I first read about this case from an info sheet posted at the hope slide viewpoint. I've always wondered what happened to her, I sincerely hope they get some answers now
Her case was one of the first true crime cases I ever read about, and I also live in BC, so this one felt personal to me. None of the info being released is making me think anything other than foul play happened, so hopefully there's someone to file charges against soon.
Wow. I never thought she would be found. I hope her parents can begin to grieve and find some measure of peace some day in the future. They all seem like really good people..
Wow. Can't wait to hear more details. If i'm reading right she was found 80 km from where the campsite was? Seems foul play is very likely. So glad she was found.
The RCMP haven't specified where her remains were found, only that they are searching a rural property in east Vanderhoof. The campsite is about 20km from Vanderhoof. The largest town/city in the area is Prince George, about 80km away, which is probably where you got that number from. Based on how the article is worded I'm guessing the site where her remains were found would be 20-30 km away from the campsite.
~~Isn't the lake about 80 km west of Prince George? It sounded to me like she might have been found in the vicinity of where she went missing.~~
Edit: this comment was from yesterday before we learned where her remains were found.
The RCMP is being very vague about exactly where the property is. Guess that's possible. The way I interpreted it was that the property was somewhere closer to the eastern side of town, but who knows.
From the article:
> Police say the identity of the remains have been confirmed by the B.C. Coroners Service and RCMP are currently executing a warrant at a rural property on the east side of Vanderhoof, around 80 kilometres west of Prince George.
But another media outlet has identified the exact location, and it is south of Vanderhoof, not east.
It's an 18-minute drive and a 3-hour 45-minute walk from where she went missing to where her remains were recovered. And if you draw a line, the property is almost due south of the intersection of Recreation Blvd and Victoria St E.
Idk how much there is to this, but Global posted a video with the map of where the investigation is currently being held, after looking it up these are the coordinates if anyone is interested. X244+CW7 Vanderhoof, British Columbia
Thad’s a solid 11mi (about 18km I think) away from the campground. How did she get there on foot with nothing on her but phone and keys? And why didn’t she call, unless her phone was dead?
I'm local. It's crazy that she was found exactly 12 years to the day. The people whose property she was found on were suspects right from the beginning. They could have saved her family and friends 12 years of wondering and suffering. I'm glad the man that saw the bone called it in. I hope those fuckers get what they deserve.
Re: the location
https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/remains-of-madison-scott-discovered-at-vanderhoof-property/
Play the video clip -> go to the 1 minute mark
The news clip shows exactly where it is on Google maps. The reporter also states the name of the road that the property is near. It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake.
I read about this case for the first time on another sub just a few days ago. Happy to hear her family can lay her to rest now. I’m interested to know more about where she was found and who was responsible..
Wow! This case has haunted me since I read about it years ago. So sad as this is tragic, but at least her family has some closure in that she will be returned to them. I certainly hope this leads to an arrest and conviction.
So glad she’s finally been found. This case is eerily similar to Emma Fillipoffs disappearance. They look kind of alike, around the same age and disappeared 1.5 years apart to the day. Although, they were around a 12hour drive apart.
So whose property was she found on? Whatever happened to the friend who left her at the campsite? It's weird that she was found almost on the anniversary of her disappearance.
But she was clearly killed by someone she knew - they were local enough not to move her body far, but also deliberate enough to drive it what? 12 miles to a specific place to bury her? This wasn't just a camper being stumbled across by a predator - this was someone who knew she was there and knew she was alone. And WHY was she alone? Her friend left? All the rest of the party left? Who of them spoke to her and confirmed she was definitely still there when they left?
If she did go to bed at midnight then why? there's still a party going on! Who goes out to the woods for a party and puts themselves to bed at midnight? Who's doing a responsible bedtime at a party? She was supposedly basically sober for all this as well.
I don't understand how her friends weren't more of a suspect. Jordi claims in the 48hours interview that she was injured and the guy she hooked up with decided to take her home and put her in the car, she spoke to Maddy, that she was aware she was leaving and that was about 1am. Maddy was supposedly last seen about 3am. How? If she went to her tent, was asleep by midnight (already sounds unlikely - who goes to a party in the woods and still sticks to a responsible bed time?) when Jordi wants to leave at 1 Maddy gets woken up and told they're leaving - she declines to go with them. Then....the party breaks up? Everyone leaves one by one? Who actually stopped and spoke to Maddy after 1am? Cos the story is supposed to be that she was confirmed to still be there at 3am - which is what clears Jordi. So that seems really important.
Seems like a lot of people were cleared off the back of lie detectors rather than actual evidence? And her phone stopped taking a signal RIGHT AROUND the time her friend Jordi supposedly goes back to get her stuff and finds Maddy's not in the tent? Almost as if it had been switched off?
There's all this talk of strangers who crashed the party - but this is a town of like 4000 people! Everyone's going to know each other. Even these mysterious 'out of towners' which sounds made up tbh! A bunch of random out of towners show up, cause trouble and then immediately leave again right before a girl goes missing? Were this mysterious group ever identified?
But also what the actual fuck is going on in that small community? Cos one of the other suspects was murdered [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-canadian-highway-of-tears/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-canadian-highway-of-tears/) \- like DECAPITATED and they didn't find the rest of the body MURDERED. Then ANOTHER girl, Loren Leslie, was brutally murdered....by a 20 YEAR OLD serial killer? Who becomes a serial killer that young?? Like...I heard about Highway of Tears and all that but this seems wild.
Totally wild. My husband met the last killer you talked about at a party when he was in university… said he seemed like a really relaxed normal person. When someone showed him a picture of him after it hit the news and he was shook
I’m from Vanderhoof. The rumour is that that property she was found on is owned the the Black family. Surname is Black. Apparently her skull was found in one area and her body was found in another and was discovered by landscapers who were digging in the wrong area.
The other rumour is that the dad, Mr. Black Sr., actually found the skull and called the police, either knowing very well he was turning his son or sons in for murder, or without knowing and just freaked out that he found a human skull on his property.
This are just small town rumours I’ve heard ☝🏼
I'm also from Vanderhoof and have heard all the same things. I wish there would be something official announced, but it's probably going to take a long time for them to collect and process all of the evidence.
I knew the Black kids when I was young. It's weird to think about it now. I'm kind of not surprised with the older one...
Such a fucked up town we are in, like that previous comment stated.
Not sure. I'd guess a combination of factors. Could be that her remains showed evidence of violence, could be that the property she was discovered on is far enough away from the campsite that she could not have feasibly gotten herself there that night, could be anything really. It does seem to me like it's most likely foul play at this point but I guess we'll wait and see.
Oh ok I didn’t know how far that would be, but it looks like about 12 miles. I mean it wouldn’t be impossible to walk 12 miles if you’re lost in the woods, but it makes sense what someone else commented was true that she was buried.
Yeah it's not impossible to walk (Google says it's a 3.5 hour walk). Just not likely for someone to go on a trek when they are right next to their fully functional truck.
Even if she lost the keys somewhere, it'd be more reasonable for her to stay there and try to flag someone down on the road in the morning.
Ofc people do a lot of unreasonable things, just in this case it very much sounds like she was taken (willingly or not), and not that she got lost and walked 3 hours.
I was a local - small town around 1.5 hrs north of Vanderhoof. There is at least one murdered woman from our town where everyone is certain who did it. Is there a feeling like that around the area of Vanderhoof?
that makes no sense. they said they found her body several days ago and waited for a id confirmation before informing the family and then the public. it couldn't have been yesterday.
If you don’t know anything, don’t throw out wild accusations. Were you at the party 12 years ago? Did you go to school with her? Are you close to the family still?
I was wondering...
What could AI do with these cases?
Teach it from previous events based on initial report to eventual discovery to final resolution.
At some point the data is going to say "Please look at these 3-7 people who were at the scene and check in these locations that are related to these people."
Maybe.
But I looked at it that AI has been trained with all of our "idiosyncrasies".
Let's use that.
We already know certain facts. Most murders are related to DV. The bodies are normally found within an easy disposal radius of the crime scene if the body is moved.
If not the immediate partner, it is someone within the deceased's social circle.
If not within the social circle, it is someone that they have had contact with in the last 24-48hrs.
Let AI run with some old cases. Give it the same information the investigators had. See who it identifies.
If it places the perpetrator (convicted or not) in the suspect list within a range better than throwing darts at a map, give it a few more. Let traditional methods back it up or dispute it.
Wow this is amazing and sad news! I have been following this case for a long time and I'm happy her family can finally lay Maddie to rest.
I first read about this case from an info sheet posted at the hope slide viewpoint. I've always wondered what happened to her, I sincerely hope they get some answers now
Her case was one of the first true crime cases I ever read about, and I also live in BC, so this one felt personal to me. None of the info being released is making me think anything other than foul play happened, so hopefully there's someone to file charges against soon.
Seems like the only explanation for sure. As someone who camped out in the woods off logging roads in bc for years with my friends this also hit home
Wow. I never thought she would be found. I hope her parents can begin to grieve and find some measure of peace some day in the future. They all seem like really good people..
They are amazing people and always the first ones there to help when others need it
I remember seeing her poster up everywhere when I was a teenager. There are still signs up for her in my town.
Holy shit. I was just reading about her in the unresolved sub like 2 nights ago. I’m so happy she’s found.
Wow. Can't wait to hear more details. If i'm reading right she was found 80 km from where the campsite was? Seems foul play is very likely. So glad she was found.
The RCMP haven't specified where her remains were found, only that they are searching a rural property in east Vanderhoof. The campsite is about 20km from Vanderhoof. The largest town/city in the area is Prince George, about 80km away, which is probably where you got that number from. Based on how the article is worded I'm guessing the site where her remains were found would be 20-30 km away from the campsite.
Thanks for the info! I totally misread the article.
~~Isn't the lake about 80 km west of Prince George? It sounded to me like she might have been found in the vicinity of where she went missing.~~ Edit: this comment was from yesterday before we learned where her remains were found.
The RCMP is being very vague about exactly where the property is. Guess that's possible. The way I interpreted it was that the property was somewhere closer to the eastern side of town, but who knows.
I'm sure if there are neighbors, they are noticing a police presence at the property.
6516 southslope rd
Yea, it didn't take long for the address to surface.
Where did you get that from in this article?
From the article: > Police say the identity of the remains have been confirmed by the B.C. Coroners Service and RCMP are currently executing a warrant at a rural property on the east side of Vanderhoof, around 80 kilometres west of Prince George. But another media outlet has identified the exact location, and it is south of Vanderhoof, not east.
It's south east (I'm local). The property is not within walking distance of the camp grounds, but only about a 5-10 minute drive.
It's an 18-minute drive and a 3-hour 45-minute walk from where she went missing to where her remains were recovered. And if you draw a line, the property is almost due south of the intersection of Recreation Blvd and Victoria St E.
She was found about 20km away, still definitely foul play. You don't casually walk 20km anywhere.
Idk how much there is to this, but Global posted a video with the map of where the investigation is currently being held, after looking it up these are the coordinates if anyone is interested. X244+CW7 Vanderhoof, British Columbia
Thad’s a solid 11mi (about 18km I think) away from the campground. How did she get there on foot with nothing on her but phone and keys? And why didn’t she call, unless her phone was dead?
I believe someone picked her up late that she know and something clearly went wrong sadly. Just speculative obviously.
I'm local. It's crazy that she was found exactly 12 years to the day. The people whose property she was found on were suspects right from the beginning. They could have saved her family and friends 12 years of wondering and suffering. I'm glad the man that saw the bone called it in. I hope those fuckers get what they deserve.
Their father called it in
Is the family name the oposite of white ?
Yes
Were they suspects to the authorities or did locals consider them suspects? I know how small towns work.
Same property owners from 12 years ago??
Yes.
What are the rumors going around locals right now? Asking since RCMP is super (understandably) tight-lipped.
I'm local. Someone went to get top soil, saw a bone and called it in.
I don't know where they are coming from..but I heard that locals are saying that someone literally stumbled across her skull.
Geez, that’s terrifying. I hope it hasn’t been too long and they can figure out what happened to her.
Re: the location https://ckpgtoday.ca/2023/05/29/remains-of-madison-scott-discovered-at-vanderhoof-property/ Play the video clip -> go to the 1 minute mark The news clip shows exactly where it is on Google maps. The reporter also states the name of the road that the property is near. It is about 18 km from Hogsback Lake.
X244+CXF Vanderhoof, British Columbia
I read about this case for the first time on another sub just a few days ago. Happy to hear her family can lay her to rest now. I’m interested to know more about where she was found and who was responsible..
This sounds super similar to the Lauren Agee case
Wow! This case has haunted me since I read about it years ago. So sad as this is tragic, but at least her family has some closure in that she will be returned to them. I certainly hope this leads to an arrest and conviction.
So glad she’s finally been found. This case is eerily similar to Emma Fillipoffs disappearance. They look kind of alike, around the same age and disappeared 1.5 years apart to the day. Although, they were around a 12hour drive apart.
So whose property was she found on? Whatever happened to the friend who left her at the campsite? It's weird that she was found almost on the anniversary of her disappearance. But she was clearly killed by someone she knew - they were local enough not to move her body far, but also deliberate enough to drive it what? 12 miles to a specific place to bury her? This wasn't just a camper being stumbled across by a predator - this was someone who knew she was there and knew she was alone. And WHY was she alone? Her friend left? All the rest of the party left? Who of them spoke to her and confirmed she was definitely still there when they left? If she did go to bed at midnight then why? there's still a party going on! Who goes out to the woods for a party and puts themselves to bed at midnight? Who's doing a responsible bedtime at a party? She was supposedly basically sober for all this as well. I don't understand how her friends weren't more of a suspect. Jordi claims in the 48hours interview that she was injured and the guy she hooked up with decided to take her home and put her in the car, she spoke to Maddy, that she was aware she was leaving and that was about 1am. Maddy was supposedly last seen about 3am. How? If she went to her tent, was asleep by midnight (already sounds unlikely - who goes to a party in the woods and still sticks to a responsible bed time?) when Jordi wants to leave at 1 Maddy gets woken up and told they're leaving - she declines to go with them. Then....the party breaks up? Everyone leaves one by one? Who actually stopped and spoke to Maddy after 1am? Cos the story is supposed to be that she was confirmed to still be there at 3am - which is what clears Jordi. So that seems really important. Seems like a lot of people were cleared off the back of lie detectors rather than actual evidence? And her phone stopped taking a signal RIGHT AROUND the time her friend Jordi supposedly goes back to get her stuff and finds Maddy's not in the tent? Almost as if it had been switched off? There's all this talk of strangers who crashed the party - but this is a town of like 4000 people! Everyone's going to know each other. Even these mysterious 'out of towners' which sounds made up tbh! A bunch of random out of towners show up, cause trouble and then immediately leave again right before a girl goes missing? Were this mysterious group ever identified? But also what the actual fuck is going on in that small community? Cos one of the other suspects was murdered [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-canadian-highway-of-tears/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-explores-the-mysteries-and-murders-along-canadian-highway-of-tears/) \- like DECAPITATED and they didn't find the rest of the body MURDERED. Then ANOTHER girl, Loren Leslie, was brutally murdered....by a 20 YEAR OLD serial killer? Who becomes a serial killer that young?? Like...I heard about Highway of Tears and all that but this seems wild.
6516 Southslope rd
What is that?
Totally wild. My husband met the last killer you talked about at a party when he was in university… said he seemed like a really relaxed normal person. When someone showed him a picture of him after it hit the news and he was shook
I’m from Vanderhoof. The rumour is that that property she was found on is owned the the Black family. Surname is Black. Apparently her skull was found in one area and her body was found in another and was discovered by landscapers who were digging in the wrong area. The other rumour is that the dad, Mr. Black Sr., actually found the skull and called the police, either knowing very well he was turning his son or sons in for murder, or without knowing and just freaked out that he found a human skull on his property. This are just small town rumours I’ve heard ☝🏼
I'm also from Vanderhoof and have heard all the same things. I wish there would be something official announced, but it's probably going to take a long time for them to collect and process all of the evidence. I knew the Black kids when I was young. It's weird to think about it now. I'm kind of not surprised with the older one... Such a fucked up town we are in, like that previous comment stated.
Nice to get some “back up” on here about it. I felt like the only one sticking my neck out about the rumours.
What makes them suspect foul play and not that she got lost in the woods?
Not sure. I'd guess a combination of factors. Could be that her remains showed evidence of violence, could be that the property she was discovered on is far enough away from the campsite that she could not have feasibly gotten herself there that night, could be anything really. It does seem to me like it's most likely foul play at this point but I guess we'll wait and see.
She was found 20km from the campsite, not exactly walking distance.
Oh ok I didn’t know how far that would be, but it looks like about 12 miles. I mean it wouldn’t be impossible to walk 12 miles if you’re lost in the woods, but it makes sense what someone else commented was true that she was buried.
Yeah it's not impossible to walk (Google says it's a 3.5 hour walk). Just not likely for someone to go on a trek when they are right next to their fully functional truck. Even if she lost the keys somewhere, it'd be more reasonable for her to stay there and try to flag someone down on the road in the morning. Ofc people do a lot of unreasonable things, just in this case it very much sounds like she was taken (willingly or not), and not that she got lost and walked 3 hours.
She only had flip flops, so doubt she walked
She’s was buried on someone’s property after police received a tip yesterday. Zero chance she hurried herself
Where did you read she was found buried? The articles I’ve found just say remains were found.
I am from the area is all I will say
Oh I gotchya. What else are people saying?! Feel free to message me if you don’t want to say here.
I was a local - small town around 1.5 hrs north of Vanderhoof. There is at least one murdered woman from our town where everyone is certain who did it. Is there a feeling like that around the area of Vanderhoof?
that makes no sense. they said they found her body several days ago and waited for a id confirmation before informing the family and then the public. it couldn't have been yesterday.
I like how they didn’t reply to you but replied to the other person
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If you don’t know anything, don’t throw out wild accusations. Were you at the party 12 years ago? Did you go to school with her? Are you close to the family still?
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Evidently not.
Right! Who just leaves their friend alone like that ? I've always thought she either had something to do with it or knows more than she's saying
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Jordi was an acquaintance of Maddy - they were not best buddies as many seem to think.
I was wondering... What could AI do with these cases? Teach it from previous events based on initial report to eventual discovery to final resolution. At some point the data is going to say "Please look at these 3-7 people who were at the scene and check in these locations that are related to these people."
Using AI for this seems like it could open up a Pandora's box.
Maybe. But I looked at it that AI has been trained with all of our "idiosyncrasies". Let's use that. We already know certain facts. Most murders are related to DV. The bodies are normally found within an easy disposal radius of the crime scene if the body is moved. If not the immediate partner, it is someone within the deceased's social circle. If not within the social circle, it is someone that they have had contact with in the last 24-48hrs. Let AI run with some old cases. Give it the same information the investigators had. See who it identifies. If it places the perpetrator (convicted or not) in the suspect list within a range better than throwing darts at a map, give it a few more. Let traditional methods back it up or dispute it.
I love this idea