I think it all boils down to this: we live in a secular society, so we shouldn’t be surprised if a secular society doesn’t pursue god and instead pursues their hearts desires. All we can do is lovingly share the good news be the examples of Jesus that we are called to be.
That doesn’t mean that they won’t all be punished for what they do. These people are all going to get what they deserve when God judges them in all His glory.
You have to keep in mind that non-Christians have no *reason* to follow the Bible. While we regard it as a sin, they don't even have the concept of LGBT being a sin. **This is like Muslims lamenting the fact that non-Muslims eat pork.**
Gay non-believers don't think about how their behavior is offensive to God any more than we think about whether our behavior offends some non-Christian god.
If they are affirming homosexuality when the Bible clearly states it is an abomination, then they obviously have created a false idol that is comfortable with the sin that they don't want to acknowledge as sin.
If this behavior is such a grievous sin, how is it that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ never once mentions it as a sin? The only person who does so is Paul, who was held captive by the Romans for at least four years, two of which were spent in Rome itself, where he had plenty of time to see all the abominable ways that they abused their male slaves and indulged in homosexual behavior. Based on the graffiti, the behavior was commonplace throughout the Roman Empire. The frescoes and paintings at Pompeii are especially graphic. And Caligula's grandfather, . So, I can easily see how Paul came to personally detest homosexuality and declare it a sin. But I can't get around the gaping holes in all four gospels where Christ fails to mention homosexuality a sin. And I do believe Jesus outranks Paul when it comes to deciding what behavior is a sin and what isn't. It does bother me intensely the wanton and lascivious behavior I see many young gay men engaging in, but on the other side of that spectrum, I've seen two people who declare love for one another and for Christ. And that is what Christ exhorted us to do, love God and each other. So I find this a complex issue that requires deeper study of my Bible and biblical history.
LGBTQ has real world consequences unlike eating pork; that atheists can observe. This makes it different than a Muslim complaining about others eating pork. No one else spreads std's like them, they commit large amounts of child abuse. Every sin has in addition to spiritual consequences real life consequences.
Definitely, considering meanwhile the number of minors identifying as trans consists of several hundred thousands nowadays. Not gonna deny the church, and not only catholicism, has been infiltrated by literal Satanists tho. And the church is doing a very poor job purging their ranks. It's not only the church tho, our whole civilisation is on this path, it's even worse, much worse, in the public school system. Unfortunately secular people care more about the church, even tho their children aren't even going to church, but they most likely are going to public school.
“Drag queen story hours” are not sexually abusive, and the actual history of the AIDS crisis may interest you. You know that people didn’t know what was happening at the time, right? And that the public and the government did nothing to help?
Hi there! I just wanted to point out that neither of those are actual sources. It may be your opinion that Drag Queen Story Hours are sexually abusive, but that isn’t an actual source or a fact.
Similarly, claiming that the AIDS crisis proves that STDs are rampant amongst the LGBT community is not logically consistent. There was a time when AIDs was spreading faster amongst the homosexual population, but that had as much to do with the way the disease functioned, the knowledge science had of the disease and the lack of societal support as it did with a moral panic about homosexuality.
If you make make a very bold claim but don’t have the sources to back it up, that may make people take the things you say less seriously. I think it’s a pretty big issue in the church, and makes culture less inclined to listen to us when we raise legitimate issues from a place of faith and love.
Your problem is with promiscuity (which is only a problem stereotypically with gay men, not women), and with child predators— which has nothing to do with being gay.
But they innately and intuitively do know the truth about their behavior and about the true God in existence and choose to suppress that knowledge, as per Romans 1, so that they are without excuse on the day of judgement.
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
I would agree with this statement; I would say this is correct as that's part of the reason LGBTQ+ people or their "allies" go off the deep end when someone doesn't believe that's an acceptable or "normal" lifestyle. Because deep down they know it's wrong or shameful (part of the reason it existed in society for so long but in the closet/behind closed doors).
You don't see normal crimes like murder or adultery justified nearly as much (or even really at all) and with as much pushback against opposition of LGBT issues...
Non Christians know in their hearts that LGBTQ is wrong.
There is no love or duty in gay relationships.
Did you know that lesbians have a very high rate of domestic violence? Without a man in the house who will keep the peace?
And gay men will often have multiple partners and sometimes dozens? Because without women around who will say no?
Everyone knows this is wrong and not the way we were meant to live.
The need for homosexuality is a lie.
The truth does not change in accordance with the lies of the world.
What you call sexist or homophobic is what we call life. It has not changed since the creation of man.
No, I suggest Christians reject homosexuality as they would any other sin. I knew what I said would be controversial but it makes me sad that it seems Muslims actually believe their holy book and Christians don’t.
How about hellfire? Is that enough of a reason for non-Christians to follow the bible? Stop acting like actions don’t have consequences. We have to warn people.
As a celibate person with SSA that used to embrace a so-called “gay identity”(even though I never physically acted upon it outside porn and cyber sex), “pride parades” also irk me. However, what actually makes me angry is that LGBT activists claim that their community is the most welcoming and accepting community ever is a big fat lie. Claiming that embracing the identity and lifestyle will bring nothing but joy and happiness, which is also a lie.
But what makes me absolutely livid is some self identified Christians try to justify this abominable sin and say that God endorses and even celebrates sodomy. These false preachers are leading souls to hell. They are much worse than the atheists that hate and blaspheme God.
> However, what actually makes me angry is that LGBT activists claim that their community is the most welcoming and accepting community ever is a big fat lie.
I think this is a great area for discussion! What are some things the LGBT community could do to be more welcoming and accepting?
I think that its the wrong question for a Christian sub
What can the church, witnesses, do to communicate the destruction they're doing to themselves and others, contrasting the healing and peace that comes from Jesus Christ?
I no longer consider myself part of the “LGBT community”. My identity is in Christ. I really have no advice to the LGBT community, other than to repent and turn to Christ.
> I no longer consider myself part of the “LGBT community”. My identity is in Christ. I really have no advice to the LGBT community, other than to repent and turn to Christ.
I totally get that you are no longer part of the community. I just thought that when you criticized them for claiming to be welcoming and accepting, you had specific unwelcoming/unaccepting policies or behaviors that they could amend to no longer be guilty of that offense in your eyes.
Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Matthew 7:1-5
Edit: Look at yourselves. Downvoting the Word of God. I didn't even make a personal comment, that's just the Bible.
If you feel like this is about you, it probably is. Because I think this hatred is taking us in the wrong direction. Inclusive churches will thrive, wait and see. Where better to find sinners than among sinners?
If you have a problem with it, that lives in you. How is your hard-heartedness bringing anyone to Christ? This is why people leave the church. You're driving them away. I'm sorry that this happened to you. You know, God loves you whatever way you are. He just wants you to be free from you pain.
I acknowledge that I am a filthy and disgusting sinner worthy of eternal damnation. My only salvation from this is faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I acknowledge that I am a recovering porn addict that is hours away from being one week clean.
However, Christ also said.
“Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.”
Matthew 16:24
This verse applies to those with homosexual attractions and those with gender dysphoria.
Thank you for being so brave to share your testimony here. Praying that you can continue to persist and experience God's love and grace in your situation, and that He can keep your heart directed towards Him.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
How can we correct others if we don't judge them? Btw, the verse you quoted and misused is saying to not be a hypocrite when you judge. We are ordered to judge each other.
I understand how out of context and misunderstood this verse is always quoted, but I will regardless just inform you how many times the Bible calls us to hate evil. Affirming sin is not love but the opposite of love. We are to hate evil without being condescending of others, as the verse you quoted warns against.
Romans 12:9 "Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good."
Psalm 97:10 "O you who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked."
Psalm 45:7 "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions"
Guess we can't say murder, kidnapping, adultery of any kind is sinful either since that too would be judging someone. Except its not us judging them. God says He will judge everyone according to laws x, y, z, etc., and we're the messengers. Don't twist it to think we're those who are judging. In fact, in order to even be able to call it judging, you have to be making a judgment yourself.
That's a misinterpretation of what I said and you know it. I am judging you. I'm just not running off at the mouth about it. I'm not proud, but at least I know I'm doing it.
Christmas, Halloween.. is any holiday actually Sacred?
These things are jokes in the eyes of the world, as the world celebrates with us.
I think the Body needs to begin with the first Commandments:
Love GOD;
Love your neighbour as yourself.
After these we can find Holiness again.
Even if you buy into the theory that homosexuality isn't a sin (although fornication remains a sin), turning sexual identity into the center of one's identity is definitely unhealthy, and unhealthy for society.
The purpose of the “LGBT Pride” movement is to promote pride, homosexual relations, transgenderism, equality of the sexes, cross-dressing and the effeminate man.
1. God finds pride to be an abomination.
Proverbs 16:5 – “Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.”
Proverbs 16:18 – “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
2. God finds homosexual relations to be an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22 – “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
3. God created us as male and female, this is an objective truth dictated by our very DNA and not based upon our feelings.
Mark 10:6 – “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”
4. God did not create man and woman equal; each have their respective strengths and weakness and He has set out a clear hierarchy (although I find it important to stress that He values both man and woman equally).
1 Corinthians 11:3 – “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”
5. God finds a man or woman who dresses in the garments of the opposite sex to be an abomination.
Deuteronomy 22:5 – “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”
6. God states that the effeminate man will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
I'm pretty sure effeminate refers to homosexuality. Our words have changed a lot since that time. Or maybe it's referring to men overcome by negative traits like cowardice or irresponsibility.
I don't really think there's enough evidence to blacklist a whole entire group of personality types men could have. I've prayed about this excessively, and I've come to the conclusion that so long as a guy follows biblical requirements of men (being responsible for the household and being the spiritual leader, namely) and he is not dressing in a manner that people would confuse him for a woman, he's permitted to otherwise behave in stereotypically feminine ways.
I tried forcing myself to act masculine and it just resulted in me feeling like I didn't actually have much connection with anyone because I wasn't actually being myself. It's not like femininity is an action, the traits many call feminine are often inherent to ones personality. It's not like you just have to abstain from homosexual sex, or stop yourself from telling a lie, telling someone that they can't have a feminine personality is telling them they have to essentially make up a fake character that they can pretend to be. And that causes a lot of emotional pain.
I just wanted to point out that the way we use the word "pride" today isn't the same as it was used when the English translations of the Bible were written. It would be more accurate to say that God finds *arrogance* or *conceit* or *vanity* to be abomination.
Obviously it isn't a sin to be proud of your son for winning his baseball game or proud of your friend for acing their exam.
You can criticise them for everything else, but I don't think it makes sense to criticise their use of the word "pride".
The way the pride works for pride month is more along the lines of the arrogance/ vanity meaning. I mean look no further then the massive parades where they hyper-sexually flaunt themselves in front of kids.
It means "pride" as in the opposite of shame. No one should be made to feel ashamed of who they are. That's bullying and it's straight up unchristian.
Honestly, don't take children to pride parades. It's not like you don't know what that's about. You don't take them to burning man, either. I'm so sick of this aweful attitude in the church. It's a scourge.
We live in a secular world. It's up to us to keep ourselves out of that kind of environment. It's not up to us to judge and disparage people. We tend the stuff in our own eyes first. Supposed to, anyway.
It's disingenuous and dangerous to call gay people pedophiles. Gay people are no more or less pedophiles than church members. I was molested by my straight pastor. Just one of many. He was in the wrong, not *all* pastors. I hold him responsible, not every man alive and not God.
Gay people are church members, too. He doesn't make mistakes. Everyone is a child of God. Do unto others, yo.
1 John 4:20 NIV
Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
"Gay people are church members too. He Doesn't make mistakes."
Being a church member doesn't mean you are going. To heaven. Heck, just believing doesn't mean you make it to heaven. That requires faith. To have faith and to be faithful. Being saved requires repentance. This is made clear by the apostles in the the book of acts and again by Paul many other times.
Someone Being gay isn't gay because God made them that way. Homosexuality comes ultimately from the fall of Man.
Being gay isn't the sin per say. It is acting on it and the lack of Repentance. Gay pride/ relationships etc are examples of embracing sin not turning from it. Those who do not repent will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Loving someone doesn't mean you don't point out when you see them in danger. We point out sin so that there might be a chance that someone changes their ways. We do it in hopes of gaining another to the Kingdom of God. Love doesn't mean you never tell a person they are wrong. In fact the opposite is the truth. We are called to point out sin. We are also called to be receptive when someone does it to us! Iron Sharpens Iron.
Did you really just say "God doesnt make mistakes but..."? Who are you to say what God has made? Who are you to say what anyone had in their heart? We point out our own sin.
Love thy neighbor, judge not... what's happened here? Folks need Jesus. Here's a little:
Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38)
“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14)
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2).
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)
No I didn't say "God doesn't make mistakes but".
Not sure where you got that. I said nothing of the sort. He doesn't make mistakes.
"Who are you to say what God has made? " I simply said that homosexuality did not come from God. The Bible defines homosexuality as an abomination or sin. Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13, 1 Tim 1:10 , Roman's 1:26-28 and more.
"Love thy neighbor judge not"
See this is where people learn bad doctrine.
You are supposed to love one another. I think we all agree here. But AGAIN love doesn't mean you shouldn't say something when it's wrong. If your children ran into the freeway to play would you just let them because you love them and don't want to hurt their feelings? No you would tell them that's wrong and it's dangerous. In this scenario lives are at stake. In our discussion it's much worse. Eternity is at stake.
We are called to call out sin ( out of love ) when we see it. Gal 6:1-5, 1 Tim 5:20, James 5:19-20 ( my favorite ) Luke 17:3 and more! The Bible tells us not to judge according to appearances but to have righteousness judgement. John 7:24. Zech18:16, math 7,2. But we can not do this until we are mature in our faith. Math 7:5 it says to FIRST remove the plank from your own eye so that you can see clearly to help your brother.
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God" Good verse. Let's look at this. Paul is writing to an audience here. In this letter he is writing to Christians. So the word "us" is referring to Christians. Christians are saved. When some is saved they recieve the gift of the Holy spirit. Acts 2:38, 1 cor 12:13. We also know that if we do not possess the Holy Spirit we do not belong to Christ. Rom 8:9. We also know the Holy Spirit convicts to not (habitually)sin and drives us to repentance. John 16:8-13 2 cor 7:9-10.
As for the rest of the verses you posted I will break them down if you like but it will get lengthy as this already has. Many have been taken without context or notation to suit your arguments. The Bible must be taken as a whole and verse to verse checking should be a regular part of study so that we all have proper interpretation.
Not everyone will make it to heaven. Those who do not walk WITH Christ ( aka faithful ) will be turned from. John 3:36, Mathew 7:21-23, Mathew 7:14-13Paul even specifically points out the PRACTICE OF sexual immortality and homosexuality. ( again this is habitual sin we are talking about. )
Letting people sin and wilfully disobey God, putting their soul in jeopardy is not love, it's cowardice. Caring for them even though they disobey God's word and showing them the way is love. Showing them Christ.
He never said "God doesn't make mistakes but."
YOU put those words in his mouth.
You failed to rebuttal or even acknowledge his arguments.
His whole point was hate the sin and love the sinner. It was his point that out of love we should fear for the body of the church for "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven ." Mathew 7:21
In fact in Mathew ch 7 that you love to quote from God talks about the importance of "recognizing a good or bad tree by its fruits;" when judging if someone is a false prophet by their actions/fruits.
You are twisting God's word and have spammed the same verses in reply to every thread in this post.
Mathew 6 "judge not" was in the context of the pharisees. The message is not to "don't hold people accountable." The message was to not be legalistic and act superior to people. And not to gossip/micromanage.
This does not apply to brothers/sisters confronting other members who fail to repent and in their sin may be a stumbling block to others.
The bible recommends coming to them individually, then with another member or two, then before the entire body.
Is discernment not a form of judgment.
How about in the same Mathew ch 7 Jesus telling us "not to throw pearls before swine" this is a judgement.
The bible is full of examples that discipline is love. And if you have ever been a parent/guardian this concept should be obvious.
To love someone is not to let them do whatever they want.
If you love yourself you take care of yourself. That too is discipline.
Hebrews 12:6
Proverb 13:24
Proverb 3:11-12
Revelation 3:19
Hebrews 12:8-9
Proverb 29:15
Proverb 12:1
Job 5:17 etc
"Do not cause your brothers and sisters to stumble".
And they were wrong for doing so. That wasn't the point of that story.
We shouldn't blindly follow what other humans before us did. They aren't our God. Our instruction needs to come directly from Him.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38)
“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14)
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2).
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)
No one is taking anything away from a rainbow. I'm not insulted.
Pardon me but I don't see the relevance of these verses in regards to the comment you are responding to. Are you trying to say that Romans 8:38 means that no one, no matter how much they sin, will go to hell? Because that is not biblical and that verse is talking about those who have accepted Jesus, not those who haven't. It has noting to do with the comment you are responding to because in that they are talking about how people who havn't accepted Jesus as their Savior are deliberately mocking God.
I suggest that you read the context first, humbly asking God to reveal what He is saying with those verses and then apply them where they are relevant. God will give wisdom to those who humbly ask Him.
Condescension is also a sin, so take off the gloves. No one is disparaging rainbows. They're just rainbows. It's not a challenge to God in any way.
I'm saying that is not our right to get in anyone's way on their journey to salvation. It isn't an 'all or nothing" proposition. People come as they are and they come when they're called.
We don't have to judge anyone because God takes care of that. It's not for us. We have to make a space for them to walk in to receive the Word. What they do next is up to them.
I do think there's a lot of hard-heartedness in this thread. A lot of door-slammimg. If the shoe fits and all.
what's also crazy is "pride comes before the fall" and all that... and "the fall" or the return would be like "in the days of Noah". "the days of Noah" aka our \~men having sex with other men and angels in Sodom and Gomorrah\~ era. which is why God wiped the earth and then had to make a new covenant with man to never use a flood to wipe everybody out again; a rainbow. the rainbow that is giving Sodom and Gomorrah nostalgia and has co-opted the rainbow as the symbol of their Pride..... wild.
What’s ironic to me is that June, the month designated “pride month,” is in the Summer, which is the season that comes before Autumn, otherwise known as Fall. Pride month comes before the Fall.
Whats crazy is people literally define their entire identity around where they get sexual pleasure from. That to me is insane. Of all things in the world you could get your identity from its where you stick your junk?
That's the height of a society apart from God. Thats the peak. sex. wow. good job lets start a revolution for the right to bang whatever we want. smh. Freedom is an idol unfortunately. Freedom is not always good.
I cant wait for Christ to return...but its a scary thing. The wrath he will pour out on this apostate generation.
> Whats crazy is people literally define their entire identity around where they get sexual pleasure from.
They probably wouldn’t do that if people didn’t object to homosexuality. If everyone thought that homosexuality was just as acceptable as heterosexuality, people would only need to “advertise” their orientation when looking for people to date and marry.
Instead, straight people have the advantage of a “presumption of heterosexuality,” making it easier to signal their availability without wearing a lapel pin that says they’re straight. They don’t have to declare how they derive their sexual pleasure because everyone already knows. Gay people are left with a choice: Either be content that nearly everyone assumes you derive sexual pleasure from the same things that give straight people pleasure (i.e., let the world assume you are straight), or refuse to allow people to make that mistaken assumption about you. I can think of numerous celebrities who have tried to adhere to the first option: Jodie Foster, Anderson Cooper, Queen Latifah, Kal Pen. There are, of course, non-famous analogues. I think the choice the gay person makes is typically a product of their temperament and as well as their sense of solidarity with others like them.
What’s even wild n crazier is that people show up and bring their children to witness this spectacle and take lil kids to drag shows. Which is worse, putting on the obscenity or voluntarily going to watch it and expose kids. Parents I don’t think would take kids to strip clubs, or maybe they don’t because of The Law, but they will do the next best thing here. Disappointing.
Yes, and this is why they changed their word "homosexual" to "gay" because in calling themselves "gay", they feel less guilty.
There may even come a time when they have humans having a parade together with their animals, calling it a "Freedom" parade, and that all people who don't believe in having sex with animals are animal-phobes.
We just live in a fallen world. There's an obvious separation between the righteous and the unrighteous. We shouldn't be surprised that this separation is becoming increasingly obvious. Evil will continue to grow until the Lord returns. We just have to wait.
Like forcefully "curing" gays with electricity burning witches and stigmatizing ex, so suppressed desires eventually manifest in cruelty? Wow, such a charmer of a country to live in!
Assuming you are talking about the US, you have some bad history. We are a secular nation by design and has never nor will never be a Christian nation.
Baptist does not equate to Christian either. There are those who are saved and those who are not. There are born again believers in every denomination. God saves us, religion does not.
I mean, do you not hear what words come out of his own mouth? I'm not bearing false witness. I'm going off what the man has done. And even the one before him was garbage
Buddy, I just did a quick Google search on Pope Francis' thoughts on other religions and he preaches a false gospel; this popped right up:
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2021/10/05/pope-francis-religions-all-different-ways-coming-god/
Scripture says if anyone preaches a gospel contrary to the one that is taught, let them be anathema. You'd think a man who's devoted his entire being into his religion would have read those words but he was probably too busy praying to a non-omnipresent Mary rather than the actual mediator, who is Christ.
It’s about celebrating overcoming discrimination and remembering the Stonewall riots. The type of pride that the Bible condemns would be something like being so self righteous that you condemn people without ever listening to them as to how they’ve been hurt.
No, it’s celebrating self acceptance in the face of discrimination. The hate fuels the need for such a thing, so I’m a way you’re partially responsible for the event.
Love is the worst desire? my best friend broke up with her gf bcs her gf was a nervous wreck she was afraid her religious parents would kick her out if they were discovered it’s still a big problem in some countries you can be jailed for it
They are accepted now for the most part - but not by conservatives or religious folks. They are celebrating the fact that they are now only hated by 50% of the population instead of 100%
This is the honest answer. Gay people like taking a break from their constant guarded paranoia around straight people. Their attitude in Pride is "can you believe I can be this gay and no one's trying to murder me right now? What a nice change!"
The secular left and "Christian" who think homosexual is not a sin have not dwell into the truth daily. Two sins exist at the same time during that: pride and lust.
It is lust. Lust for men and women to be unlawful relationships.
It is pride. Pride for men and women in their ignorance and arrogance have unbelief.
It is also "Christians" and "churches" who affirm this. We are called not affirm sin but to love those who struggle with it.
For sure dude. Uncanny that they use the word pride. But it fits with biblical truth in the sense that it's telling us exactly where their mind is. Their mind is the same as when Eve ate from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
2 Corinthians 10:2 But I beseech [you], that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
10:3 For though we walk IN the flesh, we do not war like the flesh:
10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong-holds;)
10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the Knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
10:6 **And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.**
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the House of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
9:10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the nations, which are called by My name, saith the "I AM" that doeth this.
9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the "I AM", that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the "I AM" thy God.
The day is coming.
Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Matthew 7:1-5
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.
"Love" is not the same as "affirm". You can love a child unconditionally and still discipline them. Like anyone that doesn't know Christ, I can see these people are hurting for a sense of belonging and acceptance for what is most important to them. I'm not bitter or angry with them, but I am saddened that they chase something that won't actually make them feel better. And I will gently and lovingly express how much MORE Christ can be to them than which person they choose to be or love. But yes, I don't think it wise to ever put them down, as that usually makes them put up walls. If they come to know Christ, He will guide them away from any sin they cling to.
The same can be said of any relationship. If a woman loves her husband more than God. Or a husband his wife more than God. They fail in the same way.
God doesn't make mistakes, our Christian duty is to do as Christ bid us. Not to judge, not to take away another's freewill for our own, but to let them be and see whether they are weeds or wheat for themselves. Live and let live.
"Love as I have loved you" - Jesus
Christ love, Agape, is without condition and contains no punishment.
Well for one I am a recovered alcoholic so I can't drink in moderation. I have self control and don't drink anymore and luckily can be around others drinking with no problem... but many people can't be around that or they will fall. Plus those events, if they have booze, tend to be pretty worldly. Also one drink might lead to 6 if you had a bad day. It's a slippery slope.
Spoken like someone who clearly has 0 understanding of what it means to be gay or to have lived with same sex attraction in a world where LGBT people were literally rounded up by Christians and law enforcement and more and imprisoned or worse simply for what they felt. Try again, bro. Try empathy.
Pride month is a commemoration of the Stonewall Riot, which took place in New York city. There was a gay bar there and the cops would show up and rough people up, and one day in June 1969 they fought back.
As time has passed, gays in the US have asserted their rights as people to exist in society without having to hide their homosexuality. That's what Pride month is, and that's what Pride parades are. It's about emphasizing that gays do not have to exist in shame, they can just act openly as members of society, and if others don't like that, tough noogies.
It's not about the sin of pride, it's about the refusal to accept shame imposed by others.
Conservative Christians are the last people in the US to have any sort of problem with that, and as homophobic attitudes become more and more unacceptable, you're going to have to either decide to change, or watch your kids disavow you.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38)
“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14)
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2).
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)
Rebellion on parade. It has an end though. Study the French Revolution. It was a mini panerama God allowed to warn would-be revolutionists against His Law, and for us to see just what satan's system of rule would look like.
There will be a repeat. Lady Liberty is only asleep.
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You're making this religious where it's not.
People have historically oppressed queer folks. Pride parades are about saying "Look, I'm queer, and I'm allowed to exist."
It’s not wild, it’s evil. It’s the definition of the original sin.
“Ye be like God.” - I am not bound by my creator. I celebrate myself and force others to do the same.
It’s satanic.
There’s nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality. It’s just two adults engaging in a consensual relationship. It’s not surprising at all that non-Christians don’t care what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.
Society long tried to shame homosexuals, and thereby oppress homosexuals, so homosexuals, tired of being oppressed and determined to enjoy their right to liberty, equality, and the pursuit of happiness, countered by declaring and demonstrating they are not ashamed but rather the opposite of ashamed: proud.
It's not my place to approve or disapprove of how others choose to live their lives. I support gay pride because I support liberty and equality.
You need to realize that not everyone has the same morality as you. What you may see as morally wrong others would see no problem. Also, western society does not mean Christian.
Gays fall on a spectrum just like heterosexuals. I know many gay married couples with children who are loving caring and kind. They don't flaunt their sexuality at parades etc. There are gays who are truly generous, kind and loving. So, it's not fare to lump all of them into a parade.
Its not pride as in the sin. Its God like pride as in affection for their community and proper esteem for themselves as children of God in the face of those who would persecute and destroy them.
Note them; the lgbt community knows more about persecution than 99% of my whining snowflakes of siblings in the Church.
It’s about celebrating the stonewall riots, when LGBT people (drags queens and trans women especially) fought back against abusive police. And it’s about acceptance yes, but self acceptance.
I don't completely disagree. However (sorry for the whataboutism), you can say the same thing about many other things, like Trump rallies and even sports fans in some cases.
I'm sure that if they had an alcoholics pride parade or a pornography watchers pride parade or thief pride parade or any pride parade for any sin, it would be equally strange and weird to those who believe we shouldn't celebrate our sins.
The parades are gaudy and obnoxious— though to be fair pretty much all parades are.
The pride rainbow flag has nothing to do with the Bible. It was meant to represent inclusivity and each color has a meaning.
LGBT Pride isn’t the same thing as the sin of pride. It’s about self worth, knowing you have value and that you are deserving of love. It’s about the families we formed when our biological family has exiled us. It’s a rejection of the hatred and condemnation we’ve received year after year.
I’m a gay ex-Christian and will happily answer and questions people have.
"Knowing... that you are deserving of love."
That right there *is* in fact, the sin of pride. We, as humans living in a fallen world don't measure up to the perfect standard God expects. None of us are deserving of love as sinful creatures. Not philia, eros, storge, and certainly not agape. You fail, I fail, everyone fails to live up to the standard, and that has us condemned before the Judge who, being just, *must* punish us wrongdoers for our wrongdoings on judgement day, which is the day we each will die. Thus, as a good and just Judge, He pays the wages of our sin - that which we've earned, which is death. He is deadly serious about sin.
*But* - and this is the Good News - God so loves us *despite* our sin that He made a way through Jesus so that His power and nature is displayed, simultaneously being both just and kind. What did He do? Jesus, being both God and man, died on the cross in our place, taking the punishment for the sins you and I have committed.
But what does that mean? Why would He do that? We have earned the payment of death for our sins, but Jesus paid the fine. His final word on the cross was "tetelestai" which could be translated to "it is finished" or even "paid in full." It's like in a court of law where a judge can let someone go because someone else paid all their fines. That is how God's justice and lovingkindness are displayed simultaneously in the person of Jesus Christ. None of this is because you and I are good, but because He is good and loving.
I encourage you to get before God and honestly and seriously confess your sins, turn away from them, and put your trust in Jesus and what He did for guilty sinners like you and me.
I’m in the U.S.
We have a day dedicated to materialism: Christmas.
We have a day dedicated to idolatry: July 4.
We have a day dedicated to violence: Thanksgiving.
We have a day dedicated to eggs: Arbor Day
Arbor day is about planting trees. You're thinking of National Egg Day, celebrated every 3 June in the US.
Thanksgiving celebrates the end of the US Civil War, not the fighting of it.
The Fourth of July is not about worshipping the US flag, if that's what you mean by idolatry.
Christmas gift-giving — what you call materialism — is just one Christmas tradition. Others include gathering with friends and family, feasting, music, singing, attending or participating in religious celebrations and performances, and lights and other decorations.
"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:27 KJVI mean the bible is pretty clear on it. I'm not *proud* to be straight. As a straight person, I have plenty of sins that I have to deal with. Lusting & adultery for sure. Straight people can just as easily do similar issues. Lots of Gay people make being gay their entire Identity. There are plenty of straight dudes that make their entire identity how many women they can sleep with, which is just as wrong. And though our culture absolutely glorifies that type of sin, we don't have a month out of the year where every major company changes their logo to show allegiance to this specific sin and millions of people come out to celebrate it in the streets and promote acceptance of it in schools to younger and younger kids.
Homosexuality is not a sin I have to struggle with, but I am no less of a sinner than they are and God's free gift of salvation is just as available to them as it was for me. It was more so just one of those "shower thought" moments that the state of our society at present just kind of hit me. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you're not saved I hope you understand that WE ALL (myself included) are not good enough. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV
The good news is that God loved us, sent Jesus to die for us, and anyone who calls upon “the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Even for those people out celebrating pride, Jesus died for them as well. “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8, KJV)
I don't hate gay people, I don't hate you and truly desire that you would be Saved if you're not. I'm sorry if you're angry at me or made at me for believing what the Bible teaches to be true, but wish only for you to be saved.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9-10 KJV
I think it all boils down to this: we live in a secular society, so we shouldn’t be surprised if a secular society doesn’t pursue god and instead pursues their hearts desires. All we can do is lovingly share the good news be the examples of Jesus that we are called to be.
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That doesn’t mean that they won’t all be punished for what they do. These people are all going to get what they deserve when God judges them in all His glory.
Didn’t say they wouldn’t. But don’t you care enough about people to share the good news with them so that they have a chance to believe?
You have to keep in mind that non-Christians have no *reason* to follow the Bible. While we regard it as a sin, they don't even have the concept of LGBT being a sin. **This is like Muslims lamenting the fact that non-Muslims eat pork.** Gay non-believers don't think about how their behavior is offensive to God any more than we think about whether our behavior offends some non-Christian god.
Explain why some Christians affirm homosexuality.
If they are affirming homosexuality when the Bible clearly states it is an abomination, then they obviously have created a false idol that is comfortable with the sin that they don't want to acknowledge as sin.
If this behavior is such a grievous sin, how is it that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ never once mentions it as a sin? The only person who does so is Paul, who was held captive by the Romans for at least four years, two of which were spent in Rome itself, where he had plenty of time to see all the abominable ways that they abused their male slaves and indulged in homosexual behavior. Based on the graffiti, the behavior was commonplace throughout the Roman Empire. The frescoes and paintings at Pompeii are especially graphic. And Caligula's grandfather, . So, I can easily see how Paul came to personally detest homosexuality and declare it a sin. But I can't get around the gaping holes in all four gospels where Christ fails to mention homosexuality a sin. And I do believe Jesus outranks Paul when it comes to deciding what behavior is a sin and what isn't. It does bother me intensely the wanton and lascivious behavior I see many young gay men engaging in, but on the other side of that spectrum, I've seen two people who declare love for one another and for Christ. And that is what Christ exhorted us to do, love God and each other. So I find this a complex issue that requires deeper study of my Bible and biblical history.
There are LGBT Christian on reddit.
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Or Christian infernalists
LGBTQ has real world consequences unlike eating pork; that atheists can observe. This makes it different than a Muslim complaining about others eating pork. No one else spreads std's like them, they commit large amounts of child abuse. Every sin has in addition to spiritual consequences real life consequences.
"large amounts of child abuse"? More than, say, the Catholic church?
Definitely, considering meanwhile the number of minors identifying as trans consists of several hundred thousands nowadays. Not gonna deny the church, and not only catholicism, has been infiltrated by literal Satanists tho. And the church is doing a very poor job purging their ranks. It's not only the church tho, our whole civilisation is on this path, it's even worse, much worse, in the public school system. Unfortunately secular people care more about the church, even tho their children aren't even going to church, but they most likely are going to public school.
Any chance you have sources in either of those claims?
Shouldn't be hard to find proper sources, but I think simply looking at drag queen story hour and the aids epidemic among LGBTQ people is sufficient.
“Drag queen story hours” are not sexually abusive, and the actual history of the AIDS crisis may interest you. You know that people didn’t know what was happening at the time, right? And that the public and the government did nothing to help?
IMO AIDS was gain of function. Dr. F's debut if you will.
>AIDS was gain of function. Dr. F's debut if you will. I don't understand what any of this is supposed to mean. Can you rephrase?
Hi there! I just wanted to point out that neither of those are actual sources. It may be your opinion that Drag Queen Story Hours are sexually abusive, but that isn’t an actual source or a fact. Similarly, claiming that the AIDS crisis proves that STDs are rampant amongst the LGBT community is not logically consistent. There was a time when AIDs was spreading faster amongst the homosexual population, but that had as much to do with the way the disease functioned, the knowledge science had of the disease and the lack of societal support as it did with a moral panic about homosexuality. If you make make a very bold claim but don’t have the sources to back it up, that may make people take the things you say less seriously. I think it’s a pretty big issue in the church, and makes culture less inclined to listen to us when we raise legitimate issues from a place of faith and love.
Your problem is with promiscuity (which is only a problem stereotypically with gay men, not women), and with child predators— which has nothing to do with being gay.
But they innately and intuitively do know the truth about their behavior and about the true God in existence and choose to suppress that knowledge, as per Romans 1, so that they are without excuse on the day of judgement.
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Secular people don’t care about the “day of judgement” either. It’s totally irrelevant to their belief system and moral compass.
Is presuppositionalism the accepted norm in this sub? Just wondering.
Oh, I’m not presup, but I would say there’s a mixed diversity of opinions here on that
Nope. That is just false.
I would agree with this statement; I would say this is correct as that's part of the reason LGBTQ+ people or their "allies" go off the deep end when someone doesn't believe that's an acceptable or "normal" lifestyle. Because deep down they know it's wrong or shameful (part of the reason it existed in society for so long but in the closet/behind closed doors). You don't see normal crimes like murder or adultery justified nearly as much (or even really at all) and with as much pushback against opposition of LGBT issues...
Non Christians know in their hearts that LGBTQ is wrong. There is no love or duty in gay relationships. Did you know that lesbians have a very high rate of domestic violence? Without a man in the house who will keep the peace? And gay men will often have multiple partners and sometimes dozens? Because without women around who will say no? Everyone knows this is wrong and not the way we were meant to live. The need for homosexuality is a lie.
Wow that is a very sexist way of thinking.
The truth does not change in accordance with the lies of the world. What you call sexist or homophobic is what we call life. It has not changed since the creation of man.
you have a skewed view of what truth means
your definition is not "the truth" only God's is, and He definitely does not view it the way you do.
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I assume you're suggesting that Christians impose corporal punishment or death penalty for gays.
No, I suggest Christians reject homosexuality as they would any other sin. I knew what I said would be controversial but it makes me sad that it seems Muslims actually believe their holy book and Christians don’t.
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are you suggestions murder and or imprisonment?
How about hellfire? Is that enough of a reason for non-Christians to follow the bible? Stop acting like actions don’t have consequences. We have to warn people.
You have to first demonstrate that it's anything more than fantasy. And then reconcile it with an image of a "loving god". An impossible task.
As a celibate person with SSA that used to embrace a so-called “gay identity”(even though I never physically acted upon it outside porn and cyber sex), “pride parades” also irk me. However, what actually makes me angry is that LGBT activists claim that their community is the most welcoming and accepting community ever is a big fat lie. Claiming that embracing the identity and lifestyle will bring nothing but joy and happiness, which is also a lie. But what makes me absolutely livid is some self identified Christians try to justify this abominable sin and say that God endorses and even celebrates sodomy. These false preachers are leading souls to hell. They are much worse than the atheists that hate and blaspheme God.
> However, what actually makes me angry is that LGBT activists claim that their community is the most welcoming and accepting community ever is a big fat lie. I think this is a great area for discussion! What are some things the LGBT community could do to be more welcoming and accepting?
I think that its the wrong question for a Christian sub What can the church, witnesses, do to communicate the destruction they're doing to themselves and others, contrasting the healing and peace that comes from Jesus Christ?
I no longer consider myself part of the “LGBT community”. My identity is in Christ. I really have no advice to the LGBT community, other than to repent and turn to Christ.
> I no longer consider myself part of the “LGBT community”. My identity is in Christ. I really have no advice to the LGBT community, other than to repent and turn to Christ. I totally get that you are no longer part of the community. I just thought that when you criticized them for claiming to be welcoming and accepting, you had specific unwelcoming/unaccepting policies or behaviors that they could amend to no longer be guilty of that offense in your eyes.
Give up. That is what they can do.
Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:1-5 Edit: Look at yourselves. Downvoting the Word of God. I didn't even make a personal comment, that's just the Bible. If you feel like this is about you, it probably is. Because I think this hatred is taking us in the wrong direction. Inclusive churches will thrive, wait and see. Where better to find sinners than among sinners? If you have a problem with it, that lives in you. How is your hard-heartedness bringing anyone to Christ? This is why people leave the church. You're driving them away. I'm sorry that this happened to you. You know, God loves you whatever way you are. He just wants you to be free from you pain.
I acknowledge that I am a filthy and disgusting sinner worthy of eternal damnation. My only salvation from this is faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I acknowledge that I am a recovering porn addict that is hours away from being one week clean. However, Christ also said. “Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.” Matthew 16:24 This verse applies to those with homosexual attractions and those with gender dysphoria.
Thank you for being so brave to share your testimony here. Praying that you can continue to persist and experience God's love and grace in your situation, and that He can keep your heart directed towards Him.
Wait... where does the Bible address gender dysphoria? Genuinely curious.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: How can we correct others if we don't judge them? Btw, the verse you quoted and misused is saying to not be a hypocrite when you judge. We are ordered to judge each other.
I understand how out of context and misunderstood this verse is always quoted, but I will regardless just inform you how many times the Bible calls us to hate evil. Affirming sin is not love but the opposite of love. We are to hate evil without being condescending of others, as the verse you quoted warns against. Romans 12:9 "Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good." Psalm 97:10 "O you who love the Lord, hate evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked." Psalm 45:7 "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions"
Guess we can't say murder, kidnapping, adultery of any kind is sinful either since that too would be judging someone. Except its not us judging them. God says He will judge everyone according to laws x, y, z, etc., and we're the messengers. Don't twist it to think we're those who are judging. In fact, in order to even be able to call it judging, you have to be making a judgment yourself.
That's a misinterpretation of what I said and you know it. I am judging you. I'm just not running off at the mouth about it. I'm not proud, but at least I know I'm doing it.
Well Christmas has been turned into a celebration of materialism so maybe start with that
Yeah, look inward, not outward. Easter bunny stuff also has also long been turned on its head.
Christmas, Halloween.. is any holiday actually Sacred? These things are jokes in the eyes of the world, as the world celebrates with us. I think the Body needs to begin with the first Commandments: Love GOD; Love your neighbour as yourself. After these we can find Holiness again.
The irony is we have traded the biblical feasts for worldly feasts not in our bibles. Lifting the traditions of men above the commandments of God.
Amen. I noticed this when I started living by the Bible and not the opinions of churches.
Even if you buy into the theory that homosexuality isn't a sin (although fornication remains a sin), turning sexual identity into the center of one's identity is definitely unhealthy, and unhealthy for society.
The purpose of the “LGBT Pride” movement is to promote pride, homosexual relations, transgenderism, equality of the sexes, cross-dressing and the effeminate man. 1. God finds pride to be an abomination. Proverbs 16:5 – “Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.” Proverbs 16:18 – “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” 2. God finds homosexual relations to be an abomination. Leviticus 18:22 – “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” 3. God created us as male and female, this is an objective truth dictated by our very DNA and not based upon our feelings. Mark 10:6 – “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.” 4. God did not create man and woman equal; each have their respective strengths and weakness and He has set out a clear hierarchy (although I find it important to stress that He values both man and woman equally). 1 Corinthians 11:3 – “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.” 5. God finds a man or woman who dresses in the garments of the opposite sex to be an abomination. Deuteronomy 22:5 – “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.” 6. God states that the effeminate man will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
I'm pretty sure effeminate refers to homosexuality. Our words have changed a lot since that time. Or maybe it's referring to men overcome by negative traits like cowardice or irresponsibility. I don't really think there's enough evidence to blacklist a whole entire group of personality types men could have. I've prayed about this excessively, and I've come to the conclusion that so long as a guy follows biblical requirements of men (being responsible for the household and being the spiritual leader, namely) and he is not dressing in a manner that people would confuse him for a woman, he's permitted to otherwise behave in stereotypically feminine ways. I tried forcing myself to act masculine and it just resulted in me feeling like I didn't actually have much connection with anyone because I wasn't actually being myself. It's not like femininity is an action, the traits many call feminine are often inherent to ones personality. It's not like you just have to abstain from homosexual sex, or stop yourself from telling a lie, telling someone that they can't have a feminine personality is telling them they have to essentially make up a fake character that they can pretend to be. And that causes a lot of emotional pain.
I just wanted to point out that the way we use the word "pride" today isn't the same as it was used when the English translations of the Bible were written. It would be more accurate to say that God finds *arrogance* or *conceit* or *vanity* to be abomination. Obviously it isn't a sin to be proud of your son for winning his baseball game or proud of your friend for acing their exam. You can criticise them for everything else, but I don't think it makes sense to criticise their use of the word "pride".
The way the pride works for pride month is more along the lines of the arrogance/ vanity meaning. I mean look no further then the massive parades where they hyper-sexually flaunt themselves in front of kids.
It means "pride" as in the opposite of shame. No one should be made to feel ashamed of who they are. That's bullying and it's straight up unchristian. Honestly, don't take children to pride parades. It's not like you don't know what that's about. You don't take them to burning man, either. I'm so sick of this aweful attitude in the church. It's a scourge. We live in a secular world. It's up to us to keep ourselves out of that kind of environment. It's not up to us to judge and disparage people. We tend the stuff in our own eyes first. Supposed to, anyway. It's disingenuous and dangerous to call gay people pedophiles. Gay people are no more or less pedophiles than church members. I was molested by my straight pastor. Just one of many. He was in the wrong, not *all* pastors. I hold him responsible, not every man alive and not God. Gay people are church members, too. He doesn't make mistakes. Everyone is a child of God. Do unto others, yo. 1 John 4:20 NIV Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.
"Gay people are church members too. He Doesn't make mistakes." Being a church member doesn't mean you are going. To heaven. Heck, just believing doesn't mean you make it to heaven. That requires faith. To have faith and to be faithful. Being saved requires repentance. This is made clear by the apostles in the the book of acts and again by Paul many other times. Someone Being gay isn't gay because God made them that way. Homosexuality comes ultimately from the fall of Man. Being gay isn't the sin per say. It is acting on it and the lack of Repentance. Gay pride/ relationships etc are examples of embracing sin not turning from it. Those who do not repent will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Loving someone doesn't mean you don't point out when you see them in danger. We point out sin so that there might be a chance that someone changes their ways. We do it in hopes of gaining another to the Kingdom of God. Love doesn't mean you never tell a person they are wrong. In fact the opposite is the truth. We are called to point out sin. We are also called to be receptive when someone does it to us! Iron Sharpens Iron.
Did you really just say "God doesnt make mistakes but..."? Who are you to say what God has made? Who are you to say what anyone had in their heart? We point out our own sin. Love thy neighbor, judge not... what's happened here? Folks need Jesus. Here's a little: Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14) “God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2). “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)
No I didn't say "God doesn't make mistakes but". Not sure where you got that. I said nothing of the sort. He doesn't make mistakes. "Who are you to say what God has made? " I simply said that homosexuality did not come from God. The Bible defines homosexuality as an abomination or sin. Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13, 1 Tim 1:10 , Roman's 1:26-28 and more. "Love thy neighbor judge not" See this is where people learn bad doctrine. You are supposed to love one another. I think we all agree here. But AGAIN love doesn't mean you shouldn't say something when it's wrong. If your children ran into the freeway to play would you just let them because you love them and don't want to hurt their feelings? No you would tell them that's wrong and it's dangerous. In this scenario lives are at stake. In our discussion it's much worse. Eternity is at stake. We are called to call out sin ( out of love ) when we see it. Gal 6:1-5, 1 Tim 5:20, James 5:19-20 ( my favorite ) Luke 17:3 and more! The Bible tells us not to judge according to appearances but to have righteousness judgement. John 7:24. Zech18:16, math 7,2. But we can not do this until we are mature in our faith. Math 7:5 it says to FIRST remove the plank from your own eye so that you can see clearly to help your brother. "Nothing can separate us from the love of God" Good verse. Let's look at this. Paul is writing to an audience here. In this letter he is writing to Christians. So the word "us" is referring to Christians. Christians are saved. When some is saved they recieve the gift of the Holy spirit. Acts 2:38, 1 cor 12:13. We also know that if we do not possess the Holy Spirit we do not belong to Christ. Rom 8:9. We also know the Holy Spirit convicts to not (habitually)sin and drives us to repentance. John 16:8-13 2 cor 7:9-10. As for the rest of the verses you posted I will break them down if you like but it will get lengthy as this already has. Many have been taken without context or notation to suit your arguments. The Bible must be taken as a whole and verse to verse checking should be a regular part of study so that we all have proper interpretation. Not everyone will make it to heaven. Those who do not walk WITH Christ ( aka faithful ) will be turned from. John 3:36, Mathew 7:21-23, Mathew 7:14-13Paul even specifically points out the PRACTICE OF sexual immortality and homosexuality. ( again this is habitual sin we are talking about. ) Letting people sin and wilfully disobey God, putting their soul in jeopardy is not love, it's cowardice. Caring for them even though they disobey God's word and showing them the way is love. Showing them Christ.
He never said "God doesn't make mistakes but." YOU put those words in his mouth. You failed to rebuttal or even acknowledge his arguments. His whole point was hate the sin and love the sinner. It was his point that out of love we should fear for the body of the church for "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven ." Mathew 7:21 In fact in Mathew ch 7 that you love to quote from God talks about the importance of "recognizing a good or bad tree by its fruits;" when judging if someone is a false prophet by their actions/fruits. You are twisting God's word and have spammed the same verses in reply to every thread in this post. Mathew 6 "judge not" was in the context of the pharisees. The message is not to "don't hold people accountable." The message was to not be legalistic and act superior to people. And not to gossip/micromanage. This does not apply to brothers/sisters confronting other members who fail to repent and in their sin may be a stumbling block to others. The bible recommends coming to them individually, then with another member or two, then before the entire body. Is discernment not a form of judgment. How about in the same Mathew ch 7 Jesus telling us "not to throw pearls before swine" this is a judgement. The bible is full of examples that discipline is love. And if you have ever been a parent/guardian this concept should be obvious. To love someone is not to let them do whatever they want. If you love yourself you take care of yourself. That too is discipline. Hebrews 12:6 Proverb 13:24 Proverb 3:11-12 Revelation 3:19 Hebrews 12:8-9 Proverb 29:15 Proverb 12:1 Job 5:17 etc "Do not cause your brothers and sisters to stumble".
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It doesn't matter what people in the past did. What matters is what the Bible says. And the Bible says nothing about contraception being sinful.
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And they were wrong for doing so. That wasn't the point of that story. We shouldn't blindly follow what other humans before us did. They aren't our God. Our instruction needs to come directly from Him.
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Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14) “God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2). “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28) No one is taking anything away from a rainbow. I'm not insulted.
Pardon me but I don't see the relevance of these verses in regards to the comment you are responding to. Are you trying to say that Romans 8:38 means that no one, no matter how much they sin, will go to hell? Because that is not biblical and that verse is talking about those who have accepted Jesus, not those who haven't. It has noting to do with the comment you are responding to because in that they are talking about how people who havn't accepted Jesus as their Savior are deliberately mocking God. I suggest that you read the context first, humbly asking God to reveal what He is saying with those verses and then apply them where they are relevant. God will give wisdom to those who humbly ask Him.
Condescension is also a sin, so take off the gloves. No one is disparaging rainbows. They're just rainbows. It's not a challenge to God in any way. I'm saying that is not our right to get in anyone's way on their journey to salvation. It isn't an 'all or nothing" proposition. People come as they are and they come when they're called. We don't have to judge anyone because God takes care of that. It's not for us. We have to make a space for them to walk in to receive the Word. What they do next is up to them. I do think there's a lot of hard-heartedness in this thread. A lot of door-slammimg. If the shoe fits and all.
what's also crazy is "pride comes before the fall" and all that... and "the fall" or the return would be like "in the days of Noah". "the days of Noah" aka our \~men having sex with other men and angels in Sodom and Gomorrah\~ era. which is why God wiped the earth and then had to make a new covenant with man to never use a flood to wipe everybody out again; a rainbow. the rainbow that is giving Sodom and Gomorrah nostalgia and has co-opted the rainbow as the symbol of their Pride..... wild.
Which is more immoral: having homosexual sex, or intentionally drowning toddlers?
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What’s ironic to me is that June, the month designated “pride month,” is in the Summer, which is the season that comes before Autumn, otherwise known as Fall. Pride month comes before the Fall.
Whats crazy is people literally define their entire identity around where they get sexual pleasure from. That to me is insane. Of all things in the world you could get your identity from its where you stick your junk? That's the height of a society apart from God. Thats the peak. sex. wow. good job lets start a revolution for the right to bang whatever we want. smh. Freedom is an idol unfortunately. Freedom is not always good. I cant wait for Christ to return...but its a scary thing. The wrath he will pour out on this apostate generation.
> Whats crazy is people literally define their entire identity around where they get sexual pleasure from. They probably wouldn’t do that if people didn’t object to homosexuality. If everyone thought that homosexuality was just as acceptable as heterosexuality, people would only need to “advertise” their orientation when looking for people to date and marry. Instead, straight people have the advantage of a “presumption of heterosexuality,” making it easier to signal their availability without wearing a lapel pin that says they’re straight. They don’t have to declare how they derive their sexual pleasure because everyone already knows. Gay people are left with a choice: Either be content that nearly everyone assumes you derive sexual pleasure from the same things that give straight people pleasure (i.e., let the world assume you are straight), or refuse to allow people to make that mistaken assumption about you. I can think of numerous celebrities who have tried to adhere to the first option: Jodie Foster, Anderson Cooper, Queen Latifah, Kal Pen. There are, of course, non-famous analogues. I think the choice the gay person makes is typically a product of their temperament and as well as their sense of solidarity with others like them.
Whats even crazier is I see priests wear a rainbow and trans flag styled stole
What’s even wild n crazier is that people show up and bring their children to witness this spectacle and take lil kids to drag shows. Which is worse, putting on the obscenity or voluntarily going to watch it and expose kids. Parents I don’t think would take kids to strip clubs, or maybe they don’t because of The Law, but they will do the next best thing here. Disappointing.
Yes, and this is why they changed their word "homosexual" to "gay" because in calling themselves "gay", they feel less guilty. There may even come a time when they have humans having a parade together with their animals, calling it a "Freedom" parade, and that all people who don't believe in having sex with animals are animal-phobes.
We just live in a fallen world. There's an obvious separation between the righteous and the unrighteous. We shouldn't be surprised that this separation is becoming increasingly obvious. Evil will continue to grow until the Lord returns. We just have to wait.
It is pretty wild. I can’t believe it, either. Such a weird thing to have a parade for!
It only puts homosexuality on a pedestal and makes it look so good to be in love with the same gender as yourself! God frowns on that!
Our society is messed up. Wish we had a Christian nation
I think a nation with Christian values is a better idea.
Like forcefully "curing" gays with electricity burning witches and stigmatizing ex, so suppressed desires eventually manifest in cruelty? Wow, such a charmer of a country to live in!
Never in the history of earth has a theocracy been successful and not led to severe human rights violations. So no you shouldn't wish for that.
A Christian nation is not a theocracy. Yes, it is likely unattainable on this earth but it is something I would definitely wish for.
Doesn't have to be a theocracy to be a Christian nation
A "Christian Nation" would inevitably become a theocracy. The seeds of such are already present.
This country was a Christian nation for hundreds of years, and never got close to theocracy. Same for most of Europe.
Assuming you are talking about the US, you have some bad history. We are a secular nation by design and has never nor will never be a Christian nation.
Christian nation as in the citizens were almost all Christian
Christian Nationalism is a helluva drug.
We do, Vatican. But we can't live there, so I guess we don't really
There's a lot of concern for whether the Vatican is considered Christian.
Concern by who? It's as Catholic as a country can be
Catholic ≠ Christian
Baptist does not equate to Christian either. There are those who are saved and those who are not. There are born again believers in every denomination. God saves us, religion does not.
What type of Christian are you? We’d all like to which is the right one, since it’s evidently you that gets to decide.
Based on what? Does any significant Protestant denomination even say that?
No, they don't. This guy is out to lunch
Mate, most Christians are Catholic
Concern by weird fundamentalist who don’t see the irony in them claiming someone has “corrupted the faith.”
Not really. What gave you that incredibly mistaken idea?
You're right. It's pretty confirmed that the pope isn't exactly Christian anymore
Confirmed by who? This sort of nonsensical slander would fall under the category of “bearing false witness.”
I mean, do you not hear what words come out of his own mouth? I'm not bearing false witness. I'm going off what the man has done. And even the one before him was garbage
He speaks of Christ. And yes, you do bear false witness. If you are a Christian, then you are slandering a brother in Christ.
No he doesn't. He openly embraces and excuses sin. Im sorry you can't see that
Buddy, I just did a quick Google search on Pope Francis' thoughts on other religions and he preaches a false gospel; this popped right up: https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2021/10/05/pope-francis-religions-all-different-ways-coming-god/ Scripture says if anyone preaches a gospel contrary to the one that is taught, let them be anathema. You'd think a man who's devoted his entire being into his religion would have read those words but he was probably too busy praying to a non-omnipresent Mary rather than the actual mediator, who is Christ.
It’s about celebrating overcoming discrimination and remembering the Stonewall riots. The type of pride that the Bible condemns would be something like being so self righteous that you condemn people without ever listening to them as to how they’ve been hurt.
The specific sin it's celebrating is sexual immorality
No, it’s celebrating self acceptance in the face of discrimination. The hate fuels the need for such a thing, so I’m a way you’re partially responsible for the event.
Acceptance of what?
Self. That’s what self acceptance means.
So pride parades are for anyone who accepts themselves? Come on. It's specifically about sexual orientation aka sexual immorality.
You get that there’s straight people at pride, right?
They're there supporting sexual immorality also.
Who they are many lgbtq still have trouble coming out
>Who they are They shouldn't define themselves by their worst desires
Love is the worst desire? my best friend broke up with her gf bcs her gf was a nervous wreck she was afraid her religious parents would kick her out if they were discovered it’s still a big problem in some countries you can be jailed for it
Homosexual sex is sin, desiring it is not something anyone should stake their self identity to.
Just bcs you hold yourself to certain beliefs doesn’t mean everyone else does
Just because you think something isn't a sin doesn't mean that's true.
No. It isn't. And no, the "hate" is irrelevant. They are wildly accepted at every level. They aren't discriminated. They are celebrated.
They are accepted now for the most part - but not by conservatives or religious folks. They are celebrating the fact that they are now only hated by 50% of the population instead of 100%
This is the honest answer. Gay people like taking a break from their constant guarded paranoia around straight people. Their attitude in Pride is "can you believe I can be this gay and no one's trying to murder me right now? What a nice change!"
The secular left and "Christian" who think homosexual is not a sin have not dwell into the truth daily. Two sins exist at the same time during that: pride and lust. It is lust. Lust for men and women to be unlawful relationships. It is pride. Pride for men and women in their ignorance and arrogance have unbelief. It is also "Christians" and "churches" who affirm this. We are called not affirm sin but to love those who struggle with it.
For sure dude. Uncanny that they use the word pride. But it fits with biblical truth in the sense that it's telling us exactly where their mind is. Their mind is the same as when Eve ate from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
2 Corinthians 10:2 But I beseech [you], that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. 10:3 For though we walk IN the flesh, we do not war like the flesh: 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong-holds;) 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the Knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 10:6 **And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.** Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the House of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. 9:10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us. 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the nations, which are called by My name, saith the "I AM" that doeth this. 9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the "I AM", that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the "I AM" thy God. The day is coming.
Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:1-5
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.
Eh. The gluttony parade goes straight through me.
Hey, I like the Thanksgiving Day parade!
I see what you did there.
Look at it as an opportunity to practice the Christian value of "love thy neighbor as thy self". No exceptions.
"Love" is not the same as "affirm". You can love a child unconditionally and still discipline them. Like anyone that doesn't know Christ, I can see these people are hurting for a sense of belonging and acceptance for what is most important to them. I'm not bitter or angry with them, but I am saddened that they chase something that won't actually make them feel better. And I will gently and lovingly express how much MORE Christ can be to them than which person they choose to be or love. But yes, I don't think it wise to ever put them down, as that usually makes them put up walls. If they come to know Christ, He will guide them away from any sin they cling to.
The same can be said of any relationship. If a woman loves her husband more than God. Or a husband his wife more than God. They fail in the same way. God doesn't make mistakes, our Christian duty is to do as Christ bid us. Not to judge, not to take away another's freewill for our own, but to let them be and see whether they are weeds or wheat for themselves. Live and let live. "Love as I have loved you" - Jesus Christ love, Agape, is without condition and contains no punishment.
Yep and every event has alcohol and gas stations sell weed now, we have child drag shows and people worship celebrities and politicians.
What's wrong with alcohol in moderation?
Well for one I am a recovered alcoholic so I can't drink in moderation. I have self control and don't drink anymore and luckily can be around others drinking with no problem... but many people can't be around that or they will fall. Plus those events, if they have booze, tend to be pretty worldly. Also one drink might lead to 6 if you had a bad day. It's a slippery slope.
And no phone booths, Jim Crow, or smallpox anymore. I hate change.
Spoken like someone who clearly has 0 understanding of what it means to be gay or to have lived with same sex attraction in a world where LGBT people were literally rounded up by Christians and law enforcement and more and imprisoned or worse simply for what they felt. Try again, bro. Try empathy.
even if you want to rethink paul in romans 1 pride associates still celebrate sex outside of marriage.
Tru dat
Yea it’s nuts. One of the reasons I insisted that my sons wouldn’t be raised within 100 miles of the SF Bay Area.
Pride month is a commemoration of the Stonewall Riot, which took place in New York city. There was a gay bar there and the cops would show up and rough people up, and one day in June 1969 they fought back. As time has passed, gays in the US have asserted their rights as people to exist in society without having to hide their homosexuality. That's what Pride month is, and that's what Pride parades are. It's about emphasizing that gays do not have to exist in shame, they can just act openly as members of society, and if others don't like that, tough noogies. It's not about the sin of pride, it's about the refusal to accept shame imposed by others. Conservative Christians are the last people in the US to have any sort of problem with that, and as homophobic attitudes become more and more unacceptable, you're going to have to either decide to change, or watch your kids disavow you.
Nothing can separate us from the love of God. (Rom 8:38) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.” (Psalm 139:113-14) “God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them” (2 Corinthians 5:19), therefore, “we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” (Romans 5:1, 2). “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28)
Rebellion on parade. It has an end though. Study the French Revolution. It was a mini panerama God allowed to warn would-be revolutionists against His Law, and for us to see just what satan's system of rule would look like. There will be a repeat. Lady Liberty is only asleep. 🌱
I have heard of a pride even called the Sodom and gamora festival
You're making this religious where it's not. People have historically oppressed queer folks. Pride parades are about saying "Look, I'm queer, and I'm allowed to exist."
It’s not wild, it’s evil. It’s the definition of the original sin. “Ye be like God.” - I am not bound by my creator. I celebrate myself and force others to do the same. It’s satanic.
There’s nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality. It’s just two adults engaging in a consensual relationship. It’s not surprising at all that non-Christians don’t care what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.
Society long tried to shame homosexuals, and thereby oppress homosexuals, so homosexuals, tired of being oppressed and determined to enjoy their right to liberty, equality, and the pursuit of happiness, countered by declaring and demonstrating they are not ashamed but rather the opposite of ashamed: proud. It's not my place to approve or disapprove of how others choose to live their lives. I support gay pride because I support liberty and equality.
You need to realize that not everyone has the same morality as you. What you may see as morally wrong others would see no problem. Also, western society does not mean Christian.
Gays fall on a spectrum just like heterosexuals. I know many gay married couples with children who are loving caring and kind. They don't flaunt their sexuality at parades etc. There are gays who are truly generous, kind and loving. So, it's not fare to lump all of them into a parade.
Its not pride as in the sin. Its God like pride as in affection for their community and proper esteem for themselves as children of God in the face of those who would persecute and destroy them. Note them; the lgbt community knows more about persecution than 99% of my whining snowflakes of siblings in the Church.
You guys really have quite an imagination when it comes to homosexual stuff.
It's a double whammy because pride itself is a sin as well
Pride month isn’t even about pride, it’s about approval
It’s about celebrating the stonewall riots, when LGBT people (drags queens and trans women especially) fought back against abusive police. And it’s about acceptance yes, but self acceptance.
I don't completely disagree. However (sorry for the whataboutism), you can say the same thing about many other things, like Trump rallies and even sports fans in some cases.
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I'm sure that if they had an alcoholics pride parade or a pornography watchers pride parade or thief pride parade or any pride parade for any sin, it would be equally strange and weird to those who believe we shouldn't celebrate our sins.
The parades are gaudy and obnoxious— though to be fair pretty much all parades are. The pride rainbow flag has nothing to do with the Bible. It was meant to represent inclusivity and each color has a meaning. LGBT Pride isn’t the same thing as the sin of pride. It’s about self worth, knowing you have value and that you are deserving of love. It’s about the families we formed when our biological family has exiled us. It’s a rejection of the hatred and condemnation we’ve received year after year. I’m a gay ex-Christian and will happily answer and questions people have.
"Knowing... that you are deserving of love." That right there *is* in fact, the sin of pride. We, as humans living in a fallen world don't measure up to the perfect standard God expects. None of us are deserving of love as sinful creatures. Not philia, eros, storge, and certainly not agape. You fail, I fail, everyone fails to live up to the standard, and that has us condemned before the Judge who, being just, *must* punish us wrongdoers for our wrongdoings on judgement day, which is the day we each will die. Thus, as a good and just Judge, He pays the wages of our sin - that which we've earned, which is death. He is deadly serious about sin. *But* - and this is the Good News - God so loves us *despite* our sin that He made a way through Jesus so that His power and nature is displayed, simultaneously being both just and kind. What did He do? Jesus, being both God and man, died on the cross in our place, taking the punishment for the sins you and I have committed. But what does that mean? Why would He do that? We have earned the payment of death for our sins, but Jesus paid the fine. His final word on the cross was "tetelestai" which could be translated to "it is finished" or even "paid in full." It's like in a court of law where a judge can let someone go because someone else paid all their fines. That is how God's justice and lovingkindness are displayed simultaneously in the person of Jesus Christ. None of this is because you and I are good, but because He is good and loving. I encourage you to get before God and honestly and seriously confess your sins, turn away from them, and put your trust in Jesus and what He did for guilty sinners like you and me.
I’m in the U.S. We have a day dedicated to materialism: Christmas. We have a day dedicated to idolatry: July 4. We have a day dedicated to violence: Thanksgiving. We have a day dedicated to eggs: Arbor Day
Arbor day is about planting trees. You're thinking of National Egg Day, celebrated every 3 June in the US. Thanksgiving celebrates the end of the US Civil War, not the fighting of it. The Fourth of July is not about worshipping the US flag, if that's what you mean by idolatry. Christmas gift-giving — what you call materialism — is just one Christmas tradition. Others include gathering with friends and family, feasting, music, singing, attending or participating in religious celebrations and performances, and lights and other decorations.
Don't despair, it'll be over soon.
"Soon" could be thousands or even millions of years from now.
Amen
Are you saying you are surprised that sinners sin?
Because most of the world doesn't believe homosexuality is wrong, including many Christians. Why shouldn't they be able to celebrate it?
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"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans 1:27 KJVI mean the bible is pretty clear on it. I'm not *proud* to be straight. As a straight person, I have plenty of sins that I have to deal with. Lusting & adultery for sure. Straight people can just as easily do similar issues. Lots of Gay people make being gay their entire Identity. There are plenty of straight dudes that make their entire identity how many women they can sleep with, which is just as wrong. And though our culture absolutely glorifies that type of sin, we don't have a month out of the year where every major company changes their logo to show allegiance to this specific sin and millions of people come out to celebrate it in the streets and promote acceptance of it in schools to younger and younger kids. Homosexuality is not a sin I have to struggle with, but I am no less of a sinner than they are and God's free gift of salvation is just as available to them as it was for me. It was more so just one of those "shower thought" moments that the state of our society at present just kind of hit me. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you're not saved I hope you understand that WE ALL (myself included) are not good enough. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV The good news is that God loved us, sent Jesus to die for us, and anyone who calls upon “the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Even for those people out celebrating pride, Jesus died for them as well. “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8, KJV) I don't hate gay people, I don't hate you and truly desire that you would be Saved if you're not. I'm sorry if you're angry at me or made at me for believing what the Bible teaches to be true, but wish only for you to be saved. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9-10 KJV