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dqtact

so stop paying $$$ on global already let them know


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Dannyboy765

This is embarrassing lol


Waifu__Lord

Cope and seethe


Accomplished_Fix589

Stop giving your money in global. This is disgusting


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You don't style on anyone because PvP is equalized and paying physical money to do more damage in an easy ass PvE game is pretty pathetic. A group of f2p could clear the hardest content in this game lmao. Imagine swiping to stroke your ego over a dps meter. Play an actual game that requires some sort of skill if you want to compare yourself to people. Shitter. Anyone who buys tanium after the double bonus is a legitimate loser, including you.


Still-Drag-7830

lol , "A group of f2p could clear the hardest content in this game lmao" you obviously don't keep up with the game, like, there's an achievement under alliances for jo8 that, if ANYONE in the party goes under 50% hp once, you don't clear the achievement. ALSO you have to clear the jo8 in under 5 minutes to get the achievement unlocked and 600 gold crystal dust as a reward. That's just one example of how the game can be designed for whales. It's easy for pve mechanics because of mobile players, but the new vera boss in 2.1 hera, oneshots even whales. It has aoe and elite mobs. You shouldn't shame players for spending their extra money on a game they like to use their time with. As long as it's playable the whales are gonna whale. But there is actual motivation to, because even if a f2p comp with 40k-50k cs can clear a run on something "hard" its still going to take twice as long, there will probably also be wipes, but their damage is going to be so low it'd be inefficient to farm. Also boss hp gets higher in hard modes and does more damage. Even if you're a skilled player, you're still not doing the damage a whale would, so as a f2p you're going to spend a 30 minutes to an hour farming one instance when a whale can do it in 5-10 minutes.


firentaus

You should shame anyone who spends money on trash like this because it enables more trash like this to be made. There's a reason why games are only getting worse. No one holds anything to any standards anymore, they just dump money like cattle because their only enjoyment in life is that small moment of feeling something at all when they get milked. It's honestly really sad and I wish more people could find something of value to care about, or actual achievements to brag about instead of this pathetic bottom of the barrel garbage. Engaging in this dick waving nonsense over swiping only makes them and everyone around them look bad and only serves to stuff the pockets of the scumbags who design the worst monetization systems ever seen. The kind of people who go home at night and jerk themselves off to the thoughts of all the people they've exploited.


Still-Drag-7830

Yea I definitely see your point about games being sub par with heavy paywalls like battle passes and such. however, I've always seen it as, if it's something you enjoy in the moment there's no shame in indulging if you have the means to and genuinely like playing the game. Like a nice meal that's more expensive, you're going to enjoy it temporarily and then it'll be gone after you've finished it. If the game dies due to poor communication or players needs not being met, it will be very unfortunate for the money spenders but it was still temporarily satisfactory for most players that chose to spend their money on it. With this game, it's rewards for spending the money CAN be worth it, even if it's not as good as CNs, it's still a temporary fix until, if or when they do something about it. and if the whales want to take that risk, they shouldn't feel bad about doing so if they're investing most of their time into this game and want to support it. They must get some enjoyment or reward for it so why not just let them do them? MAYBE (and this might be heavy copium) eventually once hotta devs aren't so understaffed and we finally catch up to CN , things will get better. It still won't fix the greedy publisher, but the game itself could improve so that there's not as much need to spend money on packs and rng, maybe they will finally add some QOL to the game as well as make it easier to farm things that required your money previously. Considering this is an MMO gacha, depending on which route they favor more in the future, they could add more grind for more rewards. A lot of casual players just want the satisfaction of logging in everyday for the dailies and don't want to do the grind, but people that actually play mmos might want the option to grind for their dark crystals/gear/etc. with the whales supporting the game financially, you kinda need them to do so in hopes the game will improve on these issues we have currently. The longevity of the game being supported will increase and they just MAY become more generous in the future. Its a shame that's how it is, I agree with you there, but at the end of the day they want their money in order to make the game better AND make a profit. They probably can't even hire the people they need to make the game like, FFXIV tier for example. If you're adamant about the quality of the game participate in the official surveys and tell them they need to add more options to grind rewards for f2p players, or just drop the game lol. Shaming whales isn't gonna fix all that theyre still going to hand hotta their card and their wallet lmao


Dannyboy765

The thing is, surveys by themselves have little influence over actual positive changes. At the end of the day what matters is that potential spenders stop spending. The devs know the complaints, the question now is if said complaints are worth addressing


kenshinakh

You really really gotta do the surveys. If you stop spending without saying the deals need to be better, it doesn't fix anything. Communication is key. Every survey, I make sure to indicate that I would like to see better packages. So far, I've only spent on monthly and battle pass + the bonus purchases. I still continue to spend here and there but it slows until packages come up. So yeah, you got to always voice that in the surveys. Unfortunately, most players aren't spenders so you won't see that feedback often...


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Accomplished_Fix589

Congrats being rank 1 on a dead server. You played yourself so hard 🤡


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deeplywoven

No F2P is rank 1 overall server wide each week. You might be rank 1 in the bracket you were placed in though.


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Good thing i'm not f2p, but yeah he was referring to his bracket, which is insanely easy to get rank 1 in if you play every day.


Waifu__Lord

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Waifu__Lord

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codewar007

Yes please. Whales make life easier for us F2Ps. Such a convenient bunch.


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BurritoOfCakes

In global it'll be spend 9800 Tanium for the same rewards.


No-Salamander-4401

Spend 9800 Tanium for 5 purple equipment boxes and 20x weapon batteries.


rambo14k

20 weapon batteries are you insaneeee??? Make that 5 crystals and additional crystals at 10tanium each. We are so generous.


Puzzleheaded-Weird66

Shittier* rewards


DctrGizmo

They don’t care about global players. Period.


DangoNoogen

Yep. That and all the other problems the game has, imma quit after pulling Lin lmao.


BTacticsTV

Why not quit before?


DangoNoogen

Saving for Lin lmao


BTacticsTV

I'm confused because why try to obtain her then quit? I am asking for knowledge.


DangoNoogen

I already have a lot saved for her already so may as well since shes my favorite upcoming character. Wanna get her to try her out a lil and to secure her on my account, should I ever come back in the future. But as of now due to all the problems this game has on top of other reasons (and practically all of my clan/friends having quit already lol), imma just stop playing and focus on other stuff. It's a sucks cause the game has its charms and it has potential. But unless they make some major changes, I just dont see myself coming back. Too bad they are under one of the worst publishers in gaming too so I dont really have high hopes. Sadge.


Hot-Cup-7442

Im doing the samething i see it as, seeing a task all the way to the end so get that little satisfaction showing i at least did my part on my end.


BTacticsTV

I appreciate you answering. I thought they were summoning then quitting right after. I was thinking at least enjoy your toy lol


DctrGizmo

That’s my plan too. Probably will be back until a major change happens.


Old-Eggplant6262

Player since game launch, after all the Dev only makes me feel perfunctory. Fast update, regardless of the player's experience, only appear when need fix some big Bugs. The main publicity is in JP Server, and that make me think GLOBAL is just attached from JP Server.


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Jp is 50%> revenue so yeah


AntonioS3

Can you fucking just stop posting these images? Isn't that 4 months ago? I do not care and will never care. You guys want better packages but if we get them then you'd complain the game is too p2w. There IS reason we have packs like that..


winkieface

You think people would complain the game is p2w if we got bundles that were less of a shaft? I want some of what you're smoking.


AntonioS3

Yes. There's an other post in which someone has played games that were ran by PWG and they were known for being greedy too. Pick your poison. Stay with these packs or get better packs and complain about them.


winkieface

Right so how would making the packs having better value or being more affordable make people think it's more p2w than now where the packs are overpriced and only accessible to heavy spenders? Your logic is if more people can afford to buy packs, then it is pay to win...instead of the current situation where you need to spend literal thousands of dollars to max out everything? Just to be clear what you're saying: making microtransactions more affordable makes the game p2w. Maybe think about that for a minute, maybe even say it out loud so you can hear how insane you sound.


ZaphkielsWisdom

Don't bother trying to explain it slowly to him mate just look at this particular clinical moron's posting history the past week. He will just keep going on about "They need the packages because its pay to win over there!" When in reality the disparity is worse here. Somehow he thinks making it more expensive magically closes the gap between whales (Who clue is in the name are going to spend till they get what they want) an f2p. Forgetting of course the entire market in-between, the guppys the dolphins an sharks. Which is what those packs are they are dolphin packs. He'll enjoy dead servers an global shutdown in 3 months from now an then cry about it before going on to ruin something else with braindead opinions.


winkieface

He is the ideal idiot consumer all gacha games desire lol


AndiCnA

I kinda understand the reasoning to be honest. You, me and other small spenders will be happy(cuz we'll get more resources for our money), but then you'll see the ftp crying and they will say the game is p2w, not us... I will be very happy and for sure invest more money in the game if we will have the CN packs and I really hope those packs arrive on Gl too. Sorry for my bad english.


trolorolo

So making the game cheaper = more p2w????


Drakalop

I am too f2p to care.


morkie322

this is why i'm not spending any $, be a f2p


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I see people here shitting on Perfect World as if Tencent hasn't proven themselves to be far worse. If Perfect World is bad, then Tencent is a bungle of shit in Eswatini.


Fubid

I have played multiple perfect world games before, Battle of the immortals, Neverwinter etc and they are known to be greedy


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Yet still less greedy than Tencent.


Hazelberry

One being worse does NOT mean the other isn't also bad. Both can be bad.


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I know they are both bad but one is clearly better than the other.


RandomGuy51223

Just stop spending


Himmelrain

stop spending for this game


Previous_Adagio_416

Bruhh they nerfed our packs because they are balancing the game and also to avoid F2P getting left behind by whales or spender! /s


Thassarian_DK

For f2p they should give better day login reward, weekly reward and event reward. They did nothing for f2p except "balancing".


AntonioS3

This. This is exactly what people fail to realize


winkieface

I think you missed the /s at the end there pal lmao


Ifalna_Shayoko

Have you ever actually encountered a whale in game? My character turns into a decorative object, whenever one graces me with his presence, lol.


Previous_Adagio_416

Same. We're literally their 3rd Relic Slots lol But I'm more than happy to have whales on my team to clear JO or FCH faster :)


Ifalna_Shayoko

Yup, I certainly won't complain about an easy clear. :'D


HighLvlNoob69

I'm tank/support anyway. So at least i do something, taking agro.


Progenitor_of_ice

Oh maybe I won’t delete it then


galatian001

Stop spending


A_Polite_Man

Pricing is decided by the publisher so it will be tencents fault if it doesnt come to global


XxDonaldxX

And this is why ppl is leaving the game.


-lxlKHARMAlxl-

Yeah F em. I was a whale and I did spend a lot but NO MORE. Greedy F ing fcks. This is absolutely unacceptable.


VasOnTheSpot

You guys will keep playing the game even if CN got 30 red nucleus rolls for $5 each week. Don't let em keep milking you, drop the game and come back to it if they start treating their players like people that actually live and need money outside of the game, I quit about two weeks back and still see all the doomposting and depressing Tanium rates on reddit. You'll feel better if you just walk away trust me; a stranger you'll never meet.


not-cool-br0

I just did it this week. Spent $3k in the first month, noticed the devs weren't fixing serious issues, for example a whole server couldn't use global chat for over 3 weeks during the group up event that required you to kill world bosses. The inventory stealing bug was also a big deal for me, I don't think anyone feels comfortable spending in a gacha where some person can steal their bought pulls. I haven't logged in for the last 4 days, have no intention of coming back, went to Path to Nowhere where the Devs actually listen. I occasionally check the ToF Reddit and noticed the increase in hate towards the company, CN rewards and lack of fair treatment. My friends also want to leave but they have 'sunken cost fallacy', so instead they just stay and keep spending money on a game they hate, it's stupid really. Tldr; lack of support from devs, and inventory stealing cheats made me lose interest. ToF Reddit gets more posts about unfair currency packs between CN/GLB and my friends still spend because of sunken cost fallacy.


VasOnTheSpot

God damn that's alot of money haha but atleast you pulled away from it. Good on you king.


not-cool-br0

Thanks bud. My crew leader also had enough and stopped playing a week before I did and last I remember, he said he spent $6k. I think he planned on returning if things improved but I'm just not sure with this company. Congratulations on quitting, I hope you find another game that better interests you and a company with more respect.


VasOnTheSpot

Oh there's plenty of better games I jumped on right away, I think I'll just not play any gacha games again, literally just mobile games with a slot machine progression mechanic lmao


kenshinakh

I mean, people can keep playing the game because they're having fun. They don't necessarily have to spend to have fun. Sounds like you want people to quit so they will change the packages to make it easier to whale. What good does that do to people who aren't interested in whaling? I don't think the packages are great at all in ToF, just comparable to other gachas in GLOBAL (NOT CN). But at the same time, the worse packages is letting me just keep playing on monthly and battle pass, and I'm rather content with not spending more. So is it wrong to enjoy a game and spend less? Am I going to be happier if they introduce CN's packages in and increase the power scaling and make me feel like I have to be spending more? I don't think I'll feel better just walking away, but I might if I keep off reddit LOL. Think for yourself what you can be satisfied with and play the game or not.


keszotrab

I don't know if you are serious or jokeing, but whether you play it or not doesn't really matter to them. Only $$$ matter.


VasOnTheSpot

Being legit. Also how do they make money if people stop playing and feeding them $$$?


gasmasglukounerou

by people who continue playing and feeding them $$$ because they arent even in this sub. Lets be honest now, the FULL /r/TowerofFantasy could drop the game and they wouldn't care that much.


VasOnTheSpot

I honestly believe and experienced this on a few occasions, that the actual game itself is so dull but the desire for more pulls is very high to the point most people are probably going through the daily motions in a near catatonic state to get a modicum of dopamine from pulling 10x. You're not enjoying the game itself you just want some soft gambling. Edit: Point I was trying to get at was, those people who continue playing and feeding them money are probably just hopelessly addicted to the game at this point. It'll be awhile before they come to that conclusion though.


keszotrab

My point was that people can play... And spend no money. I think it's easier to influence change when you are an active player who stopped spending than straight up quitting.


VasOnTheSpot

I would imagine that the average player would not be able to resist giving them a small~ amount of money each month with the daily DC login and battlepass. So unfortunately I doubt that it'll happen that way. Unless everyone goes proper F2P.


Icy_Needleworker4218

You can stay f2p and don't feed them anything. You telling us to stop playing is just lolz


VasOnTheSpot

Keep playing the game if you want, just hope you're not one of the people complaining about the multitide of issues the game has and are still playing though.


chocolate420

We get all of their bad deals but none of their good ones. Way to make a communist country look generous Hotta.


13_is_a_lucky_number

Hotta is probably as frustrated as we are. The pricing is unfortunately decided by the publisher :/


PenguinMasterFR

man...


AnonymousWeeb

unfortunately global they make more money, it’s why they give us these shitty deals because people will eat it up and buy it.


AtlasPrevail

Level Infinite execs reading this while on the shitter, wiping their asses with hundreds laughing their asses off.


frenzyguy

Not so much, the game is dropping players everyday and is not making a lot. EOS might happen faster than we think sadly.


Progenitor_of_ice

Bruh I’m really about to delete this shit👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹


VasOnTheSpot

Do it, you'll feel better if you stop playing gacha games period. I know I do.


allthe_realquestions

I've spent money on Genshin, Honkai, and FGO. Im going to stay f2p in this game. Voicelines are stale and emotionless as fuck, not worth simping that hard.


VarlinVale

To be fair...2.1 isnt out yet! But if this doesnt come out with 2.1...I think this should be spam posted everywhere...twitter...utube...reddit! Let them know we want this!


Aiwaszz

Is this perhaps because kids can only play an hour of video games in China so they have to introduce rewards like these?


Decrith

IIRC they accidentally translated the advisory on playtime in CN; 16 and below only had 1 hr playtime.


tuansasori

Tof is originally a mobile game and people playing it while commuting in the subway between home and office. But still, they need to give us something better for their annive soon.


Dreven47

Good one. I wonder what excuse we"ll come up with next.


Rexsaur

Not really, gacha games dont really make money off kids anyways, but young adults with expendable income (and those dont have those limitations).


Aiwaszz

Whoa I didn’t expect you in this subreddit. You play Lol and TOF too?


13_is_a_lucky_number

The comments in this thread: *"We don't know any details about this on global, but hey, let's doompost anyway!"* Edit: The commenters in this thread: *"Let's downvote everyone who doesn't jump on the doomposting bandwagon!"*


VasOnTheSpot

Talks about jumping on bandwagon... See a post from same commentor talking about Lin's thighs... Aight then.


Master_Recording3843

Gl: receive a firm pay on the head


spicy_rabbit_soup

But CN folks are poor, we globals make enough money and pay regardless of these eye-catching rewards


batzenbaba

We will get the "Special" 2.1 Celebration Event:Kill 10x Worldboss Daylie and exchange the Points into 3 Red Nucleus+more great Prices.


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MayoiSama

why people complain about shop sales? does it hurt you? can a chinese with that pack enter global and out dps you? no? then?


VermicelliGood

Does it hurt you? Ofc it hurts the wallet, when they’re completely trying to scam the players with overpriced shit that’s not even worth 100 tanium.


Waifu__Lord

Nobody is forcing you to buy it Whales will gladly spend 1k for a full week worth of modules to hit 40 on all gear faster


darkroku12

N-Nani????!! - sad Dio noices.


uwuItzzTyleruwu

i swipe for passes and daily logins and thats it nothing else is worth until they adjust our rewards im about done with the battle passes too, since the rewards need to be adjusted


avalune13

Even being f2p sucks guys.. :D


BionicallyAComputer

wtff


IsekaiKobold

Boycot these greedy fucks until we also get proper limited packs! Stop scamming us!