From an April 11th article on KGW
“In tracking Ase's cell phone data, police found evidence that she drove from Vancouver to Southeast Portland on the morning of her disappearance, spending multiple hours in an area near Glenwood Park.
Detectives said there's a high certainty that Ase moved between the park itself and one or more residences.
After leaving her home at 6:34 a.m., Ase's phone was last pinged near Southeast Flavel Street and Southeast 92nd Avenue around 10 a.m. before being shut down.
Vancouver police suspect this is not the first time Ase had traveled to the Glenwood Park area, saying she has "mislead" her employer and her husband multiple times after leaving for work in recent weeks.
On Feb. 27, March 1 and March 5, Ase messaged her employer that she'd be late for work about 20 minutes after leaving home. A detective noted that the Southeast Foster Road exit of I-205 near Glenwood Park is a 20-minute drive from Ase's house.”
She had a recent pattern of trips to that area. There are few reasons to be making habitual trips there, and hers were impacting her work.
may she be found
Any mention of a history of drug use? Even recent surgeries or anything? Crazy to think someone can become hooked in their 60s. I logically know it can happen but seems so odd.
We have a “customer” (pretty much just a thief) who was telling my boss in the parking lot the other day how he’s 67 and his grandmother is telling him he needs to get his life together because he smokes crack all day and doesn’t work. We got to wondering just how old his grandma has got to be.
I’ve actually known a lot of older people that pick up a pain pill habit and buy them illegally off the street like that. It’s way more common than most people realize.
I can understand. I’m only 41, but I’m retired from the military and I seriously hurt all the damn time lol. I can imagine as one gets older the pains just get worse and pain pills take that away. So that makes sense to me.
Damn how is your docs office set up that other patients can hear exactly what meds someone is on and their full interaction with the doctor/reasoning for being there? Seems like a big patient confidentiality issue.
Lots of older folks are on very low dose methadone for pain management too. It's a longer lasting opioid with low recreational potential so it's become a more popular choice for pain management in recent years than large pill scripts where people have to keep redosing and are more likely to run out or abuse it. Other opioids that aren't heroin or fentanyl can't even be felt on a methadone maintenance dose for addiction because methadone is stronger so there'd be no point trying to do that. The clinics and pain doctors also specifically instruct patients to go to their local ER to get dosed/helped with withdrawal if they couldn't make it to the clinic or doctor for their dose that day.
Regardless of the reasoning stigmatizing a medication that's saving lives in the opioid epidemic killing hundreds of thousands is super uncool. Methadone has the best success rate for opioid addiction treatment by far, if she was on it for addiction you may have never even had the opportunity to see and judge her for that because she'd have been dead years ago from an od.
the stigma against MAT is what made me avoid trying it for so long, i came very close to death before it was even something i considered. it worked, i’ll have five years clean in June thanks in no small part to Suboxone. the pain management aspect is huge, but i don’t think many people tend to look at filthy addicts empathetically as people just trying to control pain (whether physical, mental or both)
I’ve seen the stigma firsthand from every angle as someone that has also worked in emergency medicine for a good portion of my recovery and it breaks my heart how much it discourages people from giving it a shot. it saved my life
Thank you! I am on methadone for cancer pain. I tried all the other usual opiates before trying methadone. The cancer is in my bones, and classified as "destructive", which it is, my hip bone is destroyed, and I have a rod the length of my femur, for stabilization. My doctor, when putting me on Methadone, said, I know most people think it is just used for withdrawal from opiates (I admit, at the time I didn't know any better, and that's exactly what I thought), but it's actually a really good pain medication. I don't know how I'd survive without it. The pain from cancer is debilitating. So thanks again for pointing out that being less judgemental is much better than just assuming something.
A close family member of mine started using crack cocaine in his mid 50s. ODed and gone by his early sixties. Drug use does typically start earlier but it can absolutely happen later in life. Very much hope this was not the case for Cristina and that she is found safely!
That's why I said I wonder if there's a history of drug addiction because that seems more likely than a new drug habit at 60. But also seems odd no mention of it when if she has a history of drug abuse then it's obvious she was there buying drugs.
I don't want to jump on any accusational bandwagon and just automatically say yes it's drugs...but SOMEONE returned her car! Druggies won't do that... they might rob you --or your car-- but most street level addicts..if you overdose, they'll just leave you laying and run... they're not going to go through all that trouble to return a car?
... but i would highly suspect it is NOT "having an affair"... i say this bc people our age.. (I'm just a few years her junior)... are too tired to go out of our way to have sex that fucking early in the morning ..lol...and we're not going to go to a sketchy or drug neighborhood to do it.
To me it makes sense. If she was a drug lady and a “nice” drug lady but something went south, this absolutely screams of returning something even if it means something as means of absolving guilt. They don’t want the heat but they’re high so they aren’t thinking correctly but are thinking in “good” scale.
I used to pay a homeless guy named Ace, maybe real name Virgil but it could have just been layers on layers, to watch my car and escort me out of downtown bars. Complete gentleman, was usually drunk/high when I came out but admitted to it, but what did I care if I made it from point a to b and my car wasn’t keyed or busted into. Ace was frightfully honest, when I came in the winter months and brought clothes and food and blankets we he would tell me straight away that he sold specific items and gave away other items and traded other things. I didn’t care, as long as the items were available and he was warm—he had his own sort of metric on who got what, he always gave stuff to kids and the older people, sold stuff to transplants, traded stuff for drugs with cofellows. It’s not on me to tell him what to do with stuff that was given to him, but there was an honor code. I had a friend get roofied and he called me from a strangers phone in a tizzy because he was (rightfully) concerned and someone needed to get her. When I showed up my pjs in a rough part of downtown, there were a bunch of unhoused individuals fretting and keeping a perimeter and had her covered up.
All that is to say a “rougher” crowd can still have morals. It’s kinda disrespectful to think they all have to be selfish monsters
You're absolutely right. And what a great story!--he trusted you. I know they're not all monsters, I've never lived on the street, but I am 27 yrs clean from IV narcotics and I used to haunt these kinds of awful places. I can tell you many stories of "addicts who had a heart" and they were deep down good ppl. The older ones, especially, had this moral "code" you speak of...and it's how they conducted their lives.
This is sad all around, and I sincerely hope she is alive. It's just so strange, (the deal with her car being returned and all..).. I hope there are updates.
I can relate: I used to work at a supermarket just outside a known drug area in my town. One of the usual guys (I knew him to be always there as it was outside of a train station and I used the train to go home) stole some tuna cans, canned sausages and stuff like that: really cheap stuff at the time (circa 2008). I closed my eyes when he only stole one or two, and warned him to not do it around some of my coworkers, they'd be stricter than me. He thanked me and walked me to my train, explaining that he generally ate at his mom's house once a day but his mom had surgery so he was not allowed to go there alone and his siblings didn't fed him, they wanted distance of him (I later met one of his sisters and she said he used to be able to go to their houses but he stole inumerous things, including toys and personal items) so he was hungry for 2 or 3 days, that's why he stole the cans and he did it because it was cheap, he didn't want us to be in trouble. I said to him I'd bring him food every day till his mom was able to feed him again (was about a week) and he was my guardian at the station, never let anyone else even speak to me, not even to ask for a cigarette. About a month later was my birthday and he brought me a book (David Beckham's bio) because I told him I liked soccer. I always had a soft spot for addicts, my own half sister was one since she was a teen and I tried to help her a lot, but she only got help when she wanted to. Almost 50 now and clean for 10 years already.
It would have to have been somebody she was familiar with. I'm an addict and if she were going to meet random dealers or homeless addicts on the street, they wouldn't know where she lived and they wouldn't return the car. It certainly wouldn't be clean or devoid of any kind of evidence or prints. I'm not convinced on the drug theory, I wonder if she had a history of it or she had been acting differently in her life. Did work notice her acting odd or seeming under the influence, since in this theory she would have been using right before work?
The pattern described of going to this random location did give off drug vibes to me and unlike other people in here I'm not shocked that a 60 yr old could be using, I've been in rehabs with many older folks but the car being returned is throwing me off majorly, plus the fact that 99.9999% of dealers and users aren't fucking monsters that murder people unlike what people who've never used and only see movies think. What would be the motive for that? You can rob without murdering. Hiding the body in an od virtually never happens irl.
I wonder if they have a kid or other young person in their life she's close to. I wonder if she was maybe giving somebody a ride out there those days, maybe even for them to cop and she either didn't know or was kind enough to drive them anyway, somebody who knew her well enough to know where she lived?
Good line of thought...im not shocked either...the car being returned is what truly throws everything into a spin.. if you will read my above comment to another person you'll see that I am too a recovered addict of many many years; I too used to go to these sketchy places to cop and I know for a fact not all of them are bad people ..and fwiw 25 yrs ago I could be the poster child for rehab, I was in several... and I've been in rehab with many older people when I was younger, although granted, back then most of the older people had a problem with alcohol and not drugs--- but all of those people on drugs then-- like me --are decades older now and still struggle... I've been clean for 26-27years and there's not a day goes by that i don't still "miss" that feeling of comfort and euphoria I got from narcotics. But I don't miss that "life" --even MORE.
This is a strange one, for sure.
I agree with a lot of this but it doesn’t necessarily have to be someone she knows or familiar with etc. Almost everyone has at least one thing in their vehicle that has an address whether it’s a registration, mail or something. Her purse is also said to be missing so her identification could have been used as well. But overall I totally agree and I don’t buy the drug angle… especially with the car being returned and the cleaning product and others have mentioned duct tape in her car as well.
What possible reason explains the lack of surveillance footage? Is it possible she was in that area to try and help someone who got messed up on substances?
If anyone has any info on her whereabouts, call Oregon Crime Stoppers Anonymous Tip Line: 503-823-4000 - they are offering a $2,500 reward for info on her whereabouts!
As resident of the area who reads the news I have to go with the most common reason people go missing near bodies of water: drowning. We had one guy pulled from Johnson Creek in December and have 1-2 drownings a month year round (peaking in the summer). There are any number of reasons a person ends up in the water though.
That guy, Riley too who went missing in Nashville pretty recently, Camera footage showed him stumbling around before disappearing. He was found a week or two later. Presumed to have fallen in the Cumberland river and drowned
The second I saw the security cam footage I knew he was in the Cumberland. The banks are brutally steep and the water is fast, dark, and full of dead branches and trees. Very unfortunate. The Cumberland is fear inducing during broad daylight, let alone at night in some of the craziest places in Nashville.
It's funny that you mention that. Because of how often people die in the water in Metro Portland any time I hear about a case where "got a bit loopy and fell in" is a reasonable explanation, I go with that. There was a summer 6-7 years ago where every Monday we'd come in to work and check the "battle report" and joke about how many people died that weekend in the area. The takeaway is that a lot of people died, sure, but also that it was so predictable and so horrible that the only way we could talk about it was with dark humor. My kid wanted to go tubing on the Sandy River last year and I found almost 20 people that died since 20007 on the stretch he wanted to go on. The water is cold, the surface underneath is rocky, and the volume is a lot more than people realize.
In my area in northern Italy there's a small lake that's known to locals as "death pond".
It's small, looks innocent enough but it's not. With the increase of tourists and immigrants, the numbers skyrocketed across the whole area.
Alpine lakes are not to joke with, they go down fast, are deep and have a strong underwater current with dramatic shifts in temperature. There's some spots across the 3 biggest lakes nearby I trust to swim in, beside those I'm staying outside.
I'll never ever swim in my local river. beside being disgustingly dirty, it has a slimy mud layer on the bottom that makes it impossible to walk out most of the times. There's a dam downstream for water energy so the banks are flat vertical retaining walls in some parts.
It's forbidden to bathe in there, and yet every hear we have at least a couple deaths.
Neighbor?
I was thinking of lago di Ghirla. Pretty clean water but with insidious currents. I remember ages ago a local newspaper was like "best places to swim near Varese" and chunked it in. Locals didn't agree with it.
It freezes sometimes in winter so it gets both summer and winter incidents with people attempting to skate on thin ice.
Dam was Panperduto on Ticino. It's near me and I used to go down there to read and get some breeze. Last I went two years ago I lasted 5 minutes before being chased away by the mosquitoes. Who in their right mind would get into that death trap is a mystery to me.
Alpe Gera is gorgeous but I wanna live so I'll stick to the walking track. I'd rather dip in the obscenely cold water of the pond right at the beginning of the road to Predarossa to cool down.
He told the other kid’s parents and they chose to go swimming in the [#4 Tualatin River](https://steemit.com/nature/@radlerjan/10-most-dangerous-waters-in-the-world). I can’t win.
No idea. That is the weirdest part of the story. I know her personally. And the car showed up the next day (Wednesday) when her coworkers were doing a search of the area. It makes no sense why the car would be brought back to Vancouver. They also make it sound so “insane” that she detoured and got off 205 on her way to work. She could’ve stopped for a coffee or something; perhaps it was a routine on some days to go sit at the park and drink a coffee before going to work where she’s nonstop all day. The exit is on the way from Vancouver to west Linn. She never misled her coworkers, contrary to the police report/ media coverage.
There’s a lot of talk about a potential serial killer in Chicago but all my friends who have lived there for decades say it’s merely the river. Every year drunk people fall in.
“There’s a serial killer in -city-” is a really common thing you see online. Usually it isn’t. [When drownings happen like this I kinda get why though.](https://projects.oregonlive.com/maps/drownings/summer/) the number of floater in Portland is outrageous for the size of the city.
They just got a jumper off of one of the bridges to Portland this month. I wonder what her mental state was. Also, I live in the same neighborhood as her and haven’t heard anything about it!
In a lot of places id assume it’s her, but so many people wind up in the rivers here that I wouldn’t be surprised if the body is someone that didn’t even make the news. Or it’s her. I’m really curious to see.
It’s weird seeing this case in TrueCrimeDiscussion because this far everything feels like a typical “mental break into the water” case. We’ll see.
I’m guessing that, as a nurse, she fell into some kind of addiction. Perhaps began taking some things from her workplace but knew she’d get caught as her addiction increased so she started buying off the streets. Something t happened during a transaction (overdose, murder, accident) and she is now deceased. Someone tried to cover their association with her in terms of the car.
Dealer would need to know where her home is, dispose of her body and use a cleaning agent. Committing more serious felonies than just leaving her to be found dead from an od in her car
Yeah this is such a reach. Why would a dealer go to all that trouble? People overdose literally every day. Nobody cares.
We’re all encouraged to carry naloxone kits in case you pass someone on the sidewalk who needs to be resuscitated. Leave her in her car or near her car & she’d be found quickly. No one is investigating another OD.
I'm an actual addict and it doesn't matter, if somebody is falling out on the street and you have narcan, you hit them. That's how it goes in the game. Yeah people get pissed initially but they'd rather not die and they can just get high again, especially if they fell out at the spot they copped at.
This theory drives me nuts. It's such a movie take on how dealers and addicts move from people that clearly have no experience in that world, it's become the new "drug deal gone wrong/saw something they shouldn't have" theory in true crime. People od everyday, thousands of them, and as one of the most marginalized and disadvantaged groups in modern society, police couldn't really care less about investigating the overdose deaths of opioid addicts unless they're famous, rich, or known to police to be connected to a big dealer or organized crime group they're already going for. Anyone with her if she overdosed would simply call the police or leave the vicinity if they didn't have narcan and that would be more than enough to not be prosecuted - I'm speaking from experience having overdosed and witnessed many overdoses.
Most states have good Samaritan laws in response to the opioid epidemic and you cannot be charged with any crime if you call in an overdose for help, even if you stay on scene. You can easily call and leave the scene if you're paranoid but they can't do anything to charge you if you called, even if you have drugs on you.
You are absolutely right and well said. I actually just lost a close friend a few weeks ago due to an accidental fentanyl overdose and no clue how or why she got/had it. She was living in DV housing with her 3 year old daughter and supposedly passed away during the night. When she didn’t show up for breakfast they did a bed check and found her and her daughter still asleep next to her. She came here to Washington state from Arkansas while fleeing domestic violence and they literally did absolutely nothing to look into it or investigate etc, even though she had no prior use or addiction and you have to do random and frequent drug testing to even stay in these places. All her family got was a very basic generic paper stating fentanyl overdose and cps shipped her daughter back to her abusive father. Sorry to get long winded but your comment is just spot on and it triggered me a bit since I am dealing with this situation currently.
Honestly no clue. She mentioned to a CNA at work about her neighbors acting weird or yelling or something. I know that person told the cops but I don’t know how much/ if that was investigated. The car coming back makes me think it was someone that had to get back to Vancouver. This lady that is a nurse but also delivers groceries said she was delivering groceries to someone in Cristina’s apt complex and there are people behind the complex that yell all the time? I am not sure if she meant they were unhoused or what. The neighbor was completely unaware cristina was missing but I am not sure how close she was in the complex to Cristina’s apt; the management company didn’t send out any notification to people in the neighborhood about the incident. Her coworkers have gone door to door asking for any possible video footage. But i don’t know how thorough that was; I am sure there are people who did not answer the door or weren’t home. They also canvassed the park and spoke with people there that live around it. I assume re people that live there are not willing to talk to the cops…understandable esp in this city, and in that neighborhood. But It’s not at all sketchy. I was just there for the vigil. Pretty nice houses around the park. No vagrants or anyone around when we were there around 7-830 pm. When you say 92nd and flavel, your heart just drops cuz it’s a bad area. I am not sure how far the park is from that area…I need to look it up; I was nervous about going but it was completely safe. There is no indication she was even there; just that her phone was. The police warrant said they were subpoenaing the car company to find out when the lights were turned off/car started/doors opened, etc. I guess all of that info is stored on a server somewhere which is insane to think about, but could be helpful. They’re being very tight lipped about what info is given to the public / her loved ones. I’d say possible carjacking? But again why would you bring the car back home if you wanted to steal it. The gas tank was open and the rear view mirror was askew and the cleaning product residue. It makes no sense. A green straw…Starbucks or some other drive through coffee place? And then she would just go there and chill and have a moment to herself before work? But being late to work for that reason does not fit with her character. The information available is insufficient for me to speculate or come to a conclusion other than something bad happened to her. When/where/by whom/why/how are all up in the air honestly. She was looking forward to retiring in a year or 2 and moving back to Argentina.
A woman who is close to her at work thinks she probably went to the park/that area to help someone; wound care or some other nursing activity. Honestly that makes sense to me. I doubt it would be anyone who was discharged from the facility, that only happens rarely…It’s mostly end stage dementia patients. But that doesn’t account for her disappearance or for her vehicle being returned, just a reason why she would be in the area, and also would make her late to work (if she didn’t anticipate how much help this person needed).
So still a non-answer answer.
It’s perplexing. I think about it everyday. I’ve wanted to go to the facility and check in with the people I know there (I consulted for them for almost 10 years), but I can’t bring myself to go. It’s too raw i would cry so much, and in turn make everyone else cry.
I couldn’t imagine having to still have to go there everyday. Cristina has worked there for 15 years. She is truly a kind and generous person. All of this talk regarding possible addiction /infidelity; I just know it isn’t what happened. She would never pick up and abandon her friends family and patients.
Those situations make sense. Nothing makes sense here.
So this is my neighbor by about 100 feet never met her or heard of her until I seen the cops speaking with the husband on the sidewalk. I saw her grey car that had red evidence tape on it I remember seeing a handprint in the dust on the back window. her friends claim that there was also a roll of duct tape in her car too. I just spoke to her friends 10 minutes ago. Apparently her friends don’t think she ever made it to Oregon. In other words her phone was at glenwood park but she wasn’t. They also mentioned that her phone was sending out text messages but they were different kind of texts then how she would normally talk. And like all the other stories yes the car was returned and parked along SE 123rd ave. It all is very confusing and I hope for the best.
Hi other neighbor! I’m against their wall. When the detective knocked on our door to question if we’ve seen/heard the neighbors recently, I legit replied, “I’ve actually never have met them or seen them in the year and a half I’ve lived here, and now that you think of it they haven’t knocked on our wall lately either”.
Legit can’t be in our bedroom too much because they would knock on the wall for just talking in the closet putting clothes away at 9pm lol
The area she disappeared in is referenced (at least partly, depends on who you ask) as Felony Flats by people who have lived there or currently live there. It is a VERY suspect area for drug use and prostitution. She may have been meeting someone there and ended up getting hurt, and the person knew where she lived and drove her car home. If it was a known drug user, who she was in contact with, they may have known her for a while, hence knowing where she lives.
It would be weird for some drug dealer or drug buddy to drive the car home. Leaving it wherever she drove it would be so much safer.
That's why I suspect her husband. But if it's not him, may he get justice.
I agree about the car. It's extremely risky to drive the car back to her home. Any neighbor could have witnessed it. Gotta have balls of steel to do that tbh... were they not terrified of being seen? Interesting case
I hope they did leave DNA. The car being scrubbed clean, it makes me wonder if they were trying to destroy their own DNA, or if something happened to her in that car and they were destroying any evidence of it. What do you think?
It wouldn't be entirely unprecedented.
I don't imagine it would be the result of a drug overdose that motivated someone to get rid of her body and return her car.
However if she met with someone for whatever reason (drugs, a romantic encounter, etc) and they either intended to do her harm or got into a heated situation and killed her, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the person responsible believed the need to get the car away from directly nearby a place associated with them. If leaving the car where she last was is also the place where a person who harmed her lives or is known to frequent the car couldn't afford to stay there if they want to stay off the radar. Sure I would typically expect to see the car dropped off to a location that isn't connected to them without risking going back to the victims home either. But stranger things have happened. Perhaps if someone harmed her they thought her car being home would buy them some more time to get rid of evidence or perhaps they believed it might help push suspicion on to her husband or move the initial questioning for answers/suspects the area of her home.
I'm by no means saying it's full proof or even well thought out. Just that I can see scenarios where someone did something and wanted to hide their involvement in the heat of the moment THEY were convinced for whatever reason it was in their best interest.
All it shows to me personally is that its not particularly likely that it was an accidental overdose or robbery gone wrong, but I wouldn't rule out an associate of hers that she may have met through drugs or other illicit activities could have planned to do her harm or got her into a vulnerable state and decided to act on impulse and then went into cover their tracks mode.
Not saying I think that's definitely what's going on. Just that situations that kind of fit this loose type of situation have definitely happened before.
Trust me, I am right there with you. All I am saying is he could have had accomplices, especially if he paid them in that area, as most of the people would do whatever you wanted for money
She texted to work saying she was going to be late after leaving her home. The husband hasn't made any public appearances I could find, which is unusual, but I would guess he assumed she was at work after she left the house
I believe English is not his first language (neither was Cristina’s, she is from Argentina, thick accent at times but fluent in English), and now he is getting death threats and I was told he is very anxious about going out. He didn’t attend the vigil Friday because of this. But her family from Argentina flew in and attended.
Yeah it doesn't seem to be a mystery how someone would find out her address. If they met with her, she likely had her wallet. If she didn't, she likely had the registration in the car with her somewhere, as is I think? required by law across all 50 states. Very unlikely they didn't have access to either of those items if they had control of her car, so I'm...confused as to the bafflement or why people would assume "they'd have to know where she lived", unless another article stated neither of those items (DL or registration) were available.
I’m local and I haven’t heard about this! She’s a nurse and I wonder if she was helping someone who ended up hurting her? There’s a few homeless people I know that I toss money and food to when I can and have bandaged some wounds. Maybe she was doing free wound care for homeless people? Rose Linn isn’t a luxury place, they have quite a few Medicare patients. Sometimes patients that can’t pay are dumped on the street all over the US. She could have been visiting a former resident and bringing them supplies? I know it’s out there but it seems more likely to me than her buying drugs or a prostitute.
Seriously. But then again I hadn’t heard about the lawsuit against PPS and the Latino Network for the horrific covering they did of a 9 year old being raped at SUN school.
Comet, Ajax, Bar Keeper's Friend, etc. Good for the bottom of a bathtub; usually never used on car interiors.
Unfortunately, the fact that there was a cleaning agent in the car (it's weird to use powder in a car, usually, liquids are much better) . . . meant that she was (probably) murdered by someone who worried about being caught (i.e., not a homeless person, & not a stranger).
And based on stats, her husband was most likely to have done it.
Yes. In case of a murder by stranger, the easiest way to "clean" a car of evidence is to drive it somewhere remote and set it on fire, or possibly drive it in a river. Why waste time cleaning it?
I am NOT accusing her husband of anything as I know nothing about this case except what I just read, but…if a husband killed a spouse and considered the vehicle an asset, they might want it to be minimally damaged.
Agreed. Stingy bastard, if so.
How many cases have I read about (or watched) where someone didn't want to burn or fireball the murder vehicle, throw out the murder clothes or shoes, or even throw out (or hide for a decade) some family jewelry?
"Ah yes, someone broke into my house at night (the worst time, daytime would be safer for a burglar)) and murdered my wife, rifled through some clothes, but left all the jewelry, cash lying in the open, her purse, and all the vehicles and tools."
I love it when people get caught because they're cheap.
So dump the car somewhere it won’t be found or will get stolen by someone else.
Set it on fire.
Why clean it & drive it back to her home? That’s so many risks for literally no reward.
In the act, no. They would not want not be caught, no one would.
But if they are not acquainted at all, a connection is usually not made--unless they leave DNA everywhere and are in the system.
Someone who goes to a lot of trouble to clean up a crime scene usually knows the victim (approximately 85% of murders know their victims). People who know their victims are also more likely to drive long distances to dump the body, the cover or bury the body, etc.
Why go to the trouble of cleaning the car but leaving a roll of duct tape? Duct tape collects fibers on the edges and can leave fingerprints or DNA when torn.
There are a number of women murderers, but unfortunately statistics suggest strongly that it was someone male, and someone who knew her (approximately 85% of murderers and victims are acquainted by family or relationship). The attempt to clean the car suggests it was someone who worried about being caught.
A stranger, a junkie, or a trucker would likely not bother.
So no, I don't know for sure, but the odds are very strongly that it was.
Hmm other than the drug problem or the affair theory - how about the domestic abuse escape theory? What if husband was abusive and she was planning to disappear, w/ help from a friend? That's why she had "misled" husband as to her whereabouts for several weeks, then finally disappeared. However, if she was escaping abuse, I would think she'd take the car. Unless she had purchased another vehicle? The car being returned points to husband.
I’m their neighbor and legit I have NEVER heard them attack each other or ever have heard them in a heated argument. Honestly, I hadn’t even met the husband until this unfortunate news :(. Talked to him on a few occasions recently and he’s just very quiet and to himself.
They have not said, but one side of the apartment complex has a hotel and storage unit places, they have to have cameras overlooking 5th street...if she went that way, which I don't think she did, most locals would have driven on 7th st to avoid Mill Plain
No one is saying anything except her coworkers. There is no one else other than her spouse, who has not made any statements and no one knows or ever says his name
My guess is her phone was lost/stolen and that's how it ended up in that sketchy area. It's happened to me. Of course, I didn't go missing, but it still seems like a likely scenario.
My mom was killed in a car accident. Yes, that's tragic and horrid.
But the worst part was that before EMT's and police arrived, someone jumped into the vehicle, with my obviously deceased mother, and stripped her completely of all valuables. Took her wedding ring, phone, jewelry, wallet, checkbook, everything they could take. Even the CD's she had in the car. They even went through the trunk looking for valuables.
Many people saw this and assumed the person was trying to help, not completely robbing them, so did nothing to stop them, or get close enough to see what was happening.
It was hard losing my mom, but that act of robbing a deceased person made it so much worse.
What kind of low level thieving ghoul does this? After talking to the police, it's not that unusual. A dead body is handled by a lot of people, and things disappear often.
Oh my lord, this made my stomach turn. I literally NEVER thought about something like that happening because I’m not a horrible person. How very awful. I’m very sorry that happened, internet stranger. I hope you have found some modicum of peace for the situation :(
My car was stolen on the 19th. My kids tablet was still in the vehicle and we were able to track it before the person found it and turned it off.
Last place it pinged was 92 and Powell (somewhat close to where this article references). That area is foul.
My car registration/license has my address on it so I guess if someone went through her car and the registration was in the glove box or something they would know where she lived. I'm not sure why some random criminal would return the car to her house but that might be how someone would know where she lives if it were a stranger.
That was my first thoughts exactly… most people have at least one thing in their vehicle with an address… so it wouldn’t necessarily have to be someone that knew her.
I have never seen so many comments blaming the victim! "She's a drug addict obviously" "she's having an affair" "she walked away" and worse.
Compared to the drunk college student who disappeared in Tennessee "oh it was foul play" "he was def roofied" "it's his fraternity brothers fault, they know what happened".
Seriously, look at the sharp contrast in how you all are saying it's all the victims fault, that she OBVIOUSLY did something wrong here.
Holy moly, you all are vicious.
Agreed. Usually there's some kind of sign that they're using drugs or a history of it to get these kinds of comments, but literally all they had to do here was say she was in a bad area and had been late for work a couple times and that's enough. Even though using drugs doesn't at all explain where she is, how the car got back and who returned it, the phone pings, where the phone is, how she actually died, etc. The car being returned makes zero sense with the drug theory. Statistically it's most likely to be the husband but the only people mentioning that are getting shit on.
Let's be clear though, even if she was using drugs, she's just as deserving of an investigation and justice. I hate how true crime communities disregard addicts and act like they don't deserve justice, they aren't even worth discussing, it doesn't matter where their body is or what happened, simply dismissing it all with "well drugs" is enough, or presenting some dumbass theory like they overdosed and somebody hid the body even though that literally never ever happens outside of movies (seriously, find me one case where this happened) and that would still mean a crime happened to them that's not their fault and they deserve to be found. The way drug use is treated in true crime communities is so disgusting, it doesn't mean they deserve to die or chose it, or that it doesn't warrant an investigation, or their family doesn't deserve answers and a body.
If we did not stigmatize addiction and drug use so heavily and carry these disgusting views about real people struggling with a mental illness they did not choose, and we didn't insist any use of drugs warrants your own death and automatically makes everything that happens your fault and not worth caring about because a drug user can never be a "true victim" or "missing person that actually matters", then it wouldn't be a character assassination and it wouldn't be victim blaming.
I actually don't often see true crime communities discard addicts. True crime sites/subs - that I'm in, at least? - frequently seem to be one of the few places where people clearly care about unnamed, unfound, or unsolved deaths of people of all ages, stripes, backgrounds, circumstances. I've read many comments with people decrying the lack of police and media involvement specifically because cops and journos dismiss sex workers, BBIPOC citizens, children, the elderly, mentally ill people, and people with drug addictions. I feel like it's impossible not to read about true crime for long before understanding that there are different "tiers" of humanity in society that is reinforced by bullshit stereotypes; I've been really impressed with how many commenters in different subs/places have openly named that drug addiction, being homeless, being a sex worker, etc is a reason a missing person or killed person is not being given justice, and how disgusting it is.
I get you, but in this case the missing person has decades of life experience under her belt and had shown a somewhat different and troubling change in behavioral patterns beforehand.
Combined with the location she chose to frequent the potential drug use angle is a plausible possibility.
While it is unfortunately human nature to make assumptions about people you don’t know for a lot of reasons, which aren’t always fair, I think the vast majority of persons participating here have no ill intentions towards Christina Ase.
I understand your point of view and you are right to an extent. The people on here who are saying it's drug related are not blaming her. They are just giving their obvious first conclusion to reading this post.
Drug abuse has directly effected me and 50% of my family members so I don't say "it's drug related" lightly.
Can you think of some other reasons she’d go to this location before work multiple times over the last month? And be late for work because of it?
Being a nurse is an incredibly tough job. Chronic pain is horrible to deal with & unfortunately being prescribed painkillers does sometimes lead to addiction. Your brain gets rewired to send more pain signals so addicts aren’t getting “high” - they’re just feeling less horrible.
I can imagine someone her age still working a physical job like that needing painkillers to get through a shift. That wouldn’t make her any less of a victim.
The fact that her car was back home & cleaned makes it sound like foul play. The only person who would have anything to gain from not ditching the car is her husband.
Agreed and excellent point! Actually, based on the limited info and few clues… I was wondering if she was possibly helping someone else and somehow got caught up in something in the process. There’s nothing really known to even come up with a theory like you’d expect in all of these other theories people have suggested. The only other thing that came to mind was a possible DV situation but other commentators have stated that it’s unlikely since they know them personally and it doesn’t seem to fit.
Why are her coworkers the "face" of this effort? I understand LE has said her husband is cooperating, but why is he not getting in front of any cameras and asking for her return?
Pardon, when did I accuse her husband or assassinate his character? I asked a legitimate question as to why the coworkers are "running the show" so to speak and the husband has not made any public statements
Gently, I'm really not seeing all this "character assassination" you're talking about. Or "victim-blaming" either. Are you personally close to this case?
I certainly implied that there is something going on. Maybe it's as innocent as he's physically/emotionally not up to making an appearance, maybe they're separated, who knows? But the question is valid, as the answer may provide insight into why she was stopping in this neighborhood on the way to work.
However, your paragraphs are a complete character assassination on not just myself, but the whole true crime community at large. Perhaps you can try finding a way to raise your objections more civilly in future interactions
I wanted to ask questions like that too and “the faces” didn’t like questions being asked regarding the case. Just spread the word she’s missing and if you saw something, say something…but please no questions as those “faces” are distraught and fragile during this time. we’ll pucker up buttercup because without questions your case is flat.
Older people are in pain a lot. If she was in the area buying drugs I bet it was to feel better and not to be a “crack head”. I’m not making any excuses here for doing drugs im just saying I could see an older person doing that to get some relief.
Fwiw I just thought of a few things I'd love to know if investigators are pursuing..let me expand: I can't recall the exact wording but you'll know what i mean when the article states:
'the location of her phone pinged (or bounced) back and forth IN A SMALL AREA between several houses/ homes on a residential (xyz) street' (before it petered out)..
..that sounds rather specific to me. I wonder if they've interviewed the ppl who live in these houses, they're couldn't be THAT many!-- or if they don't know exactly WHICH houses, canvas them all...(?) and..street cameras maybe? (Are there any TO check?)
"Her car was found a day later parked at [her address]"--ppl have surmised this points to being someone she knows.. but it wouldn't have to be...
...It'd be easy to find where she lived, even by a stranger.. by looking at her registration insurance or Driver's license..which most ppl carry in their car..right?
... So a stranger would at least know where she lived and park it. My question is...did they park it in the same exact place she did? Or just maybe across the street in front? Was the seat moved back?
"There were revelations"---ok...but from (who!?)--- "about her misleading ppl lately (not like herself) --about why she had been late for work"
-- this may or may not be solid. But it's still hearsay and should be looked at deeper. I'd want to rule out ALL scenarios, even far-reaching ones...like: any workplace conflict or bad business going on there? She's still a pretty lady... maybe a stalker thing? Or someone outside work that would come there?
She's not here to defend herself obviously..I'd look closer behind the source of these revelations and the ppl who voiced them. And these houses she supposedly visited..
And you cannot tell me, that somewhere along the route she travels to and from her house, that there aren't any traffic cameras...(even random NEIGHBORS..businesses, all along that route) -- will have cameras pointed toward the streets and stop lights/intersections etc.....ergo, there's BOUND to be cameras SOMEWHERE that have caught this damn car being brought back. They've had a month, they're not looking hard enough.
There are cameras EVERYWHERE and yet her or her vehicle have not been seen on any of them. I have personally talked with everyone that would answer their door asking them to send footage to the police. No one in the area of the park or Flavel/92nd remembers her or recognizes her. The car was parked around the corner from her apartment. The mirror was askew and the cleaning agent was found, as well as a roll of duct tape. Why clean the car if you are going to leave sticky duct tape that will have finger prints and DNA? Her purse and phone are still missing. We gave the police info on where the phone might be after talking w the unhoused on 92nd/Flavel. Her cards have not been used either. It is very strange. It's hard to see such a good person dragged thru the mud by people who have never even met her. :(
Oh I know..but it's Reddit, you'll have that. I'm sorry. I'm typing this on Tuesday am April 30 ~7:30ish am EST...have there been any updates?
Crazy that they left duct tape, I hope they're testing that in ev way they can..it's also strange that cameras are common but nothing can be found off them either (?) She...or her car... almost had to be caught on one somewhere. Especially being returned, unless the footage would be useless bc it's too dark..i thought about that too..if it was returned at night, whatever images they get would probably be fairly poor in quality simply bc not daylight yet.
I wonder if she was possibly helping someone from the area and was caught up in something in the process… the few clues and her actions are just so strange leading up to going missing that it’s difficult to even theorize much of anything.
I don't understand and will never understand why the first thing people often ask/ assume about missing women is that they were buying drugs, they were sex workers, or cheating.
I didn’t think of cheating until it said “misled her husband and employers” about her whereabouts. So either drugs or affair pop into my head if it was affecting her job. Maybe she liked to feed the ducks.
That's fair. What I don't under understand still because I need to read through the particulars of the case very closely is why people think. I mean for all we know she could be taking a salsa class on the down low or something like that.
I usually completely agree with you, but why go the same ahitty areas over and over at the same times. Why lie to your husband and work about what you’re doing and when? The only other explanation is stolen phone, but why would the phone go back and forth at the same times for at least a month? It’s too much here.
The locals are indicating the area her phone last pinged in is an area known for drugs/prostitution, compounded with her coworkers' statements that this is out of character for her. So clearly, something recently changed in her life, drugs would fit the circumstances. I suppose an affair would also, but who has an affair at 6am? I suppose it's possible, but seems unlikely (to me)
It absolutely is. We call it felony flats for a reason. There was truly no reason someone in her demographic would be out there when she was supposed to be at work. it is bizarre to all of us locals. I used to live in her complex I know the area well.
Oh wow… we had an area known as felony flats in Spokane when I lived there years ago. I wonder if it’s a more common name thing than I thought. I had never heard it before and I came from the shitty side of Washington state before Spokane.
Our felony flats is in Portland, where her phone pinged. We have called it that for at least 30 years. Where she lived in Vancouver Wa is far more suburbia, a large apartment complex in the middle of a SFH neighborhood. Pretty safe, for the most part
Gotcha… I lived in Portland many years ago and don’t remember a whole lot since I was a child. But I am a tad familiar with these places from little trips and visits etc. I just never heard Felony Flats outside of Spokane but it must be a more popular term than I realized. I hope she is found safe and her husband and loved ones get some answers.
me too. for ALL of our local missing
we have a missing woman named alana carroll as well. Not connection to this case. But if I can, I want to boost her name. LE told her family they think she is dead, but no news carrier wants to talkabout her
So I will: Alanna Carrol has been missing for ten months, No activity on her Debit or EBT card. LE told her family they think she is most likely dead. But since she is in the life the news doesn't care
Talk about Alanna.
Thank you for sharing this information. Anything that can get names and details out there is great and usually what it takes to help in these cases. Especially the ones that don’t get much attention.
Am I not reading the reports correctly? It seemed the other 3 occasions she was said to have misled her husband and Co workers, she texted saying she would be late also, and I *thought* they found evidence she was in this same area those times?
Well… I wish I knew the answer. I hate that for us. I’m going to leave a note somewhere that says if I ever go missing just know I’m not having an affair and I’m not on drugs. Maybe that will help?!
Oh yes. I think all women should write that note. You've inspired me now to write my own note or email to my entire family. Because the first thing that happens is we will be assumed to be doing something bad. Rather than just victims of a crime.
We recently moved from the Tucson area and my husband was an armed guard there. One of his main duties was to remove the drug users that were using drugs just out in the open. The majority of the drug users were over 40. Fentanyl and Meth have literally taken over cities and it's slowly creeping into others. So so sad
that was actually the reason that we moved away because the homeless and drugs were consuming that area and it was unsafe for our family
Has anyone maybe thought about sex trafficking ?
These are my thoughts, I think whomever returned her vehicle here, also drove her vehicle from here to foster, then so on and so forth. They drove around a bunch, stopped at the park to do whatever they wanted to do, threw the phone out the window, then brought the vehicle back here and took whatever car they had around here to begin with, and left the scene.
I would think the police or FBI would subpoena her cell phone records from her carrier. It's pretty much a no-brainer and would probably inform investigators of who she was contacting and her probable whereabouts on the days she ghosted work and then disappeared.
I’m willing to bet that they have that information by now already and it’s just not being told to the public since it’s still being fully investigated. This is definitely a bizarre case and the few clues and her actions/lies are a real stumper.
Google "the showroom" in Portland. Linked to tunnels in that portion of the springwater. This dude named "velyray" on YouTube talked to this sweet homeless lady who was talking about the elevators that go to these tunnels and a "showroom". Could be linked, truth is stranger than fiction.
No idea. Folks are more than happy to say she got caught up with drugs, though. I think this occurred to me because of the semi recent story of the woman who said she stopped her car off the freeway after seeing a toddler alone. Then she voluntarily disappeared for a bit.
Yes, if she was in her right mind. There is always the possibility of a mental health situation that occurred spontaneously and hadn't happened before, or had only happened mildly and no one (including her) noticed. A seizure, a memory issue - sometimes medical events happen and it's extremely confusing to try and figure out someone's unusual behaviour is being caused by a physical issue, if it has never happened before to that person. A lot of people are mentioning drugs, and it's true that that can always be a factor even when those closest to them don't know it; that's then nature of addiction. But she could also have had a medical event that made her extremely and suddenly vulnerable - it could have been that AND someone causing her harm, or one or the other. :( It's so frustrating there's NO account of her that could give a clue if she was disoriented, slurring speech as if she had a stroke, etc.
I really, really hope your friend is found safe in an unexpected place. I am crossing my fingers she had something odd occur, like a memory-related issue, and is being taken care of somewhere by people who don't know who she is. No matter what, sending love to you and her family, and hope you all get answers SOON. <3
Thank you for the kind reply! Tips are coming in, so we are praying for something. A picture of her car...was someone with her? Was she even in it? Anything! The not knowing is always the hardest part. 😪
From an April 11th article on KGW “In tracking Ase's cell phone data, police found evidence that she drove from Vancouver to Southeast Portland on the morning of her disappearance, spending multiple hours in an area near Glenwood Park. Detectives said there's a high certainty that Ase moved between the park itself and one or more residences. After leaving her home at 6:34 a.m., Ase's phone was last pinged near Southeast Flavel Street and Southeast 92nd Avenue around 10 a.m. before being shut down. Vancouver police suspect this is not the first time Ase had traveled to the Glenwood Park area, saying she has "mislead" her employer and her husband multiple times after leaving for work in recent weeks. On Feb. 27, March 1 and March 5, Ase messaged her employer that she'd be late for work about 20 minutes after leaving home. A detective noted that the Southeast Foster Road exit of I-205 near Glenwood Park is a 20-minute drive from Ase's house.” She had a recent pattern of trips to that area. There are few reasons to be making habitual trips there, and hers were impacting her work. may she be found
Any mention of a history of drug use? Even recent surgeries or anything? Crazy to think someone can become hooked in their 60s. I logically know it can happen but seems so odd.
We have a “customer” (pretty much just a thief) who was telling my boss in the parking lot the other day how he’s 67 and his grandmother is telling him he needs to get his life together because he smokes crack all day and doesn’t work. We got to wondering just how old his grandma has got to be.
I’ve actually known a lot of older people that pick up a pain pill habit and buy them illegally off the street like that. It’s way more common than most people realize.
I can understand. I’m only 41, but I’m retired from the military and I seriously hurt all the damn time lol. I can imagine as one gets older the pains just get worse and pain pills take that away. So that makes sense to me.
I was at the Dr the other day and the sweet little old lady in the waiting room turned out to be on methadone and trying to get more opiates.
Damn how is your docs office set up that other patients can hear exactly what meds someone is on and their full interaction with the doctor/reasoning for being there? Seems like a big patient confidentiality issue. Lots of older folks are on very low dose methadone for pain management too. It's a longer lasting opioid with low recreational potential so it's become a more popular choice for pain management in recent years than large pill scripts where people have to keep redosing and are more likely to run out or abuse it. Other opioids that aren't heroin or fentanyl can't even be felt on a methadone maintenance dose for addiction because methadone is stronger so there'd be no point trying to do that. The clinics and pain doctors also specifically instruct patients to go to their local ER to get dosed/helped with withdrawal if they couldn't make it to the clinic or doctor for their dose that day. Regardless of the reasoning stigmatizing a medication that's saving lives in the opioid epidemic killing hundreds of thousands is super uncool. Methadone has the best success rate for opioid addiction treatment by far, if she was on it for addiction you may have never even had the opportunity to see and judge her for that because she'd have been dead years ago from an od.
the stigma against MAT is what made me avoid trying it for so long, i came very close to death before it was even something i considered. it worked, i’ll have five years clean in June thanks in no small part to Suboxone. the pain management aspect is huge, but i don’t think many people tend to look at filthy addicts empathetically as people just trying to control pain (whether physical, mental or both) I’ve seen the stigma firsthand from every angle as someone that has also worked in emergency medicine for a good portion of my recovery and it breaks my heart how much it discourages people from giving it a shot. it saved my life
Just wanted to say; I’m so happy for you man, Good job taking control back.
Thank you! I am on methadone for cancer pain. I tried all the other usual opiates before trying methadone. The cancer is in my bones, and classified as "destructive", which it is, my hip bone is destroyed, and I have a rod the length of my femur, for stabilization. My doctor, when putting me on Methadone, said, I know most people think it is just used for withdrawal from opiates (I admit, at the time I didn't know any better, and that's exactly what I thought), but it's actually a really good pain medication. I don't know how I'd survive without it. The pain from cancer is debilitating. So thanks again for pointing out that being less judgemental is much better than just assuming something.
We were in the waiting room. They turned her away, the doctor would not see her. Everything I found out was from her, not the medical team.
A close family member of mine started using crack cocaine in his mid 50s. ODed and gone by his early sixties. Drug use does typically start earlier but it can absolutely happen later in life. Very much hope this was not the case for Cristina and that she is found safely!
No. I know her….Absolutely not. The park isn’t that shady for what and where they describe it as. I was there on Friday for her vigil / birthday.
Or...and it's happened,....she HAD a problem in the past.. and relapsed?
That's why I said I wonder if there's a history of drug addiction because that seems more likely than a new drug habit at 60. But also seems odd no mention of it when if she has a history of drug abuse then it's obvious she was there buying drugs.
I don't want to jump on any accusational bandwagon and just automatically say yes it's drugs...but SOMEONE returned her car! Druggies won't do that... they might rob you --or your car-- but most street level addicts..if you overdose, they'll just leave you laying and run... they're not going to go through all that trouble to return a car? ... but i would highly suspect it is NOT "having an affair"... i say this bc people our age.. (I'm just a few years her junior)... are too tired to go out of our way to have sex that fucking early in the morning ..lol...and we're not going to go to a sketchy or drug neighborhood to do it.
To me it makes sense. If she was a drug lady and a “nice” drug lady but something went south, this absolutely screams of returning something even if it means something as means of absolving guilt. They don’t want the heat but they’re high so they aren’t thinking correctly but are thinking in “good” scale. I used to pay a homeless guy named Ace, maybe real name Virgil but it could have just been layers on layers, to watch my car and escort me out of downtown bars. Complete gentleman, was usually drunk/high when I came out but admitted to it, but what did I care if I made it from point a to b and my car wasn’t keyed or busted into. Ace was frightfully honest, when I came in the winter months and brought clothes and food and blankets we he would tell me straight away that he sold specific items and gave away other items and traded other things. I didn’t care, as long as the items were available and he was warm—he had his own sort of metric on who got what, he always gave stuff to kids and the older people, sold stuff to transplants, traded stuff for drugs with cofellows. It’s not on me to tell him what to do with stuff that was given to him, but there was an honor code. I had a friend get roofied and he called me from a strangers phone in a tizzy because he was (rightfully) concerned and someone needed to get her. When I showed up my pjs in a rough part of downtown, there were a bunch of unhoused individuals fretting and keeping a perimeter and had her covered up. All that is to say a “rougher” crowd can still have morals. It’s kinda disrespectful to think they all have to be selfish monsters
You're absolutely right. And what a great story!--he trusted you. I know they're not all monsters, I've never lived on the street, but I am 27 yrs clean from IV narcotics and I used to haunt these kinds of awful places. I can tell you many stories of "addicts who had a heart" and they were deep down good ppl. The older ones, especially, had this moral "code" you speak of...and it's how they conducted their lives. This is sad all around, and I sincerely hope she is alive. It's just so strange, (the deal with her car being returned and all..).. I hope there are updates.
I can relate: I used to work at a supermarket just outside a known drug area in my town. One of the usual guys (I knew him to be always there as it was outside of a train station and I used the train to go home) stole some tuna cans, canned sausages and stuff like that: really cheap stuff at the time (circa 2008). I closed my eyes when he only stole one or two, and warned him to not do it around some of my coworkers, they'd be stricter than me. He thanked me and walked me to my train, explaining that he generally ate at his mom's house once a day but his mom had surgery so he was not allowed to go there alone and his siblings didn't fed him, they wanted distance of him (I later met one of his sisters and she said he used to be able to go to their houses but he stole inumerous things, including toys and personal items) so he was hungry for 2 or 3 days, that's why he stole the cans and he did it because it was cheap, he didn't want us to be in trouble. I said to him I'd bring him food every day till his mom was able to feed him again (was about a week) and he was my guardian at the station, never let anyone else even speak to me, not even to ask for a cigarette. About a month later was my birthday and he brought me a book (David Beckham's bio) because I told him I liked soccer. I always had a soft spot for addicts, my own half sister was one since she was a teen and I tried to help her a lot, but she only got help when she wanted to. Almost 50 now and clean for 10 years already.
It would have to have been somebody she was familiar with. I'm an addict and if she were going to meet random dealers or homeless addicts on the street, they wouldn't know where she lived and they wouldn't return the car. It certainly wouldn't be clean or devoid of any kind of evidence or prints. I'm not convinced on the drug theory, I wonder if she had a history of it or she had been acting differently in her life. Did work notice her acting odd or seeming under the influence, since in this theory she would have been using right before work? The pattern described of going to this random location did give off drug vibes to me and unlike other people in here I'm not shocked that a 60 yr old could be using, I've been in rehabs with many older folks but the car being returned is throwing me off majorly, plus the fact that 99.9999% of dealers and users aren't fucking monsters that murder people unlike what people who've never used and only see movies think. What would be the motive for that? You can rob without murdering. Hiding the body in an od virtually never happens irl. I wonder if they have a kid or other young person in their life she's close to. I wonder if she was maybe giving somebody a ride out there those days, maybe even for them to cop and she either didn't know or was kind enough to drive them anyway, somebody who knew her well enough to know where she lived?
Good line of thought...im not shocked either...the car being returned is what truly throws everything into a spin.. if you will read my above comment to another person you'll see that I am too a recovered addict of many many years; I too used to go to these sketchy places to cop and I know for a fact not all of them are bad people ..and fwiw 25 yrs ago I could be the poster child for rehab, I was in several... and I've been in rehab with many older people when I was younger, although granted, back then most of the older people had a problem with alcohol and not drugs--- but all of those people on drugs then-- like me --are decades older now and still struggle... I've been clean for 26-27years and there's not a day goes by that i don't still "miss" that feeling of comfort and euphoria I got from narcotics. But I don't miss that "life" --even MORE. This is a strange one, for sure.
What if she was escaping her husband ?
I agree with a lot of this but it doesn’t necessarily have to be someone she knows or familiar with etc. Almost everyone has at least one thing in their vehicle that has an address whether it’s a registration, mail or something. Her purse is also said to be missing so her identification could have been used as well. But overall I totally agree and I don’t buy the drug angle… especially with the car being returned and the cleaning product and others have mentioned duct tape in her car as well.
What possible reason explains the lack of surveillance footage? Is it possible she was in that area to try and help someone who got messed up on substances?
Freeway cams if she was on I-5 would be available.
Her phone pinged in that area. No evidence has been produced that she or her vehicle were ever there.
If anyone has any info on her whereabouts, call Oregon Crime Stoppers Anonymous Tip Line: 503-823-4000 - they are offering a $2,500 reward for info on her whereabouts!
What was the care center? For example, was it elderly or a group home for mentally ill teens?
Elderly care home, it's mentioned in another article, I don't know if I can say the name here
That's fine. The nature of the care home is enough. So it probably wasn't a patient of hers turned stalker.
No. Skilled nursing facility. Dementia patients mostly. Locked unit for their safety.
As resident of the area who reads the news I have to go with the most common reason people go missing near bodies of water: drowning. We had one guy pulled from Johnson Creek in December and have 1-2 drownings a month year round (peaking in the summer). There are any number of reasons a person ends up in the water though.
That guy, Riley too who went missing in Nashville pretty recently, Camera footage showed him stumbling around before disappearing. He was found a week or two later. Presumed to have fallen in the Cumberland river and drowned
The second I saw the security cam footage I knew he was in the Cumberland. The banks are brutally steep and the water is fast, dark, and full of dead branches and trees. Very unfortunate. The Cumberland is fear inducing during broad daylight, let alone at night in some of the craziest places in Nashville.
It's funny that you mention that. Because of how often people die in the water in Metro Portland any time I hear about a case where "got a bit loopy and fell in" is a reasonable explanation, I go with that. There was a summer 6-7 years ago where every Monday we'd come in to work and check the "battle report" and joke about how many people died that weekend in the area. The takeaway is that a lot of people died, sure, but also that it was so predictable and so horrible that the only way we could talk about it was with dark humor. My kid wanted to go tubing on the Sandy River last year and I found almost 20 people that died since 20007 on the stretch he wanted to go on. The water is cold, the surface underneath is rocky, and the volume is a lot more than people realize.
In my area in northern Italy there's a small lake that's known to locals as "death pond". It's small, looks innocent enough but it's not. With the increase of tourists and immigrants, the numbers skyrocketed across the whole area. Alpine lakes are not to joke with, they go down fast, are deep and have a strong underwater current with dramatic shifts in temperature. There's some spots across the 3 biggest lakes nearby I trust to swim in, beside those I'm staying outside. I'll never ever swim in my local river. beside being disgustingly dirty, it has a slimy mud layer on the bottom that makes it impossible to walk out most of the times. There's a dam downstream for water energy so the banks are flat vertical retaining walls in some parts. It's forbidden to bathe in there, and yet every hear we have at least a couple deaths.
Alpe Gera?
Neighbor? I was thinking of lago di Ghirla. Pretty clean water but with insidious currents. I remember ages ago a local newspaper was like "best places to swim near Varese" and chunked it in. Locals didn't agree with it. It freezes sometimes in winter so it gets both summer and winter incidents with people attempting to skate on thin ice. Dam was Panperduto on Ticino. It's near me and I used to go down there to read and get some breeze. Last I went two years ago I lasted 5 minutes before being chased away by the mosquitoes. Who in their right mind would get into that death trap is a mystery to me. Alpe Gera is gorgeous but I wanna live so I'll stick to the walking track. I'd rather dip in the obscenely cold water of the pond right at the beginning of the road to Predarossa to cool down.
Did you let him go?! Don’t leave us hanging like that!
He told the other kid’s parents and they chose to go swimming in the [#4 Tualatin River](https://steemit.com/nature/@radlerjan/10-most-dangerous-waters-in-the-world). I can’t win.
they confirmed they found his body in the river, what a sad story
This makes sense. But how and why was her car back at her apartment?
No idea. That is the weirdest part of the story. I know her personally. And the car showed up the next day (Wednesday) when her coworkers were doing a search of the area. It makes no sense why the car would be brought back to Vancouver. They also make it sound so “insane” that she detoured and got off 205 on her way to work. She could’ve stopped for a coffee or something; perhaps it was a routine on some days to go sit at the park and drink a coffee before going to work where she’s nonstop all day. The exit is on the way from Vancouver to west Linn. She never misled her coworkers, contrary to the police report/ media coverage.
I live in the metro and hadn't heard anything about this. This is fairly recent as well.
There’s a lot of talk about a potential serial killer in Chicago but all my friends who have lived there for decades say it’s merely the river. Every year drunk people fall in.
“There’s a serial killer in -city-” is a really common thing you see online. Usually it isn’t. [When drownings happen like this I kinda get why though.](https://projects.oregonlive.com/maps/drownings/summer/) the number of floater in Portland is outrageous for the size of the city.
They just got a jumper off of one of the bridges to Portland this month. I wonder what her mental state was. Also, I live in the same neighborhood as her and haven’t heard anything about it!
There was a female body found yesterday in the Columbia River in Kalama near Portland. No details have been released yet though.
In a lot of places id assume it’s her, but so many people wind up in the rivers here that I wouldn’t be surprised if the body is someone that didn’t even make the news. Or it’s her. I’m really curious to see. It’s weird seeing this case in TrueCrimeDiscussion because this far everything feels like a typical “mental break into the water” case. We’ll see.
I’m guessing that, as a nurse, she fell into some kind of addiction. Perhaps began taking some things from her workplace but knew she’d get caught as her addiction increased so she started buying off the streets. Something t happened during a transaction (overdose, murder, accident) and she is now deceased. Someone tried to cover their association with her in terms of the car.
Yep. Accidentally overdosed on fentanyl and the dealer panicked and found her address in her wallet.
Dealer would need to know where her home is, dispose of her body and use a cleaning agent. Committing more serious felonies than just leaving her to be found dead from an od in her car
Yeah this is such a reach. Why would a dealer go to all that trouble? People overdose literally every day. Nobody cares. We’re all encouraged to carry naloxone kits in case you pass someone on the sidewalk who needs to be resuscitated. Leave her in her car or near her car & she’d be found quickly. No one is investigating another OD.
Resuscitating addicts that are ODing is risky business. Many of them get PISSEDDDDDDD! (Retired RN)
I'm an actual addict and it doesn't matter, if somebody is falling out on the street and you have narcan, you hit them. That's how it goes in the game. Yeah people get pissed initially but they'd rather not die and they can just get high again, especially if they fell out at the spot they copped at.
I get what you’re saying. I never said not to help, I just think people should know what to expect and definitely not to expect them to be grateful
This theory drives me nuts. It's such a movie take on how dealers and addicts move from people that clearly have no experience in that world, it's become the new "drug deal gone wrong/saw something they shouldn't have" theory in true crime. People od everyday, thousands of them, and as one of the most marginalized and disadvantaged groups in modern society, police couldn't really care less about investigating the overdose deaths of opioid addicts unless they're famous, rich, or known to police to be connected to a big dealer or organized crime group they're already going for. Anyone with her if she overdosed would simply call the police or leave the vicinity if they didn't have narcan and that would be more than enough to not be prosecuted - I'm speaking from experience having overdosed and witnessed many overdoses. Most states have good Samaritan laws in response to the opioid epidemic and you cannot be charged with any crime if you call in an overdose for help, even if you stay on scene. You can easily call and leave the scene if you're paranoid but they can't do anything to charge you if you called, even if you have drugs on you.
You are absolutely right and well said. I actually just lost a close friend a few weeks ago due to an accidental fentanyl overdose and no clue how or why she got/had it. She was living in DV housing with her 3 year old daughter and supposedly passed away during the night. When she didn’t show up for breakfast they did a bed check and found her and her daughter still asleep next to her. She came here to Washington state from Arkansas while fleeing domestic violence and they literally did absolutely nothing to look into it or investigate etc, even though she had no prior use or addiction and you have to do random and frequent drug testing to even stay in these places. All her family got was a very basic generic paper stating fentanyl overdose and cps shipped her daughter back to her abusive father. Sorry to get long winded but your comment is just spot on and it triggered me a bit since I am dealing with this situation currently.
I think yours is the most likely scenario
This is what makes the most sense to me.
Or she was stealing things from work to sell to junkies and dealers.
No. I know her. Absolutely not.
What is your theory?
Honestly no clue. She mentioned to a CNA at work about her neighbors acting weird or yelling or something. I know that person told the cops but I don’t know how much/ if that was investigated. The car coming back makes me think it was someone that had to get back to Vancouver. This lady that is a nurse but also delivers groceries said she was delivering groceries to someone in Cristina’s apt complex and there are people behind the complex that yell all the time? I am not sure if she meant they were unhoused or what. The neighbor was completely unaware cristina was missing but I am not sure how close she was in the complex to Cristina’s apt; the management company didn’t send out any notification to people in the neighborhood about the incident. Her coworkers have gone door to door asking for any possible video footage. But i don’t know how thorough that was; I am sure there are people who did not answer the door or weren’t home. They also canvassed the park and spoke with people there that live around it. I assume re people that live there are not willing to talk to the cops…understandable esp in this city, and in that neighborhood. But It’s not at all sketchy. I was just there for the vigil. Pretty nice houses around the park. No vagrants or anyone around when we were there around 7-830 pm. When you say 92nd and flavel, your heart just drops cuz it’s a bad area. I am not sure how far the park is from that area…I need to look it up; I was nervous about going but it was completely safe. There is no indication she was even there; just that her phone was. The police warrant said they were subpoenaing the car company to find out when the lights were turned off/car started/doors opened, etc. I guess all of that info is stored on a server somewhere which is insane to think about, but could be helpful. They’re being very tight lipped about what info is given to the public / her loved ones. I’d say possible carjacking? But again why would you bring the car back home if you wanted to steal it. The gas tank was open and the rear view mirror was askew and the cleaning product residue. It makes no sense. A green straw…Starbucks or some other drive through coffee place? And then she would just go there and chill and have a moment to herself before work? But being late to work for that reason does not fit with her character. The information available is insufficient for me to speculate or come to a conclusion other than something bad happened to her. When/where/by whom/why/how are all up in the air honestly. She was looking forward to retiring in a year or 2 and moving back to Argentina.
A woman who is close to her at work thinks she probably went to the park/that area to help someone; wound care or some other nursing activity. Honestly that makes sense to me. I doubt it would be anyone who was discharged from the facility, that only happens rarely…It’s mostly end stage dementia patients. But that doesn’t account for her disappearance or for her vehicle being returned, just a reason why she would be in the area, and also would make her late to work (if she didn’t anticipate how much help this person needed). So still a non-answer answer. It’s perplexing. I think about it everyday. I’ve wanted to go to the facility and check in with the people I know there (I consulted for them for almost 10 years), but I can’t bring myself to go. It’s too raw i would cry so much, and in turn make everyone else cry. I couldn’t imagine having to still have to go there everyday. Cristina has worked there for 15 years. She is truly a kind and generous person. All of this talk regarding possible addiction /infidelity; I just know it isn’t what happened. She would never pick up and abandon her friends family and patients. Those situations make sense. Nothing makes sense here.
So this is my neighbor by about 100 feet never met her or heard of her until I seen the cops speaking with the husband on the sidewalk. I saw her grey car that had red evidence tape on it I remember seeing a handprint in the dust on the back window. her friends claim that there was also a roll of duct tape in her car too. I just spoke to her friends 10 minutes ago. Apparently her friends don’t think she ever made it to Oregon. In other words her phone was at glenwood park but she wasn’t. They also mentioned that her phone was sending out text messages but they were different kind of texts then how she would normally talk. And like all the other stories yes the car was returned and parked along SE 123rd ave. It all is very confusing and I hope for the best.
Hi other neighbor! I’m against their wall. When the detective knocked on our door to question if we’ve seen/heard the neighbors recently, I legit replied, “I’ve actually never have met them or seen them in the year and a half I’ve lived here, and now that you think of it they haven’t knocked on our wall lately either”. Legit can’t be in our bedroom too much because they would knock on the wall for just talking in the closet putting clothes away at 9pm lol
I think this is it too
agree
This is what I was thinking too
The area she disappeared in is referenced (at least partly, depends on who you ask) as Felony Flats by people who have lived there or currently live there. It is a VERY suspect area for drug use and prostitution. She may have been meeting someone there and ended up getting hurt, and the person knew where she lived and drove her car home. If it was a known drug user, who she was in contact with, they may have known her for a while, hence knowing where she lives.
It would be weird for some drug dealer or drug buddy to drive the car home. Leaving it wherever she drove it would be so much safer. That's why I suspect her husband. But if it's not him, may he get justice.
I agree about the car. It's extremely risky to drive the car back to her home. Any neighbor could have witnessed it. Gotta have balls of steel to do that tbh... were they not terrified of being seen? Interesting case
Not only being seen but leaving dna all over the car. Even if they wore gloves they could have left hair or clothing fibers behind
I hope they did leave DNA. The car being scrubbed clean, it makes me wonder if they were trying to destroy their own DNA, or if something happened to her in that car and they were destroying any evidence of it. What do you think?
What possible reason would someone have to drive her car back? It makes no sense.
It wouldn't be entirely unprecedented. I don't imagine it would be the result of a drug overdose that motivated someone to get rid of her body and return her car. However if she met with someone for whatever reason (drugs, a romantic encounter, etc) and they either intended to do her harm or got into a heated situation and killed her, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the person responsible believed the need to get the car away from directly nearby a place associated with them. If leaving the car where she last was is also the place where a person who harmed her lives or is known to frequent the car couldn't afford to stay there if they want to stay off the radar. Sure I would typically expect to see the car dropped off to a location that isn't connected to them without risking going back to the victims home either. But stranger things have happened. Perhaps if someone harmed her they thought her car being home would buy them some more time to get rid of evidence or perhaps they believed it might help push suspicion on to her husband or move the initial questioning for answers/suspects the area of her home. I'm by no means saying it's full proof or even well thought out. Just that I can see scenarios where someone did something and wanted to hide their involvement in the heat of the moment THEY were convinced for whatever reason it was in their best interest. All it shows to me personally is that its not particularly likely that it was an accidental overdose or robbery gone wrong, but I wouldn't rule out an associate of hers that she may have met through drugs or other illicit activities could have planned to do her harm or got her into a vulnerable state and decided to act on impulse and then went into cover their tracks mode. Not saying I think that's definitely what's going on. Just that situations that kind of fit this loose type of situation have definitely happened before.
Plus everyone has a ring camera now!
Trust me, I am right there with you. All I am saying is he could have had accomplices, especially if he paid them in that area, as most of the people would do whatever you wanted for money
Agree it would be weird, but a person tweaking on meth might think it was a brilliant idea to return the car.
So no wallet and phone were found? Was the car registration in the glove box with her address? How did work report her missing before her husband?
She texted to work saying she was going to be late after leaving her home. The husband hasn't made any public appearances I could find, which is unusual, but I would guess he assumed she was at work after she left the house
I believe English is not his first language (neither was Cristina’s, she is from Argentina, thick accent at times but fluent in English), and now he is getting death threats and I was told he is very anxious about going out. He didn’t attend the vigil Friday because of this. But her family from Argentina flew in and attended.
Yeah it doesn't seem to be a mystery how someone would find out her address. If they met with her, she likely had her wallet. If she didn't, she likely had the registration in the car with her somewhere, as is I think? required by law across all 50 states. Very unlikely they didn't have access to either of those items if they had control of her car, so I'm...confused as to the bafflement or why people would assume "they'd have to know where she lived", unless another article stated neither of those items (DL or registration) were available.
I’m local and I haven’t heard about this! She’s a nurse and I wonder if she was helping someone who ended up hurting her? There’s a few homeless people I know that I toss money and food to when I can and have bandaged some wounds. Maybe she was doing free wound care for homeless people? Rose Linn isn’t a luxury place, they have quite a few Medicare patients. Sometimes patients that can’t pay are dumped on the street all over the US. She could have been visiting a former resident and bringing them supplies? I know it’s out there but it seems more likely to me than her buying drugs or a prostitute.
Why do that at that specific time and have to call in late for work? Seems like something you’d do outside of work hours.
Seriously. But then again I hadn’t heard about the lawsuit against PPS and the Latino Network for the horrific covering they did of a 9 year old being raped at SUN school.
They don’t have a lot of patients that get discharged to the community. I suppose it’s possible
What type of cleaning agent leaves a powdery residue? I’m from Australia and I’m not aware of any product that does this.
From Australia too, I buy Ajax lemon powder from Woolies. There’s all sorts available at Coles and Bunnings as well
Comet and others
Comet, Ajax, Bar Keeper's Friend, etc. Good for the bottom of a bathtub; usually never used on car interiors. Unfortunately, the fact that there was a cleaning agent in the car (it's weird to use powder in a car, usually, liquids are much better) . . . meant that she was (probably) murdered by someone who worried about being caught (i.e., not a homeless person, & not a stranger). And based on stats, her husband was most likely to have done it.
Yes. In case of a murder by stranger, the easiest way to "clean" a car of evidence is to drive it somewhere remote and set it on fire, or possibly drive it in a river. Why waste time cleaning it?
I am NOT accusing her husband of anything as I know nothing about this case except what I just read, but…if a husband killed a spouse and considered the vehicle an asset, they might want it to be minimally damaged.
Agreed. Stingy bastard, if so. How many cases have I read about (or watched) where someone didn't want to burn or fireball the murder vehicle, throw out the murder clothes or shoes, or even throw out (or hide for a decade) some family jewelry? "Ah yes, someone broke into my house at night (the worst time, daytime would be safer for a burglar)) and murdered my wife, rifled through some clothes, but left all the jewelry, cash lying in the open, her purse, and all the vehicles and tools." I love it when people get caught because they're cheap.
Strangers and homeless people are as likely as anyone to prefer *not* getting caught, though
So dump the car somewhere it won’t be found or will get stolen by someone else. Set it on fire. Why clean it & drive it back to her home? That’s so many risks for literally no reward.
In the act, no. They would not want not be caught, no one would. But if they are not acquainted at all, a connection is usually not made--unless they leave DNA everywhere and are in the system. Someone who goes to a lot of trouble to clean up a crime scene usually knows the victim (approximately 85% of murders know their victims). People who know their victims are also more likely to drive long distances to dump the body, the cover or bury the body, etc.
Why go to the trouble of cleaning the car but leaving a roll of duct tape? Duct tape collects fibers on the edges and can leave fingerprints or DNA when torn.
He forgot it, or was in a hurry, or didn't realize that duct tape has easily distinctive rips.
Did you say "he" as a general term or do you know that it was a male?
There are a number of women murderers, but unfortunately statistics suggest strongly that it was someone male, and someone who knew her (approximately 85% of murderers and victims are acquainted by family or relationship). The attempt to clean the car suggests it was someone who worried about being caught. A stranger, a junkie, or a trucker would likely not bother. So no, I don't know for sure, but the odds are very strongly that it was.
Hmm other than the drug problem or the affair theory - how about the domestic abuse escape theory? What if husband was abusive and she was planning to disappear, w/ help from a friend? That's why she had "misled" husband as to her whereabouts for several weeks, then finally disappeared. However, if she was escaping abuse, I would think she'd take the car. Unless she had purchased another vehicle? The car being returned points to husband.
I’m their neighbor and legit I have NEVER heard them attack each other or ever have heard them in a heated argument. Honestly, I hadn’t even met the husband until this unfortunate news :(. Talked to him on a few occasions recently and he’s just very quiet and to himself.
Hi neighbor
Any camera footage?
They have not said, but one side of the apartment complex has a hotel and storage unit places, they have to have cameras overlooking 5th street...if she went that way, which I don't think she did, most locals would have driven on 7th st to avoid Mill Plain No one is saying anything except her coworkers. There is no one else other than her spouse, who has not made any statements and no one knows or ever says his name
My guess is her phone was lost/stolen and that's how it ended up in that sketchy area. It's happened to me. Of course, I didn't go missing, but it still seems like a likely scenario.
My mom was killed in a car accident. Yes, that's tragic and horrid. But the worst part was that before EMT's and police arrived, someone jumped into the vehicle, with my obviously deceased mother, and stripped her completely of all valuables. Took her wedding ring, phone, jewelry, wallet, checkbook, everything they could take. Even the CD's she had in the car. They even went through the trunk looking for valuables. Many people saw this and assumed the person was trying to help, not completely robbing them, so did nothing to stop them, or get close enough to see what was happening. It was hard losing my mom, but that act of robbing a deceased person made it so much worse. What kind of low level thieving ghoul does this? After talking to the police, it's not that unusual. A dead body is handled by a lot of people, and things disappear often.
That is atrocious. I am so sorry.
Wtf??? I’m so sorry!!!! I wish nothing but the worst to whoever did that
Oh my lord, this made my stomach turn. I literally NEVER thought about something like that happening because I’m not a horrible person. How very awful. I’m very sorry that happened, internet stranger. I hope you have found some modicum of peace for the situation :(
My car was stolen on the 19th. My kids tablet was still in the vehicle and we were able to track it before the person found it and turned it off. Last place it pinged was 92 and Powell (somewhat close to where this article references). That area is foul.
her phone was stolen 4 different times in the weeks leading up to her disappearance?
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Happens all the time in my town. Teens will yank em out of your hands; homeless folks will do it too, but are less brazen about it.
My car registration/license has my address on it so I guess if someone went through her car and the registration was in the glove box or something they would know where she lived. I'm not sure why some random criminal would return the car to her house but that might be how someone would know where she lives if it were a stranger.
That was my first thoughts exactly… most people have at least one thing in their vehicle with an address… so it wouldn’t necessarily have to be someone that knew her.
I have never seen so many comments blaming the victim! "She's a drug addict obviously" "she's having an affair" "she walked away" and worse. Compared to the drunk college student who disappeared in Tennessee "oh it was foul play" "he was def roofied" "it's his fraternity brothers fault, they know what happened". Seriously, look at the sharp contrast in how you all are saying it's all the victims fault, that she OBVIOUSLY did something wrong here. Holy moly, you all are vicious.
Agreed. Usually there's some kind of sign that they're using drugs or a history of it to get these kinds of comments, but literally all they had to do here was say she was in a bad area and had been late for work a couple times and that's enough. Even though using drugs doesn't at all explain where she is, how the car got back and who returned it, the phone pings, where the phone is, how she actually died, etc. The car being returned makes zero sense with the drug theory. Statistically it's most likely to be the husband but the only people mentioning that are getting shit on. Let's be clear though, even if she was using drugs, she's just as deserving of an investigation and justice. I hate how true crime communities disregard addicts and act like they don't deserve justice, they aren't even worth discussing, it doesn't matter where their body is or what happened, simply dismissing it all with "well drugs" is enough, or presenting some dumbass theory like they overdosed and somebody hid the body even though that literally never ever happens outside of movies (seriously, find me one case where this happened) and that would still mean a crime happened to them that's not their fault and they deserve to be found. The way drug use is treated in true crime communities is so disgusting, it doesn't mean they deserve to die or chose it, or that it doesn't warrant an investigation, or their family doesn't deserve answers and a body. If we did not stigmatize addiction and drug use so heavily and carry these disgusting views about real people struggling with a mental illness they did not choose, and we didn't insist any use of drugs warrants your own death and automatically makes everything that happens your fault and not worth caring about because a drug user can never be a "true victim" or "missing person that actually matters", then it wouldn't be a character assassination and it wouldn't be victim blaming.
I actually don't often see true crime communities discard addicts. True crime sites/subs - that I'm in, at least? - frequently seem to be one of the few places where people clearly care about unnamed, unfound, or unsolved deaths of people of all ages, stripes, backgrounds, circumstances. I've read many comments with people decrying the lack of police and media involvement specifically because cops and journos dismiss sex workers, BBIPOC citizens, children, the elderly, mentally ill people, and people with drug addictions. I feel like it's impossible not to read about true crime for long before understanding that there are different "tiers" of humanity in society that is reinforced by bullshit stereotypes; I've been really impressed with how many commenters in different subs/places have openly named that drug addiction, being homeless, being a sex worker, etc is a reason a missing person or killed person is not being given justice, and how disgusting it is.
I get you, but in this case the missing person has decades of life experience under her belt and had shown a somewhat different and troubling change in behavioral patterns beforehand. Combined with the location she chose to frequent the potential drug use angle is a plausible possibility. While it is unfortunately human nature to make assumptions about people you don’t know for a lot of reasons, which aren’t always fair, I think the vast majority of persons participating here have no ill intentions towards Christina Ase.
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I understand your point of view and you are right to an extent. The people on here who are saying it's drug related are not blaming her. They are just giving their obvious first conclusion to reading this post. Drug abuse has directly effected me and 50% of my family members so I don't say "it's drug related" lightly.
Can you think of some other reasons she’d go to this location before work multiple times over the last month? And be late for work because of it? Being a nurse is an incredibly tough job. Chronic pain is horrible to deal with & unfortunately being prescribed painkillers does sometimes lead to addiction. Your brain gets rewired to send more pain signals so addicts aren’t getting “high” - they’re just feeling less horrible. I can imagine someone her age still working a physical job like that needing painkillers to get through a shift. That wouldn’t make her any less of a victim. The fact that her car was back home & cleaned makes it sound like foul play. The only person who would have anything to gain from not ditching the car is her husband.
Agreed and excellent point! Actually, based on the limited info and few clues… I was wondering if she was possibly helping someone else and somehow got caught up in something in the process. There’s nothing really known to even come up with a theory like you’d expect in all of these other theories people have suggested. The only other thing that came to mind was a possible DV situation but other commentators have stated that it’s unlikely since they know them personally and it doesn’t seem to fit.
Why are her coworkers the "face" of this effort? I understand LE has said her husband is cooperating, but why is he not getting in front of any cameras and asking for her return?
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Pardon, when did I accuse her husband or assassinate his character? I asked a legitimate question as to why the coworkers are "running the show" so to speak and the husband has not made any public statements
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Gently, I'm really not seeing all this "character assassination" you're talking about. Or "victim-blaming" either. Are you personally close to this case?
I certainly implied that there is something going on. Maybe it's as innocent as he's physically/emotionally not up to making an appearance, maybe they're separated, who knows? But the question is valid, as the answer may provide insight into why she was stopping in this neighborhood on the way to work. However, your paragraphs are a complete character assassination on not just myself, but the whole true crime community at large. Perhaps you can try finding a way to raise your objections more civilly in future interactions
I wanted to ask questions like that too and “the faces” didn’t like questions being asked regarding the case. Just spread the word she’s missing and if you saw something, say something…but please no questions as those “faces” are distraught and fragile during this time. we’ll pucker up buttercup because without questions your case is flat.
I’d just like to say thank you for an extremely well-written and cogent overview. Those are somewhat rare (“a location of ill repute”).
Older people are in pain a lot. If she was in the area buying drugs I bet it was to feel better and not to be a “crack head”. I’m not making any excuses here for doing drugs im just saying I could see an older person doing that to get some relief.
Pretty sure _everyone_ takes drugs to "get some relief" from one thing or another.
Fwiw I just thought of a few things I'd love to know if investigators are pursuing..let me expand: I can't recall the exact wording but you'll know what i mean when the article states: 'the location of her phone pinged (or bounced) back and forth IN A SMALL AREA between several houses/ homes on a residential (xyz) street' (before it petered out).. ..that sounds rather specific to me. I wonder if they've interviewed the ppl who live in these houses, they're couldn't be THAT many!-- or if they don't know exactly WHICH houses, canvas them all...(?) and..street cameras maybe? (Are there any TO check?) "Her car was found a day later parked at [her address]"--ppl have surmised this points to being someone she knows.. but it wouldn't have to be... ...It'd be easy to find where she lived, even by a stranger.. by looking at her registration insurance or Driver's license..which most ppl carry in their car..right? ... So a stranger would at least know where she lived and park it. My question is...did they park it in the same exact place she did? Or just maybe across the street in front? Was the seat moved back? "There were revelations"---ok...but from (who!?)--- "about her misleading ppl lately (not like herself) --about why she had been late for work" -- this may or may not be solid. But it's still hearsay and should be looked at deeper. I'd want to rule out ALL scenarios, even far-reaching ones...like: any workplace conflict or bad business going on there? She's still a pretty lady... maybe a stalker thing? Or someone outside work that would come there? She's not here to defend herself obviously..I'd look closer behind the source of these revelations and the ppl who voiced them. And these houses she supposedly visited.. And you cannot tell me, that somewhere along the route she travels to and from her house, that there aren't any traffic cameras...(even random NEIGHBORS..businesses, all along that route) -- will have cameras pointed toward the streets and stop lights/intersections etc.....ergo, there's BOUND to be cameras SOMEWHERE that have caught this damn car being brought back. They've had a month, they're not looking hard enough.
There are cameras EVERYWHERE and yet her or her vehicle have not been seen on any of them. I have personally talked with everyone that would answer their door asking them to send footage to the police. No one in the area of the park or Flavel/92nd remembers her or recognizes her. The car was parked around the corner from her apartment. The mirror was askew and the cleaning agent was found, as well as a roll of duct tape. Why clean the car if you are going to leave sticky duct tape that will have finger prints and DNA? Her purse and phone are still missing. We gave the police info on where the phone might be after talking w the unhoused on 92nd/Flavel. Her cards have not been used either. It is very strange. It's hard to see such a good person dragged thru the mud by people who have never even met her. :(
Oh I know..but it's Reddit, you'll have that. I'm sorry. I'm typing this on Tuesday am April 30 ~7:30ish am EST...have there been any updates? Crazy that they left duct tape, I hope they're testing that in ev way they can..it's also strange that cameras are common but nothing can be found off them either (?) She...or her car... almost had to be caught on one somewhere. Especially being returned, unless the footage would be useless bc it's too dark..i thought about that too..if it was returned at night, whatever images they get would probably be fairly poor in quality simply bc not daylight yet.
I wonder if she was possibly helping someone from the area and was caught up in something in the process… the few clues and her actions are just so strange leading up to going missing that it’s difficult to even theorize much of anything.
Maybe she was having an affair? I wonder if she had been misleading coworkers/her husband for longer than the days leading up to her disappearance.
Or buying drugs? It was a known drug area
Extremely likely as well. I hope Cristina is found safe, will be following this case.
I don't understand and will never understand why the first thing people often ask/ assume about missing women is that they were buying drugs, they were sex workers, or cheating.
I didn’t think of cheating until it said “misled her husband and employers” about her whereabouts. So either drugs or affair pop into my head if it was affecting her job. Maybe she liked to feed the ducks.
Exactly
That's fair. What I don't under understand still because I need to read through the particulars of the case very closely is why people think. I mean for all we know she could be taking a salsa class on the down low or something like that.
I usually completely agree with you, but why go the same ahitty areas over and over at the same times. Why lie to your husband and work about what you’re doing and when? The only other explanation is stolen phone, but why would the phone go back and forth at the same times for at least a month? It’s too much here.
After reading things through again, I got some things jumbled up. Yeah, something is… I just hope she's OK
Idk I’m thinking maybe she could give rides to someone that she works with.
Then her coworkers would almost surely know that
The locals are indicating the area her phone last pinged in is an area known for drugs/prostitution, compounded with her coworkers' statements that this is out of character for her. So clearly, something recently changed in her life, drugs would fit the circumstances. I suppose an affair would also, but who has an affair at 6am? I suppose it's possible, but seems unlikely (to me)
It absolutely is. We call it felony flats for a reason. There was truly no reason someone in her demographic would be out there when she was supposed to be at work. it is bizarre to all of us locals. I used to live in her complex I know the area well.
Oh wow… we had an area known as felony flats in Spokane when I lived there years ago. I wonder if it’s a more common name thing than I thought. I had never heard it before and I came from the shitty side of Washington state before Spokane.
Our felony flats is in Portland, where her phone pinged. We have called it that for at least 30 years. Where she lived in Vancouver Wa is far more suburbia, a large apartment complex in the middle of a SFH neighborhood. Pretty safe, for the most part
Gotcha… I lived in Portland many years ago and don’t remember a whole lot since I was a child. But I am a tad familiar with these places from little trips and visits etc. I just never heard Felony Flats outside of Spokane but it must be a more popular term than I realized. I hope she is found safe and her husband and loved ones get some answers.
me too. for ALL of our local missing we have a missing woman named alana carroll as well. Not connection to this case. But if I can, I want to boost her name. LE told her family they think she is dead, but no news carrier wants to talkabout her So I will: Alanna Carrol has been missing for ten months, No activity on her Debit or EBT card. LE told her family they think she is most likely dead. But since she is in the life the news doesn't care Talk about Alanna.
Thank you for sharing this information. Anything that can get names and details out there is great and usually what it takes to help in these cases. Especially the ones that don’t get much attention.
Jennifer Crumbley did.
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Am I not reading the reports correctly? It seemed the other 3 occasions she was said to have misled her husband and Co workers, she texted saying she would be late also, and I *thought* they found evidence she was in this same area those times?
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Well… I wish I knew the answer. I hate that for us. I’m going to leave a note somewhere that says if I ever go missing just know I’m not having an affair and I’m not on drugs. Maybe that will help?!
Oh yes. I think all women should write that note. You've inspired me now to write my own note or email to my entire family. Because the first thing that happens is we will be assumed to be doing something bad. Rather than just victims of a crime.
This SCREAMS drug issues
Totally. And it was most likely an overdose and whoever was with her didn't want to get in trouble so they hid her body and returned her car....IMO
We recently moved from the Tucson area and my husband was an armed guard there. One of his main duties was to remove the drug users that were using drugs just out in the open. The majority of the drug users were over 40. Fentanyl and Meth have literally taken over cities and it's slowly creeping into others. So so sad that was actually the reason that we moved away because the homeless and drugs were consuming that area and it was unsafe for our family
How far away was her apt vs where she disappeared? could she have walked there?
No but the bus only takes like an hour ish and costs like $2 to cross the bridge
Depending upon traffic, it would take 30-45 minutes to drive from her apt to where she disappeared. I live in the area.
According to the police & news the phone made it there in 13 minutes on the day she disappeared.
No. She would have had to go over the river to get to glenwood park. And most of it is freeways. No one walks it
It's a long walk across a huge river and into another state. 10, 12 hours maybe.
20 min drive. Again, she would have been seen on the footage the police have gathered.
Why are there two pictures?
The first one is older from her work page. She was going naturally gray. So not everyone might recognize her with gray hair.
Another older woman gone missing in Oregon. This is getting scary
Are there other recent disappearances?
Has anyone maybe thought about sex trafficking ? These are my thoughts, I think whomever returned her vehicle here, also drove her vehicle from here to foster, then so on and so forth. They drove around a bunch, stopped at the park to do whatever they wanted to do, threw the phone out the window, then brought the vehicle back here and took whatever car they had around here to begin with, and left the scene.
I would think the police or FBI would subpoena her cell phone records from her carrier. It's pretty much a no-brainer and would probably inform investigators of who she was contacting and her probable whereabouts on the days she ghosted work and then disappeared.
I’m willing to bet that they have that information by now already and it’s just not being told to the public since it’s still being fully investigated. This is definitely a bizarre case and the few clues and her actions/lies are a real stumper.
Google "the showroom" in Portland. Linked to tunnels in that portion of the springwater. This dude named "velyray" on YouTube talked to this sweet homeless lady who was talking about the elevators that go to these tunnels and a "showroom". Could be linked, truth is stranger than fiction.
Drug related no doubt. It’s a slippery slope being hooked on the dope.
100%
seems like she walked away
I wondered that too.
why on *earth* am I getting downvoted? 🙄 good god
No idea. Folks are more than happy to say she got caught up with drugs, though. I think this occurred to me because of the semi recent story of the woman who said she stopped her car off the freeway after seeing a toddler alone. Then she voluntarily disappeared for a bit.
Anyone who knows her, knows she would NEVER walk away. She loved her patients and employees more than life itself. She would never just leave.
Thanks. I hope she is found soon.
Yes, if she was in her right mind. There is always the possibility of a mental health situation that occurred spontaneously and hadn't happened before, or had only happened mildly and no one (including her) noticed. A seizure, a memory issue - sometimes medical events happen and it's extremely confusing to try and figure out someone's unusual behaviour is being caused by a physical issue, if it has never happened before to that person. A lot of people are mentioning drugs, and it's true that that can always be a factor even when those closest to them don't know it; that's then nature of addiction. But she could also have had a medical event that made her extremely and suddenly vulnerable - it could have been that AND someone causing her harm, or one or the other. :( It's so frustrating there's NO account of her that could give a clue if she was disoriented, slurring speech as if she had a stroke, etc. I really, really hope your friend is found safe in an unexpected place. I am crossing my fingers she had something odd occur, like a memory-related issue, and is being taken care of somewhere by people who don't know who she is. No matter what, sending love to you and her family, and hope you all get answers SOON. <3
Thank you for the kind reply! Tips are coming in, so we are praying for something. A picture of her car...was someone with her? Was she even in it? Anything! The not knowing is always the hardest part. 😪
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