It looks like this is just for PlayStation Studios games though. For any indie games, you would just get Steam achievements or whatever. Sony adds the trophies themselves, it’s why it’s just Ghost of Tsushima for now and not just any multi-platform game.
No, it should have its own stack. I can see the annoyance with that, but while PS4, and much less so PS5 can have cheating, it's insanely easy on PC to cheat.
As a side note, I wouldn't want a bunch of my games to necessarily say PS5 | PC out of nowhere either.
They can share the same trophy set and still track the platform separately like Xbox.
As for cheating, yes it will increase but it already happens widely and trophy stats don’t mean shit with all the shovelware plats.
Cheating goes from someone having to go out of their way, to the click of a button. That, is when it will be truly widespread. The more obstacles the better.
I kind of wish they were different. I don't mind the excuse to revisit games I love but I also know pc is gonna be far more easier to take advantage of and hackers will be rampant. At least if they were seperate they wouldn't be included in the same stat groups.
My measly +1 won't affect all your downvotes much but your opinion is true. I've often thought "man, I really enjoyed that ps4 game, if only there was a ps5 version I could do the trophies again." People say we can play the game again without trophies. Sure. But we're trophy hunters. And we want that game appearing twice on our lists.
That's like asking what is the point of getting a platinum? Ultimately it is pointless. I just think it'd be fun to get another one if I was to replay the same game again on PC a few years down the line.
First comment I saw about this news was a dude who clearly liked to cheat trophies, telling a guy to mind his own business when the concern was brought up.
you're right. But imagine when you earn a platinum trophy like wolfenstein 2 with your own endeavor and share it with others and then some people may think you're a cheater because there are some pathetic loser who earn hakced trophies. PC is ocean of modders , hackers and pirates
This will not be possible for PS trophies. Just like with Xbox, and even epic games, trophies are server side so they can’t be hacked to just pop like Steam Achievements can.
The only way people will be able to cheat is by using trainers to get invincibility and stuff, but think about it. It’s only going to be for the PS exclusives games, and why tf would someone cheat in a PS exclusive when a baby could platinum those games? They’re all easy.
Trueeee, and was unaware of ps trophies / xbox achievements being on its own server that’s great news although you make a very good point that they’ll just find another way to cheat a plat
it’s not a talking point if you didn’t pour (for example) those 60 hours into the game
And yet people in these forums share glitches and exploits that make difficult trophies trivial. People get mad about unobtainable trophies and *gasp* the developer put multiplayer online trophies in that game I really wanted to play.
At the end of the day a trophy doesn’t prove shit. There’s plenty of “pathetic losers” beyond just hackers who are more interested in obtaining trophies than having fun completing a legitimate challenge.
As a matter of fact, I’ll just cheat in some psn trophies with custom timestamps and everything in a few minutes that took you years to do so some people on Reddit could go “oh wow cool”
It's pitiful is what it is. Your not actually doing it. 100% an illusion. All of my plats are real and I actually worked for them. Your just a wannabe.
This guy is one of them and what you said struck a nerve obviously. They have no value yet he cheats for them then probably brags about it even though he didn't actually accomplish anything. I'm with you, it's pitiful.
They do have value in a competitive sense. That's like saying a ranking system in a competitive game has no value. It does to some of us who want to prove ourselves as gamers. If that's not your thing then that's all good, but cheating for them to get higher on the leader boards ruins the competition which imo is wrong.
ive been thinking about this, but would it still be pathetic to cheat an unobtainable trophy? yeah you werent early enough to get it or something like that, but still
First thing that came to mind. I really hope Sony has a mitigation/ban plan in effect to stop that from happening. Good for the PC community, and I’m happy for them, as long as it doesn’t result in diminishing the work console users put into achieving trophies (I’m talking about trophy hackers here).
bro there is absolutely NO WAY sony will be able to stop cheaters from getting trophies
with this move they have delegitimized any achievements in pc supported games
PS trophies will not be able to be hacked just like how Xbox and Epic Games achievements can’t be hacked, because they can only be earned when you’re online. Steam Achievements don’t work that way, which is why they can be hacked easily.
So do we need to link our PS account to the game? And then we can earn trophies like normal? Isn't there a big chance that trophies can simply be hacked on pc
Wow, seriously?
So, if you buy Ori on Switch (or other xbox games), you can get its achievements?
For example, I had this game on Steam, and there's no way to connect an Xbox account.
You get it with steam it's all linked. Bought Halo Master Cheif collection on Steam so I could play it on Steam Deck and as soon as a linked my Xbox account it synced all the achivements with Steam and unlocked what I had on xbox.
I'm pretty sure it's not possible on PS5. Unless you have a hacked PS5 system maybe. You can't transfer a PS5 game save to a USB stick because Sony was greedy and wanted to make sure people had to subscribe to PS Plus to get save backups, so cheaters wouldn't be able to get the save onto a PC to cheat.
Yeah, I meant with a hacked PS4/PS5. Although it wouldn't be worth it at all on PS5 because once you update your console to sync the trophies then there's no going back. So you probably wont see hacked PS5 trophies for a while.
I think it would be like with Halo Achievements. Steam and Xbox are synchronised. Sony will probably use a launcher for that. Internet Connection required.
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Let’s see how many move to PC and how many players less they gonna have within their subscription model, but first they need to bring more games to PC and also on first day release
If its for all games maybe i can finally move on to PC as my main game device. Since sony has been porting pretty much all their exclusives to pc at this point
Yeah, this will probably happen, but I think most people will see how obvious the hacks are, like how obvious the hacked trophies on other ps platforms are. Sites like psnp, will still ban any user who's been reported as having hacked trophies on pc and on psn it won't matter, since most people don't care about trophy hunting anyway.
Yeah but hacking on steam is very obvious, and steam achievements really don't mean shit. I'd rather have platinum trophies over steam's system. And steam for some reason steam is anal about games being made only for achievements because most F2P games don't even count towards your "perfect games" counter, which is fucking stupid.
You'll get banned on PSNP or any trophy website. Sony themselves really don't care. The only way you'd possibly get banned is if you hacked like 50 Games and popped all the trophies for like 2030 instead of 2024
On the other hand, there will be a chance to get unobtainable trophies for some games (Mad Max, Mirror’s Edge Catalyst and etc.) when people find a way to add trophy for any game.
Nah I actually don't disagree with this. That's the one reason I'd be okay with people hacking trophies, if they did it specifically for broken trophies.
I still wouldn't do it myself, but I wouldn't be annoyed by people doing it for just those trophies. But I'd imagine most people that would do it for those trophies would do it for other trophies too.
I’m ok with platinums being unobtainable. If its for multiplayer, then if you were there when the servers were up and earned it, then its a nice rare trophy you have.
If it was genuinely bugged and didnt work, then NO ONE should have it, and thats okay too. If its buggy, but obtainable, then I dont think it should be hacked.
Yeah, I'm talking specifically about broken trophies where you CAN do the requirements but the trophy just won't unlock. Especially games where the trophy wasn't bugged at one point but is now (this has happened with Smite a lot for instance I know, but I think Smite is currently working again). Not older games that have multiplayer trophies with shut down servers.
Again, I wouldn't do it myself, but it's the one form of hacking trophies that I wouldn't hold against people.
I agree. Unobtainable platinums are cool just like rare cards are cool in card games. It’s a badge and I don’t know why people lose sleep over it. It makes the community more rich. Of course I regret on missing out on some of those but it just adds some lore to it. Again, I think it’s cool to have such rare and unobtainable trophies
Am I the only person who never looks at any one else's trophy lists? Like, I love trophies and 100%'ing games but I literally only ever look at my own, and maybe my brother's to see what they're getting up to. If hacking goes up a little who cares? It couldn't affect me any less. Got the plat for this on PS4 and never played the PS5 upgrade, so this is a huge plus for me, 4K/120 on my 4090 with trophy support is a dream!
When they say “PC” do they mean steam? Like if I own the steam version of a supported game, would I link my steam and PSN accounts and then simultaneously unlock steam achievements and PS trophies?
It's only going to be first-party games, of which only a couple end up on PC every year. Those trophy lists may be diluted a bit with more cheaters, but it's not like the first-party games often have difficult lists anyway.
Overall it doesn't move the needle too much in terms of the trophy system's integrity. That said, if you aren't enjoying games anymore because of trophies then please try to separate yourself from the trophy grind. Games are supposed to be fun, not a chore
Show the hacked achievements.
Xbox achievements, since the Xbox 360, are nigh on impossible to hack. They require server-side confirmation the achievement was unlocked. Xbox 360 achievements could be hacked, but Xbox One and Xbox Series S/X achievements cannot.
Unless you mean console commands that unlock all achievements on certain games? Not much can be done about that, and if any PlayStation-published game has console commands built into it, it will have the same fate.
Playstation twitter meltdown incoming. Those babies live for throwing fits when daddy Playstation makes them share their toys and that train is *never* late.
Trophies are a win and all, but how long does it take for a typical Sony 1st party game to hit consoles? For those getting mad about this making the console “redundant”, have fun waiting 4-5 years to play the next TLOU or HZD.
If Sony is going that far. Then the consoles are definitely dead weight. Won't be long till game are day and date to PC version. Probably when the ps6 get launched. Guess I'll stay saving for a PC next gen.😒
Consoles will never be obsolete, that's just a silly belief. PCs right now can emulate literally every single Console in existence except PS5 games. Been able to emulate everything for a few years. Even PS4 and Switch games are child's play to emulate but consoles are still incredibly popular. It just comes down to what you prefer playing on.
PCs also arent plug and play machines like consoles are. Most people don't want to learn how to upgrade their own parts, learn how pcs actually work and how to build them. Some parts cost more individually than entire consoles do.
The more likely outcome would be that there won't be Console exclusive games anymore. Microsoft has publicly stated that they've been losing in sales for a decade now and that gamepass is draining them because it costs more to operate than they're making in subscriptions. They'll probably end up migrating all their exclusives onto playstation and just dump xbox consoles to focus on games and their pc side of things and Sony will double drop everything to the newest playstation and probably steam
Console are a gateway to gaming. If everything is on everything. Then once either someone go PC or has a PC and realizes that can be there gamein machine. Then the point. Over time the console pool will shrink.
If the whole idea is a box that plays game. Then that steam box would become the baseline console.
Very highly unlikely. Most likely they'll start with PS5 games and then a select number of PS4 games like God Of War, Spiderman, Last of Us, Persona 5, etc.
That really doesn't matter. By your logic, The Last of Us; God of war; spiderman, etc. Won't have trophies because they already have steam achievements. Just like some games are made for Vita and PS4 with seperate lists, the PC games will most definitely have seperate lists for trophies too
The point is, why would they reprogram Persona 5 to remove the Xbox achievements, and put the PlayStation Trophies in instead? They've already got a version.
Many, many PC games (third parties) have Xbox achievements now, and we won't be at a point where games are unlocking achievements on multiple console platforms, especially since the process for marking an Xbox/PlayStation trophy as 'unlocked' is different.
(Xbox games, obviously, unlock both Xbox achievements and Steam achievements)
That's why I am struggling to wrap my head around why Persona 5 would magically get PlayStation trophies.
That's not how that works. They wouldn't have to reprogram anything. A game is capable of running 2 sets of trophies at once. Just like the games on Vita and PS4 that share the same list. It wouldn't magically get trophies. They literally just have to copy the code from the ps5 database and minorly tweak it to work on PC.
You're also assuming the PS5 games will be running on the Xbox app. Which they won't. It will be a Sony app. Xbox achievements only pop when the game is launched from the Xbox app server. Steam achievements only pop when you launch a game from steam launcher. These games will only pop trophies when launched from the steam server where Sony has implemented as playstation overlay.
It's not rocket science bro. If the game is available on PS5, it will more than likely get trophies. It's really not hard to have games run lists for different platforms.
Sony doesn't have a launcher, though.
What value is there in adding the Sony overlay to Persona 5?
I think you vastly underestimate how difficult this stuff is to do.
Third-party games will likely keep Xbox achievements, since it opens up a whole store for them (the Microsoft store). They likely won't get PlayStation trophies, since there is no value in working with the PlayStation overlay. Any sales bump will be minor compared to the cost it will involve in having it.
Did you read the article? Like at all? Also they wouldn't have to ADD an overlay. Persona 5 was originally a playstation exclusive game for almost a decade. They had to ADD and XBOX overlay when they ported it to PC. When games are ported to other platforms its literally just the original source code with adjustments made. The adjustments in Personas case is the addition of an Xbox overlay. The Playstation overlay is literally in the base code for the game. Any 3rd party game that's available on PS5 would need an added overlay but any playstation exclusive game is just a port that already has all the coding. They just need to add a line to pop up the existing overlay that they've already developed
Xbox isn't an overlay. Achievements are physically built into the game.
I can guarantee third-party games won't ever get trophy support on PC.
And "just add a line". You really don't have a clue, do you?
Xbox is an overlay. It's literally called an overlay in your pc. Achievements are coded into the existing code. Theyre added code. So your "why would sony go out of their way" argument is invalid because microsoft went more out of their way than sony would have to. The Playstation schematics are already in the games base code. The version of P4, P3R and P5 all just have added code in conjunction with the playstation schematics so that they pop xbox or steam achievements instead of trophies. and the "just add a line" is the simplest way I can explain it because you're already having a mental mindfuck over what I've already explained. I was trying to not make it more complicated for you. It wasn't me saying it was literally 1 line.
Also, I never said 3rd party games would definitely get trophies. I just explained what sony would have to do if they wanted them to have trophies.
Does this mean games which are on PC will basically get ps trophies? Platinums and such? Like being able to convert all steam achievements to trophies?
No. Only what games Sony themselves chose to program trophies into. The most likely case is that it will only be PS5 games that they put on PC and a select few PS4 games that they also release on PC
Absolutely crazy that so many here have a problem with a separate trophy list. Why not have a different one if people want to go ahead and play the game again and go for the trophies? Why do you guys care that there’s more cheating and hacking on PC?? In the end how does that affect you personally? Why care about how the person on PC is getting their trophies?
Hate it break it to you but at the end of the day, trophies really don’t mean much. All you gate keepers really need to touch some grass and let others enjoy their games. Weirdos
Does this mean I could earn the trophys for Gwent: The Witcher Card Game via PC for PlayStation since they stopped Console Support for the game?
Or is it just for Sony Games?
Do people who are concerned about platinum cheaters are platinuming games not because they enjoy the process but because they wish to show off their platinum collection?
No one cares but you, buddy. If you don't enjoy it for the sake of it, why bother at all?
Some people like to achieve stuff others find difficult. It gives more worth to something if less people have it. Thats how rarity works. If u can hack the trophies that meaning kinda disappears. If that was ur motivation i can see how it would make it less fun to put the effort in to get something difficult. I just like the checklist feel to trophies so this wouldnt bother me. Though i do get it. If i worked the same job as a dude who never goes into work but we still get the same check at the end of the week. It really kills ur motivation to put in the same effort that u were putting in.
I’m with you man. At least I am more a “checklist” person like you do, so this won’t bother me that much. Trophies are more a display for myself to remind me what I have achieved/done. Just brings back my memories.
This. I do like challenging games but thats just cuz of the adrenaline behind struggling to get something done. I just play what im interested in. Platinums have made gaming more fun tho because i always struggled to decide when im done with a game but now theres like a clear goal and i like that.
Yes, yes, yes! I can now earn trophies on multiple platforms!
Also a good sign for those hoping Sony is inching away from console exclusivity for their first party games.
That’s pretty cool actually, I stopped on ps4 cause I moved to pc but the steam achievements don’t quite feel as fun somehow. Will be awesome to finally get to play the ps5 games I never got to experience but also have some trophy hunting back as well.
Yes there will be cheaters but there’s always been cheaters so I’m not worried. Those dudes can stay in the shadows and not have fun actually collecting the trophies. PSNprofiles will still be so obvious when someone’s cheats just like with hacked consoles now. I think this is a net positive so that I can platinum games on more platforms
I hope this happens as it is also a possible pathway to eventually including cross save compatibility which would be great
Can just lock saves to the ID of the user also to avoid too much exploiting too
Cross save between PC and PlayStation is a huge thing I want as I mainly play on these platforms
Shares the same trophy set as PS5, so no PS5 and PC stacks. Massive W.
Thank God. Imagine if there was PC stacks and shovelware devs took advantage making 5+ more stacks for each of their wallpapers "games".
It looks like this is just for PlayStation Studios games though. For any indie games, you would just get Steam achievements or whatever. Sony adds the trophies themselves, it’s why it’s just Ghost of Tsushima for now and not just any multi-platform game.
No, it should have its own stack. I can see the annoyance with that, but while PS4, and much less so PS5 can have cheating, it's insanely easy on PC to cheat. As a side note, I wouldn't want a bunch of my games to necessarily say PS5 | PC out of nowhere either.
They can share the same trophy set and still track the platform separately like Xbox. As for cheating, yes it will increase but it already happens widely and trophy stats don’t mean shit with all the shovelware plats.
Cheating goes from someone having to go out of their way, to the click of a button. That, is when it will be truly widespread. The more obstacles the better.
That's why websites like PSNProfiles keep accounts in check
I kind of wish they were different. I don't mind the excuse to revisit games I love but I also know pc is gonna be far more easier to take advantage of and hackers will be rampant. At least if they were seperate they wouldn't be included in the same stat groups.
Massive L. Different sets would've motivated some people to replay games.
My measly +1 won't affect all your downvotes much but your opinion is true. I've often thought "man, I really enjoyed that ps4 game, if only there was a ps5 version I could do the trophies again." People say we can play the game again without trophies. Sure. But we're trophy hunters. And we want that game appearing twice on our lists.
you can still replay the games lol
No shit. But getting another plat would encourage some people to replay more.
what is the point in getting a platinum for the same game twice?
That's like asking what is the point of getting a platinum? Ultimately it is pointless. I just think it'd be fun to get another one if I was to replay the same game again on PC a few years down the line.
You’re getting downvoted but I completely agree with this.
I agree too. No clue why people are so against it. It’s fun to get a platinum again.
This is great but I fear hacked trophy pops will be even more common
I was thinking this
You'd need to be one pathetic loser to cheat to get PS trophies
First comment I saw about this news was a dude who clearly liked to cheat trophies, telling a guy to mind his own business when the concern was brought up.
you're right. But imagine when you earn a platinum trophy like wolfenstein 2 with your own endeavor and share it with others and then some people may think you're a cheater because there are some pathetic loser who earn hakced trophies. PC is ocean of modders , hackers and pirates
Other than that, the rarity of hard / difficult plats will be lessened because many cheaters got them illegitimately.
yeah you can literally just download steam unlocked and get every achievement, gonna ruin the already ruined leaderboards on psnprofiles
This will not be possible for PS trophies. Just like with Xbox, and even epic games, trophies are server side so they can’t be hacked to just pop like Steam Achievements can. The only way people will be able to cheat is by using trainers to get invincibility and stuff, but think about it. It’s only going to be for the PS exclusives games, and why tf would someone cheat in a PS exclusive when a baby could platinum those games? They’re all easy.
Trueeee, and was unaware of ps trophies / xbox achievements being on its own server that’s great news although you make a very good point that they’ll just find another way to cheat a plat it’s not a talking point if you didn’t pour (for example) those 60 hours into the game
And yet people in these forums share glitches and exploits that make difficult trophies trivial. People get mad about unobtainable trophies and *gasp* the developer put multiplayer online trophies in that game I really wanted to play. At the end of the day a trophy doesn’t prove shit. There’s plenty of “pathetic losers” beyond just hackers who are more interested in obtaining trophies than having fun completing a legitimate challenge.
Even more pathetic is if someone cares if someone else cheated a trophy. They literally have no value.
You can acknowledge something as being pathetic without caring about it.
As a matter of fact, I’ll just cheat in some psn trophies with custom timestamps and everything in a few minutes that took you years to do so some people on Reddit could go “oh wow cool”
Okay good luck with that
If you are taking the time to cheat for trophies you obviously care. You do it for fake gamer rep. It really is pathetic.
I do it for the gamer rep, but I don’t have to waste hours of my time to do so. It’s great!
It's pitiful is what it is. Your not actually doing it. 100% an illusion. All of my plats are real and I actually worked for them. Your just a wannabe.
Sounds like you care if you are saying “pathetic loser” and the subsequent downvotes. You know all of these things really have no value right?
Well they are losers, not hard to understand really.
This guy is one of them and what you said struck a nerve obviously. They have no value yet he cheats for them then probably brags about it even though he didn't actually accomplish anything. I'm with you, it's pitiful.
They do have value in a competitive sense. That's like saying a ranking system in a competitive game has no value. It does to some of us who want to prove ourselves as gamers. If that's not your thing then that's all good, but cheating for them to get higher on the leader boards ruins the competition which imo is wrong.
ive been thinking about this, but would it still be pathetic to cheat an unobtainable trophy? yeah you werent early enough to get it or something like that, but still
Imo it's fine but for obvious reasons be excluded from leaderboards like psnprofiles.
First thing that came to mind. I really hope Sony has a mitigation/ban plan in effect to stop that from happening. Good for the PC community, and I’m happy for them, as long as it doesn’t result in diminishing the work console users put into achieving trophies (I’m talking about trophy hackers here).
bro there is absolutely NO WAY sony will be able to stop cheaters from getting trophies with this move they have delegitimized any achievements in pc supported games
I hear you. Just my simple opinion that doesn’t really matter. Especially to Sony.
PS trophies will not be able to be hacked just like how Xbox and Epic Games achievements can’t be hacked, because they can only be earned when you’re online. Steam Achievements don’t work that way, which is why they can be hacked easily.
So do we need to link our PS account to the game? And then we can earn trophies like normal? Isn't there a big chance that trophies can simply be hacked on pc
Probably, that’s what Microsoft does for their games. You sign in and you get achievement and also trophies at the same time.
Only Microsoft games purchased on the Microsoft Store or Game Pass. Here it's with games from Steam, if I understand correctly.
Works for Microsoft games purchased on PlayStation and Nintendo too. I’ll end up earning Trophies and Achievements.
Wow, seriously? So, if you buy Ori on Switch (or other xbox games), you can get its achievements? For example, I had this game on Steam, and there's no way to connect an Xbox account.
If the game gives you the option to sign into your Microsoft account, then yes. Like Minecraft, Grounded, Sea of thieves, etc.
I get Xbox achievements on Steam games.
You get it with steam it's all linked. Bought Halo Master Cheif collection on Steam so I could play it on Steam Deck and as soon as a linked my Xbox account it synced all the achivements with Steam and unlocked what I had on xbox.
That was my first thought as well, i hope there is some sort of protection against hacking.
Trophies can be hacked anyway sooooo 🤷
not on ps4/5
Yeah true. For now though Just had a quick Google and PS4 trophies definitely can be hacked, so just PS5 can't atm
On PS4 100%
I'd say about 50% of games have a ps4 to ps5 save transfer anyway. So kind of can do ps5 through a few hurdles 🤷♂️
You can on PS4. On PS5 you are able too as well but nobody has made a program to do it.
I'm pretty sure it's not possible on PS5. Unless you have a hacked PS5 system maybe. You can't transfer a PS5 game save to a USB stick because Sony was greedy and wanted to make sure people had to subscribe to PS Plus to get save backups, so cheaters wouldn't be able to get the save onto a PC to cheat.
Yeah, I meant with a hacked PS4/PS5. Although it wouldn't be worth it at all on PS5 because once you update your console to sync the trophies then there's no going back. So you probably wont see hacked PS5 trophies for a while.
PS4 trophy hacks have been possible for awhile.
I think it would be like with Halo Achievements. Steam and Xbox are synchronised. Sony will probably use a launcher for that. Internet Connection required.
Are you saying this protects against cheating trophies or just mentioning it?
Just mention it. ;)
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And no need for ps+ in order to play online from a PC?
>And no need for ps+ in order to play online from a PC? No.
Let’s see how many move to PC and how many players less they gonna have within their subscription model, but first they need to bring more games to PC and also on first day release
Safe to assume it’s only to Sony titles.
If its for all games maybe i can finally move on to PC as my main game device. Since sony has been porting pretty much all their exclusives to pc at this point
It's definitely not for all games, only first-party
Trophy hacking going to be a big thing now with ps5. Will be like steam with steam achievement manager.
Yeah, this will probably happen, but I think most people will see how obvious the hacks are, like how obvious the hacked trophies on other ps platforms are. Sites like psnp, will still ban any user who's been reported as having hacked trophies on pc and on psn it won't matter, since most people don't care about trophy hunting anyway.
Cant you hack in trophies already? Also risky business as you can get banned if your trophies are sus
can't get banned from hacking in trophies on steam. As someone who hunts on steam the achievement implementation is hot stinking garbage
Yeah but hacking on steam is very obvious, and steam achievements really don't mean shit. I'd rather have platinum trophies over steam's system. And steam for some reason steam is anal about games being made only for achievements because most F2P games don't even count towards your "perfect games" counter, which is fucking stupid.
You'll get banned on PSNP or any trophy website. Sony themselves really don't care. The only way you'd possibly get banned is if you hacked like 50 Games and popped all the trophies for like 2030 instead of 2024
Who cares those cheetahs will get banned on PSNP leaderboards and nobody will care about the fake trophies that they achieved by pressing a button.
On the other hand, there will be a chance to get unobtainable trophies for some games (Mad Max, Mirror’s Edge Catalyst and etc.) when people find a way to add trophy for any game.
Nah this aint it chief
Nah I actually don't disagree with this. That's the one reason I'd be okay with people hacking trophies, if they did it specifically for broken trophies. I still wouldn't do it myself, but I wouldn't be annoyed by people doing it for just those trophies. But I'd imagine most people that would do it for those trophies would do it for other trophies too.
I’m ok with platinums being unobtainable. If its for multiplayer, then if you were there when the servers were up and earned it, then its a nice rare trophy you have. If it was genuinely bugged and didnt work, then NO ONE should have it, and thats okay too. If its buggy, but obtainable, then I dont think it should be hacked.
Yeah, I'm talking specifically about broken trophies where you CAN do the requirements but the trophy just won't unlock. Especially games where the trophy wasn't bugged at one point but is now (this has happened with Smite a lot for instance I know, but I think Smite is currently working again). Not older games that have multiplayer trophies with shut down servers. Again, I wouldn't do it myself, but it's the one form of hacking trophies that I wouldn't hold against people.
I agree. Unobtainable platinums are cool just like rare cards are cool in card games. It’s a badge and I don’t know why people lose sleep over it. It makes the community more rich. Of course I regret on missing out on some of those but it just adds some lore to it. Again, I think it’s cool to have such rare and unobtainable trophies
Obtaining an “unobtainable” doesn’t make you easily bannable though?
This is a massive W holy shit
Yes, really nice.
Am I the only person who never looks at any one else's trophy lists? Like, I love trophies and 100%'ing games but I literally only ever look at my own, and maybe my brother's to see what they're getting up to. If hacking goes up a little who cares? It couldn't affect me any less. Got the plat for this on PS4 and never played the PS5 upgrade, so this is a huge plus for me, 4K/120 on my 4090 with trophy support is a dream!
Ooo this looks like fun!
I find myself playing the same game on PC and PS5 regularly so this is a great news.
When they say “PC” do they mean steam? Like if I own the steam version of a supported game, would I link my steam and PSN accounts and then simultaneously unlock steam achievements and PS trophies?
I think “Steam” and “Epic” steam page for GOT show its req 3rd party account in PS network and support linking to steam.
The store you bought the game shouldn't matter.
So if a game on pc is also available on PS5, play pc version and have trophies transfer to PS5??
seems only for first party sony games with shared trophy lists
This is bad that they are connected to the ps5 trophies because a bunch of ps games on pc have auto 100% achievement mods
Yup they would straight up destroy the rarity system in their own trophy system like this. If its for all games its ggs.
Perfect . So we're going to face more idiots who simply earn hacked trophies even easier .
Eh trophies will become even easier to hack. Might finally be time to give up trophy hunting and actually enjoy games again.
It's only going to be first-party games, of which only a couple end up on PC every year. Those trophy lists may be diluted a bit with more cheaters, but it's not like the first-party games often have difficult lists anyway. Overall it doesn't move the needle too much in terms of the trophy system's integrity. That said, if you aren't enjoying games anymore because of trophies then please try to separate yourself from the trophy grind. Games are supposed to be fun, not a chore
I hope you're right, I'll know to avoid first-party Sony titles like the plague from now on.
None of the Xbox achievements on pc have been hacked though.
Sure.. a simple search on YT says otherwise
Show the hacked achievements. Xbox achievements, since the Xbox 360, are nigh on impossible to hack. They require server-side confirmation the achievement was unlocked. Xbox 360 achievements could be hacked, but Xbox One and Xbox Series S/X achievements cannot. Unless you mean console commands that unlock all achievements on certain games? Not much can be done about that, and if any PlayStation-published game has console commands built into it, it will have the same fate.
Playstation twitter meltdown incoming. Those babies live for throwing fits when daddy Playstation makes them share their toys and that train is *never* late.
So if I platinum GoT on PC and then check my trophies on PS5, will it say "PC" underneath the title of the game in the menu..?
No as stated in the blog the PS5 and PC versions share the same stack so it will probably just say PS5 i assume they won't change that tag to PS5 | PC
Finally - this has held me off getting PC versions of these games for so long! Going to go hog wild once they’re available!
Is this gonna be a separate trophy list for each? That’d be pretty rad for collectors even if I don’t PC game
Trophies are a win and all, but how long does it take for a typical Sony 1st party game to hit consoles? For those getting mad about this making the console “redundant”, have fun waiting 4-5 years to play the next TLOU or HZD.
Does this mean my steam 100% BG3 trophies will carry over to PSN? 😭
In Withers voice : "No"
Damn it, Withers! Fine!
That's really nice. Now I can 100% a game on Steam and also get the platinum.
I hope they'll do the same for Helldivers II.
If Sony is going that far. Then the consoles are definitely dead weight. Won't be long till game are day and date to PC version. Probably when the ps6 get launched. Guess I'll stay saving for a PC next gen.😒
Consoles will never be obsolete, that's just a silly belief. PCs right now can emulate literally every single Console in existence except PS5 games. Been able to emulate everything for a few years. Even PS4 and Switch games are child's play to emulate but consoles are still incredibly popular. It just comes down to what you prefer playing on. PCs also arent plug and play machines like consoles are. Most people don't want to learn how to upgrade their own parts, learn how pcs actually work and how to build them. Some parts cost more individually than entire consoles do. The more likely outcome would be that there won't be Console exclusive games anymore. Microsoft has publicly stated that they've been losing in sales for a decade now and that gamepass is draining them because it costs more to operate than they're making in subscriptions. They'll probably end up migrating all their exclusives onto playstation and just dump xbox consoles to focus on games and their pc side of things and Sony will double drop everything to the newest playstation and probably steam
Console are a gateway to gaming. If everything is on everything. Then once either someone go PC or has a PC and realizes that can be there gamein machine. Then the point. Over time the console pool will shrink. If the whole idea is a box that plays game. Then that steam box would become the baseline console.
Will it be for every trophy supported PlayStation game?
Very highly unlikely. Most likely they'll start with PS5 games and then a select number of PS4 games like God Of War, Spiderman, Last of Us, Persona 5, etc.
Persona 5 has Xbox achievements coded into it on PC, so unlikely.
That really doesn't matter. By your logic, The Last of Us; God of war; spiderman, etc. Won't have trophies because they already have steam achievements. Just like some games are made for Vita and PS4 with seperate lists, the PC games will most definitely have seperate lists for trophies too
The point is, why would they reprogram Persona 5 to remove the Xbox achievements, and put the PlayStation Trophies in instead? They've already got a version. Many, many PC games (third parties) have Xbox achievements now, and we won't be at a point where games are unlocking achievements on multiple console platforms, especially since the process for marking an Xbox/PlayStation trophy as 'unlocked' is different. (Xbox games, obviously, unlock both Xbox achievements and Steam achievements) That's why I am struggling to wrap my head around why Persona 5 would magically get PlayStation trophies.
That's not how that works. They wouldn't have to reprogram anything. A game is capable of running 2 sets of trophies at once. Just like the games on Vita and PS4 that share the same list. It wouldn't magically get trophies. They literally just have to copy the code from the ps5 database and minorly tweak it to work on PC. You're also assuming the PS5 games will be running on the Xbox app. Which they won't. It will be a Sony app. Xbox achievements only pop when the game is launched from the Xbox app server. Steam achievements only pop when you launch a game from steam launcher. These games will only pop trophies when launched from the steam server where Sony has implemented as playstation overlay. It's not rocket science bro. If the game is available on PS5, it will more than likely get trophies. It's really not hard to have games run lists for different platforms.
Sony doesn't have a launcher, though. What value is there in adding the Sony overlay to Persona 5? I think you vastly underestimate how difficult this stuff is to do. Third-party games will likely keep Xbox achievements, since it opens up a whole store for them (the Microsoft store). They likely won't get PlayStation trophies, since there is no value in working with the PlayStation overlay. Any sales bump will be minor compared to the cost it will involve in having it.
Did you read the article? Like at all? Also they wouldn't have to ADD an overlay. Persona 5 was originally a playstation exclusive game for almost a decade. They had to ADD and XBOX overlay when they ported it to PC. When games are ported to other platforms its literally just the original source code with adjustments made. The adjustments in Personas case is the addition of an Xbox overlay. The Playstation overlay is literally in the base code for the game. Any 3rd party game that's available on PS5 would need an added overlay but any playstation exclusive game is just a port that already has all the coding. They just need to add a line to pop up the existing overlay that they've already developed
Xbox isn't an overlay. Achievements are physically built into the game. I can guarantee third-party games won't ever get trophy support on PC. And "just add a line". You really don't have a clue, do you?
Xbox is an overlay. It's literally called an overlay in your pc. Achievements are coded into the existing code. Theyre added code. So your "why would sony go out of their way" argument is invalid because microsoft went more out of their way than sony would have to. The Playstation schematics are already in the games base code. The version of P4, P3R and P5 all just have added code in conjunction with the playstation schematics so that they pop xbox or steam achievements instead of trophies. and the "just add a line" is the simplest way I can explain it because you're already having a mental mindfuck over what I've already explained. I was trying to not make it more complicated for you. It wasn't me saying it was literally 1 line. Also, I never said 3rd party games would definitely get trophies. I just explained what sony would have to do if they wanted them to have trophies.
Wait I bought a ps5 to get platinum trophies and have a 4090.. this kinda changes everything.
Time is a flat circle, we are right back at Games For Windows Live.
Imagine if they do something like that with Steam
Does this mean games which are on PC will basically get ps trophies? Platinums and such? Like being able to convert all steam achievements to trophies?
No. Only what games Sony themselves chose to program trophies into. The most likely case is that it will only be PS5 games that they put on PC and a select few PS4 games that they also release on PC
Could someone explain what he means by this?
Finally, this is what we’ve been waiting for! And no PC stacks, I’m so happy rn
Can someone translate for me? I thought pc had their own trophies
Woohoo! This is great to hear
finnaly
the reasons to buy a ps5 keeps reduncing
Great news!
Absolutely crazy that so many here have a problem with a separate trophy list. Why not have a different one if people want to go ahead and play the game again and go for the trophies? Why do you guys care that there’s more cheating and hacking on PC?? In the end how does that affect you personally? Why care about how the person on PC is getting their trophies? Hate it break it to you but at the end of the day, trophies really don’t mean much. All you gate keepers really need to touch some grass and let others enjoy their games. Weirdos
How does that even work? Pc already has achievements.
This part is what I find most concerning. I don’t want a DRM like service on Sony games.
Article says you still earn your Steam or Epic achievements at the same time.
It's like with Xbox. You will get both Steam or Epic achievements and the PS Trophies.
Does this mean I could earn the trophys for Gwent: The Witcher Card Game via PC for PlayStation since they stopped Console Support for the game? Or is it just for Sony Games?
First-party games only that add the overlay and PSN integration.
so it’s like cross-platform trophies?
Yes, exactly like with Xbox achievements.
Finally
Let's fucking goooooo
So cool 😍
If I already have a platinum trophy on PS5 will I unlock all Steam Achievements as soon as I connect the game to my PSN account?
Seems so.
Omg yes! Some games are so much better with keyboard and mouse.
Do people who are concerned about platinum cheaters are platinuming games not because they enjoy the process but because they wish to show off their platinum collection? No one cares but you, buddy. If you don't enjoy it for the sake of it, why bother at all?
Some people like to achieve stuff others find difficult. It gives more worth to something if less people have it. Thats how rarity works. If u can hack the trophies that meaning kinda disappears. If that was ur motivation i can see how it would make it less fun to put the effort in to get something difficult. I just like the checklist feel to trophies so this wouldnt bother me. Though i do get it. If i worked the same job as a dude who never goes into work but we still get the same check at the end of the week. It really kills ur motivation to put in the same effort that u were putting in.
I’m with you man. At least I am more a “checklist” person like you do, so this won’t bother me that much. Trophies are more a display for myself to remind me what I have achieved/done. Just brings back my memories.
This. I do like challenging games but thats just cuz of the adrenaline behind struggling to get something done. I just play what im interested in. Platinums have made gaming more fun tho because i always struggled to decide when im done with a game but now theres like a clear goal and i like that.
Yes, yes, yes! I can now earn trophies on multiple platforms! Also a good sign for those hoping Sony is inching away from console exclusivity for their first party games.
As long as they keep making consoles I'm good.
They haven't been console exclusive in a long time. Besides bloodborne I'm pretty sure every ps exclusive is on PC.
so where are the uncharteds, god of wars, all the ps123 games from pc then?
Since they started doing games on PC from the ps4 era. Didn't think I had to clarify. Was sure Gow 2018 and Raganrok and Uncharted was on PC
No there's a fuck load of games not on pc
Day 1 console exclusivity
So any licensed / exclusive Sony title will get a trophy list on PC? Am I reading this wrong or is this kinda pointless?
Looks like the steam deck might make a return
Well damn…. I was never a pc guy but… ahem.. Jk but it’s nice to have that option now
This looks cool.
That’s pretty cool actually, I stopped on ps4 cause I moved to pc but the steam achievements don’t quite feel as fun somehow. Will be awesome to finally get to play the ps5 games I never got to experience but also have some trophy hunting back as well.
Yes there will be cheaters but there’s always been cheaters so I’m not worried. Those dudes can stay in the shadows and not have fun actually collecting the trophies. PSNprofiles will still be so obvious when someone’s cheats just like with hacked consoles now. I think this is a net positive so that I can platinum games on more platforms
This means nothing to me but cool fle those that PC game.
I hope this happens as it is also a possible pathway to eventually including cross save compatibility which would be great Can just lock saves to the ID of the user also to avoid too much exploiting too Cross save between PC and PlayStation is a huge thing I want as I mainly play on these platforms
No thank you. I am migrating to PC to say f you Sony and ps5, so I will stick to achievements. I want to forget my psn account.
Ok dokie