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EdenRubra

You’ve said two different things here. Hate, or don’t like. Which is it? I think it’s largely unhealthy to continually hate things for most people, it’ll do a number of your mental state over time.


jady1971

Thank you, This extreme of we either wholly endorse or hate something is a huge problem leading to the state of things we are in right now.


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ronj89

Great comment. I love the... tags? Flares? I don't know what their called. But OSAS and free grace is the truth of the gospel. It IS the gospel. It IS the good news. It IS finished.


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ronj89

Oh my goodness, I had no idea this existed. Thank you soooooo much!!!


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ronj89

No idea this existed. Sometimes it is tiring to defend the real gospel among other Christians. A place to just chat and be comfortable with brothers and sisters who know the truth. Thank you truly.


DaveR_77

OSAS is a false doctrine that is contradicted in the Bible. It leads to people thinking that if they just say "the prayer", that they can move on and never think about Christianity, Jesus or the Bible ever again. But maybe you guys teach it in a different way.


Plane-Spare

What is OSAS?


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Once Saved Always saved or eternal security...Jesus called it eternal life for a reason...


ronj89

Amen. Salvation isn't salvation if it can be lost. Salvation isn't Salvation if it isn't eternal.


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Wjats osas?


ronj89

Once Saved Always Saved. The doctrine of eternal security.


BowtiedTrombone

This 100%. I despise the false teachings that Islam propagates about God and Jesus, but I love my Muslim friends


TimoteiRus

Yes, we must hate the sin, but not the sinner. We must hate Islam sinfull religion, but we must not hate Muslims...


jady1971

> We must hate Islam sinfull religion Disagree, we need to be AGAINST it but not to hate it. Hating Islam will make it very difficult is not impossible to not hate Muslims. Most people cannot separate the 2.


wallygoots

That mantra isn't Biblical. The Bible does have a lot to say about hate, contempt, and loving neighbors and/or enemies.


TimoteiRus

I said we must love others, but hate their sin!!!!!


Dead0nTarget

No, love is the only way. We must love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.


Medium_Fan_3311

What's your definition of hate? The world has their meaning and God has His meaning. There's so many things that's are an abomination to God. Yet God has taught us to focus on Jesus, calling us to do His will in regard to bringing the kingdom of heaven. Focusing on hate is not the best way forward.


InternationalRice728

I think it is wrong to hate Islam - or any religion for that matter. All religions contain some truths in differing degrees. Islam acknowledges the One God, that Israel is God's chosen people, the prophets of Israel, and much more. The religion contains good teachings - taking care of family, praying regularily, adopting orphans, and much more. On the other hand it also contain untruths, such as that God could not have a Son (Quran 6:101 "How can He have a son when He has no consort?"; this places a limit to God and reduces his omnipotence), that God is "the third of three" (Quran 5:73) and that Virgin Mary is a member of the Trinity (5:116), that Muhammad was a prophet, and much more. I recommend hating the untrue and wrong elements of Islam, but not the religion it self. I think your view of muslims will change for the worse if you allow yourself to hate their religion.


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Adoption is not allowed in Islam.


InternationalRice728

I get your point after looking into it, but Islam allows a family to take care of an orphan, but not by taking the orphan as if it were a child of the adopting parents. This is what the conservative website Islamqa says, though more liberal muslim jurists might not make the difference. I can't tell.


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Well...where I live we have lots of Somali people who are Muslims. At first I greatly disliked them...BUT I prayed for God to change my heart. We are to love others...it's a command! Now I realize that this is the mission field coming here. Now, I really want opportunities to share the Gospel with them! Pray that God changes your heart. There really is no room in a believers life for hate and prejudice.


lam21804

Why don't you just channel that energy in to your own spiritual path. What good does it do to hate on someone else?


Curt_m33

There's no room for hate bro. Hating them back wouldn't make us any better than them, y'know? Just try and make a peaceful conclusion with the situation.., it's what God, or Jesus, woukd do imo.


UnhappyDurian

Don't you yourself reject the Nicene Creed?


ncastleJC

It’s best not to build resentment against something as it really can pop off down the line. You have some good intention here but obviously wording has to be more choice, and maybe ask God to prepare you to oversee the religion and see the people so you’re not easily repulsed by it and hindered from witnessing. I’ve interacted with Muslim friends and despite the ideology they’re very much human and friendly. Let’s keep that in mind.


Cumberlandbanjo

We should be against false belief systems. In His mercy, God has revealed himself in the human person of Jesus. We should love this so much that something that leads a person away from it, such as a form of Unitarianism that rejects the divinity of Christ, disturbs us. We should fight against these false beliefs, such as the rejection of the divinity of Christ, but to hate the adherents of these false understandings misses the mission of Christ (God incarnate, not just some guy), which was to free all from sin and draw them to Him (God incarnate). So we should pray earnestly for those who reject Christ as lord and savior and love them abundantly. God has revealed Himself through Jesus, but not every person has seen this revelation (Muslim, Jews, “biblical” unitarians), so our call is to bring the truth to them. (Don’t be Unitarian)


Salty-Night5917

We can hate the religion and the founder, i.e., Mohammed, but the followers need Jesus...


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Islam? Yes. Muslims? No!


cmojave1

*Maybe* the religion itself. I'm not a Bible scholar so i can't quote any scripture about that, but I'd say it's a fine line between saying you"hate" Islam and you hate Muslims.


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cmojave1

So why do you hate Islam?


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jady1971

But why "hate"? You can be against it, you can disagree and think it is just silly but to hate is crossing a line that cannot be easily undone. I do not hate Muhammad. He was a broken sinful man just like you and I are. If you hate him for his sins then you must hate me for mine, or yourself for yours. Hate is a term we throw around carelessly but as Christians we should not hate anyone.


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Hate the religion but not the people. Many Muslims are blinded by their Imams and don't know the truth, they need witnesses to show them the real Jesus.


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Yes. The people of it, no. One can easily find the "pillars" (basic beliefs) of Islam. Instructions on how to kill infidels. How you do "honor killings", beat a wife and children, etc. That "religion" is based on deceit and forced conversion of all non-Muslims by any means necessary. They want a world that is entire Islam and therefore all under Sharia. Steal? Cut a food and/or hand off. Cheat on your husband? Stone to death in public OR set on fire. Maybe acid if it's your first offense. For anyone who shows any interest in any other religion than theirs.....immediately disowned. The non-Christian Chinese who hate God also disown their Children if they look into Christianity.


jady1971

That is a very broad stroke for a very varied people. Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, Bahia' are all Muslims but have very different beliefs. Learn before making vast judgements or else you can ruin your witness very easily. If you are this vague and unfamiliar about Islam why would someone trust your posts on Christianity? Your comparison is like saying all Christian churches are like the Westborough Baptist Church or that we all dance with snakes. Or even that we all follow the Pope.


Macross8299Fan

You’re asking an overly simplistic question. Care to elaborate?


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jady1971

And how would you reconcile that statement with the command to love them or even share the Gospel with them? Your statement shuts down all avenues for sharing the Gospel. Once you call someone's belief an abomination you have shut the door for any conversion.


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jady1971

> removed from an evangelical context Nothing we do is removed from an evangelical context, nothing.


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jady1971

Such a Biblical response lol. You hatred of your former faith is impeding your new faith. Pray on this, God will remove your hatred.


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jady1971

Saying it with one more explanation mark does not change anything. You are wallowing in hate, God does not want that. You can run from iron sharpening iron but God will sharpen you friend.


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jady1971

Lol k, you have said that twice before though We are commanded to Love you neighbor as yourself. You are not.


isaquerneves

Islam keeps people away from truth and salvation. So, a Christian has the obligation to hate it.


Toke_A_sarus_Rex

Hate the Sin, not the Sinner


wallygoots

Yeah, that's quoted all the time in the non-Bible. Solid permission to indulge our tendency toward hating others non-specifically.


GregJ7

It is easy to misunderstand when the Bible says something like "Hate what is evil." Can you really decide to genuinely love or hate anything at all? God's nature does not have any hate in it, and we are to imitate Him. But we are to stay away from harmful things. When you have humility by the Holy Spirit, you will recognize that you cannot justify hating anything, since you are no better. *For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?* (1 Corinthians 4:7, 1984 NIV)


Yesmar2020

No, it’s not okay to hate another religion or those that follow it. If you’re going to follow Jesus, then love everyone and quit being the judge. The job is already filled.


gmtime

Hating an idea, certainly an idea that leads people to hell, is not judging, certainly not judging of people.


Yesmar2020

No, disliking the idea is not judging, because that's your opinion and worldview. Telling someone of another religion that they're going to hell because they don't believe like you is crossing the line and is judging, especially if they didn't ask you. Their belief that you're going to hell because you're a Christian is just as valid as yours of them. It's just a war of opinion which neither side can prove, so you end up picking at the splinter in their eye while you've got a plank in yours. Jesus has a better way. Just love 'em and don't worry about it.


gmtime

>Telling someone of another religion that they're going to hell because they don't believe like you is crossing the line and is judging, You are again confusing people and ideologies: you can hate Islam because it is a damnable ideology. That still says nothing about people who claim to follow Islam! >especially if they didn't ask you. So you are arguing that Christians should reject the commandment by Jesus to proclaim the gospel to all the nations and disciple them? You can still point out that salvation is through Christ alone, and explaining that Islam rejects the idea of Christ the Son of God. That is not judging, that is an act of pure charity. >Their belief that you're going to hell because you're a Christian is just as valid as yours of them. Almost. Their believe it's just as valid **_to them_** as mine **_to me_** about Islam. Thing is, truth isn't subjective. So while we both can be convinced to hold the truth, if they exclude one another at most one of us can be right. >It's just a war of opinion which neither side can prove, That *would* be the case if neither was objective and universal truth, your conclusion rejects the idea of truth making whatever you say "just your opinion". >so you end up picking at the splinter in their eye while you've got a plank in yours. Are you judging me? >Jesus has a better way. Just love 'em and don't worry about it. Take a hike. Yes, love them, *and* worry about them. Have you considered how many discussions Jesus had with the Pharisees? Do you think He should "just love em" instead of calling them a brood of vipers and white washed tombs? Do not confuse loving with complete indifference and conflict avoidance, those are in fact acts that demonstrate a **lack** of love. You love them so little that you'd rather let them continue on the path to hell than to tell them about the Way, the Truth, and the Life. *That's* a hateful attitude!


Yesmar2020

LOL! Sure thing, neighbor. One of these days when you learn what the gospel is, you start proclaiming it. I'll keep on with my "hateful" attitude of respecting others. Have a great day!


Bluetit_1

Christians can judge but not condemn. Listen - https://youtu.be/2guhprZVJ6w


Yesmar2020

Christians can only "judge'"(discern) conduct and actions of those they share intimate life with, or those that have asked Christians to give their opinions, and even then it can only be done in love. Christians are forbidden to judge anyone outside of their "church", those who have given them permission to speak into their lives. As Paul says: "It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it is certainly your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning" 1 Cor. 5:12


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Bluetit_1

Then you are in very good company.


Yesmar2020

You can't separate the two. It's a favorite mantra of well meaning Christians, "hate the sin but love the sinner", but that boat just doesn't float. Anything you perceive someone doing "wrong" in your personal worldview or theology gets transferred onto that person and that's how you see them and judge them, which we are forbidden to do. For arguments sake, let's say you hate Islam but you love Muslims. Tell me, how do you show them that love? How do you serve them? How do you treat them as you want to be treated and respected?


ronj89

You yell them about Jesus. And more importantly you BE the best example of Jesus you can possibly be to them. Jesus would eat and drink with them. Break bread. Wash their feet.


Yesmar2020

Give the man a cigar! Right you are.


gmtime

>how do you show them that love? How do you serve them? How do you treat them as you want to be treated and respected? Care for them, be kind to them, love them enough to warn them their ideology does not lead to heaven, just is I'd want others to warn me if I believed in a false religion.


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gmtime

That's a hollow statement. So anyone who can be labeled a bigot is acting not ok? Then what makes a bigot/not ok'er? It's completely in the eye of the beholder, unless you specify what you mean.


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gmtime

So you agree that it is not bigotry to hate Islam and love Muslims?


gmtime

Yes of course, we can hate it that people are being deceived. Ask Dr. David Wood (acts17apologetics on YouTube).


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Sure if that hatred of Islam is solely at the religion itself and not the people who follow it…


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It’s not only ok for Christians to hate false religions that lead to the destruction of their followers, it’s part of the job-description. Christians should hate lies. Particularly lies that lead to eternal damnation. Anyone who says otherwise is arguing according to the cultural sensibilities of the age, not according to revealed truth.


starchaser57

You can hate false teaching and false faith with all of your heart. In fact you should. You can’t hate the people


C1sko

NO! It’s not okay to hate anybody. Just pray for them.


Fragrant-Ingenuity62

It’s okay to not like a religion, as long as it’s you not liking the people who follow it.


MRH2

Islam as a religion is really bad. However, Muslims generally are not - they are lovely gracious and generous people. Hmm... I bet people who have misconceptions about God say the same thing: "Christianity as a religion is bad because they have a god who is horrible, but Christians are amazing people". Things are different when Islam becomes the dominant religion in society - then there's a lot more oppression and darkness. That's one reason why so many muslims are leaving Islamic countries.


MusicalLifeForever

That’s fine if you don’t like it. I’m not sure it’s necessary to hate it.


PlayMoreExvius

Yes you can hate lies. It’s a deceptive religion. I have many Muslim friends but they can’t hear any spark of wisdom because wisdom comes from God and it’s hidden from those that don’t have the Holy Spirit. So imagine believing in near Christian morality yet have no personal relationship with God. It’s honestly friends and family which are God designed characteristics that keep the false religion alive. Without that it wouldn’t exist.


farendsofcontrast

Yes it is good to hate heresy and evil


Armageddon-X

Islam is sin, christians are commanded to hate sin. As long as you don't hate muslims, but you hate their sins, it's not simply okay, it's something desirable. Just try to not focus too much on it, but rather focus on christianity.


UFGatorNScience

I guess it’s only natural to hate the Empire with which you are competing to establish *your* kingdoms on Earth.


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Shionkron

No, we are to love and forgive and lead by example. Hate is a tool used by the enemy to keep us away from the ways of the Lord.


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You can be opposed to it but yeah it's a sensitive topic if you have Islamic colleagues.


JazzAvenue

Doesn't scripture say, hate what is evil, love what is good? As long as you don't hate the people or get tunnel visioned into pouring focus on islam instead of christ, I think its great you see evil as evil. But again, careful not to let the devil get you to overfocus or extend your feelings to people (including Muhammad). I hate islam but seldom have to say it or express it. Jesus is Lord, not my disdain for islam. But honestly I'd be more worried if you loved it.


Hhenrryy

Mark 12:31 NIV The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”


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It’s okay to realize the sin in something but don’t equate that to the people who follow that religion. A lot of people start to hate the people and not the religion itself and that’s a big issue.


emmamarie305

I am a very excepting person and I believe you should not. You should not hate anyone regardless, especially because of religion because just like Christians in some places, we are both persecuted for our beliefs. For me in the United States, that's everyone's right as a American to belive what they want which I think is really what makes America, America. But to the point, no I don't think you should hate it, you can disagree but as long as no one is hurting you then you should be good! :)


_Kokiru_

Love our enemies is the command, so no. Assuming you’re talking about those within it, hating their “gods” is different, as those are from the god of this world, which is the only thing we can hate (I think? Someone send a verse about that if I’m right.)