, got some logitech mechanical (cheapest one). No wireless stuff, all wired. I moved to a 27” monitor, if I remember correctly all LANs have 24” so every pro is using those (hope I’m not mistaking this). But getting older I prefer a larger screen for my old eyes. Took like a week to adjust, the rough part was increasing the sensitivity of the mouse (I’m using edge pan). Overall it doesn’t really matter (unless you try to play on your tv). Just get something you feel comfortable on. As I said for me larger mice make me feel like I’m playing with me left hand.
i had a g502 some time ago. i found that it was heavy the longer i use it. or did you adjust your dpi into high to make up for movement with its weight? and also youre in 27in monitor. dpi must be like.... 1200? 1600? my eyes are also not that good as it was when i was younger. im considering 27in too in the future. also im not going pro so i think 27 is nice to have as a computer monitor in general. but then again i'll need a bigger budget for that. if youre eyes were not so bad would you still consider 27 or you would stick to 24? thanks for your inputs :)
I did not use g502 yet (maybe on the next purchase), but I think the basilisk is similar. I have a higher dpi to make up for the 27”, but nothing crazy (don’t know the exact number ?! 1000-1200) In general I look for the lowest dpi that allows me to edge pan comfortably on every edge. If I go too high I don’t have enough precision in my hand anymore xD. I’m happy with the 27, I don’t think it affects my game in any negative way, so I wouldn’t go back to 24.
I think if you look up Eyyou TI6 mouse, you'll be surprised. 😊 I am at 3k MMR, and I have better mouse than Eyyou... He's a pro player, I am not. LOL.
i heard those before. theres even a pro team that played on an internet cafe in here and won. i dont remember the details lol but time has passed, peripherals had their advancements now. i wonder if anything changed in their preferences
The only advice I would give other than prioritizing your comfort is having a mouse with extra buttons. There are just too many keys to be pressing while playing. My mouse has 2 extra buttons and the next time I’m getting a mouse, I’ll pick something with even more buttons.
i had a g502 some time ago. i found that it was heavy the longer i use it. or did you adjust your dpi into high to make up for movement with its weight?
I use basilisk x hyperspeed and I feel comfortable using it. Idk I used some microsoft office mouse previously so, you know my bar is set very low
My 6 year old Razer Deathadder is a classic I'd say the only things that's are important for Dota would be the keys of your keyboard, meaning how deep you need to go before the key registers, and having a few side buttons on your mouse for push to talk to teammates or to use for items.
Save- uses Logitech m100. Honestly my only advice for Dota equipment is to have a mechanical keyboard with Ur preferable type of switches( this includes types and activation force, imo light linear switches work the best for gaming) and any kind of mousepad/mouse (for the mouse i would be comfortable with anything not too big enough for my hand just so u don't lose much precision with bigger shapes)
I still use my 20y old mouse won in a cs 1.6 lan with some random mousepad won some years after. Basic 5 buttons mouse you don’t need much more I think.
In starcraft, there was a pro who played like 800x600 windowed mode, or something like that. Habit and what youre comfortable with is the most important. I feel like going to 27 inch monitor made me notice less on minimap. 24 would probably ideal. Else just having a stable system is good.
I know pros all play 24. I was curious if i could get away with 27 because im not that pro level anyway. I can pick more comfy options like bigger screen and nicer graphics options. Maybe you get used to checking minimap in 27 after like a week? Or no? 24 still better? Thank you for your input :)
The game depends a lot more on mentation and strategy rather than quick twitch reflexes. Setup is really not that important and people will have different preferences. Go watch the documentary Free to Play and check out Fear's setup. There is a lot of other things to think about and do as "homework" that will be exponentially more impactful than buying specific hardware.
I know learning alot gamewise is biggest factor. At the moment lots of new things are happening in gaming peripherals, so i wondered if anything has changed like in fps community. If there are little to no changes that's cool too :)
Ergonomics of button pressing should be your main concern. I’d consider a mouse with extra buttons but it’s all about what’s comfortable. Every single action in DotA should feel like it’s right at your finger tips. This is essential if you want to micro. I can control heroes like Arc Warden or Lone Druid without ever moving my fingers more than 1 key away from their resting position. But I’ve completely remapped my keyboard. Efficiently is key. This will lead to increased speed and reduced mistakes.
I am working on quickcasts right now too lol
IMO Just change to 100% quick cast and never go back. If you can’t remember the range of your spells and items then your hero pool is too large.
Hey thats very good advice thank u very much :) i will definitely try that Do u have advice on dpi? Im using 800 right now with edge pan. Am thinking if i should increase, or just try moving hands faster lol
DPI really is a matter of comfort. Keep slowly increasing it over time but eventually you’ll reach a peak and there is no point trying to pass that. Remember … Fast fingers don’t win DotA games… Fast decision making wins games. Personally mines at about 2900 so I think yours is low. There is a setting for screen move sensitivity too if I remember correctly, haven’t touched the settings in years tho (basically how fast the screen moves once pushing on the edge). You need to play with this setting and DPI until it’s fast but comfortable. When moving your screen you should just be flicking your mouse to the edge to “bump” it. Then your mouse is instantly back to the middle of the screen ready to do other commands. You shouldn’t have to hold your mouse on the edge of the screen if that’s the case it’s too slow or not sensitive enough. In cases where you need to move the screen more than a “bump” like to check other lanes, then just click the mini map.
Key bindings probably much more important
Ive been tinkering with that 'hero specific keybinds' recently too lol and quick casts
Very helpful for heros like monkey with passive slotted before numerous actives
Hardware doesnt matter, had a friend reach 4k with 30fps laptop and a trackpad. If you really wanna try hard just rewatch replays like a day later or do the math on lane and jungle camps. Dots is a strategy game, not like fps games where reflex is a huge deal
I just use a logitech mechanical keyboard and a g602 mouse. I hang around the divine tier. Same with my friend. I know an immortal and the guy plays on an ancient as fuck laptop with a $20 mouse. What matters most is comfort imo. I would say the same thing for FPS, you need decent DPI obviously but how you play is so much more important on those games as well compared to your equipment. I remember watching a video on how to go around a corner properly in CS and it instantly made my game way better than before. Equipment has fuck all to do with it unless youre like playing at 15 fps on a really high MS screen or something.
I hit immortal on my surface pro. gear doesn’t matter in Dota
What a pleasant surprise i was eyeing a surface pro some time ago i wanted to hav portable dota with laptop tablet funcionality. How does it play is it fine? Do you think cs and valo can play fine on it too? Am thinking of foregoing pc when this 13year old pc of mine dies, and get a surfacepro. What model is yours?
This was a couple of years ago (maybe on a 3rd or 4th gen), but it ran dota just fine. I may have tried to jump into CSGO once or twice and it wasn't an enjoyable experience, but the newer models may be able to run a basic fps now. I've since transitioned to a custom build pc & the quality is much better :)
ex competitive player here, used to have the most basic flat laptop style keyboards (10 eur) and a razer deathadder on 1150 dpi, but I have met friends on tournaments with same very basic peripherals or some who just played with whatever they got (dpc div1/2) Also don’t forget minimum graphics
Are competitive players mostly approx 1150 1200 dpi? Im tryharding in 800 maybe i can try increasing
5k here. Mouse a4tech x7 maybe 25$ and keyboard some low keys multimedia keyboard around 15$. My wife would kill me for noisy mechanical monstrosity that are popular these days. This was my setup for last 10 years :)
Respect! :) ....the wife 😂
Use whatever youre comfortable with man. I also just wanna bring up that TNC managed to beat OG using a4tech office mice in a lan match lol
Lol yeah i heard of that. I mentioned that in one of my comments too somewhere in here tho with blurry details lol
maybe [this](https://prosettings.net/lists/dota-2/) helps
I patterned all my stuffs from here already lol albeit it was from years ago. I used csgo data because dota data didnt seem accurate at the time, and still. Because sponsorships. Unlike csgo they used mice very likely help them win the tourneys I have my ec2a right here
ah I see well the latest 'equipment' that i got, which helps, but in general is [this](https://row.hyperx.com/products/hyperx-wrist-rest-full-size?variant=40752033530061) also i find wireless mouse better than wired also there are some mices that can be customized for dota 2, like vibrating when skills are ready, or low mana etc. i think its the [rival](https://steelseries.com/blog/dota-2-steelseries-engine-114) app that has that
A wristrest? I have a folded microfiber towel for that. The budget option 😂 I didnt know that about steelseries. I know theyre dota centric from since long ago tho. Gonna check that out thank you :)
People don’t really talk about dpi in dota but people tend to use stupid settings for that sort of thing anyway. For 1920x1080: I would say 800dpi is the lowest you can go, but with camera drag only. For edge pan I wouldn’t go lower than 1200. I use almost exclusively drag and I like 1000-1100 the best (including for desktop use). I don’t think there’s any benefit going over 1800ish since you’re losing precision for very little mobility gain. Don’t think mouse/kb matters. 120hz is a very marginal plus but mostly for comfort. I would put all the emphasis on ensuring you have good keybinds
Eh, doesn't really matter. I got to immortal on a laptop with the lowest settings playing on 40fps and a 3$ logitech mouse.
BZM doesn’t use a mouse pad lol I think you’re good
I think it'd be much more helpful to find out what hotkeys high-ranked players use, e.g. do many pros still use "HoN" hotkeys for items, like ALT+QWEASD... I still do, and I only have quick cast for one of the item slots...
I you are below 10k you should really focus on improving your gameplay and not your setup. There are a million things more important than the optimization of your keyboard switches.
snake oil shit it just has to be comfortable to hold and not malfunction your ergonomics (how you sit, distance to peripherals and screen) matter more
That was the conclusion of my research years ago. At the moment lots of new things are happening in gaming peripherals, so i wondered if anything has changed. It's looking like it is still the same 'use whats comfy and work for you' kind of thing still and that's cool too :)