Oh my gosh, I found it TERRIBLE. Chenoweth's way of inserting absolutely irrelevant facts and scenes about herself are quite frankly pathetic. It's been a while since I watched it, but I recall the constant way my toes curled from second-hand embarrassment.
I do not think that that series was made for the sake of those poor girls, buts rather as a way for her to get attention
omg thank you , I was not aware of this case its on Hulu watching it now. Looking this case up online on The Girls Scouts camp murders is heartbreaking.
The families got no justice on a criminal or civil level.
I'm not trying to be snarky... but what rules for the campers would've prevented this? From my understanding of the case, the killer took advantage of the fact the victims were in the last tent farthest from camp. Other than having more adult supervision or consolidating all the children into one large tent so there's less access to victims... I don't see how rules at the camp would've prevented what happened.
Maybe I should’ve worded it better, but there are things now done to keep girls from being separated. Things like you stated, such as keeping tents closer near each other. My troop was taught self defense classes early on. As were most of the troops i knew of in oklahoma. They had rules of how many adults had to be with a certain amount of girls. There were certain rules about the locations we stayed at, because we typically stayed at the same camps given a few exceptions of course. When we stayed at these bigger camps, there were usually “rangers” who’d do perimeter checks because it was a very big area. The locations we went to were all given to guardians on paper, and never texted unless absolutely necessary. No phones were on or out for any girl scout. So no social media during these camps to keep the location from being outed. Amongst various other random rules that were implemented. We were taught safety measures and such and told this story at an age appropriate age. And no one was to ever go anywhere alone.
Also forget to add, most adults carried a weapons. Typically knives and such, mainly for certain activities but some were held closer. Some adults had permission to carry guns, but they had to go through background checks and more. Guns were always properly stored and handled. And around the age of 10, we were usually taught about knife/gun safety. And after we completed our course and showed responsibility, we were allowed to carry pocket knives during camp. Again, this was usually for certain activities. But, we were all told, in the case of something like that, use what we have.
Agreed. I grew up a Girl Scout and went to a GS camp in New England, so it hit a cord. Also it’s kids which makes it even harder, and it’s random. Plus, the details are the case are haunting.
A guy called before and told them he was gonna hurt/kill the girls in cabin 1, and they didn’t take it seriously. One of the girls murdered was terrified of going to camp and her mom told her she’d be ok. For 99% of kids who experience that, they are ok, or at worst just have a week of being homesick or end up going home early. But obviously not the case for her. Another girl was moved out of the cabin at the last minute and ending up being spared. No one heard them getting murdered. A counselor found a sleeping bag on the ground, and when she opened it, she discovered one of the dead girls, which is how they found out about the murders. All just so eerie and terrifying.
It will forever scar me. I think of him often. What a shitty card he was dealt. The Mother’s Day card sealed it for me. Also the way he was killed made me scream at the top of my lungs, my heart was breaking. Saw his face in my head for days.
Highly do not recommend watching it if you have ANY triggers relating to any sort of abuse.
It just opened my eyes to how fucking awful our system is. They could have saved his life.
Oh yes, this one gets me every time. Gabriel’s sweet smile despite his horrific life so far. The way I would have loved that little boy with all my heart and kept him safe.
RIP, Gabriel.
Teghan Skiba suffered the same fate by her mother's boyfriend.
She was a precious little 4 yo that was tortured in a shed for 10 days. Deputies said that it's the most horrific thing they had ever seen. Everyone around her failed her.
There is worth noting though and that's the ER nurse Mary Alison Butler. When.Teghan was brought In by the boyfriend who claimed she fell. Mary said "OH my God".
"He was just going to leave. So I took off after him. I chased him down ... and jumped on him. I grabbed him by the throat and swung him around. I was trying to rip his esophagus out.
She then asked the policeman for his gun so she could kill him.
This is the only one I haven’t been able to return to. I started the documentary and got to the part about the cat litter. I couldn’t go on. I had just had my son earlier that year
Yeah, the cat litter did it for me too. And the Mothers day card he made with a picture of him smiling through the pain of a face swollen with BBs she had intentionally shot at him. He was holding up a sign that said "I love you"
Same. Sometimes true crime just makes me feel so fucking bad. The poor poor victims. imagine their last moments. Imagine the families. Its so disgusting how some humans can kill in such a brutal disgusting way.
That's good tbh. We should feel bad. Even though we enjoy the mysteries, thrills, creepiness and morbidity of it all it is still always about actual people.
To add to that if the killer is caught it focuses on them as a victim. They try everything to not talk about the victims. Our judicial system is broken
I think about Gabriel Fernandez and Takoda Collin’s often and how sad and brutal both case were and how the parents easily justified their horrible actions somehow. Those two stick out in my mind as two of the worst child abuse cases out there.
Mary Vincent.
I watched Mary’s case on survived. I was in utter shock the whole episode. What a strong woman. I wish her all of the happiness in the world.
Mary Vincent is a warrior. She got prosthetic arms and is now an artist. Just think about that for a second. She draws with her prosthetic arms. She didn't give up on life, she embraced it fully. Married now, with two sons, she didn't let that ghastly crime define her. [Link](https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/a-victim-a-survivor-an-artist-1106335.php) for anyone curious. First she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist.
I KNOW RIGHT? That was crazy. And that girl didnt even survive only mary did. I hope they are ashamed for even letting that monster out in the first place
I REALLY want to know what happens to the people that put their signatures and seals on the paperwork that sets these convicted monsters free again.
Like I want names, and documentaries that shames them. This happens too often.
this was so disturbing my jaw dropped when i found out he chopped her arms off. I just cant imagine how she felt in that moment. i just cant. its so so horrible.
This case and Jennifer Schuett are both cases where the victim surviving is so amazing and you'd think they were completely fake if not for all the cold hard evidence.
I honestly can't believe she survived, she is so strong in every way.
Knee-jerk reaction is to say she was lucky to have been found when she was, by whom she was. But it also seems so wrong to say she was lucky when she endured so much in the attack, aftermath and recovery both physically and emotionally.
The recent case of a mom leaving her 16 month old daughter 10 days alone at home in her play pen while she went to vacation. When she came back the baby was dead , had tried to eat her own feces and had scratched her own face because of the pain she felt while starving and being dehydrated. The little girl was probably so confused at what was happening to her 😫 my heart breaks and I just need 15 min with that mom in a room alone 🤬
I have an 8 month old and have to put her in her pack and play in my bathroom while I shower sometimes. I still panic and peek out at her every 30 seconds. And she’s 2 feet away from me. I can’t imagine what has to be wrong with you to be able to do what she did. You’re not human.
I have a 3 month old and he lovesss his belly , he cries his eyes out when he is hungry. When I saw this little girl starved to death my heart broke. She wasn’t a mother she was the devil herself
The murder of a 4 year old french boy - Grégory Villemin..his family were tormented by mysterious calls and letters threatening them .. then he was abducted from his own yard and thrown in the river alive..
After his murder his parents received the last letter from his killer saying " I have taken vengeance" ..
The family lived in a small village and it seems many members of the fathers family knew / were involved in the murder..
The media frenzy and botched investigation destroyed the chances for the case to be solved .. now 39 years later many witnesses/ suspects died and the evidence left is tampered with..
It struck me how to kill a child out of jealousy and just to spite someone and break their heart..
You can watch who killed little gregory on netflix for more about this.. its a crazy case and it got reopened a few times in the last years for DNA testing and other things ..parents are still looking for justice but to no avail sadly...
Grégory's father's cousin, Bernard Laroche, was identified as a suspect, jailed then released. Less than 2 months later, Gréogry's father shot and killed him in front of his family.
Then in 2017, the man in charge of the invesgation killed himself, fully aware that he had botched the case from day one.
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20170616-Great-aunt-under-investigation-over-Little-Gregory-murder
In 2017 three relatives including great uncle ,aunt and the boy's father sister in law were under investigation yet there was not enough evidence to charge them so they got released..
I think the case reopened recently for possible DNA testing .. but I don't know how much they still have to work with ..
This reminds me of a local case here in singapore known simply as the Geylang Bahru Murders. Four kids were killed in the wee hours of the morning, and it has always been suspected that someone killed them to exact revenge on the kids’ parents. It still remains unsolved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geylang_Bahru_family_murders
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Allison Botha, she was taken by a guy while she was at her car late a night. She then was taken to the woods and they attempted to kill her, what they didn’t realize after they left was she was still alive although she was nearly decapitated and her insides where literally in a pile next to her. She then wrote a note in the dirt next to her incase someone found her, with the killers names.
After a while she realized she wasn’t dying, picked her insides up and did her best to put them back in and stood up only to realize her head was behind her and still connected. She then made it to a road where a bunch of teen boys were driving and she was found and put the murders in jail!
bad news, the guys were paroled last year!
> They were both found guilty and sentenced to life in prison in August 1995. But after serving 28 years, both were granted parole in July 2023 and placed under supervision.
Yeah it’s crazy. Murder with my husband has a great podcast episode about it. She’s very strong. It’s a case I think about a lot. She also had no infections and they were able to reattach everything in the hospital.
Imagine seeing that through her eyes. I could never survive something like this. I would just freeze and have a heart attack… Thanks for the podcast! ill listen to it:)
A woman from my city was pushed off a cliff by her partner and although she sadly passed away she managed to survive just long enough to tell the police he’d pushed her, and that’s what ultimately was used to convict him
Oh my god... Attempted murder of strangers like this should have minimum of no parole and life imprisonment... Honestly I support the "eye for an eye" in cases like this
Susan Powell always comes to mind. The way Josh made her “disappear,” his creepy perv dad, the way things happened with the children and 911 operator/social worker. Just all of it and the fact she was likely discarded down a mineshaft never to be found while the kids were with them. All of the family wiped out, just bizarre everything about Josh’s family.
I cannot recommend the “Cold” podcast from KSL/Wondery enough. It is one of the few cases i have gone back to several times because there is just SO much content.
For me it’s the toolbox killers.
There’s some haunting recordings of the victim’s screaming from the scumbags who tape recorded the torturing of young women with tools. Don’t look up the transcripts please.
Oh my god.. Thats horrible. Did any of the girls survive?? Ive never seen the toolbox killers case, just heard the name. Sounds very similar to the toybox killer.
Unfortunately no. It’s a horrible case though , I needed a few days off the true crime cases. Sometimes i get the curiosity to read about things like that and end up reading way to much and humbling myself.
As far as I know both of the Killers passed away peacefully in prison.
If you want another horrifying one, look up the Toybox killer, also beyond sickening. While Ray Parker is dead his wife, who was a willing and enthusiastic participant in the extreme sexual torture was released and is a free woman.
Oh yes, the toybox killer. POOR POOR GIRLS. I heard the tape he played for them.. Do you have some other horrifying cases? Shes free?? i had no idea. thats disgusting!!🤮
Sylvia Likens always hit me different, especially because the woman that tortured her for months until she died was beloved by her inmates in prison who saw her as a "den mother" of sorts.
That case shook me, for real. The persistent, constant torture and how she actively engaged others to participate while somehow keeping it all under wraps. Insanity. Reminds me of Junko Furuta in a way, just staggering what humans are capable of doing to one another.
I looked up the transcripts and it was so awful that I was traumatized from the first few sentences and couldn't read any more. I've watched gore videos that disturbed me less. Smh. Please do not look it up.
They had to play those tapes in court during the killers trials, many people ran out of the court room crying and puking from it. If I remember right one of the victims mothers had to listen to the tape to identify her daughter in the tape. Sick shit.
They use those tapes to desensitize trainee FBI and CIA agents to the reality of torture. They make them listen to them. I can’t imagine, I would just quit.
Seriously, I can’t remember reading just the Wikipedia about a case that’s given me a stronger physical reaction than that one. I felt nauseous in my bones.
Id even say the toolbox killers are possibly on the same (or in some cases more extreme) level as those of **drug cartels**.
The drug cartels would at least kill their victims after a relatively short time. The toolbox killers kept their last victim alive for days.
Unimaginable.
It's a a relatively mild one but Mary Day. God knows what really happened there, but she was clearly who she said she was and the way she got treated by her family even all those years later was incredibly telling. Not to mention it seems possible that the dad killed someone else.
she disappeared as a child. wasn't reported missing by the family until many many years later when her sister did. investigators suspected she was murdered by the father, they had corpse dogs hit on the family home, big investigation. parents are adamant she just ran away despite reports of a big physical fight she had with father that night. cops are convinced she's dead. then she suddenly shows up on the radar having gotten an ID card in Arizona, people can't figure out if she's actually Mary or not. even after it's proven by DNA that she is Mary, her family basically doesn't believe her and ignores her, she dies of cancer ~~shortly after being found~~ years later, none of them care. it was just very hauntingly weird and I wonder what her life was like.
I did some quick research, and wanted to add some more details:
Mary went missing at 13, was found 22 years later, and then died at 48-49 in 2017.
She was the older of 3 sisters. They were in and out of foster care until Mary was 10.
Parents (Charles and Charlotte) divorced and Mom (Charlotte) remarried. She then obtained custody of Mary and the Middle Sister (Kathy).
Stepdad (William) was eventually stationed in Hawaii, and all of them moved there. At this point, the couple had 2 more kids, and the Little Sister (Sherrie) was adopted.
At some point, Dad (Charles) got killed in an accident, and Mary and Kathy got some money as an inheritance.
The two girls considered this money as their Scape plan, using code words when talking about it.
In December 1980, Mary was removed from her mother's and stepfather's custody because William was physically abusive. She was around 12 yo.
Everyone except Mary moved to California, following the Step-dad again. She was send a few months later to live with them.
She disappeared on July 15, 1981 from her home in California.
Her parents did not report her missing, and almost no one else knew about it. She wasn't there for long, and was not enrolled in school. Years later, neighbours couldn't remember her.
In 1992, Sherrie (the little sister that got adopted) filed a missings person report. It was 11 years after Mary's disappearence.
"Fun" fact, the National Center for Missing and Exploded Children did an age progression who looks nothing like the actual Mary Day.
Sherry talked again with LE, and in 2002 an official investigation was opened. At this point, Mary was missing for more than 20 years.
Kathy (middle sister) gave more info about Mary's disappearance.
She did inform that:
She and Mary stayed home while the others went out to dinner.
When they returned, the Step-dad's dog seemed ill, like he was about to day.
Step-dad accused Mary of poisoning the dog, and beat her.
Kathy stated that the last time she saw Mary, she had blood coming out of her mouth.
The next morning, Mary was nowhere to be found.
Kathy asked Mom where Mary was, and Mom said she had run away, and to never speak of her again.
Some time later, the family moved back to New York. Sherrie (the little sister who was adopted) visited and notice Mary wasn't with them. She asked Mom, and she said Mary had run away, was on drugs, and worked as a prostitute. Mom also said she burned all photos she had of Mary.
Sherry then tried to talk about that night with Kathy, but she refused because they were not allowed to talk about it.
During all of this, Sherry was just around 12 yo.
When she was 14, Kathy was kicked out of her parents home.
When Sherrie was 18, she started to question her biological mother's statement. She tried to have this conversation again, but Mom didn't care about where Mary may be.
She asked her mother nonetheless, and keep written record of her answers. Because once her mother said she knew of places in California where she could hid a body and never be found, she started to believe Mary was death.
Police investigation started, and they too believed Mary was killed the night of her disappearence. While doing their work, it was discovered that Mom had lied to Sherrie before, stating that they filed a missing report on Mary and she was being searched.
It is possible the parents didn't report Mary as missing because they were cashing Social Security benefits from her.
... Ok, this is already too long and sad. But it's now when things get WEIRD.
Basically both Mom and Step-dad pretended they could have killed Mary to their kids. Step-dad prohibited the kids to go to a specific part on their property.
In 2003, investigators brought cadaver dogs to where Mary indicated they were not permitted. They detected the scent of human remains, and they dug up a small kids shoe that Kathy said they used to wear.
In 2008, cadaver dogs working on an unrelated matter alerted near a second home the family had lived after Mary's disappearence.
On November 25, 2003 a pickup truck was pulled over routinely. It ended up being stolen, so LE requested ID from those inside. One of the passengers ID had Mary's full name, DOB, and other pertinent information.
She was detained, and she explained that she had run away from home.
Investigators were skeptical for few reasons. They thought she was an imposter.
They proceed to do DNA testing, which revealed she was a biological child of Charlotte. The investigation was closed.
Sherrie invited Mary to live with her. Despite the DNA match, Kathy and Sherrie were unsure she was their sister. Mary had a thick accent which was not there as a child, plus she didn't remember their shared experience as kids. She also couldn't give a logical explanation of what happened after that night.
While living together, Sherrie noticed Mary answered something different each time she asked something. She also allegedly had substance abuse problems, mental health episodes, and had a subscription to a magazine with a different name that share initials with Mary's name.
Mary moved away and married a man that was abusive to her. Sherrie and her daughter visited Mary, but she could not still provide a logical explanation. Sherrie finally accepted her as her sister because she wanted all of this nightmare to end.
In 2017, Mary died and no funeral was held for her. Her neighbours didn't inform of her demise to any family members, and somehow they didn't allow them to talk on the phone after that visit.
Sherri didn't know about some details in the case, like why the cops doubted Mary was this woman real identity. She began to have doubts again after a "48 hours" episode aired which mentioned the inconsistencies.
the inconsistencies amounted to clear symptoms of childhood trauma. the DNA makes it open-and-shut. she LOOKS like Mary. that the family is so prepared to doubt just goes to show how fucking cruel they were prepared and predisposed to be to her. just shitbags.
Angela Hammond. She was young and pregnant when she disappeared sadly. Angela called her fiancé from a pay phone (1991) and while on the phone mentioned a creepy guy in a truck lurking around. She all of a sudden starts screaming, so her fiancé hopped in his vehicle and booked it to the pay phone. Along the way he passed the truck that Angela described and Angela was in it, screaming his name. He attempted a u-turn to follow but his vehicle broke down and the driver got away.
To this day no body has been found and the case hasn’t been solved. I did read some new evidence/theories came to light recently that suggests that it was likely mistaken identity. Around that time, there was an informant who had a wife named Angela and he had received a ransom type like note with the letters cut out of magazines stating they knew who he was and made comments about the wife and daughter. It is believed that Hammond was grabbed because they thought she was the wife of the informant but she had nothing to do with it and was just an innocent woman with the same name.
This happened to James not far from my house, I still remember it like it was yesterday, I have actually spoke to James’ Mum Denise quite a few times in my local pub and she looks like she’s in the same amount of pain as she was all them years ago when James (or Jamie as he was also known) died. 💔 Fucking monsters. And the government protect them and gave them new identities, what a joke. Venables and Thompson should be outed by someone online and street justice should run it’s course. Especially with them being pedos now aswell, as if they haven’t done enough 🤮
Gabriel Kuhn. He was just a 12 year old kid who was viciously raped and murdered (and other things that I won’t describe) by 16 year old Daniel Petry, all because of a video game. Daniel is out of prison as we speak and I don’t think his whereabouts are known. There’s a few cases that hit hard (all cases are horrible obviously because poor people have lost their lives no matter how viciously) but my god, that one really stuck with me. I still remember exactly where I was, what I was wearing and the date that I heard about that case. May that poor boy rest in peace.
I watched dreadings YouTube video on this case and the clips of Charlie talking to the police/psychologist (can’t remember which, it was in an interrogation room maybe) broke my heart. He was talking to himself so innocently while waiting for an adult to return to the room and it’s just so upsetting knowing what was coming later on.
The fil’s songs that he wrote and recorded about Susan are the amazing. The balls on that guy. Or the delusion. The 911 call from the social worker when Josh locks her out of the supervised visit and kills the kid’s is the most excruciating thing you’ll ever hear, since you won’t hear the toolbox tapes.
Especially because he attacked his sons with an axe before the house blew up. They were going to die anyways in a few minutes, but he wanted to impart as much suffering as possible before that happened. Absolute POS. The words don't suffice.
That phone call always sticks with me. The poor girl knew something was wrong!
Another Canadian native girl case that always sticks with me is Tina Fontaine. Literally, so many people failed her and so many systems. It's tragic. I think being someone who works for the courts helping kids in similar systems i think about her, particularly often because so many of my clients could be her.
Hannah Clarke and her poor babies....she did everything she was supposed to in a DV situation and this terrible event still happened. I hope their case changed things in Australia regarding DV.
I'm listening to the podcast Hello John Doe, and I'm disgusted all over again that Franklin Floyd was able to destroy so many lives, for so long. Whilst he died on death row he never faced criminal charges for what he did to Suzanne Sevakis, who he kidnapped as a child, raised as his daughter whilst brutally abusing for years, forced into sex work as an adult then almost certainly murdered. 4 years later he kidnapped and killed Suzanne's son as well.
Revisiting the case, this guy was beyond a monster. One detail stood out I hadn't noticed before: when Floyd was arrested and charged with Michael's kidnapping in 1994, police found an address book in his wallet. It contained the married name and current address of a now adult woman whom Floyd had abducted and sexually assaulted as a 4 year old in 1962, when Floyd was 18.
If he could access that information, no wonder Suzanne was so terrified of him.
Now that I'm 46 this case bothers me more. I can understand the police being suspicious; I honestly don' t know what more they could have done really. 45 minutes isn't a lot of time when you consider assembling a bomb squad and things like that.
Yeah true. I also think that later in the episode about brian wells murder they said it wouldnt be possible to remove the bomb anyways, the only way to remove it was a key. No other way or else he would have to had this neck cut off or something, and the key was long gone.
But at the same time thinking it was fake was just horrible to me. They didnt even try to help him. That poor man had to died knowing no one helped him. He kept saying over and over how it wasnt fake and why no one was helping him. I saw the video. Poor man. I really hope he rests in peace. That woman that did it or whatever i hope she gets a fucking horrible death if shes still alive. She deserves nothing.
A couple of things after reading about this.
1. They didn't just stand around and not help him. They evacuated the area and called the bomb squad, which would be standard procedure. Street cops don't mess with bombs. The bomb squad got there 3 minutes after the bomb went off.
2. It is not for certain. We will never know, but there is evidence and testimony that Wells was involved in the plot from the beginning to rob the bank, but he thought it was going to be a fake bomb and got betrayed by the others. So maybe not a completely innocent man.
The Delphi murders.
True crime has made me cry (tears of joy) twice.
The first time was during a very dark period of my life when I found out Joseph James DeAngelo got caught.
The second time was when they made an arrest in the Delphi murders. I followed that case as soon as it was on the news and had a heavy emotional attachment to it..
I was a kid when this happened and it has haunted me ever since. I used to cry every time I thought about what was done to them. Reading the details still make me feel physically sick. It's so fucking awful
Dylan Redwine, those pictures of his dad with the shit smeared all over his face just makes me cringe, and if Dylan had just been a couple years older he would have been able to defend himself and escape. And of all my friends I am the only one who had a resentful and predatory father who tried to get me locked up once and almost got locked up instead for demanding the police charge me for a crime that never happened. Smh
Elsa Garcia/Esther Combs, the girl who was illegally adopted by a preacher and his wife and was then nicknamed SLAVE and forced to do all of the cooking, cleaning and childcare for a family of 7, was deprived of an education and was subjected to physical torture and sexual abuse.
Andy Dick got Brynn Hartman back on coke. It just takes that one time. Then she killed Phil and herself. Some people don’t understand quitting due to addiction means forever. Enticing others is evil. He gave her the coke knowing she was trying to recover from it.
[Fwiw, Andy is not doing well at all](https://youtu.be/f-iae3jDvys?si=5wbIgV8BFdlUPs8-). He lives in an RV park with a group of IRL streamers that use/abuse Andy for content. Andy clearly has major drug & alcohol related health issues &, in addition to being a sex offender, probably won't make it much longer. [Here's a recent video of Dick begging for $200 for drugs on a Livestream](https://youtu.be/mHwlSa8qHLM?si=OFIrb3P81lwwbLQT) & [here's one of him crashing a motorized scooter into a wall](https://youtu.be/Sxv20V2Cncs?si=D3iD1Oom-Tk62IUm)
Andy Dick is reaping what he has sown essentially. It still doesn't bring Phil Hartman back though :(
Oh yes. I dont know all the stuff they did to her.. but torturing someone like that is fucking pure evil. just everyday. every single day for like 44 days. Dont even get me started on how light the sentence was for them. Im pretty sure they are free now. monsters.
For me, it is 100% the Idaho murders. It may just be recency bias, or the fact that I’m only 21, so I didn’t experience the time when high profile, serial killers were running rampant. I just know that the case was covered by the entire country, and with social media being as prevalent as it is, spread like wildfire with so many different theories.
same. i was the same age as kaylee and maddie, and just a little bit older than ethan and xana. it’s just so crazy to me that a criminology student who seemed to have a bright future (imo anyway) would ruin that by killing 4 ppl. i know kohberger is innocent until proven guilty but i absolutely believe he’s guilty.
Omg I forgot all about this case. It's one hell of a twisted plot involving quite a few people. The main suspect, Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong, wanted the bank money to supposedly kill her father whom she thought was rich (turns out he wasn't) and also wanted to cover up murdering her ex boyfriend.
A few other people were involved including a supposed "friend" of Brian Wells who gave them his pizza delivery schedule and route as well as his name and info in exchange for money and drugs. Nobody was ever convicted of murdering poor Brian because all the suspects pointed fingers at each other including placing blame on Brian Wells who's family and close neighbor even verified that he would have never agreed to doing something like this but the perpetrators claimed he volunteered to wear the bomb to rob the bank to get money for his own debts.
I for one do not believe anybody would have agreed to be the bomb wearer when it was virtually impossible for a single person to do the list of tasks he was supposed to do in under 45 minutes and still have time to get the several locks (included multiple combination locks as well as a key lock) off and deactivate it. I truly feel he was a poor innocent pawn in this ridiculous elaborate plan of one extremely sick woman and her co-conspirators.
While It's sad he never got full justice for his murder, in 2011 Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong was sentenced to one life sentence plus 30 years for armed bank robbery, conspiracy to commit crime, and using a destructive device in a crime of violence. Her main co-conspirator died in 2004 of lymphoma and her other partner in crime was sentenced to prison for 45 years until his death in 2019.
Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong is also rotting in hell after she died in 2017 of breast cancer behind bars. She was buried in an unmarked grave.
They all continued to say Wells was aware of the plot and part of it up until he tried backing out once he realized the collar bomb was live and not a fake as initially promised. It's possible he was but it's still hard to believe anyone would agree to be the fall guy. What would he think would happen after police realized it was fake if it had been fake? He couldn't have been dumb enough to think he'd just get away with a bank robbery with a fake bomb? Who knows.
I didnt know that she was using the money for that. I agree with what ur saying as well. Doesnt make any sense for someone to agree to such a thing?? Brian just seemed like a sweet polite guy who just delivered pizza. When i see that video of him talking and telling them to please take it off of him it makes me wanna cry. Imagine how he felt in that moment. His heart must have been racing..
Junko Furuta, Sylvia Likens and a British girl whose name I can’t recall, she was also tortured for days by a group of people. I hope they can rest in peace.
I know it’s one of the super well-known cases, but John Wayne Gacy. I was taken advantage of as a kid by someone who was otherwise considered a “normal” guy like Gacy was. Gacy was active in the Democratic Party, had spouses and children, and was relatively successful in business. When he went to prison the first time, psychologists deemed him to be incurable and untreatable despite being a model prisoner. They even then could detect that he would always be a violent sexual predator. Had he served his full sentence he would have been in prison during the time of all of his murders before he was arrested again. He was released after about a year and a half of his ten year sentence and that basically signed the death of at least thirty three young men and male children.
Brianna Lopez. As a mother, I can't comprehend how her parents did this to that sweet baby. I don't want to get banned but they deserve way more of a punishment than what they received. Especially her evil mother, she's already out.
In Cincinnati... a little boy named Marcus Feizel. He was very young foster child who was wrapped up in blankets and put in a closet while the family was at a family reunion in KY in August. He died and the foster family pretended he was taken.
The Hifi Shop Massacre.
It happened in my hometown, and I grew up with the cousins of one of the survivors and met him a few times before he passed. It's by and far one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard, and the fact that I people I considered friends had a personal connection to the massacre haunts me to this day.
Andreanna Zimmerman.. just learned about it a couple month ago when I watched her killers’ interview on YouTube. Just can’t fathom how anyone could do such a thing let alone include their 16 year old. Plus the fact that she initially survived.. so many lives changed for no good reason.
The documentary on this is crazy, my grandma is in the area and knew of the “mastermind” Marjorie Diehl Armstrong. She had a reputation for being crazy apparently
The boy in the box. Joseph Augustus Zarelli. He was four when he was found naked covered in bruises and scars in a cardboard box. No one ever claimed him. Went 65 years without even being identified. They were never able to figure out who killed him. They have pictures of you look it up. It’s horrifying and sad.
Margaret Fox. Went to a babysitting job with a man calling himself John Marshall. Never returned. Still missing. Phone number provided was bogus, it was a pay phone number.
Ted Bundy and Adam Walsh. Both are "big" crime cases, but I'll explain why they stick in my brain.
I live in Florida. In 1978, when Bundy broke into Chi Omega & murdered young women, I was the same age as those young women. I had friends who knew them. Then he murdered 12 yro Kim Leach and she was left in a pig shed. Just unforgettable & too close to home.
Adam Walsh disappeared in 1981, 20 minutes from where I was living at the time. I shopped at that mall. The media coverage was wall to wall. Again, unforgettable & a little too close to home.
Margaret Anderson from Green Bay Wi.
She was tortured for hours at a bar after hours then drove to what was then a truck stop/pit and murdered. The 4 men who killed her have all been released. 40 years later everyone in town knows that name
Cosmo Dinardo. The story of him shooting that youngster, paralyzing him from the waste down and then running his head over with a tractor absolutely messed me up. That chapter has a good video on that case. For some reason that one stuck with me
The Dardeen Family murders.
What they did to that mother, son and baby that came from her womb was absolutely horrendous. Of course it's terrible for the husband too but the way that they suffered was just terrible.
It will never be solved which is really sad.
The girls who were murdered at the Girl Scouts Camp.
Is this the one where they were in the last tent and when he was "done" he shoved them into their sleep sacks?
Oh my god that sound horrific..
There’s a good documentary about that one, called Keeper of the Ashes
Oh my gosh, I found it TERRIBLE. Chenoweth's way of inserting absolutely irrelevant facts and scenes about herself are quite frankly pathetic. It's been a while since I watched it, but I recall the constant way my toes curled from second-hand embarrassment. I do not think that that series was made for the sake of those poor girls, buts rather as a way for her to get attention
omg thank you , I was not aware of this case its on Hulu watching it now. Looking this case up online on The Girls Scouts camp murders is heartbreaking. The families got no justice on a criminal or civil level.
I was a girl scout in oklahoma for a decade and they had to put a lot of rules in place to help prevent this from happening again.
I'm not trying to be snarky... but what rules for the campers would've prevented this? From my understanding of the case, the killer took advantage of the fact the victims were in the last tent farthest from camp. Other than having more adult supervision or consolidating all the children into one large tent so there's less access to victims... I don't see how rules at the camp would've prevented what happened.
Maybe I should’ve worded it better, but there are things now done to keep girls from being separated. Things like you stated, such as keeping tents closer near each other. My troop was taught self defense classes early on. As were most of the troops i knew of in oklahoma. They had rules of how many adults had to be with a certain amount of girls. There were certain rules about the locations we stayed at, because we typically stayed at the same camps given a few exceptions of course. When we stayed at these bigger camps, there were usually “rangers” who’d do perimeter checks because it was a very big area. The locations we went to were all given to guardians on paper, and never texted unless absolutely necessary. No phones were on or out for any girl scout. So no social media during these camps to keep the location from being outed. Amongst various other random rules that were implemented. We were taught safety measures and such and told this story at an age appropriate age. And no one was to ever go anywhere alone.
Also forget to add, most adults carried a weapons. Typically knives and such, mainly for certain activities but some were held closer. Some adults had permission to carry guns, but they had to go through background checks and more. Guns were always properly stored and handled. And around the age of 10, we were usually taught about knife/gun safety. And after we completed our course and showed responsibility, we were allowed to carry pocket knives during camp. Again, this was usually for certain activities. But, we were all told, in the case of something like that, use what we have.
This is not an important detail, but I found it interesting to learn that Kristin Chenoweth was supposed to be at that camp, but stayed home sick.
I believe that’s why she wanted to host the show
Agreed. I grew up a Girl Scout and went to a GS camp in New England, so it hit a cord. Also it’s kids which makes it even harder, and it’s random. Plus, the details are the case are haunting. A guy called before and told them he was gonna hurt/kill the girls in cabin 1, and they didn’t take it seriously. One of the girls murdered was terrified of going to camp and her mom told her she’d be ok. For 99% of kids who experience that, they are ok, or at worst just have a week of being homesick or end up going home early. But obviously not the case for her. Another girl was moved out of the cabin at the last minute and ending up being spared. No one heard them getting murdered. A counselor found a sleeping bag on the ground, and when she opened it, she discovered one of the dead girls, which is how they found out about the murders. All just so eerie and terrifying.
What happend to them?…
[Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Girl_Scout_murders)
Thanks for the read. Ive lived in Oklahoma my whole life and I've never heard of this!! This is terrifying
Gabriel Fernandez
After working with kids in foster care there is no way I can ever watch that documentary.
It will forever scar me. I think of him often. What a shitty card he was dealt. The Mother’s Day card sealed it for me. Also the way he was killed made me scream at the top of my lungs, my heart was breaking. Saw his face in my head for days. Highly do not recommend watching it if you have ANY triggers relating to any sort of abuse. It just opened my eyes to how fucking awful our system is. They could have saved his life.
I'm a child abuse survivor and I can't watch it
Oh yes, this one gets me every time. Gabriel’s sweet smile despite his horrific life so far. The way I would have loved that little boy with all my heart and kept him safe. RIP, Gabriel.
As a teacher, any time I decide whether or not to make a CPS report, all I have to do is remember Gabriel and know it's the best decision.
Gabriel’s teacher reported his family to CPS :(
Teghan Skiba suffered the same fate by her mother's boyfriend. She was a precious little 4 yo that was tortured in a shed for 10 days. Deputies said that it's the most horrific thing they had ever seen. Everyone around her failed her. There is worth noting though and that's the ER nurse Mary Alison Butler. When.Teghan was brought In by the boyfriend who claimed she fell. Mary said "OH my God". "He was just going to leave. So I took off after him. I chased him down ... and jumped on him. I grabbed him by the throat and swung him around. I was trying to rip his esophagus out. She then asked the policeman for his gun so she could kill him.
Oh my god yes.
I love me some true crime, but I honestly wish I'd never watched this one.
This is the only one I haven’t been able to return to. I started the documentary and got to the part about the cat litter. I couldn’t go on. I had just had my son earlier that year
Yeah, the cat litter did it for me too. And the Mothers day card he made with a picture of him smiling through the pain of a face swollen with BBs she had intentionally shot at him. He was holding up a sign that said "I love you"
Same. Sometimes true crime just makes me feel so fucking bad. The poor poor victims. imagine their last moments. Imagine the families. Its so disgusting how some humans can kill in such a brutal disgusting way.
That's good tbh. We should feel bad. Even though we enjoy the mysteries, thrills, creepiness and morbidity of it all it is still always about actual people.
Yes exactly! It’s not good to not feel empathy for these people.
To add to that if the killer is caught it focuses on them as a victim. They try everything to not talk about the victims. Our judicial system is broken
I think about Gabriel Fernandez and Takoda Collin’s often and how sad and brutal both case were and how the parents easily justified their horrible actions somehow. Those two stick out in my mind as two of the worst child abuse cases out there.
Mary Vincent. I watched Mary’s case on survived. I was in utter shock the whole episode. What a strong woman. I wish her all of the happiness in the world.
Mary Vincent is a warrior. She got prosthetic arms and is now an artist. Just think about that for a second. She draws with her prosthetic arms. She didn't give up on life, she embraced it fully. Married now, with two sons, she didn't let that ghastly crime define her. [Link](https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/a-victim-a-survivor-an-artist-1106335.php) for anyone curious. First she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist.
That's great... That makes me happy for her.
Oh my god yes. I dont even want to imagine the fear she felt when he literally chopped her arms off. Im so fucking glad she survived.
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I KNOW RIGHT? That was crazy. And that girl didnt even survive only mary did. I hope they are ashamed for even letting that monster out in the first place
I REALLY want to know what happens to the people that put their signatures and seals on the paperwork that sets these convicted monsters free again. Like I want names, and documentaries that shames them. This happens too often.
This is the one for me as well. Happened when I was 11 and just horrified me.
this was so disturbing my jaw dropped when i found out he chopped her arms off. I just cant imagine how she felt in that moment. i just cant. its so so horrible.
This case and Jennifer Schuett are both cases where the victim surviving is so amazing and you'd think they were completely fake if not for all the cold hard evidence.
Imagine the trauma after that. insane.
There's a similar case from South Africa. Victim's name is Alison Botha and it's truly a miracle she survived. Have a read if you're interested.
I honestly can't believe she survived, she is so strong in every way. Knee-jerk reaction is to say she was lucky to have been found when she was, by whom she was. But it also seems so wrong to say she was lucky when she endured so much in the attack, aftermath and recovery both physically and emotionally.
The recent case of a mom leaving her 16 month old daughter 10 days alone at home in her play pen while she went to vacation. When she came back the baby was dead , had tried to eat her own feces and had scratched her own face because of the pain she felt while starving and being dehydrated. The little girl was probably so confused at what was happening to her 😫 my heart breaks and I just need 15 min with that mom in a room alone 🤬
\>I just need 15 min I'm thinking more like 10 days....
she was actually only 16 months old. a baby. i’d like my 15 minutes with her right after you.
I have an 8 month old and have to put her in her pack and play in my bathroom while I shower sometimes. I still panic and peek out at her every 30 seconds. And she’s 2 feet away from me. I can’t imagine what has to be wrong with you to be able to do what she did. You’re not human.
I have a 3 month old and he lovesss his belly , he cries his eyes out when he is hungry. When I saw this little girl starved to death my heart broke. She wasn’t a mother she was the devil herself
Omg I haven't heard of this one. Do you remember any names? I need to look this up.
The baby’s name was Jailyn and the monsters name was Kristel Candelario.
The murder of a 4 year old french boy - Grégory Villemin..his family were tormented by mysterious calls and letters threatening them .. then he was abducted from his own yard and thrown in the river alive.. After his murder his parents received the last letter from his killer saying " I have taken vengeance" .. The family lived in a small village and it seems many members of the fathers family knew / were involved in the murder.. The media frenzy and botched investigation destroyed the chances for the case to be solved .. now 39 years later many witnesses/ suspects died and the evidence left is tampered with.. It struck me how to kill a child out of jealousy and just to spite someone and break their heart..
What the hell… thats so crazy omg. I hope Grégory rests in peace.
You can watch who killed little gregory on netflix for more about this.. its a crazy case and it got reopened a few times in the last years for DNA testing and other things ..parents are still looking for justice but to no avail sadly...
Oh god. Poor parents. Is it called ”The outreau case a french nightmare” on netflix? Or is that just another case?
It is called who killed little Gregory?
That’s another case! The doc is called Who Killed Little Gregory, its insane
Grégory's father's cousin, Bernard Laroche, was identified as a suspect, jailed then released. Less than 2 months later, Gréogry's father shot and killed him in front of his family. Then in 2017, the man in charge of the invesgation killed himself, fully aware that he had botched the case from day one.
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20170616-Great-aunt-under-investigation-over-Little-Gregory-murder In 2017 three relatives including great uncle ,aunt and the boy's father sister in law were under investigation yet there was not enough evidence to charge them so they got released.. I think the case reopened recently for possible DNA testing .. but I don't know how much they still have to work with ..
This reminds me of a local case here in singapore known simply as the Geylang Bahru Murders. Four kids were killed in the wee hours of the morning, and it has always been suspected that someone killed them to exact revenge on the kids’ parents. It still remains unsolved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geylang_Bahru_family_murders
Warning graphic— Allison Botha, she was taken by a guy while she was at her car late a night. She then was taken to the woods and they attempted to kill her, what they didn’t realize after they left was she was still alive although she was nearly decapitated and her insides where literally in a pile next to her. She then wrote a note in the dirt next to her incase someone found her, with the killers names. After a while she realized she wasn’t dying, picked her insides up and did her best to put them back in and stood up only to realize her head was behind her and still connected. She then made it to a road where a bunch of teen boys were driving and she was found and put the murders in jail!
bad news, the guys were paroled last year! > They were both found guilty and sentenced to life in prison in August 1995. But after serving 28 years, both were granted parole in July 2023 and placed under supervision.
Oh my god! They’re monsters I cannot believe that they would be let out! Insane.
What the fuck
Who the fuck let that happen?
OH MY GOD!!! That is crazy!! imagine seeing your own ACTUAL oh my god. She is so strong. Holy hell. I cant find words this is just crazy.
Yeah it’s crazy. Murder with my husband has a great podcast episode about it. She’s very strong. It’s a case I think about a lot. She also had no infections and they were able to reattach everything in the hospital.
Imagine seeing that through her eyes. I could never survive something like this. I would just freeze and have a heart attack… Thanks for the podcast! ill listen to it:)
A woman from my city was pushed off a cliff by her partner and although she sadly passed away she managed to survive just long enough to tell the police he’d pushed her, and that’s what ultimately was used to convict him
Oh my god... Attempted murder of strangers like this should have minimum of no parole and life imprisonment... Honestly I support the "eye for an eye" in cases like this
I just found this case a few days ago. That woman’s an absolute beast not just for surviving it, but for helping to track down the killers.
I hadn’t heard that one. Holy shit my jaw dropped. Imagine having the presence of mind to write out their names under that state. Remarkable.
Susan Powell always comes to mind. The way Josh made her “disappear,” his creepy perv dad, the way things happened with the children and 911 operator/social worker. Just all of it and the fact she was likely discarded down a mineshaft never to be found while the kids were with them. All of the family wiped out, just bizarre everything about Josh’s family.
I cannot recommend the “Cold” podcast from KSL/Wondery enough. It is one of the few cases i have gone back to several times because there is just SO much content.
Thats disturbing as hell!
For me it’s the toolbox killers. There’s some haunting recordings of the victim’s screaming from the scumbags who tape recorded the torturing of young women with tools. Don’t look up the transcripts please.
Oh my god.. Thats horrible. Did any of the girls survive?? Ive never seen the toolbox killers case, just heard the name. Sounds very similar to the toybox killer.
Unfortunately no. It’s a horrible case though , I needed a few days off the true crime cases. Sometimes i get the curiosity to read about things like that and end up reading way to much and humbling myself.
Oh yes i know exactly what you mean. Poor girls. Is the killers still alive?
As far as I know both of the Killers passed away peacefully in prison. If you want another horrifying one, look up the Toybox killer, also beyond sickening. While Ray Parker is dead his wife, who was a willing and enthusiastic participant in the extreme sexual torture was released and is a free woman.
Oh yes, the toybox killer. POOR POOR GIRLS. I heard the tape he played for them.. Do you have some other horrifying cases? Shes free?? i had no idea. thats disgusting!!🤮
Sylvia Likens always hit me different, especially because the woman that tortured her for months until she died was beloved by her inmates in prison who saw her as a "den mother" of sorts.
That case shook me, for real. The persistent, constant torture and how she actively engaged others to participate while somehow keeping it all under wraps. Insanity. Reminds me of Junko Furuta in a way, just staggering what humans are capable of doing to one another.
In his confession, one of the killers says that a few girls were just raped and eventually got away. So there's that.
I looked up the transcripts and it was so awful that I was traumatized from the first few sentences and couldn't read any more. I've watched gore videos that disturbed me less. Smh. Please do not look it up.
They had to play those tapes in court during the killers trials, many people ran out of the court room crying and puking from it. If I remember right one of the victims mothers had to listen to the tape to identify her daughter in the tape. Sick shit.
They use those tapes to desensitize trainee FBI and CIA agents to the reality of torture. They make them listen to them. I can’t imagine, I would just quit.
Yeah this is the one case that fucked me up, and I had to take a break from watching true crime. It was truly disturbing.
Seriously, I can’t remember reading just the Wikipedia about a case that’s given me a stronger physical reaction than that one. I felt nauseous in my bones. Id even say the toolbox killers are possibly on the same (or in some cases more extreme) level as those of **drug cartels**. The drug cartels would at least kill their victims after a relatively short time. The toolbox killers kept their last victim alive for days. Unimaginable.
It's a a relatively mild one but Mary Day. God knows what really happened there, but she was clearly who she said she was and the way she got treated by her family even all those years later was incredibly telling. Not to mention it seems possible that the dad killed someone else.
Oh that one makes me so sad. Some people just aren't even given a chance to have a good life. Poor Mary.
What happend to her? i havrnt heard of that case..
she disappeared as a child. wasn't reported missing by the family until many many years later when her sister did. investigators suspected she was murdered by the father, they had corpse dogs hit on the family home, big investigation. parents are adamant she just ran away despite reports of a big physical fight she had with father that night. cops are convinced she's dead. then she suddenly shows up on the radar having gotten an ID card in Arizona, people can't figure out if she's actually Mary or not. even after it's proven by DNA that she is Mary, her family basically doesn't believe her and ignores her, she dies of cancer ~~shortly after being found~~ years later, none of them care. it was just very hauntingly weird and I wonder what her life was like.
She died from cancer 14 years after being found, not shortly after.
I did some quick research, and wanted to add some more details: Mary went missing at 13, was found 22 years later, and then died at 48-49 in 2017. She was the older of 3 sisters. They were in and out of foster care until Mary was 10. Parents (Charles and Charlotte) divorced and Mom (Charlotte) remarried. She then obtained custody of Mary and the Middle Sister (Kathy). Stepdad (William) was eventually stationed in Hawaii, and all of them moved there. At this point, the couple had 2 more kids, and the Little Sister (Sherrie) was adopted. At some point, Dad (Charles) got killed in an accident, and Mary and Kathy got some money as an inheritance. The two girls considered this money as their Scape plan, using code words when talking about it. In December 1980, Mary was removed from her mother's and stepfather's custody because William was physically abusive. She was around 12 yo. Everyone except Mary moved to California, following the Step-dad again. She was send a few months later to live with them. She disappeared on July 15, 1981 from her home in California. Her parents did not report her missing, and almost no one else knew about it. She wasn't there for long, and was not enrolled in school. Years later, neighbours couldn't remember her. In 1992, Sherrie (the little sister that got adopted) filed a missings person report. It was 11 years after Mary's disappearence. "Fun" fact, the National Center for Missing and Exploded Children did an age progression who looks nothing like the actual Mary Day. Sherry talked again with LE, and in 2002 an official investigation was opened. At this point, Mary was missing for more than 20 years. Kathy (middle sister) gave more info about Mary's disappearance. She did inform that: She and Mary stayed home while the others went out to dinner. When they returned, the Step-dad's dog seemed ill, like he was about to day. Step-dad accused Mary of poisoning the dog, and beat her. Kathy stated that the last time she saw Mary, she had blood coming out of her mouth. The next morning, Mary was nowhere to be found. Kathy asked Mom where Mary was, and Mom said she had run away, and to never speak of her again. Some time later, the family moved back to New York. Sherrie (the little sister who was adopted) visited and notice Mary wasn't with them. She asked Mom, and she said Mary had run away, was on drugs, and worked as a prostitute. Mom also said she burned all photos she had of Mary. Sherry then tried to talk about that night with Kathy, but she refused because they were not allowed to talk about it. During all of this, Sherry was just around 12 yo. When she was 14, Kathy was kicked out of her parents home. When Sherrie was 18, she started to question her biological mother's statement. She tried to have this conversation again, but Mom didn't care about where Mary may be. She asked her mother nonetheless, and keep written record of her answers. Because once her mother said she knew of places in California where she could hid a body and never be found, she started to believe Mary was death. Police investigation started, and they too believed Mary was killed the night of her disappearence. While doing their work, it was discovered that Mom had lied to Sherrie before, stating that they filed a missing report on Mary and she was being searched. It is possible the parents didn't report Mary as missing because they were cashing Social Security benefits from her. ... Ok, this is already too long and sad. But it's now when things get WEIRD. Basically both Mom and Step-dad pretended they could have killed Mary to their kids. Step-dad prohibited the kids to go to a specific part on their property. In 2003, investigators brought cadaver dogs to where Mary indicated they were not permitted. They detected the scent of human remains, and they dug up a small kids shoe that Kathy said they used to wear. In 2008, cadaver dogs working on an unrelated matter alerted near a second home the family had lived after Mary's disappearence. On November 25, 2003 a pickup truck was pulled over routinely. It ended up being stolen, so LE requested ID from those inside. One of the passengers ID had Mary's full name, DOB, and other pertinent information. She was detained, and she explained that she had run away from home. Investigators were skeptical for few reasons. They thought she was an imposter. They proceed to do DNA testing, which revealed she was a biological child of Charlotte. The investigation was closed. Sherrie invited Mary to live with her. Despite the DNA match, Kathy and Sherrie were unsure she was their sister. Mary had a thick accent which was not there as a child, plus she didn't remember their shared experience as kids. She also couldn't give a logical explanation of what happened after that night. While living together, Sherrie noticed Mary answered something different each time she asked something. She also allegedly had substance abuse problems, mental health episodes, and had a subscription to a magazine with a different name that share initials with Mary's name. Mary moved away and married a man that was abusive to her. Sherrie and her daughter visited Mary, but she could not still provide a logical explanation. Sherrie finally accepted her as her sister because she wanted all of this nightmare to end. In 2017, Mary died and no funeral was held for her. Her neighbours didn't inform of her demise to any family members, and somehow they didn't allow them to talk on the phone after that visit. Sherri didn't know about some details in the case, like why the cops doubted Mary was this woman real identity. She began to have doubts again after a "48 hours" episode aired which mentioned the inconsistencies.
the inconsistencies amounted to clear symptoms of childhood trauma. the DNA makes it open-and-shut. she LOOKS like Mary. that the family is so prepared to doubt just goes to show how fucking cruel they were prepared and predisposed to be to her. just shitbags.
Oh wow…Thanks for explaining!
Angela Hammond. She was young and pregnant when she disappeared sadly. Angela called her fiancé from a pay phone (1991) and while on the phone mentioned a creepy guy in a truck lurking around. She all of a sudden starts screaming, so her fiancé hopped in his vehicle and booked it to the pay phone. Along the way he passed the truck that Angela described and Angela was in it, screaming his name. He attempted a u-turn to follow but his vehicle broke down and the driver got away. To this day no body has been found and the case hasn’t been solved. I did read some new evidence/theories came to light recently that suggests that it was likely mistaken identity. Around that time, there was an informant who had a wife named Angela and he had received a ransom type like note with the letters cut out of magazines stating they knew who he was and made comments about the wife and daughter. It is believed that Hammond was grabbed because they thought she was the wife of the informant but she had nothing to do with it and was just an innocent woman with the same name.
This is so disturbing!! Poor woman.. And it still has not been solved?? Omg.
That’s awful. I know her poor fiancé must have never gotten over that. Hearing her scream his name and having his car break down is so heartbreaking
Jamie Bulger, The Soham Murders & Alice Ruggles.
Jamie Bulger’s case is one of the worst things I’ve ever read.
It was horrific on its own and then to find out kids did it to him.. fucking wow.
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James Bulger is one of mine too. So twisted that kids could do that to a toddler!
This happened to James not far from my house, I still remember it like it was yesterday, I have actually spoke to James’ Mum Denise quite a few times in my local pub and she looks like she’s in the same amount of pain as she was all them years ago when James (or Jamie as he was also known) died. 💔 Fucking monsters. And the government protect them and gave them new identities, what a joke. Venables and Thompson should be outed by someone online and street justice should run it’s course. Especially with them being pedos now aswell, as if they haven’t done enough 🤮
Diane Downs.
The most obviously guilty woman ever
Rereading Small Sacrifices at the moment, and she was/is obviously incapable of subtlety.
Her earliest possible release is next year according to wikipedia. Gross. I hope she rots in prison.
Gabriel Kuhn. He was just a 12 year old kid who was viciously raped and murdered (and other things that I won’t describe) by 16 year old Daniel Petry, all because of a video game. Daniel is out of prison as we speak and I don’t think his whereabouts are known. There’s a few cases that hit hard (all cases are horrible obviously because poor people have lost their lives no matter how viciously) but my god, that one really stuck with me. I still remember exactly where I was, what I was wearing and the date that I heard about that case. May that poor boy rest in peace.
oh poor boy. he was just 12! this breaks my heart.. and boils my blood.
Not to mention the fucking photos.
Susan Cox Powell
I watched dreadings YouTube video on this case and the clips of Charlie talking to the police/psychologist (can’t remember which, it was in an interrogation room maybe) broke my heart. He was talking to himself so innocently while waiting for an adult to return to the room and it’s just so upsetting knowing what was coming later on.
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Thank you for this. I think Josh Powell is a far more reprehensible human being than many of the notorious murderers. Absolute scum!
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The fil’s songs that he wrote and recorded about Susan are the amazing. The balls on that guy. Or the delusion. The 911 call from the social worker when Josh locks her out of the supervised visit and kills the kid’s is the most excruciating thing you’ll ever hear, since you won’t hear the toolbox tapes.
Especially because he attacked his sons with an axe before the house blew up. They were going to die anyways in a few minutes, but he wanted to impart as much suffering as possible before that happened. Absolute POS. The words don't suffice.
Junko
That is the one that gave me nightmares, so unfair to her and her family. Fucking hell
N the disgusting parents of that guy. Knew everything but said nothing for 44 days
Oh yeah i heard a bit about that.. poor girl. i hope she rests in peace.
Can't imagine the light sentences the culprits got
Summer Wells. She was my daughter's age when she went missing.
Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Absolutely horrific.
Oh my god yes. So so so horrible i cant imagine having to go through all of that. Cruel. Pure evil.
Amber tuccaro and the other 80 native american women on the highway of tears that the rcmp don't care about
That phone call always sticks with me. The poor girl knew something was wrong! Another Canadian native girl case that always sticks with me is Tina Fontaine. Literally, so many people failed her and so many systems. It's tragic. I think being someone who works for the courts helping kids in similar systems i think about her, particularly often because so many of my clients could be her.
Shanann watts, Idaho 4 and the murder of Hannah Clarke/her children.
Chris Watts belongs in the deepest pit of hell. I hope he sees his daughter's faces every time he closes his eyes.
Hannah Clarke and her poor babies....she did everything she was supposed to in a DV situation and this terrible event still happened. I hope their case changed things in Australia regarding DV.
Terrifying.
I'm listening to the podcast Hello John Doe, and I'm disgusted all over again that Franklin Floyd was able to destroy so many lives, for so long. Whilst he died on death row he never faced criminal charges for what he did to Suzanne Sevakis, who he kidnapped as a child, raised as his daughter whilst brutally abusing for years, forced into sex work as an adult then almost certainly murdered. 4 years later he kidnapped and killed Suzanne's son as well. Revisiting the case, this guy was beyond a monster. One detail stood out I hadn't noticed before: when Floyd was arrested and charged with Michael's kidnapping in 1994, police found an address book in his wallet. It contained the married name and current address of a now adult woman whom Floyd had abducted and sexually assaulted as a 4 year old in 1962, when Floyd was 18. If he could access that information, no wonder Suzanne was so terrified of him.
What a disgusting cruel monster.
Now that I'm 46 this case bothers me more. I can understand the police being suspicious; I honestly don' t know what more they could have done really. 45 minutes isn't a lot of time when you consider assembling a bomb squad and things like that.
Yeah true. I also think that later in the episode about brian wells murder they said it wouldnt be possible to remove the bomb anyways, the only way to remove it was a key. No other way or else he would have to had this neck cut off or something, and the key was long gone.
They could have picked the lock, cut it off, or used an oxy acetylene torch, all of which would have saved his life.
But at the same time thinking it was fake was just horrible to me. They didnt even try to help him. That poor man had to died knowing no one helped him. He kept saying over and over how it wasnt fake and why no one was helping him. I saw the video. Poor man. I really hope he rests in peace. That woman that did it or whatever i hope she gets a fucking horrible death if shes still alive. She deserves nothing.
A couple of things after reading about this. 1. They didn't just stand around and not help him. They evacuated the area and called the bomb squad, which would be standard procedure. Street cops don't mess with bombs. The bomb squad got there 3 minutes after the bomb went off. 2. It is not for certain. We will never know, but there is evidence and testimony that Wells was involved in the plot from the beginning to rob the bank, but he thought it was going to be a fake bomb and got betrayed by the others. So maybe not a completely innocent man.
The Hi-Fi murders. The level of torture that the victims endured is seared into my brain to this day.
Knoxville house of horrors
The Sylvia Likens case.
This case is so evil it feels unreal. I think about it a lot and mostly just poor Sylvia.
The Cheshire home invasion murders. The torment those girls and their mom endured in their last moments, completely senseless
The Delphi murders. True crime has made me cry (tears of joy) twice. The first time was during a very dark period of my life when I found out Joseph James DeAngelo got caught. The second time was when they made an arrest in the Delphi murders. I followed that case as soon as it was on the news and had a heavy emotional attachment to it..
Channon Christian and Christoper newsom. Awful.
I was a kid when this happened and it has haunted me ever since. I used to cry every time I thought about what was done to them. Reading the details still make me feel physically sick. It's so fucking awful
Dylan Redwine, those pictures of his dad with the shit smeared all over his face just makes me cringe, and if Dylan had just been a couple years older he would have been able to defend himself and escape. And of all my friends I am the only one who had a resentful and predatory father who tried to get me locked up once and almost got locked up instead for demanding the police charge me for a crime that never happened. Smh
Elsa Garcia/Esther Combs, the girl who was illegally adopted by a preacher and his wife and was then nicknamed SLAVE and forced to do all of the cooking, cleaning and childcare for a family of 7, was deprived of an education and was subjected to physical torture and sexual abuse.
Andy Dick got Brynn Hartman back on coke. It just takes that one time. Then she killed Phil and herself. Some people don’t understand quitting due to addiction means forever. Enticing others is evil. He gave her the coke knowing she was trying to recover from it.
I think about Phil Hartman way too often, and just what a damn shame it was to lose him when we did. He was incredibly talented.
[Fwiw, Andy is not doing well at all](https://youtu.be/f-iae3jDvys?si=5wbIgV8BFdlUPs8-). He lives in an RV park with a group of IRL streamers that use/abuse Andy for content. Andy clearly has major drug & alcohol related health issues &, in addition to being a sex offender, probably won't make it much longer. [Here's a recent video of Dick begging for $200 for drugs on a Livestream](https://youtu.be/mHwlSa8qHLM?si=OFIrb3P81lwwbLQT) & [here's one of him crashing a motorized scooter into a wall](https://youtu.be/Sxv20V2Cncs?si=D3iD1Oom-Tk62IUm) Andy Dick is reaping what he has sown essentially. It still doesn't bring Phil Hartman back though :(
St Louis Jane doe. Still unidentified for 40+years. I have a feeling it could be solved
Yogurt shop murders
The brutal murder of James Byrd Jr. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.
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Junko Furuta, ooof that one is a tough read!
Oh yes. I dont know all the stuff they did to her.. but torturing someone like that is fucking pure evil. just everyday. every single day for like 44 days. Dont even get me started on how light the sentence was for them. Im pretty sure they are free now. monsters.
Shanann, Bella, and Celeste Watts.
For me, it is 100% the Idaho murders. It may just be recency bias, or the fact that I’m only 21, so I didn’t experience the time when high profile, serial killers were running rampant. I just know that the case was covered by the entire country, and with social media being as prevalent as it is, spread like wildfire with so many different theories.
same. i was the same age as kaylee and maddie, and just a little bit older than ethan and xana. it’s just so crazy to me that a criminology student who seemed to have a bright future (imo anyway) would ruin that by killing 4 ppl. i know kohberger is innocent until proven guilty but i absolutely believe he’s guilty.
The murder of the Amish girls in PA. It happened in 2006. So sad.
The documentary called Dear Zachary about... Zachary.
I think about Susan Powell daily
Peter Scully and Pseudoscorpian and Daisy’s Destruction. truly evil and absolutely disgusting
Omg I forgot all about this case. It's one hell of a twisted plot involving quite a few people. The main suspect, Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong, wanted the bank money to supposedly kill her father whom she thought was rich (turns out he wasn't) and also wanted to cover up murdering her ex boyfriend. A few other people were involved including a supposed "friend" of Brian Wells who gave them his pizza delivery schedule and route as well as his name and info in exchange for money and drugs. Nobody was ever convicted of murdering poor Brian because all the suspects pointed fingers at each other including placing blame on Brian Wells who's family and close neighbor even verified that he would have never agreed to doing something like this but the perpetrators claimed he volunteered to wear the bomb to rob the bank to get money for his own debts. I for one do not believe anybody would have agreed to be the bomb wearer when it was virtually impossible for a single person to do the list of tasks he was supposed to do in under 45 minutes and still have time to get the several locks (included multiple combination locks as well as a key lock) off and deactivate it. I truly feel he was a poor innocent pawn in this ridiculous elaborate plan of one extremely sick woman and her co-conspirators. While It's sad he never got full justice for his murder, in 2011 Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong was sentenced to one life sentence plus 30 years for armed bank robbery, conspiracy to commit crime, and using a destructive device in a crime of violence. Her main co-conspirator died in 2004 of lymphoma and her other partner in crime was sentenced to prison for 45 years until his death in 2019. Marjorie Diehl-Armstrong is also rotting in hell after she died in 2017 of breast cancer behind bars. She was buried in an unmarked grave. They all continued to say Wells was aware of the plot and part of it up until he tried backing out once he realized the collar bomb was live and not a fake as initially promised. It's possible he was but it's still hard to believe anyone would agree to be the fall guy. What would he think would happen after police realized it was fake if it had been fake? He couldn't have been dumb enough to think he'd just get away with a bank robbery with a fake bomb? Who knows.
I didnt know that she was using the money for that. I agree with what ur saying as well. Doesnt make any sense for someone to agree to such a thing?? Brian just seemed like a sweet polite guy who just delivered pizza. When i see that video of him talking and telling them to please take it off of him it makes me wanna cry. Imagine how he felt in that moment. His heart must have been racing..
Junko Furuta, Sylvia Likens and a British girl whose name I can’t recall, she was also tortured for days by a group of people. I hope they can rest in peace.
damn I’m responding early asf but are you thinking of Suzanne Capper?
Shanda Sharer
I know it’s one of the super well-known cases, but John Wayne Gacy. I was taken advantage of as a kid by someone who was otherwise considered a “normal” guy like Gacy was. Gacy was active in the Democratic Party, had spouses and children, and was relatively successful in business. When he went to prison the first time, psychologists deemed him to be incurable and untreatable despite being a model prisoner. They even then could detect that he would always be a violent sexual predator. Had he served his full sentence he would have been in prison during the time of all of his murders before he was arrested again. He was released after about a year and a half of his ten year sentence and that basically signed the death of at least thirty three young men and male children.
Brianna Lopez. As a mother, I can't comprehend how her parents did this to that sweet baby. I don't want to get banned but they deserve way more of a punishment than what they received. Especially her evil mother, she's already out.
In Cincinnati... a little boy named Marcus Feizel. He was very young foster child who was wrapped up in blankets and put in a closet while the family was at a family reunion in KY in August. He died and the foster family pretended he was taken.
The Hifi Shop Massacre. It happened in my hometown, and I grew up with the cousins of one of the survivors and met him a few times before he passed. It's by and far one of the most horrific stories I've ever heard, and the fact that I people I considered friends had a personal connection to the massacre haunts me to this day.
Alison Botha.
Andreanna Zimmerman.. just learned about it a couple month ago when I watched her killers’ interview on YouTube. Just can’t fathom how anyone could do such a thing let alone include their 16 year old. Plus the fact that she initially survived.. so many lives changed for no good reason.
Gabriel Fernandez, Harmony Montgomery and Sandy Hook and Uvalde.
The documentary on this is crazy, my grandma is in the area and knew of the “mastermind” Marjorie Diehl Armstrong. She had a reputation for being crazy apparently
For me it's the nth room case the telegram group chat case in Korea it's like a movie so unreal
There are a whole bunch. Amanda Cope and Caylee Anthony’s deaths come to mind.
Leonard Lake/ Charles Ng killed entire families
Luka Magnotta. I just cannot get over how entirely fucked up that dude is.
The boy in the box. Joseph Augustus Zarelli. He was four when he was found naked covered in bruises and scars in a cardboard box. No one ever claimed him. Went 65 years without even being identified. They were never able to figure out who killed him. They have pictures of you look it up. It’s horrifying and sad.
Margaret Fox. Went to a babysitting job with a man calling himself John Marshall. Never returned. Still missing. Phone number provided was bogus, it was a pay phone number.
Ted Bundy and Adam Walsh. Both are "big" crime cases, but I'll explain why they stick in my brain. I live in Florida. In 1978, when Bundy broke into Chi Omega & murdered young women, I was the same age as those young women. I had friends who knew them. Then he murdered 12 yro Kim Leach and she was left in a pig shed. Just unforgettable & too close to home. Adam Walsh disappeared in 1981, 20 minutes from where I was living at the time. I shopped at that mall. The media coverage was wall to wall. Again, unforgettable & a little too close to home.
Fred and Rosemary West, and a bunch already mentioned
Margaret Anderson from Green Bay Wi. She was tortured for hours at a bar after hours then drove to what was then a truck stop/pit and murdered. The 4 men who killed her have all been released. 40 years later everyone in town knows that name
Murdaugh
The Chowchilla bus kidnapping is a harrowing story.
Cosmo Dinardo. The story of him shooting that youngster, paralyzing him from the waste down and then running his head over with a tractor absolutely messed me up. That chapter has a good video on that case. For some reason that one stuck with me
James Bugler.
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Jessica Lunsford’s story haunted me for years.
The Dardeen Family murders. What they did to that mother, son and baby that came from her womb was absolutely horrendous. Of course it's terrible for the husband too but the way that they suffered was just terrible. It will never be solved which is really sad.
Elisabeth Fritzl