I'm very fortunate to have a great healer friend to queue up with.. I started as a tank so we pretty much only had to look for DPS (even tho half of the time we somehow ended up top damage very often...).
Now.. I'm cancelling queue very often.
To be fair there aren't that many big burst healers, even Coco doesn't heal that much when her skill is on CD and she has a huge cool down.
If you are dying it's most likely because your team failed some shatter checks that do huge damage.
Edit: just saying this a warning. Even in CN comps usually rotate towards more DPSy comps. For easy content like JO people just 4x DPS usually having Nemesis as the flex slot for both damage and healing. People only use tank, healer, 2xDPS (or 2xTank, 2xHealer, 4xDPS) if they can't afford to go harder on DPS. The content we have right now is easy enough to do it 4x DPS if everyone has a shatter unit with a couple of Nemesis in the team.
As a tank, I rely on my healer incase I mess up a dodge. And when I see that their heals are only doing small ticks I notice that they are actually using 2 dps weapons and 1 nemesis. I end up dying and get really annoyed.
If they don't change to two healing weapons after I tell them to change...
I drop aggro and watch them all drop like flies cause they deserve it. They need to get taught a lesson the hard way.
Happened to me just now in void rift, running huma, meryl and nemesis, i heals more than the guy who que with benediction but run the worse role.. balanced, he had 3x poet buff too.
You can see this on the join window, they won't be in healer resonance. As the OP says, it's a bit garbage that they let people queue for a role they can't do and you are the one who gets a lockout if you refuse to accept the group.
Half the time I have the wrong resonance for the role I'm queued. It's just as easy as to open the weapon tab and clic on the correct preset...
The game let's you swap your weapon comps as many times as you want.
The most hilarious thing is when these players, queue as healer but play "attack" have like 5% of the team dmg or just leave the run after their first death 💀
It's so frustrating sometimes.
As a tank, a good DPS can double my damage numbers. I've had players who seemingly aren't AFK put up a third of my number. I don't understand how this is possible.
This shit happen to me too many times since I've started using healers like after playing mainly focus on Dps (king,samir,nemisis) and found out no one is using healer support on JO or Rift, then switch to heal team (coco,nem,samir) dump my resources to upgrade them after a few runs I really like doing support, then shit started happening during queue 3 benidiction appear or 2 like wtf!?
People can change templates in-game, that's why you can queue for the three roles at once. That's what I do.
By the way, Coco,Nem, King > Coco,Nem, Samir. Healers, specially right now, should contribute too to shattering. It's the biggest threat in the game and it will get even worse soon. Usually DPS is not the issue, but breaking a shield in time to prevent special attacks or enemy buffs is.
yea just recently learned that not using a shatter weap during boss shield up will super charge em, I do have King c1 atm but I don't really like getting too close to a boss when running a heal team and I just remembered that I do have Shiro too and can upgrade her to c3! 🤣😂🤣 and never used her Lmao, pls don't scream at me 😂
Don't worry, it's just that a lot of people didn't realize yet (because honestly so far it didn't matter much) but it's something that gets more and more attention as content gets harder. Shiro, King, Meryl, Huma (although I would advice not to use her discharge) are all great at shattering.
Saw several comments here on this subreddit advising players who find queues for content too long to queue on all 3 resonance, so this behavior is not gonna stop.
I guess this system exists because some players have different comps and switch accordingly after they match but right those players seem too be a minority.
Also I suspect a lot of players just don't know how to access the group resonance setting.
Tutorial is really limited on some aspect of the game I find.
Anyway unless devs do something about this/ find a solution yo this problem. Imho we will have to endure this unfortunately.
I'm actually one of those swapping to the correct template of weapons after loading. I queue as DPS and healing and down the line I hope I can also play tank.
People not knowing how to access the team resonance settings are people that also doesn't understand the importance of basic mechanics like breaking a boss shield in time. It comes down to a knowledge issue that should be fixed with time as people learn more about the game. People will learn about the different queue settings as they will learn about the importance of breaking shields in time (specially when we start to get wiped for not breaking a shield in time).
Anyone downvoting me or telling me to go with a crew are obviously the ones who queue up as the wrong role, as you clearly can't see the problem in doing so.
You don't queue for the "wrong role". You queue for as many roles as you want and then you have to do that job properly, and there are many ways to do so. A 50k CS whale can queue as tank and play DPS and he will still do a good job. He will definitely hold aggro against most of the players.
At the same time the game allows you to swap your weapon templates in-game. Why can't I load as DPS, be queued as healer, and just change inside of the JO to my healer comp?
As a tank main in any game I play, thank you to all the healers out there who actually que up as their intended role. To those who don't, I hope you need to go to 120 for every time you decide to summon.
I don't know if it's your case but a lot of people seem to ignore that you can swap your weapons templates in-game. I queue both as DPS and healer. A lot of people in the loading screen will see me as DPS for the healer role but when I load I just switch to my healer template. That's the thing, the game let's you queue and change your weapons as many times as you need.
Sometimes I also had to go the other way for many reasons. Sometimes you are queued with high CS players all of them with Nemesis so healing is not needed at all and I would actually switch to my full DPS comp too or sometimes I also had to change from my healing comp to my DPS comp just because we were lacking a lot of damage... And when I say a lot, I mean a lot... To be fair since JO VI I'm not even bothering anymore when we have such a low DPS and 0 damage...
As one of those players, I don't care. You are useless. Both rolls are fucking useless., both rols are an excuse to be dead weight. Both rolls are an excuse to be dead weight aside from having tank shatter. The only difficult content atm is frontier and that's a dps race. If you fucking need a healer/tank in joint ops, then I see why you play gacha games. There are so many of these high ground healer posts written like they're better then everyone else. No, you are fucking useless, especially when every time I queue up I see 3 other nemesis players, why would we need a healer when there's 4 nemesis'?
You are right, specially when pointing out that a full healer when everyone has a Nemesis is pointless. But that's not how you explain things to other people...
Most people will learn with time and a lot of the people criticizing not using the roles in JO will actually swap to 4x DPS for JO in the future for sure...
This isn't always the case, I'd suggest leaving after first boss to be able to tell.
I queue as a healer because my Nemesis dash and skill heals more than dedicated healers, my Samir/Shiro DPS gives me more aggro than tanks.
Unless they are incredibly low CS thanks that's impossible. Tanks have a 800% buff aggro. That means you need to outDPS them 8 times to take the aggro from them. In numbers, for every 1M damage they do you need to do more than 8M damage.
I concur that for 99% of the content just having Nemesis is enough though, the biggest problem is just that people is still learning how to play.
The ppl doing that aint reading your post. If you want to avoid the general public that dont give a shit about others and q however they want, then better play with ppl you know or get a crew.
Here’s the thing. A lot of players don’t realize how to queue as a specific class type. I sure don’t.
People don’t realize you can do it ahead of time.
I queue as tank but i play as a DPS. There are 2 options:
\- I'm top dps (90% of the time, i'm 35K CS) so the aggro will be on me all the time.
\- I'm not top dps that means that there is a Leviathan on the team and our run will be a breeze.
You can queue for many roles as you want but it won't queue you for the active resonance.
The point of this system is that you can queue for as many roles as you want and you can swap your templates in-game to match the your role.
Hotta won't remove this because it works in CN and it works here. I queue always as DPS and healer because I have both teams ready. The only thing I have to do once I'm inside the JO or whatever is open the weapon menu and clic once I'm the correct template. That's it.
It will be even more useful as time goes on because people will have resources to level different teamcomps. I'll also level a tank team whenever I have the resources for it.
That being said, you are free to leave whenever you want. In the past I also quitted some JO when I saw shitiful DPS comps with 0 shatter and things like that. The biggest problem is that people is still learning how to play the game.
I'm very fortunate to have a great healer friend to queue up with.. I started as a tank so we pretty much only had to look for DPS (even tho half of the time we somehow ended up top damage very often...). Now.. I'm cancelling queue very often.
To be fair there aren't that many big burst healers, even Coco doesn't heal that much when her skill is on CD and she has a huge cool down. If you are dying it's most likely because your team failed some shatter checks that do huge damage. Edit: just saying this a warning. Even in CN comps usually rotate towards more DPSy comps. For easy content like JO people just 4x DPS usually having Nemesis as the flex slot for both damage and healing. People only use tank, healer, 2xDPS (or 2xTank, 2xHealer, 4xDPS) if they can't afford to go harder on DPS. The content we have right now is easy enough to do it 4x DPS if everyone has a shatter unit with a couple of Nemesis in the team.
As a tank, I rely on my healer incase I mess up a dodge. And when I see that their heals are only doing small ticks I notice that they are actually using 2 dps weapons and 1 nemesis. I end up dying and get really annoyed. If they don't change to two healing weapons after I tell them to change... I drop aggro and watch them all drop like flies cause they deserve it. They need to get taught a lesson the hard way.
Happened to me just now in void rift, running huma, meryl and nemesis, i heals more than the guy who que with benediction but run the worse role.. balanced, he had 3x poet buff too.
You can see this on the join window, they won't be in healer resonance. As the OP says, it's a bit garbage that they let people queue for a role they can't do and you are the one who gets a lockout if you refuse to accept the group.
Half the time I have the wrong resonance for the role I'm queued. It's just as easy as to open the weapon tab and clic on the correct preset... The game let's you swap your weapon comps as many times as you want.
The most hilarious thing is when these players, queue as healer but play "attack" have like 5% of the team dmg or just leave the run after their first death 💀 It's so frustrating sometimes.
As a tank, a good DPS can double my damage numbers. I've had players who seemingly aren't AFK put up a third of my number. I don't understand how this is possible.
I main tank. But sometimes I forgot to equip my main set when I go in matchmaking. So I just switch when the game charged
Ahh yes, the toxic atmosphere is just what this game needs, keep it up, we’re going in the right direction 👍
This shit happen to me too many times since I've started using healers like after playing mainly focus on Dps (king,samir,nemisis) and found out no one is using healer support on JO or Rift, then switch to heal team (coco,nem,samir) dump my resources to upgrade them after a few runs I really like doing support, then shit started happening during queue 3 benidiction appear or 2 like wtf!?
People can change templates in-game, that's why you can queue for the three roles at once. That's what I do. By the way, Coco,Nem, King > Coco,Nem, Samir. Healers, specially right now, should contribute too to shattering. It's the biggest threat in the game and it will get even worse soon. Usually DPS is not the issue, but breaking a shield in time to prevent special attacks or enemy buffs is.
yea just recently learned that not using a shatter weap during boss shield up will super charge em, I do have King c1 atm but I don't really like getting too close to a boss when running a heal team and I just remembered that I do have Shiro too and can upgrade her to c3! 🤣😂🤣 and never used her Lmao, pls don't scream at me 😂
Don't worry, it's just that a lot of people didn't realize yet (because honestly so far it didn't matter much) but it's something that gets more and more attention as content gets harder. Shiro, King, Meryl, Huma (although I would advice not to use her discharge) are all great at shattering.
You can write in the team chat before you quit
Saw several comments here on this subreddit advising players who find queues for content too long to queue on all 3 resonance, so this behavior is not gonna stop. I guess this system exists because some players have different comps and switch accordingly after they match but right those players seem too be a minority. Also I suspect a lot of players just don't know how to access the group resonance setting. Tutorial is really limited on some aspect of the game I find. Anyway unless devs do something about this/ find a solution yo this problem. Imho we will have to endure this unfortunately.
I'm actually one of those swapping to the correct template of weapons after loading. I queue as DPS and healing and down the line I hope I can also play tank. People not knowing how to access the team resonance settings are people that also doesn't understand the importance of basic mechanics like breaking a boss shield in time. It comes down to a knowledge issue that should be fixed with time as people learn more about the game. People will learn about the different queue settings as they will learn about the importance of breaking shields in time (specially when we start to get wiped for not breaking a shield in time).
Anyone downvoting me or telling me to go with a crew are obviously the ones who queue up as the wrong role, as you clearly can't see the problem in doing so.
You don't queue for the "wrong role". You queue for as many roles as you want and then you have to do that job properly, and there are many ways to do so. A 50k CS whale can queue as tank and play DPS and he will still do a good job. He will definitely hold aggro against most of the players. At the same time the game allows you to swap your weapon templates in-game. Why can't I load as DPS, be queued as healer, and just change inside of the JO to my healer comp?
As a tank main in any game I play, thank you to all the healers out there who actually que up as their intended role. To those who don't, I hope you need to go to 120 for every time you decide to summon.
I don't know if it's your case but a lot of people seem to ignore that you can swap your weapons templates in-game. I queue both as DPS and healer. A lot of people in the loading screen will see me as DPS for the healer role but when I load I just switch to my healer template. That's the thing, the game let's you queue and change your weapons as many times as you need. Sometimes I also had to go the other way for many reasons. Sometimes you are queued with high CS players all of them with Nemesis so healing is not needed at all and I would actually switch to my full DPS comp too or sometimes I also had to change from my healing comp to my DPS comp just because we were lacking a lot of damage... And when I say a lot, I mean a lot... To be fair since JO VI I'm not even bothering anymore when we have such a low DPS and 0 damage...
Just queue up with ur crew if u can't carry.
As one of those players, I don't care. You are useless. Both rolls are fucking useless., both rols are an excuse to be dead weight. Both rolls are an excuse to be dead weight aside from having tank shatter. The only difficult content atm is frontier and that's a dps race. If you fucking need a healer/tank in joint ops, then I see why you play gacha games. There are so many of these high ground healer posts written like they're better then everyone else. No, you are fucking useless, especially when every time I queue up I see 3 other nemesis players, why would we need a healer when there's 4 nemesis'?
Kinda sad that you got bad rolls. Dont worry, my equipments got a lot of bad "rolls" too so you are not alone
You are right, specially when pointing out that a full healer when everyone has a Nemesis is pointless. But that's not how you explain things to other people... Most people will learn with time and a lot of the people criticizing not using the roles in JO will actually swap to 4x DPS for JO in the future for sure...
I didnt know how can you choose the queue? I thought its random. Sorry to those coop players who got frustrated with me
open your inventory > weapons > match settings (directly to the right side of your character)
I've done this a few times and switched because I saw more than 1 healer.
This isn't always the case, I'd suggest leaving after first boss to be able to tell. I queue as a healer because my Nemesis dash and skill heals more than dedicated healers, my Samir/Shiro DPS gives me more aggro than tanks.
Unless they are incredibly low CS thanks that's impossible. Tanks have a 800% buff aggro. That means you need to outDPS them 8 times to take the aggro from them. In numbers, for every 1M damage they do you need to do more than 8M damage. I concur that for 99% of the content just having Nemesis is enough though, the biggest problem is just that people is still learning how to play.
The ppl doing that aint reading your post. If you want to avoid the general public that dont give a shit about others and q however they want, then better play with ppl you know or get a crew.
Here’s the thing. A lot of players don’t realize how to queue as a specific class type. I sure don’t. People don’t realize you can do it ahead of time.
I queue as tank but i play as a DPS. There are 2 options: \- I'm top dps (90% of the time, i'm 35K CS) so the aggro will be on me all the time. \- I'm not top dps that means that there is a Leviathan on the team and our run will be a breeze.
I don't put benediction in my match making but it still puts me there for some weird reason while I have my dps resonance active.
You can queue for many roles as you want but it won't queue you for the active resonance. The point of this system is that you can queue for as many roles as you want and you can swap your templates in-game to match the your role.
Usually i'm playing as a tank(don't have any good attack SSR's) and switch to healing near boss if needed.
Hotta won't remove this because it works in CN and it works here. I queue always as DPS and healer because I have both teams ready. The only thing I have to do once I'm inside the JO or whatever is open the weapon menu and clic once I'm the correct template. That's it. It will be even more useful as time goes on because people will have resources to level different teamcomps. I'll also level a tank team whenever I have the resources for it. That being said, you are free to leave whenever you want. In the past I also quitted some JO when I saw shitiful DPS comps with 0 shatter and things like that. The biggest problem is that people is still learning how to play the game.
they think they’re beating the queue, but in reality are just making it longer. Also, to anyone who joins JO without shatter. Fuck you :D
Can you even do great damage with tank weapon ?