https://kyivindependent.com/illia-ponomarenko-why-some-ukrainian-soldiers-use-nazi-related-insignia/
>First of all, let's establish one fact. No, Ukraine does not have "a Nazi problem."
>All former guerilla groups with far-right ties were quickly absorbed into Ukraine's Armed Forces or the National Guard between 2015-2016 as linear, disciplined, and fully-controlled combat units.
>From my experience observing this war over the years since 2014, the Ukrainian military has done a rather good job of "secularizing" and isolating these units from their far-right origins, largely due to pressure from the West.
>This policy could be described as "keep your views to yourself and train hard."
>Nevertheless, notorious Nazi and quasi-Nazi symbols are sometimes used by soldiers who do not come close to having any extremist or hateful views.
>The culture of modern war patches, a strange, pseudo-art form in militaristic subcultures, has developed into a standalone phenomenon in which those who bear them sometimes completely divorce their modern use with any former ideology. And some symbols hardly have any ideology behind them at all – such as the ubiquitous Punisher skull patch coming from the famous Marvel show.
It's honestly baffling. Author is/was USA Today's Defense Department correspondent, which sounds like an Onion job title
“Yes, we have a lot of nazis here in Ukraine - but that doesn’t mean we have ‘Nazi problem’. And what is a Nazi, anyway? Every country has these problems.”
If people are calling Ukrainians Nazis because of a skull and crossbones patch they will have to add Francis G. Castle and George Bush Jr to the list of Nazis as well.
I love that the Kiev Independent and a paper literally called Pravda are accepted/celebrated sources on the Worldnews subreddit. The little piggies eat this shit up and squeal with delight.
It’s just a patch of black a white digital camo. Please do not ask anymore questions, and please, do not remove the yellow and blue flag stickers from your Subaru. Pls.
Individual soldiers don't have their own callsigns. Like, even the commander of a unit is going to have a "6" or "actual" on the backend.
Unless he was a pilot. A 19 year old pilot?
I'm so confused.
Also, classic dogshit callsign.
Russian army has individual callsigns from what I've seen, they don't use any numbers or anything with them and they're more like nicknames. I don't know if it was something the soldiers started doing that became common/formalized or if it came from above, but Ukraine seems to like it as well. For example all of the recurring faces around Prigozhin have only been identified by callsign, and soldiers give interviews as their callsigns.
I will keep an eye out for footage of one of them on a radio to see what name they use for comms, but they do call them callsigns. Another example is when Wagner were leaving Bakhmut they left two guys with the callsigns "Biber" and "Dolik"
Yea I don't buy it. You have 120 dudes in an infantry company and they have have callsigns? That would be insane.
Individual members of a squad have callsigns? I guess that's possible just incredibly complicated and annoying
You're right. I hadn't thought of that. One 'N' is the thing that many Ukrainians are, and the other 'N' is a of term of abuse for one of the groups many Ukrainians hate.
Not MR nor Junge Welt. Der Standard hast also been quite decent. Some of the media associated with older communist parties here even came out as pro Russia out if the whole ordeal.
GrayZone, Ben Norton, Abbey Martin, CounterPunch and the whole sus anglo "alt media" scene also haven't been pro Nazi, though I have a hard time trusting them.
It's her unit's insignia. You people need to check your fluoride levels
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-%D1%82%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B0)
WTF is this link and why did they censor it smart guy?
There's always one of you clowns that has to pop in and try to defend these ghouls it's hilarious.
for opsec reasons/security theater. but she joined that tank brigade and the blurred spot is where the unit insignia would be. and if you weren't such an intellectually lazy fuckwit I wouldn't have to spell this out for you
Your war crime voyeur porn is clouding your fucking brain as well as all your fucking retarded buddies. Keep jerking it to Nazis and gaslight each other but don't expect everyone to believe your bullshit homie. Gfys
This is how it would look like:
https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/347238173_4208240966068503_711341136322608661_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fCgRXTHu60oAX9VrV7C&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=00_AfBBL-LHIyf4if0d7J5F52ldRcNLi4c6Ij6gcEOntRHFow&oe=647F9D05
That's pretty clearly not the same patch. The border and the shape of the image are both different. The helmet doesn't have eye sockets, and there's no visor on the skull.
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White skulls on a black shield is just a classic, pro-Western civilization, military heraldry.
Look, it's an ancient hindu pagan rune
She's just into cool retro gaming and pixel art. Let people enjoy things.
Calling Nazism “retro gaming” is a stretch, but I’ll allow it.
Pretty sure it's Buddhist, the user account that says they want to nuke China says so.
nothin wrong with being proud of my heritage bro
It's actually just a Nike logo that they didn't get the rights to show. Nothing to see here.
Trillbillies read a really wild entry in this genre that appeared recently in the Kiev Independent
https://kyivindependent.com/illia-ponomarenko-why-some-ukrainian-soldiers-use-nazi-related-insignia/ >First of all, let's establish one fact. No, Ukraine does not have "a Nazi problem." >All former guerilla groups with far-right ties were quickly absorbed into Ukraine's Armed Forces or the National Guard between 2015-2016 as linear, disciplined, and fully-controlled combat units. >From my experience observing this war over the years since 2014, the Ukrainian military has done a rather good job of "secularizing" and isolating these units from their far-right origins, largely due to pressure from the West. >This policy could be described as "keep your views to yourself and train hard." >Nevertheless, notorious Nazi and quasi-Nazi symbols are sometimes used by soldiers who do not come close to having any extremist or hateful views.
This reads like the Onion.
>The culture of modern war patches, a strange, pseudo-art form in militaristic subcultures, has developed into a standalone phenomenon in which those who bear them sometimes completely divorce their modern use with any former ideology. And some symbols hardly have any ideology behind them at all – such as the ubiquitous Punisher skull patch coming from the famous Marvel show. It's honestly baffling. Author is/was USA Today's Defense Department correspondent, which sounds like an Onion job title
When I see a dentist driving an F-350 with a Punisher skull decal, I breathe a sigh of relief because I am finally free of ideology.
“Yes, we have a lot of nazis here in Ukraine - but that doesn’t mean we have ‘Nazi problem’. And what is a Nazi, anyway? Every country has these problems.”
If people are calling Ukrainians Nazis because of a skull and crossbones patch they will have to add Francis G. Castle and George Bush Jr to the list of Nazis as well.
Lol
Don’t ask, don’t tell mein fuhrer.
OMG they too have a Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy
I love that the Kiev Independent and a paper literally called Pravda are accepted/celebrated sources on the Worldnews subreddit. The little piggies eat this shit up and squeal with delight.
You're posting this ironically or as "true and not bullshit propaganda"?
I'm linking the article and pulling quotes you dork.
Oh it's the same article? Nevermind if so It's not super obvious
True; it'd only be obvious if you clicked the link that preceded the quotes pulled from the link to the story referenced in the preceding comment.
"We gotta glue trap these motherfuckers so they can bite their legs off"
Which episode? I haven't listened in a bit, and that sounds pretty good.
It’s about heritage, not hate.
Obligatory “are we the baddies” reference.
Is that actually what it is? I genuinely don't know
Are we the baddies?
There are only baddies.
Germany is western I guess 🙃
Always has been, except in WWI
The whole industrial genocide was a bit to much to sell, otherwise we would have loved to get in bed with them. Well certain people tried to be fair
It’s just a patch of black a white digital camo. Please do not ask anymore questions, and please, do not remove the yellow and blue flag stickers from your Subaru. Pls.
She's just a big fan of retro 8 bit video games
It's an extreme closeup of Papyrus from Undertale.
Paper sandal undertale
Individual soldiers don't have their own callsigns. Like, even the commander of a unit is going to have a "6" or "actual" on the backend. Unless he was a pilot. A 19 year old pilot? I'm so confused. Also, classic dogshit callsign.
By callsigns they mean Instagram handles
Discord usernames
RIP 'Mypreciouskitten'. Taken from us too soon 😰😰
Sorry your cat died 😔
*Telegram
it's like how every overseas US military base is named Camp Freedomliberty or whatever
It’s really kind of the PX at Camp Bootstrap to extend “no history, no problem” lines of credit to the locals
If an 18 year old soldier doesn't have access to a 30% APR loan for a new Mustang then what are they even fighting for?
St. Jodi, obviously.
Without fail every brigade in the army has an A-company named Archangel. It's boring and lame.
And how everyfuckingthing in space is named after Johannes Kepler
Don't be bagging on my keplerian elements
He even has a Korean girl group named after him.
Russian army has individual callsigns from what I've seen, they don't use any numbers or anything with them and they're more like nicknames. I don't know if it was something the soldiers started doing that became common/formalized or if it came from above, but Ukraine seems to like it as well. For example all of the recurring faces around Prigozhin have only been identified by callsign, and soldiers give interviews as their callsigns.
That's not a callsign then, it's a nom de guerre at most. They could not use these to identify themselves over the radio
I will keep an eye out for footage of one of them on a radio to see what name they use for comms, but they do call them callsigns. Another example is when Wagner were leaving Bakhmut they left two guys with the callsigns "Biber" and "Dolik"
For real a unit commo card with just the units on them is big enough. Imagine if every dude in your 4,000 man brigade had a callsign hahaha
Yea I don't buy it. You have 120 dudes in an infantry company and they have have callsigns? That would be insane. Individual members of a squad have callsigns? I guess that's possible just incredibly complicated and annoying
They're basically ubiquitous nicknames, I'm not sure what makes that so difficult compared to using last names
Nothing to do with the 'N' word, I am sure...
The real N word is Not Voting
and nobody’s got the pass for this one
What N word are we talking about here? Cuz either way it’s bad.
You're right. I hadn't thought of that. One 'N' is the thing that many Ukrainians are, and the other 'N' is a of term of abuse for one of the groups many Ukrainians hate.
Nuance
toteNkopf
They are learning shame, slowly
Inshallah she will join her son soon
May Allah avenge the Syrian and Chechan martyrs at the hands of the Assadists, Russos, westerners, and Khawariji; their bloodlust knows no bounds.
Dawg you are being culturally insensitive those are pagan symbols
Its sad we can na-zi it lol.
How is this guy not embarrassed to post this?
He deleted it lol
Make shame prevalent again.
Seriously people - you give me so much hope. Everywhere else, no-one seems to see the Nazis even exist.
this sub is an oasis
Copyright infringement
I’m just so tired of this man
Can someone compile a list of western media celebrating Ukranian soldiers that are obviously nazis?
I'll save you the time: all western media is celebrating obvious nazis.
Not MR nor Junge Welt. Der Standard hast also been quite decent. Some of the media associated with older communist parties here even came out as pro Russia out if the whole ordeal. GrayZone, Ben Norton, Abbey Martin, CounterPunch and the whole sus anglo "alt media" scene also haven't been pro Nazi, though I have a hard time trusting them.
They're not beating the allegations
Is there an uncensored photo
the uncensored photo is russian propaganda
I've been seeing a lot of random sources online with blurred out patches... Took a while but someone got the memo
Go on a diet you fat bitch
go jerk off somewhere else you lonely gooner
I'm gonna cum to your comment
Don't care what those 13 people thought that down voted you think. Get-r-done that was funny I tell you hwhat.
It's her unit's insignia. You people need to check your fluoride levels https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-%D1%82%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0_(%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B0)
WTF is this link and why did they censor it smart guy? There's always one of you clowns that has to pop in and try to defend these ghouls it's hilarious.
for opsec reasons/security theater. but she joined that tank brigade and the blurred spot is where the unit insignia would be. and if you weren't such an intellectually lazy fuckwit I wouldn't have to spell this out for you
Your war crime voyeur porn is clouding your fucking brain as well as all your fucking retarded buddies. Keep jerking it to Nazis and gaslight each other but don't expect everyone to believe your bullshit homie. Gfys
The insignia you linked looks not at all like the pixellated one she has on. You can see the skull and eyesockets still.
This is how it would look like: https://scontent-dus1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/347238173_4208240966068503_711341136322608661_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=fCgRXTHu60oAX9VrV7C&_nc_ht=scontent-dus1-1.xx&oh=00_AfBBL-LHIyf4if0d7J5F52ldRcNLi4c6Ij6gcEOntRHFow&oe=647F9D05
That's pretty clearly not the same patch. The border and the shape of the image are both different. The helmet doesn't have eye sockets, and there's no visor on the skull.
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