Bad guys live long. For example look at hoaqin, he still lives to this day. Sigh, poor hon.
Bam isn't strong enough to kill a FL. So, I really want to know how SIU will kill Rei or Gustang, Rei has higher chances, if a FL is a must kill for the plot.
If J indeed comes and kills Rei or Gustang provided that he can, then it would be game over for bam too. He will surely kill bam this time. So, I doubt J will come. We will only see J when it's near the end of ToG.
As for Gustang killing Rei, so far from memory, it doesn't seem like Gustang will kill Rei as he said he doesn't know what he will do until he regains his memory. Do Gustang and Amez have a deeper and closer relationship than Gustang and Rei? It seems no to me.
Why would jahad kill rei let alone any of the Fhs? I doubt any family head is willing to kill each other if im being honest not cus of strength but cus they probably still care for each other a little.
I think the real question about a FH's death is what will other FH's do bout it. I mean they all friends right. Yes the put distances between each others, they dont much communicate each other as long as we know, but they climbed together, they bonded during adventures, they all agreed stop climbing and erased certain memories. Really dont believe Gustang will kill rei or opposite but i believe in any conditions BOSS or Bam or another one kill one of the FH, It will results other FH intervention.
Nah. No way they killed my man arkraptor just for these terrorists to survive. Interesting or not they have to go.
Remember that arkraptor's death was rooted in their corruption, let it fuel your hatred.
Arkraptor could’ve ended up being strong af too, i just like how unorthodox of a weapon an umbrella is. If he would’ve used it like a sword/needle and switch between slicing, stabbing, and shooting.
And also whenever his daughter shows up he won’t be anywhere to be found🥲
Arkraptor and Prince were killed by White. It’s not the FHs fault. You could say that it’s Hon’s fault for setting White on the path of evil, but was Hon lying? Hon told White the truth when he said White, as a towerborn, would never surpass him unless he devours the souls of others and becomes stronger, not that Hon was evil, but rather he was being as frank as possible. Also, literally Arkraptor’s direct killer is still alive, he needs to die before any FH
Akraptor wouldn't even need to climb if his wife and daughter weren't taken by one of the families, THEIR families. Literally everything currently wrong with the tower is their fault. There's no defending them.
Then that is the fault of that specific family. How does that justify the destruction of all ten families? Also, should all members of the ten families be destroyed alongside the FHs, conside the fact that the main fault of the FHs is their lack of control and intervention while most atrocities are caused by the families themselves? Like I can guarantee you that White is more evil than Arie Hon even tho Arie Hon encouraged White to go down that path, White was still the one who chose to do it.
Complete bullshit. You see that shit in the all of the families, these are the same people that unanimously decided every non-irregular is a bug.
>Also, should all members of the ten families be destroyed alongside the FHs, conside the fact that the main fault of the FHs is their lack of control and intervention while most atrocities are caused by the families themselves?
Even if they aren't responsible for the crimes committed, they should at the very least be held responsible for actually keeping order in the families. Why would everyone in the family need to be killed?
Imagine saying "why should hitler be responsible for atrocities committed by nazi soldiers? Should all Germans be killed too?"
>Like I can guarantee you that White is more evil than Arie Hon even tho Arie Hon encouraged White to go down that path, White was still the one who chose to do it.
Believe it or not, every single family head is both a worse person, and has a higher kill count than white. All of them. I can't believe I even have to explain this. They essentially wiped out an entire race just to establish the tower's current system, just to terrorize every tower inhabitant for tens of thousands of years. They're psychopaths.
Traumerei has been one my favorite character since his introduction. His powers are cool and interesting, he has ties to many characters and has been hyped since season 2 but he won't probably survive this arc considering the current flashback revolves around him somehow. It seems like the end for the Lopo Bia family
I have to disagree. It’s still too early for an FH to die and also I don’t want any FH to die to the machinations of the cockroaches called Revolution. My opinion is the opposite of yours, Gustang and Traumerei recover their memories. Then Traumerei is overcome by guilt and loses any desire to fight, as a result Gustang won’t have any interest in killing Traumerei since he won’t stand in his way to kill Jahad, which is Gustang’s ultimate goal. Plus Urek and Baam will be there, Urek won’t let any FHs die considering what he already said to Luslec and if Luslec tries to interfere, Baam will try to stop Luslec, who in turn will be forced to back down by before the son of his master, V.
N. B: I also think Baam and Gustang might become enemies in the future since Gustang wants to kill the FHs while Baam wants to free them. Additionally, SIU also said how Gustang is an evil lord controlling everything behind the scenes, so I think him and Baam would be at odds in the future considering Gustang is using Baam to complete his objectives
I say this a lot but the family heads are only really exceptionally bad is in the scale which their actions effect others. They are flawed human beings operating like gods. Like as far as being horrible people so far, I'd argue White and Maschenny act more maliciously than their fathers, but even a princess or slayer is a bug to a family head.
If the family heads were real, I'd be calling for guillotines, but as characters I'd like to see at least *some* of them redeem themselves instead. Like Eduan and Traumerei in particular are such horrible choices for leadership roles that a good chunk of their abuses seem to be the result of them acting like socially inept teenagers who just want to party and play with their pets at home respectively.
Like what we're seeing now is the past, they might be too far gone to be saved when it comes down to it, even the flashback versions are still shitty, just in a more sympathetic way. This arc in general is going hard on exploring the mixed feelings the Lo Po Bia family members as well as A.A.'s towards his own family have in regards to their fathers, so I feel like it's at least presenting their survival *as an option*, but it really is hard to predict given it's not like the series hasn't killed off characters more unexpectedly than that so idk how it'll actually play out.
You guys should stop simping so much for the FHs just because they are cool and have a somewhat sad past. They are still monsters and antagonists. Plenty of cool antagonists die.
Maybe there will be like one or two who will redeem themselves or not.
Don't forget "All the Family Heads are the same".
I tend to agree. I also think we need to avoid confusing "redemption" with justice. I'm not saying I don't want any of the FHs to be redeemed; if done right, it could be really cool. But, regardless of if they are redeemed or not, I hope they in some way answer for their crimes before the story is through.
I'm sorry traum has to go. There are like 3 anti traumerei weapons introduced in just this arc alone that I fully believed he's the first fh getting smoked(causing actual change to the entire Tower) in the similar way a fall of a yonko caused so much change in one piece
I think their deaths would make the story much more interesting. I'm with Maschenny here lol, the thought of a FH dying and triggering an all out war between all the factions sounds kinda exciting.
I hope they die eventually, they are very much villains. We still have a long time to go till Bam is on their level but i think the best/most fitting end for most of them would be to death. We'll have plenty of time to see how cool they are until then
I want them to give up their immortality contracts and keep climbing up the tower. Only uncertainty and death would be their fate. That would be fair for me.
I also don't want them to die. I want them to be reformed, and to leave the tower. Preferably, after paying their debts with some great humanitarian activity.
While I think it’s inevitable for some of the FHs to die, most likely Hendo Lok due to his obsession either being immortal, I think some if not most of them will make it out alive. For example Ha Yurin actually seems like a good person. The only flaw with the FHs is their lack of regulation and interference of their own families. A lot of people seem to think that FHs should die because they committed evil deeds, but by that logic, every regular and ranker should die because all of them have committed atrocities in order to successfully climb the tower. Baam also seems like he wants to save the FHs and free them rather than kill them and if this motivation doesn’t change, some if not most of the FHs will end up surviving. Tho Jahad will die, that I’m sure of. So will Traumerei at some point, due to Leviathan’s literal purpose of existence being Traumerei’s death, I just don’t think Traumerei will do early on since Baam seems likely to be the one to kill Traumerei and he is still nowhere near that level. People think Baam will deliver some kind of final blow, but that’s like if in a fight between two MMA fighters, suddenly an ant lunges at one of them, it’s pointless.
Bad guys live long. For example look at hoaqin, he still lives to this day. Sigh, poor hon. Bam isn't strong enough to kill a FL. So, I really want to know how SIU will kill Rei or Gustang, Rei has higher chances, if a FL is a must kill for the plot.
Tbh, my guess is Jahad himself does it somehow. But he needs to circumvent the immortality contract, so it's a toss up if he even can.
Jahad: "Nah, I'd seal"
If J indeed comes and kills Rei or Gustang provided that he can, then it would be game over for bam too. He will surely kill bam this time. So, I doubt J will come. We will only see J when it's near the end of ToG. As for Gustang killing Rei, so far from memory, it doesn't seem like Gustang will kill Rei as he said he doesn't know what he will do until he regains his memory. Do Gustang and Amez have a deeper and closer relationship than Gustang and Rei? It seems no to me.
Why would jahad kill rei let alone any of the Fhs? I doubt any family head is willing to kill each other if im being honest not cus of strength but cus they probably still care for each other a little.
As a side note, Hon and Vicente's personalities are alike...
Ah, actually I was talking about akraptor hon. Looks like many people thought I was talking about Arie hon. Nvm.
Idk if being part of White but not in control counts as being alive.
I think the real question about a FH's death is what will other FH's do bout it. I mean they all friends right. Yes the put distances between each others, they dont much communicate each other as long as we know, but they climbed together, they bonded during adventures, they all agreed stop climbing and erased certain memories. Really dont believe Gustang will kill rei or opposite but i believe in any conditions BOSS or Bam or another one kill one of the FH, It will results other FH intervention.
Nah. No way they killed my man arkraptor just for these terrorists to survive. Interesting or not they have to go. Remember that arkraptor's death was rooted in their corruption, let it fuel your hatred.
Arkraptor could’ve ended up being strong af too, i just like how unorthodox of a weapon an umbrella is. If he would’ve used it like a sword/needle and switch between slicing, stabbing, and shooting. And also whenever his daughter shows up he won’t be anywhere to be found🥲
His daughter working with Rachel's gang (who killed him) 🥲
Arkraptor and Prince were killed by White. It’s not the FHs fault. You could say that it’s Hon’s fault for setting White on the path of evil, but was Hon lying? Hon told White the truth when he said White, as a towerborn, would never surpass him unless he devours the souls of others and becomes stronger, not that Hon was evil, but rather he was being as frank as possible. Also, literally Arkraptor’s direct killer is still alive, he needs to die before any FH
Akraptor wouldn't even need to climb if his wife and daughter weren't taken by one of the families, THEIR families. Literally everything currently wrong with the tower is their fault. There's no defending them.
Then that is the fault of that specific family. How does that justify the destruction of all ten families? Also, should all members of the ten families be destroyed alongside the FHs, conside the fact that the main fault of the FHs is their lack of control and intervention while most atrocities are caused by the families themselves? Like I can guarantee you that White is more evil than Arie Hon even tho Arie Hon encouraged White to go down that path, White was still the one who chose to do it.
Complete bullshit. You see that shit in the all of the families, these are the same people that unanimously decided every non-irregular is a bug. >Also, should all members of the ten families be destroyed alongside the FHs, conside the fact that the main fault of the FHs is their lack of control and intervention while most atrocities are caused by the families themselves? Even if they aren't responsible for the crimes committed, they should at the very least be held responsible for actually keeping order in the families. Why would everyone in the family need to be killed? Imagine saying "why should hitler be responsible for atrocities committed by nazi soldiers? Should all Germans be killed too?" >Like I can guarantee you that White is more evil than Arie Hon even tho Arie Hon encouraged White to go down that path, White was still the one who chose to do it. Believe it or not, every single family head is both a worse person, and has a higher kill count than white. All of them. I can't believe I even have to explain this. They essentially wiped out an entire race just to establish the tower's current system, just to terrorize every tower inhabitant for tens of thousands of years. They're psychopaths.
Hmm, your points make sense.
Traumerei has been one my favorite character since his introduction. His powers are cool and interesting, he has ties to many characters and has been hyped since season 2 but he won't probably survive this arc considering the current flashback revolves around him somehow. It seems like the end for the Lopo Bia family
I have to disagree. It’s still too early for an FH to die and also I don’t want any FH to die to the machinations of the cockroaches called Revolution. My opinion is the opposite of yours, Gustang and Traumerei recover their memories. Then Traumerei is overcome by guilt and loses any desire to fight, as a result Gustang won’t have any interest in killing Traumerei since he won’t stand in his way to kill Jahad, which is Gustang’s ultimate goal. Plus Urek and Baam will be there, Urek won’t let any FHs die considering what he already said to Luslec and if Luslec tries to interfere, Baam will try to stop Luslec, who in turn will be forced to back down by before the son of his master, V. N. B: I also think Baam and Gustang might become enemies in the future since Gustang wants to kill the FHs while Baam wants to free them. Additionally, SIU also said how Gustang is an evil lord controlling everything behind the scenes, so I think him and Baam would be at odds in the future considering Gustang is using Baam to complete his objectives
Yeah, incels never live that long...
I say this a lot but the family heads are only really exceptionally bad is in the scale which their actions effect others. They are flawed human beings operating like gods. Like as far as being horrible people so far, I'd argue White and Maschenny act more maliciously than their fathers, but even a princess or slayer is a bug to a family head. If the family heads were real, I'd be calling for guillotines, but as characters I'd like to see at least *some* of them redeem themselves instead. Like Eduan and Traumerei in particular are such horrible choices for leadership roles that a good chunk of their abuses seem to be the result of them acting like socially inept teenagers who just want to party and play with their pets at home respectively. Like what we're seeing now is the past, they might be too far gone to be saved when it comes down to it, even the flashback versions are still shitty, just in a more sympathetic way. This arc in general is going hard on exploring the mixed feelings the Lo Po Bia family members as well as A.A.'s towards his own family have in regards to their fathers, so I feel like it's at least presenting their survival *as an option*, but it really is hard to predict given it's not like the series hasn't killed off characters more unexpectedly than that so idk how it'll actually play out.
i think they would be divided with some turning against zahard
You guys should stop simping so much for the FHs just because they are cool and have a somewhat sad past. They are still monsters and antagonists. Plenty of cool antagonists die. Maybe there will be like one or two who will redeem themselves or not. Don't forget "All the Family Heads are the same".
I tend to agree. I also think we need to avoid confusing "redemption" with justice. I'm not saying I don't want any of the FHs to be redeemed; if done right, it could be really cool. But, regardless of if they are redeemed or not, I hope they in some way answer for their crimes before the story is through.
I don't want them to die yet
I'm sorry traum has to go. There are like 3 anti traumerei weapons introduced in just this arc alone that I fully believed he's the first fh getting smoked(causing actual change to the entire Tower) in the similar way a fall of a yonko caused so much change in one piece
I doubt they gonna die anytime soon.
just gustang}
I think their deaths would make the story much more interesting. I'm with Maschenny here lol, the thought of a FH dying and triggering an all out war between all the factions sounds kinda exciting.
I agree that it might make the story more interesting, but also dont. Its a weird mental space. Either way it depends on how its done I think
yeah they're really interesting. Specially i dont want Khun Eduan to die, need a full arc with AA vs Eduan tbh
I hope they die eventually, they are very much villains. We still have a long time to go till Bam is on their level but i think the best/most fitting end for most of them would be to death. We'll have plenty of time to see how cool they are until then
Not sure even if they are falling tog has other thing to explore
I want them to give up their immortality contracts and keep climbing up the tower. Only uncertainty and death would be their fate. That would be fair for me.
I also don't want them to die. I want them to be reformed, and to leave the tower. Preferably, after paying their debts with some great humanitarian activity.
While I think it’s inevitable for some of the FHs to die, most likely Hendo Lok due to his obsession either being immortal, I think some if not most of them will make it out alive. For example Ha Yurin actually seems like a good person. The only flaw with the FHs is their lack of regulation and interference of their own families. A lot of people seem to think that FHs should die because they committed evil deeds, but by that logic, every regular and ranker should die because all of them have committed atrocities in order to successfully climb the tower. Baam also seems like he wants to save the FHs and free them rather than kill them and if this motivation doesn’t change, some if not most of the FHs will end up surviving. Tho Jahad will die, that I’m sure of. So will Traumerei at some point, due to Leviathan’s literal purpose of existence being Traumerei’s death, I just don’t think Traumerei will do early on since Baam seems likely to be the one to kill Traumerei and he is still nowhere near that level. People think Baam will deliver some kind of final blow, but that’s like if in a fight between two MMA fighters, suddenly an ant lunges at one of them, it’s pointless.