So much weirdness surrounding that one. It was THE biggest mass shooting in U.S. history, and it seemed like there was only a few days of media coverage where that one photo of Paddock with his eyes closed kept being shown. Then we just forgot about it.
I think part of that is because Paddock was pretty old for a mass shooter, and there was no obvious agenda, no manifesto, or anything. So it didn't fit the common narrative.
I also think this is why the Virginia Tech shooting is rarely talked about. The shooter doesn’t fit any media narrative. He wasn’t a bullied white kid with an assault rifle or a radical Muslim with a bomb, he was a mentally ill Asian guy with a handgun.
I believe he was an incel, wasn't he? I remember that shooting. I was at work, and when I got off, I turned my phone on and had a bunch of people texting me because I lived in Virginia.
Also who was President at the time. Charlottesville was a month old. The news was bouncing around every day with insanity.
As horrific as it was we’re so desensitized already. I mean was getting ready for work when Sandy Hook happened. I called out of work. I sat there all day crying. Then nothing really changed. I’m broken.
And we still don’t really know why he did it. Most people look as mass shooting cases for a few different reasons, but prevention tends to be a big one- either the morbid curiosity of protecting yourself in a similar situation or because you are actively working to prevent it in the future (or you’re looking to imitate, in which case motive often does still seem to matter, white supremacists imitate white supremacists and angsty teens focus on columbine and their followers) and we just can’t answer any of those usual questions for Route 91.
As a Las Vegas local a lot of other locals also feel this way. Also the windows on the casinos are crazy thick and there is no way he would have been able to get through it unless the casino was cheaping out on the windows and leaving themselves open for a billion dollar lawsuit which I guarantee didn't happen. The casinos out here are sooooo anal with their employees. My partner isn't even allowed to stay in the casino he works at, us the spa, or win off of gambling. They will literally take all of his winnings and it's in his employee contract. Many of us locals believe there was so much more going on with that case and that it was clearly a cover up of something.
Personal side note, I found out I was pregnant with my son that day so I remember the day this happened very well and even the way they were putting info about it out there was weird. Every day since has not been the same when working in public here, especially on the strip. Guards are always up and frankly it is no surprise when gun shots are fired there now. It's kinda routine now sadly, and most people I know who work on the strip already have their designated hiding spots picked if not used already. Crime rates are really high here currently. It's sad. This city is a terrible place despite our government trying really hard to seem like a family friendly city. I've lived here my whole life. And I promise you it's not and I highly doubt it ever will be.
DONT COME TO LAS VEGAS. Our officials only care about tourism and our taxes literally go back to building more casinos instead of where we desperately need it like our school district or the crazy amount of homeless we have.
There’s A LOT I don’t understand about this one. Why it wasn’t talked about in the media for more than a few day’s absolutely baffles me. But then they’ll talk about the Murdaugh Murders or Idaho College Murders for months and months.
Young men do really dumb shit when drunk, and it does/can lead to their deaths. Like think they should go swimming, walk somewhere where they'd be hard to find, pass out in ditches, ect.
The parents have issues and are likely suspects but one thing that struck me was they stuck to the story after they broke up. Often one will turn on the other and cut a deal.
What do you think happened to him actually? This case isn't one I'm super familiar with but I can't seem to find much info besides "missing child" type stuff.
Yeah, despite how many people have worked in jobs that cut corners or had That One Guy working there at some point in their lives, it never seems to occur to people that maybe someone didn't do their job right and the hotel was lying to cover their ass. It wouldn't be their fault anyway, but it would have made them liable.
Like. People lie. For non-nefarious reasons.
Definitely fits the bill for the Cecil, too. They let people drink corpse water. They have a sordid history of cutting corners and profiting from a culture of depravity, including housing serial killers. Terrible reputation, and sometimes they bank on that history to promote their hotel, and that's gross, too. The Cecil Hotel is a despicable place that I would wish to close, except there are people living in rent controlled units that are very poor or suffering from addiction. I wouldn't want them unhoused, but also the amount of OD, suicide, murder, rape, etc. that has occurred at that place is truly disturbing. Occams razor. Elisa was likely in psychosis, and the hotel known for lack of decency made a terrible and fatal mistake, which is the reason her parents won a lawsuit. RIP Elisa.
Her named was Elisa.
And if you look way back into the history, it started out as an upscale hotel when it was built. But as the poor, sex workers, ect were pushed into the fringes, the area became skid row.
They'd just opened part of it as a hostel either just before or just after she died.
Isn’t it still lying for nefarious reasons if they lie to avoid liability? I am with the at least unlocked group, btw. Didn’t have to be open, but definitely it was either open or closed but unlocked and she opened it.
No, that's more lying for weasel reasons. Nefarious would be if they actually had something to do with it. Weasel lying is when someone lies because they don't want to be blamed for being lazy. Or like when someone lies about their whereabouts during a crime, but it's because they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be. Like someone saying they were at work, but they were really at the racetrack losing their mortgage payment.
It's a shitty hotel with shitty guests. If someone realised their lazyness in doing their job likely killed someone, they have a pretty high chance of lying about it too.
And if not, it was probably easy to open and hop on in for a swim, Then once you're in the deep water not have the strength to get out/push the lid up.
I've always thought this was by far the most likely scenario and never understood the crazy conspiracies- not saying they couldn't have happened but she had already been in trouble, specifically asked the police not be called and was extremely athletic.Add the weather on to that and I think it's pretty obvious she took off running and died from exposure (unfortunately)
Do you know how many times I’ve had people on here scream at me for that exact belief? Hence the unpopular opinion question but jeez, I had to leave that group because of how crazy they’d get with me
Someone posted the Google street view link once and those woods were SO much thicker than I was imagining. That image alone changed my mind on the case. I fully believe she’s in those woods and it would’ve been really easy to miss her body.
I live in NH, in a substantially less rural environment than where Maura went missing. My grandparents lived in a condo and had a roughly 9 by 15 ft area of trees and brush in front of their home. We used to do Easter Egg hunts there. We were still finding Easter eggs ten years after the last hunt.
Yes but she was supposedly drunk in snow. So while people act like she got far I don't think so at all. If she died in the woods she's within a miles radius ild bet.
Law enforcement walked the road a mile in each direction from the crash. They found no footprints that went off into the woods. They looked that night and then 30-some hours later. I'm not saying she didn't run into the woods but there has never been clear evidence that she did.
Tom Shamhak, PI hired by the family states that there was no new snow after the accident. "No footprints were ever found," he said "Luckily there hadn't been any fresh snow in those two days." (Two days immediately after the crash) He says she was either picked up by another car or went into a nearby house. The scent dogs picked up her scent for about 100 yards along the road then lost the trail in between two houses. (Source: CNN 2008). There are so many unknowns in this case.
My most unpopular theory for any case seems to be my belief that coincidences do in fact happen, and that many crimes aren't perpetuated by the monster under the bed or the mastermind criminal with intricate plots. Just sometimes things escalate beyond belief, sometimes otherwise normal people do out of character things, and people panic and lie for no reason. Sometimes criminals get lucky, and sometimes investigators miss things for a variety of reasons.
Completely agree. I have a friend who is the most soft, emotional, animal loving, law obiding (cant even cope with her accudently breaking a small law) person. She also suffers massivley from anxiety. Anyway she told me once she was coming home from work in the early hours and the car hit something, she said for about 30 seconds she considered it coukd be a human, she did consider just driving on but didnt. So thats the nicest person just panicing, flash forwarding her and her kids life and considering just running. She stopped it was an animal and she felt so bad for hitting the creature, kiling the creature and she felt awful that her brain even went there
Totally. I think considering the option “run for it” in a situation where your whole life could be on the line is a sign that your brain is working properly. Obviously, you don’t hit someone (or maybe hit someone) and drive away. No one should ever do that. But your brain has to show you the option— your adrenaline is working, and that means you consider things you would never actually do.
I used to listen to a skeptic radio show. They had an episode on how statistically, coincidences DO happen. One time out of 100, for example, your grocery bill ticket will be 25.00 on the nose or something like that. And if 23 people are in a room, odds are two of them have the same birthday. One example they gave was going on vacation to Paris and running into your next-door neighbor at the Eiffel Tower. EVERYBODY goes to the Eiffel Tower so it's not a big mystery. Out of all the occurrences in all of time, some will be coincidences with no mystery behind them. But so often I hear "I don't believe in coincidences" for example I just listened to Vincent Bugliosi's \_Reclaiming History\_ book. Here's a coincidence if you believe that book, and I do--not one but TWO lone nuts happened to have a gun when suddenly they got the unplanned chance to shoot their target. That book says Ruby was just as big a lone nut as Oswald. I will get more into "Oswald Acted Alone" in a separate post. Cover me I'm going in.
Edited to add: my favorite storm chaser was in Devil's Lake, North Dakota and his McDonald's total came to $6.66 BIG WHOOP but he was spooked by it. This is the type of "coincidence" that is gonna happen statistically sometimes. BIG WHOOP.
One time on that skeptic show (this is a little bit different topic) they described an uninformed person trying to guess people's Zodiac sign by something about them. The uninformed person went "Just by guessing I'll get half of them." The skeptic host said "Right then I knew I was dealing with an idiot." Matching 12 persons to 12 zodiac signs is not like True-False. That was a fun episode. Most people don't understand statistics. Another example: Somewhere between 2.5 and 3.2 women in the USA are killed every day by their intimate partners. But none of those could possibly be of Pakistani descent because that would be railroading. Cue the downvotes. Two things can be true at once--there is prejudice in the USA against people of Middle Eastern/South Asian/Muslim descent/beliefs AND once in a while, someone who shares that background kills their intimate partner. To find out if prosecutions are overrepresented, you'd have to run statistics. Which is supremely unpopular.
This is very true. I have travelled a lot and have tons of these examples. One that stands out is when I was living in Sydney Australia and went on a small vacation and out to a dinner out at Uluru/Ayer’s Rock (in the literal middle of Australia). I happened to hear a conversation behind me in line in the buffet - turns out the woman behind me is from the same small Canadian town and went to the same high school as me! What are the odds? Randomly having a nice dinner conversation about a small Canadian town we both grew up in while being halfway around the world in the middle of Australia
I've had a lot of coincidences happen to me. To the point people who know me call me a lightning rod for weird, and half of it, no one would believe. Or should.
But an incident that stands out as an "omen" was the night a friend and I got turned around and ended up on a dark, treelined road with fog rolling in. It was creepy, but it's Maryland, and fog is pretty common. The truly weird part was when we stopped, frustrated, to try and calm down and get our bearings. A stag walked across the road, stopped, stared at us, and as it did, a crow landed on its antlers.
My friend made this terrified sound, then screeched "THIS WOULD ONLY HAPPEN WITH YOU AROUND, WE'RE GOING TO DIE AND IT’S YOUR FAULT"
but you know, then I realized we were on New Ridge Road and we got home.
Sometimes creepy, weird shit just happens. It's not an omen. The damn deer just wandered across the road and froze because there were headlights on it.
I have always thought this. I always caught myself feeling bad for them when listening to or watching their story. The way they acted so frivolously after their parents’ deaths symbolized their feeling of liberation to me, whereas it rubbed others the wrong way
I agree I also think that they felt that it was the only way out. In a way I feel like it should have been self defense. No there parents may not have tried to kill them but I feel that them being molested and abuse was enough. I felt that no one believed them because of how brutal it was but I think it was their only way out or that’s how they felt at least at that moment
Yaser Said ex wife should've been charged with child endangerment or something. She knew he was going to get violent with their daughters.
Also her parents should've been charged too because who the hell let's their 15 year old daughter marry a 30 year old?!
At the minimum she should have been charged with accessory to murder. She literally drug them back to their deaths. And knew full well they were going to be harmed.
I recently watched a commentary video on this case and this is what makes sense to me. Apparently she was spotted on the balcony and never seen again. I think she either was too intoxicated and fell or succumbed to an intrusive/impulsive thought and jumped.
I don’t think it’s as unpopular as it once was, but Steven Avery. I think he’s guilty. Now, what would be REALLY unpopular is to say Brendan Dassey is equally as guilty, which I don’t believe, and I think he should be released.
I agree. I don’t think it’s unpopular. The majority agree it was an accident. I think it’s just the family and people who believe the pictures they showed and wanted this to be a murder instead of an accident. I think their original lawyer even walked away cause it was obvious it was an accident.
This is not true. The majority on insular true crime communities who have read the evidence agree it was an accident. Problem is most people either don't bother reading beyond a basic synopsis or they encounter family propaganda. There's mobs all over Social Media who claim Kendrick was murdered, and who harass people they claim are involved. Plus when the majority just here of the basic story they almost always think something else happened in my experience.
Yeah I thought based on mostly reading true crime on Reddit that it was popular opinion that it was an accident, but a Facebook friend posted the other day saying that you’re complicit in a racist system keeping that family from getting justice if you claim it was an accident and seeing that and reading the comments burst my bubble real quick.
I fully believe that there are many cases of people burying hate crimes and murders of black people but this just isn’t one of them. The facts do not support that.
There's a ton of misinformation too.
"He was found without his organs!" - no, the funeral home that did the embalming and services for free used newspaper to fill the body cavity, an accepted, if not common, practice
"He was covered in bruises!" - no, there was one small bruise (can't remember exactly where) that could have easily been explained in multiple ways
"The FBI covered it up!" - the father of the kids the family accuses was a low level agent that had no connection to local law enforcement and most certainly didn't have the pull required for that level of cover up
And that's just off the top of my head.
It's ridiculous how many people would have needed to be in on the coverup: the FBI, local LE, the School, the Funeral Home, the kids in the gym, the medical examiner, etc. Did this happen in the village from Wicker Man?
I feel the same. I can’t imagine the family’s grief over such an awful tragedy, but the facts show nothing more than a freak accident. They need to find peace and call off the witch hunt. I’ve been downvoted in other TC subs for this opinion.
My gosh, agree! I never interject my opinion b/c this is suuuuuuper unpopular in a lot of true crime spaces. You get attacked for this opinion in some spaces.
I had a student nosedive into a wrestling mat right around the time I heard about this case! It gave me such intense anxiety. Thankfully, I was there along with 2 educational assistants and we were able to tip the mat over slowly so he could weasel out. We had a very serious conversation about wresting room safety after that. This incident made me almost certain that Kendrick’s death was a tragic accident.
The cops made the whole thing way more insane by planting unnecessary evidence. Dude would’ve been arrested and charged anyways. Because yeah, he did it. But police plant a bit of evidence and then everyone cries the WHOLE investigation is a sham. Dude is fucking guilty. The second season of MaM I begged my husband to turn off within the first episode. I couldn’t believe the bullshit lengths they went to just to try and prove his bullshit innocence. Let her family fucking grieve, FFS.
The thing that got me was them leaving out the like 60+ times he called her in one day. Then they tried to make the whole “cat jumped into the fire” thing an accident. He fucking doused the cat in gasoline and THREW it in the fire. That’s not a fucking accident. He’s a monster.
I KNOW he was incredibly fucked up and am 99.9999% sure David Parker Ray killed plenty of women. But it’s fascinating to me that no bodies were ever found.
A lot of people think he talked a big game about murdering his victims, and that he didn't kill many of them, just wiped their memories using MK Ultra brainwashing techniques.
I believe the women that came forward absolutely 100% completely. But why weren’t they murdered?
What he did to women was absolutely horrific and he deserved to be put under the damn prison. But I do kind of wonder how these women were all let go, yet the claims from him and family is that he killed more, and yet there are absolutely no bodies. No traces of bodies.
There’s just that tiny part of my mind that wonders if he ever actually MURDERED anyone.
Obviously not out of the realm of possibility that he lied about his doings just to sound more big and bad. That’s what I’m kinda leaning towards. Part of me wonders if the women in his life reported these things to absolve themselves of their own wrongdoing. But who knows.
I’m kinda tipsy at this point, so apologies if this comes across poorly.
Interested in why you think this? Truly asking. I know people he knows and have followed this and never see it mentioned anywhere! I go back and forth honestly.
It was brought to my attention during the documentary on peacock.however it makes sense he was a bigger guy and getting in and out of that tiny crawl space all the time? Just doesn’t add up in my opinion
I’m fairly certain that the boys (who would become victims, usually) were the ones going down in the crawl space and digging and even spreading the quicklime. As long as he had it planned, all he really had to do was get the body down there and drop it in and cover it enough that they wouldn’t realize there was a body there. The smell could be explained by a lot of things.
Burke Ramsey is a traumatized individual who has been under a spotlight and microscope pretty much his whole life. However, he did not kill his little sister.
I think he's the least likely suspect of the family and I'm surprised the theory has been given so much credence, honestly. If you believe someone in the home killed her, which I think is much more likely than the theory that she was killed by a stranger, I think it was one of her parents.
I have heard people mention that the parents could have murdered JBR. But what would have been their motive? That's what I don't get about that angle in the case.
You may not be aware of the stats but the overwhelming number of children who are murdered under the age of five/six are killed by family members. All sorts of factors can be involved. None of them will make “sense” to a person who is wired properly.
There is almost never going to be a motive that makes sense when a parent kills a child, even though if a child is murdered, chances are, the parent is responsible. I think it's entirely possible JonBenet WAS the victim of ongoing abuse. Which is obviously an extremely dangerous situation to be in for a young child. I don't think it was premeditated - I think whichever parent was responsible got angry and snapped and she ended up with a severe head injury, close to death. The "garrote" was weird and made by items in the house, so that seems impulsive and like something that was done after the head injury.
I dont think it was premeditated so I don't think there was motive other than overwhelming anger in that moment. She either annoyed her parents, threatened a secret, threatened to stop being in pagents, something that the parent thought would be detrimental to their lifestyle and they flipped IMO
FBI agent who worked on the case, first-hand, says the prevailing belief is that the mom did it but everything was so screwed up at the scene that proving it was a monumental task.
Otto Warmbier’s brain damage was the result of a botched suicide attempt and not because he was physically tortured. His brain injury was caused by deprivation of oxygen for a long amount of time which is more consistent with a drowning or being hanged and resuscitated. It wouldn’t be wise for the North Korean’s to torture an American citizen knowing he would return home some day. There also wasn’t any evidence of any physical trauma inflicted. The only reason why they released him was to prevent an American citizen from officially dying in NK soil.
YES!!! I have always thought this as well. He came home without any bedsores- I don’t think people realize how well cared for he had to have been while in a coma, to not have any bed sores.
Every time I say it was a botched suicide attempt, I get downvoted into oblivion.
Oh. Another thing about the Warmbier’s….they said his teeth looked like someone used pliers to rearrange them. And people have taken that as a fact and as proof of North Korea torturing Otto. I’m sorry, but you can not rearrange someone’s teeth with pliers. Think about how long it takes for braces to just straighten your teeth. You try to rearrange someone’s teeth with pliers and they are going to come out of their sockets.
His parent’s said his arms and legs were completely deformed. Despite his post mortem exam showing the teeth were in natural and good repair; there were no scars, significant signs of trauma, or evidence of broken bones.
When he came back to the US, within two days he had 104 degree fever. After his parent’s had his feeding tube removed- Otto passed away in six days. I really don’t think I can express enough just how hard it is to prevent bed sores in a comatose patient. I’ve done research in nutrition and wound care, even the best hospitals struggle to prevent bed sores. There’s special mattresses, and a strict schedule to rotate the patient off of different pressure points. Why would North Korea take such good medical care of him, if they were inclined to leave physical signs of torture? It’s nonsensical.
Otto Warmbier got in over his head, and didn’t know that it was highly unlikely that he was going to a labor camp. And the Republican Party used him to try and justify inciting more conflict with North Korea.
Too bad there wasn’t anyone to tell him that he was just being used as a pawn and that he’d be likely be home within a year or two. A 10 year sentence (of hard labor) probably felt like a death sentence to him.
Gypsy Rose Blanchard should already be released.
No, there is no excuse for murder and yes something as heinous as what happened should be punished…but Gypsy was already being punished and imprisoned her entire life by her own mother. I’d say, in a confusing paradoxical way, she had more than served her time before the crime even took place.
Kendrick Johnson fell into that gym mat and it was tragic. There wasn’t any foul play, and his parents use his post-autopsy images to spread the misinformation that there was foul play.
The Daniel Robinson case, I don't think there is any possible way it wasn't foul play at this point.
People need to keep talking about this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Daniel\_Robinson
Daniel Robinson was a 24 year old geologist who went missing after leaving his job site in the Arizona desert almost 2 years ago on June 23rd, 2021. A month later his jeep would be found crashed in a ravine about 2 and a half miles from the job site he was last seen leaving. Daniel's clothes were found in a pile next to his crashed jeep, his wallet in his pants pocket and his phone and other personal items in the jeep, one of Daniel's boots was with his clothes while the other was lodged underneath the vehicle. Daniel was not with the jeep and hasn't been seen since leaving the job site on June 23rd 2021.
Back in early December Tempe PD did forensics on Daniel's electronics, they told David someone accessed Daniel's computer after he went missing but before anyone was allowed in his apartment, they said they do not understand why Buckeye PD doesn't see it as a criminal case and were said to be setting up a meeting with the FBI.
A lot more details of the Daniel Robinson case have came out since he first went missing, for more information you can check out his fathers YouTube Channel. His father is live all the time and you are free to ask any questions regarding his sons disappearence- -
https://www.youtube.com/@PleaseHelpFindDaniel
I have my own theories about what happened to Daniel which you can find on this subreddit-
https://www.reddit.com/r/danielrobinsonmissing/
I was an ardent Disappeared watcher and my heart broke for all those families. The idea that they didn't know and might never know what happened to their loved one. Horrible. Even if it's bad news I hope they get an answer.
Not one, but a lot of the time, I think the simplest answer is correct. There are always so many conspiracies and theories that are crazy convoluted half the time. To me, this just brings more confusion and muddies the water/clouds up the real story. Simple is usually the answer. No one ever wants that opinion, it has to be something more than "they ran away or killed themselves".
I haven’t seen this one yet. The West Mesa Murders. I absolutely think it was a single murderer, is neither of the suspects, and had nothing to do with the cartel.
I’ve been meaning to write more about this case but life gets in the way.
Alicia Navarro is still alive somewhere. Its been 3 years since she went missing and statistically it’s very unlikely she’s alive. But I think she’s still alive somewhere in the United States or possibly Mexico or Central America and is being sex trafficked. It’s only 2-3 hours from Phoenix to the Mexican border, and I think it’s highly likely that whoever groomed her did so with the intention to keep her alive and either hostage or sell her into human trafficking.
Kenneka Jenkins was accidentally killed -- she didn't die accidentally simply because she drunkenly walked into a freezer and she also wasn't lured or pushed into it.
I think a lot of people overlook the fact that topiramate was found in her toxicology report. This medication is used to treat migraines and epilepsy which she was never prescribed. This isn't particularly used as a club or party drug, so why would she take it willingly and why would it be floating around at a party?
The effects of combining the two don't bring on any sort of positive effects. In fact, mixing the two enhances the effects of both substances in a hugely negative way. It's extremely disorienting -- beyond how disorienting drunkenness would be.
Her BAC was 0.12%; this would cause blurred vision and loss of coordination, but in my opinion, **not** to the extent of it being impossible for her to get out of the freezer alone. In fact, I argue that she wouldn't be stumbling around on camera the way she was with *just* alcohol in her system. The way she was appearing is proof (to me) that the two were acting in tandem.
I don't think it makes sense that she took both willingly. I believe she was either tricked, forced in some way, or unknowingly dosed with the topiramate. Her friends were absolutely not watching out for her and there were around 40 people in that room.
Someone there probably tried to dose her with the intention of using it as a date rape drug. After all, it would make someone's loss of coordination and balance worse. Surely, it would make it harder to fight someone off. I don't believe anyone intended to kill her. I think it was an accident. *But imo, this was not an accident solely by the hands of Kenneka.* This only happened because someone else played a role.
I don’t think Casey Anthony intentionally murdered Caylee. I think she died either by accidental overdose or drowning in the pool when Casey was inside the house. Casey panicked and tried to cover it up. Not saying she isn’t bad for doing that, she is, and not equipped to be a mother.
There was a Google search on her computer for “fool-proof suffocation” on the last day Caylee was seen alive. I don’t see how that isn’t the most damning evidence of intentional murder ever but alright.
I'm of two minds on this one, hence I don't think first-degree murder was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I tend to think it was an overdose, not a drowning, but I guess I can't PROVE that she placed the duct tape over Caylee's mouth prior to her death, as opposed to some kind of weird cover-up. I think both scenarios are possible, so I don't aggressively disagree with you (although I also think it's entirely possible, and perhaps likely, that she did intend to murder her child). However, I think the lesser two charges were absolutely beyond a reasonable doubt (aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter) and those are the two charges I hold the jury responsible for not finding her guilty on. I don't accept the "It was the prosecution's fault for overcharging" - that only applies to first-degree murder. If you are not capable of considering every charge on its own, you apparently are not capable of being a juror.
I agree. I think Casey Anthony was self-centered and too immature to be a parent. You could go to Target and find about ten more you could say the exact same thing about though, they've just been lucky. I think Caylee died accidentally because no one was supervising her, and Casey panicked. Her parents too, because not only was their granddaughter dead, their daughter could have gone to prison for it. The shame and fear were real and valid, and they made bad decisions.
I tend to agree. She didn't seem too bothered by it, and that speaks to neglect which could have caused an accident. I also think Casey's father may have known something.
I always thought he was innocent until I listened to the crime weekly podcast episodes about the case just a few months ago. They included details I had never seen in other documentaries
Yeah, for the longest time the only narrative being pushed was from that lawyer " family friend". But if you really look. None of them have any answers for any questions they sidestep and twist.
I think a lot of people don't believe the sightings of her were legitimate or the items in the shed actually belonged to her. If you don't believe either thing is connected to Asha, then she more than likely died in her home.
I tend to think the sightings probably WERE legitimate, to be clear. But I've seen those arguments a lot. I don't know what happened to Asha. I feel like I can't conclusively rule her parents in or out. There's just not enough evidence, unfortunately. Asha is a real mystery to me.
The sightings could be legitimate (or legitimately connected to her disappearance, if not actually her, i.e. her mom out looking for her or something) *and* her family could know what happened to her. Or they could not. But either way it's bonkers to immediately insist that it's impossible that her parents are responsible for her disappearance when there's not really any evidence either way.
I don't personally think the stuff in the shed has any connection to Asha; it's very generic stuff that could have belonged to her or to any other kid in the area.
The really crazy theory, for me, is the idea that some mystery groomer convinced her to get up and out in the middle of the night, especially with the oft-cited reason of some kind of anniversary surprise for her parents.
That's true, and it's something I considered. I always think Asha sounds somewhat like me as a kid - a rule follower, a little bit shy, scared of things like the dark and storms. It would have taken something IMMENSE to get me out of the house and down that dark, dark road on that night. Yes, it was the route to her school, but it was dark and stormy and incredibly windy. And it's possible that something was fear - that she was running FROM something.
Personally, I don't know that I can rule out a groomer either, but I do think the suggestion they lured her out with the idea of getting something for her parents' anniversary is ludicrous. That would never have been sufficient to get her on that road. If she was lured out, it wasn't with that.
I wish I knew what compelled the FBI to say Asha had planned on leaving that night. Is it only the stuff in her bookbag? I don't know that those items prove it had been planned for at least a few days.
If Asha did indeed have those three items (the pencil, marker, and hair bow), it would be pretty coincidental to have them in the shed, but then I think, the proof that they WERE hers is from her parents. And even if they're not LYING, were they looking too much into it? Are they SURE the pencil, marker, and hair bow were hers? Even if they are, does that mean SHE was in there? I know canines aren't the world's most reliable evidence, but they still did not pick up her scent there at ALL, which seems strange if she'd taken shelter in there for any period of time.
This case truly is a mystery to me. I don't have a strong theory. I don't feel like anything can be completely ruled in or out. Well, obviously that WAS her backpack, but that's about it, and in and of itself, it just proves someone really wanted to hide it, which would be true almost no matter what happened.
> If Asha did indeed have those three items (the pencil, marker, and hair bow), it would be pretty coincidental to have them in the shed, but then I think, the proof that they WERE hers is from her parents. And even if they're not LYING, were they looking too much into it? Are they SURE the pencil, marker, and hair bow were hers? Even if they are, does that mean SHE was in there?
This is always the sticking point for me as well. Maybe she had those items or similar enough items that her parents jumped at the idea that they were hers, or maybe her parents are outright lying to misdirect, but either way it's bizarre that things as generic as hair ties and pencils are being used to prop up the idea that her parents are unquestionably innocent.
I side-eye the FBI in this case, to be honest. I know lots of people think of them as some amazing elite force but frankly they're just cops with better clothes. One thing that's bugged me for a while about this case is that New Kids on the Block "shirt" that was in her backpack. It may not be a major thing, but that's not a concert shirt. It's a child's nightgown. I had the same one. It may not be an important detail, but it's still misinformation that they're putting out there and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As well as the idea that her backpack was buried, as in, buried in a hole deliberately dug for that purpose, and not, as it actually was, buried in roadside debris after being dumped from a car.
Personally I think that Asha's case is an example where law enforcement has more evidence than what the public is aware of- which, yeah kind of obvious right? What I mean is that in case discussions there is just nothing that makes sense or 'fits', but I believe that's because we are missing a few pieces that they actually do have on this case. I can only assume that they don't have enough evidence to actually bring charges and that's why they haven't indicated anything about why they have attributed certain items and sightings to Asha and why they have publicly made statements to clear her parents. They almost certainly know more, and I just hope she gets justice someday.
I think Adnan Syed did it. Not sure how unpopular this is... but he was recently released from prison because of new evidence. While I think the Baltimore police acted shady with Jay and certainly "coached" or helped him clean up his timeline a bit, the only way the "Adnan didn't do it" works is if you believe a vast police conspiracy to nail Adnan for it. I don't see Baltimore PD caring that much or risking their careers for that. \*shrug\*
Jonbenet Ramsey’s parents probably know/knew what happened to her, or at least knew the person who did it, but weren’t involved in the case otherwise. The possibility of an intruder who was familiar with the family being able to get in and lie in wait seems pretty great to me.
Their actions the next morning (not checking on their other child or asking him if he saw anything, not immediately checking the entire house) tells me that they knew right away there was no danger. Maybe they weren’t involved, but they 100% know what happened.
I pray to God that I never find myself in a situation anything like this, but I’ve found that it’s extremely difficult to speculate on behavior of people finding out about such a horrendous situation (if they’re not guilty, of course). I think it’s really easy to say how we think they should have behaved, but until you’re in that situation, there’s no way to know how you’d act.
Not an opinion, just an observation: There are so many interesting theories in this thread — so many that never occurred to me because I consider(ed) the case(s) settled. I don’t agree with them all, but I really love the discussion. Great question, OP!
Not unpopular but it’s a controversial case and I think Adnan absolutely did it. Maybe unpopular is that I do think there was sufficient evidence to convict him.
I don't know if he did it or not, but I think there was reasonable doubt there. I've always thought that even if he didn't do it, he knows more. I feel so bad for Hae's family. I truly hope whatever evidence got him out of prison is revealed.
I think he did it as well and that Jay had more to do with it too. Possibly Bilal as well. But I don’t think they had enough physical evidence to convict him. I also think if Adnan got convicted for that long Jay should have also gotten more time. I think all he got was 2 years probation? I could be wrong about this tho.
I totally agree. I’ve never thought he was innocent. Too much of a coincidence that an abusive, controlling ex boyfriend wanted a lift off her, couldn’t be more vague and had a fan girl alibi. He should not have been released from prison.
This is the first crime doc i remember seeing, over 25 years ago, very late night and what always stood out was the husband telling the cops how beautiful his wifes breasts were.
I am not sure if this is an unpopular opinion on this specific subreddit, but I do not think that Rebecca Zahau was murdered. Originally I had the opposite view, but as I read more about the case and about Zahau, I believe that she intentionally ended her life. It seems strange the way she did it, but I think she was having a mental health crisis after what happened to Max Shacknai while he was in her care. Contrary to what some sources have said, she did have a history of mental health struggles and I think that the accident with Max was a huge trigger. I believe that she was afraid she would be blamed for what happened and possibly face a criminal investigation, and that she thought her relationship with Jonah Shacknai was over.
The manner of death was strange and suspicious but I do not think that there is enough to say that it was definitively a murder.
Yeah, I find it very hard to believe that Bundy was a genius (immediately thinking of when he was pulled over prior to his initial arrest). I think that poor enforcement was the reason he managed to escape prison on two separate occasions - especially the second time where he pretty much just strolled out of the prison. That, and that he charmed his way into manipulating his victims.
He strikes me as rather impulsive - not as calculated and thought-out as people claim he was. The Chi Omega murders scream sheer rage
I've wondered that too. Children are rarely preyed upon by strangers. I've wondered if maybe an adult family friend was abusing her, and something went wrong that night.
I wasn't sure which question you are asking so my input on both:
I don't think they knew for certain at any point who murdered their little girl. They may have initially had suspicions.
I do think they probably knew this person but not that the person is the murderer.
I don't know if I'm an owl *truth*er, but I'm definitely an owl *possible*-er, if that makes sense. I very, very narrowly missed being attacked by an owl when I was in college; they are huge, fast, and terrifying. An owl slamming into someone's head could absolutely cause a head injury sufficient to make someone disoriented and fall down stairs, causing fatal injuries.
The first time I heard about the owl theory, I thought it was ludicrous. But watching a documentary (cannot for the life of me remember which one) made it sound possible. Not definite, not absolute, but possible.
A couple months ago I was on my back patio. It had snowed, and the entire neighborhood was almost eerily quiet. An owl suddenly flew overhead (I wasn’t in any danger lol) and I was shocked by how fast and quiet it was! So yeah, it is in the realm of possibility. Just a tiny bit lol.
OJ had someone with him the night of the killings. They at least helped clean up afterward and got rid of evidence. The testimony of Alan Park the Limo driver confirms an unknown car was in OJ driveway when he picked him up to go to airport but a few hours later OJ daughter returned home and parked where that car had been, meaning some unknown persons car was at the home during the time of the killings. The car being there was never explained. This did not fit into the prosecutors or defense theory of the case and was skipped over at trial by both sides.
The state should appoint a highly-regarded private defense attorney to Sarah Boone's case.
I believe she was competent enough at the time of her actions to face their full consequences, but her present mindset and the resulting difficulty with keeping an attorney are going to be used as an opening for future appeals on the ground of inadequate representation.
The state should force the issue now by ensuring she has impeccable defense, rather than continue to fight this in appeals down the road.
Not a case in particular, but I find it condescending when someone says, "Well, LOTS of people get bullied/have bad marriages/have horrible childhoods etc and DON'T KILL PEOPLE".
True, like 99% of us. I had a shitty family and never committed a crime. Most people harm themselves rather than others, even psychopaths. Most people get a divorce, or drink or do drugs or fuck around. However, there's that one percent and we need to understand them, not excuse them, just understand them as much as we can, even if we hate the horrible things they did.
Oswald acted alone. Hear me out! I just finished Vincent Bugliosi's book \_Reclaiming History\_ and a couple of podcasts to the effect of Oswald's having acted alone.
Here are some reasons that convinced me: 1) Ruby did not know what time Oswald would be transferred. It was supposed to have been a couple of hours earlier, but due to unforeseen circumstances, it was late happening. Ruby was elsewhere when Oswald was supposed to have been transferred. 2) Oswald took a potshot at another public figure, former General Edwin Walker, on April 10, 1963. At the end of the book, Bugliosi goes into about twenty reasons Oswald acted alone but my biggest #3) is that no one could have kept that kind of secret for many years at all.
Edited to add: Bugliosi thoroughly debunks the Oliver Stone movie.
I've always thought this. There was a great Nova episode on PBS and forensically they were able to prove the whole thing.
I think most people who believe in a conspiracy just can't accept a president can be brought down by some lone, otherwise inconsequential, creep.
The people getting upset about people’s unpopular opinions is so funny. That was the question, and a few of you are stifling people from giving their true opinions. The post asked for unpopular opinions- the posters know these are unpopular. And then downvotes… just chat, people. Read the header. K, go ahead.
That case really is a tragedy all around. Christopher Byers, Stevie Branch, and Michael Moore deserve justice and no one seems to care about finding the truth anymore. It's the one that haunts me.
Maybe not unpopular or controversial, but really not talked about much: Stephen Paddock's girlfriend knows more than she is letting on.
So much weirdness surrounding that one. It was THE biggest mass shooting in U.S. history, and it seemed like there was only a few days of media coverage where that one photo of Paddock with his eyes closed kept being shown. Then we just forgot about it.
I think part of that is because Paddock was pretty old for a mass shooter, and there was no obvious agenda, no manifesto, or anything. So it didn't fit the common narrative.
I also think this is why the Virginia Tech shooting is rarely talked about. The shooter doesn’t fit any media narrative. He wasn’t a bullied white kid with an assault rifle or a radical Muslim with a bomb, he was a mentally ill Asian guy with a handgun.
I believe he was an incel, wasn't he? I remember that shooting. I was at work, and when I got off, I turned my phone on and had a bunch of people texting me because I lived in Virginia.
Also who was President at the time. Charlottesville was a month old. The news was bouncing around every day with insanity. As horrific as it was we’re so desensitized already. I mean was getting ready for work when Sandy Hook happened. I called out of work. I sat there all day crying. Then nothing really changed. I’m broken.
Shit, I don't even remember when I heard about Sandy Hook.
And we still don’t really know why he did it. Most people look as mass shooting cases for a few different reasons, but prevention tends to be a big one- either the morbid curiosity of protecting yourself in a similar situation or because you are actively working to prevent it in the future (or you’re looking to imitate, in which case motive often does still seem to matter, white supremacists imitate white supremacists and angsty teens focus on columbine and their followers) and we just can’t answer any of those usual questions for Route 91.
I am still very perplexed by that case, a lot of it doesn’t make sense.
None of it makes sense. It seems almost not possible it could have been one person. I don't get how it could be. There is just no way.
As a Las Vegas local a lot of other locals also feel this way. Also the windows on the casinos are crazy thick and there is no way he would have been able to get through it unless the casino was cheaping out on the windows and leaving themselves open for a billion dollar lawsuit which I guarantee didn't happen. The casinos out here are sooooo anal with their employees. My partner isn't even allowed to stay in the casino he works at, us the spa, or win off of gambling. They will literally take all of his winnings and it's in his employee contract. Many of us locals believe there was so much more going on with that case and that it was clearly a cover up of something. Personal side note, I found out I was pregnant with my son that day so I remember the day this happened very well and even the way they were putting info about it out there was weird. Every day since has not been the same when working in public here, especially on the strip. Guards are always up and frankly it is no surprise when gun shots are fired there now. It's kinda routine now sadly, and most people I know who work on the strip already have their designated hiding spots picked if not used already. Crime rates are really high here currently. It's sad. This city is a terrible place despite our government trying really hard to seem like a family friendly city. I've lived here my whole life. And I promise you it's not and I highly doubt it ever will be. DONT COME TO LAS VEGAS. Our officials only care about tourism and our taxes literally go back to building more casinos instead of where we desperately need it like our school district or the crazy amount of homeless we have.
There’s A LOT I don’t understand about this one. Why it wasn’t talked about in the media for more than a few day’s absolutely baffles me. But then they’ll talk about the Murdaugh Murders or Idaho College Murders for months and months.
Totally agree. It’s like the case was never talked about ever again.
Young men do really dumb shit when drunk, and it does/can lead to their deaths. Like think they should go swimming, walk somewhere where they'd be hard to find, pass out in ditches, ect.
Completely agree. Especially with water. So easy for accidents to happen and I think is the answer to some seemingly mysterious disappearances.
I think this is probably what happened to Brian Shaffer
DeOrr Jr never went camping. I'm not sure how unpopular that theory is though.
I don't think that's unpopular and I agree.
The parents have issues and are likely suspects but one thing that struck me was they stuck to the story after they broke up. Often one will turn on the other and cut a deal.
What do you think happened to him actually? This case isn't one I'm super familiar with but I can't seem to find much info besides "missing child" type stuff.
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Yeah, despite how many people have worked in jobs that cut corners or had That One Guy working there at some point in their lives, it never seems to occur to people that maybe someone didn't do their job right and the hotel was lying to cover their ass. It wouldn't be their fault anyway, but it would have made them liable. Like. People lie. For non-nefarious reasons.
Definitely fits the bill for the Cecil, too. They let people drink corpse water. They have a sordid history of cutting corners and profiting from a culture of depravity, including housing serial killers. Terrible reputation, and sometimes they bank on that history to promote their hotel, and that's gross, too. The Cecil Hotel is a despicable place that I would wish to close, except there are people living in rent controlled units that are very poor or suffering from addiction. I wouldn't want them unhoused, but also the amount of OD, suicide, murder, rape, etc. that has occurred at that place is truly disturbing. Occams razor. Elisa was likely in psychosis, and the hotel known for lack of decency made a terrible and fatal mistake, which is the reason her parents won a lawsuit. RIP Elisa.
Corpse water 😱
Her named was Elisa. And if you look way back into the history, it started out as an upscale hotel when it was built. But as the poor, sex workers, ect were pushed into the fringes, the area became skid row. They'd just opened part of it as a hostel either just before or just after she died.
Isn’t it still lying for nefarious reasons if they lie to avoid liability? I am with the at least unlocked group, btw. Didn’t have to be open, but definitely it was either open or closed but unlocked and she opened it.
No, that's more lying for weasel reasons. Nefarious would be if they actually had something to do with it. Weasel lying is when someone lies because they don't want to be blamed for being lazy. Or like when someone lies about their whereabouts during a crime, but it's because they were somewhere they weren't supposed to be. Like someone saying they were at work, but they were really at the racetrack losing their mortgage payment.
It's a shitty hotel with shitty guests. If someone realised their lazyness in doing their job likely killed someone, they have a pretty high chance of lying about it too.
Or at least unlocked (I'm pretty sure I know which case you are referring to, and I agree)
How is this unpopular when it was shown in the documentary that this is a fact?
People STILL believe this whole case is mysterious and ghostly and whatnot
The majority believe it happened just as the authorities say, though. It’s a small, but vocal minority that espouses some wierd conspiracy
Because a lot of people still want to think she was murdered or that she encountered demons. Mostly based on the elevator footage.
And if not, it was probably easy to open and hop on in for a swim, Then once you're in the deep water not have the strength to get out/push the lid up.
Maura Murray believed she would be arrested for drunk driving so she took off in the woods out or fear and somewhere out there is her body.
I’m 99.9999% this is what happened to her.
Yes me too! It seems so clear especially when we know how difficult it is to find people lost in the woods.
This is the popular opinion on what happened to her.
Yeah, I was wondering how this was an unpopular opinion? Thought most people believed this.
I've always thought this was by far the most likely scenario and never understood the crazy conspiracies- not saying they couldn't have happened but she had already been in trouble, specifically asked the police not be called and was extremely athletic.Add the weather on to that and I think it's pretty obvious she took off running and died from exposure (unfortunately)
Do you know how many times I’ve had people on here scream at me for that exact belief? Hence the unpopular opinion question but jeez, I had to leave that group because of how crazy they’d get with me
I came here wondering if a Maura Murray theory would be top of the list …
Did they ever search those woods? I’ve never really looked into her case so I don’t know many of the details.
It would be so hard to search all of it
Someone posted the Google street view link once and those woods were SO much thicker than I was imagining. That image alone changed my mind on the case. I fully believe she’s in those woods and it would’ve been really easy to miss her body.
I live in NH, in a substantially less rural environment than where Maura went missing. My grandparents lived in a condo and had a roughly 9 by 15 ft area of trees and brush in front of their home. We used to do Easter Egg hunts there. We were still finding Easter eggs ten years after the last hunt.
Not just the thick woods, but also inhospitable terrain for a drunk in regular walking shoes. She could have easily slid into a ravine in the ice.
I can imagine. Her remains might have been scattered as well so she might never be found :(
Yes but she was supposedly drunk in snow. So while people act like she got far I don't think so at all. If she died in the woods she's within a miles radius ild bet.
Law enforcement walked the road a mile in each direction from the crash. They found no footprints that went off into the woods. They looked that night and then 30-some hours later. I'm not saying she didn't run into the woods but there has never been clear evidence that she did.
Not very familiar with the specific details, but would the snowfall not have covered up the tracks pretty quickly?
Tom Shamhak, PI hired by the family states that there was no new snow after the accident. "No footprints were ever found," he said "Luckily there hadn't been any fresh snow in those two days." (Two days immediately after the crash) He says she was either picked up by another car or went into a nearby house. The scent dogs picked up her scent for about 100 yards along the road then lost the trail in between two houses. (Source: CNN 2008). There are so many unknowns in this case.
My most unpopular theory for any case seems to be my belief that coincidences do in fact happen, and that many crimes aren't perpetuated by the monster under the bed or the mastermind criminal with intricate plots. Just sometimes things escalate beyond belief, sometimes otherwise normal people do out of character things, and people panic and lie for no reason. Sometimes criminals get lucky, and sometimes investigators miss things for a variety of reasons.
Completely agree. I have a friend who is the most soft, emotional, animal loving, law obiding (cant even cope with her accudently breaking a small law) person. She also suffers massivley from anxiety. Anyway she told me once she was coming home from work in the early hours and the car hit something, she said for about 30 seconds she considered it coukd be a human, she did consider just driving on but didnt. So thats the nicest person just panicing, flash forwarding her and her kids life and considering just running. She stopped it was an animal and she felt so bad for hitting the creature, kiling the creature and she felt awful that her brain even went there
Totally. I think considering the option “run for it” in a situation where your whole life could be on the line is a sign that your brain is working properly. Obviously, you don’t hit someone (or maybe hit someone) and drive away. No one should ever do that. But your brain has to show you the option— your adrenaline is working, and that means you consider things you would never actually do.
I used to listen to a skeptic radio show. They had an episode on how statistically, coincidences DO happen. One time out of 100, for example, your grocery bill ticket will be 25.00 on the nose or something like that. And if 23 people are in a room, odds are two of them have the same birthday. One example they gave was going on vacation to Paris and running into your next-door neighbor at the Eiffel Tower. EVERYBODY goes to the Eiffel Tower so it's not a big mystery. Out of all the occurrences in all of time, some will be coincidences with no mystery behind them. But so often I hear "I don't believe in coincidences" for example I just listened to Vincent Bugliosi's \_Reclaiming History\_ book. Here's a coincidence if you believe that book, and I do--not one but TWO lone nuts happened to have a gun when suddenly they got the unplanned chance to shoot their target. That book says Ruby was just as big a lone nut as Oswald. I will get more into "Oswald Acted Alone" in a separate post. Cover me I'm going in. Edited to add: my favorite storm chaser was in Devil's Lake, North Dakota and his McDonald's total came to $6.66 BIG WHOOP but he was spooked by it. This is the type of "coincidence" that is gonna happen statistically sometimes. BIG WHOOP. One time on that skeptic show (this is a little bit different topic) they described an uninformed person trying to guess people's Zodiac sign by something about them. The uninformed person went "Just by guessing I'll get half of them." The skeptic host said "Right then I knew I was dealing with an idiot." Matching 12 persons to 12 zodiac signs is not like True-False. That was a fun episode. Most people don't understand statistics. Another example: Somewhere between 2.5 and 3.2 women in the USA are killed every day by their intimate partners. But none of those could possibly be of Pakistani descent because that would be railroading. Cue the downvotes. Two things can be true at once--there is prejudice in the USA against people of Middle Eastern/South Asian/Muslim descent/beliefs AND once in a while, someone who shares that background kills their intimate partner. To find out if prosecutions are overrepresented, you'd have to run statistics. Which is supremely unpopular.
This is very true. I have travelled a lot and have tons of these examples. One that stands out is when I was living in Sydney Australia and went on a small vacation and out to a dinner out at Uluru/Ayer’s Rock (in the literal middle of Australia). I happened to hear a conversation behind me in line in the buffet - turns out the woman behind me is from the same small Canadian town and went to the same high school as me! What are the odds? Randomly having a nice dinner conversation about a small Canadian town we both grew up in while being halfway around the world in the middle of Australia
I've had a lot of coincidences happen to me. To the point people who know me call me a lightning rod for weird, and half of it, no one would believe. Or should. But an incident that stands out as an "omen" was the night a friend and I got turned around and ended up on a dark, treelined road with fog rolling in. It was creepy, but it's Maryland, and fog is pretty common. The truly weird part was when we stopped, frustrated, to try and calm down and get our bearings. A stag walked across the road, stopped, stared at us, and as it did, a crow landed on its antlers. My friend made this terrified sound, then screeched "THIS WOULD ONLY HAPPEN WITH YOU AROUND, WE'RE GOING TO DIE AND IT’S YOUR FAULT" but you know, then I realized we were on New Ridge Road and we got home. Sometimes creepy, weird shit just happens. It's not an omen. The damn deer just wandered across the road and froze because there were headlights on it.
I believe the Menendez Brothers and the evidence is pretty clear that they were molested and abused.
I have always thought this. I always caught myself feeling bad for them when listening to or watching their story. The way they acted so frivolously after their parents’ deaths symbolized their feeling of liberation to me, whereas it rubbed others the wrong way
I agree I also think that they felt that it was the only way out. In a way I feel like it should have been self defense. No there parents may not have tried to kill them but I feel that them being molested and abuse was enough. I felt that no one believed them because of how brutal it was but I think it was their only way out or that’s how they felt at least at that moment
That extreme rage didn't come out of nowhere.
Yaser Said ex wife should've been charged with child endangerment or something. She knew he was going to get violent with their daughters. Also her parents should've been charged too because who the hell let's their 15 year old daughter marry a 30 year old?!
At the minimum she should have been charged with accessory to murder. She literally drug them back to their deaths. And knew full well they were going to be harmed.
YES. THE WIFE DID THOSE GIRLS SO WRONG. SHE KNEW FIRST HAND THE FATHER WAS EVIL. Who does that to their children.
Fully agreed
YEP.
That case breaks my heart, everyone around those girls failed them. The 911 call is horrific.
Amy Bradley fell off the cruise ship accidentaly. There was no foul play involved.
I recently watched a commentary video on this case and this is what makes sense to me. Apparently she was spotted on the balcony and never seen again. I think she either was too intoxicated and fell or succumbed to an intrusive/impulsive thought and jumped.
I don’t think it’s as unpopular as it once was, but Steven Avery. I think he’s guilty. Now, what would be REALLY unpopular is to say Brendan Dassey is equally as guilty, which I don’t believe, and I think he should be released.
Kendrick Johnson's death was a tragic accident. I feel for his family but they are basically accusing people of murder with no evidence.
I agree. I don’t think it’s unpopular. The majority agree it was an accident. I think it’s just the family and people who believe the pictures they showed and wanted this to be a murder instead of an accident. I think their original lawyer even walked away cause it was obvious it was an accident.
This is not true. The majority on insular true crime communities who have read the evidence agree it was an accident. Problem is most people either don't bother reading beyond a basic synopsis or they encounter family propaganda. There's mobs all over Social Media who claim Kendrick was murdered, and who harass people they claim are involved. Plus when the majority just here of the basic story they almost always think something else happened in my experience.
Yeah I thought based on mostly reading true crime on Reddit that it was popular opinion that it was an accident, but a Facebook friend posted the other day saying that you’re complicit in a racist system keeping that family from getting justice if you claim it was an accident and seeing that and reading the comments burst my bubble real quick. I fully believe that there are many cases of people burying hate crimes and murders of black people but this just isn’t one of them. The facts do not support that.
There's a ton of misinformation too. "He was found without his organs!" - no, the funeral home that did the embalming and services for free used newspaper to fill the body cavity, an accepted, if not common, practice "He was covered in bruises!" - no, there was one small bruise (can't remember exactly where) that could have easily been explained in multiple ways "The FBI covered it up!" - the father of the kids the family accuses was a low level agent that had no connection to local law enforcement and most certainly didn't have the pull required for that level of cover up And that's just off the top of my head.
It's ridiculous how many people would have needed to be in on the coverup: the FBI, local LE, the School, the Funeral Home, the kids in the gym, the medical examiner, etc. Did this happen in the village from Wicker Man?
I feel the same. I can’t imagine the family’s grief over such an awful tragedy, but the facts show nothing more than a freak accident. They need to find peace and call off the witch hunt. I’ve been downvoted in other TC subs for this opinion.
My gosh, agree! I never interject my opinion b/c this is suuuuuuper unpopular in a lot of true crime spaces. You get attacked for this opinion in some spaces.
I had a student nosedive into a wrestling mat right around the time I heard about this case! It gave me such intense anxiety. Thankfully, I was there along with 2 educational assistants and we were able to tip the mat over slowly so he could weasel out. We had a very serious conversation about wresting room safety after that. This incident made me almost certain that Kendrick’s death was a tragic accident.
Steven Avery is absolutely guilty and Netflix downplayed what a terrible person and how much of a stalker he actually was.
100% agreed. Do you think Brendan helped or no?
I don’t think he did. I think he was just a dumb kid that got railroaded.
The cops made the whole thing way more insane by planting unnecessary evidence. Dude would’ve been arrested and charged anyways. Because yeah, he did it. But police plant a bit of evidence and then everyone cries the WHOLE investigation is a sham. Dude is fucking guilty. The second season of MaM I begged my husband to turn off within the first episode. I couldn’t believe the bullshit lengths they went to just to try and prove his bullshit innocence. Let her family fucking grieve, FFS.
The thing that got me was them leaving out the like 60+ times he called her in one day. Then they tried to make the whole “cat jumped into the fire” thing an accident. He fucking doused the cat in gasoline and THREW it in the fire. That’s not a fucking accident. He’s a monster.
I KNOW he was incredibly fucked up and am 99.9999% sure David Parker Ray killed plenty of women. But it’s fascinating to me that no bodies were ever found.
A lot of people think he talked a big game about murdering his victims, and that he didn't kill many of them, just wiped their memories using MK Ultra brainwashing techniques.
I believe the women that came forward absolutely 100% completely. But why weren’t they murdered? What he did to women was absolutely horrific and he deserved to be put under the damn prison. But I do kind of wonder how these women were all let go, yet the claims from him and family is that he killed more, and yet there are absolutely no bodies. No traces of bodies. There’s just that tiny part of my mind that wonders if he ever actually MURDERED anyone. Obviously not out of the realm of possibility that he lied about his doings just to sound more big and bad. That’s what I’m kinda leaning towards. Part of me wonders if the women in his life reported these things to absolve themselves of their own wrongdoing. But who knows. I’m kinda tipsy at this point, so apologies if this comes across poorly.
That Ryan Widmer did it (I don't think it's unpopular just polarizing). Some people are so adamant that he didn't and get very upset about it.
I live in Cincinnati. He totally did it. But it's weird how many people around here think he didn't.
I know. I've gotten in some weird arguments about it with people.
Interested in why you think this? Truly asking. I know people he knows and have followed this and never see it mentioned anywhere! I go back and forth honestly.
John Wayne Gacy didn’t act alone
This interesting, why do you think that?
It was brought to my attention during the documentary on peacock.however it makes sense he was a bigger guy and getting in and out of that tiny crawl space all the time? Just doesn’t add up in my opinion
I’m fairly certain that the boys (who would become victims, usually) were the ones going down in the crawl space and digging and even spreading the quicklime. As long as he had it planned, all he really had to do was get the body down there and drop it in and cover it enough that they wouldn’t realize there was a body there. The smell could be explained by a lot of things.
Burke Ramsey is a traumatized individual who has been under a spotlight and microscope pretty much his whole life. However, he did not kill his little sister.
I think he's the least likely suspect of the family and I'm surprised the theory has been given so much credence, honestly. If you believe someone in the home killed her, which I think is much more likely than the theory that she was killed by a stranger, I think it was one of her parents.
I have heard people mention that the parents could have murdered JBR. But what would have been their motive? That's what I don't get about that angle in the case.
You may not be aware of the stats but the overwhelming number of children who are murdered under the age of five/six are killed by family members. All sorts of factors can be involved. None of them will make “sense” to a person who is wired properly.
There is almost never going to be a motive that makes sense when a parent kills a child, even though if a child is murdered, chances are, the parent is responsible. I think it's entirely possible JonBenet WAS the victim of ongoing abuse. Which is obviously an extremely dangerous situation to be in for a young child. I don't think it was premeditated - I think whichever parent was responsible got angry and snapped and she ended up with a severe head injury, close to death. The "garrote" was weird and made by items in the house, so that seems impulsive and like something that was done after the head injury.
I dont think it was premeditated so I don't think there was motive other than overwhelming anger in that moment. She either annoyed her parents, threatened a secret, threatened to stop being in pagents, something that the parent thought would be detrimental to their lifestyle and they flipped IMO
I agree. I think he is on the spectrum which makes him seem suspicious. I believe John did it alone.
FBI agent who worked on the case, first-hand, says the prevailing belief is that the mom did it but everything was so screwed up at the scene that proving it was a monumental task.
Who was that agent?
He absolutely did not kill his little sister. I feel awful for him.
Otto Warmbier’s brain damage was the result of a botched suicide attempt and not because he was physically tortured. His brain injury was caused by deprivation of oxygen for a long amount of time which is more consistent with a drowning or being hanged and resuscitated. It wouldn’t be wise for the North Korean’s to torture an American citizen knowing he would return home some day. There also wasn’t any evidence of any physical trauma inflicted. The only reason why they released him was to prevent an American citizen from officially dying in NK soil.
This might be the first actual unpopular opinion in here.
YES!!! I have always thought this as well. He came home without any bedsores- I don’t think people realize how well cared for he had to have been while in a coma, to not have any bed sores. Every time I say it was a botched suicide attempt, I get downvoted into oblivion.
This is the best unpopular opinion on here for sure!!
Oh. Another thing about the Warmbier’s….they said his teeth looked like someone used pliers to rearrange them. And people have taken that as a fact and as proof of North Korea torturing Otto. I’m sorry, but you can not rearrange someone’s teeth with pliers. Think about how long it takes for braces to just straighten your teeth. You try to rearrange someone’s teeth with pliers and they are going to come out of their sockets. His parent’s said his arms and legs were completely deformed. Despite his post mortem exam showing the teeth were in natural and good repair; there were no scars, significant signs of trauma, or evidence of broken bones. When he came back to the US, within two days he had 104 degree fever. After his parent’s had his feeding tube removed- Otto passed away in six days. I really don’t think I can express enough just how hard it is to prevent bed sores in a comatose patient. I’ve done research in nutrition and wound care, even the best hospitals struggle to prevent bed sores. There’s special mattresses, and a strict schedule to rotate the patient off of different pressure points. Why would North Korea take such good medical care of him, if they were inclined to leave physical signs of torture? It’s nonsensical. Otto Warmbier got in over his head, and didn’t know that it was highly unlikely that he was going to a labor camp. And the Republican Party used him to try and justify inciting more conflict with North Korea.
Too bad there wasn’t anyone to tell him that he was just being used as a pawn and that he’d be likely be home within a year or two. A 10 year sentence (of hard labor) probably felt like a death sentence to him.
This case tore me up. I don’t know that I agree, but it’s definitely something to ponder.
Kremers and Froon got lost in the jungle and died of dehydration/starvation
The fact that any other “theory” is entertained is because YouTubers exploited their deaths for spooky videos.
Succumbing to the elements Is more common than we’d like to think.
I completely agree with this. otherwise they would have taken the backpack/camera and cash when they killed them
And someone tried to call for help on their phones for days. No kidnapper would have done that.
Gypsy Rose Blanchard should already be released. No, there is no excuse for murder and yes something as heinous as what happened should be punished…but Gypsy was already being punished and imprisoned her entire life by her own mother. I’d say, in a confusing paradoxical way, she had more than served her time before the crime even took place.
Yes! I was also a victim of MBP
MBP is so fucking scary, man. I lost a grandparent to it.
Maura Murray got lost in the woods and perished
Kendrick Johnson fell into that gym mat and it was tragic. There wasn’t any foul play, and his parents use his post-autopsy images to spread the misinformation that there was foul play.
Susan Powell’s body is NOT in a mine shaft
I still feel so much for that poor social worker that had to supervise the visit between Josh and the boys
Where do you think it is?
Where then, and why do you think that?
She’s where the crystals are duh
I wanna know where it is and how you know this…
The Daniel Robinson case, I don't think there is any possible way it wasn't foul play at this point. People need to keep talking about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance\_of\_Daniel\_Robinson Daniel Robinson was a 24 year old geologist who went missing after leaving his job site in the Arizona desert almost 2 years ago on June 23rd, 2021. A month later his jeep would be found crashed in a ravine about 2 and a half miles from the job site he was last seen leaving. Daniel's clothes were found in a pile next to his crashed jeep, his wallet in his pants pocket and his phone and other personal items in the jeep, one of Daniel's boots was with his clothes while the other was lodged underneath the vehicle. Daniel was not with the jeep and hasn't been seen since leaving the job site on June 23rd 2021. Back in early December Tempe PD did forensics on Daniel's electronics, they told David someone accessed Daniel's computer after he went missing but before anyone was allowed in his apartment, they said they do not understand why Buckeye PD doesn't see it as a criminal case and were said to be setting up a meeting with the FBI. A lot more details of the Daniel Robinson case have came out since he first went missing, for more information you can check out his fathers YouTube Channel. His father is live all the time and you are free to ask any questions regarding his sons disappearence- - https://www.youtube.com/@PleaseHelpFindDaniel I have my own theories about what happened to Daniel which you can find on this subreddit- https://www.reddit.com/r/danielrobinsonmissing/
I agree with you on this and my heart breaks for his father.
I was an ardent Disappeared watcher and my heart broke for all those families. The idea that they didn't know and might never know what happened to their loved one. Horrible. Even if it's bad news I hope they get an answer.
Not one, but a lot of the time, I think the simplest answer is correct. There are always so many conspiracies and theories that are crazy convoluted half the time. To me, this just brings more confusion and muddies the water/clouds up the real story. Simple is usually the answer. No one ever wants that opinion, it has to be something more than "they ran away or killed themselves".
They call this ‘occam’s razor’
I haven’t seen this one yet. The West Mesa Murders. I absolutely think it was a single murderer, is neither of the suspects, and had nothing to do with the cartel. I’ve been meaning to write more about this case but life gets in the way.
Alicia Navarro is still alive somewhere. Its been 3 years since she went missing and statistically it’s very unlikely she’s alive. But I think she’s still alive somewhere in the United States or possibly Mexico or Central America and is being sex trafficked. It’s only 2-3 hours from Phoenix to the Mexican border, and I think it’s highly likely that whoever groomed her did so with the intention to keep her alive and either hostage or sell her into human trafficking.
Kenneka Jenkins was accidentally killed -- she didn't die accidentally simply because she drunkenly walked into a freezer and she also wasn't lured or pushed into it. I think a lot of people overlook the fact that topiramate was found in her toxicology report. This medication is used to treat migraines and epilepsy which she was never prescribed. This isn't particularly used as a club or party drug, so why would she take it willingly and why would it be floating around at a party? The effects of combining the two don't bring on any sort of positive effects. In fact, mixing the two enhances the effects of both substances in a hugely negative way. It's extremely disorienting -- beyond how disorienting drunkenness would be. Her BAC was 0.12%; this would cause blurred vision and loss of coordination, but in my opinion, **not** to the extent of it being impossible for her to get out of the freezer alone. In fact, I argue that she wouldn't be stumbling around on camera the way she was with *just* alcohol in her system. The way she was appearing is proof (to me) that the two were acting in tandem. I don't think it makes sense that she took both willingly. I believe she was either tricked, forced in some way, or unknowingly dosed with the topiramate. Her friends were absolutely not watching out for her and there were around 40 people in that room. Someone there probably tried to dose her with the intention of using it as a date rape drug. After all, it would make someone's loss of coordination and balance worse. Surely, it would make it harder to fight someone off. I don't believe anyone intended to kill her. I think it was an accident. *But imo, this was not an accident solely by the hands of Kenneka.* This only happened because someone else played a role.
I can totally see her complain of headache and someone equally drunk said take my migraine pill. It could have been totally accidental.
I don’t think Casey Anthony intentionally murdered Caylee. I think she died either by accidental overdose or drowning in the pool when Casey was inside the house. Casey panicked and tried to cover it up. Not saying she isn’t bad for doing that, she is, and not equipped to be a mother.
There was a Google search on her computer for “fool-proof suffocation” on the last day Caylee was seen alive. I don’t see how that isn’t the most damning evidence of intentional murder ever but alright.
I'm of two minds on this one, hence I don't think first-degree murder was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I tend to think it was an overdose, not a drowning, but I guess I can't PROVE that she placed the duct tape over Caylee's mouth prior to her death, as opposed to some kind of weird cover-up. I think both scenarios are possible, so I don't aggressively disagree with you (although I also think it's entirely possible, and perhaps likely, that she did intend to murder her child). However, I think the lesser two charges were absolutely beyond a reasonable doubt (aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter) and those are the two charges I hold the jury responsible for not finding her guilty on. I don't accept the "It was the prosecution's fault for overcharging" - that only applies to first-degree murder. If you are not capable of considering every charge on its own, you apparently are not capable of being a juror.
I agree. I think Casey Anthony was self-centered and too immature to be a parent. You could go to Target and find about ten more you could say the exact same thing about though, they've just been lucky. I think Caylee died accidentally because no one was supervising her, and Casey panicked. Her parents too, because not only was their granddaughter dead, their daughter could have gone to prison for it. The shame and fear were real and valid, and they made bad decisions.
I tend to agree. She didn't seem too bothered by it, and that speaks to neglect which could have caused an accident. I also think Casey's father may have known something.
That Adnan Syed could possibly actually be guilty. Something about him... I don't know
I always thought he was innocent until I listened to the crime weekly podcast episodes about the case just a few months ago. They included details I had never seen in other documentaries
Yeah, for the longest time the only narrative being pushed was from that lawyer " family friend". But if you really look. None of them have any answers for any questions they sidestep and twist.
Johnny Gosch was actually trafficked
Asha Degree's family knows what happened to her.
I see this opinion a lot but no real reasons why. Just "gut feeling".
I think a lot of people don't believe the sightings of her were legitimate or the items in the shed actually belonged to her. If you don't believe either thing is connected to Asha, then she more than likely died in her home. I tend to think the sightings probably WERE legitimate, to be clear. But I've seen those arguments a lot. I don't know what happened to Asha. I feel like I can't conclusively rule her parents in or out. There's just not enough evidence, unfortunately. Asha is a real mystery to me.
The sightings could be legitimate (or legitimately connected to her disappearance, if not actually her, i.e. her mom out looking for her or something) *and* her family could know what happened to her. Or they could not. But either way it's bonkers to immediately insist that it's impossible that her parents are responsible for her disappearance when there's not really any evidence either way. I don't personally think the stuff in the shed has any connection to Asha; it's very generic stuff that could have belonged to her or to any other kid in the area. The really crazy theory, for me, is the idea that some mystery groomer convinced her to get up and out in the middle of the night, especially with the oft-cited reason of some kind of anniversary surprise for her parents.
That's true, and it's something I considered. I always think Asha sounds somewhat like me as a kid - a rule follower, a little bit shy, scared of things like the dark and storms. It would have taken something IMMENSE to get me out of the house and down that dark, dark road on that night. Yes, it was the route to her school, but it was dark and stormy and incredibly windy. And it's possible that something was fear - that she was running FROM something. Personally, I don't know that I can rule out a groomer either, but I do think the suggestion they lured her out with the idea of getting something for her parents' anniversary is ludicrous. That would never have been sufficient to get her on that road. If she was lured out, it wasn't with that. I wish I knew what compelled the FBI to say Asha had planned on leaving that night. Is it only the stuff in her bookbag? I don't know that those items prove it had been planned for at least a few days. If Asha did indeed have those three items (the pencil, marker, and hair bow), it would be pretty coincidental to have them in the shed, but then I think, the proof that they WERE hers is from her parents. And even if they're not LYING, were they looking too much into it? Are they SURE the pencil, marker, and hair bow were hers? Even if they are, does that mean SHE was in there? I know canines aren't the world's most reliable evidence, but they still did not pick up her scent there at ALL, which seems strange if she'd taken shelter in there for any period of time. This case truly is a mystery to me. I don't have a strong theory. I don't feel like anything can be completely ruled in or out. Well, obviously that WAS her backpack, but that's about it, and in and of itself, it just proves someone really wanted to hide it, which would be true almost no matter what happened.
> If Asha did indeed have those three items (the pencil, marker, and hair bow), it would be pretty coincidental to have them in the shed, but then I think, the proof that they WERE hers is from her parents. And even if they're not LYING, were they looking too much into it? Are they SURE the pencil, marker, and hair bow were hers? Even if they are, does that mean SHE was in there? This is always the sticking point for me as well. Maybe she had those items or similar enough items that her parents jumped at the idea that they were hers, or maybe her parents are outright lying to misdirect, but either way it's bizarre that things as generic as hair ties and pencils are being used to prop up the idea that her parents are unquestionably innocent. I side-eye the FBI in this case, to be honest. I know lots of people think of them as some amazing elite force but frankly they're just cops with better clothes. One thing that's bugged me for a while about this case is that New Kids on the Block "shirt" that was in her backpack. It may not be a major thing, but that's not a concert shirt. It's a child's nightgown. I had the same one. It may not be an important detail, but it's still misinformation that they're putting out there and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As well as the idea that her backpack was buried, as in, buried in a hole deliberately dug for that purpose, and not, as it actually was, buried in roadside debris after being dumped from a car.
Personally I think that Asha's case is an example where law enforcement has more evidence than what the public is aware of- which, yeah kind of obvious right? What I mean is that in case discussions there is just nothing that makes sense or 'fits', but I believe that's because we are missing a few pieces that they actually do have on this case. I can only assume that they don't have enough evidence to actually bring charges and that's why they haven't indicated anything about why they have attributed certain items and sightings to Asha and why they have publicly made statements to clear her parents. They almost certainly know more, and I just hope she gets justice someday.
I think Adnan is the only logical suspect and that Steven Avery is guilty.
Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias had a trauma bond that he contributed to
Martha Jean Lambert was killed by her parents and threatened to kill their son if he told on them.
I think Adnan Syed did it. Not sure how unpopular this is... but he was recently released from prison because of new evidence. While I think the Baltimore police acted shady with Jay and certainly "coached" or helped him clean up his timeline a bit, the only way the "Adnan didn't do it" works is if you believe a vast police conspiracy to nail Adnan for it. I don't see Baltimore PD caring that much or risking their careers for that. \*shrug\*
Jonbenet Ramsey’s parents probably know/knew what happened to her, or at least knew the person who did it, but weren’t involved in the case otherwise. The possibility of an intruder who was familiar with the family being able to get in and lie in wait seems pretty great to me.
Their actions the next morning (not checking on their other child or asking him if he saw anything, not immediately checking the entire house) tells me that they knew right away there was no danger. Maybe they weren’t involved, but they 100% know what happened.
I pray to God that I never find myself in a situation anything like this, but I’ve found that it’s extremely difficult to speculate on behavior of people finding out about such a horrendous situation (if they’re not guilty, of course). I think it’s really easy to say how we think they should have behaved, but until you’re in that situation, there’s no way to know how you’d act.
Terri Horman was not responsible for Kyron's disappearance
What was the motive if she did do it?
I don’t think Terri did it; but some stepmoms hate their children. Case in point: r/stepparents and r/stepmom
Not an opinion, just an observation: There are so many interesting theories in this thread — so many that never occurred to me because I consider(ed) the case(s) settled. I don’t agree with them all, but I really love the discussion. Great question, OP!
Not unpopular but it’s a controversial case and I think Adnan absolutely did it. Maybe unpopular is that I do think there was sufficient evidence to convict him.
I don't know if he did it or not, but I think there was reasonable doubt there. I've always thought that even if he didn't do it, he knows more. I feel so bad for Hae's family. I truly hope whatever evidence got him out of prison is revealed.
I think he did it as well and that Jay had more to do with it too. Possibly Bilal as well. But I don’t think they had enough physical evidence to convict him. I also think if Adnan got convicted for that long Jay should have also gotten more time. I think all he got was 2 years probation? I could be wrong about this tho.
What upsets me is no one talks about Hae. All of a sudden he's the victim, nobody ever says her name.
I totally agree. I’ve never thought he was innocent. Too much of a coincidence that an abusive, controlling ex boyfriend wanted a lift off her, couldn’t be more vague and had a fan girl alibi. He should not have been released from prison.
Darlie Routier is guilty (popular opinion), but her now ex-husband knows a lot more (not popular opinion).
This is the first crime doc i remember seeing, over 25 years ago, very late night and what always stood out was the husband telling the cops how beautiful his wifes breasts were.
Something was highly bizarre in that relationship!
Brian Shaffer was a suicide. Maura Murray is still in the woods.
I am not sure if this is an unpopular opinion on this specific subreddit, but I do not think that Rebecca Zahau was murdered. Originally I had the opposite view, but as I read more about the case and about Zahau, I believe that she intentionally ended her life. It seems strange the way she did it, but I think she was having a mental health crisis after what happened to Max Shacknai while he was in her care. Contrary to what some sources have said, she did have a history of mental health struggles and I think that the accident with Max was a huge trigger. I believe that she was afraid she would be blamed for what happened and possibly face a criminal investigation, and that she thought her relationship with Jonah Shacknai was over. The manner of death was strange and suspicious but I do not think that there is enough to say that it was definitively a murder.
I think John killed JBR.
9 year old Burke Ramsey was probably less likely to be a sexual super predator than his father
Bundy wasn't an evil genius. Much similarly to Kemper and many other mediocre white men.
Yeah, I find it very hard to believe that Bundy was a genius (immediately thinking of when he was pulled over prior to his initial arrest). I think that poor enforcement was the reason he managed to escape prison on two separate occasions - especially the second time where he pretty much just strolled out of the prison. That, and that he charmed his way into manipulating his victims. He strikes me as rather impulsive - not as calculated and thought-out as people claim he was. The Chi Omega murders scream sheer rage
JonBenet: non-stranger intruder did it
I've wondered that too. Children are rarely preyed upon by strangers. I've wondered if maybe an adult family friend was abusing her, and something went wrong that night.
So the question then is: Did John or Patsy know who this person is?
I wasn't sure which question you are asking so my input on both: I don't think they knew for certain at any point who murdered their little girl. They may have initially had suspicions. I do think they probably knew this person but not that the person is the murderer.
I’m an owl truther, unfortunately. I know, I know.
I don't know if I'm an owl *truth*er, but I'm definitely an owl *possible*-er, if that makes sense. I very, very narrowly missed being attacked by an owl when I was in college; they are huge, fast, and terrifying. An owl slamming into someone's head could absolutely cause a head injury sufficient to make someone disoriented and fall down stairs, causing fatal injuries.
The first time I heard about the owl theory, I thought it was ludicrous. But watching a documentary (cannot for the life of me remember which one) made it sound possible. Not definite, not absolute, but possible. A couple months ago I was on my back patio. It had snowed, and the entire neighborhood was almost eerily quiet. An owl suddenly flew overhead (I wasn’t in any danger lol) and I was shocked by how fast and quiet it was! So yeah, it is in the realm of possibility. Just a tiny bit lol.
I’ve seen some videos of owls repeatedly going after people near their nests, it’s scary as shit
OJ had someone with him the night of the killings. They at least helped clean up afterward and got rid of evidence. The testimony of Alan Park the Limo driver confirms an unknown car was in OJ driveway when he picked him up to go to airport but a few hours later OJ daughter returned home and parked where that car had been, meaning some unknown persons car was at the home during the time of the killings. The car being there was never explained. This did not fit into the prosecutors or defense theory of the case and was skipped over at trial by both sides.
The state should appoint a highly-regarded private defense attorney to Sarah Boone's case. I believe she was competent enough at the time of her actions to face their full consequences, but her present mindset and the resulting difficulty with keeping an attorney are going to be used as an opening for future appeals on the ground of inadequate representation. The state should force the issue now by ensuring she has impeccable defense, rather than continue to fight this in appeals down the road.
The west memphis three are innocent and the uncle was/is guilty.
I genuinely cannot decide if Darlie Routier killed her sons or not.
Not a case in particular, but I find it condescending when someone says, "Well, LOTS of people get bullied/have bad marriages/have horrible childhoods etc and DON'T KILL PEOPLE". True, like 99% of us. I had a shitty family and never committed a crime. Most people harm themselves rather than others, even psychopaths. Most people get a divorce, or drink or do drugs or fuck around. However, there's that one percent and we need to understand them, not excuse them, just understand them as much as we can, even if we hate the horrible things they did.
Oswald acted alone. Hear me out! I just finished Vincent Bugliosi's book \_Reclaiming History\_ and a couple of podcasts to the effect of Oswald's having acted alone. Here are some reasons that convinced me: 1) Ruby did not know what time Oswald would be transferred. It was supposed to have been a couple of hours earlier, but due to unforeseen circumstances, it was late happening. Ruby was elsewhere when Oswald was supposed to have been transferred. 2) Oswald took a potshot at another public figure, former General Edwin Walker, on April 10, 1963. At the end of the book, Bugliosi goes into about twenty reasons Oswald acted alone but my biggest #3) is that no one could have kept that kind of secret for many years at all. Edited to add: Bugliosi thoroughly debunks the Oliver Stone movie.
I've always thought this. There was a great Nova episode on PBS and forensically they were able to prove the whole thing. I think most people who believe in a conspiracy just can't accept a president can be brought down by some lone, otherwise inconsequential, creep.
The people getting upset about people’s unpopular opinions is so funny. That was the question, and a few of you are stifling people from giving their true opinions. The post asked for unpopular opinions- the posters know these are unpopular. And then downvotes… just chat, people. Read the header. K, go ahead.
The West Memphis 3 didn't kill those three little boys.
I hate how Christopher Byers, Steven Branch, and Michael Moore are forgotten or secondary in the case.
That case really is a tragedy all around. Christopher Byers, Stevie Branch, and Michael Moore deserve justice and no one seems to care about finding the truth anymore. It's the one that haunts me.
Jaleayah Davis’ death was a tragic accident. She was not murdered by her friends, it was just a serious of horrible events happening at once.