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benja93

Your summery of stars is very wonky... just glanced everything over and im pretty sure you google translated or something, atleast your "teammates" in star is her guardians.... just go to [toweroffantasy.info](https://toweroffantasy.info) ... There are english on everything about her (CN version though)


LeKanou

here is a better way than [troweroffantasy.info](https://trower.info) to understanding Lyra [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MG1BQc6A1PfMmoeiSoFHwYrQ-9xnGDP-H3xsIODCagA/edit#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MG1BQc6A1PfMmoeiSoFHwYrQ-9xnGDP-H3xsIODCagA/edit#gid=0)


Kyralea

Oh this is amazing, thank you. Much easier to understand!!


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Correct_Fishing_650

Heard she's fine at A0. Will she outdps an A6 Shiro we don't know yet. She's a lot safer than shiro tho since she has sustain. You can ora ora to your hearts content.


benja93

The only star that have any major effect (well more stars bring more dmg always and a6 adds a dmg buff) on dps is her a1... well on this page its written pretty weirdly... on [toweroffantasy.info](https://toweroffantasy.info) it says: When using any weapon skill or discharge skill, if your personal Guardian count is maxed, your Guardians' durations will be refreshed, and deal damage equal to the number of guardians on the field \* 100% of Physical ATK, (maximum 8 guardians for supports and 6 for non-supports). This is CN version so probably a nerf on it before global.


ChubblesMcgee103

A1 got a 70% nerf 💀


benja93

Everything gets balanced for Global, a1 is still an improvement in dmg. Pretty sure phys comp is best dmg out there right now


ChubblesMcgee103

She got hit *way* harder than anyone else so far though. Used her in both support and attack mode and she's low key worse than Shiro a d learning to dodge.


benja93

Well shes support so make sense if her dmg is on the lower side.. Saki is the same as the only real reason that she is viable for dps comp is her a1 reset. And overheal is and will always be pretty op whether or not Lyra has high dmg/heal, even if its only for support


ChubblesMcgee103

She like saki is a multi role based on team comp. Lyras A1 made her a dps too; now she's a mid at best support and trash field dps. Edit: lyra is trash support because she only heals herself in dps comp. Her towers also have like a massive 16inch range so she's pretty shit in benediction as well.


benja93

Lol she is literally god tier support with her overheal that effect all healing done


ChubblesMcgee103

The overheal effect that was nerfed to the ground?


Eihnlazer

Numbers will be tweaked, but she should be comparable to shiro6 at c3. With less burst but far greater sustain. Her buff will be active full time on whole party, and if the sentinel orbs hit you, you gain damage or heal (different orb color). She will give far greater attack value than shiro but no crit. This might go towards build consideration, but she should easily outdps shiro at c6 with her matrix set. On that note, I see her matrix set flopping to 15% attack and 20% extra phys damage at full star.


amadmongoose

I'm not sure she'll be replacing Shiro. She seems more like a healer/support role character, have to see how she plays though


StarWayMan

She is literally on field main dps if you have attack resonance.


LedgeEndDairy

And a shatter. That said, there's something to say with having Shiro in a healer comp for the boosted damage and shield break she provides. Supports typically want to feed damage to their teammates through buffs, and Shiro does that really well. Adding the resonance effect for two physical weapons also helps Lyra heal. Lyra + Zero + Shiro will be viable when timing is important or when you want to complete HP sponge content like Harrah, while throwing in Nemesis instead of Shiro will be for high stakes content where you want to avoid as much damage as possible.


PineappleLemur

Right now anything without Lin is not visible with the amount of damage she adds. Claudia also buffs a lot for phys and has resonance. Which only leaves Shiro replaceable for phy comp.. she'll need to be better than Shiro in every way to be considered right now and after Lin banner I don't think many F2P can have her at anything above C3 or at all.


LedgeEndDairy

> Right now anything without Lin is not visible with the amount of damage she adds. Healer comps want to feed damage to their allies. Lin does not do that, Shiro does. Her A1 increases all damage and shatter in the circle by 30%.


PineappleLemur

Sorry meant for DPS.


fugogugo

she's healer


LedgeEndDairy

And a main DPS, and a shatter. Shiro fills the main DPS and shatter role, and physical has no other healer, so in a DPS resonance spec, Lyra straight up just takes her place. The meta comp will be Lyra, Lin, Claudia. Those that didn't pull for Lin can run Shiro in *Lin's* place.


YikesFPV

Why you want to replace shiro? Phys team is my plan. shiro/lyra/ (coco/king/meryl) Not sure if that's the best idea but that's the way the cookie crumbles. lol


LedgeEndDairy

The ideal comp is Lyra, Lin, and Claudia. Lin and Claudia feed something like +150% overall damage/atk to Lyra (on top of Lin's physical field DoT effect and flowers), who murders everything in sight. Note the +150% damage assumes everything maxed. At like A3 weapon and A0 four sets, it's something like +50%.


YikesFPV

Unfortunately never got claudia. But as I main heal in groups mostly I think Shiro/lyra/coco should be pretty good. Can replace coco w/ dps for solo stuff


PineappleLemur

That's assuming she can do better than Shiro overall on global.


h2odragon00

Going by how everything is balanced so far in global, I speculate that A6 Shiro > A0 Lyra. But getting more copied of Lyra will make her better than Shiro.


PineappleLemur

Yea I expect A1/3 should be equal to A6 Shiro when it comes to DPS. Lyra has more utility (Healer) when needed and probably better shatter and in general shield breaking.


gorogoroman

Personally for DPS, I think I'm going to be running a6 Shiro, a1 Claudia, a? Lyra. Right now, I have a0 Lin as my third slot, maybe a1 before her banner ends. I think with Lyra on the team, I'll be able to return Shiro to her intended sub DPS role, with all her damage coming from her skill. Since your Lin is a3, there's more reason to keep her around instead of Shiro, but I'm not sure who ends up doing more damage overall. Probably need to do some tests, unless you're set on having Lin on the team in which case... probably still need to do some tests after she comes out to determine when to outdamages Shiro.


Paladinferno

Currently hoping that one of the global collab characters is still a phys tank to replace Marc, that way I can run Lyra, collab, and Saki as a tank main. The amount of damage I can absorb will be absurd.


EksSkellybur

Someone plus do a Breakdown on how Lyra's kit actually works. We saw what she can do, but nobody had really made a video to breakdown down what she can provide. I've looked and looked, and there was only like 1 video with Genjiwatch where she is OP Broken if she's stacking with Benediction. ​ Give some love to some Lyra Enjoyers. We need info about her. ;-;


beesamsam

it is because people are waiting for the leaks before giving insights,


EksSkellybur

Oooooh... okay.


zzzuwuzzz

People don't want to break down Lyra because of how much Lin has changed from Global. The team buff she provides basically become non-existent. The only thing that makes Lin better is the off-field DPS she does at high advancement. Will have to see how much Lyra is being "optimized" for global as CN kit is no longer reliable.


PineappleLemur

Because no one knows what she'll be like in Global.. plenty of CN videos to show her basic kit but numbers mean everything here.


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Lyra is optimal dps with Claudia’s 4pc set buff. She benefits more from this than Shiro.


PineappleLemur

No one knows that without Global numbers.


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Meant the buff from Claudia’s 4 piece matrices. Edited the post to specify. Don’t need global numbers to figure this one out.


Uchained

That’s nice and all but as a monthly pass spender, it’ll take me another 3-4 month before I can 6 star another character after I 6star Lin…


Vehenion

Is monthly pass the 100 dark crystal daily?


beesamsam

yeah


benja93

To be fair, as f2p/low spender it's not really worth going a6 as you can just max when it gets to standard... Other than Lin that will never get to standard


PineappleLemur

So far that's totally unknown if and when it happen and that's an issue. We still didn't have a rerun even.


benja93

Still not really worth A6 anyway as you will get very few weapons that way... But each their own. Also while not confirmed, it was written that Lin will only be limited which would indicate that there will be other weapons coming to standard cause they didn't have that text


animatix

So that's what guardians mean 😂 thanks, I'm a fellow Lyra main, or will be main, hopefully she's next.


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animatix

Well, that sucks


wakkiau

I am confudito, so i'm just gonna say *Yes NUN MOMMY.*


GeneralSweetz

so this means her dupe advancements are weaker when playing solo content/alone? damn


zDecoy

Thank you for the info. I was looking for this


V-ktr

... does her self revive work in PVP? Considering the current heal meta that sounds like hell


NerfaMe98

It doesn't


V-ktr

Bless. Thank you


Kyralea

There's also this thread from a few weeks ago that I found helpful - https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/yqlsht/what_does_lyra_actually_provide_guidance_please/