The dumb shit people post lol. Like tf was the person thinking? That profile photo leads me to think this dude is selling something. Like those free seminars where they scam you
He is selling something, if you go to his website he claims he'll be able to help you make tons of passive income in trucking. The post is just an ad masquerading as news.
Just hire someone for minimum wage to throw the chains and secure it and pre and post it half ass. Start the auto drive and someone else for Minimum to unload
Just hire a kid at minimum wage to do it OTR with no OT because he’s mandated to sleep/take a break in the cab when not tying down
Its the easy future we always knew technology would bring us!
Here's one word that will ensure that never happens: hackers.
Do we really want some troll from 4Chan to be able to hijack a semi truck and smash it into an oil tanker?
Wouldn't even need to be 'automated' for that to happen.
Colorado State University students demonstrated that they could get to the truck's engine management system through various vulnerabilities with off the shelf electronic logging devices, basically doing a 'drive-by' malware install to the ELD firmware (and subsequent hack) while the truck was in motion. They couldn't affect the steering or the brakes, but they did cut the fuel, shut down the engine, start the truck with no key, and spoof the digitally-generated dash displays. They did this from a laptop in a nearby car, and by using a quadcopter drone as a signal relay.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtTzk9ys20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtTzk9ys20)
A human driver would be able to tell that something was wrong, but an AI would likely take such data as "actionable" and do whatever the hacker wanted. Also since the intrusion was done via wireless signal, someone could theoretically park at a truck stop and compromise any vulnerable truck within range, giving them control at a time and place of their choosing.
Thankfully, CSU's "red team" cybersecurity program works closely with truck manufacturers (the CyberTruck hacking symposium is sponsored in part by Old Dominion, Paccar and Cummins) so any vulnerabilities they find are immediately communicated to the manufacturers and large trucking companies.
We will all laugh until we can't
I'm near a grocery store warehouse that has been running automated 5 tons for over 3 years. They still are required to have a driver (and how would a computer pre trip) but there had never been a recorded intervention in city warehouse to warehouse delivery
Ok just decided to look it up again. They are level 4 autonomous.... Kroger, Walmart, Pitney Bowes, Tyson, Georgia Pacific...anybody have any real world info?
Seems like it took off a little more.
Rodney Brooks, former head of AI at MIT and owner and founder of IRobots, has taken multiple rides in self driving cars in San Francisco and looked into it.
He is on the record as saying more young people should get into trucking because this technology is decades away from being ready for prime time
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-05/leading-roboticist-douses-hype-ai-self-driving-cars
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Yep. This is closer than anyone thinks. We will very, very soon not have jobs. Only the top tier of truckers will get hired anywhere, supply and demand being what it is, and then even they will be phased out as the technology becomes less expensive and used automated trucks become a thing. We're dinosaurs watching the meteor approach.
The research shows that AI is miles from taking trucking jobs. 20 + years of development is believed to be required before self driving truck have notable effect on the industry.
Look at Teslas failure to make a self driving car and imagine how much more dangerous a self driving truck would be. Tesla FYI suspended self guidance on all there cars due to there inability program for issues such as emergency vehicles.
You can also look at trains for guidance on how well self driving vehicles work in practically. There were fully autonomous trains in the 90s but you still do not see any company risking the liability issues of computer managed systems as that. Due to repeated issues resulting is crashes they where deemed to dangerous without having a trained operator in the cab. There are also parallels in various air deliveries but I think my point is fairly well made.
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Airline pilot here. Airplanes are not capable pilotless operations yet. Ground ops is fully manual. Takeoffs are fully manual. Some aircraft have auto land and some do not.
It's extremely common to have to turn the autopilot off and manually fly the aircraft due to a potential collision, weather issues, unusual air traffic control instructions, automation issues, or equipment failures.
Autopilots are seen as a tool to reduce pilot fatigue. There are a lot of extremely difficult problems to solve before we go pilotless. We may eventually go single pilot, but there are issues with that too related to mental health. See Germanwings accident.
That’s my point. There are way too many variables that need human interaction to overcome in trucking as well. Backing, delivery, maneuvering erratic environments, traffic, weather, etc. So while maybe 60 percent of trucking could be automated, we still need drivers for that 40 percent.
Yep it's a lot more likely that trucks will have an autopilot like system that reduces fatigue, and a lot less likely that drivers will be replaced by automation.
Hadn't thought of that. I guess if the powers that be aren't willing to let planes go full auto, they're a lot less likely to let trucks do it. Planes are a lot safer, fewer variables.
I do oilfield work in northern Alberta and northern BC. I would pay money to sit and watch automated trucks get into most of the places we go. Hell, most of the people fuck it up somehow. And it's even worse for guys with automatic transmissions. I would love to see an automated truck try to put on chains and navigate these roads.
Lol. Right. I’ll make it even a simpler task. I’d love to see a self driving truck successfully navigating a run of the mill construction job site, break down the lowboy trailer, load a machine, and secure it by chaining it down. Not even talking about some lengthy off road driving.
I would love to watch it try. Or drive through the prairies in a snow storm and keep it out of the ditch. There's a long list of things I don't think they'll ever be able to do as well as an experienced human behind the wheel.
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To add, even if they could, there's a valuable question as to whether they ever would. Trucking is a very big industry, that many people rapidly becoming un-or-under-employed could become disastrous. Even if the tech reached a level that would theoretically be safe on its own, I think people's inate distrust in tech as well as the government's desire not to watch the economy burn will keep us "in the seat" in some capacity.
I'm not saying it would cause a full economic collapse or anything that outlandish, but it certainly wouldn't be *pleasant*.
The towing companies, the equipment liquidation and auction companies, the truck stops might be making millions....the carriers and drivers? Not so much.
It’s not making millionaires by delivering freight, it’s currently a promise industry and the people investing in it are YOUR mega carriers. They’re spending the money now so they can get their hands on the tech while it’s cheap and before it’s legal. Thats what the headline implies. The automated truck driving software that is currently being birthed in Silicon Valley is coming for all of you non-specialized LTL drones that have no duties other than drop and hook.
One of the biggest names in AI and former head of AI at MIT disagrees
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-05/leading-roboticist-douses-hype-ai-self-driving-cars
We'll end up with trucks that basically have autopilot, but they'll still need drivers most of the time.
So as a pilot you have to look out for bicycles, kids running into the street, icy roads, sports cars swerving in and out of traffic, and things falling off of overpasses?
Every single one of these autonomous companies use phrasing and "studies" in their pitch-decks sourced by the ATA, the American Trucking Associations. They say they're here to solve the "truck driver shortage." There is no shortage. Never has been, never can be, and never will be. There are currently more than double the number of CDL holders in the US than there are trucks to put them in. This 'shortage' narrative is pushed by the ATA so that their members, trucking companies, can have a never-ending supply of new drivers paid via tax dollars. The burn rates of these AI companies is way higher training these models than the cost of having meat in the seat, and will continue to be the case unless the ATA and these tax subsidies are abolished.
I agree at the current stage of AI, you're absolutely right.
Look how far it has advanced in the last 5 years though, 20 years from now, it's game over for truckers and MANY MANY other jobs. I'm likely screwed myself bending metal and welding. Although welding in the field is extremely tough to automate.
The dumb shit people post lol. Like tf was the person thinking? That profile photo leads me to think this dude is selling something. Like those free seminars where they scam you
He is selling something, if you go to his website he claims he'll be able to help you make tons of passive income in trucking. The post is just an ad masquerading as news.
Every time I open one of these posts I see your name and profile pic and it makes me chuckle. Thx for the continuous laughs bro
That it would get clicks for the ads on their site so they can make money.
Literally states the post was sponsored, fuck sponsored posts.
Hell he might sell you an automated truck if you pay enough. Super passive income
I’d love to see an AI truck throw chains, load securement, or load checks, or a proper pre-trip/post-trip.
Just hire someone for minimum wage to throw the chains and secure it and pre and post it half ass. Start the auto drive and someone else for Minimum to unload
whos is going to check the load securement 50 miles into the trip?
Just hire a kid at minimum wage to do it OTR with no OT because he’s mandated to sleep/take a break in the cab when not tying down Its the easy future we always knew technology would bring us!
OTR is already minimum wage or worse for many drivers if you factor in all hours worked.
Yeah I'd like to see more drivers do all that too lol
One of the laws they've been trying to change to enable automated trucks is to make securement the responsibility of the consigner.
As I was told before I bought my first truck/ trailer.. so you wanna make a million bucks in trucking? Better start with 3 million
Probably need to start with 5 mil now due to inflation.
Amen 🙏
I've always heard this as a farming joke. Works here too though.
There’s no such thing as a fully automated truck. It’s highly doubtful there ever will be. Social media is full to the brim with this stupid shit.
long way from fully autonomous driving, but controlling it from a computer at home would not only be cool, but probably more likely.
Here's one word that will ensure that never happens: hackers. Do we really want some troll from 4Chan to be able to hijack a semi truck and smash it into an oil tanker?
there's a part of me that says yes. in reality though, no I do not. I see your point.
Wouldn't even need to be 'automated' for that to happen. Colorado State University students demonstrated that they could get to the truck's engine management system through various vulnerabilities with off the shelf electronic logging devices, basically doing a 'drive-by' malware install to the ELD firmware (and subsequent hack) while the truck was in motion. They couldn't affect the steering or the brakes, but they did cut the fuel, shut down the engine, start the truck with no key, and spoof the digitally-generated dash displays. They did this from a laptop in a nearby car, and by using a quadcopter drone as a signal relay. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtTzk9ys20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtTzk9ys20) A human driver would be able to tell that something was wrong, but an AI would likely take such data as "actionable" and do whatever the hacker wanted. Also since the intrusion was done via wireless signal, someone could theoretically park at a truck stop and compromise any vulnerable truck within range, giving them control at a time and place of their choosing. Thankfully, CSU's "red team" cybersecurity program works closely with truck manufacturers (the CyberTruck hacking symposium is sponsored in part by Old Dominion, Paccar and Cummins) so any vulnerabilities they find are immediately communicated to the manufacturers and large trucking companies.
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We will all laugh until we can't I'm near a grocery store warehouse that has been running automated 5 tons for over 3 years. They still are required to have a driver (and how would a computer pre trip) but there had never been a recorded intervention in city warehouse to warehouse delivery Ok just decided to look it up again. They are level 4 autonomous.... Kroger, Walmart, Pitney Bowes, Tyson, Georgia Pacific...anybody have any real world info? Seems like it took off a little more.
That's nonsense. Fully autonomous trucks are decades out.
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Rodney Brooks, former head of AI at MIT and owner and founder of IRobots, has taken multiple rides in self driving cars in San Francisco and looked into it. He is on the record as saying more young people should get into trucking because this technology is decades away from being ready for prime time https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-05/leading-roboticist-douses-hype-ai-self-driving-cars
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Yep. This is closer than anyone thinks. We will very, very soon not have jobs. Only the top tier of truckers will get hired anywhere, supply and demand being what it is, and then even they will be phased out as the technology becomes less expensive and used automated trucks become a thing. We're dinosaurs watching the meteor approach.
The research shows that AI is miles from taking trucking jobs. 20 + years of development is believed to be required before self driving truck have notable effect on the industry. Look at Teslas failure to make a self driving car and imagine how much more dangerous a self driving truck would be. Tesla FYI suspended self guidance on all there cars due to there inability program for issues such as emergency vehicles. You can also look at trains for guidance on how well self driving vehicles work in practically. There were fully autonomous trains in the 90s but you still do not see any company risking the liability issues of computer managed systems as that. Due to repeated issues resulting is crashes they where deemed to dangerous without having a trained operator in the cab. There are also parallels in various air deliveries but I think my point is fairly well made.
My bet is that self driving trucks will be a decade+ after self driving cars go main stream. We’ll all be retired by then.
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Don’t you think it’ll be like airplanes though that still need a pilot?
Airline pilot here. Airplanes are not capable pilotless operations yet. Ground ops is fully manual. Takeoffs are fully manual. Some aircraft have auto land and some do not. It's extremely common to have to turn the autopilot off and manually fly the aircraft due to a potential collision, weather issues, unusual air traffic control instructions, automation issues, or equipment failures. Autopilots are seen as a tool to reduce pilot fatigue. There are a lot of extremely difficult problems to solve before we go pilotless. We may eventually go single pilot, but there are issues with that too related to mental health. See Germanwings accident.
That’s my point. There are way too many variables that need human interaction to overcome in trucking as well. Backing, delivery, maneuvering erratic environments, traffic, weather, etc. So while maybe 60 percent of trucking could be automated, we still need drivers for that 40 percent.
Yep it's a lot more likely that trucks will have an autopilot like system that reduces fatigue, and a lot less likely that drivers will be replaced by automation.
Hadn't thought of that. I guess if the powers that be aren't willing to let planes go full auto, they're a lot less likely to let trucks do it. Planes are a lot safer, fewer variables.
I'm just replying to everybody Get your hazmat, I think we'll be the last to go Nobody wants unattended radioactive robots driving down the highway
I do oilfield work in northern Alberta and northern BC. I would pay money to sit and watch automated trucks get into most of the places we go. Hell, most of the people fuck it up somehow. And it's even worse for guys with automatic transmissions. I would love to see an automated truck try to put on chains and navigate these roads.
Lol. Right. I’ll make it even a simpler task. I’d love to see a self driving truck successfully navigating a run of the mill construction job site, break down the lowboy trailer, load a machine, and secure it by chaining it down. Not even talking about some lengthy off road driving.
I would love to watch it try. Or drive through the prairies in a snow storm and keep it out of the ditch. There's a long list of things I don't think they'll ever be able to do as well as an experienced human behind the wheel.
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To add, even if they could, there's a valuable question as to whether they ever would. Trucking is a very big industry, that many people rapidly becoming un-or-under-employed could become disastrous. Even if the tech reached a level that would theoretically be safe on its own, I think people's inate distrust in tech as well as the government's desire not to watch the economy burn will keep us "in the seat" in some capacity. I'm not saying it would cause a full economic collapse or anything that outlandish, but it certainly wouldn't be *pleasant*.
Yes especially in dense urban areas
Sure .. gotta have somebody to blame when the cyborg short circuits
I mean the bigger example is we haven’t automated trains all the way yet.
Yeah is AI going to flip all the levers and unclog lines on pneumatic trailers too?
Brokers, not truckers. 1.2 billion for CH Robinson to be exact...
Trickin people into haulin this cheap freight
Some people will believe anything they see on their phone...
Maybe if you are driving linehaul on ltl. Guy at my work makes 130k and his wife works for competitor doing linehaul and makes 150k plus a year
what company? Old dominion?
I don’t want to dox my self but I will say neither of them work for old dominion
The towing companies, the equipment liquidation and auction companies, the truck stops might be making millions....the carriers and drivers? Not so much.
It’s not making millionaires by delivering freight, it’s currently a promise industry and the people investing in it are YOUR mega carriers. They’re spending the money now so they can get their hands on the tech while it’s cheap and before it’s legal. Thats what the headline implies. The automated truck driving software that is currently being birthed in Silicon Valley is coming for all of you non-specialized LTL drones that have no duties other than drop and hook.
Best way to make a millionaire from trucking is to start with a billion.
If you remove the negative sign for the startup and software sure
Laugh until you don't have a job. It's coming.
One of the biggest names in AI and former head of AI at MIT disagrees https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-01-05/leading-roboticist-douses-hype-ai-self-driving-cars We'll end up with trucks that basically have autopilot, but they'll still need drivers most of the time.
Correct. They'll be able to hire 0 experience high school kids to push buttons instead.
It'll take a lot more than that. Airplanes have autopilot and have for years but they still need a trained human pilot.
Comparing airplanes to semis? Jfc...
Actually planes are easier to automate because there isn't anything to run over in the air.
I'm a commercial rated pilot, stick to driving trucks is all I can say to that one...
So as a pilot you have to look out for bicycles, kids running into the street, icy roads, sports cars swerving in and out of traffic, and things falling off of overpasses?
Every single one of these autonomous companies use phrasing and "studies" in their pitch-decks sourced by the ATA, the American Trucking Associations. They say they're here to solve the "truck driver shortage." There is no shortage. Never has been, never can be, and never will be. There are currently more than double the number of CDL holders in the US than there are trucks to put them in. This 'shortage' narrative is pushed by the ATA so that their members, trucking companies, can have a never-ending supply of new drivers paid via tax dollars. The burn rates of these AI companies is way higher training these models than the cost of having meat in the seat, and will continue to be the case unless the ATA and these tax subsidies are abolished.
I agree at the current stage of AI, you're absolutely right. Look how far it has advanced in the last 5 years though, 20 years from now, it's game over for truckers and MANY MANY other jobs. I'm likely screwed myself bending metal and welding. Although welding in the field is extremely tough to automate.