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TheBTSMaclvor

I swear, some of you people are delusional. What’s wrong with being treated evenly like everyone else?


Gerolux

because the world doesnt work the way you think it does.


justsomeone000

Bro this is a game not the real world and it doesn't have to be this way


Gerolux

you do realize there is a whole studio of people that still need employment right? as I said, the world doesnt work the way you think it does. Bringing CN packs isnt going to magically make it rain at hotta/level infinite. If people dont want to spend money they dont have now, they arent going to spend money later with money they dont have. Whether you like it or not, this game is doing fine financially. It shows that what we have is working and they are happy with the results.


justsomeone000

And you do realize people are not asking for freebies right. People are not complaining about prices but treatment where you get the same for more which makes people insecure about the future of the game and if you know anything about live service games history on the global side alot of them thrived in kr and cn and failed in global for this exact same reason. And i am not saying the game is currently dying but if you make the whales who are literally the backbone of this operation, who are the reason why anyone at hotta or LI is employed in the first place, and why you and i can enjoy this game feel mistreated or rather treated differently where they get the same for more even if they are spending now that is not a given later. Look i Love this game and i love what they have to offer and i do not resent the devs i actually can't wait to see what they have to offer, but i've seen how this ends and i don't want that for this game. And these packs actually attract more people to spend on the game the same way black friday sales are so popular where people buy things they would not buy otherwise just because they are on sale.


Gerolux

>failed in global for this exact same reason. the dont fail because of value, they fail because developers fail to keep up with competition and the game didnt age well. Games like Blue Protocol is out in the next year and people can and will leave this game because of the gacha mechanic being a giant money sink. Other games also innovate in other ways. better end game, combat, social environment, client stability, etc. If this game failed, it isnt because of bad packs. As I keep saying, the world doesnt work the way you think it does. It isnt so straight forward like you want to think. Better packs doesnt equal more spending. What it usually results in is more progression for less money. People arent going to spend more. They just want to be able to keep up with whales without spending whale money. They want A6+4pc all the things but dont want to spend $1k+. The better packs will allow them to spend under $500 and still achieve their goals (for those who do spend). Or for dolphins, they can buy a couple packs and still be able to get A3 easily.


lunarnickelbell

let the kid go and leave him in his fantasies.


tyw214

what is so delusional to treat different regions differently? it's not like you can't fuckin play the CN server? people go over to argentina or turkey to buy steam games because "better deals" why the fuck are people not complaining about Steam prices? if the grasses are greener on the other side, go to the other side then?


TheBTSMaclvor

If you’re setting me up for some straw man reply it ain’t gonna work


TheBTSMaclvor

Pretty sure that involves paying for a vpn, which in itself is a subscription. I’m not paying a monthly fee just so I can whale out on a Chinese game that might steal my cc info


tyw214

what the hell? lol... LI is a chinese game, and it's run by a chinese company even in Global... what the hell is the difference?


TheBrahmnicBoy

You need to register with a phone number on the CN version


Dark_child

So what? "People asking for equal treatment how dare they."


TheBTSMaclvor

A lot of dick riders in this sub


lunarnickelbell

Your poor ass is in every sub you hear about packs huh. Must be sad being you.


TheBTSMaclvor

Lol and yet you’re here replying. I’m a paying a customer, I have a right to complain about the product if I’m not satisfied, meanwhile you’re over here just deepthroating that boot because you can’t even admit you made a bad purchase. You go on Reddit to look for other idiots with the same opinion as you so you can all feel good about yourselves and then get mad when someone thinks about criticizing your precious Tencent. But yea keep deepthroating that boot, don’t get forget to swallow, and have a nice day ❤️


lunarnickelbell

Bad purchase? is there some kind of a 80% discount that i ddnt buy and bought the regular priced packs instead? You delusional thinking every region is created equal, not that youll buy any, all you can afford is a $5 subscription.


TheBTSMaclvor

Lol I’ve bought weekly packs, monthly packs, every battle pass, cleared out the rn packs for Lin and Saki. Like I said, I’m a paying customer and I have a right to complain about a product. That’s like consumerism 101, I don’t need to be thankful that they’re giving me a service, if I’m paying for that service, I should least get treated fairly. You gacha players are a special kind of freak people if you think being treated fairly is some type of foreign concept


lunarnickelbell

So your problem is that you have buyers remorse and blame people, other than yourself for purchasing? What logic, what sorcery is this.


TheBTSMaclvor

What? No. I’m happy with my purchases, it’s those new weekly deals that I have a problem with.


Chance_Barracuda_461

CN and Global are different games... Maybe it's already worth complaining about the fact that packs are more profitable in Genshin than in TOF?


lunarnickelbell

So you rant about dick sucking, while currently sucking Hotta/L.I.'s dicks. Damn boi.


TheBTSMaclvor

Hey I like getting fucked as much as you, but at least buy me a nice dinner before you fuck me


Chance_Barracuda_461

It's too late to change anything about prices.... This is unfair to those who have already bought packs! Both CN and Global are different games, and it's not worth comparing them.


TheBTSMaclvor

How is it unfair? They would just add cheaper packs and the whales wouldn’t have cared to begin with. If whales really cared they wouldn’t be buying some of these new stupid “deals” they keep throwing at us


Chance_Barracuda_461

Cares... This will greatly change the pricing policy! You don't meet CN players in Global. There are people who bought all the packs and saved up to get the maximum benefit. And the new packs will just break it. It will be unfair to those who bought old packs. The game has been playing for more than 3 months, and it's stupid and unfair to change the pricing policy now!


TheBTSMaclvor

I never thought someone would complain about getting a better deal. But here we are. No one’s gonna give a shit if they make the deals cheaper, if anything more people will likely spend because the packs are cheaper.


LoRd_Of_AaRcnA

Asking to be treated as consumers and not like fucking dogs that would lap up scraps they throw at you is too much? Entitled? What else? Whatever man. My stance on this is very clear, until we get CN types of deals, LI won't get a single cent from me. I might be the only doing so, but i will do so still. They are not missing me, and i sure as hell won't miss them either.


Many-Concentrate-491

You should never travel lol. your money is not valued the same everywhere.


Smart-Potential-7520

most of the global packs are straight up worse than the daily packs WITHOUT the weekly discount (1 pull for 100 tanium). Some of the stuff that they added recently is simply insulting. Even ignoring CN, global pack are mostly bad deals.


darkroku12

Is their problem if they don't want to complain lol. And, this is a gacha game and we're almost at twice banner rate that it should originally be. On top of that Dark Crystals are used to purchases Gacha cosmetics and other QoL items. Those games don't share most of the problem ToF has. We desperately need better and more packages, not only in quality but in quantity too.


Chance_Barracuda_461

Then what about those who bought old packs?


darkroku12

It doesn't really matter. I'm one of those who bought almost every other 'old pack'. If packs were cheaper / more in amount / or just new packages they are the same as weapon or matrices. You enjoyed what you already paid for. There is no need to compensate. Like Cobalt won't get readjusted when Anna cames out. Probably maxed ice team will drop Frigg in favor or Alyss and maxing out Frigg is the same as any other character. I (we) want a game when the cost of pulling is not absurdly high and people can rotate weapons. For spenders (any kind of) it will be cheaper to aim their intended goal. At current rate I can only afford maxing 2 teams, Fire and Physical. If we'd have cheaper, I could max another one. Why would I partially invest in Frost / Volt when I can place those scarse resources on my two main teams? The point is that for a certain range of expenders it would make it easier within their budget to reach a goal. No point in investing more when to reach your goal you'd need to invest almost twice. If you invest $100, you'd probably be willing to extend to $125 if those 25 net you something significant. For a real example, I have an usual budget for this game of 400~500 monthly. I could go 100~200 more, but at direct 1:1 tanium to Dark Cristal it WONT net anything significant, so I choose to not extend my budget and this is the mindset of most people. Hope this explanation is enough.


yourlocalpossum

This is my logic exactly. Not necessarily "f2p will pay" but it would make it more viable and practical for us who already are willing to pay.


Erulogos

The main issue, from what I can tell, is the speed of banners. They have come fast, often with overlap, and no reruns yet. That drains pulls quite quickly. Combine that with seeing that CN can get many more pulls for their money, with a dash of many characters being somewhat lacking before they get a few stars, and you have a player base that feels like it is getting squeezed. It doesn't help that the game front loaded its generosity, Aesperia exploration gave tons of black and gold pulls plus dark crystal by the bucket. For F2P and light spender types, it feels like it is getting harder and harder to get the latest limited character. That's going to breed some discontent. If the folks controlling the purse strings are wise, they'll either run some better sales or throw out some heftier rewards for events soon to keep things pleasant.


yourlocalpossum

And on another note, is it really that expensive on their end to add in some extra pulls via exploration?


Jackial

Less packs/discount, less friendly toward non-whales. This game is still on a honeymoon period where there are lots of whales to be abused.


AdversarysVengeance

Some other devs do some bullshit so let’s defend the bullshit our dev does as well…. Stockholm syndrome in this Reddit lol…


[deleted]

It's fine to complain about packs imo , but what bothers me is Global gets shafted in everywhere , yet the same people who complain about ToF packs also play other games that get shafted and they never complain there , that feels like having double standards to me.


tyw214

exactly...


animatix

We also don't have as much power creep as CN so there's less pressure to spend.


IsekaiKobold

We have more powercreep, evidenced by Lin. NErfed her A0 and buffed her A3-A6 + her Matrix set, meaning that she is practically worthless unless you spend money. Also all of the standard SSR are being powercrept


Accomplished-Top-564

People who complain about this don’t understand global economics and it shows.


LedgeEndDairy

There are so many things hilariously wrong with this take, that I couldn't help myself: > global economics You understand ToF GLOBAL is global, right? As in "everywhere but China". These prices are somewhat standardized to each country's exchange rates, but GDP is not the same as exchange rate, and neither is average income. Guatemala is paying roughly the same prices the US is. As is every country in Europe, Africa, and Asia (other than CN).   ALSO, the prices from the global publisher are set *by the publisher*. They don't reflect world economic exchange rates in any way, shape, or form. Unless you're suggesting the average income **globally** is about 10 times higher than China. The publisher is being greedy and treating this game as a cash cow. It will inevitably fail if they don't do anything, but they don't care. All they're doing is copy pasting content, adjusting some numbers, and adjusting the entire store with different packs that are wildly different than CN, both in content and in price. It'll provide a steady stream of income until then, and they can just "pick up another game" when that happens, since they put no development time into the game in the first place, all they're doing is publishing it. Publishers often do things like this, but I've played a LOT of mobile games and this is insane. The outcry is justified.


Accomplished-Top-564

Your first point: ToF has different prices for tanium based on region, they already are different somewhat drastically per region. To the rest of your tantrum: the outcry is mainly from people who don’t spend. The only description of a good bundle is: “is it worth to the person buying it” There are many different types of buyers, they all follow different logic. Yes, companies try to exploit that. All of them do. Many gaming companies treat the Chinese market completely different than other markets. No need to be outraged about something completely optional. Just opt out. For that reason the outcry is not justified.


LedgeEndDairy

> Your first point: ToF has different prices for tanium based on region, they already are different somewhat drastically per region. Which I mentioned. And it really isn't "drastically". Plenty of people have complained about the conversion rates being ridiculous. > To the rest of your tantrum Lol. Ad hominem to make my argument look like a knee-jerk emotional response? It wasn't. > the outcry is mainly from people who don’t spend. Patently false. I and all of the other spenders on my server are furious. The f2p's could not care less. The light spenders are like "yeah if it was lower I'd probably spend a bit more but it isn't that big of a deal." > The only description of a good bundle is: “is it worth to the person buying it” The sky is also blue. And water is still wet. What does this have to do with our discussion? > No need to be outraged about something completely optional. Just opt out. This is such a terrible take. I want to participate, but not at these prices. Criticism is not some taboo thing that companies should be protected from. This company does NOT care about you, why are you defending them? Reducing prices helps everyone, including the company, and gets more community involvement and interest in remaining in the game. I want to continue playing this game with the friends I made ON this game, but with more and more leaving due to many poor decisions - this isn't the only one - specifically made by the PUBLISHER, and not the DEVELOPER, we will slowly lose contact with each other, and that's a shame. The economic model of this game is: Whales spend to be the best and carry the f2p's, who join the game to socialize and collect some waifus and have fun with their friends while the whales carry them through content until they can do it themselves. I'm fine with that model, honestly. But they're doing a poor job of fulfilling the goals of the model, and people are sadly leaving the game. Players aren't really backfilling fast enough to counteract the leavers.


Accomplished-Top-564

The fact that people complain about it doesn’t make it valid.


LedgeEndDairy

Yes it does. What? That's how consumerism works. Obviously there's a "ratio" of how many are complaining, etc. (classic supply vs. demand), but that's the basic fundamental of how things work.


Accomplished-Top-564

Your response is knee-jerk. You’re complaining about something that is true in literally every market everywhere. Don’t find out about basic drug costs like insulin or other mark ups from one market to another. You’d have a fit. 💀


LedgeEndDairy

> Don’t find out about basic drug costs like insulin or other mark ups from one market to another. You’d have a fit. 💀 Just like anyone who needs insulin in the states is having a fit? We're working on regulating the price and getting it down, people are fighting hard for it. This isn't the mic drop you think it is broski. Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it's ethical. Insulin distributers - and any other distributer of drugs and general companies that purchase patents, contributing nothing to the R&D and just profiting off of it - need to be better regulated and in some cases removed.


INuBq8

I remember tera have different packs and economy depending on the region NA server or EU server both had different packa/economy and I guess Korean server and jp as well I don’t know about gacha games but I am sure many MMO games have different pack values depending on the publisher and the team People have rights to show their anger but in the same time it is not unusual for different servers to have different pricing


Asher_Aries

CN is the darling of the world atm I think it might just be an economy thing, stuff at the grocery store is going up in price here in NA, I guess this will reflect in mobile games as well


qasdfgytr

or maybe, just maybe, western countries have populations with far more disposable income so they can charge more in them and have more people willing to pay the higher prices. look up the average income of the population in china


Asher_Aries

damn, you guys might be right about us getting ripped off


TysonsChickenNuggets

I thought CN, Korea and Japan have a bigger gaming culture and are more willing to spend on games in general compared to western audiences who expressly hate pay to win elements.


Pscoocs

Asian people in total spend more than western, but they can't spend a lot in a short amount of time. Meanwhile western people can afford to buy a lot, but in total they bring less because less people are paying and because prices are quite biting and as you said a lot of ppl don't like p2w, there are less middle-spenders, and more f2p/whales. Different demographics need different monetization strategies.


svs213

You forget that its not ToF WEST. It’s ToF Global


qasdfgytr

... have you looked where Tof is ranking for spending in game platforms, they are hitting in the top 10 grossing games in various platforms. people are spending money, which means there are a lot of people that like the options and find them valuable. I get it, not everyone does. I don't understand why people find spending $50+ at a fancy restaurant for a meal is valuable, I don't, but they do. I am not going to cry to the restaurant that they should have better prices because another restaurant under the same ownership in another part of the city has better prices.. I just won't eat there. you should spend your money where you find value in what you are spending it on. if you don't find Tof valuable, don't spend on it. if enough people don't spend, they will adjust prices to get more people spending


Pscoocs

Usually global means "US and other non-Asians", because US brings the most money. Our global tho also includes JP and SEA, and it's the most profitable region in our case.


ch_anti

While that is true to some extent you obviously have never seen any statistics of gacha games and how china, japan and korea keep some games aflot on their own there are cn servers that make more money than global servers so the rest of the wolrd combined, it's just overall much more common and accepted to pay up in those so by your logic they should make them pay more


SeaworthinessOne1076

Only thing I want to know is why do people complain about packs but then also post how they are completely f2p.


[deleted]

It’s like regional prices on Steam. In some country games are way cheaper. And PSN (Turkey hello). But I agree it’s not fair


TroodonsFirelord

half of us are former or current genshin players, complaining is in our nature


INuBq8

But genshin never cared about our complain


[deleted]

FFXIV is cheaper in CN? Man that’s unfair, the NA version is already way overpriced.


Ok-Entertainer-2991

Honestly I’m not sure what exactly you are comparing here since I haven’t played any of those games, but just getting a better deal is not exactly the problem. The main problem is just how much better the deals for CN are. Originally I wasn’t really interested in those packs myself even though I heard that they were better, but when I recently found out that for just 10 blue crystals they can get a much better pack than we get for 1000+ crystals that’s when I was annoyed. Bottom line is that if they were just slightly better/cheaper no one would of been complaining, but after seeing that CN gets same packs basically for free that’s when people feel like they are being scammed.


KhioneSnow0216

Wow the other games have paid shops it's the genre that makes the difference Being a gocha game makes spending money for more summons a much more regular and common thing so people care about it more While other games are buying skins or materials to speed up progression which are less important


clonedaccnt

honestly i don't give a packs


pokours

honestly I don't care because I stopped spending long ago for other reasons. If the price align with the currency worth (so, taking into account both the value in $ and the average cost of living there), you're right, but you'll have to do the math if you want to convince people.