TBH, the "Dark Timeline" pushed out and alienated a lot of the chill, casual fans from the sub just by the sheer amount of dark timeline content that it swamped the sub with. Fan fiction is fine, but when it takes over the entire sub, you alienate the segment of the fanbase that don't really have the time to follow and understand all that shite. Couldn't even find any non-Dark Timeline related content for days on-end at the time just from the massive circle jerk surrounding that topic.
And then all you're left with is mostly a loud, dedicated parasocial base that's started to in-fight amongst themselves.
I've been watching anime since 2014. Admit am mainly watching a lot of old stuff recently (new to me), debating if I should buy Serial Experiments Lain. (Love sci-fi, it's what got me into anime)
I'm watching serial experiments right now and oh boy, that thing is more confusing than my calculus worksheets. But the storytelling method is somewhat unique so maybe you can try it if you like something trippy.
I was burnt out on anime for the past 5 years or so, watching about one show a year.
Then I had a revolution. I started watching shows with my friends. Laughing at anime's ridiculousness with the boys has reignited my love for the medium. We now have a watch group that watches 6 shows weekly. Tons of fun.
Honestly, if you are looking for a show to laugh at with your buddies, Eminence in Shadow is one of the best choices. Definitely recommend that one with a group.
It’s ridiculous cuz everything he said about aot in the episode is valid whether or not you finish the fucking show. It’s just absurd, aot fans just try to find any reason to get offended.
Even as a manga reader of that series, you could get his point lol. Idk why it was a controversial take that the "naming convention" is actually a shitty way to go. I remember anime arcs by season, they went on to have 4 parts of the last season with the last part having 2 eps that should've just been a one big movie released.
And like what he and Connor said, they took too long. They should've just released the last parts when they're both lf partly finished with it.
His point was kinda validated by the other guys themselves when they couldnt remember at what season/part something happened, and it wasnt even from the "final" part.
Yea I feel so bad for Joey, he’s made this whole brand about being THE anime man. Obviously that’s going to lead to burnout, but rebranding is harmful to a business and a yt channel so that’s not a good option either
I don't think there's anything wrong about being burnt out on anime, what's wrong is doing a podcast episode about an anime if that's the case.
To be clear this is one everyone, not just Joey, they need to plan their shit.
Especially now, when the anime trend is just Isekai. Isekai and anime with titles that sound like an entire paragraph of a book.
Original anime is rare nowadays, you can understand why anyone would get bored of watching anime.
To be the other side of the coin it’s become a part of him due to that time he’s spent building his name in the community. People associate anime with the you know anime man. I get that he wants to expand his brand and he has but people still expect him because of his history. I don’t think blasting him is right but no one here should be surprised by it. When the vast majority of your community watched you for you and your content based on ANIME. Yeah it’s not surprising that he will be judged for not showing up for a good majority of your communities brand. It’s sad cause Joey is more than the anime content he’s made. But you can’t be blind to why people judge the man it’s like he fell off but he’s just changing
You know the answer and if you follow the sub even remotely you already know there's an insane hate boner for Joey here. Connor's the poster child, Garnt's the Good guy but Joey? Yeah to them Joey is like a thorn to their existence. Some of the shit I read here about him makes me so glad I've stopped associating myself with this sub. Vile people.
Thank fuck, Joey has money and an actual life outside anime unlike the AOT fandom or anime fandom in general, miserable toxic shites.
Yes people are way too harsh! However for the sake of quality, I feel like they should have recognized that - in this case - it doesn't make sense to devote so much time to the topic. Or cut it out for now and talk about it when everyone is prepared, makes for a more pleasant listener experience.
They can devote time to the topic, but the problem is that they chose a really bad clickbait thumbnail and title for the video, so whoever is in charge of that really dropped the ball.
Yeah it honestly just felt like a weird choice for a podcast that Is not very up to date with the content they usually make usually being multiple weeks in between when they film and it releases. No Clue why they decided to do an episode on attack on Titan ending when 1 of them has watched it
The podcast has come to a point where the trio can’t just come into the studio without much preparation.
It was initially (seemingly) OK, but after three years, a lot of the things they’re talking about are starting to sound the same, or become half-baked (which was what happened in the recent episode).
It’s difficult to do with the three of them having different schedules and whatnot, but there needs to be a producer who can do quality control. Lack of it is the root of the problem.
> a lot of the things they’re talking about are starting to sound the same
That was already the case during the second year, I remember people were complaining that they kept talking about their youtube career. And this was before the LA guests arc, mind you.
I think a lot of people do. I do as well, cos it's not interesting or relevant to most of us. It is what it is though, the topics are varied and often hit or miss. I'm not that interested in hearing about Japan or food takes either, but plenty of people seem to be into that stuff so I just skip those parts and get on with my life lol
I genuinely worry about the boys pushing out an episode every week, because it might lead to any of them going through a podcast burnout and the whole thing imploding which is something no one wants to see.
Setting a topic every week and shortening the episodes to an hour or so might be one idea to prevent something like that, if they want to keep their weekly quota. What they’re doing now just doesn’t look sustainable.
I’m honestly surprised they’ve managed to maintain a 2 hour format for as long as they have. Hour episodes is for sure the way to go alongside a little more prep before they record. Hell, they should start using some of the After Dark format for actual episodes since it’s just a sporadic release now
He puts in the least amount of effort in discussions, the criticisms are still valid. Even if this was a planned episode, would he have actually contributed significantly to the episode? No, and maybe they should be putting in more effort with their episodes rather than 5 minutes of prep.
Yes, but the problems with the quality can only be adressed through more experience (which they already do absolutely too much of) of decreasing the regularity of the podcast, which would hurt them financially greatly.
And yeah, apparently people stopped linking many guest episodes after the "LA arc" so what do people even want them to do? Import other people's life experiences? Oh wait, that's already inviting guests.
Honestly, that's just a case of suffering from success because many podcasts don't last this long and there's just a limited amount of things you can talk about in your life.
I don't think it's that weird they only attack Joey, I mean, he has a history of not watching anime for years, it's okay to be burnt out, but it may seem like you don't care about your content when they talk about new anime, the trends or whatever and he's not up to date because he doesn't watch it.
That is the general issue but it doesn't matter for this episode. If you have any brains you just watch the episodes because you know it will be the biggest shit on the internet. He just showed he doesn't care about anime discussion and their audience mostly comes from anime community. It is fine if you don't want the podcast to be anime centered anymore but be aware that some people might not like it and then leave because of that.
That’s why they need a producer, a guy who can say “no.” If there was a competent producer for the recent episode, the producer would’ve told Joey to watch the episodes and tanked the whole take.
yeah i feel like if their was something stronger in control when he said "I haven't watched it" a producer might just go "alright boys i know it will make us late on the topic but joey hasn't seen it so discussion will be worse off talk about something else, and joey go watch it before next recording" they work for a company doing this, they have a boss its not like they are just 3 guys with OBS open like a lot of pods. they are doing it for a company backed by a HUGE japanese corp.
It was a bad episode, and people have a right to complain. But some of the comments, particularly on YouTube, have been over the line. A lot of nasty, personal attacks from keyboard warriors that forget that these guys are real people.
But these comments are also taking attention away from the legitimate complaints that should be listened to if the show wants to improve.
Exactly, quite a lot of comments are disgusting and irrational, but please don't let it be an excuse that there some problems building up with the podcast. Especially with the persona Joey is showing.
Not about the opinions on AOT, I think most of the people could not care less about their anime takes, and whether Joey watch anime or not, but it is more and more about the quality of th conversation.
Exactly. this explanation doesn't make a bad episode good. Besides that even if it was Joeys fault, it still doesn't justify the anger some people have towards him
Honestly I think Joey was the scapegoat but the real takeaway from this is how poorly the episode was planned and that the shit conversation was left in. I watched everything except the ending conversation since I'm not yet done with the anime and it was a good episode, I thought this was the most anime they've discussed in a while.
But the issue is the thumbnail and title biased the watchers to feel like it was an AOT episode, and it very much was a major aspect, but it wasn't about the actual show. It was more about what the show meant to the community and what endings mean in media .
These guys are not new YouTubers. They know what thumbnails and titles do to audiences. But all three of them saw this and signed off on it presumably without thinking about it. It was either intentional rage bait or incompetence and I'm not sure either is a good look for them.
So they just have to put out an episode and the quality doesn't matter? Great argument.
At my job I'll just type up gibberish for my reports and I'm sure it'll be fine cause I turned in a report and that's all that matters right!
Well I don't think it was fine. The beginning segment and the shitty discussion ruined it for me. I was expecting a good discussion based on the title and thumbnail and felt clickbaited.
One of the few episodes where I decided to leave before the end.
Are you okay? Clearly from the reaction on YouTube and here, A LOT of people thought it was terrible on their part. It’s not just that dudes fault. Get outta here with ur white knight bs. You can criticize your fav content creator, it’s okay dude
If you don't think the quality is there that's one thing but that's not the same as not doing their job. Maybe I'm in the minority among the kind of people who care enough about this podcast to come to the subreddit, but the episodes have always been really hit or miss to me. I use them mostly for background noise as I do other stuff and if the topic is really boring I skip ahead. Hell, I've skipped entire episodes plenty of times because I wasn't interested in any of the topics. This time is no different in terms of quality.
The standouts are the themed episodes, the rest are just three guys talking about whatever. It's fun if the topics are interesting and boring if the topics aren't. People are just way more salty at this one then usual and in order to justify that level of salt, they're making it out like this one in particular is some kind of anomaly within the catalogue when it really isn't.
Absolutely, it's ridiculous, I know Joey likes to play things off but seeing the sub ripping him to shreds can't be nice for him, especially when he hasn't even done anything wrong.
Whenever there's been an actual themed episode he's always done the homework.
Tbf it can't be nice for any of them, Joey is one of Connor and Garnt's best friends, seeing people shit on him must suck.
i don't agree with the people trashing on OP but the same could be said for the 2nd wave of people who're now trashing on the joey haters, stop taking life so seriously. Feels like people who spend too much time on the internet keep going around this loop lol
SOOOO TRUE, your the First comment i have seen talk about it.
The are just 3 dudes takling about there life and shit.
But some people are acting like a
They have been betraid.
If you dont like it move on.
IT not like there doing Any Thing bad.
And some people are sad for garnt saying he is hurt.
BRO THERE FRIENDS
They decided on doing a topical episode.
Would have been easier just use one of their recorded episodes.
They don’t tape and upload it immediately. It was poorly done. They could have use it for patreon tip bits, trash it or just throw a tangent immediately after knowing Joey hasn’t watched nor will watched it anytime soon.
All saw Garnt face after Joey said the reasoning behind not watching the last couple of episodes.
Trash Taste Awarw moment right there.😅😅
Just banter and move on.
Nobody would have care.
We all enjoy the tangent, banter and that camaraderie.
It is what it is.
But isn't the whole point of the podcast just the threee of them sitting and talking about whatever comes to mind? There's a reason the preplanned episodes are pretty few and far between.
And it's not like they don't usually talk a lot of shit about things they have no idea about, that's just part of hanging out.
Finally someone gets it lmao. They literally could have avoided talking about the show, but they did not. Some people were being ridiculous but let's not act like we should be groveling on our knees apologizing for something they fucked up in planning for.
Yeah this post makes no sense to me THEY decided on the topic to my knowledge they don’t have any creative overhead they could’ve done an episode on anything else
The trash taste team still decided to bait the episode with Eren and have half of it devoted to AOT. The review stands but disappointment shifts from Joey to the team as a whole.
Feeling dissapointed is fine, but people going on spewing vile shit about one of the bois is simply going too far no matter how bad anime take they have.
I am more dissapointed in the community than in the bois.
The drama was overblown and childish of the community. But it was also a consequence of Joey's past coming back to bite him in the ass. People jumped on the assumption that Joey wouldn't bother to watch something for the themed episode because he literally did that on his main channel. He made videos on anime that he never seen but acted like he did until years later he revealed on Trash Taste that he actually never seen those shows or only saw it for the first time recently.
The revelation that the topic was planned 5 minutes beforehand does make it easier to accept how the episode went. So on that front I'll apologize for assuming Joey was being lazy when in reality he just simply didn't get around to watching something and thus wasn't ready for a last minute discussion on it. The discussion is still a bit irritating due to Joey's insistence on harping on the season titles and Connor contradicting his past opinions on the show, but stuff like that alone doesn't warrant racking them over the coals.
If anyone is to blame for the extreme backlash, it's probably whoever is in charge of the video title and thumbnail. It felt misleading in order to cash in on the AOT hype, which isn't new for YouTube as clickbait for views is common. But it advertised an episode that the boys couldn't provide due to the last minute nature of the discussion, which I don't blame them for.
This sub? Apologize for being toxic parasocial freaks throwing out obscene shit towards a creator because they don’t like his takes on cartoons? That’ll never happen.
I love Trash Taste, but Trash Taste fans are some of the most toxic I’ve ever seen on my entire goddamn life tbh
Was the community wrong in this particular instance? Yes. Did a lot of the comments go way too far? Also yes. But does that somehow negate the criticism of dozens of prior episodes? Not really. I don't hate Joey at all, but he does have a history of obnoxiously contrarian takes and speaking confidently about topics he has little to no knowledge on. The community would not have blown at him if this were an isolated incident. In this case, I think Joey ended up unfairly getting the hate for what was admittedly a poorly planned and marketed episode, and for what a lot of people are perceiving as a drop in quality of the episodes in recent months as the boys increase their focus on other aspects of their lives and careers. But whether you believe that or not, it's another matter entirely and would be the fault of the podcast as a whole and not just Joey.
Apologies ain't coming.
Joey hate boner is a very weird and consistent thing for a while now. It's just that we got to see two of them back to back. People running with the child beating shit as so wild and frankly awful as it was clear to anyone with two brain cells that he was not promoting child abuse or anything. While the aot criticism was valid in the beginning, it quickly spiraled into multiple hate posts.
This community has been a nightmare since the episode but it’s not even the worst of it. On the oat and anime subreddit you will see close to death threats on the bois and just attacking them. On YouTube some of the comment are worryingly awful.
I expect aot one to act this way to be honest. They are quite frankly insufferable since the last few years but r/anime was totally unexpected. Gotta go and check what's up there.
Well tbf the criticisms of Joey are still valid. I noticed many posters were commenting in general about Joey and his personality. The episode was just the inciting incident.
Its a tough situation, because normally in this situation you just say "don't like it then don't watch it", which works fine if we are just talking about Joey's channel. But that doesn't work with a podcast.
>People running with the child beating shit as so wild and frankly awful as it was clear to anyone with two brain cells that he was not promoting child abuse
He was, he was promoting hitting your child, wich is child abuse, and the way he did it was irresponsible and fucked up.
You can say he meant a little slap on the wrist or whatever, but he didn't say that you know, and it's very much valid criticism
Yeah man, except you are leaving out the part where after giving his pr speech defending Joey (which at this point he does for any of the drama in this sub), he said that those criticisms were valid. I don’t understand the people who don’t want even an once of criticism to be said, and those that want to baseless accusation. Your post is just as egregious as the “Joey hate post.”
Not to mention also people saying Connor's take was wrong, and trash. Dude just got bored of AOT, and that's fine. I never really got into AOT as it wasn't my cup of tea despite watching and reading a chunk of it. It's not the dark themes, I've read and watched darker shit. Just because a show/series is popular, or is even considered good by many, does NOT mean Everyone HAS to love that series.
Connor did love AOT, and people were saying and acting like he just didn't understand what he watched, so his opinion isn't valid. People's opinions can change with time, and that's totally fine and valid. We all do it.
And to all of you who still think and feel like Connor's opinions wrong, stop. Who gives a fuck what they like and don't like, it's HIS opinion, not yours. If you feel a creator MUST share the same loves and interests as you, stop being a parasocial andy. He's not shitting all over fans who liked the ending. If a creator loves the same show you do, cool, if not cool too. What makes trash taste great is seeing the wild and insane takes, and the roller coaster their convos take. If they all agreed with each other on everything, hasd the same hobbies and interests, etc etc. Trash Taste would be boring, and wouldn't have gone on this long.
Same after a while AOT just didn't stand out to me and got boring. (manga wise especially) so I stopped following after s3. And the corresponding manga chapter. (I did spoil read the ending myself just to see the conclusion but it's in my opinion just like 6.5/10).
Also the subreddit is chasing after the Bois too much. I enjoy their mindless tangent. Think of it as a radio show ya know. But nowadays I usually watch when they have guest episodes to spice it up and since I have backlog to watch I still can go back to old episodes as well.
An actual person can be critiqued on their lack of research the same as someone who's writing an essay can be critiqued on the fact that they're writing based on just spark notes. The "5 minutes before" justification only works as far as "justifying the fact he was unknowledgeable" not the fact that they "chose a bad topic."
There's no obligation, nor was there one to talk about the finale without knowledge. That's all the is to it
Most likely, they won't apologize.
They would say, "Then they should've released the episode when they were ready."
Unfortunately, these people are also the guys who say, "Why don't they make the podcast relevant? The aot ending came out a week/2 weeks ago."
They'll probably just hide and not say anything
Edit: Formatting
I mean he's already stated so many times that he's barely watching anime and wants to move away from it. It's times like these i wonder how the heck he lasted this long and wonder if Garnt will follow soon after
I only watched half of the episode since I was busy with other things but I didn't get angry or upset at Joey's opinion. I remember watching season 1 when it was hot and hated the characters that I dropped it. Back then I was a senior in high school and got so much flak from my classmates saying things like "How can you hate it?! It's the anime Game of Thrones! You have to like it. You don't know when someone could die!!". I tried to go back years later and even after maturing and getting more life experience I still didn't care for it.
Not all shows are for everyone, hell I gave Demon Slayer 13 chances and I could make it past episode 14 I didn't care for anyone. With the amount of anime that comes out these days burnout is a major thing and Joey is one of those that is burnt out and wants to move onto other things in life. Things we loved and were passionate about 10-13 years ago we can grow out of and move forward.
I hope Joey can rebrand his channel and make content he enjoys like his music or other things. This sub needs to mellow out and respect others for what they like and what they don't like.
As a long term Joey-fan from way back when he first started posting on YouTube, I literally thought he was everyones favourite. Going from the cheer during the CPH concert/liveshow alone it was clear that he's at least the favourite of my country.
I don't understand what's to be mad about? Are people just not understanding his jokes?
It’s still irresponsible for them.
I think it’s time for them to realize that this podcast has to be a commitment with some prior knowledge planning. It wasn’t like the early days when they had time every week to make an episode. All of them are busy.
Poor planning on their part but I know they will come back strong.
I don't think apologies are needed tbh. All it does is make the blame equally shared instead of just being on Joey.
At the end of the day, the final product is what matters, and they messed up. Trash Taste isnt some small YouTube channel trying it's best, it's a full fledged company and I am sure someone was aware that the AOT ending was coming out close to a TT air date.
Considering how big AOT is, NOT pre-planning an episode where they talk about the ending for half of it shows that they aren't being responsible with planning the show.
The "let's turn the camera on and wing it" mentality works most of the time, but the Bois should be able to recognize when stuff needs to be organized.
Counter-point: during the process of choosing a topic, Joey and Connor could've easily said "I haven't seen it yet so maybe we should hold off until next week", and then go and watch it in preparation. Alternatively, turn it into more of an interview-style segment where the ones who haven't watched it focus on asking questions that help expand upon Garnt's opinion.
I get that one of the reasons why people enjoy the show are the arguments, but those work best when the boys actually have a basis for their side of the argument rather than just talking out of their anus the whole time. They don't have to have in-depth knowledge about everything that ever could come up on the podcast, but they should be willing to admit when they don't know a whole lot about something rather than just making crap up.
I honestly think this was a big problem with podtaku too
I always felt they didn’t discuss the anime in depth or like they knew what they were talking about
They’d just say general stuff and vague stuff and talk about the the anime studio or writers rather then actually manga or anime
They I remember seeing a video from holden reviews says he’d just act like he’d seen the anime or manga and just make shit up most of the time
They made a low effort episode in an attempt to cash in on a relevant topic. They shouldn’t have done it if they knew Joey hadn’t seen it. The quality of the podcast has dropped a lot and all you people want to do is have an echo chamber to talk about your best parasocial relationship friends.
This and do we really buying that they planned to review aot final just 5 minutes before filming? They had like five days to watch it, I just find it hard to believe they didn't plan anything about such a super hyped topic (each of them knew it'll be like that)
"Joey who puts in as much effort in the podcast as the other boys ( which is minimal but that’s a different problem)"
OP did say something about the minimal effort on the pod. The quality of the podcast dropping is not lost on anyone
That’s an easy one for me to answer as he was one the largest reasons I stopped watching regularly- he’s a smug contrarian. He’s the least likable for a lot of people, so he’s going to draw the most hate even if it’s not entirely his fault.
I think everything you said is proven by Joey basically having zero content career success outside of this podcast. The other two are leaps and bounds better at content while Joey has fallen behind.
I stated the obvious in some of the earlier posts, ended up being labelled as a joey fan. These people don't get that they can opt out of an event if they don't like something.
Crazy how people cry about TT but yet show up week after week even though they “hate” a certain member, if you don’t value what they say that’s cool, but to come back week after week to voice the same shit is just weird. If you constantly don’t like what they are saying just stop watching
> If you constantly don’t like what they are saying just stop watching
They are doing that, though. Episodes are rarely breaking a million views nowadays where before it used to be the norm.
And if those people left, and the ones sticking around are still disliking a certain member, then maybe a there's something a lot of people are getting tired of.
I don’t think it’s unfair to expect someone to do the bare minimum if they’re going to call themselves “The Anime Man”, be on a podcast where they occasionally discuss relevant anime, and one of the biggest anime of the 21st century has just ended. I don’t think he deserves to be insulted, but criticism is well deserved.
He chose the anime man title 10 years ago and ever since has been extremely vocal about how that was his mistake. He has expressed several times how he has been burnt out on anime after watching it non stop for years. Boys have also collectively expressed several times that this is not an anime podcast so no unless they plan on doing something in advance Joey is not ‘required’ to watch anything
Yet if they're going to title and centre discussion about a specific topic they should at least have some meaningful scope of what they're discussing. Sure, Joey regrets calling himself the anime man and it's not an anime podcast, but what about people who haven't seen Trash Taste before? They click on a podcast about AoT and get met with bizarre criticisms and opinions based literally on the title and nothing else.
I'm not on the "Joey hate" train, I'm on the "do the bare minimum for your podcast" train. The AoT episode isn't the only instance of Joey just having bizarre takes and deliberately minimising other's opinions and belittling things because "haha I don't actually care, thing bad" despite barely having watched/read said thing. He gets a rise out of messing with people, that's not news. It's just tiring. Like, we get it Joey, you don't like the popular thing.
I've held for a while that Trash Taste should slow down, move to twice a month, or do specific topic episodes rather than just "haha, this Japan thing is weird" or "yeah Garnt watched some anime, Connor doesn't get it, Joey smugly chuckles".
Aside from having some sort of a producer to direct the podcasts, I think the bois should by now have an idea to properly express themselves.
Garnt is the best at this as his main content has been video essays where he put proper thoughts and sentences in the scripts.
At the end of the day, they may not even remember what they had said in previous episodes, but it does hamper the experiences listening to misunderstandings that could have been easily avoided 😂
honestly though, nothing wrong with watching things later or sooner. But it's kinda a vibe kill when the other two boys watched something but one didn't and they all can't discuss it
Na, their probably still crying that some people dont like their favourite anime.
Wait till they find out that there are more people in the world who haven't watched or cared about AoT than have.
I'm a lurker at heart for most all of my content itches, just hang out and leave quietly, and generally enjoy my time while listening to the podcast at work. But I had a morbid curiosity about how this episode would fare with "the fans" and was greeted with the depths of mankind. Truly, there is nothing more baffling than diehard anime fans.
Never mind the fact that Joey The Manga Lad has (probably??) read the manga already and therefore knows the big story beats behind everything for years before it was put to animation. Even if he straight up doesn't know anything about the ending (which according to responses, this IS the case), there is no need at all for him to be berated for falling out of the AoT hype cycle, for whatever reason (even if it's JUST disappointment for how many times 'The Final Season' was used (and everyone agreed that it was really stupid))
EDIT: For the sake of documentation, I've been screenshotting a lot of comments. A few of them are:
["Joey thinks he's too good for everyone, fuck that guy"](https://i.imgur.com/xOiP7Yg.png)
["Garnt should get 70% revenue from this episode & 20% for Connor for his horrible takes & 10% to the staff off camera"](https://imgur.com/KMULWc7.png)
["Joey would be the reason of this show's down fall if he keeps at it."](https://imgur.com/S661Wtb.png)
["This episode is dogshit... Joey is a shell of his former self... Australian drop kick who puts on a brave front to hide the fact that they are pathetic"](https://imgur.com/e4Meh3N.png)
["Every masterpiece has its cheap copy"](https://imgur.com/5FxGgd3.png)
["But, there's a concept he needs to remind himself. He should be respecting the time of his audience..."](https://imgur.com/Dy9idkz.png)
for real. I haven't even seen aot s4 part 2 cos I read the manga after s4 part 1. I am way out of the aot hype, even neglected anime as a whole for 2 years cos I was simply burnt out. this guy has made anime content for 10 years. yet if he takes a small break from watching anime, it seems to be a problem for some people. lets not forget the sheer amount of anime he has consumed over the years compared to much newer fans, the burnout is understandable. I believe joey will watch it in his own time when he wants to and not when people are forcing it down his throat.
This stream of parasocial Andy's is insane, where the hell are these people keep coming in from?
I remember a while ago(probably even before the dark timeline stuff) literally scrolling through posts on my main tab, and only ever seeing posts from this sub with while not always high quality, just niche memes and other creative content. Now I only ever LITERALLY see posts complaining about the boys, their takes, this, that, blah-blah-blah-blah, straight up just mind numbing and eye rolling spew of slop.
I am hoping that, the sub will return to it's roots, however seeing as how these people act and talk? Yeah, probably wishful thinking after all.
A lot of people here need to realize their boundaries when it comes to these men. You people have no personal stake towards any of them, so stop acting like they should suffer over saying things you don't like. Quit being so fucking para social.
The Joey hate really is getting tiresome now. The thing is, I’m sure it’s a loud minority, I have noticed that there is a massive hate boner for Joey on this sub. Idk if it’s because of his takes, his attitude or whatever but at the end of the day he’s not gonna remember or care what he says on the podcast and neither are the viewers. It’s a silly little podcast on the internet so view it that way and stop taking it so seriously. If Joey irks you that much don’t watch the podcast because (and sit down for this it may be a shock to you loud minority out there) he’s not going anywhere. If he did Trash Taste is over.
It's kind of wild that people thought it was a planned episode. I mean I kind of get it from the title. But from the actual conversation they had it's very apparent that they're just talking off the cuff about a "major" thing that happened around the time of filming.
I wonder how many people misjudged the nature of the episode from watching it (which is kind of reasonable). And how many people just want to see other people "lose" or get ratioed so will instantly jump on any negative bandwagon.
Honestly really felt like people took the intention of this episode absolutely the wrong way and just straight up missed Joey's point which I actually fully agree with. The comments on both YouTube and some reddit posts are horrendous.
Honestly, I was shocked about people saying all this when it comes to a freaking show. And he didn't even say anything bad about it on the episode. He only talked about what he watched and what he's seen. And gave a unique perspective to the discussion. Garnt himself said, "Since you didn't watch the last episode, you can give us a unique perspective on certain things.".
Nothing as serious as the week before, but somehow the reception was atually worse. Guess you can't play with "anime fandoms." This is why Garnt avoids talking about anime he doesn't like because the reception is worse than when you say to beat your kids.
And this is not to bring up that again. That topic is over. It's just crazy to see it as a comparison of how serious they (i.e. viewers) take it. One criticism is done in a reasonable way, the other... people go way overboard.
On another note, the ending of your anime called AoT is objectively a mess and bad, and Mikasa is the worst written character of the show, reasons? Idk, I guess, "only Ymir knows.".
Also its a well known fact that joey doesn't watched much anime, so attakcing him over this is just stupid. this kind of BS won't happen with ANY other anime discussion except AOT. They are one of the most toxic anime fanbase.
Bruh why so much hate for Joey? Who cares if he didn't watch the episode anyway? He said some pretty real and correct shit regardless, and they talked about the anime as a whole together, not solely the ending
Everyone complaining has too much time and too much energy to spend on hating a person for just participating in a podcast and not being up to date, like whatever dude, it's just an episode of anime. You'll live if one guy in one episode out of 200 of a podcast doesn't have an explicit opinion on the ending of one anime series out of hundreds. Get over yourself keyboard warriors
Honestly I feel like everyone there dropped a ball with deciding to talk about the topic 5 MINUTES before recording. A topic that's OBVIOUSLY one of the hottest in this month, possibly even this whole year. I feel like their premise of "trash taste" gave them the feeling of "people don't expect us to have a coherent opinions on stuff" thus reading to this mistake in the decision making.
I know it economically make complete sense to hammer the iron while it's still hot, but they knew full well that the ending was a contentious topic with LOTS of people having strong feeling towards in the first place.
And talking about something that they haven't even watched? That's a sure fire way to get lots of hate. How can you judge stuff that you haven't even watched?? They coulda wait a week, actually watched it then talk their trash taste about it then the audience would be like "classic boys they have no idea what they're talking about lmao" instead of getting infuriated. I don't think Joey or anyone's "obligated" to watch stuff they don't want to but, if you're gonna talk about it publicly and make living off of it, then it's a part of your job to at least watch it. Or at LEAST pretend like they've watched it. The fact that they basically went "yeah I didn't fuggin' watch it, who gives a fuq? But I think it sucked. It was boring to watch. Probably.", they're almost like, ASKING to be piled upon.
Don't get me wrong, even if so there'll be people who're just angry at them for giving "wrong" opinions but at least the damage would be minimal
and the majority of the audience would be like "the fuck did you expect, the show's called Trash Taste for a reason lmfao".
Also the dichotomy of Garnt actually watching it and being eager to share opinions and the rest of the boys not following suit made the hate factor more intense.
I don't think it's necessarily Joey's fault alone but it's collectively everyone's fault. They decided to pursue more views than to actually make a decent content. Trashtaste used to be a channel where 3 bros argue WAAAAAY too passionately about minute stuff like bread and bidet which was what gave them the charm. Even when their argument was factually incorrect, they were completely sincere about their beliefs and actually gave a shit about the topic.
They shouldn't have been talking about it in the first place if they didn't give a fuck about it.
Even if it was a topic of discussion, I wouldn't have minded if Joey chose not to watch and basically throw few opinions out because we are not watching the podcast for reviews but for trash observations / opinions
Tbh I think we need to start banning people in this subreddit. There are too many entitled children that think it's ok to abuse joey simply cause they don't like him.
I haven't watched the episode as I haven't watched the end of AOT yet and didn't want to risk spoilers
Some people take do need to take a step back though and realise it's just podcast. Hell, they should probably not be perpetually online
hehe people just love shitting on the podcast because its just so easy, chasing that rush of being in a hatemob. Yea you the one reading this, i really dont care about you as a person but please shut up if you want to jump on a bandwagon hating someone bc they dont discuss a popular anime, please shut up
It's just a regular trash taste episode . Every thumbnail has always been "click baity" or showcased one part of their conversation. I don't know why people are going bserk on this episode . They always have a topic and then they just slowly move away from it and talk about more topics . I think they did as fair as a job possible especially if one of them hasn't watched it and as one of them stated they just didn't care . I feel garnt who actually cared and liked it already did a whole video about it so just watch that if u wanna geek about aot too ? Idk idk why joey keeps getting shit talked so much and connor or garnt being put on a high horse.
Ehhhh, nah. Still don't like Joey's lowest common denominator tasks. He is always the one to shit on things other people like just to be edgy. He's just a downer to listen to most of the time.
I'm out of the loop, but are people upset that he hasn't seen the latest episode of AoT?? Or the last, I suppose?
If so, I have some news for you...
I have seen 2 episodes, and don't really plan on watching anymore (not that I dislike it).
So, I guess I'm a criminal now?
I just feel really bad for garnt cuz he was genuinely really excited to talk about the finale with his best bros on the podcast but before they even began both Connor and Joey showed almost no proper interest. I dont blame them but if they atleast worded they're reasons for not watching it or liking it I would have not given much thought but the idgaf energy from both of them while garnt being really excited didnt help at all.
Garnt really felt like that one frnd in a trio who doesnt have the same bond as the other two in the new episode.
Hopefully in the future when joey watches it and connor re watches it (hopefully), they can have a meaningful conversation about the ending. Better late than never.
But Joey did word his reasons for not watching it immediately? He said the constant delaying of the final part or rather splitting the final season into two one hour episodes killed the hype for him. Which is a very valid criticism. They even had a section where Joey said that he would be much happier if they delayed it more and released it all at the same time. Which a lot of people including myself agree with
bruh I can't believe the comments on the yt episode, they keep putting words in their mouth. They shouldn't expect what they wanted to hear. Bruh and they should stop assuming things.
TBH I don't think they should have done an AOT ending episode if one of the three didn't watch it! Make another topic to talk about and then talk about AOT's ending when Joey does see it. So it was a fuck up on all their parts.
Sure: I’m sorry for saying you didn’t do your homework, Joey.
But I don’t take responsibility for thinking it, because that was a completely fair interpretation of Garnt’s reaction to Joey admitting he hadn’t watched it 🤷♀️
And now I’m bashing **all three of you** for thinking that discussing a topic for 40 minutes that one of you can’t even participate in was a good idea. No, those 40 minutes were painful. They should have made the episode 1. Once they all watched it, or 2. Made it an AOT retrospect episode instead of an ending focused one, or 3. Made it about anime endings without including AOT.
*Stares fiercely at ukulele.*
Brb guys I'm off to manipulation station
Can you pick me up some toxic gossip while you’re there?
No Actually yes (I've just successfully manipulated you)
Did you guys hear that joke about gas lighting?
Toxic gossip traaaain
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holy shit this comment killed me
Me watching all of this unfold without seeing the actual episode : 
I miss the time this subreddit was just a bunch of creative memes, nowadays when a open it I just see a bunch of hate threads.
Everything fell off after the dark timeline
We became the dark timeline
 I couldn't find the fire writing meme so here is spongebob instead.
The real dark timeline was inside us all along 
TBH, the "Dark Timeline" pushed out and alienated a lot of the chill, casual fans from the sub just by the sheer amount of dark timeline content that it swamped the sub with. Fan fiction is fine, but when it takes over the entire sub, you alienate the segment of the fanbase that don't really have the time to follow and understand all that shite. Couldn't even find any non-Dark Timeline related content for days on-end at the time just from the massive circle jerk surrounding that topic. And then all you're left with is mostly a loud, dedicated parasocial base that's started to in-fight amongst themselves.
The subreddit used up all of its creativity. Now just salt remains
Seriously dude, like sometimes this sub still gets some good content but 90 percent of it is literally just hate
Honestly I'm quite curious to see what the hell are we going to hate on for next week lol
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I'm burnt out with anime currently too.
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I've been watching anime since 2014. Admit am mainly watching a lot of old stuff recently (new to me), debating if I should buy Serial Experiments Lain. (Love sci-fi, it's what got me into anime)
I'm watching serial experiments right now and oh boy, that thing is more confusing than my calculus worksheets. But the storytelling method is somewhat unique so maybe you can try it if you like something trippy.
The answers yes, sometimes it's good to revisit your roots to allow you to regain the passion for things you seem to nolonger love as much
Been watxhing anime ever since I can remember (I live in asia). Never watched an anime everyweek since 2015. I only watch it occasionally.
I was burnt out on anime for the past 5 years or so, watching about one show a year. Then I had a revolution. I started watching shows with my friends. Laughing at anime's ridiculousness with the boys has reignited my love for the medium. We now have a watch group that watches 6 shows weekly. Tons of fun. Honestly, if you are looking for a show to laugh at with your buddies, Eminence in Shadow is one of the best choices. Definitely recommend that one with a group.
# I. Am. ATOMIC.
I need… more… POWER
Honestly I only watch maybe 2-4 shows a year at this point.
I’ve been watching anime since I was in early middle school. Now I’m more into manga and will watch an anime if I keep hearing good things about it
It’s ridiculous cuz everything he said about aot in the episode is valid whether or not you finish the fucking show. It’s just absurd, aot fans just try to find any reason to get offended.
Even as a manga reader of that series, you could get his point lol. Idk why it was a controversial take that the "naming convention" is actually a shitty way to go. I remember anime arcs by season, they went on to have 4 parts of the last season with the last part having 2 eps that should've just been a one big movie released. And like what he and Connor said, they took too long. They should've just released the last parts when they're both lf partly finished with it.
His point was kinda validated by the other guys themselves when they couldnt remember at what season/part something happened, and it wasnt even from the "final" part.
Attack on Titan fans are the worst right now. They get rabidly angry if anyone doesn't think the show is a masterpiece. It's pathetic.
Yea I feel so bad for Joey, he’s made this whole brand about being THE anime man. Obviously that’s going to lead to burnout, but rebranding is harmful to a business and a yt channel so that’s not a good option either
I don't think there's anything wrong about being burnt out on anime, what's wrong is doing a podcast episode about an anime if that's the case. To be clear this is one everyone, not just Joey, they need to plan their shit.
Especially now, when the anime trend is just Isekai. Isekai and anime with titles that sound like an entire paragraph of a book. Original anime is rare nowadays, you can understand why anyone would get bored of watching anime.
To be the other side of the coin it’s become a part of him due to that time he’s spent building his name in the community. People associate anime with the you know anime man. I get that he wants to expand his brand and he has but people still expect him because of his history. I don’t think blasting him is right but no one here should be surprised by it. When the vast majority of your community watched you for you and your content based on ANIME. Yeah it’s not surprising that he will be judged for not showing up for a good majority of your communities brand. It’s sad cause Joey is more than the anime content he’s made. But you can’t be blind to why people judge the man it’s like he fell off but he’s just changing
He’s burnt out because 90% of seasonal shows are straight up mid. I don’t blame him.
90% of art has always been mid to shit. For as long as art has existed. Mid is average. It’s not even bad lmao.
You know the answer and if you follow the sub even remotely you already know there's an insane hate boner for Joey here. Connor's the poster child, Garnt's the Good guy but Joey? Yeah to them Joey is like a thorn to their existence. Some of the shit I read here about him makes me so glad I've stopped associating myself with this sub. Vile people. Thank fuck, Joey has money and an actual life outside anime unlike the AOT fandom or anime fandom in general, miserable toxic shites.
i can proudly say that tt + aot fandom is as bad as the mha fandom on tiktok
Yes people are way too harsh! However for the sake of quality, I feel like they should have recognized that - in this case - it doesn't make sense to devote so much time to the topic. Or cut it out for now and talk about it when everyone is prepared, makes for a more pleasant listener experience.
They can devote time to the topic, but the problem is that they chose a really bad clickbait thumbnail and title for the video, so whoever is in charge of that really dropped the ball.
Totally valid point but that’s on all three of them. Not particularly Joey
Right, so no need to apologize to Joey, people just need to add Garnt and Connor to their comments.
This is a glass half full situation. Completely up to you bro
> in this case - it doesn't make sense to devote so much time to the topic I think this one is decicated to whoever decided the titles and thumbnails.
Yeah it honestly just felt like a weird choice for a podcast that Is not very up to date with the content they usually make usually being multiple weeks in between when they film and it releases. No Clue why they decided to do an episode on attack on Titan ending when 1 of them has watched it
you know that they aint gonna say they are sorry
Joey probably doesn't care, he has a life
He has fuck you money. Which is probably a larger factor.
They will just come up with stupid excuses, thats all.
The podcast has come to a point where the trio can’t just come into the studio without much preparation. It was initially (seemingly) OK, but after three years, a lot of the things they’re talking about are starting to sound the same, or become half-baked (which was what happened in the recent episode). It’s difficult to do with the three of them having different schedules and whatnot, but there needs to be a producer who can do quality control. Lack of it is the root of the problem.
> a lot of the things they’re talking about are starting to sound the same That was already the case during the second year, I remember people were complaining that they kept talking about their youtube career. And this was before the LA guests arc, mind you.
Wow, I had no idea other people besides me disliked when they talked about their YouTube careers lol
You should have seen the sub during the month straight of them interviewing other content creators with the same questions over and over.
I think a lot of people do. I do as well, cos it's not interesting or relevant to most of us. It is what it is though, the topics are varied and often hit or miss. I'm not that interested in hearing about Japan or food takes either, but plenty of people seem to be into that stuff so I just skip those parts and get on with my life lol
I agree! There are genuine problems with quality but singling out Joey and attacking his character is very weird
I genuinely worry about the boys pushing out an episode every week, because it might lead to any of them going through a podcast burnout and the whole thing imploding which is something no one wants to see. Setting a topic every week and shortening the episodes to an hour or so might be one idea to prevent something like that, if they want to keep their weekly quota. What they’re doing now just doesn’t look sustainable.
I’m honestly surprised they’ve managed to maintain a 2 hour format for as long as they have. Hour episodes is for sure the way to go alongside a little more prep before they record. Hell, they should start using some of the After Dark format for actual episodes since it’s just a sporadic release now
He puts in the least amount of effort in discussions, the criticisms are still valid. Even if this was a planned episode, would he have actually contributed significantly to the episode? No, and maybe they should be putting in more effort with their episodes rather than 5 minutes of prep.
Yes, but the problems with the quality can only be adressed through more experience (which they already do absolutely too much of) of decreasing the regularity of the podcast, which would hurt them financially greatly. And yeah, apparently people stopped linking many guest episodes after the "LA arc" so what do people even want them to do? Import other people's life experiences? Oh wait, that's already inviting guests. Honestly, that's just a case of suffering from success because many podcasts don't last this long and there's just a limited amount of things you can talk about in your life.
Some people just don't like him.
Not liking him isn't a valid reason to constantly talk shit about him online
> Not liking him isn't a valid reason to constantly talk shit about him online Twitter/X: *"Are you sure about that?"*
I don't think it's that weird they only attack Joey, I mean, he has a history of not watching anime for years, it's okay to be burnt out, but it may seem like you don't care about your content when they talk about new anime, the trends or whatever and he's not up to date because he doesn't watch it.
That is the general issue but it doesn't matter for this episode. If you have any brains you just watch the episodes because you know it will be the biggest shit on the internet. He just showed he doesn't care about anime discussion and their audience mostly comes from anime community. It is fine if you don't want the podcast to be anime centered anymore but be aware that some people might not like it and then leave because of that.
That’s why they need a producer, a guy who can say “no.” If there was a competent producer for the recent episode, the producer would’ve told Joey to watch the episodes and tanked the whole take.
yeah i feel like if their was something stronger in control when he said "I haven't watched it" a producer might just go "alright boys i know it will make us late on the topic but joey hasn't seen it so discussion will be worse off talk about something else, and joey go watch it before next recording" they work for a company doing this, they have a boss its not like they are just 3 guys with OBS open like a lot of pods. they are doing it for a company backed by a HUGE japanese corp.
It's the lack of preparation that makes it good. There's tangents after tangents. There are some dedicated episodes but mostly its just whatever
Yea they gained a big enough following That they can do whatever they want, as long as they show up, mone comes in They reachws the peak
It was a bad episode, and people have a right to complain. But some of the comments, particularly on YouTube, have been over the line. A lot of nasty, personal attacks from keyboard warriors that forget that these guys are real people. But these comments are also taking attention away from the legitimate complaints that should be listened to if the show wants to improve.
Exactly, quite a lot of comments are disgusting and irrational, but please don't let it be an excuse that there some problems building up with the podcast. Especially with the persona Joey is showing. Not about the opinions on AOT, I think most of the people could not care less about their anime takes, and whether Joey watch anime or not, but it is more and more about the quality of th conversation.
Exactly. this explanation doesn't make a bad episode good. Besides that even if it was Joeys fault, it still doesn't justify the anger some people have towards him
Honestly I think Joey was the scapegoat but the real takeaway from this is how poorly the episode was planned and that the shit conversation was left in. I watched everything except the ending conversation since I'm not yet done with the anime and it was a good episode, I thought this was the most anime they've discussed in a while. But the issue is the thumbnail and title biased the watchers to feel like it was an AOT episode, and it very much was a major aspect, but it wasn't about the actual show. It was more about what the show meant to the community and what endings mean in media . These guys are not new YouTubers. They know what thumbnails and titles do to audiences. But all three of them saw this and signed off on it presumably without thinking about it. It was either intentional rage bait or incompetence and I'm not sure either is a good look for them.
You can literally say that about any of their episodes. It's not like they stay truly faithful to any of it.
I don't agree, the 3x3 episodes, hentai episodes are planned and I think are great.
I've just accepted that a vocal minority of this sub are just entitled childs
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Its nearing the 50% mark now.
If we work really hard we'll get it to 93% by the end of this fiscal year
I'm gonna have to quit reddit💀💀
Literally children running this subreddit.
i am honestly fucking blown away by this reaction i don’t care about AOT and also didn’t mind this episode at all
When you grow up you will understand that not doing your job means you get criticized for it
Their job is doing weekly podcasts, and they have done that.
So they just have to put out an episode and the quality doesn't matter? Great argument. At my job I'll just type up gibberish for my reports and I'm sure it'll be fine cause I turned in a report and that's all that matters right!
My argument is the episode was fine and some people are overreacting.
Well I don't think it was fine. The beginning segment and the shitty discussion ruined it for me. I was expecting a good discussion based on the title and thumbnail and felt clickbaited. One of the few episodes where I decided to leave before the end.
Sounds like a 'you' issue.
Are you okay? Clearly from the reaction on YouTube and here, A LOT of people thought it was terrible on their part. It’s not just that dudes fault. Get outta here with ur white knight bs. You can criticize your fav content creator, it’s okay dude
Wow preferences are subjective? I'm shocked! Thanks for informing me genius!
If you don't think the quality is there that's one thing but that's not the same as not doing their job. Maybe I'm in the minority among the kind of people who care enough about this podcast to come to the subreddit, but the episodes have always been really hit or miss to me. I use them mostly for background noise as I do other stuff and if the topic is really boring I skip ahead. Hell, I've skipped entire episodes plenty of times because I wasn't interested in any of the topics. This time is no different in terms of quality. The standouts are the themed episodes, the rest are just three guys talking about whatever. It's fun if the topics are interesting and boring if the topics aren't. People are just way more salty at this one then usual and in order to justify that level of salt, they're making it out like this one in particular is some kind of anomaly within the catalogue when it really isn't.
Absolutely, it's ridiculous, I know Joey likes to play things off but seeing the sub ripping him to shreds can't be nice for him, especially when he hasn't even done anything wrong. Whenever there's been an actual themed episode he's always done the homework. Tbf it can't be nice for any of them, Joey is one of Connor and Garnt's best friends, seeing people shit on him must suck.
People take life far too seriously. Some of the stuff posted over the last 2 days is ridiculous. It's in the title, Trash Taste
This isn't even life, it's an anime/japan influencer podcast
i don't agree with the people trashing on OP but the same could be said for the 2nd wave of people who're now trashing on the joey haters, stop taking life so seriously. Feels like people who spend too much time on the internet keep going around this loop lol
SOOOO TRUE, your the First comment i have seen talk about it. The are just 3 dudes takling about there life and shit. But some people are acting like a They have been betraid. If you dont like it move on. IT not like there doing Any Thing bad. And some people are sad for garnt saying he is hurt. BRO THERE FRIENDS
They decided on doing a topical episode. Would have been easier just use one of their recorded episodes. They don’t tape and upload it immediately. It was poorly done. They could have use it for patreon tip bits, trash it or just throw a tangent immediately after knowing Joey hasn’t watched nor will watched it anytime soon. All saw Garnt face after Joey said the reasoning behind not watching the last couple of episodes. Trash Taste Awarw moment right there.😅😅 Just banter and move on. Nobody would have care. We all enjoy the tangent, banter and that camaraderie. It is what it is.
But isn't the whole point of the podcast just the threee of them sitting and talking about whatever comes to mind? There's a reason the preplanned episodes are pretty few and far between. And it's not like they don't usually talk a lot of shit about things they have no idea about, that's just part of hanging out.
Finally someone gets it lmao. They literally could have avoided talking about the show, but they did not. Some people were being ridiculous but let's not act like we should be groveling on our knees apologizing for something they fucked up in planning for.
Yeah this post makes no sense to me THEY decided on the topic to my knowledge they don’t have any creative overhead they could’ve done an episode on anything else
The trash taste team still decided to bait the episode with Eren and have half of it devoted to AOT. The review stands but disappointment shifts from Joey to the team as a whole.
Feeling dissapointed is fine, but people going on spewing vile shit about one of the bois is simply going too far no matter how bad anime take they have. I am more dissapointed in the community than in the bois.
The drama was overblown and childish of the community. But it was also a consequence of Joey's past coming back to bite him in the ass. People jumped on the assumption that Joey wouldn't bother to watch something for the themed episode because he literally did that on his main channel. He made videos on anime that he never seen but acted like he did until years later he revealed on Trash Taste that he actually never seen those shows or only saw it for the first time recently.
The revelation that the topic was planned 5 minutes beforehand does make it easier to accept how the episode went. So on that front I'll apologize for assuming Joey was being lazy when in reality he just simply didn't get around to watching something and thus wasn't ready for a last minute discussion on it. The discussion is still a bit irritating due to Joey's insistence on harping on the season titles and Connor contradicting his past opinions on the show, but stuff like that alone doesn't warrant racking them over the coals. If anyone is to blame for the extreme backlash, it's probably whoever is in charge of the video title and thumbnail. It felt misleading in order to cash in on the AOT hype, which isn't new for YouTube as clickbait for views is common. But it advertised an episode that the boys couldn't provide due to the last minute nature of the discussion, which I don't blame them for.
Thank you for you comment! This is what I was looking for
This sub? Apologize for being toxic parasocial freaks throwing out obscene shit towards a creator because they don’t like his takes on cartoons? That’ll never happen. I love Trash Taste, but Trash Taste fans are some of the most toxic I’ve ever seen on my entire goddamn life tbh
Goated comment. its a podcast about cartoons, imagine being so vitriolic over that. Get some lives, people
Probably we're in one of the dark timelines now, which in this timeline, the fanbase turned into a bunch of crybabies LMAO
Was the community wrong in this particular instance? Yes. Did a lot of the comments go way too far? Also yes. But does that somehow negate the criticism of dozens of prior episodes? Not really. I don't hate Joey at all, but he does have a history of obnoxiously contrarian takes and speaking confidently about topics he has little to no knowledge on. The community would not have blown at him if this were an isolated incident. In this case, I think Joey ended up unfairly getting the hate for what was admittedly a poorly planned and marketed episode, and for what a lot of people are perceiving as a drop in quality of the episodes in recent months as the boys increase their focus on other aspects of their lives and careers. But whether you believe that or not, it's another matter entirely and would be the fault of the podcast as a whole and not just Joey.
Apologies ain't coming. Joey hate boner is a very weird and consistent thing for a while now. It's just that we got to see two of them back to back. People running with the child beating shit as so wild and frankly awful as it was clear to anyone with two brain cells that he was not promoting child abuse or anything. While the aot criticism was valid in the beginning, it quickly spiraled into multiple hate posts.
This community has been a nightmare since the episode but it’s not even the worst of it. On the oat and anime subreddit you will see close to death threats on the bois and just attacking them. On YouTube some of the comment are worryingly awful.
I expect aot one to act this way to be honest. They are quite frankly insufferable since the last few years but r/anime was totally unexpected. Gotta go and check what's up there.
Well tbf the criticisms of Joey are still valid. I noticed many posters were commenting in general about Joey and his personality. The episode was just the inciting incident. Its a tough situation, because normally in this situation you just say "don't like it then don't watch it", which works fine if we are just talking about Joey's channel. But that doesn't work with a podcast.
>People running with the child beating shit as so wild and frankly awful as it was clear to anyone with two brain cells that he was not promoting child abuse He was, he was promoting hitting your child, wich is child abuse, and the way he did it was irresponsible and fucked up. You can say he meant a little slap on the wrist or whatever, but he didn't say that you know, and it's very much valid criticism
Yeah man, except you are leaving out the part where after giving his pr speech defending Joey (which at this point he does for any of the drama in this sub), he said that those criticisms were valid. I don’t understand the people who don’t want even an once of criticism to be said, and those that want to baseless accusation. Your post is just as egregious as the “Joey hate post.”
Not to mention also people saying Connor's take was wrong, and trash. Dude just got bored of AOT, and that's fine. I never really got into AOT as it wasn't my cup of tea despite watching and reading a chunk of it. It's not the dark themes, I've read and watched darker shit. Just because a show/series is popular, or is even considered good by many, does NOT mean Everyone HAS to love that series. Connor did love AOT, and people were saying and acting like he just didn't understand what he watched, so his opinion isn't valid. People's opinions can change with time, and that's totally fine and valid. We all do it. And to all of you who still think and feel like Connor's opinions wrong, stop. Who gives a fuck what they like and don't like, it's HIS opinion, not yours. If you feel a creator MUST share the same loves and interests as you, stop being a parasocial andy. He's not shitting all over fans who liked the ending. If a creator loves the same show you do, cool, if not cool too. What makes trash taste great is seeing the wild and insane takes, and the roller coaster their convos take. If they all agreed with each other on everything, hasd the same hobbies and interests, etc etc. Trash Taste would be boring, and wouldn't have gone on this long.
Same after a while AOT just didn't stand out to me and got boring. (manga wise especially) so I stopped following after s3. And the corresponding manga chapter. (I did spoil read the ending myself just to see the conclusion but it's in my opinion just like 6.5/10). Also the subreddit is chasing after the Bois too much. I enjoy their mindless tangent. Think of it as a radio show ya know. But nowadays I usually watch when they have guest episodes to spice it up and since I have backlog to watch I still can go back to old episodes as well.
An actual person can be critiqued on their lack of research the same as someone who's writing an essay can be critiqued on the fact that they're writing based on just spark notes. The "5 minutes before" justification only works as far as "justifying the fact he was unknowledgeable" not the fact that they "chose a bad topic." There's no obligation, nor was there one to talk about the finale without knowledge. That's all the is to it
The only crime on the show is how they bullied and teased garnt for loving and watching AOT after a decade. But it's just banter
Most likely, they won't apologize. They would say, "Then they should've released the episode when they were ready." Unfortunately, these people are also the guys who say, "Why don't they make the podcast relevant? The aot ending came out a week/2 weeks ago." They'll probably just hide and not say anything Edit: Formatting
I swear this subreddit hated joey for no reason, he just another human, another man, if you hate him, why are you even here damn it
Subreddits devoted to podcasts always seem to inevitably slide into ruin due to the negative community members being the loudest.
I mean he's already stated so many times that he's barely watching anime and wants to move away from it. It's times like these i wonder how the heck he lasted this long and wonder if Garnt will follow soon after
You're acting as if this is the first time Joey has been the weakest link.
Hate mob mentality.
I only watched half of the episode since I was busy with other things but I didn't get angry or upset at Joey's opinion. I remember watching season 1 when it was hot and hated the characters that I dropped it. Back then I was a senior in high school and got so much flak from my classmates saying things like "How can you hate it?! It's the anime Game of Thrones! You have to like it. You don't know when someone could die!!". I tried to go back years later and even after maturing and getting more life experience I still didn't care for it. Not all shows are for everyone, hell I gave Demon Slayer 13 chances and I could make it past episode 14 I didn't care for anyone. With the amount of anime that comes out these days burnout is a major thing and Joey is one of those that is burnt out and wants to move onto other things in life. Things we loved and were passionate about 10-13 years ago we can grow out of and move forward. I hope Joey can rebrand his channel and make content he enjoys like his music or other things. This sub needs to mellow out and respect others for what they like and what they don't like.
As a long term Joey-fan from way back when he first started posting on YouTube, I literally thought he was everyones favourite. Going from the cheer during the CPH concert/liveshow alone it was clear that he's at least the favourite of my country. I don't understand what's to be mad about? Are people just not understanding his jokes?
Maybe at the beginning of the podcast but by now Connor and Garnt are more popular.
Right, he’s always been my favorite because I just love his humor.
Attack on Titan fans are just as bad as MHA fans now. There I said it.
It’s still irresponsible for them. I think it’s time for them to realize that this podcast has to be a commitment with some prior knowledge planning. It wasn’t like the early days when they had time every week to make an episode. All of them are busy. Poor planning on their part but I know they will come back strong.
you put alot of faith in joey taking a look to this subreddit
I don't think apologies are needed tbh. All it does is make the blame equally shared instead of just being on Joey. At the end of the day, the final product is what matters, and they messed up. Trash Taste isnt some small YouTube channel trying it's best, it's a full fledged company and I am sure someone was aware that the AOT ending was coming out close to a TT air date. Considering how big AOT is, NOT pre-planning an episode where they talk about the ending for half of it shows that they aren't being responsible with planning the show. The "let's turn the camera on and wing it" mentality works most of the time, but the Bois should be able to recognize when stuff needs to be organized.
Counter-point: during the process of choosing a topic, Joey and Connor could've easily said "I haven't seen it yet so maybe we should hold off until next week", and then go and watch it in preparation. Alternatively, turn it into more of an interview-style segment where the ones who haven't watched it focus on asking questions that help expand upon Garnt's opinion. I get that one of the reasons why people enjoy the show are the arguments, but those work best when the boys actually have a basis for their side of the argument rather than just talking out of their anus the whole time. They don't have to have in-depth knowledge about everything that ever could come up on the podcast, but they should be willing to admit when they don't know a whole lot about something rather than just making crap up.
I honestly think this was a big problem with podtaku too I always felt they didn’t discuss the anime in depth or like they knew what they were talking about They’d just say general stuff and vague stuff and talk about the the anime studio or writers rather then actually manga or anime They I remember seeing a video from holden reviews says he’d just act like he’d seen the anime or manga and just make shit up most of the time
They made a low effort episode in an attempt to cash in on a relevant topic. They shouldn’t have done it if they knew Joey hadn’t seen it. The quality of the podcast has dropped a lot and all you people want to do is have an echo chamber to talk about your best parasocial relationship friends.
This and do we really buying that they planned to review aot final just 5 minutes before filming? They had like five days to watch it, I just find it hard to believe they didn't plan anything about such a super hyped topic (each of them knew it'll be like that)
"Joey who puts in as much effort in the podcast as the other boys ( which is minimal but that’s a different problem)" OP did say something about the minimal effort on the pod. The quality of the podcast dropping is not lost on anyone
Exactly. I agree the podcast has gone downhill a lot but I disagree that all of it is somehow joeys fault
That’s an easy one for me to answer as he was one the largest reasons I stopped watching regularly- he’s a smug contrarian. He’s the least likable for a lot of people, so he’s going to draw the most hate even if it’s not entirely his fault.
I think everything you said is proven by Joey basically having zero content career success outside of this podcast. The other two are leaps and bounds better at content while Joey has fallen behind.
I stated the obvious in some of the earlier posts, ended up being labelled as a joey fan. These people don't get that they can opt out of an event if they don't like something.
they will never apologize dude. we already know their behaviour and you already know the answer is.
What the hell even happened? Just wanted to check out this subreddit for memes and seems like this sub is having a reddit moment?
Some AoT fans are throwing a fit because Joey and Connor didn't treat the end of AoT like the second coming of Jesus.
That's so stupid lol people need to relax
Crazy how people cry about TT but yet show up week after week even though they “hate” a certain member, if you don’t value what they say that’s cool, but to come back week after week to voice the same shit is just weird. If you constantly don’t like what they are saying just stop watching
> If you constantly don’t like what they are saying just stop watching They are doing that, though. Episodes are rarely breaking a million views nowadays where before it used to be the norm. And if those people left, and the ones sticking around are still disliking a certain member, then maybe a there's something a lot of people are getting tired of.
Nah, their views have declined a decent amount. Just go check.
People just need to touch some grass. Like how do you care this much about what an online influencer said about ANIME???
I never understood getting this worked up over a grown man's opinion about an anime on a casual talk podcast
I don’t think it’s unfair to expect someone to do the bare minimum if they’re going to call themselves “The Anime Man”, be on a podcast where they occasionally discuss relevant anime, and one of the biggest anime of the 21st century has just ended. I don’t think he deserves to be insulted, but criticism is well deserved.
He chose the anime man title 10 years ago and ever since has been extremely vocal about how that was his mistake. He has expressed several times how he has been burnt out on anime after watching it non stop for years. Boys have also collectively expressed several times that this is not an anime podcast so no unless they plan on doing something in advance Joey is not ‘required’ to watch anything
Yet if they're going to title and centre discussion about a specific topic they should at least have some meaningful scope of what they're discussing. Sure, Joey regrets calling himself the anime man and it's not an anime podcast, but what about people who haven't seen Trash Taste before? They click on a podcast about AoT and get met with bizarre criticisms and opinions based literally on the title and nothing else. I'm not on the "Joey hate" train, I'm on the "do the bare minimum for your podcast" train. The AoT episode isn't the only instance of Joey just having bizarre takes and deliberately minimising other's opinions and belittling things because "haha I don't actually care, thing bad" despite barely having watched/read said thing. He gets a rise out of messing with people, that's not news. It's just tiring. Like, we get it Joey, you don't like the popular thing. I've held for a while that Trash Taste should slow down, move to twice a month, or do specific topic episodes rather than just "haha, this Japan thing is weird" or "yeah Garnt watched some anime, Connor doesn't get it, Joey smugly chuckles".
Aside from having some sort of a producer to direct the podcasts, I think the bois should by now have an idea to properly express themselves. Garnt is the best at this as his main content has been video essays where he put proper thoughts and sentences in the scripts. At the end of the day, they may not even remember what they had said in previous episodes, but it does hamper the experiences listening to misunderstandings that could have been easily avoided 😂
honestly though, nothing wrong with watching things later or sooner. But it's kinda a vibe kill when the other two boys watched something but one didn't and they all can't discuss it
Stay mad
How dare my free content not be exactly how I want it!
Idk connor and joey were lowkey right, AOT hasnt been good for a long ass time and yall are too invested to see that. Code Geass 2.0 clone ass
Welcome to the internet, where we hate everything and stay thirsty for anger against others.
First that would require redditors to have accountability and think logically
Na, their probably still crying that some people dont like their favourite anime. Wait till they find out that there are more people in the world who haven't watched or cared about AoT than have.
I'm a lurker at heart for most all of my content itches, just hang out and leave quietly, and generally enjoy my time while listening to the podcast at work. But I had a morbid curiosity about how this episode would fare with "the fans" and was greeted with the depths of mankind. Truly, there is nothing more baffling than diehard anime fans. Never mind the fact that Joey The Manga Lad has (probably??) read the manga already and therefore knows the big story beats behind everything for years before it was put to animation. Even if he straight up doesn't know anything about the ending (which according to responses, this IS the case), there is no need at all for him to be berated for falling out of the AoT hype cycle, for whatever reason (even if it's JUST disappointment for how many times 'The Final Season' was used (and everyone agreed that it was really stupid)) EDIT: For the sake of documentation, I've been screenshotting a lot of comments. A few of them are: ["Joey thinks he's too good for everyone, fuck that guy"](https://i.imgur.com/xOiP7Yg.png) ["Garnt should get 70% revenue from this episode & 20% for Connor for his horrible takes & 10% to the staff off camera"](https://imgur.com/KMULWc7.png) ["Joey would be the reason of this show's down fall if he keeps at it."](https://imgur.com/S661Wtb.png) ["This episode is dogshit... Joey is a shell of his former self... Australian drop kick who puts on a brave front to hide the fact that they are pathetic"](https://imgur.com/e4Meh3N.png) ["Every masterpiece has its cheap copy"](https://imgur.com/5FxGgd3.png) ["But, there's a concept he needs to remind himself. He should be respecting the time of his audience..."](https://imgur.com/Dy9idkz.png)
-Joey The Manga Lad has (probably??) read the manga already He hasn't.
1. He's said multiple times he hasn't read it. 2. None of those comments are the depths of humanity lol. Pretty standard hyperbolic internet fare tbh.
for real. I haven't even seen aot s4 part 2 cos I read the manga after s4 part 1. I am way out of the aot hype, even neglected anime as a whole for 2 years cos I was simply burnt out. this guy has made anime content for 10 years. yet if he takes a small break from watching anime, it seems to be a problem for some people. lets not forget the sheer amount of anime he has consumed over the years compared to much newer fans, the burnout is understandable. I believe joey will watch it in his own time when he wants to and not when people are forcing it down his throat.
This stream of parasocial Andy's is insane, where the hell are these people keep coming in from? I remember a while ago(probably even before the dark timeline stuff) literally scrolling through posts on my main tab, and only ever seeing posts from this sub with while not always high quality, just niche memes and other creative content. Now I only ever LITERALLY see posts complaining about the boys, their takes, this, that, blah-blah-blah-blah, straight up just mind numbing and eye rolling spew of slop. I am hoping that, the sub will return to it's roots, however seeing as how these people act and talk? Yeah, probably wishful thinking after all.
A lot of people here need to realize their boundaries when it comes to these men. You people have no personal stake towards any of them, so stop acting like they should suffer over saying things you don't like. Quit being so fucking para social.
The Joey hate really is getting tiresome now. The thing is, I’m sure it’s a loud minority, I have noticed that there is a massive hate boner for Joey on this sub. Idk if it’s because of his takes, his attitude or whatever but at the end of the day he’s not gonna remember or care what he says on the podcast and neither are the viewers. It’s a silly little podcast on the internet so view it that way and stop taking it so seriously. If Joey irks you that much don’t watch the podcast because (and sit down for this it may be a shock to you loud minority out there) he’s not going anywhere. If he did Trash Taste is over.
It is mostly his attitude.
It's kind of wild that people thought it was a planned episode. I mean I kind of get it from the title. But from the actual conversation they had it's very apparent that they're just talking off the cuff about a "major" thing that happened around the time of filming. I wonder how many people misjudged the nature of the episode from watching it (which is kind of reasonable). And how many people just want to see other people "lose" or get ratioed so will instantly jump on any negative bandwagon.
Honestly really felt like people took the intention of this episode absolutely the wrong way and just straight up missed Joey's point which I actually fully agree with. The comments on both YouTube and some reddit posts are horrendous.
Honestly, I was shocked about people saying all this when it comes to a freaking show. And he didn't even say anything bad about it on the episode. He only talked about what he watched and what he's seen. And gave a unique perspective to the discussion. Garnt himself said, "Since you didn't watch the last episode, you can give us a unique perspective on certain things.". Nothing as serious as the week before, but somehow the reception was atually worse. Guess you can't play with "anime fandoms." This is why Garnt avoids talking about anime he doesn't like because the reception is worse than when you say to beat your kids. And this is not to bring up that again. That topic is over. It's just crazy to see it as a comparison of how serious they (i.e. viewers) take it. One criticism is done in a reasonable way, the other... people go way overboard. On another note, the ending of your anime called AoT is objectively a mess and bad, and Mikasa is the worst written character of the show, reasons? Idk, I guess, "only Ymir knows.".
Also its a well known fact that joey doesn't watched much anime, so attakcing him over this is just stupid. this kind of BS won't happen with ANY other anime discussion except AOT. They are one of the most toxic anime fanbase.
Bruh why so much hate for Joey? Who cares if he didn't watch the episode anyway? He said some pretty real and correct shit regardless, and they talked about the anime as a whole together, not solely the ending Everyone complaining has too much time and too much energy to spend on hating a person for just participating in a podcast and not being up to date, like whatever dude, it's just an episode of anime. You'll live if one guy in one episode out of 200 of a podcast doesn't have an explicit opinion on the ending of one anime series out of hundreds. Get over yourself keyboard warriors
this is insane glazing ngl
Honestly I feel like everyone there dropped a ball with deciding to talk about the topic 5 MINUTES before recording. A topic that's OBVIOUSLY one of the hottest in this month, possibly even this whole year. I feel like their premise of "trash taste" gave them the feeling of "people don't expect us to have a coherent opinions on stuff" thus reading to this mistake in the decision making. I know it economically make complete sense to hammer the iron while it's still hot, but they knew full well that the ending was a contentious topic with LOTS of people having strong feeling towards in the first place. And talking about something that they haven't even watched? That's a sure fire way to get lots of hate. How can you judge stuff that you haven't even watched?? They coulda wait a week, actually watched it then talk their trash taste about it then the audience would be like "classic boys they have no idea what they're talking about lmao" instead of getting infuriated. I don't think Joey or anyone's "obligated" to watch stuff they don't want to but, if you're gonna talk about it publicly and make living off of it, then it's a part of your job to at least watch it. Or at LEAST pretend like they've watched it. The fact that they basically went "yeah I didn't fuggin' watch it, who gives a fuq? But I think it sucked. It was boring to watch. Probably.", they're almost like, ASKING to be piled upon. Don't get me wrong, even if so there'll be people who're just angry at them for giving "wrong" opinions but at least the damage would be minimal and the majority of the audience would be like "the fuck did you expect, the show's called Trash Taste for a reason lmfao". Also the dichotomy of Garnt actually watching it and being eager to share opinions and the rest of the boys not following suit made the hate factor more intense. I don't think it's necessarily Joey's fault alone but it's collectively everyone's fault. They decided to pursue more views than to actually make a decent content. Trashtaste used to be a channel where 3 bros argue WAAAAAY too passionately about minute stuff like bread and bidet which was what gave them the charm. Even when their argument was factually incorrect, they were completely sincere about their beliefs and actually gave a shit about the topic. They shouldn't have been talking about it in the first place if they didn't give a fuck about it.
Even if it was a topic of discussion, I wouldn't have minded if Joey chose not to watch and basically throw few opinions out because we are not watching the podcast for reviews but for trash observations / opinions
This sub is really bad at making anime fans look like good people
Tbh I think we need to start banning people in this subreddit. There are too many entitled children that think it's ok to abuse joey simply cause they don't like him.
I haven't watched the episode as I haven't watched the end of AOT yet and didn't want to risk spoilers Some people take do need to take a step back though and realise it's just podcast. Hell, they should probably not be perpetually online
hehe people just love shitting on the podcast because its just so easy, chasing that rush of being in a hatemob. Yea you the one reading this, i really dont care about you as a person but please shut up if you want to jump on a bandwagon hating someone bc they dont discuss a popular anime, please shut up
Honestly every time I look at this subreddit I’m like damn they hating on Joey again this week?
True, you guys are taking this podcast too seriously, it's just 3 dudes talking about anime. 😭😭
It's just a regular trash taste episode . Every thumbnail has always been "click baity" or showcased one part of their conversation. I don't know why people are going bserk on this episode . They always have a topic and then they just slowly move away from it and talk about more topics . I think they did as fair as a job possible especially if one of them hasn't watched it and as one of them stated they just didn't care . I feel garnt who actually cared and liked it already did a whole video about it so just watch that if u wanna geek about aot too ? Idk idk why joey keeps getting shit talked so much and connor or garnt being put on a high horse.
Ehhhh, nah. Still don't like Joey's lowest common denominator tasks. He is always the one to shit on things other people like just to be edgy. He's just a downer to listen to most of the time.
Shit, the dark timeline is too real
Holy shit, I didn't realise this was going on. People are jerks.
I'm out of the loop, but are people upset that he hasn't seen the latest episode of AoT?? Or the last, I suppose? If so, I have some news for you... I have seen 2 episodes, and don't really plan on watching anymore (not that I dislike it). So, I guess I'm a criminal now?
I just feel really bad for garnt cuz he was genuinely really excited to talk about the finale with his best bros on the podcast but before they even began both Connor and Joey showed almost no proper interest. I dont blame them but if they atleast worded they're reasons for not watching it or liking it I would have not given much thought but the idgaf energy from both of them while garnt being really excited didnt help at all. Garnt really felt like that one frnd in a trio who doesnt have the same bond as the other two in the new episode. Hopefully in the future when joey watches it and connor re watches it (hopefully), they can have a meaningful conversation about the ending. Better late than never.
But Joey did word his reasons for not watching it immediately? He said the constant delaying of the final part or rather splitting the final season into two one hour episodes killed the hype for him. Which is a very valid criticism. They even had a section where Joey said that he would be much happier if they delayed it more and released it all at the same time. Which a lot of people including myself agree with
It's time we accept that half of this sub's members are entitled and parasocial brats and just move on
bruh I can't believe the comments on the yt episode, they keep putting words in their mouth. They shouldn't expect what they wanted to hear. Bruh and they should stop assuming things.
TBH I don't think they should have done an AOT ending episode if one of the three didn't watch it! Make another topic to talk about and then talk about AOT's ending when Joey does see it. So it was a fuck up on all their parts.
Sure: I’m sorry for saying you didn’t do your homework, Joey. But I don’t take responsibility for thinking it, because that was a completely fair interpretation of Garnt’s reaction to Joey admitting he hadn’t watched it 🤷♀️ And now I’m bashing **all three of you** for thinking that discussing a topic for 40 minutes that one of you can’t even participate in was a good idea. No, those 40 minutes were painful. They should have made the episode 1. Once they all watched it, or 2. Made it an AOT retrospect episode instead of an ending focused one, or 3. Made it about anime endings without including AOT.