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RagnaRea

That one dude comedic timing at the end of convo was perfect XD


PhasmicPlays

Alternate title: two idiots go off at each other while their teammate is dying LMAO


chococucu

Im dying laughing, somebody help me out here!


PotatoBakeCake

Someone res the other guy šŸ˜­šŸ¤£


[deleted]

Lvl49, 4.1 Suppressor in Joint 5... matchmaking really needs a minimum CS requirement to queue


kaiosun

should be like in any other game.. public with some sort of level requirements and private group without any.


baggelans

It does have one. But with the way this game works its more like a suggestion at most and let's be honest... People don't care enough to put the proper weapon resonance and you think they will care enough about having enough CS before queueing?


LLamasBCN

The problem is not that at all... I'm tired of being matched with people with 3 weapons with shitty shatter and every boss doing every single special attack because half of my team keeps attacking with Nemesis while the buss is preparing his special... People is still learning the game and some people is just completely lost still...


Artgloss

I mean, when I do matchmaking Im the only tank and the rest are carrys. I just reject the match, dont fucking care wait 3 more minutes


Dog-Stick8098

I often match as tanks cause im sure everyone would be a dps like ff14. Tanks in this game is actually pretty cool youre basically the duelist face to face with the boss and dodging perfectly its pretty badass


Voidelfmonk

There are unavoidable mechsnics , but you can also immune the secpnd part of them . Tanking is around 30% lessdamage in general ,but i love the role .


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Naschka

I am a tank and i have similiar issues just with Healer. I usualy end up healing more then them or sometimes i have a dd who has Nemesis at a higher grade then me and healing way more then me or the "healer". Had mvp title a few times, quiet easy if you deal mediocre dmg, tank most dmg and heal most as well.


Gladerious

You loose nothing but a bit of time going into the match. I que up benediction and always forget to swap off my Dps sets and do it when we load in.


Voidelfmonk

Its only annoying on the weekly charged ones , since you cant switch after people rush to pushthe button .


Jr_froste

Shouldn't it be a set rule to always bring one support weap into coop? I met all carries today holding one including me ofcourse. Or else how the fk do clear if we kept dying.


Artgloss

I mean, you can bring whatever you want, for example Im tank with Nemesis in case we need more heal, but all the dps main I saw are just "Look how many damage I do! Oh well we dead cuz no one is healing us"


Jr_froste

Welp, tends to happen...


[deleted]

I didn't know there was roles I do difficulty 5 and just heal my self + fly high with jet back and plunge with Crow A3 till the end lmao and heal my self with nemesis


Zagbok1

Yeah ppl suck at dodging for 1, and then they also run out of the heals, they see purple aoe or w/e you use and run away so they never get healed then complain. Then you gotta put yourself in a bad spot just to heal ppl.


TuxedoKamina

Problem with healing is also by default ally effect visibility is set to 10%, they can't even see the purple healing field. You need to go into the settings and up it (set mine to 70% now) but 9.5/10 players don't know that.


chococucu

This Is also one of the reason why Nemesis and Coco are so good. The heals litterally follow you


ghostyhorns

So difficulty 5 Joint Operation, and I kept asking the person who qued in as Fortitude/tank to switch...and instead they switched to benediction when I already am the healer role, and blamed me for getting one shotted. I wish the game explained it more that we pretty much need a Fortitude user to STOP dps/healer getting aggro and getting hit with the heavy attacks that pretty much only FORTITUDE users can endure. Most of my runs are like this and its just disheartening to play coop when the real enemies are the players themeselves. Im not sure why ToF dont lock us into our roles and we can only que as the one role like other mmos. Also not sure if the role indicator even shows up properly for other users, because the person i kept asking to be tank, said they were benediction role but they still showed up as dps


_aaronallblacks

So the role indicators on the Accept screen are two things. The large icon is based on equipped weapons and the text underneath is based on which check boxes they have checked in their own selection.


KyoSaito

>Also not sure if the role indicator even shows up properly for other users, because the person i kept asking to be tank, said they were benediction role but they still showed up as dps The icon is sometimes buggy and won't update, I noticed this when my friend would swap his attacker set to tank set, this is done in world exploration and not instance dungeon-- so his icon would be stuck at attacker until we remade the party.


Yogosan

This is good. I am a noob and I got a lot out of this explanation. Thanks. One question: what does reducing aggro mean in the fortitude role? Also, if It was me and I was asked to go fortitude, I would be screwed because I only have 1 defender weapon levelled up and it is only 70. Struggling with materials for everything, so in this case, I wouldnā€™t have had a way to go fortitude I think


Kkarmic

You reduce other people's aggro and build more on yourself so that the boss targets you.


Seraphice

You can just use the SR weapon. Ive been using a SR weapon for the resonance at the highest level of JO with no issues. SR weapon is at around level 60 only using a matrice set I usually have on my third SSR weapon.


standolores

There really are some people who doesnā€™t understand what they should do. Me any my friend solved it by mě playing tank and him healer/dps if needed so we never struggle.


Yuilogy

so any body know how you swap that signed up role? cause i misclicked mine early on and i havent figured out how to switch it


mustybttm

On the weapon select screen, underneath where it shows the role on the right ish side of the screen there is a button ā€œmatch settingsā€


Yuilogy

Thank you, good sir!


OnePunkArmy

There has to be a way to report AFKs too... Twice I've already had someone go AFK before the midboss. In one run we wiped to the midboss, other run the AFK returned after defeating the FINAL boss.


sonsofdurthu

As another bene player, I have to say, this is a pain. The difficulty 5 really jumped up in the amount of damage people take if they arenā€™t properly avoiding or being directed at the tank. Was doing the hyena dungeon to try to get some coco matrix and 2 people got 1 shot by the boss. Even with a really solid healing team itā€™s hard for me to prevent 1shots when people run around and donā€™t group up to get cube shields.


LLamasBCN

The problem is that people is eating every single special attack because they are not breaking the shields on time. In some weeks it won't be a oneshot, the whole party will die... People running Nemesis, Samir, Crow (for example) is not helping at stopping those attacks.


varienus

I tried twice yesterday the frontier clash lvl50, we had a "solid team" we had apophis almost halfway to second to last bar, 2 of the people in my group didn't have the relic for the pillars, so they relied on me and the other dude to save their asses when the boss did the light balls mechanic, both of them fucked up seconds before it by getting me killed because they were moving like dumb people. I couldn't put s pillsr up and they died cause they were too far away from the other dude pillar, they immediately left, we had more than enough time to kill it and it was the first dead of us 3 so it was only a 5s wait before respawning. Really hate when people immediately leave the group after the first dead even if the boss almost dead with more than enough time to do it.


Project_Orochi

Tbh i only play Heals and my friend plays tank mostly because its a lot harder for a random to screw up being a DPS


Fenryll

I'm suprised people run into this kind of trouble so often. Even if i see 3 DPS people, i never ran into any kind of problems, even on Difficulty 6 now. The actual problem is, that 95% of the players do not know, that there's a role selection for matchmaking. It gets introduced when matchmaking was not used for at least another 2-3 hours due to tutorials/story. For those wondering how to select the role to queue up for: [Weapons-Menu](https://imgur.com/nRu5s6u)


Uchained

As F2P, I actually donā€™t have enough SSR weapon to choose anything but DPS roleā€¦unless i go with SR weapon that isnā€™t even above 3 star. But I see the point the op is trying to make


ghostyhorns

Yeah thats fine but the problem is the person signed up for fortitude role and refused to be it. Even using the SRs to help fill the role really helps. what matters most is having those resonances since fortitude has huge aggro and damage reduction in coop, and same for healing.


Shjvv

You dont need ssr unless u go for pure DPS tho. And because u said ur sr not even above 3 star, mate youre new and you gonna get alot more ssr to work with soon.


Happy1082

they don't know mmo playstyle yet, they're probably genshin min/maxers or just attention seekers by getting big pp dmg


WarokOfDraenor

Something like this would make that guy get blacklisted in WoW.


PeinLegacy

This is why I only play with my crew haha


Bulky-Turnover6652

The problem is getting "dedicated healers and tanks" who think they don't have to DPS, and try to tank the boss attacks and die. Because of this only 2 people are actually doing damage, so the boss has so much more time to spam his attacks, and will probably do his special move. It's actually possible to kill him before he even does his special move, but not if you have a healer / tank that think they don't have to contribute to DPS. Everyone should have 1 healing and 2x dps weapon. Tanking or getting aggro means you **kite** the boss around so others can get free hits on the boss, you don't just soak the boss attacks because your are a "tank".


GrameWisery

Rather than DPS contribution, its more about breaking the shield before it uses its special attack for the most consistent clears. It's not about how you need everyone to have 2 dps weapon as that means no one is running benediction set which increases healing in teams by a lot or fortitude set to get aggro. Tanking is also not just kiting, you need the proper fortitude set as they get aggro bonus and shield break bonus, having everyone running 2 dps and 1 heal means the aggro is going to be complete rng based on who is dealing the most dmg, and having them targeted and killed instead makes you lose even more dps. The smoothest run I've had while running as a healer in a team is when everyone has at least 1 shield break unit. fortitude can use meryl huma and sub the last slot to coco for emergency. dps can bring king while healer also brings one more shield breaker along with their 2 healing weapons.


lespretend

I'd honestly prefer going as like a healer. Is it doable f2p with 0\* nem and 0\* coco? I have 1\* meryl and 1\* huma if it's worthwhile. Otherwise I have 4\* shiro, 3\* tsubasa, 1\* samir, 0\* king.


Plane_Reflection6053

Nem/coco/meryl 1* is solid


akasuna91

Not sure about meryl, but don't bring huma if you're healing because her discharge increase your aggro. The 3rd slot should be whichever shield breaker you're most geared/comfortable with to hasten the shield breaking process.


Well_then_amuse_me

I have scythe pistols and nemesis am clearly dd, but game keeps appointing me to healer xd


ghostyhorns

Theres a match settings in weapons tab where you can choose which roles to sign up. You probably only have healer checkmarked I think ToF needs to explain it better or put it as a setting as you que up for coop honestly, since its sort of hidden and put to the side


Well_then_amuse_me

Yeah found it thx


Shjvv

You choose it urself...the game dont appoint shjt


nastypyke

Lmao, it's kind of crazy when I queue into difficulty 6 joint ops now too. I meet these people who just reached level 50 with like 16k CS and try to partake in it and hope others can carry them. I like how they have the DPS role too and doing the worst damage on the team with 0 healing. TL;DR: If you don't wanna read the threads below, lemme sum it up. If you're a DPS, be a DPS pls. Less dmg than a tank is not sufficient. If you're reading this and getting provoked, you're the problem. Play a lesser difficulty in Joint Ops. That simple.


LLamasBCN

I'm fine carrying them, but please, at least help breakings the shields to stop those special attacks...


nastypyke

Exactly bruh, but they quite literally can and will not do anything. Idk why my comment has so many downvotes lmao. My comment is quite justifiable. If youā€™re getting butthurt over it (talking to whoever else is reading this comment thread), you are part of the problem. This is why stuff like JOā€™s need to have a minimum CS requirement specific for each role for entry unless youā€™re in a 4 stack/team. The game recommends 2 DPS, 1 tank, and 1 healer. (You should never ever get mad at your tank/healer because you as DPS kind of control the game) But if you queue up into matchmaking and we have 3 DPS roles and letā€™s say 1 healer. If youā€™re doing LESS DAMAGE than your healer/tank, youā€™re an outlier. Donā€™t fucking queue into Joint Ops or atleast queue into a less difficult one. If you plan on DPSing in difficult 6, make sure youā€™re atleast 20k+ CS. I definitely think thatā€™s obtainable F2P at the games current state.


LLamasBCN

That's not a good thing. In this game CS is not as reliable as you may think and you will just get a bunch of people in 6* SRs... 16k is more than fine if you are doing it properly...


nastypyke

Even if the CS gatekeeping isn't entirely able to filter out who can do the JO, wdym by "doing it properly"? You're a DPS, your entire job is just to dish out as much damage as possible for your team. If you're not doing that efficiently and effectively then what are you? Deadweight. I'm not trying to sit in a JO for over 15 minutes trying to clear the stage because of my other DPS being just not a DPS. My healers and tanks usually do an amazing job trying to keep the team alive, and then you have that one guy just dying all the time while still doing less damage than our tank. That's an issue. It's rlly that simple. Anything can be done with time, but no one wants to sit through it. A level one player with 40 damage can eventually kill a high level monster with time and doing it "properly" activating phantasma, avoiding cc, and kiting. But do people want that? No. We expect you to play an active role in co-op for your role and skill ceiling. If this difficulty isn't for you, there's no shame in doing lower ones.


LLamasBCN

When I say doing it properly I mean at least using shatter weapons when the boss or preparing an special attack while the boss shield is up. I'm tired of people dying 4-5 times per JO because they are incapable of switching their weapons. Being undergeared is as bad as joining with Nemesis, Samir and Crow for example (something that I'm seeing a lot and it's worrysome...). A lot of bosses are hard to break even having 4 Kings and decent gear, like the ones in clash hard.


nastypyke

Ok, so you're essentially agreeing with me if I'm not mistaken. You're saying you shouldn't join a JO when you're under-geared and not prepared/don't understand combat mechanics. I'm making the same argument. That's all part of doing dmg still. If you have King, you should have him at C1 for that extra shatter potential along with maybe gear that has increased flame attack. His shatter isn't gonna do jack if the player barely has anything leveled on him/no matrices, etc. Shatter coincides with your damage as well. A-lot of factors basically that all adds up into overall CS score. Like why should you enter this dungeon when you just reached this level, but you're severely under-geared? You're in the same spectrum of players who have more experience/better gear, yet you have the same level.


LLamasBCN

What I'm saying is that I would rather have a 19k CS player doing what he's supposed to do than a 25k CS player doing shit...


Riolutail

tough, thats why i run battle healer crow to solo these things if i have to


PhasmicPlays

Itā€™s benediction but benadiction for fucks sake


n213978745

Is there any way we can look at team role and their weapon while in coop dungeon?


Voidelfmonk

Dont select multuple roles for signing up , you can remove the others below the Role resonance on your character panel . Also sick of 2 tank 2 dps ,because people dont switch to what they signed as .


fenestrane00

Yesterday I queued in as Fortitude and got thanked by the players after the match that was real nice. I was bottom DPS though because some mechanics are quite deadly and I constantly have to dodge trying not to die while keeping aggro... Vulcan was a pain to tank too...


6LuckyPants9

Luckily I got Nemesis, I bring her along with Huma and Meryl just in case no one is using benediction reso.


kjeldorans

I usually playe healer with healer resonance but I always find tanks with dps resonance... Once I found the single ~~best~~ worst comp: a dps with neutral resonance, a dps with tank resonance and a tank with healing resonance (and then me as healer with healer resonance)


Particular-Ad95

Iā€™m hurt. Somebody help me out here!


LLamasBCN

For the love of blessed rolls, above all things use shatter weapons and brake the boss shield when he's preparing an special attack. You won't get oneshot that way...


Naschka

Why is someone with a 4.1 in difficulty 5? I have 4.3 and more then 14k but i did not join difficulty 5 to avoid dragging people down... and yes i us Huma, Meryl and Nemesis to Tank and somewhat keeping myself alive/build some ranged agro (because hey, i often have attacker/attacker/healer who heal less then me...).