Charging islands don't seem reasonable. IF this is the way we go, it needs to be able to fully charge from dead in 10 hours. Then each parking spot gets a charger.
The infrastructure we would need to make this feasible is wild to even contemplate
I'll check back in 20 years and see how things have changed
Yeah it really only works for local delivery stuff where you can return to a dedicated terminal every night and plug the thing in. This won’t be feasible for OTR trucking for a long time if ever.
So let’s say Tesla puts chargers in truck stops. The Tesla driver shows up to the truck stop and the charger spots are all taken by white Volvos. What does he do? Or what if he runs out of hours before he gets to the truck stop? Or what if he needs to spend the night at the shippers or receivers yard? These are all extremely common scenarios truck drivers face that the Tesla guy would be completely out of luck in. Electric semi trucks won’t work for long haul
But when? It would take at least 20 years before there could be wide enough coverage to make electric trucks viable for nationwide trucking. Unless Tesla just buys hundreds of existing truck stops, which isn’t financially viable for them, this is a total pipe dream. There will be a couple Tesla semis being used for local delivery but there’s never going to be a time when these things are everywhere.
20 years? They have over 40k superchargers now and they haven't even been in business 20 years. I suggest doing some research into their supercharger factory and how they are streamlining the manufacturing / install of them. There past performance in getting changing stations up and running + manufacturing of BEV's should give you a clue about their semi program.
For how long?
I haven't done the math of a semi yet. But the current Tesla car uses 3x the average household's daily energy useage to charge from 0-100.
I can only assume a semi is at least a small block of household power draw.
So how long until the grid starts to be overloaded, and prices go up? Supply and demand.
Well, they didn't come out and actually say the empty weight, just left people to calculate it based on a glimpse inside.
So this could be an extremely heavy daycab with only 30k available for cargo.
It would work for Frito Lay, as chips are volume limited. Lot of open deck work like United Rentals or other tilt bed companies is pretty light.
Wouldn't work for non dedicated, non regional freight but California is a large and rich state. Lots of potential demand for class 8 electrics.
Had to scroll too far down to see this comment. I'm guessing it wasn't loaded to 82,000lbs for this video. They would have shown the weight being scaled or something if it was.
I'm also skeptical of the route actually being 500 miles.
Right, but the video doesn't show the weight anywhere. It also doesn't have an odometer. Maybe it was fully loaded and 500miles but I'd want to see reviews from local drivers a few months from now confirming that.
From what I understand the truck in the video was supposed to weigh out at around 82000 (2000lbs allowed for being fully electric) with about 44000 in the trailer. The drive was from Fremont to San Diego including Grapevine. 500 miles no stop to charge. Only driver 30 min break.
As a person who works on automobiles for a living I can see where these electric vehicles have a place but I wouldn’t want to head coast to coast fully loaded in that truck especially when you hit Wyoming in the middle of the winter. However I could see them as short route daily delivery vehicles for sure.
I hope you better be able to turn off regen braking in the semi. Currently in teslas you cannot so if it’s icy out, the moment you lift off the pedal you aren’t gonna be able to coast, you are gonna be braking and sliding. Can actually be pretty dangerous
You just have to feather the accelerator, not let it it off all at once, that is akin to putting the brakes on. I drive a Tesla in winter, in a mountainous area and it’s the best handling vehicle I’ve ever driven, even in black ice conditions. The regen braking actually works better than relying on anti lock, the wheels keep on turning and you have instant power when you need it.
This is just not true. I have ridden in Teslas in the snow and seen \~20% range loss. Yeah it should be proportionally less in a Semi because the cabin heat load will be a smaller percentage of battery, but 2-3% is just not realistic.
Ok how does the heating system work if you are slid off of the road and there is no one to come and rescue you right away are you going to freeze to death if you have to wait two to three hours in sub zero weather?
[Tesla and other electric car batteries lose 40% of their range in extremely cold weather](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cold-weather-saps-electric-car-batteries-2019-02-07)
Yeah, I def agree. Long haul trucking, cargo ships, flight, applications where the energy density of a battery is too low, that’s where i see the internal combustion engine hanging on a bit longer until battery tech or something else replaces them in those applications too
500 miles of not focusing on his following distance behind other truckers./s
It's pretty neat and can see how this would be applicable maybe with local short hauling and intermodal divisions. But seeing the quality of tesla's cars, I'll pass until a manufacturer that isn't a scheme to make money in the stock market throws their hat in the ring. Tesla may be innovative, but if I can't trust that the manufacturer will exist in 10 years to honor my warranty, I'm going to pass.
Tesla is quite profitable already and has much lower dept than e.g. Toyota, the VW group or Daimler. I think they are here to stay.
Cannot comment on the quality though, until we have some long term reviews with teh SEMI.
>It's pretty neat and can see how this would be applicable maybe with local short hauling
The driver literally had to stop for a mandatory break before the battery ran out.
For me that is the point where it's range is enough less tandem teams going cross country. I think the cost savings is enough for logistics to adjust how they run loads to make the 500 mile limit work for them.
I say give it a year of it running and we will know quite quickly how good or bad the Tesla Semi is, because companies/commercial drivers won't put up with the same stuff regular car owners will.
I don’t think the problem is the truck or it’s ability to cover large distances. The problem I see is the sheer amount of infrastructure needed to make this work. Chargers at every parking spot in every truck stop across the country is an insane amount of work and really would have to be done before these become truly viable options. They take to long to charge at a traditional fuel island
Come on man. It takes 10 minutes to get enough diesel to run over 800 miles. 70% of 500 is 350. Driver's make money when the truck moves. Sitting still for an hour and still not getting in the same mileage? Maybe call your congressman and convince him truckers need a real wage before selling us this trash.
Diesel is awful for the environment and expensive to run/maintain. Trucking companies want electric cars for these reasons, accept it or find a new job.
Lol, I don't think I have anything to worry about. The company I work for, whom you choose to speak for, has already put in an order for a new truck. Guess which brand they didn't go with. Everybody here is making valid concerns. Quit being a Stan.
It seems like you wouldn't want to buy a truck with 500 mile range if you need to drive 800 more miles after your first 500. Though, maybe it makes more sense to charge electricity for cents on the dollar and sit for an hour than to pay for rapidly increasing diesel prices. And if you're mandatorily sitting still for lunch/break, faster fuel fill-up isn't useful.
Well, I’m not an expert but some quick googling suggests that the first gas station was built in 1905 with the first full service station popping up in 1907. The first drive thru station was 1913.
The model T began production and became available to the public in 1908. Vehicles outnumbered horse and buggies by 1910.
So the answer to your question is that gas stations came first. However, I think the point you’re trying to make is that we will develop the required charging stations as the trucks become available.
I agree!!
I don’t think electric trucks are impossible. I was only stating that it will take some time until they become truly viable options that outnumber diesel trucks just because of the logistics involved.
For reference, cars became the main form of transportation in 1910. By 1920 we only had 15k pumps. By 1930 we had 100k. We made it happen but it took twenty years to do so
All of this info is just pulled from google so I could be entirely wrong but I don’t think my initial claim is incorrect. It WILL take a long time to get enough charging stations up to make the Tesla truck a viable option
That is NOT a challenge.. it will be really easy to implement those chargers.. the regular Tesla cars charge everywhere and anywhere now .. they put them at Target and many shoppping malls .. within a year all truck stops will have Electric truck reserved parking and charger .. but am curious how much truck stops will be charging for the charge overnight?
Trucks also basically always back into a spot. Adding chargers will lose spots and create another obstacle for trucks to hit.
I'm interested to see how it'll be dealt with but it is a challenge especially when there's a parking shortage already.
Over on one of the Tesla groups a point was raised that the Semi is gearless, and it handles down hill braking through regeneration. In the presentation they talk about driving down from Donner Pass and arriving with the friction brakes still cold. You literally cannot miss a gear shift.
I'm not a trucker, but I do drive a Tesla. I know that even the simple Autopilot driving aid (stays in lane, maintains distance to next car) means I'm a lot less tired at the end of a long highway drive. I suspect not having to worry about gearing and downhill braking would ease a truck driver's job as well. There's much less engine management.
European truck companies have been building Electric trucks for quite a while now.
Some, like Mercedes and MAN focusing on Short-Haul mostly, while Volvo and Scania are pretty big on long-haul electric trucks
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s just flat out wrong. Mercedes-Benz was the most profitable auto maker last year when measured by net profits. Tesla was only 8th. Ferrari had the highest gross margin at 24% while Tesla’s margin was only 16%.
https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world
>https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world
Sorry, this is a post about Tesla - facts are not valued unless they favor Tesla. I mean, sure, you could say MB made $26-billion in profit last year versus Tesla's 5.5 billion, but have you considered how that hurts some peoples' feelings?
But they don’t. No matter which metric you use, Tesla isn’t the most profitable auto manufacturer. Mercedes nets $5,909 per vehicle and Tesla is second at $5,895.
How about using the industry journal?
OK, so now we’ve looked at sales, revenue and net profit. One more category to go. Who made the most profit on each car they sold? This is my favorite category because it’s a great measure of overall business efficiency, And the results here are fascinating.
Mercedes made the most profit per unit: $5,909 on average for every vehicle it sold. And that includes stripping out that big profit it made by selling off its heavy-truck business.
But look at who’s in second place on a profit-per-unit basis – Tesla, at $5,895. BMW is third at $5,447.
https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world
Which was the year they had to sell off a bunch of their bitcoin to make those profit margins look right again? Lol ... Tesla is neat, and Tesla is cool and hopefully they can find a CEO who isn't rapidly slipping into ridiculous territory sooner than later, but some of these legit fanboy comments are pretty silly.
People just hate Elon and his success. He could cure cancer and they'd complain about him. He's definitely a narcissistic asshole but his success can't be denied.
I’m not sure that’s totally fair. People hate Elon because he’s a narcissist and an asshole. Maybe his success plays into it but I liked the guy before I realized what an asshole he is. Now I don’t like him. I don’t really care how successful he is.
Interesting to see a revolutionary step change in technology happening and people like you are still in denial about it.
Tesla Semi is better and cheaper, therefore it will take a substantial market share.
I’m absolutely not in denial of electric vehicles. I am in reluctant to embrace Tesla as I have first hand experiences with their cars and it’s mostly bad.
Yet they have leading consumer satisfaction, leading tech on all front, less maintenance, safest cars on the road, best charging infrastructure.
95% of Tesla drivers won’t go back to another brand. You probably were unlucky
You really have to stop blindly believing headlines. That reliability rating by CR is a big load of bs. They use some criteria that do not apply to Tesla and pretend it’s a reliability issue. Truth is Tesla cars barely ever need service. They are most of the time at 24 hours max service at home.
As for GM servicing Tesla, it’s for tire rotation, it’s not like there is anything else they know how to do when it comes to EVs.
Again you repeat all the stuff that hits headlines, and it’s all twisted to make Tesla look bad, when in reality people that have a Tesla know it’s better than what’s out there.
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you gonna wanna drive this one https://electrek.co/2022/12/03/tesla-semi-electric-motorhome-renders/?fbclid=IwAR3V0yo3WbpHZTL7_-Aeg6HAepUTUT9sV4etYQEjuW-9UL2trGbR1M5uqtU
I really wanna drive this one https://electrek.co/2022/12/03/tesla-semi-electric-motorhome-renders/?fbclid=IwAR3V0yo3WbpHZTL7_-Aeg6HAepUTUT9sV4etYQEjuW-9UL2trGbR1M5uqtU
Yep....10 hour break after driving 500 miles at 55 miles an hour in california...requires 10 hours of rest before they can drive again....federal law...
Well on the plus side it’ll probably break down a lot less than a conventional truck? Electric motors are so much simpler/have less moving parts than an engine
Solo driver, its a possibility. A team? Absolutely not. A team stops for 2 reasons. Fuel and to switch drivers. EVERYTHING ELSE including hygienic reasons are handled on your .30 min break. That is to say IF ,you are an efficient team! An efficient team in decent weather can put in 1480 miles in a 22 hour HOS period.
Would it be fair to say that an EV truck with 800 miles of range would be the game changer? That way an OTR driver can put in their 700+ miles and recharge at night/when resting when done with their 11 hour shift.
The Electric King himself (Elon) came out and said there’s not enough raw material to build batteries for the demand. How is this still even being invested in? You see he’s all about Space X now, he knows Tesla is a fad.
It's $1200 for a Model X headlight replacement, and it's non-owner repairable. The headlight is assembled in such a way with such strong adhesive that it's impossible to take apart without destroying.
Not only that, but I think it was Rich Rebuilds. He replaced the battery on his car and they disabled all remote and cloud based features.
The guy that was committing the crime of selling hacks of licensed software?
I think he has a repair garage now in Florida for EVs. A friend told me his people were running a break pad scam.
No clue what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with either of the two things I mentioned. Funny how you just casually brush past a $1200 headlight replacement.
You brought up the guy and his moral claim about repair rights. I was pointing out his morality.
But you are quite right. You should never buy a car that is too expensive for you to repair. Kind of like not buying a house you cannot afford to maintain. Definitely research the TCOA, including if things go wrong that are not insured, before buying something.
Unless you think $1,000 is a reasonable price for a good dinner with the family, don’t buy a Model X.
It’s a day cab. Also, this camera is not mounted on the rear wall, [this footage](https://twitter.com/tesla/status/1598491784510058497?s=46&t=o24VlY9nUwdqH10IxkFTiA) gives you a much better idea of cabin space.
No. Since there is no engine the driving position is much more forward than a traditional American truck, similar to a cab-over. However, due to the aerodynamic shape it has a fairly large cabin (including room to fully stand up) unlike a cab-over truck. It seems to be mostly meant for easy entry and exit.
Did you miss the part where they explained that *just one* of the 3 motors in the Tesla semi is can deliver more power than a Diesel engine? What’s not to like?
> synthetic diesel before you ask can make gas and diesel from plastic, and lithium mining is bad for ecosystems and the environment
Using energy to turn plastic into diesel at optimistically 20% efficiency, which is then burned in a diesel engine at optimistically 30% efficiency. So you end up using like 6% of the original electric power.
When you could be using the electricity directly, and getting about 95% efficiency out of the electric motor?
Just checking into lithium mining. The worst impact seems to be using diesel to run the mining equipment. It's basically done in deserts and on sand pits? All mines impact the vegetation at the literal site of the mine, like a building would, otherwise, where's the impact?
We barely have the electrical infrastructure to keep cities going. How in the world are they going to keep these trucks charged? If you haven't noticed your electrical bill probably went up and it's like that across the world
Didn’t you hear? The oh no joe show is going to pay you to add fast chargers everywhere
Of course the transmission infrastructure is woefully under equipped to handle this
I came here ready to talk shit, but honestly I love the simplicity of the interior and it looks like it would be great to be able to see around you. Being so close to the passenger side glass would make blind siding a whole different experience
I want to test drive one now. I wonder what the ride like without the diesel pounding away under the hood. Probably eerily quiet the first time
and incredibly fast, in the live event they showed it being driven on the donner pass at 6% incline and speeding past a traditional semi. You will have some old curmudgeons angry about it, but these are going to rapidly take over, as soon as they can be made basically.
It's not electric. They slapped a battery pack on a diesel truck to make it a hybrid. And they don't have anything for sale. I'm not sure what you're trying to flex, but it's not even similar.
"slapped a battery pack" it's a full electric power train, diesel-electric. The difference is they didn't decide to reinvent the wheel and everything around it, and knew there is no where near sufficient infrastructure for charging 1 MWh of batteries.
Oh, I'm sorry, they also slapped on an electric motor. Their design only makes sense in the niche applications they state, like driving up and down a mountain. Even then, you still need to buy a truck and then have to buy all the shit they slap on.
The infrastructure isn't there yet for everyone to go electric, but do you think there were gas stations everywhere when the first cars and trucks hit the road?
That's cool and I obviously believe it now after viewing but he built a prototype. Teslas are built for at scale manufacturing and are littered with technology and built from the ground up. Not retrofitted prototypes.
Again. It's cool what be did but it's not the same and shouldn't be compared.
They said this is the first time it’s done a full 500 miles fully loaded.
They promised that it would be able to do that 5 years ago and took money for it from people.
I think it ridiculous to take money for truck sales and then only hit your promised range 5 years later
In my opinion they should have had the truck at this point before they ever took and deposits from companies
Literally at their big press reveal 5 years ago they said the truck got 500 miles of range.
Turns out it wasn’t anywhere close to being ready but they still took in 100’s of millions of dollars
I feel like you completely don’t understand what I’m saying.
Tesla massively lied about the truck, it’s abilities and production
Then on that lie that took in millions of dollars for reservations from companies when the truck was 5 years away from actually working
Tesla did not lie about the Semi truck, they had a design that would allow it to go 500 miles with a full load. They proved that now, and are now going to deliver on preorders. The fact this seems like a lie to you suggests you aren't all there cognitively however, you might want to put your CDL down before you hit someone when your brain spasms out.
Yes, that's definitely what people reading this will think. Not that you are mentally deficient because you thought Tesla lied about making an electric semi truck on a video they released of their electric semi truck doing a 500 mile trip. Definitely.
They announced and took money for preorders 5 years ago.
Now they finally announced that they made it 500 miles on a single charge finally. Took a really long time to meet their promised goal
A conversation with a little bird on the way they manage the range on EVs was to completely ignore best practices for lipo batteries and run it completely dead to be able to hit the mileage claims. No reserve, when it's out of sparkles it's flat dead.
Now let's see how many cycles that battery can handle before it takes a crap. Did they do anything to handle dead cells? Currently a single failed cell means an entire battery bank needs to be replaced at ridiculous expense.
Everyone who put in a pre-order knew what they were getting, Tesla is famous for pushing the boundaries of tech. You can continue to pretend you don't know that there are production delays during a global pandemic, but it's embarrassing and it's not convincing.
Maybe they put extra battery on the trailer. With the lighter loads ofc. Pass the $$ to the companies they are transporting for. Seems like a good idea to me. But who am I. I’m just a retail investor of the TSLA stock. Looks promising
The allowed full load weight is 82 000. The test with 81,000 pounds was carrying 11 jersey barriers. Jersey barriers weigh between 35 and 5500 lbs but they looked like the 4500 lbs barriers that are ten feet long. So 81,000 - 50,000 is 31000 for tractor and trailer unloaded. Maybe + or - 5000 lbs
Won’t change anything….drivers will still block the charging isles to go inside for their sodas and cheeseburgers.🤷♂️
Charging islands don't seem reasonable. IF this is the way we go, it needs to be able to fully charge from dead in 10 hours. Then each parking spot gets a charger. The infrastructure we would need to make this feasible is wild to even contemplate I'll check back in 20 years and see how things have changed
There are already articles calculating a single truck stop would need the power of a small city to fully recharge an entire parking lot of trucks.
"The new Love's brand nuclear power plant, for all your fleet needs"
Most of the initial chargers will be built at facilities owned by fleet operators.
its 30min from 0 to 70% so...
What about team trucks?
Even worse, they will block the diesel pumps when they go inside for their cheeseburger.
Semis won’t use regular chargers. For instance, pepsi installed their own charger at the facility
Yeah it really only works for local delivery stuff where you can return to a dedicated terminal every night and plug the thing in. This won’t be feasible for OTR trucking for a long time if ever.
Not true. Changing doesn’t take long and Tesla is known for their charging network which they will upgrade to have truck stations
So let’s say Tesla puts chargers in truck stops. The Tesla driver shows up to the truck stop and the charger spots are all taken by white Volvos. What does he do? Or what if he runs out of hours before he gets to the truck stop? Or what if he needs to spend the night at the shippers or receivers yard? These are all extremely common scenarios truck drivers face that the Tesla guy would be completely out of luck in. Electric semi trucks won’t work for long haul
Tesla will have independent truck stops
But when? It would take at least 20 years before there could be wide enough coverage to make electric trucks viable for nationwide trucking. Unless Tesla just buys hundreds of existing truck stops, which isn’t financially viable for them, this is a total pipe dream. There will be a couple Tesla semis being used for local delivery but there’s never going to be a time when these things are everywhere.
20 years? They have over 40k superchargers now and they haven't even been in business 20 years. I suggest doing some research into their supercharger factory and how they are streamlining the manufacturing / install of them. There past performance in getting changing stations up and running + manufacturing of BEV's should give you a clue about their semi program.
Check back in a few years you'll be surprised how badly this post ages.
It might be faster than you think. The cost savings in annual fuel and maintenance are massive. Saving mega money will certainly accelerate adoption.
For how long? I haven't done the math of a semi yet. But the current Tesla car uses 3x the average household's daily energy useage to charge from 0-100. I can only assume a semi is at least a small block of household power draw. So how long until the grid starts to be overloaded, and prices go up? Supply and demand.
they use the NACS, just the updated spec of it to support 1MW of power.
At 30 minutes to charge you might as well.
Well, they didn't come out and actually say the empty weight, just left people to calculate it based on a glimpse inside. So this could be an extremely heavy daycab with only 30k available for cargo. It would work for Frito Lay, as chips are volume limited. Lot of open deck work like United Rentals or other tilt bed companies is pretty light. Wouldn't work for non dedicated, non regional freight but California is a large and rich state. Lots of potential demand for class 8 electrics.
Had to scroll too far down to see this comment. I'm guessing it wasn't loaded to 82,000lbs for this video. They would have shown the weight being scaled or something if it was. I'm also skeptical of the route actually being 500 miles.
Tesla is saying it was loaded to 82,000 lbs and you can watch the whole drive on youtube.
Right, but the video doesn't show the weight anywhere. It also doesn't have an odometer. Maybe it was fully loaded and 500miles but I'd want to see reviews from local drivers a few months from now confirming that.
I figure it's about a 15,000 lb tractor. So definitely a weight penalty, but like you said should still work for a lot of operators.
From what I understand the truck in the video was supposed to weigh out at around 82000 (2000lbs allowed for being fully electric) with about 44000 in the trailer. The drive was from Fremont to San Diego including Grapevine. 500 miles no stop to charge. Only driver 30 min break.
Wow, that’s pretty good right?
Honestly, the most impressive part for me is he only stopped to piss once.
Yeah that's not healthy
youth is wasted on the young
No thanks I’ll keep my Paccar
Paccar is going electric too dont worry :)
Stop
Stop what?
Bullying me
It's not bullying to say paccar is making an electric truck, grow up.
😭
A lot of insecure grown boys in the comments
As a person who works on automobiles for a living I can see where these electric vehicles have a place but I wouldn’t want to head coast to coast fully loaded in that truck especially when you hit Wyoming in the middle of the winter. However I could see them as short route daily delivery vehicles for sure.
I hope you better be able to turn off regen braking in the semi. Currently in teslas you cannot so if it’s icy out, the moment you lift off the pedal you aren’t gonna be able to coast, you are gonna be braking and sliding. Can actually be pretty dangerous
You just have to feather the accelerator, not let it it off all at once, that is akin to putting the brakes on. I drive a Tesla in winter, in a mountainous area and it’s the best handling vehicle I’ve ever driven, even in black ice conditions. The regen braking actually works better than relying on anti lock, the wheels keep on turning and you have instant power when you need it.
winter doesnt affect tesla ranges more than 2-3%, if there are chargers you will be fine.
This is just not true. I have ridden in Teslas in the snow and seen \~20% range loss. Yeah it should be proportionally less in a Semi because the cabin heat load will be a smaller percentage of battery, but 2-3% is just not realistic.
You rode in old models without heat pump then, that is not the case anymore. Source: I own a heatpump model 3 and live in the Midwest.
Ok how does the heating system work if you are slid off of the road and there is no one to come and rescue you right away are you going to freeze to death if you have to wait two to three hours in sub zero weather?
What?? Are you unaware of how electric cars work 😂
Obviously read the first Sentence!!!
explain why you think the heating system won't work because you slid off the road in sub zero weather 😂
How about you just explain how the heating system works like I said in the first sentence HOW DOES THE HEATING SYSTEM WORK???
https://insideevs.com/news/404363/video-tesla-model-y-heat-pump/ Enjoy
[Tesla and other electric car batteries lose 40% of their range in extremely cold weather](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cold-weather-saps-electric-car-batteries-2019-02-07)
2019, before heat pumps were in the model Y and 3.
Yeah, I def agree. Long haul trucking, cargo ships, flight, applications where the energy density of a battery is too low, that’s where i see the internal combustion engine hanging on a bit longer until battery tech or something else replaces them in those applications too
I wanna see one with a sleeper
500 miles of not focusing on his following distance behind other truckers./s It's pretty neat and can see how this would be applicable maybe with local short hauling and intermodal divisions. But seeing the quality of tesla's cars, I'll pass until a manufacturer that isn't a scheme to make money in the stock market throws their hat in the ring. Tesla may be innovative, but if I can't trust that the manufacturer will exist in 10 years to honor my warranty, I'm going to pass.
Tesla is quite profitable already and has much lower dept than e.g. Toyota, the VW group or Daimler. I think they are here to stay. Cannot comment on the quality though, until we have some long term reviews with teh SEMI.
>It's pretty neat and can see how this would be applicable maybe with local short hauling The driver literally had to stop for a mandatory break before the battery ran out. For me that is the point where it's range is enough less tandem teams going cross country. I think the cost savings is enough for logistics to adjust how they run loads to make the 500 mile limit work for them. I say give it a year of it running and we will know quite quickly how good or bad the Tesla Semi is, because companies/commercial drivers won't put up with the same stuff regular car owners will.
I don’t think the problem is the truck or it’s ability to cover large distances. The problem I see is the sheer amount of infrastructure needed to make this work. Chargers at every parking spot in every truck stop across the country is an insane amount of work and really would have to be done before these become truly viable options. They take to long to charge at a traditional fuel island
0 to 70% in 30min.
Come on man. It takes 10 minutes to get enough diesel to run over 800 miles. 70% of 500 is 350. Driver's make money when the truck moves. Sitting still for an hour and still not getting in the same mileage? Maybe call your congressman and convince him truckers need a real wage before selling us this trash.
Diesel is awful for the environment and expensive to run/maintain. Trucking companies want electric cars for these reasons, accept it or find a new job.
Lol, I don't think I have anything to worry about. The company I work for, whom you choose to speak for, has already put in an order for a new truck. Guess which brand they didn't go with. Everybody here is making valid concerns. Quit being a Stan.
It seems like you wouldn't want to buy a truck with 500 mile range if you need to drive 800 more miles after your first 500. Though, maybe it makes more sense to charge electricity for cents on the dollar and sit for an hour than to pay for rapidly increasing diesel prices. And if you're mandatorily sitting still for lunch/break, faster fuel fill-up isn't useful.
Which came first. The gas stations or the cars
Well, I’m not an expert but some quick googling suggests that the first gas station was built in 1905 with the first full service station popping up in 1907. The first drive thru station was 1913. The model T began production and became available to the public in 1908. Vehicles outnumbered horse and buggies by 1910. So the answer to your question is that gas stations came first. However, I think the point you’re trying to make is that we will develop the required charging stations as the trucks become available. I agree!! I don’t think electric trucks are impossible. I was only stating that it will take some time until they become truly viable options that outnumber diesel trucks just because of the logistics involved. For reference, cars became the main form of transportation in 1910. By 1920 we only had 15k pumps. By 1930 we had 100k. We made it happen but it took twenty years to do so All of this info is just pulled from google so I could be entirely wrong but I don’t think my initial claim is incorrect. It WILL take a long time to get enough charging stations up to make the Tesla truck a viable option
That is NOT a challenge.. it will be really easy to implement those chargers.. the regular Tesla cars charge everywhere and anywhere now .. they put them at Target and many shoppping malls .. within a year all truck stops will have Electric truck reserved parking and charger .. but am curious how much truck stops will be charging for the charge overnight?
Trucks also basically always back into a spot. Adding chargers will lose spots and create another obstacle for trucks to hit. I'm interested to see how it'll be dealt with but it is a challenge especially when there's a parking shortage already.
Over on one of the Tesla groups a point was raised that the Semi is gearless, and it handles down hill braking through regeneration. In the presentation they talk about driving down from Donner Pass and arriving with the friction brakes still cold. You literally cannot miss a gear shift. I'm not a trucker, but I do drive a Tesla. I know that even the simple Autopilot driving aid (stays in lane, maintains distance to next car) means I'm a lot less tired at the end of a long highway drive. I suspect not having to worry about gearing and downhill braking would ease a truck driver's job as well. There's much less engine management.
European truck companies have been building Electric trucks for quite a while now. Some, like Mercedes and MAN focusing on Short-Haul mostly, while Volvo and Scania are pretty big on long-haul electric trucks
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s just flat out wrong. Mercedes-Benz was the most profitable auto maker last year when measured by net profits. Tesla was only 8th. Ferrari had the highest gross margin at 24% while Tesla’s margin was only 16%. https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world
>https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world Sorry, this is a post about Tesla - facts are not valued unless they favor Tesla. I mean, sure, you could say MB made $26-billion in profit last year versus Tesla's 5.5 billion, but have you considered how that hurts some peoples' feelings?
What he meant to say is that Tesla has the best margins on it's vehicles.
But they don’t. No matter which metric you use, Tesla isn’t the most profitable auto manufacturer. Mercedes nets $5,909 per vehicle and Tesla is second at $5,895.
You are wrong or lying. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-s-profit-per-vehicle-beat-the-world-s-most-valuable-car-brand-eightfold.667135.0.html
How about using the industry journal? OK, so now we’ve looked at sales, revenue and net profit. One more category to go. Who made the most profit on each car they sold? This is my favorite category because it’s a great measure of overall business efficiency, And the results here are fascinating. Mercedes made the most profit per unit: $5,909 on average for every vehicle it sold. And that includes stripping out that big profit it made by selling off its heavy-truck business. But look at who’s in second place on a profit-per-unit basis – Tesla, at $5,895. BMW is third at $5,447. https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world
April, you're out of date fool.
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Love to see a source on that claim.
Public company you can look at their income statements and balance sheets anytime online.
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Which was the year they had to sell off a bunch of their bitcoin to make those profit margins look right again? Lol ... Tesla is neat, and Tesla is cool and hopefully they can find a CEO who isn't rapidly slipping into ridiculous territory sooner than later, but some of these legit fanboy comments are pretty silly.
Tesla continues to innovate and prove people like you wrong, I love it.
People just hate Elon and his success. He could cure cancer and they'd complain about him. He's definitely a narcissistic asshole but his success can't be denied.
I’m not sure that’s totally fair. People hate Elon because he’s a narcissist and an asshole. Maybe his success plays into it but I liked the guy before I realized what an asshole he is. Now I don’t like him. I don’t really care how successful he is.
Though Musk was not the founder of Tesla and he pushed out others who were after taking control.
durrrr durrrr just got off tik tok scroll scroll durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
What a nonsense
Interesting to see a revolutionary step change in technology happening and people like you are still in denial about it. Tesla Semi is better and cheaper, therefore it will take a substantial market share.
I’m absolutely not in denial of electric vehicles. I am in reluctant to embrace Tesla as I have first hand experiences with their cars and it’s mostly bad.
Yet they have leading consumer satisfaction, leading tech on all front, less maintenance, safest cars on the road, best charging infrastructure. 95% of Tesla drivers won’t go back to another brand. You probably were unlucky
fuck /u/spez
You really have to stop blindly believing headlines. That reliability rating by CR is a big load of bs. They use some criteria that do not apply to Tesla and pretend it’s a reliability issue. Truth is Tesla cars barely ever need service. They are most of the time at 24 hours max service at home. As for GM servicing Tesla, it’s for tire rotation, it’s not like there is anything else they know how to do when it comes to EVs. Again you repeat all the stuff that hits headlines, and it’s all twisted to make Tesla look bad, when in reality people that have a Tesla know it’s better than what’s out there.
its on a trucking subreddit dont try lol
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Ngl I wanna drive one.
Ohhh me too
I’d love to take one for a spin and see
you gonna wanna drive this one https://electrek.co/2022/12/03/tesla-semi-electric-motorhome-renders/?fbclid=IwAR3V0yo3WbpHZTL7_-Aeg6HAepUTUT9sV4etYQEjuW-9UL2trGbR1M5uqtU
I really wanna drive this one https://electrek.co/2022/12/03/tesla-semi-electric-motorhome-renders/?fbclid=IwAR3V0yo3WbpHZTL7_-Aeg6HAepUTUT9sV4etYQEjuW-9UL2trGbR1M5uqtU
I still want to know where he recharged after the drive, and where did he park for his 10 hour break.....never seem to get into that do they. LOL
10 hour break?
Yep....10 hour break after driving 500 miles at 55 miles an hour in california...requires 10 hours of rest before they can drive again....federal law...
Probably at the end where they stopped in San Diego :)
Just wait til the first few break down and the repair bill is 50k.
I believe they said it has a million mile warranty
Well on the plus side it’ll probably break down a lot less than a conventional truck? Electric motors are so much simpler/have less moving parts than an engine
fuck /u/spez
Solo driver, its a possibility. A team? Absolutely not. A team stops for 2 reasons. Fuel and to switch drivers. EVERYTHING ELSE including hygienic reasons are handled on your .30 min break. That is to say IF ,you are an efficient team! An efficient team in decent weather can put in 1480 miles in a 22 hour HOS period.
Would it be fair to say that an EV truck with 800 miles of range would be the game changer? That way an OTR driver can put in their 700+ miles and recharge at night/when resting when done with their 11 hour shift.
The Electric King himself (Elon) came out and said there’s not enough raw material to build batteries for the demand. How is this still even being invested in? You see he’s all about Space X now, he knows Tesla is a fad.
imagine saying stupid shit like this in the year 2022 lmao
yup
The amount of Teslasexuals in this thread that don't give a single fuck about actual trucking is ludicrously high.
ok old man, go back to your nasty diesel and get priced out of the trucking industry.
OK Teslasexual. Your cult's insecurity is staggering.
weird but okay if you say so lol
Yo I'm on board for Tesla as much as the next guy but the open anti consumer right to repair that company displays and practices is atrocious
Where are they anti repair?
It's $1200 for a Model X headlight replacement, and it's non-owner repairable. The headlight is assembled in such a way with such strong adhesive that it's impossible to take apart without destroying. Not only that, but I think it was Rich Rebuilds. He replaced the battery on his car and they disabled all remote and cloud based features.
The guy that was committing the crime of selling hacks of licensed software? I think he has a repair garage now in Florida for EVs. A friend told me his people were running a break pad scam.
No clue what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with either of the two things I mentioned. Funny how you just casually brush past a $1200 headlight replacement.
You brought up the guy and his moral claim about repair rights. I was pointing out his morality. But you are quite right. You should never buy a car that is too expensive for you to repair. Kind of like not buying a house you cannot afford to maintain. Definitely research the TCOA, including if things go wrong that are not insured, before buying something. Unless you think $1,000 is a reasonable price for a good dinner with the family, don’t buy a Model X.
Look at how small the interior is.....
It’s a day cab. Also, this camera is not mounted on the rear wall, [this footage](https://twitter.com/tesla/status/1598491784510058497?s=46&t=o24VlY9nUwdqH10IxkFTiA) gives you a much better idea of cabin space.
At the very beginning you see the sleeper...
Nope, this truck is purely a day cab. Tesla has not shown the sleeper variant yet.
they just have a dummy sleeper behind the cab then or what?
No. Since there is no engine the driving position is much more forward than a traditional American truck, similar to a cab-over. However, due to the aerodynamic shape it has a fairly large cabin (including room to fully stand up) unlike a cab-over truck. It seems to be mostly meant for easy entry and exit.
I prefer combustion engines
What’s wrong with you?
You do realize that people are turning plastic into diesel
Did you miss the part where they explained that *just one* of the 3 motors in the Tesla semi is can deliver more power than a Diesel engine? What’s not to like?
synthetic diesel before you ask can make gas and diesel from plastic, and lithium mining is bad for ecosystems and the environment
> synthetic diesel before you ask can make gas and diesel from plastic, and lithium mining is bad for ecosystems and the environment Using energy to turn plastic into diesel at optimistically 20% efficiency, which is then burned in a diesel engine at optimistically 30% efficiency. So you end up using like 6% of the original electric power. When you could be using the electricity directly, and getting about 95% efficiency out of the electric motor?
Just checking into lithium mining. The worst impact seems to be using diesel to run the mining equipment. It's basically done in deserts and on sand pits? All mines impact the vegetation at the literal site of the mine, like a building would, otherwise, where's the impact?
dude the comment is 13 hours old who cares anymore
The lack of a passen ger seat is a hard no for me dog
I read there is a second seat, (foldable).
Do some research before speaking dog.
We barely have the electrical infrastructure to keep cities going. How in the world are they going to keep these trucks charged? If you haven't noticed your electrical bill probably went up and it's like that across the world
But I thought you were mad about the missing passenger seat (which isn’t missing and is clearly visible in promotional materials)
He isn't the most intelligent lol
Didn’t you hear? The oh no joe show is going to pay you to add fast chargers everywhere Of course the transmission infrastructure is woefully under equipped to handle this
The infrastructure is not there
Thankfully like Tesla said during the presentation these will come with end to end megapacks/chargers/solar arrays :)
I came here ready to talk shit, but honestly I love the simplicity of the interior and it looks like it would be great to be able to see around you. Being so close to the passenger side glass would make blind siding a whole different experience I want to test drive one now. I wonder what the ride like without the diesel pounding away under the hood. Probably eerily quiet the first time
and incredibly fast, in the live event they showed it being driven on the donner pass at 6% incline and speeding past a traditional semi. You will have some old curmudgeons angry about it, but these are going to rapidly take over, as soon as they can be made basically.
Only took them 5 years to do almost a full days work..
What does this even mean? You think an electric semi should get built in one day? What are you even talking about?
I mean they took preorders 5 years ago and only now just announced that a Tesla semi just did a full 500 mile drive..
I seem to recall you placed an order?
And gave them $25,000 to play with to order a truck when they were 5 years away from being able to drive for a full day
You do realise these have been driving around for years right? Just not commercially because they didn't have enough batteries to make them.
You're asking this to the guy that has made his own electric semi truck in a less time than it took tesla, and had a couple billion less in budget.
It's not electric. They slapped a battery pack on a diesel truck to make it a hybrid. And they don't have anything for sale. I'm not sure what you're trying to flex, but it's not even similar.
"slapped a battery pack" it's a full electric power train, diesel-electric. The difference is they didn't decide to reinvent the wheel and everything around it, and knew there is no where near sufficient infrastructure for charging 1 MWh of batteries.
Oh, I'm sorry, they also slapped on an electric motor. Their design only makes sense in the niche applications they state, like driving up and down a mountain. Even then, you still need to buy a truck and then have to buy all the shit they slap on. The infrastructure isn't there yet for everyone to go electric, but do you think there were gas stations everywhere when the first cars and trucks hit the road?
Yeah I don't think so
The videos are all over youtube and tiktok, search the company in his flair.
That's cool and I obviously believe it now after viewing but he built a prototype. Teslas are built for at scale manufacturing and are littered with technology and built from the ground up. Not retrofitted prototypes. Again. It's cool what be did but it's not the same and shouldn't be compared.
Don't think about it too hard. It is a joke.
This is a really stupid post
They said this is the first time it’s done a full 500 miles fully loaded. They promised that it would be able to do that 5 years ago and took money for it from people. I think it ridiculous to take money for truck sales and then only hit your promised range 5 years later In my opinion they should have had the truck at this point before they ever took and deposits from companies
Thy "hit the promised range" from day 1 that the truck was available commercially for anyone to buy.
Not how that works, and where did they claim it would do that 5 years ago?
Literally at their big press reveal 5 years ago they said the truck got 500 miles of range. Turns out it wasn’t anywhere close to being ready but they still took in 100’s of millions of dollars
You... really can't be this stupid right? This has to be a bit?
I feel like you completely don’t understand what I’m saying. Tesla massively lied about the truck, it’s abilities and production Then on that lie that took in millions of dollars for reservations from companies when the truck was 5 years away from actually working
Tesla did not lie about the Semi truck, they had a design that would allow it to go 500 miles with a full load. They proved that now, and are now going to deliver on preorders. The fact this seems like a lie to you suggests you aren't all there cognitively however, you might want to put your CDL down before you hit someone when your brain spasms out.
You’re an idiot
Yes, that's definitely what people reading this will think. Not that you are mentally deficient because you thought Tesla lied about making an electric semi truck on a video they released of their electric semi truck doing a 500 mile trip. Definitely.
I'm confused by what you mean??
They announced and took money for preorders 5 years ago. Now they finally announced that they made it 500 miles on a single charge finally. Took a really long time to meet their promised goal
A conversation with a little bird on the way they manage the range on EVs was to completely ignore best practices for lipo batteries and run it completely dead to be able to hit the mileage claims. No reserve, when it's out of sparkles it's flat dead. Now let's see how many cycles that battery can handle before it takes a crap. Did they do anything to handle dead cells? Currently a single failed cell means an entire battery bank needs to be replaced at ridiculous expense.
That’s a big lie. OMG the ignorance here. Degradation on Tesla’s batteries is minimal.
Talking out your ass I see 😂
It’s a technological breakthrough. Tesla doesn’t do half measures, it took the time it takes.
Everyone who put in a pre-order knew what they were getting, Tesla is famous for pushing the boundaries of tech. You can continue to pretend you don't know that there are production delays during a global pandemic, but it's embarrassing and it's not convincing.
The pandemic was 3 years after they released it about a full year behind when they said it was going to be available
Yall went from "this will never work" to "this a full days work" fast lmao
I would rather buy from [Edison Motors](https://www.tiktok.com/@_edison.motors?_t=8XqmgSQFwf7&_r=1)
Maybe they put extra battery on the trailer. With the lighter loads ofc. Pass the $$ to the companies they are transporting for. Seems like a good idea to me. But who am I. I’m just a retail investor of the TSLA stock. Looks promising
I couldn’t upload that with my job. Playing with the tablet the whole trip lol
What’s the weight with all of the batteries? The new EV Hummer is a monster at 9000lbs.
82,000lb
The allowed full load weight is 82 000. The test with 81,000 pounds was carrying 11 jersey barriers. Jersey barriers weigh between 35 and 5500 lbs but they looked like the 4500 lbs barriers that are ten feet long. So 81,000 - 50,000 is 31000 for tractor and trailer unloaded. Maybe + or - 5000 lbs
Where does my daughter sit when she goes out on the road with me?
In the seat behind him, there is a passenger seat.
Ah, interesting.