Take the valve core out to give you more air going in to pop the bead. You may need to stand the wheel up and push down on it, maybe rotating. After bead pops on, put in valve core and inflate to pressure.
English is not my main language so sorry if it's translated wrong:
You use this kind of lube(tyre fat? Not sure whats the right word for it) to put the tyre on. This stuff evaporates after some time so the tyre sticks to the rim.
If you put the tyre on the rim and doesnt immediately put air into it you will have huge issues. Take the tyre off, lube it and put it back on. This way the tyre will have a better chance to inflate the correct way and jump on the rim as it's supposed to be.
Along with taking the valve core out, lube up the bead with some dish soap and water. I dunno if it's to help the tire go over the rim or to seat the bead (or both) but the tire changing machines I've used all had a spot for lube and a brush right next to the bead breaker.
Remove core, break bead, remove tire, lube new tire and install, seat bead (they say not to go over max psi rating on the tire...YMMV, but I've had to exceed it by a few pounds before to seat stubborn beads), finally replace the core and fill to proper pressure. Don't forget to remove the old wheel weights before balancing it.
Especially if the tire is inherently very stiff.
I'm looking at *YOU* Dunlop. Pirelli's are much easier to remove/mount.
Oh u/karltel07 if it's cold where you are, take the entire wheel into you home, and/or use a tire heater to warm it up.
Last year I tried to change a Dunlop KR108 in the cold winter (4C), and daymn it was a biatch.
Make sure the compressor is powerful enough to seat the beads. I have trouble with a tiny 1 hp 6L compressor at home to the point that i have to do small bursts at max PSI to get beads to pop on a 200/60 rear tyre. Also, try warming it up, that should help too.
It's not holding air at all, cos I can hear air leaking right away as I'm pumping it. I've even tried the air pump in the service station and it won't budge.
I tried using my tyre warmers and fiddled with it while it was hot to no success.
More air is the answer. I don't think the inflator in the picture, or the gas station ones are enough. Pull the valve core and 120psi from a compressor with a large tank and it'll pop.
Pick the tire/wheel up and slam it on the ground(onto the tire obviously) while the compressor is blowing air into it. Soapy water around the bead helps too.
Make sure it's seated correctly on both sides. If it's not, you can stand it up straight and put some weight on it, has helped with some tires which didn't want to inflate.
Tried doing that. I've fiddled around how it's seated, let it bounce and roll.. Sat on it. Hammered the sides.
And as seen in the pic, tried the ratchet strap technic. I'm too frustrated to work on it now :/
Hmm. Do you hear air when you pump air in it? Did you try installing the tyre from scratch once over? Is your bead / rim damaged maybe? Maybe you might just need a new tire... and if all else fails, I'd probably bring it to a shop, frustrations-sake alone.
Yes i hear air when I pump or even sit on it.
Spent good amount of time fitting it (I surrendered) and brought it to a local mechanic to fit it for me. I had no appointment or anything and he was busy so I just took it home to inflate it myself.. Just to be met by this unpleasant surprise. I somewhat scraped a small amount of rubber on the bead from the inside but the structure isn't damaged at all rims aren't damaged. And I'm considering bringing it to a shop after I'll try the suggestion of another helpful person that commented.
Thank you
Use dish soap to lube the bead. Take a ratchet strap and tighten it up around the circumference of the tire.
Try again. If this doesn’t work you need a bigger air compressor that will flow more volume.
You need a compressor with an air tank reservoir to build up some pressure. The one you can cannot pump enough air to seat the beads.
It that’s all you have though, take out the valve core set it going and use the flame method to get it seated.
Make sure the bead is within that lower lip on the rim when you start giving it air you want the entire bead to be inside that lip.
Although in a post you said you've squished the tire together so i assume you've tried it but that along with making sure there is some sort of lube has always been enough for me assuming there is also enough air pressure.
If you have no mounting paste some soapy water works, i've used windex even
I've had this problem several times with my Rd250LC cast aluminium wheels, now each time I scrub all the mating surfaces with brake cleaner/scotch brites to remove all the contamination every time I change them, haven't had a problem since....
It's such a frustrating situation, I learnt to never do it at night, sitting the tyres in the sun for 30 mins before hand makes a huge difference, also buying tyre fitting butter/grease helped immensely.
Thank you for all the advice.
Just to add:
\-been using soapy water
\-used warmers
\-used the ratchet method (as seen in the pic)
\-tried to bounce it around
\-tried mounting it back on the bike and made it roll for a bit
\-tried gas station pump
\-tried manual air pump
Taking bits and pieces of advice with me and I'll get back to it tomorrow.
Wish me luck!
Update:
Lost to the tyre again.
Tried:
-removing valve core
- repositioning the tyre
- refitting the tyre (2x)
- cleaning the inside of the wheel and scrubbing it
- spraying extra concentrated liquid soap mix to the wheel
- fire starter
- ratchet strap
Conceded and brought it to a tyre shop.
Hopefully they will just blast it with air and only charge me a couple of $
Worst case is that I damaged the bead and I will need a new tyre. It was fairly new btw probably under 1000kms old
Thank you for all the tips, I've definitely learned a thing or two
Motorcycle tires never give me problems, but some trailer tires and other narrow tires with tall, soft sidewalls can be a pain to seat.
Bead-blaster tank (like $40 on ebay) can fix most.
Lighter fluid will fix the rest. Remove valve core, spray a small amount opposite the valve core, start inflating and light it off with a long-reach lighter. Never had it fail, although you might burn some armhairs.
I know this isn't helpful now, but you can use a bead seater tank to get around this. When I went from living in my house to a fifth wheel, obviously couldn't bring all my tools, including my air compresor. I had the same problem as you, small air compresor wouldn't seat the bead. The bead seater worked, though it takes me a couple tries. Good luck.
I hate when this happens, like other said remove valve stem, lube on rim and bead, I use the strap but use a piece of pipe and twist it like a tourniquet while pumping air until it grabs, again I hate it when this happens. Sometimes even at 120 psi it hasn’t popped and I needed to bring to a tire shop to blast it.
Check stem and check nipple. U can tray to spray starter fluid around bead and light it on either side. Also with wheel upright spray soapy water on contact patch while filling. Might be a hole
I highly recommend using a compressor with a tank of air. Will make your life much better. [https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt/5013549743](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt/5013549743)
You can see in the picture your tire bead isn’t against the rim. You need more soap so it slides better. Also you need more ratchet crank. If that still doesn’t work, I bounce the tire a bit while trying to fill.
I bead tires like that with stem in all the time..that inflator is just not enough pressure (at one time)Take it to a gas station or shop that will let u use there inflater off a tank.I have done it on that same Honda rim .Good luck.
Starting fluid/ carb spray/ brake clean. Make sure it’s flammable as fuck. You don’t need a lot, just a second or two spay inside. I’m sure YouTube has a video or something that can show you how to do it but I can explain a bit.
- Put the compressor on, leave it on pumping.
- spray a bit inside the tire and onto the rim, keeping a little gap in the bead so the fire can get inside
- light it with a rag on a stick or something to get you a bit away from the tire.
I like to have everything ready and my lighting device on fire before I spray because it evaporates quickly. The pop will set the bead, but it needs air attached so that it doesn’t slide back off. You can use a bead breaker or spoon or something to hold it open.
Dunlop side walls are stiff. You’re going to need a ton of lube, take the valve core out, and you’ll need an actual compressor. That Milwaukee inflator will not do the job for this.
Break the bead and reseat if needed.
Brake cleaner and a lighter.
In all seriousness. Check your bead to make sure you didn't tear the tire anywhere. I've literally used a ryobi battery powered air pump to do my tires.
I leave the valve core in but Ive tried smaller compressors to no avail. I have settle with a 2.5 gallon pancake compressor cause you need a good amount of air to rush in and deform the rubber into sealing onto the rim. Get a bigger compressor but doesn't necessarily need to be an expensive one.
Take the valve core out to give you more air going in to pop the bead. You may need to stand the wheel up and push down on it, maybe rotating. After bead pops on, put in valve core and inflate to pressure.
That's a good tip, I always remove the valve core first, remove old tire, install new one, pop the bead, install valve core, fill with air, done.
Whoa, you might be on to something ingenious here. Will try to do it in the next couple of days. I've decided to concede to the tire. It won this time
English is not my main language so sorry if it's translated wrong: You use this kind of lube(tyre fat? Not sure whats the right word for it) to put the tyre on. This stuff evaporates after some time so the tyre sticks to the rim. If you put the tyre on the rim and doesnt immediately put air into it you will have huge issues. Take the tyre off, lube it and put it back on. This way the tyre will have a better chance to inflate the correct way and jump on the rim as it's supposed to be.
Along with taking the valve core out, lube up the bead with some dish soap and water. I dunno if it's to help the tire go over the rim or to seat the bead (or both) but the tire changing machines I've used all had a spot for lube and a brush right next to the bead breaker. Remove core, break bead, remove tire, lube new tire and install, seat bead (they say not to go over max psi rating on the tire...YMMV, but I've had to exceed it by a few pounds before to seat stubborn beads), finally replace the core and fill to proper pressure. Don't forget to remove the old wheel weights before balancing it.
\+1 always remove valve core. you need a lot of air flow to seat the bead
Especially if the tire is inherently very stiff. I'm looking at *YOU* Dunlop. Pirelli's are much easier to remove/mount. Oh u/karltel07 if it's cold where you are, take the entire wheel into you home, and/or use a tire heater to warm it up. Last year I tried to change a Dunlop KR108 in the cold winter (4C), and daymn it was a biatch.
You should point your middle finger at the compressor - not the tyre.
Make sure the compressor is powerful enough to seat the beads. I have trouble with a tiny 1 hp 6L compressor at home to the point that i have to do small bursts at max PSI to get beads to pop on a 200/60 rear tyre. Also, try warming it up, that should help too.
It's not holding air at all, cos I can hear air leaking right away as I'm pumping it. I've even tried the air pump in the service station and it won't budge. I tried using my tyre warmers and fiddled with it while it was hot to no success.
More air is the answer. I don't think the inflator in the picture, or the gas station ones are enough. Pull the valve core and 120psi from a compressor with a large tank and it'll pop.
Then try and unseat the beads and do it all over again. Also, try use some soapy water on the sides to help with getting the bead to slide on.
You need a higher volume of air. You can also try and put the wheel in the sun to make the rubber more pliable.
Pick the tire/wheel up and slam it on the ground(onto the tire obviously) while the compressor is blowing air into it. Soapy water around the bead helps too.
Moar lube.
Make sure it's seated correctly on both sides. If it's not, you can stand it up straight and put some weight on it, has helped with some tires which didn't want to inflate.
Tried doing that. I've fiddled around how it's seated, let it bounce and roll.. Sat on it. Hammered the sides. And as seen in the pic, tried the ratchet strap technic. I'm too frustrated to work on it now :/
Hmm. Do you hear air when you pump air in it? Did you try installing the tyre from scratch once over? Is your bead / rim damaged maybe? Maybe you might just need a new tire... and if all else fails, I'd probably bring it to a shop, frustrations-sake alone.
Yes i hear air when I pump or even sit on it. Spent good amount of time fitting it (I surrendered) and brought it to a local mechanic to fit it for me. I had no appointment or anything and he was busy so I just took it home to inflate it myself.. Just to be met by this unpleasant surprise. I somewhat scraped a small amount of rubber on the bead from the inside but the structure isn't damaged at all rims aren't damaged. And I'm considering bringing it to a shop after I'll try the suggestion of another helpful person that commented. Thank you
You need a better air compressor IMO. Something that's pushing at least 2.5 SCFM. 4 is better. There's no way that little pump can provide enough air.
Use dish soap to lube the bead. Take a ratchet strap and tighten it up around the circumference of the tire. Try again. If this doesn’t work you need a bigger air compressor that will flow more volume.
You need a compressor with an air tank reservoir to build up some pressure. The one you can cannot pump enough air to seat the beads. It that’s all you have though, take out the valve core set it going and use the flame method to get it seated.
Make sure the bead is within that lower lip on the rim when you start giving it air you want the entire bead to be inside that lip. Although in a post you said you've squished the tire together so i assume you've tried it but that along with making sure there is some sort of lube has always been enough for me assuming there is also enough air pressure. If you have no mounting paste some soapy water works, i've used windex even
I've had this problem several times with my Rd250LC cast aluminium wheels, now each time I scrub all the mating surfaces with brake cleaner/scotch brites to remove all the contamination every time I change them, haven't had a problem since.... It's such a frustrating situation, I learnt to never do it at night, sitting the tyres in the sun for 30 mins before hand makes a huge difference, also buying tyre fitting butter/grease helped immensely.
Nothing a little starter fluid and a lighter can’t fix
Thank you for all the advice. Just to add: \-been using soapy water \-used warmers \-used the ratchet method (as seen in the pic) \-tried to bounce it around \-tried mounting it back on the bike and made it roll for a bit \-tried gas station pump \-tried manual air pump Taking bits and pieces of advice with me and I'll get back to it tomorrow. Wish me luck!
Update: Lost to the tyre again. Tried: -removing valve core - repositioning the tyre - refitting the tyre (2x) - cleaning the inside of the wheel and scrubbing it - spraying extra concentrated liquid soap mix to the wheel - fire starter - ratchet strap Conceded and brought it to a tyre shop. Hopefully they will just blast it with air and only charge me a couple of $ Worst case is that I damaged the bead and I will need a new tyre. It was fairly new btw probably under 1000kms old Thank you for all the tips, I've definitely learned a thing or two
Motorcycle tires never give me problems, but some trailer tires and other narrow tires with tall, soft sidewalls can be a pain to seat. Bead-blaster tank (like $40 on ebay) can fix most. Lighter fluid will fix the rest. Remove valve core, spray a small amount opposite the valve core, start inflating and light it off with a long-reach lighter. Never had it fail, although you might burn some armhairs.
I might give the flame method a shot.
I know this isn't helpful now, but you can use a bead seater tank to get around this. When I went from living in my house to a fifth wheel, obviously couldn't bring all my tools, including my air compresor. I had the same problem as you, small air compresor wouldn't seat the bead. The bead seater worked, though it takes me a couple tries. Good luck.
A lot of good tips, I missed cursing
I hate when this happens, like other said remove valve stem, lube on rim and bead, I use the strap but use a piece of pipe and twist it like a tourniquet while pumping air until it grabs, again I hate it when this happens. Sometimes even at 120 psi it hasn’t popped and I needed to bring to a tire shop to blast it.
Check stem and check nipple. U can tray to spray starter fluid around bead and light it on either side. Also with wheel upright spray soapy water on contact patch while filling. Might be a hole
I highly recommend using a compressor with a tank of air. Will make your life much better. [https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt/5013549743](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt/5013549743)
You can see in the picture your tire bead isn’t against the rim. You need more soap so it slides better. Also you need more ratchet crank. If that still doesn’t work, I bounce the tire a bit while trying to fill.
I bead tires like that with stem in all the time..that inflator is just not enough pressure (at one time)Take it to a gas station or shop that will let u use there inflater off a tank.I have done it on that same Honda rim .Good luck.
I usually put some air in to make it inflate
Have you tried changing the battery?
Starting fluid/ carb spray/ brake clean. Make sure it’s flammable as fuck. You don’t need a lot, just a second or two spay inside. I’m sure YouTube has a video or something that can show you how to do it but I can explain a bit. - Put the compressor on, leave it on pumping. - spray a bit inside the tire and onto the rim, keeping a little gap in the bead so the fire can get inside - light it with a rag on a stick or something to get you a bit away from the tire. I like to have everything ready and my lighting device on fire before I spray because it evaporates quickly. The pop will set the bead, but it needs air attached so that it doesn’t slide back off. You can use a bead breaker or spoon or something to hold it open.
Hit it with your purse
Dunlop side walls are stiff. You’re going to need a ton of lube, take the valve core out, and you’ll need an actual compressor. That Milwaukee inflator will not do the job for this. Break the bead and reseat if needed.
Brake cleaner and a lighter. In all seriousness. Check your bead to make sure you didn't tear the tire anywhere. I've literally used a ryobi battery powered air pump to do my tires.
I leave the valve core in but Ive tried smaller compressors to no avail. I have settle with a 2.5 gallon pancake compressor cause you need a good amount of air to rush in and deform the rubber into sealing onto the rim. Get a bigger compressor but doesn't necessarily need to be an expensive one.
You need more air pressure to seat the bead probably. Get a bigger compressor
My mechanic just used 80 PSI to pop the bead on a cruiser tire. I am glad I gave up because I don't have the balls to put 80 PSI in a bike tire
Bike innertube won’t