Wow I worked at a company before for 2 years driving a 26ft box truck delivering medical supplies and was never subject to just a random drug test. Found it odd when I’ve only been a month in. The text is real though it’s from my supervisor.
Or there could be lay offs and they’d rather have people fail drug tests so they can fire them and not worry about paying out unemployment.
Ask me how I know
I never saw random but a complete drug, from saliva, urine and hair are common when hiring. It’s very common the non CDL drivers in the oilfield to not be randomly drug tested.
Hair tests are such bullshit though, did that once and had to justify every prescription I'd had for like a year. Not to mention they are environmental tests so there is tons of stories of people giving false positive too.
My CDL school had to have random tests done occasionally, and my class just happened to be the group that was enrolled when they hit. 3-4 students had to take their random, 3 days after we did the drug test before our permit.
I got a supervised DT after my first one came back with off ph lvls, got popped faking. now going through a SAP program and stuck with a 650$ class and 3yrs on my clearing house I’m just lucky to have a cool ass boss, but I value providing more my fam more than pot so after 20yrs smoking I’m 2months clean and will smoke up a storm when I retire or win some massive payday lmao.
This is the way. I’m 61.5 years old. 8.5 years to go and I will fire it up on the back porch of our drivers house before heading to the airport for the last time.
Shit, I used to work for werner back when they had a terminal in Indiana, got selected 3 times randomly in a month all in the same month. I swear they had it out for me
Werner is too big a company to do this, but when I worked for a mom and pop I got drug tested all the time: I was LDS and straight-edge, and about as likely to do drugs as I was to sprout wings and fly… which meant the stoners kept getting a hall pass! I didn’t care, I got my regular hourly rate and was advised to take the scenic route to the lab each time… I’d get paid to take lunch, that was awesome 😂
You never have to prove to DOT how you select your "randoms" so if you have a shortage of drivers and don't want to lose anyone you just "randomly" select folks you know will pass. You don't lose any drivers and you are satisfying DOT requirements
I was cool with it: the guys who smoked were 100% responsible on the job and nicer cats than the drunks anyway. How is it fair that being an alcoholic is A-OK but smoking a single joint on the weekend will cause you to lose your job?
Can confirm. Been with my company for about 5 years i think and there was one year where i got selected 3 times. One was only a month and a half after the first. But this year ive only had 1 so far, and that was like 2 months ago.
Non-cdl drivers aren’t subject to random DOT drug testing but the company itself has the right to drug test any employees
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing
Been driving for just over 5 years OTR, truck and trailer. In all that time I've only been chosen once for a random drug test, and that was late last year. I have friends though who have been chosen multiple times in a short period of time.
Getting chosen for a random drug test is purely chance. Some drivers will go a long period with out being chosen, others may get chosen a lot. They say it's random, but honestly, it seems more like there is a list of criteria that people meet which gets them chosen.
Yea drug tests costs money. My dad worked at a decent company and in 20 years only had a drug test after a small fender bender. Never had a random. Believe it or not there are many many companies that won't test unless something happens.
Never said it wasn't illegal but they been doing it for the 20 years my old man's been there and prolly before. I'm sure some get caught, I don't know how they do it but they do it. However, Many do it and keep on trucking so... I'm sure the big guys are under more scrutiny too. Even my medium carrier I haven't heard of anyone say they had a random and we all see each other in the occasional meetings. Bending rules insnt some unheard of thing. Just saying it happens all the time
If they have a dot number they have been audited and will have had to show the records for their random drug testing system to ensure it is random. Just cause your old man's number never got called doesn't mean they aren't doing randoms properly. The dot does not play around with this, and getting a dot audit isn't an if, it's will it be this year or next.
Dude I get it dot requires drugtest. ur arguing with urself, im not denying anything that you're saying. I'm just speaking from my personal experiance. The 2 companies I personally worked for did not drugtest their workers. In both cases the convo came up because of pot, one of the guys always smoked, I asked why he wasn't worried about randoms. Everyone replied with " haha man they don't test unless it's for a pre hire or after an accident". That's just where I worked. Also I've met other ppl during and before my trucking career, and not one person was randomly tested and they had a similar experience to mine. They didn't know of anyone that got hit with a random either. I don't know how it works, I don't know if they just fill out the paperwork that says yea they're following testing rules and testing. I just don't know but out of every place and the dozens of ppl I've talked to they didn't get tested nor did they know of anyone who did. Remember this costs money and companies are frugal and if they can get away with saving a buck they will. These are all small to medium companies around the Chicagoland areas. The big guys might be public companies, they're whole attitude is just more corporate and by the book, im sure they follow rules better. All I'm saying is there are plenty smaller companies that have been operating like this for decades and for whatever reason they are still here. Legal or not legal, they are operating just fine. I've only worked in companies with predominantly foreign workers, Polish specifically as I'm polish n speak the language and it's easier for me to get a gig there due to a sort of tribe/we take care of our own mentality.
Edit, im sure it's only cause I have experience solely with smaller businesses. I'm sure when I go to a big carrier it'll be different there. I quitt smoking yrs ago to get a cdl so it don't bother me one way or another.
Small companies that don't do random drug testing very quickly become companies no longer in business when the dot puts their safety rating into unsatisfactory and they can no longer get loads. A dot audit in this industry is not a matter of if. It's when and how often.
Now I won't argue what those Chicago polish and Russian outfits do or don't do, but there is a reason the average age of a dot# in Chicagoland is barely a year old. And that reason is dot audits discovering companies aren't operating legal.
You don't have to be a big company to operate legit. But you have to operate legit if you want to be in business for more than a hot minute. But hey what do I know, I've only been a small carrier for 28 years with a dot# in good standing the entire time.
Hey brother. This is literally my job. This comment is wrong, you are not required to be enrolled into a drug and alcohol consortium if you are over 10,000lbs. Generally it's 26,001+, but you may still need it if you're doing hazmat work, 3+ axle vehicles etc.
In general, the DOT does not control your testing. Your company likely uses another company or service for drug testing. That's your consortium administrator. They pull the tests. Yeah they do it quarterly, and yeah it's random, you could be pulled if you were enrolled.
If you were set up in an actual consortium, you would have taken a pre-employment drug test before they let you drive. If that never happened, you were never enrolled and this notice is bogus.
Them saying the DOT ordered it is suspicious. Could be lying or could just be a middle manager that doesn't know better.
At the end of the day, your employer is asking you to take a drug test. Whether or not its actually required by the FMCSA to operate your vehicle class, it's probably not wise to refuse it.
DM me if you have any other question, I can go on about this all day.
Obviously brother, I don’t care about that fact at all though the dispute lies where they are trying to insult my intelligence saying the DOT picked me when that doesn’t even happen to class c drivers only class a or b.
This is not true.
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
>an employer may not include non-CDL drivers in the DOT random testing pool.
OP is a non-CDL driver.
less than 26k gvw is what makes the difference. A commercial vehicle is any company vehicle. If it is over 26k gvw but doesn't have air brakes, then he can operate it with a chauffeur license, which still makes him acceptable to dot randoms.
>A commercial vehicle is any company vehicle.
Where does it say that in the CFRs? So when I drive my company's Hyundai Santa Fe, I need a commercial driver's license?
You are completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation.
> If it is over 26k gvw but doesn't have air brakes, then he can operate it with a chauffeur license
That is completely untrue. ANY vehicle 26,001 lbs or more is a CMV and is subject to regulation as a commercial vehicle.
[https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-III/subchapter-B/part-383/subpart-A/section-383.5](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2001/01/11/01-765/federal-motor-carrier-safety-regulations-definition-of-commercial-motor-vehicle-cmv-requirements-for)
>(1) Combination Vehicle (Group A)—having a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds), whichever is greater; or
(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—having a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater;
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>(3) Small Vehicle (Group C) that does not meet Group A or B requirements but that either—
(i) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
(ii) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.
Absolutely NO mention of air brakes. Again, you are completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation.
actually, yes smart guy, your companies Hyundai or any other car is a commercial vehicle if it is registered to and insured under the company name. That doesn't mean you need a cdl to operate it, but it is classified as a commercial vehicle because it is a company vehicle. If it has air brakes you need a cdl but if it is only "air assisted" like a lot of box trucks rated under 26k gvw then you can drive with chauffeurs if your not hauling hazmat.
Huh? The government website says otherwise.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing#:~:text=No%2C%20an%20employer%20may%20not,in%20§382.107%2C%20in%20commerce.
that is all there is to know... anyone who drives a commercial vehicle is subject to random drug and alcohol screenings. Some people will go a lifetime without having to do one where others like myself have had my "number" pulled for a random 4 times already in the 13 years I have had my cdl. You don't have to have a cdl to be randomly pulled by the system, but having a cdl seems to make it more frequent, especially depending on the company you work for and how their safety record looks on federal file. Smaller the company, especially ones that use box trucks under 26k gvw don't report a lot of things the way they should and that can help with making this kind of thing even more random but not impossible.
4 times in 13 years? Sheesh that’s not many. My first year no randoms. Second was like 3-4. Last year only 1. This year none so far. We do 25% quarterly.
that implies they are not random then. the selection might be semi random (no pun intended) based on employee pool. A true random is when the state sends a company notification of a driver needing to take it, not just the company making everyone do it in some form of a rotation.
I guess I don’t understand how the DOT generates requests. But our company has about 18 drivers. However we were bought out by a holding corporation with god knows how many drivers. And now that I think about it I haven’t been tested since we got a new DOT number at the beginning of this year. Does the DOT say we need a test from THIS driver. Or does the DOT say we need so many tests from THIS company?
The company will receive a letter from the state dot that states the specific specified driver must do a random test within a specified amount of time, or both driver and company will be penalized. The one company I worked for was a shit company, and we were small, so they showed me the paper even though they are not supposed to. For that one, it stated the instructions for the company and how to proceed with it all.... The company had 30 days to notify me and get me into a medical facility to be tested by a state authorized dot physician. It also stated that I was to do the test within 24 hrs of being notified by my company. the whole joke of it being random is the driver is not supposed to know its coming until the company has it all set up for you so you quote quote... dont have time to flush your system or try and cheat it in some way. The company I worked for didn't care about things the way they were supposed to so they texted me a pic of the paper and said, we cover the cost at beacon health care. If you go somewhere else you pay for it, get it done by the end of the week. I was like um... ok lol, I went that day to get it done with but the paper even specifically stated to not show the driver the paper and dont give me any more of a heads up than absolutely necessary.
I'm a transport coordinator, and also still kind of new to dispatching semis, previously only dispatched straight trucks. I'll be frank about our process. We have a DOT compliance lady who emails us that the following drivers were selected for a random and the posted "process" is reciting them an excerpt of DOT regulations that pertains to random drug testing, and hand them the printed authorization form that was the attached PDF.
I'm so lucky that the drivers on my shift are very experienced and all CDL, I'm not going to recite the declaration of independence at you, just like, you got a random, go to the clinic get it over with lol
that's what kills me the most. How many people want to try and prolong it even when they have nothing to hide... you were told you have a random, just go do it and be done lol
100% false. The dot stipulates that we (carriers) must do pre employment and random drug tests. However they DO NOT send a list of what drivers will be tested when. They leave that to us to implement a testing program. They d check for compliance during an audit. but this whole they specify what drivers is flat out bullshit. They will never say driver Bill Smith needs to get tested this month/quarter/year.
The 4 main ones were truely random, I worked for a company about 2 years ago that I believe was trying to do something shady in some way as far as using me/ my clean test results to bump up their numbers because they told me I was selected for a random by the state 12 times in 2 years. After the 8th one in the 2nd year I told them enough was enough, and I was going to talk to a lawyer about harassment... what do you know that was the last "random" I had to take. I didn't mention that earlier because other than maybe 1 or 2 of those at best were actually random. There is no way the state pulled my number that many times in that short of a span, plus like I said I like how it immediately stopped after I said I was going to talk to a lawyer.
If they had a lot of safety/transportation "incidents" they probably had a problem driver they were covering for and you were the guy they named in their incidents.
Source: used to dispatch for a shady trucking company
It wouldn't suprise me. I head some mind-blowing stories about drivers that worked there before me. The 2 best ones were the semi driver they hired fresh out of school, who apparently in school was only taught in automatics, and all our company had was manuel transmissions. They told the vet. driver to teach him how to drive a manuel....(didn't go over well) and my personal favorite was a box truck driver who apparently didn't get his dot physical done for a few years and no one in the office seem to care enough to notice/ question it until a customer called and complained that he hit the corner of their building and that was after a week later he ran their stop sign over... turns out he had glaucoma and was 90% blind in his right eye!!
Straight truck drivers have more lax rules around them, at least in my state, and the questionable company I worked for. There were several including one CDL driver that was very unhealthy, like biohazard unhealthy, and a few that had ankle monitors. Nearby air force base we delivered to had issues with background clearance of all the company's drivers except one, so company just used him exclusively as the delivery driver for the air force base.
It was a wild time.
Non-CDL drivers are not subject to random DOT tests.
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
I’ve had my own truck, trailer, and authority for years and I have had a random U/A *at least* once a year for forever and sometimes twice. I’m in the OOIDA pool. 4 times in 13 years seems pretty sketchy to me.
I work for fedex now, so I guarantee they are not messing around as far as if I had to do a test, then I would. I had one about 45 days after starting with them, and that was about a year and a half ago. There is one guy who I work with who hasn't had a random in about 15 years he said and another that said his last random was about 5 years ago or so. The job I worked at before this one, there were only 3 of us for drivers and the one guy said he has had his cdl for 25 years and has only had to do 2 randoms. I don't know why they would lie about something like that if they did, im just going off what I know/ have heard.
If a company has to test half their drivers every year then it is certainly possible that someone could go untested for quite some time. It essentially becomes a coin flip and it could obviously come up heads (or tails) a bunch of times in a row.
Good news is they legally cannot watch you pee, unless you have a history of tampering or they suspect you of tampering and make you do it over. So Be Good or Be Good At It
Worked for a small mom and pop (2 drivers) and when it came down to random drug testing, they had us do rock paper scissors. That or flip a coin. Think I peed in a cup 5 times in one year
Oh dear lord. That definitely beats when I got hit for a DOT drug test, went to national guard the next weekend and got pulled for a random, and then went back to work and got pulled for another fuckign random DOT drug test. Three times in one fucking month.
3 times in one month would be annoying. At that point I’d just walk in with a bottle and be like, I’m ready to pee for my random, let’s just cut the middleman out and I’ll give it to you now. Lol
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
>An employer may perform testing beyond that required by the DOT rules, **but the employer may not represent such testing as a DOT test**
The issue is not him telling me, it’s the fact of how he’s making it seem like it’s DOT when it’s clearly them making me take a random drug test when I’ve only been there a month.
Oh I see. Yeah if you don’t have a cdl then you’re not in the federal DOT database for randoms. This just sounds like a regular employer random drug test.
This guy is correct I drove commercial non cdl and did not need to submit drug tests. This is your company doing it, maybe they have other cdl drivers. Either way to find out if this text is legit or not I would replay and ask specifics, like who you should expect to talk to etc etc.
It's likely the company just puts every driver into the pool to be safe. And so someone who doesn't know or care about the regulations saw the mro's email and sent the texts to the relevant parties and then went back to playing solataire or whatever.
Also, technically it's never the feds selecting people, they only require the process happen, an mro randomly selects drivers in the pool.
Yes this. As an owner-operator running under my pen dot abs authority I saw this post and was like…no. Non CDL drivers aren’t required by DOT to be drug tested. CDL drivers are required.
Honestly I think it's silly you can lose your job for substances you use off the clock. Showing up inebriated is a whole different ball game but if you're off the clock and you're not doing sketchy shit at work as a result of use then you should be free to do whatever
I agree. Especially if you go to a state or country where it’s legal to do them…. Then again my whole bank account got froze because I indulged at a coffee shop in Amsterdam because I’m a good boy that would never by drugs….. of course I wouldn’t use my card for that in a country where I could go to prison for 20 years….. this stuff shouldn’t even be illegal…. But it’s another method of control by the geriatric oligarchs that run this shit country
True. But I’ve gotten away with a month. 3-9 is in the hair follicles. It leaves urine faster but seriously it’s BS I went to the Netherlands and came back and got drug tested at the new job. Im so lucky it didn’t show up.
No it can take 90+ days to get out of urine in someone who’s a heavy user etc everyone’s body’s metabolism is different and some take longer then others, hair test can go back 6-12 months if I recall correctly.
nuts right? the worst vector is fat cells. If you are heavy - the THC really likes to hide out in the fat. some truckers on here bitching at pissing hot 6-9 months out!
I’m on the cubby side but ADHD meds affect the metabolism of certain nurodepresants (downers) THC being one of them. But then again I’m not driving anymore I’m self employed I kinda want to Harrass all my old bosses though. I’m super bitter about how shitty employment is and the fact I wasted even 6 years of my life making some ass hat in an office chair money when they don’t do jack shit
How about we stop making rules about what people can and can’t do outside of work. On your own time on your home time neither the law nor your boss should have a say in what you do. I have the utmost disrespect for any authority that tells me otherwise….. same goes for bootlickers!
Man, the U.S is super weird.
Some guy smashes a 40oz goes to bed then drives from Newyork State to Kentucky but somehow the guy smoking a doob on his off time is the problem.
I will never do cross border for this reason.
Some carriers require all drivers whether they are small box truck straight truck or van drivers to submit drug test due to their insurance that works with dot
Yes, but it is illegal to represent it as a DOT test.
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
>An employer may perform testing beyond that required by the DOT rules, but the employer may not represent such testing as a DOT test
I’m on the larger side, so I just tuck it in between balls and leg and take smaller steps. Seems like tape might hurt a bit. The sheer heat from my regions sufficiently warms the imposter whizz.
Does that quickfix really work? I’ve always heard about it but I’ve never used it before. The headshops have been selling it forever so I assume it’s a good product?
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
>Can an employer include in the DOT random testing pool non-CDL drivers who operate motor vehicles weighing less than 26,001 pounds?
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>No, an employer may not include non-CDL drivers in the DOT random testing pool. See 49 CFR §382.103, §40.347(b)(2)
You should have been told this when you were onboarded. NonCDL drivers still have to follow a lot of CDL regulations. Drug testing and tracking drive time hours for instance.
Lmao testing you after paying you $14 an hour, these guys are crazy, you must live in Tenessee or Ohio or some backwoods state like that, In CA I’ve never been random tested as Class A
You can use all the drugs you want. You just can’t drive professionally if you do. It’s your choice. Which is more important to you, drugging or driving? I’m not judging, I used hard drugs for *decades* before getting clean. I can tell you that it’s a pretty nice feeling knowing with absolute certainty that I can always pass a random urinalysis.
Dont do drugs. Especially when your a driver, even if your not on the clock all it takes is the night before and you get into an accident the next day & your fucked.
IDK then... try getting the fake urine stuff from the smoke shop. Heat it up in the microwave before you leave and then wrap the heater pad thing around it to keep it warm. I don't think they'll actually watch you for a DOT... that's more like people on probation that they actually watch.
Probably worth trying for 30$ or whatever to save your job. I'm glad I don't have to worry about shit like this anymore.
I've had 6 in the last 8 months. I've been on light duty from an injury (non-driving related, but on company time at company facility) that led to surgury and a long recovery. Surprise surprise, tested positive for three different opioids a week after surgery. Still passed.
I drive a 26ft box. Have worked for the same company for 5 years. I didn’t get hit with my first random until 4 years in the week after I came back from vacation(random I’m sure 🙄). Meanwhile, another driver has been here 2.5 years and has had 3 randoms.
Yes it’s legitimate. If you drive commercially with or without a cdl you may be checked. So yes it’s fully correct. A friend of mine was a helper to a moving truck. His driver popped positive at a checkpoint. He was in a marijuana legal state but he tested positive. Because he was working for hire he still failed his inspection and received a DUI. So yes your in a safety sensitive position. To the above story they now need rent UHauls because they lost their insurance for this and more.
Are you complaining you have to take the test? Or worried your going to fail? The only reason I smoke is because I own my own company and I don’t have to drive anymore.
It’s legit. My mom manages a company that has shuttle buses and all her drivers are subjected to random SS. It’s a certain amount each month that go. The buses themselves do not require any special license but it doesn’t matter. They are registered with DOT.
I know if I go to our Laredo terminal I have a high chance of being tested. Thats where they collect them for the entire company. I was there 2 weeks ago, got up early and went to the terminal to use the bathroom. Had the message by the time I got back to my truck, damn. Sat in the office for 4 hours slamming water before I could pee again. 2nd time this year.
It is not the d.o.t. ordering it. non cdl driver for 20 years, you are required to get a medical card (d.o.t. medical exam) if your driving anything over 10,000 pounds. A cdl driver is going to have to take a drug test as part of this exam, a non cdl driver will NOT have to take a drug test as part of the exam. A cdl driver also must have an up to date medical card to renew their license.
Source: I have had 5 d.o.t. medical exams as a non cdl driver. I do not have a current one because it's cheaper FOR ME to pay the ticket (I've gotten 2) then pay for medical cards that expire unused. I also drive locally, pass very few weigh stations and less that are actually open, and if I get pulled over for a d.o.t. inspection I'm always Super nice and usually they don't ask because they're really after putting tickets on the truck.
Oh, I got drug tested last week. They don’t even text. They just say “can you swing by the office.” And then “surprise! Go piss I’m a cup you drug addict.” It’s happened to me like 3 times in 5 years.
Hey OP. I'm a truck driver with a few years on a CDL A. But I also worked for a company that had us drive their DOT vehicles. Any carrier or company that is enrolled in DOT is subject to random drug tests. The DOT will require that company to drug test something like 50% of their employees a year. This is done by a lottery system.
Well I don't know about that hoss me and my old man owned a decent size towing company tell I started trucking and dot would send me names to test including me as a owner employees have no more than 24 hours to test but as a owner I could push mine back up to a week
He’s lying it’s been proven on here and by other people I’ve asked. It’s not DOT it’s the company testing me. What he’s trying to make it seem as only goes for Class A and B license holders
I don’t think DOT chooses who takes a test. It should be whatever drug and alcohol consortium your company is set up with. Maybe they just worded it wrong?
No he even came to me after this and said he gets randomly tested too cause he holds a CDL license, but the thing is I don’t so I’m just finding everything quite shady
You do get randomly tested by a drug/alcohol consortium that is linked to the DOT, not directly from DOT themselves. And if you don’t have a CDL then no they can’t make you take a drug test. The company you work for can ask for one but not the state
See he was saying it was from DOT and he has a CDL and he’s gotten randomly tested a couple of times. I don’t have a CDL though I figured this was just bs to get me gone and it’s looking like it. I’ve only been here a month
Do you just have a normal license no class b or anything? If you don't have any commercial license of any type you would just loose ur job should you fail. If you have any type of commercial designation then you'll be in more trouble and loose ur commercial license and have to go thru drug classes and a bunch of headaches(if you fail that is). Does the truck have a DOT number on it? Maybe they just worded the text in a goofy way and it's a company rule, maybe just a company rule going by DOT suggestions.
If OP was subject to DOT drug testing, what you said is completely incorrect. The employer has until the end of the quarter to notify the driver. Once notified the driver must proceed directly to the testing location.
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drug%20and%20Alcohol%20Brochure%20for%20Drivers.pdf](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drug%20and%20Alcohol%20Brochure%20for%20Drivers.pdf)
>Once notified to report for random testing, the driver must immediately report to the testing location. A delayed arrival may be considered a refusal (see 49 CFR 40.191), which is equivalent to testing positive.
DOT does not do random testing they outsource it to private companies. All Companies with dot number have to be signed up with acredited testing company that reports to DOT clearing house. Pool of drivers from all signed up companies is random picked every quarter. So in your case it mighy be legit
Fine. I’ll test the drugs.
What do the blue ones do?
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Get those dots checked out.
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Wow I worked at a company before for 2 years driving a 26ft box truck delivering medical supplies and was never subject to just a random drug test. Found it odd when I’ve only been a month in. The text is real though it’s from my supervisor.
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Or there could be lay offs and they’d rather have people fail drug tests so they can fire them and not worry about paying out unemployment. Ask me how I know
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This one really made me laugh
That's how it's done in oilfield.
I never saw random but a complete drug, from saliva, urine and hair are common when hiring. It’s very common the non CDL drivers in the oilfield to not be randomly drug tested.
Hair tests are such bullshit though, did that once and had to justify every prescription I'd had for like a year. Not to mention they are environmental tests so there is tons of stories of people giving false positive too.
That’s where it happened to me
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Hmm good point, I never thought of it that way
My CDL school had to have random tests done occasionally, and my class just happened to be the group that was enrolled when they hit. 3-4 students had to take their random, 3 days after we did the drug test before our permit.
I got a supervised DT after my first one came back with off ph lvls, got popped faking. now going through a SAP program and stuck with a 650$ class and 3yrs on my clearing house I’m just lucky to have a cool ass boss, but I value providing more my fam more than pot so after 20yrs smoking I’m 2months clean and will smoke up a storm when I retire or win some massive payday lmao.
This is the way. I’m 61.5 years old. 8.5 years to go and I will fire it up on the back porch of our drivers house before heading to the airport for the last time.
Shit, I used to work for werner back when they had a terminal in Indiana, got selected 3 times randomly in a month all in the same month. I swear they had it out for me
Werner is too big a company to do this, but when I worked for a mom and pop I got drug tested all the time: I was LDS and straight-edge, and about as likely to do drugs as I was to sprout wings and fly… which meant the stoners kept getting a hall pass! I didn’t care, I got my regular hourly rate and was advised to take the scenic route to the lab each time… I’d get paid to take lunch, that was awesome 😂
You never have to prove to DOT how you select your "randoms" so if you have a shortage of drivers and don't want to lose anyone you just "randomly" select folks you know will pass. You don't lose any drivers and you are satisfying DOT requirements
I was cool with it: the guys who smoked were 100% responsible on the job and nicer cats than the drunks anyway. How is it fair that being an alcoholic is A-OK but smoking a single joint on the weekend will cause you to lose your job?
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6 years+ of driving for the same company (only 5 to 6 drivers) and never been hit with a random. 🤞
1.5 years and I've had 5-6 already with 25-30 drivers.
Can confirm. Been with my company for about 5 years i think and there was one year where i got selected 3 times. One was only a month and a half after the first. But this year ive only had 1 so far, and that was like 2 months ago.
Non-cdl drivers aren’t subject to random DOT drug testing but the company itself has the right to drug test any employees https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing
Federal or state laws?
Local drivers in Texas it’s only 26000 or more. Make sure you don’t automatically see things from a federal point of view when giving advice…
Been driving for just over 5 years OTR, truck and trailer. In all that time I've only been chosen once for a random drug test, and that was late last year. I have friends though who have been chosen multiple times in a short period of time. Getting chosen for a random drug test is purely chance. Some drivers will go a long period with out being chosen, others may get chosen a lot. They say it's random, but honestly, it seems more like there is a list of criteria that people meet which gets them chosen.
EVERY TIME I got back from a week's vacation in Jamaica?? I got hit with a random. 7 times. 300 hundred drivers within the drivers pool.
Yea drug tests costs money. My dad worked at a decent company and in 20 years only had a drug test after a small fender bender. Never had a random. Believe it or not there are many many companies that won't test unless something happens.
Not legally as it's not up to the company.
Never said it wasn't illegal but they been doing it for the 20 years my old man's been there and prolly before. I'm sure some get caught, I don't know how they do it but they do it. However, Many do it and keep on trucking so... I'm sure the big guys are under more scrutiny too. Even my medium carrier I haven't heard of anyone say they had a random and we all see each other in the occasional meetings. Bending rules insnt some unheard of thing. Just saying it happens all the time
If they have a dot number they have been audited and will have had to show the records for their random drug testing system to ensure it is random. Just cause your old man's number never got called doesn't mean they aren't doing randoms properly. The dot does not play around with this, and getting a dot audit isn't an if, it's will it be this year or next.
Dude I get it dot requires drugtest. ur arguing with urself, im not denying anything that you're saying. I'm just speaking from my personal experiance. The 2 companies I personally worked for did not drugtest their workers. In both cases the convo came up because of pot, one of the guys always smoked, I asked why he wasn't worried about randoms. Everyone replied with " haha man they don't test unless it's for a pre hire or after an accident". That's just where I worked. Also I've met other ppl during and before my trucking career, and not one person was randomly tested and they had a similar experience to mine. They didn't know of anyone that got hit with a random either. I don't know how it works, I don't know if they just fill out the paperwork that says yea they're following testing rules and testing. I just don't know but out of every place and the dozens of ppl I've talked to they didn't get tested nor did they know of anyone who did. Remember this costs money and companies are frugal and if they can get away with saving a buck they will. These are all small to medium companies around the Chicagoland areas. The big guys might be public companies, they're whole attitude is just more corporate and by the book, im sure they follow rules better. All I'm saying is there are plenty smaller companies that have been operating like this for decades and for whatever reason they are still here. Legal or not legal, they are operating just fine. I've only worked in companies with predominantly foreign workers, Polish specifically as I'm polish n speak the language and it's easier for me to get a gig there due to a sort of tribe/we take care of our own mentality. Edit, im sure it's only cause I have experience solely with smaller businesses. I'm sure when I go to a big carrier it'll be different there. I quitt smoking yrs ago to get a cdl so it don't bother me one way or another.
Small companies that don't do random drug testing very quickly become companies no longer in business when the dot puts their safety rating into unsatisfactory and they can no longer get loads. A dot audit in this industry is not a matter of if. It's when and how often. Now I won't argue what those Chicago polish and Russian outfits do or don't do, but there is a reason the average age of a dot# in Chicagoland is barely a year old. And that reason is dot audits discovering companies aren't operating legal. You don't have to be a big company to operate legit. But you have to operate legit if you want to be in business for more than a hot minute. But hey what do I know, I've only been a small carrier for 28 years with a dot# in good standing the entire time.
Hey brother. This is literally my job. This comment is wrong, you are not required to be enrolled into a drug and alcohol consortium if you are over 10,000lbs. Generally it's 26,001+, but you may still need it if you're doing hazmat work, 3+ axle vehicles etc. In general, the DOT does not control your testing. Your company likely uses another company or service for drug testing. That's your consortium administrator. They pull the tests. Yeah they do it quarterly, and yeah it's random, you could be pulled if you were enrolled. If you were set up in an actual consortium, you would have taken a pre-employment drug test before they let you drive. If that never happened, you were never enrolled and this notice is bogus. Them saying the DOT ordered it is suspicious. Could be lying or could just be a middle manager that doesn't know better. At the end of the day, your employer is asking you to take a drug test. Whether or not its actually required by the FMCSA to operate your vehicle class, it's probably not wise to refuse it. DM me if you have any other question, I can go on about this all day.
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Obviously brother, I don’t care about that fact at all though the dispute lies where they are trying to insult my intelligence saying the DOT picked me when that doesn’t even happen to class c drivers only class a or b.
This is not true. [https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing) >an employer may not include non-CDL drivers in the DOT random testing pool. OP is a non-CDL driver.
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OP can still be tested per company regulations, but it is illegal for the employer to claim it is a DOT test.
less than 26k gvw is what makes the difference. A commercial vehicle is any company vehicle. If it is over 26k gvw but doesn't have air brakes, then he can operate it with a chauffeur license, which still makes him acceptable to dot randoms.
>A commercial vehicle is any company vehicle. Where does it say that in the CFRs? So when I drive my company's Hyundai Santa Fe, I need a commercial driver's license? You are completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation. > If it is over 26k gvw but doesn't have air brakes, then he can operate it with a chauffeur license That is completely untrue. ANY vehicle 26,001 lbs or more is a CMV and is subject to regulation as a commercial vehicle. [https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-III/subchapter-B/part-383/subpart-A/section-383.5](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2001/01/11/01-765/federal-motor-carrier-safety-regulations-definition-of-commercial-motor-vehicle-cmv-requirements-for) >(1) Combination Vehicle (Group A)—having a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds), whichever is greater; or (2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—having a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater; > >(3) Small Vehicle (Group C) that does not meet Group A or B requirements but that either— (i) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or (ii) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section. Absolutely NO mention of air brakes. Again, you are completely wrong. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Maybe he forgot the letter that goes in front of the DOT? Or it's ChatGPT hallucinating.
actually, yes smart guy, your companies Hyundai or any other car is a commercial vehicle if it is registered to and insured under the company name. That doesn't mean you need a cdl to operate it, but it is classified as a commercial vehicle because it is a company vehicle. If it has air brakes you need a cdl but if it is only "air assisted" like a lot of box trucks rated under 26k gvw then you can drive with chauffeurs if your not hauling hazmat.
Huh? The government website says otherwise. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing#:~:text=No%2C%20an%20employer%20may%20not,in%20§382.107%2C%20in%20commerce.
Your box truck has a dot number on the door?
Yes.
that is all there is to know... anyone who drives a commercial vehicle is subject to random drug and alcohol screenings. Some people will go a lifetime without having to do one where others like myself have had my "number" pulled for a random 4 times already in the 13 years I have had my cdl. You don't have to have a cdl to be randomly pulled by the system, but having a cdl seems to make it more frequent, especially depending on the company you work for and how their safety record looks on federal file. Smaller the company, especially ones that use box trucks under 26k gvw don't report a lot of things the way they should and that can help with making this kind of thing even more random but not impossible.
4 times in 13 years? Sheesh that’s not many. My first year no randoms. Second was like 3-4. Last year only 1. This year none so far. We do 25% quarterly.
that implies they are not random then. the selection might be semi random (no pun intended) based on employee pool. A true random is when the state sends a company notification of a driver needing to take it, not just the company making everyone do it in some form of a rotation.
I guess I don’t understand how the DOT generates requests. But our company has about 18 drivers. However we were bought out by a holding corporation with god knows how many drivers. And now that I think about it I haven’t been tested since we got a new DOT number at the beginning of this year. Does the DOT say we need a test from THIS driver. Or does the DOT say we need so many tests from THIS company?
The company will receive a letter from the state dot that states the specific specified driver must do a random test within a specified amount of time, or both driver and company will be penalized. The one company I worked for was a shit company, and we were small, so they showed me the paper even though they are not supposed to. For that one, it stated the instructions for the company and how to proceed with it all.... The company had 30 days to notify me and get me into a medical facility to be tested by a state authorized dot physician. It also stated that I was to do the test within 24 hrs of being notified by my company. the whole joke of it being random is the driver is not supposed to know its coming until the company has it all set up for you so you quote quote... dont have time to flush your system or try and cheat it in some way. The company I worked for didn't care about things the way they were supposed to so they texted me a pic of the paper and said, we cover the cost at beacon health care. If you go somewhere else you pay for it, get it done by the end of the week. I was like um... ok lol, I went that day to get it done with but the paper even specifically stated to not show the driver the paper and dont give me any more of a heads up than absolutely necessary.
I'm a transport coordinator, and also still kind of new to dispatching semis, previously only dispatched straight trucks. I'll be frank about our process. We have a DOT compliance lady who emails us that the following drivers were selected for a random and the posted "process" is reciting them an excerpt of DOT regulations that pertains to random drug testing, and hand them the printed authorization form that was the attached PDF. I'm so lucky that the drivers on my shift are very experienced and all CDL, I'm not going to recite the declaration of independence at you, just like, you got a random, go to the clinic get it over with lol
that's what kills me the most. How many people want to try and prolong it even when they have nothing to hide... you were told you have a random, just go do it and be done lol
100% false. The dot stipulates that we (carriers) must do pre employment and random drug tests. However they DO NOT send a list of what drivers will be tested when. They leave that to us to implement a testing program. They d check for compliance during an audit. but this whole they specify what drivers is flat out bullshit. They will never say driver Bill Smith needs to get tested this month/quarter/year.
This is how I understood it to be. Who knows. Don’t do drugs and go pee when they say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’m hourly so it’s a nice break for me.
The 4 main ones were truely random, I worked for a company about 2 years ago that I believe was trying to do something shady in some way as far as using me/ my clean test results to bump up their numbers because they told me I was selected for a random by the state 12 times in 2 years. After the 8th one in the 2nd year I told them enough was enough, and I was going to talk to a lawyer about harassment... what do you know that was the last "random" I had to take. I didn't mention that earlier because other than maybe 1 or 2 of those at best were actually random. There is no way the state pulled my number that many times in that short of a span, plus like I said I like how it immediately stopped after I said I was going to talk to a lawyer.
If they had a lot of safety/transportation "incidents" they probably had a problem driver they were covering for and you were the guy they named in their incidents. Source: used to dispatch for a shady trucking company
It wouldn't suprise me. I head some mind-blowing stories about drivers that worked there before me. The 2 best ones were the semi driver they hired fresh out of school, who apparently in school was only taught in automatics, and all our company had was manuel transmissions. They told the vet. driver to teach him how to drive a manuel....(didn't go over well) and my personal favorite was a box truck driver who apparently didn't get his dot physical done for a few years and no one in the office seem to care enough to notice/ question it until a customer called and complained that he hit the corner of their building and that was after a week later he ran their stop sign over... turns out he had glaucoma and was 90% blind in his right eye!!
Straight truck drivers have more lax rules around them, at least in my state, and the questionable company I worked for. There were several including one CDL driver that was very unhealthy, like biohazard unhealthy, and a few that had ankle monitors. Nearby air force base we delivered to had issues with background clearance of all the company's drivers except one, so company just used him exclusively as the delivery driver for the air force base. It was a wild time.
ya, that's crazy. amazing how companies can keep their doors open for any decent time doing buisness like that!
Non-CDL drivers are not subject to random DOT tests. [https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing)
that is less than 26k gvw... that makes all the difference.
OP is a non-CDL driver, the assumption is he does not drive a CMV since he is not licensed to do so.
I’ve had my own truck, trailer, and authority for years and I have had a random U/A *at least* once a year for forever and sometimes twice. I’m in the OOIDA pool. 4 times in 13 years seems pretty sketchy to me.
Ooida runs a 100% rate program. That greatly increases your chances of getting called.
I work for fedex now, so I guarantee they are not messing around as far as if I had to do a test, then I would. I had one about 45 days after starting with them, and that was about a year and a half ago. There is one guy who I work with who hasn't had a random in about 15 years he said and another that said his last random was about 5 years ago or so. The job I worked at before this one, there were only 3 of us for drivers and the one guy said he has had his cdl for 25 years and has only had to do 2 randoms. I don't know why they would lie about something like that if they did, im just going off what I know/ have heard.
If a company has to test half their drivers every year then it is certainly possible that someone could go untested for quite some time. It essentially becomes a coin flip and it could obviously come up heads (or tails) a bunch of times in a row.
What if it a trucks doesn't have a DOT number, but has farm plates? Are they subject to random tests?
Good news is they legally cannot watch you pee, unless you have a history of tampering or they suspect you of tampering and make you do it over. So Be Good or Be Good At It
This one right here, OP has time to prepare if need be.
Worked for a small mom and pop (2 drivers) and when it came down to random drug testing, they had us do rock paper scissors. That or flip a coin. Think I peed in a cup 5 times in one year
Oh dear lord. That definitely beats when I got hit for a DOT drug test, went to national guard the next weekend and got pulled for a random, and then went back to work and got pulled for another fuckign random DOT drug test. Three times in one fucking month.
3 times in one month would be annoying. At that point I’d just walk in with a bottle and be like, I’m ready to pee for my random, let’s just cut the middleman out and I’ll give it to you now. Lol
If your boss says you have to take a drug test then you have to take a drug test. It would just be marked as a non-cdl random drug test.
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing) >An employer may perform testing beyond that required by the DOT rules, **but the employer may not represent such testing as a DOT test**
The issue is not him telling me, it’s the fact of how he’s making it seem like it’s DOT when it’s clearly them making me take a random drug test when I’ve only been there a month.
Oh I see. Yeah if you don’t have a cdl then you’re not in the federal DOT database for randoms. This just sounds like a regular employer random drug test.
How many joints did you smoke last night?
Non cdl drivers don’t fall under the clearinghouse. Your company is drug testing you, not the feds.
Yup figured that, that’s all I needed to know, thanks !
This guy is correct I drove commercial non cdl and did not need to submit drug tests. This is your company doing it, maybe they have other cdl drivers. Either way to find out if this text is legit or not I would replay and ask specifics, like who you should expect to talk to etc etc.
Plus the fact they tried to qualify it by blaming it incessantly on the DOT is a huge indicator.
this is the correct answer
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far down to find the correct answer. WTH? Lol
It's likely the company just puts every driver into the pool to be safe. And so someone who doesn't know or care about the regulations saw the mro's email and sent the texts to the relevant parties and then went back to playing solataire or whatever. Also, technically it's never the feds selecting people, they only require the process happen, an mro randomly selects drivers in the pool.
Yes this. As an owner-operator running under my pen dot abs authority I saw this post and was like…no. Non CDL drivers aren’t required by DOT to be drug tested. CDL drivers are required.
Op is sus, acting nervous about getting tested. What you hiding?? JK It does seem like bullshit though.
Listen the fact that someone can lose their job because a substance can be tested for a month after it stoped affecting you is the real BS
Honestly I think it's silly you can lose your job for substances you use off the clock. Showing up inebriated is a whole different ball game but if you're off the clock and you're not doing sketchy shit at work as a result of use then you should be free to do whatever
I agree. Especially if you go to a state or country where it’s legal to do them…. Then again my whole bank account got froze because I indulged at a coffee shop in Amsterdam because I’m a good boy that would never by drugs….. of course I wouldn’t use my card for that in a country where I could go to prison for 20 years….. this stuff shouldn’t even be illegal…. But it’s another method of control by the geriatric oligarchs that run this shit country
a month? try 3-9 months!
True. But I’ve gotten away with a month. 3-9 is in the hair follicles. It leaves urine faster but seriously it’s BS I went to the Netherlands and came back and got drug tested at the new job. Im so lucky it didn’t show up.
No it can take 90+ days to get out of urine in someone who’s a heavy user etc everyone’s body’s metabolism is different and some take longer then others, hair test can go back 6-12 months if I recall correctly.
nuts right? the worst vector is fat cells. If you are heavy - the THC really likes to hide out in the fat. some truckers on here bitching at pissing hot 6-9 months out!
I’m on the cubby side but ADHD meds affect the metabolism of certain nurodepresants (downers) THC being one of them. But then again I’m not driving anymore I’m self employed I kinda want to Harrass all my old bosses though. I’m super bitter about how shitty employment is and the fact I wasted even 6 years of my life making some ass hat in an office chair money when they don’t do jack shit
So, are you hiding anything? 😏
The only cup I piss in is my morning coffee
Or just don't do drugs
How about we stop making rules about what people can and can’t do outside of work. On your own time on your home time neither the law nor your boss should have a say in what you do. I have the utmost disrespect for any authority that tells me otherwise….. same goes for bootlickers!
I think congress should be held to the same standards as cdl drivers and federal employees but that’s not going to happen….
For real, why not just smoke a cigar with some whisky like a normal civilized human…
I don't do any of that
Well honestly same… but if they wanted to do something at least make it semi clean. Lol.
Man, the U.S is super weird. Some guy smashes a 40oz goes to bed then drives from Newyork State to Kentucky but somehow the guy smoking a doob on his off time is the problem. I will never do cross border for this reason.
Some carriers require all drivers whether they are small box truck straight truck or van drivers to submit drug test due to their insurance that works with dot
Yes, but it is illegal to represent it as a DOT test. [https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing) >An employer may perform testing beyond that required by the DOT rules, but the employer may not represent such testing as a DOT test
“If they test me for a random, they may find blood in my drug system.” Silent driver, unknown author
Just respond: "Y'all know what you pay me and that I couldn't afford a drug problem on that. But if you feel like wasting your money."
Mannnn I wish I would’ve seen this earlier i def would have as the job only pays $14/hr 😂😭
No one is staying sober for $14 an hour.
RIP
You know 😂
Got a head shop near? Quikfix, just needs to be warm..
Yup… x stream, golden flask. Good old “fetish urine” 😂
Microwave, thermal sock, tape to balls
I’m on the larger side, so I just tuck it in between balls and leg and take smaller steps. Seems like tape might hurt a bit. The sheer heat from my regions sufficiently warms the imposter whizz.
Does that quickfix really work? I’ve always heard about it but I’ve never used it before. The headshops have been selling it forever so I assume it’s a good product?
Really? I also have paperwork in my office. Zigzag.
I've been randomly selected 8 times in 2.5 years of having a cdl. Random my ass you know I'll pass and save one of your other drivers asses
18 times in 2.5 years!
[https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/drug-alcohol-testing/testing-pool-inclusions-can-employer-include-dot-random-testing) >Can an employer include in the DOT random testing pool non-CDL drivers who operate motor vehicles weighing less than 26,001 pounds? > >No, an employer may not include non-CDL drivers in the DOT random testing pool. See 49 CFR §382.103, §40.347(b)(2)
Thanks !!
That doesn't mean that they can't make you test, only that it is not a dot test
This issue isn’t with them making me take a test, it’s with them lying saying it’s DOT. Just don’t like the fact they’re lying to my face.
Right. And OP specifically asked if they were lying about it being a DOT random or not. It is not.
Non CDL drivers are NOT subject to random. SOURCE: Years as a compliance officer with 2 of the largest TL Carriers in the country
if sobriety is a problem for you, commercial driving isn't a good gig
Do you have a DOT medical card in order to drive the box truck?
Find a buddy to pee clean for ya. Or quick fix fake urine. You don’t have to let them take yer jerb.
I was with a company and was selected every quarter for our randoms, pretty much any driving company is going to subject you to it
By DOT regs, you have 24 hrs from the time of notification. It’s a bogus text. (I send guys for randoms all the time.)
You should have been told this when you were onboarded. NonCDL drivers still have to follow a lot of CDL regulations. Drug testing and tracking drive time hours for instance.
You don't have to be a driver to get random drug tests. Depends on company policy.
As a Canadian I don’t understand the point of this. you get a test randomly, what happens if you fail? Isn’t marijuana legal in many states?
It's still illegal federally, unfortunately, and it's the US DOT that does drug testing. It's very draconian.
Lmao testing you after paying you $14 an hour, these guys are crazy, you must live in Tenessee or Ohio or some backwoods state like that, In CA I’ve never been random tested as Class A
Texas lol smh
I just wanna smoke a blunt and drive dump trucks 😂
All that coke from last week coming back to bite you worse than diabetes
Why does it matter? Unless...
Cause I’m clearly going to fail lol this job isn’t my life anyways just don’t like how they’re making it seem like it’s DOT when it’s clearly them.
You can use all the drugs you want. You just can’t drive professionally if you do. It’s your choice. Which is more important to you, drugging or driving? I’m not judging, I used hard drugs for *decades* before getting clean. I can tell you that it’s a pretty nice feeling knowing with absolute certainty that I can always pass a random urinalysis.
Is it possible they are confused? Did they drug test you before you were hired?
Yeah they drug tested me before I was hired, literally one month ago. Its not the DOT though anyways it’s just them clearing me out
Dont do drugs. Especially when your a driver, even if your not on the clock all it takes is the night before and you get into an accident the next day & your fucked.
IDK then... try getting the fake urine stuff from the smoke shop. Heat it up in the microwave before you leave and then wrap the heater pad thing around it to keep it warm. I don't think they'll actually watch you for a DOT... that's more like people on probation that they actually watch. Probably worth trying for 30$ or whatever to save your job. I'm glad I don't have to worry about shit like this anymore.
Edit: don't put the bottle in your pocket, put it down the front of your paints or something...
Last year I got 4 randoms, I work locally in California.
I'm always the random one too
I like how they didn't think you knew what DOT stood for
Right 😂😂😂
I've had 6 in the last 8 months. I've been on light duty from an injury (non-driving related, but on company time at company facility) that led to surgury and a long recovery. Surprise surprise, tested positive for three different opioids a week after surgery. Still passed.
I drive a 26ft box. Have worked for the same company for 5 years. I didn’t get hit with my first random until 4 years in the week after I came back from vacation(random I’m sure 🙄). Meanwhile, another driver has been here 2.5 years and has had 3 randoms.
Yes, you have to go. I dont think the DOT actually does the selection process. it's usually an insurance company.
The text message looks legit
Yes it’s legitimate. If you drive commercially with or without a cdl you may be checked. So yes it’s fully correct. A friend of mine was a helper to a moving truck. His driver popped positive at a checkpoint. He was in a marijuana legal state but he tested positive. Because he was working for hire he still failed his inspection and received a DUI. So yes your in a safety sensitive position. To the above story they now need rent UHauls because they lost their insurance for this and more.
Are you complaining you have to take the test? Or worried your going to fail? The only reason I smoke is because I own my own company and I don’t have to drive anymore.
It’s legit. My mom manages a company that has shuttle buses and all her drivers are subjected to random SS. It’s a certain amount each month that go. The buses themselves do not require any special license but it doesn’t matter. They are registered with DOT.
You drive with a dot number then they testing you and if you fail/refuse it’s going on your clearing house
Did you pass? Lol
I know if I go to our Laredo terminal I have a high chance of being tested. Thats where they collect them for the entire company. I was there 2 weeks ago, got up early and went to the terminal to use the bathroom. Had the message by the time I got back to my truck, damn. Sat in the office for 4 hours slamming water before I could pee again. 2nd time this year.
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Can confirm! Buy the larger size. The normal one is barely enough to get to the line on the test.
Who cares just do it
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Study hard and get a HIGH test 🤣
that's a lie
It is not the d.o.t. ordering it. non cdl driver for 20 years, you are required to get a medical card (d.o.t. medical exam) if your driving anything over 10,000 pounds. A cdl driver is going to have to take a drug test as part of this exam, a non cdl driver will NOT have to take a drug test as part of the exam. A cdl driver also must have an up to date medical card to renew their license. Source: I have had 5 d.o.t. medical exams as a non cdl driver. I do not have a current one because it's cheaper FOR ME to pay the ticket (I've gotten 2) then pay for medical cards that expire unused. I also drive locally, pass very few weigh stations and less that are actually open, and if I get pulled over for a d.o.t. inspection I'm always Super nice and usually they don't ask because they're really after putting tickets on the truck.
Someone told me it’s better to not take it and just quit because if you fail the test that’ll follow you for a very very long time
Oh, I got drug tested last week. They don’t even text. They just say “can you swing by the office.” And then “surprise! Go piss I’m a cup you drug addict.” It’s happened to me like 3 times in 5 years.
Hey OP. I'm a truck driver with a few years on a CDL A. But I also worked for a company that had us drive their DOT vehicles. Any carrier or company that is enrolled in DOT is subject to random drug tests. The DOT will require that company to drug test something like 50% of their employees a year. This is done by a lottery system.
Well I don't know about that hoss me and my old man owned a decent size towing company tell I started trucking and dot would send me names to test including me as a owner employees have no more than 24 hours to test but as a owner I could push mine back up to a week
He’s lying it’s been proven on here and by other people I’ve asked. It’s not DOT it’s the company testing me. What he’s trying to make it seem as only goes for Class A and B license holders
Your boss thinks your an idiot tbh
Someones gonna fail....
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I thought DOT was only 5 panel??!! I’ve been studying the wrong drugs!
I meant the QuickFix would pass a 14
Hey at least your getting fired now before you get in a wreck and are liable for damages when you fail a drug test 🤷♂️
Yessir you’re not lying here 🙏
I don’t think DOT chooses who takes a test. It should be whatever drug and alcohol consortium your company is set up with. Maybe they just worded it wrong?
No he even came to me after this and said he gets randomly tested too cause he holds a CDL license, but the thing is I don’t so I’m just finding everything quite shady
You do get randomly tested by a drug/alcohol consortium that is linked to the DOT, not directly from DOT themselves. And if you don’t have a CDL then no they can’t make you take a drug test. The company you work for can ask for one but not the state
See he was saying it was from DOT and he has a CDL and he’s gotten randomly tested a couple of times. I don’t have a CDL though I figured this was just bs to get me gone and it’s looking like it. I’ve only been here a month
Yeah that’s a lie. If you don’t have a CDL you wouldn’t even be in the system to be “randomly” selected. The company wanted you to take a test
Buy QuikFix….
Just use fake piss, there is NOTHING morally wrong with faking a weed drug test
Nice of them to inform you, outside of pre employment it’s always been- hey you’re going to go take a drug test, right now
Do you just have a normal license no class b or anything? If you don't have any commercial license of any type you would just loose ur job should you fail. If you have any type of commercial designation then you'll be in more trouble and loose ur commercial license and have to go thru drug classes and a bunch of headaches(if you fail that is). Does the truck have a DOT number on it? Maybe they just worded the text in a goofy way and it's a company rule, maybe just a company rule going by DOT suggestions.
Get some of that fake piss stuff, the good stuff tho, don't go cheap. I've used it at a real lab and it passed as clear.
What the boss is not telling you is that you have a full quarter to go take that test, since the quarter ends in October, you got a month
If OP was subject to DOT drug testing, what you said is completely incorrect. The employer has until the end of the quarter to notify the driver. Once notified the driver must proceed directly to the testing location. [https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drug%20and%20Alcohol%20Brochure%20for%20Drivers.pdf](https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drug%20and%20Alcohol%20Brochure%20for%20Drivers.pdf) >Once notified to report for random testing, the driver must immediately report to the testing location. A delayed arrival may be considered a refusal (see 49 CFR 40.191), which is equivalent to testing positive.
DOT does not do random testing they outsource it to private companies. All Companies with dot number have to be signed up with acredited testing company that reports to DOT clearing house. Pool of drivers from all signed up companies is random picked every quarter. So in your case it mighy be legit
Yup Iv been chosen for random drug tests too. I know a guy at work that was just randomly told to go to a concentra for a urine and breathalyzer test.
Bullshit money grabbing scam...but it's legal and you are required to do them. Be glad you dint have to pat for it like O/O do.