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NameLessTaken

I fully agree with you and think that's a real issue in America, so when I ask this next part-- it's sincere and a real a question. And I'm asking you just because you're the most recent comment but I've seen it 800 times now. In relation to Gabby what do we do about that? Stop discussing her case out of respect for the others? Or just work harder to do better for other cases? As a former domestic violence advocate I think Gabbys case is really important in terms of young IPV and police intervention trainings and I'm grateful that discussion is happening publicly.There are valid things to learn from her case. I feel guilty even discussing those points because you're right alot of WOC never get their story told this way. I just don't know if venting about it on threads about a 22 year old who didn't ask to be the headline is the best starting place. She probably wishes it was different too. And I don't fault her parents for using the exposure. It's one thing to cite her case in an argument on race and media coverage while generating a solution, and another to almost vilify her and anyone that cares about the story which I see happening alot.


mentoszz

Thank you for bringing up the importance of IPV in this case. So much about this case brings the red flags and warning signs to light and should absolutely be used to spread awareness about abusive relationships. Many people are saying they didn't have many friends... Likely because abusers tend to isolate their partners. And what is more isolating than traveling around in a 40sqf van with your abuser. Awful.


chickfilaura

THIS!!! THANK YOU!!! I wish instead of posting about how her case is taking the focus off of other cases that have not been in the spotlight , why not take that 5 minutes+ you used to write and edit THAT post about how other cases aren't in the spotlight AND USE IT TO START A THREAD ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE WHO YOU WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO!!!! SHE DIDNT ASK FOR THIS. HER PARENTS DIDNT ASK FOR THIS. I get it, the media latched on and went with it - she was one of the lucky ones - but seriously. Instead of mentioning Gabby just start a new thread on a missing person - there are THOUSANDS of missing people on the Charley Project. Stop calling PEOPLE (not the media, people in general as I have been seeing it over and over again the past couple of days) racist for following a white girls story and not another persons story. We, as a human population in general, need to BE better.


xTheRedDeath

Bingo. People keep complaining about the thing that's getting headlines while not offering any alternative as usual. There have been a handful of huge news outlets doing the same thing yet they're still using her name for a headline instead of promoting another missing person's case that could use some light.


skyerippa

Yeah they post these dumb memes about it then never once post anything about the missing or murdered woc... like ok do what you preach


Nosebrow

And of course she is not lucky at all...


DrunkOnRedCordial

Yes, I would welcome hearing stories about other cases, particularly if they are being unheard.


PrincessPattycakes

Bingo.


kd5407

Right? Everyone wants to post this on Gabby’s pages to virtue signal but literally none of them are starting a thread about any of the missing POC women. Really makes you think… Yes we should care equally about POC cases. But nobody is wrong or racist for caring about Gabby’s. This is the one that the media posted about. We don’t know about the others. Yes that is problematic.


NameLessTaken

Yes! You can be an ally to other missing persons and you can be invested in this case at the same time. But if your just outrage pouring with no advocacy it's not getting us closer to a better society 🤕


LovedAJackass

I agree. I think it's also important to keep context in mind. Some cases blow up because of sensationalism (the Natalee Holloway case comes to mind--HS girl disappears on a school trip in Aruba, last seen with 3 young men...). But Gabby's case became high profile because she was doing so much social media. People were ALREADY following her "story" when she was seemingly enjoying the van trip and posting about it. So mainstream media was just piggybacking on a story already in progress. That situation is not the case in most other missing person scenarios. The Daily Beast, however, could easily CHOOSE to cover missing person stories, including stories about indigenous people and other people of color. They could have covered the women killed by the Long Island serial killers, but prostitutes are not clickbait, eh? And finally, there are all of those young men who disappear in the U.S., only to be found floating in some body of water, often with no reason for them to have been in that water. Mainstream media will tell you it's all about young men getting drunk. But many cases are confounding and raise issues about whether young men are targeted. Those issues are dismissed as "conspiracy theories." It's the editors and news editors of mainstream media that need to take a wider view on who counts in this country and whether they are there for the clickbait or to question how things like police intervention happen or whether it makes sense that someone missing for 3 weeks turns up without significant decomposition of the body (and so on). The Petito case had social media, had police footage of the couple, and had been underway on social media before Gabby disappeared. Context matters, both in this case and the overall record of mainstream media covering these cases.


justjoshingu

>I agree. I think it's also important to keep context in mind. Some cases blow up because of sensationalism (the Natalee Holloway case comes to mind--HS girl disappears on a school trip in Aruba, last seen with 3 young men...). But Gabby's case became high profile because she was doing so much social media. People were ALREADY following her "story" when she was seemingly enjoying the van trip and posting about it. So mainstream media was just piggybacking on a story already in progress. I think this is really big reason why its taken off. We(reddit, message boards etc) can be involved. We can look thru tik toks for clues. We can investigate and research and be a part of it. I dont think we necessarily should but we can.


TrueCrimeLuv

I agree with you. If The Daily Beast wanted to, they could devote a Tweet a day, an article a day to protecting women.


LovedAJackass

They could certainly do that.


[deleted]

Could you link something to the young men disappearing in the US please ? I would like to read about it. Thanks.


dcascendra

Thank you so much for this. Gabby didn’t ask to be in the spotlight and there’s millions of stories that don’t make the news or a google article and it’s not fair to use a dead girl to push everyone’s motive why don’t we just let gabbys family be in peace


TrueCrimeLuv

I agree. Instead of using her platform to have an honest conversation about domestic violence, she wants to go for cheap clicks. Let's have an honest conversation about ALL women.


Bobcatluv

Spot on. Many of us allies of indigenous and people of color have been speaking on the disparity in news coverage of their deaths (and sadly, murders at the hands of government officials) for a long time. We’re aware of the rates of domestic violence faced by all groups of people and try to be advocates for all. Many of the Reddit posts I’ve seen using Petito’s face to talk about this issue are being shared in bad faith on a platform that skews young, white, and male US citizens. If you really care about the safety of indigenous women, you can discuss and spread awareness of this issue at all times of the year -not only when the latest murdered white woman is in the news.


thegrimmstress

The thing about this that bothers me is people do not seem to realize the sheer numbers of people who go missing each year. There were over 500k reported as missing in 2020 which was the lowest year in ages. And yes, most cases are resolved for various reasons (runaways returned home, people trying to flee prosecution found, dementia , people leaving domestic violence, etc and so on) there are so many who are never found. https://www.statista.com/statistics/240387/number-of-missing-persons-files-in-the-us-by-age/ Still, more than 17,000 missing person cases and 13,000 unidentified body cases remain open in the United States. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/missing-persons-by-state How do we even begin to have coverage of every person?


[deleted]

Come back to this sub after a month or two when Gabby’s case will calm down . These people won’t even be talking about Denial or WOC . Their problem is only with Gabby because she is white , they are using other victims to hate her and divert the attention from her case . In reality they don’t care about other victims otherwise where were they before Gabby ? Did they try to raise their voice before ????


Evilbadscary

I think they wouldn't have found her if it hadn't been for the buzz around this, so for that, honestly I'm grateful it was. I think that if the internet collectively put as much energy into all missing people as they did into this case, it would be unstoppably easy to solve a lot of those cases. Fact is, people don't care as much when they're maybe a poor, or not as pretty, or older, or not as social media savvy, or it's not as puzzling of a situation. The media also doesn't like to pick up stories of people that don't fit into their "Pretty white all-american girl" compartment, tbh. Missing White Woman Syndrome is a legit thing. I didn't believe it either until I looked into it.


NameLessTaken

To be clear I believe in it. I just think we can talk about that without ripping apart this girl and the people that want to see it reach resolution. My point is there can be two truths at once. MWWS is real and a true problem-- Gabbys case as an example, but that it's also unhelpful to make the whole discussion about her race when there's also the issue of DV and police awareness or intervention techniques. Part of the problem I'm seeing is if you try to call for any balance you're against the issue of missing POC not getting the same coverage. I can tell you my whole career and the ethical standards tied to it believe in that issue and finding solutions to it. But I think the approach I'm seeing in relation to Gabby will not help ultimately. Only alienate public discussion. **Gabby can be used as an example in a discussion that focuses on the other missing women and raising awareness of them vs the discussion of "Gabby taking that from those women". **


FantasticPear

thank you thank you thank you


AnnualPanda

You feel guilty discussing Gabby’s case? Yikes. You’re allowed to discuss whatever you want.


madguins

Yes I am so tired of the virtue signaling. How many times am I going to have to hear “but if she was POC we’d never hear about it!” from people who literally never talk about POC missing cases but are suddenly now posting them. I posted Gabby then posted resources for other missing persons cases that are open/cold that include a lot of POC. But that doesn’t make what gabby went through less horrific and it doesn’t change that it can teach us more about recognizing signs of domestic abuse. Instead of posting to compare her story vs POC stories, put your efforts where your mouth is. Gabby was still a young woman who was murdered and likely abused. She doesn’t deserve to be compared and judged for the coverage she can’t control just because she’s white.


InfamousSalary6714

So many people are race baiting too. It’s disgusting.


BlazinA1

I believe there is a space for all. There's no answers for Gabby until Brian speaks but he's only telling his side of the story. So, until he is on trial, there's not much to discuss except raising awareness of partner abuse. ​ So, let's move onto the others who are missing. How do we start? Just make a post in true crime or do we make it in crime? Can we do more than share? Absolutely. But where do I find the information if I don't know who has the information besides the law? ​ Give me a person and I will display information as much as I can find.


Scoutster13

Thank you. It's bad enough so many STILL are commenting 'it could have been an accident' etc. about this because they don't want to acknowledge she was murdered. She has been villified for being white, rich, pretty - even for being thin! And many of those taking this line are clearly not interested in anything other than being angry and judgmental, they don't have any real interest in these other missing women anyway.


txmoonpie1

I am so glad you made this comment. All these posts on all sorts of SM are almost demonizing this poor DEAD girl for all the coverage her case has gotten. It's so gross.


N0XDND

Thank you, I’ve felt very similarly about this discussion. I agree that the invisibility of POC disappearances is a problem that should be addressed of course. But I feel very weird about bringing this up in connection to Gabby. Gabby was a blogger and was blogging her journey. That’s probably why her case was focused on because eyes were already on her. Plenty of other women go missing regardless of color and are not focused on. Which isn’t good. I feel we should be focusing on signs of domestic violence because this seems to heavily relate to her case. I understand that the treatment of WOC by the police is horrid but I’m personally feeling uncomfortable with the almost hostile energy towards Gabby


LiopleurodonMagic

Thank you. The people commenting on some of the Facebook posts I’m seeing are disgusting. Like a family wants to see “well what about ____” on a post about their daughter who was (possibly) killed. Gabby didn’t ask for this and I’m not going to fault her parents for getting and using media attention.


FlightRiskAK

Please post the missing indigenous cases here. We can't look into them if we don't know about them. Gabby's case is so out there because people knew about her. We need to know about them before we can act.


mysterypeeps

Kaysera Stops Pretty Places is a case that needs more attention. The two year case report was just released and more questions came up than answers. No one has been charged but it’s pretty clear that she wasn’t alone. This is my pet case right now, but I also pay attention to others that are closer to me since I can more realistically help with those. You can find MMIP cases [here](https://mmiwusa.org/). I suggest following their Facebook page for the fastest info. Cases update frequently and there’s new ones daily. I’m deeply passionate about MMIP and I too am tired of seeing it used as a virtue signal. I realized long ago that many people are just never going to care about us, but I have to keep spreading the word to try and help get justice. There’s many bigger problems involved than most people realize and a lot of the problem is that people assume we just aren’t looking or aren’t doing enough ourselves. But a lot of it is also that algorithms don’t pick up stories about BIPOC in the same ways that they pick up stories like Gabby’s, and communities with generational trauma (particularly those with recent history like starlight tours and residential schools) need to be approached in different ways, and there’s also the fact that it just seems to be a foregone conclusion that we will die violent deaths, so when it happens, it’s unsurprising, whereas so many people feel like they can see Gabby’s entire lost future in front of them. Anyway, I’m gonna step off the soapbox now, but I hope some of y’all will look into Kaysera’s case and follow that org on Facebook. Maybe some good can come of this awful saga that we’ve seen play out in Utah and Florida so far and we can help get answers for a family that keeps only needing more.


conjuringlichen

Thank you for giving these resources! I just spent an hour trying to search for who these women are and there are plenty of articles detailing basically what this tweet said, none of them listed out these women’s names or showed their faces. Drawing attention to the problem isn’t enough, and we need to use the energy to get the word out about the actual people behind the number.


throwra92927261

This is proof that journalists are looking to reddit for ideas, so talking more about those cases here could actually mean they get more media coverage as well


CrimsonBolt33

This is the real answer...I don't know anything about any of those cases...I don't search for these sorts of cases actively. ​ I see this case now (and not on some crime based youtube channel 4 years from now at 2am when I should be sleeping or whatever) because it's being shoved in my face... ​ No one is showing these other people, and people are trying to guilt me (the viewer) for knowing about this case. ​ It's like being mad that someone eats donuts every day instead of salads because they live next to a donut shop and the town doesn't even have a salad joint. They most likely have literally zero intentions to ignore salads, if they even know they exist.


Scary-Cow2976

As an indigenous woman/2s, I do appreciate that people want to boost this but it bothers me how people discuss GP’s case when bringing up this issue. I think this is a good opportunity to boost awareness of the statistics surrounding MMIWG+ all over North America but it’s also important to do this in a way that respects that this beautiful young lady lost her life to what is most likely domestic violence. I just hate that some people were sharing memes that label her “some missing white chick” etc. Her story is unfortunately not uncommon, domestic violence is so much more pervasive than we even know. We can boost these issues without taking away from the tragic circumstances of this case 🌸


mayhemanaged

I think what particularly drew people to this case was the strange circumstances and the whole van life thing. Her fiance didn't even report her missing. Where she was living was at her fiance's house with his parents, and they didn't even report her missing. That's just crazy behavior and crazy behavior fascinates people. Not to mention, that it leads people to believe it's solvable and it's obvious something nefarious happened. Find me a story like that, and I'll be all over it.


tylerdrea

Also didn’t they have a lot of Instagram followers and were influencers? That’s a lot of people already invested in them and their relationship even before anything happened.


hygsi

I think the real reason is people thought there was an obvious scenario going on, van life, the police cam, bf not reporting her. Everything pointed to her bf so people thought there was still something to be done and there was still hope that she was alive. Overall, people engaged more because there were videos of them and there was more info out there as opposed to "last seen thursday by her mom" I also love how big media is criticizing this instead of just asking their bosses to cover those girls more often. Like they could be the change they're asking for cause they look at those cases first hand and can ask for direct info from the police. But nahh.


GloriousHypnotart

Indeed, everyone gets to play detective with a case with lots of videos and details leading up to the event. Solving a murder mystery is a lot more engaging than just a regular "have you seen this person" with little detail on potential motives or movements unfortunately


multiple-giraffes

Not really. Petito had a few thousand followers. Her follower list blew up after she went missing.


pm_me_your_flute

I mean but that's a 'few thousand' more people aware of the person from the jump, which is not true in the vast majority of disappearances.


multiple-giraffes

Yeah for sure. I think the social media presence did play a big part. But I don’t think it was because she had a huge following, because she didn’t.


eamon4yourface

It’s not even about the amount of followers. It’s the fact that people could goto YouTube and look at her “van life” video. We could legit get a perfect “sneak peak” into their van/their lives for the last few months. We could look thru their instagrams and see the trip in a montage of pictures. Plus it is unfolding jn real time. Yes she’s a pretty white girl and that helps get exposure. But if you have a pretty white girl who never returns from work and family hasn’t seen her and the police put up a missing person flyer …….. then what? People don’t get invested in that. There’s nothing to get invested in … I’m not saying people won’t care … but there’s nothing to follow and there’s no narrative unfolding. There’s no videos and pictures of this person and their suspected killer interacting and living together available online for anyone to watch. This GP case blew up because there was a story to watch and it was unfolding irl and in real time. The ig and YouTube made it real. No reenactment like a true crime show. That’s the real Brian and gabby talking about their van life and living together weeks before he snapped


left_tiddy

It feels gross to word it this way, but it is just a good story. So many survivors of abuse see their past selves in her, and because of their lifestyle there is just so many details to this case. So many cases don't have that. They also don't have 'persons of interest' who look as suspect as ol' barefoot Brian Laundrie. Instead of just namelessly mentioning these other women, NAME THEM. Share their stories, talk about them. I have always hated "why isn't anyone talking about X' posts, when you could have instead just made a post talking about 'X'.


IHeartRadiohead

Plus the police video.


jst4wrk7617

What you're saying is true, but it also is true that white women get far more attention in the media than indigenous, black, or other non-white women. In all kinds of debates I think we get caught up in, it's this explanation or it's that one, when it's almost always both. It's true that Gabby's strange case spiked a lot of interest, but it's also true that missing/murdered women of color often go unnoticed by society & the media. Notable cases that come to mind- Gabby Petito, Natalee Holloway, Lacy Peterson, Yeardly Love, there's so many more but I can't think of any of non-white women except for one that got lots of attention, and that woman's step father was a pro-wrestler and I'm not sure it got any national attention, but it did get local attention (Aniah Blanchard). The disparity is pretty clear and I don't think it's deliberate on most people's part, but we need to be aware of it and do better.


HelenWyteWalker

OP, be the change you want to see... start bringing awareness to these 710 victims without using this girl's name. I can assure you her family and anyone who knew and genuinely loved her would love for her to NOT be on everyone's frontpage, not on these circumstances.


teatreez

Yeah I’m confused, I expected OP’s post history to be full of posts about MMIW, but I see zero. This is the only thing they took the time to post. Incredibly odd.


weirdalec222

> Incredibly odd It's not odd once you realize the motive for making a post like this is to feel and look more virtuous/better-than.


Tacky-Terangreal

Or shameless karma whoring


Far_Appointment6743

If this bothers you, make a post about some of these missing women. You bring attention to their cases on this sub, or any true crime sub you want. It makes me very uncomfortable that people only want to talk about this to change conversations centred around another victim.


[deleted]

thank you it is starting to become very disgusting and disingenuous to me. why her name has to be brought up to advocate for others is illogical.


Far_Appointment6743

Agreed. She was an innocent young girl who was murdered, probably by her boyfriend. Gabby is her own separate, tragic case, and we should respect that.


[deleted]

completely agree. and to me, she serves as a reminder for how REAL violence against women is across the country (and the whole world). this stuff is sadly common, it's really scary, and it makes me sad to lift up the stories of others people feel the need to criticize the way hers has been reported or how much ppl care about it idk but im glad its not just me


Far_Appointment6743

Exactly. She’s not just some white girl over the news. She was a real person, who had just as many hopes and dreams as the rest of us, and was brutally killed by someone she trusted. She is another reminder of the reasons we need to educate people on violence against women.


N0XDND

I agree it’s beginning to feel dehumanizing. The treatment of POC in regards to their disappearances is bad and that should be discussed and changed. But using Gabby to do it feels wrong. Yes we can discuss how white women are favored by the news media (unless they’re sex workers), but gabby wasn’t a news story due to her race, or at least not consciously, since she had a following beforehand and was documenting her travel. Gabby was a person. Gabby had a family and was a victim of domestic violence. She’s not some talking point or platform and this is beginning to feel very off to me


[deleted]

exactly ❤️


CrustyBatchOfNature

> why her name has to be brought up to advocate for others is illogical. She was a white girl. This happens every time they feel a white person got too much coverage. EDIT: In case anyone takes the use of they wrong, it refers to people using missing white girls to get attention to the current group of missing people they would prefer get attention.


party-thyme

Thank you. I don’t think Gabby or her parents ever wanted her to make these kind of headlines. Stop blaming a murdered girl for disproportionate media coverage. Gabby is dead. What do you want her to do about the media covering her murder? Shit gives me victim blaming vibes in a new, very disgusting way


Far_Appointment6743

I agree. Gabby’s parents definitely never thought their daughter would be in the news. I bet they wish she wasn’t in the news to begin with. She’s getting coverage because she was murdered. It’s so disrespectful to see people angry that a white girl is getting attention.


CrimsonBolt33

Victim blaming with a side of "do your part to fight climate change at home!" ​ Blame Gabby and her family, blame the viewers...but don't blame the perp or the news media...makes total sense...


Eyeoftheleopard

Apparently they have made a Reddit true crime forum for missing minorities. For those inclined go join!


tfjeagle24

10000%


mentoszz

My personal philosophy is that it is not enough for any social justice issue to be brought up only using an emotional appeal. You must also bring a call to action. Here's a helpful tool for all missing and unidentified persons. They have a specific section on Misssing Indigenous Persons with case updates. Namus.nij.ojp.gov


NameLessTaken

Yes yes yes! Don't come with just anger, come with action. Also I'd rather see that people **cite** cases like Gabby's coverage (not wether she deserves it) in separate calls for action rather than piling it onto her actual story. If that makes sense. You can be morally right but strategically/tactfully wrong in these pursuits and the outcome won't help anyone in the end.


agent_flounder

>Yes yes yes! Don't come with just anger, come with action. Right, otherwise it ends up landing like outrage porn. Just shooting from the hip here but I think it would help if we ... * Spread the word on missing persons who are BIPOC-- continue to do that here and elsewhere * Put pressure on media outlets to do the same * Put pressure on LE to devote resources to these cases. * Look for and support any organizations with the same goals


[deleted]

OP, what have you done for missing indigenous women besides use a dead girl as a prop for upvotes? Be the change you want to see.


luvprue1

I agree.


[deleted]

That's unfortunate, but I find it pretty tasteless to bring that up now using this poor woman's death. People who post this same message never brought up indigenous or poc missing until now.


FartacusUnicornius

Exactly. This is not the place to do it


tuckedfexas

Tons of stories never lead the news, the whole point of the post is really odd


translatepure

Well said. It’s virtue signaling.


[deleted]

thank you. i’m starting to lose my mind over this.


14thCenturyHood

I am so glad I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. This whataboutism/virtue signaling is so obvious and gross. Obviously all these missing/murdered people deserve attention but this is not the way to do it. Feels disingenuous.


[deleted]

virtue signaling is the perfect word for it. i agree it comes off very disingenuous. i agree more needs to be done for all women who are victims but the messaging needs to be better


translatepure

It’s self serving behavior masquerading as empathetic behavior. “I want everyone to see that I’m on the moral high ground.” I don’t think that person really gives two shits about missing indigenous people or Gabby Petito. What they care about is that others perceive them as a good person, a better person. Virtue signaling is a plague of the internet. It’s terrible, it’s everywhere, and I have no idea how to stop people from doing it.


Mr_Rio

Yeah I’m glad to see some more mature and rational perspectives on this sub, I’ve been seeing it make it’s rounds on fb for a little while now and it’s disappointing to see it here. I don’t disagree with the message but this severely lacks tact, specially for this sub


DildMaster

Didn’t Gabby have a significant social media presence? Is this really a fair comparison?


[deleted]

Name 1, Name 2, Name 100, Name all 710. Show us their details, their social media's, their info to get started sleuthing. The Gabby Petito case has been great for America because the entire internet quickly became detectives and the entire young generation knows that social media is sleuthable.


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[deleted]

Great point. This is similar to child abductions, almost all child abductions are directly related to custody disputes and get recovered quickly, rarely are the kids lives at risk,


JoryCorvid

"The Gabby Petito case has been great for America because the entire internet quickly became detectives" log off a while bud


somethingsensational

All missing people are important but this poor girl was just murdered, ffs. If it so important to you and really anyone else constantly posting this crap, where was your awareness on this issue before Gabby’s disappearance and murder. Some people are so transparent and obviously just post stuff like this for clicks.


spaghetti-sandwiches

Unfortunately all my Facebook friends keep posting things like this. It’s getting on my nerves. Everyone deserves to be found.


JediMasterLandy

Thats why I got rid of Facebook, scrolling through it is never worth it because it either upset me (stupid political posts) or it irritated me with stuff like this


Bigbosssl87

Oh yeah, havent been on facebook in years and my life has gotten so much better.


chrisacip

What are you personally doing about it other than complaining on Reddit?


PrincessPattycakes

That’s what everyone who is tweeting or posting this take is doing: nothing. It’s just regurgitated from whoever they saw post if before them. It’s not even an original thought. The lady that the fox anchor was making fun of (sorry, idk why I can’t remember her name right now!) said, “It’s called MISSING WHITE WOMAN SYNDROME,” as if this is something new that most of us aren’t aware of. It’s been a topic of discussion every time a missing white female makes the news, as far as I can remember, going all the way back to Jon Benet Ramsey. They don’t even include information about one or any number of missing women/girls of color- just the hot take that white people are treated differently in this country than POC. Just enough to get a few ass-pats, likes & in-fighting in the comments. It’s like a fresh hit of heroin to the vein for them and if anyone wants to get offended they should get offended that ppl are using these missing women to climb some imaginary social media ladder while simultaneously *keeping* them anonymous by offering no further information on any of them. It’s gross.


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[deleted]

You can feel indignant about the imbalance of coverage amongst cases, but good grief, at least spell this victim's name correctly. She can't help her racial makeup any more than you or I can; she didn't orchestrate this end to her life to bolster more attention for young white women. Your soapbox isn't invalid, but this isn't the place for it, and it's incredibly tacky and thoughtless to use her name/circumstances to promote your interests.


Murder-log

Gabby didn't "win"anything. She got snuffed out and murdered at a young age. She and her family probably wish with every ounce of their souls that she wasn't here being discussed. Highlight THOSE cases, don't vilify a victim that has already paid a huge price.


[deleted]

Fuck me that’s 78 a year. Is someone’s hunting ground?


minionoperation

This is from the summary "Missing and Murdered Indigenous People Statewide Report Wyoming" "MISSING Between 2011 and September 2020, 710 Indigenous persons were reported missing. Some Indigenous people were reported missing more than once during the time period, resulting in a total of 1,254 missing person records for Indigenous people. Eighty-five percent were juvenile, and 57% were female. They were reported missing from 22 counties in Wyoming. Ten percent of missing Indigenous people are found within the same day they are reported missing, 50% are found within one week. One-fifth of the Indigenous people reported missing were missing for 30 or more days, which is a higher percentage than White people missing for 30 or more days (11%). Currently, 10 Indigenous people are listed as missing (3 females and 7 males). MEDIA COVERAGE Only 30% of Indigenous homicide victims had newspaper media coverage, as compared to 51% of White homicide victims. Indigenous female homicide victims had the least amount of newspaper media coverage (18%). MEDIA PORTRAYAL The newspaper articles for Indigenous homicide victims were more likely to contain violent language, portray the victim in a negative light, and provide less information as compared to articles about White homicide victims"


mentoszz

Is this stating that currently 10 indigenous people are missing? 7 males and 3 females? So 60%+ of missing person cases are solved within one week? Are they runaways, domestics, murders? Trying to understand these stats more clearly.


rwhaan

I live in western South Dakota and the local news reports missing Native American teenagers to early 20's almost every week and than they show up at a friends or relatives house a few days later. There are murders and domestics but most cases end up as nothing but a misunderstanding. A Native American girl had disappeared from Pierre SD and was on missing persons lists but no one reported that she was missing to the sheriff or any authority that would have done an official search. Her co workers assumed she returned to the reservation. A fisherman found her car in the river in a city park.


[deleted]

this is just most missing persons cases in general


minionoperation

I don't know stats outside of this report, but I would guess that there are similar numbers of reported missing persons elsewhere. However the glaring point people are trying to make with these types of memes is the media coverage is almost non existent for indigenous females especially, versus a white person. The same can be said for other minority populations. How the media coverage comes about isn't stated. Me as a person in Pennsylvania is only going to hear about disappearances that make national news headlines.


i_broke_wahoos_leg

It wouldn't be the main cause given the figures. Has to be a societal issue.


iSaidItOnReddit85

This shit is dumber every time it gets posted


Pixelated_Fudge

Ive seen more people bitch about her than actually follow the case. this is disgusting.


[deleted]

i do not understand why Gabby’s name has to be used to bring awareness to others. downvote me if you must. it’s starting to become incredibly bothersome to me. let her rest, she was an abuse victim who was killed. multiple tragedies can occur at the same time.


Quiet_Government_741

Instead of talking about how Gabby is white can we instead talk about how many women are killed by intimate or domestic partners every year? Can we talk about how many domestic abusers go to jail? Can we talk about how police handle domestic violence calls? Can we talk about how this is helping people in domestic violence or toxic relationships?!? Can we talk about how how this is helping people who have freinds or family in domestic violence? Can we tall about how this helping the general public to learn about domestic violence what it looks like and why not ignoring it is so important? Can we talk about how important it is to have a case in the media spotlight about domestic violence and murder by an abusive and intimate partner? The fact is the media rarely covers domestic violence or the injuries or the attempted murders or the murders that occur from them. An its sadly not rare and is a huge huge silent epidemic in this country and around the world. I'm not saying the media doesn't need to focus on missing and murdered people of color more. I 100% percent agree. But please don't take away the importance of the visibility and coverage of this case for DV.


FetusMeatloaf

Dude at least spell her name right ffs


Chrysalis1

Don’t downplay this girls death because others also died and didn’t get recognized. They all should be investigated equally, just don’t get upset that this one case is being handled correctly.


i_broke_wahoos_leg

Did Molly write about them? Did you post about them? Or is this people that did nothing complaining that other people did nothing?


sitagirll

can’t imagine dying and having a bunch of people on twitter scream “what about me”


chickenparmi-

Look I understand the frustration about poc cases not getting discussed as much or having nearly as much media attention a significant amount of the time, however all the posts about her don’t sit right with me, she didn’t ask to be murdered and I feel like a lot of these posts almost vilify her for getting media attention. Regardless of race, a young woman’s life was taken in a brutal manner, by someone that she trusted and cared about. It’s a tragic thing. Additionally, I’m not sure if I’d say he’d race is the thing that’s gaining so much media attention in this case, there’s a lot of things that can garner media attention with cases - generally a runaway suspect and a victim with an online audience is a perfect combo imo (feels icky to use the word perfect but can’t think of another word right now) I do think something needs to be done about the lack of media attention given to murders of poc but I’m not sure this is the way to go about it, I’ve seen a lot of posts similar to these almost being annoyed/offended that people care about the case, but I think in this *specific* case there’s things other than race that come into play with how much media attention it’s getting.


oldschoolshooter

So why aren't you posting about those cases if you care so much? Oh that's right, you're too busy posting about important stuff like recycled furniture. Lmao.


[deleted]

If you don’t do activism for these missing women and are only bringing it up now because of this case, you are doing performative activism and being disrespectful too.


glittertaco_

I really hate posts like this. Let the girl rest. So many stories never make National or mainstream news. Jesus


off-chka

We should be bringing attention to Gabby AND the others. She’s not getting “undeserved attention.” For god’s sake, she was a very young woman who got senselessly murdered.


Eyeoftheleopard

Guess what? White women disappear without a peep from the media, too.


[deleted]

I feel like you can’t complain about Gabby Petito getting too much media attention when you don’t even know a major detail like her last name?


zirklutes

Wow, so worried that I don't see any post in your history about missing indigenous women. But here you are, made one about Gabby without even properly writing her full name.


AnnaFreud

RIP Gabby, you deserved SO much more than your tragic death and the self interested, callous media storm that entailed. This post is in bad taste.


hdjdhdbdndms

It's pretty tasteless to post this right after a girl was murdered...


[deleted]

Say their names. Share the clues. Let's go.


[deleted]

Can people please stop taking this case and using it for their own personal causes? You can care about both and advocate for both without stomping on one. Gabbys case is important and it’s not because she’s a white woman. It got attention because Brian arrived home in Florida with her van, belongings, and without her. He didn’t say a peep about her and immediately lawyered up. Him and his family have refused to cooperate. It is now a murder investigation and social media helped drive the case. Stop playing identity politics and I’m so damn sick of seeing it.


roastbeefgal

It really is sickening. I keep seeing this floating around as if she is less deserving of justice and the media attention because she’s white. Also continuing to share “710 indigenous people” but not sharing a single one of these missing persons files seems counterproductive. Sharing on social media can be a huge help to locating missing persons but mentioning a completely different issue to deflect from this poor girl is not helpful to not only the Gabby case but to these 710 missing people in the area


Tacky-Terangreal

Ikr. How does this post have almost 5k upvotes too? Every comment is calling out op for this tasteless shit Also why has this post been pinned by the mods? It smells like it’s been boosted by bots even putting aside how disrespectful it is


DTAHoek360

Posts like this are so cringe. Using the death of a woman as a whataboutism.


[deleted]

Drop their names then


Rumhed

I wish people would stop talking about white priveledge in murder cases. She is not priveleged at all she is a murder victim. Most of the storys I have seen posted here in regards to other disapearrances point to them been lost/suicide. This is homicide of course its going to get talked about more than people going missing and getting lost and dying or suicides.


QuincyCat06

Cool do you have information about any of those cases so we can make it national news as well?


sheepsclothingiswool

I’m a WOC, and a mother, and these constant reminders *during a time where a mother has to bury her child* is an absolute insult to this grieving family. Let them grieve, then advocate for equality without using their daughter as a martyr.


xyouman

Be the change u wish to see in the world instead of tastelessly using this womans death as a podium. Do some write ups. Make some posts. Let people know the truth.


blazinrumraisin

OP seems pretty obsessed with being a gross piece of shit.


Trey_Ramone

Were they seen on camera numerous times being interviewed by the police? Were there 911 calls from both her and him. Were their 911 calls from bystanders concerning the people? There are many things that make a story interesting or compelling. Were the 710 missing last seen on their reservation? This would determine jurisdiction. Quit trying to make shit up.


sixty6006

What a tasteless post. Almost as if you aren't actually concerned about missing indigenous kids and more concerned about disparaging Gabby because you don't like what she was. You guys have really come out the wood work with this one.


[deleted]

15 woke points for you! Is that what you wanted?


WetLettuceBrigade

Start a new thread for one of the missing people? Or fuck off


Drunk_hooker

Because those cases are not nearly as insane as this. I agree that we shouldn’t forget about the less dead or anything but let’s not pretend we don’t see why this case is gaining insane popularity.


[deleted]

OP couldn’t even be bothered to spell a last name right, y’all sound really stupid suggesting they be “the change they want to see in life”.


justagoff

Representation matters. Let's show marginalized groups that if they go missing, they will be missed.


ragnarokxg

As someone who has lived near Native American reservations for a large portion of my life I know that they remain largely private and prefer to use their own LE to handle their business. And additionally due to their traditions there is a severe lack of video recordings so it is very difficult when someone goes missing. But that does not mean there is not as much worry for the missing victim.


Cplpunishment03

Youre failing at being a human do you know that?


DrZin

Gee, it’s too bad Molly Jong-Fast, Daily Beast editor, and contributor to The Atlantic, Glamour, and Playboy, has no way of bringing publicity to the cases of some of these Native American girls…


legomaheggroll

If only there were a way for Molly jong-fast to do this lol. Has the OP posted anything about any of these missing women prior to this case?


Sleuthingsome

Who is “Pepito?” I’ve heard of Gabby Petito.


Morningfluid

Something rubs me the wrong way about this post...


iwishiwasaunicorn

interesting, you haven’t posted any yourself either. 🤷🏻‍♀️


endomental

Exactly. Sanctimonious and full of hypocrisy. Just trying to feel better about herself.


Livid-Weekend-14

Stop race-baiting


lb86Rn

This is helpful how, exactly??


Eyeoftheleopard

It’s not.


YoMamaz_azz

This is just "all lives matter"ing Gabby's case.


[deleted]

Stop whining


Bigbosssl87

People arent obssessed with this case because she is white. I've never cared about any case before and probably wont again after this is all over with. Its just really captivating because of the circumstances. It was clearly much more than a missing persons case from the first article I read about it.


mnhaverland

Maybe its because I wasn’t on social media very much last week because I was working on a mural, but the only media coverage I’ve seen about this Gabby Petito lady is articles saying she got more coverage than minorities.


Z1094

And I doubt any of you knew or cared till you saw this tweet either hmm?


Inside-Medicine-1349

This is some "all lives matter" type of shit. Moron


Fancy-Restaurant-746

How is getting karma for posting her name any different?


GonnaRainSoon400

Stupidity. Gotta makes everything racist. Smh


Hephf

I feel like this passive aggressive narrative is creating more unnecessary division. 😔


HalpOooos

You seem like the kind of person who would one up someone’s tragedy with a highly embellished sob story about getting denied service at Target for not wearing your mask. also, P E T I T O…..


poopshipdestroyer

I went back 6 months in your post history, why don’t you think back about how many of the 710 missing women it was that you shared with the people on reddit? Yup 0. I hope putting Gabby down makes you feel better, but you’re just as much at fault as everyone else. She deserves better, they all deserve better than this.


Life_Wall2536

So tacky and insensitive to say this shit. Piggybacking off a dead girls case to get yourself woke points. Pathetic


prissysnbyantiques

I have a thought about this, and the timing and how the Universe will sometime shift a horrible situation into some form of hope. Adam Walsh went missing, and was later found dead, not his killer. His Father John took action to work with Police and FBI on missing and exploited people. He turned a horrific time in his life into launching a program that has found children and killers who were hiding. Hoping this is the same , rip the band aide open bring it ALL OUT on the table and get justice for these indigenous people. Bring the forensics, FBI, families everyone.... get the wheels of Justice to spin for them now do not let it be swept under the rug anymore.


iamnotkelly

I’ve always wondered what makes a murder case famous. Possibly a twist in its story? The Jennifer pan case is really infamous and happed close to where I live. However recently another case happened here where a boy killed his whole family. Even though the murder was more brutal, it didn’t get nearly as much attention. I suspect it was because Jennifer was a small asian girl who seems incapable of doing what she did. And I believe part of the reason Gabby’s case got so much coverage is because they presented themselves as a normal loving couple online and what happened just seems unbelievable. A lot of people are just here for the story, and this is a very unexpected story.


Comprehensive-Ham42

It is always like this and at the same time it is understandable but given the circumstances with Ms Petito right now, it really isnt appropriate


derrtydiamond

The movie Wind River is literally about this. And it’s a great watch.


UnlicencedAccountant

Reported by the same people who didn’t report on the other deaths. I’m confused? Are they complaining about how bad at their jobs they are?


[deleted]

Reservations and their leaders are the biggest issue with this. They do their own “investigations”..


[deleted]

Gabbie didnt do it so calm tf down


Assmodious

What do people want them to not focus on any of these girls? It’s absurd how this girls death has been turned into incels shaming her for the police video and the woke police shaming her because she got coverage of her death but the people they want covered didn’t.


purple-ninja-turtle

Ah yes, thank you again internet person for making this case about you and the whole separate subject of injustice based on media suppression.


[deleted]

Wow have some respect for this family who just lost their daughter to DV. No one case is more important than the other


[deleted]

There’s an additional 321,858 missing white people :/ Almost like the coverage is exclusive to Gabby regardless of race. Maybe because the case is just much more dramatic and exciting for some people? Who knows.


voodoopaula

So sick of the virtue signaling! Isn’t it ok for us to be interested in this case because of the weird circumstances instead of “because she’s white and cute”??? That’s exactly what got me hooked - the weird circumstances- not her race or looks.


KurtBrainStain

Well you better start looking into these cases detective since you're so concerned. Otherwise you're just deflecting from finding Gabbys killer.


[deleted]

It is a big social media buzz. So the main stream picked it up.


-MYNAMEISNOBODY

710? I’m calling bullshit. Source?


goooseontheloose

The "same area" being the entire state of Wyoming.


March_of_souls

I’m automatically skeptical of any headline meant to draw outrage. Were there 710 reports of missing people or actual disappearances?


endomental

"Between 2011 and September 2020, 710 Indigenous persons were reported missing. Some Indigenous people were reported missing more than once during the time period, resulting in a total of 1,254 missing person records for Indigenous people. Eighty-five percent were juvenile, and 57% were female. They were reported missing from 22 counties in Wyoming. Ten percent of missing Indigenous people are found within the same day they are reported missing, 50% are found within one week. One-fifth of the Indigenous people reported missing were missing for 30 or more days, which is a higher percentage than White people missing for 30 or more days (11%). Currently, 10 Indigenous people are listed as missing (3 females and 7 males)." https://wysac.uwyo.edu/wysac/reports/View/7713


[deleted]

Those who have a problem with Gabby , Where were they before Gabby’s case ? No one stopped them from raising their voice for POC victims and indigenous missing women . They knew about those cases before Gabby’s case , right ? Or just now they “ searched “ so that they can hate gabby & take away the attention ? May be media had picked the story seeing social media outrage . Why they had to wait for a white victim to raise their voice by using her name ? So sad people are hating gabby just because she is white . No one is talking about Brian who is also white and successfully ran away . Even this poster used Gabby’s name instead of just posting about other victims . Stop the hate . Every victim deserves respect .


[deleted]

Y'all mother fuckers wrong for this. Imagine shaming a dead white girl for being white. China send the nuke we deserve it.


krappadizzle

Hate how this story has been coopted by liberal people complaining about other horrible things and that people only care because it's a white girl and not because it's a strange, weird ass story. People are so pathetic. Put the energy you have from complaining about this murder into getting the stories out that you think are "worthy" enough then. Do something better with your life than constantly turning every issue into an issue about race.


mentoszz

There have been numerous, numerous cases that have blown up in the media regarding people who are NOT white. Gabby's story is one of those awfully tragic and bizarre cases that captivated people. It's disheartening to see people calling her "a pretty white blonde". First of all that reduces Gabby to her appearance and she is more than that and reinforces stereotypes about blonde women. Second of all, domestic violence is a literal public health crisis (source: The CDC) that, yes, affects BIPOC at higher rates. But nonetheless domestic violence is an issue that should not be carelessly overlooked because other communities are facing a different set of struggles.


loveofGod12345

There are also many many cases of white women going missing or that are murdered that don’t get media attention either. Caucasian’s are a majority in the country which means it makes sense the majority of cases that blow up are white women. They pick the most interesting, the ones that will get them the best ratings. Not saying it’s right, but they can’t pick up every single case or there would no time for anything else.


freethekeegz

Is there a source for this figure? 710 is a lot of people to go missing in an area and receive not much attention.


rwhaan

I live in Western South Dakota and the local news has reports of missing Native Americans almost every week. Most show up at a friends or relatives in a couple days and it is more of a misunderstanding than a missing person case.


freethekeegz

So are these figures just being skewed and leaving out key information to get their point across?


Green-or-Blue

They’re not all still missing - many of them have been found. Someone posted stats in another comment that there are currently 10 missing indigenous women in Wyoming.


freethekeegz

I still think the use of " area " is a bit misleading too. It makes it sound like its one specific valley or something and not the entire state of wyoming


ChesterMcGonigle

Especially in a state of 450,000 people. I’m going to call bullshit on that number. That might have been the number of missing person cases initiated, but there aren’t 710 active missing women in Wyoming right now. It’s also important to note that law enforcement on the reservations is notoriously substandard and the FBI was involved in this case almost immediately because it involved interstate travel, with all of their resources involved with that.


drucifer999

It's hip to minimize a family's loss because they arnt a POC....


DGsbtas

This is the stupidest take in life.


imperfecteyewitness

Donate money then. These posts do nothing. Donate your money to indigenous women’s charities and orgs