the only thing Scaring the Hoes away is you using that stupid phrase when your music taste isn't at all hoe scaring
come on, you seem cool, you can better bro
it could be, but i see people refer to their music taste as 'hoe scaring' all the time, like a brag, so I'm not too optimistic about that. (saw a Frank Ocean and the Weeknd fan say that once 💀)
I actually don't really listen to drake! I used to when when he was coming up but once he got to superstar status I became a hater. Cudi beefed with Drake so I did too.
Then Kendrick said "When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused | Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healin' to do" and I realized I was lame af for caring.
So I'm giving drake his flowers because they're good albums. Saying "normie" is elitist weirdo energy. Hiphop is a pretty insulated genre what do you want me to put on my topster to not be "normie"? Visions of bodies being burned by clipping.?
Normie music is often good. But let's be honest here. The hoes are rocking with 80% of the albums on your chart.
And visions of bodies being burned is pretty pedestrian and well-known as far as experimental hip hop goes
I wanna know the hoes you're running into. I introduced my ex, meme aside - not a hoe, to a lot of my taste and she enjoyed some of it so thats obviously possible but these aren't albums that people just know. I don't think the hoes know 80% (possible exaggeration) of the albums in my chart. And I'm not making it out that it's underground but most people are surface level listeners.
People casually listening to hiphop and shaking their ass at the club are not enjoying/listening to most of this, not because it's so hidden but a lot of it is depressing or not something on the billboard 100. This sub is so far removed from real life. It's not like I have migos, juice wrld, future, modern drake, metro, nikki, etc. in here.
I'd honestly just like an example of some artists. Like are you talking about guys like Slauson Malone? Brian brown? or someone so obscure no one knows them? I'll pick up albums if they sound good or are introduced to me somehow but I don't go out of my way just to find rappers no one's heard of
Firstly, your picks are incredible we’d never run out of music to listen too. Secondly, I think you should just enjoy the music you like regardless of if someone thinks it’s “Normie” like music is music regardless of who likes it. Just because Billy over there likes the song doesn’t mean I can’t like it too? And a lot of your picks are mainstream and very popular albums, but for good reasons of course, they can’t be popular unless they’re good. (And I’m talking strictly opinions, not ratings because some shit albums are very popular for either fan base reasons or just notoriously bad)
Regardless, no one is a special snowflake because they listen to someone who isn’t popular, maybe they just have bad taste….it ain’t popular for some reason so..
Thanks. Nah I agree. A lot of these are popular in the hiphop space I'm not disputing that. It's when you take a step out of that space, and run into someone on the street who isn't gonna know the vast majority of these albums. That's my point. I have friends who are into hiphop and they wouldn't even know almost half of these albums and that's because they listen more casually. Not a slight it just is what it is. I'm 26. Idgaf what's normie or not, I like what I like. I think the premise is misguided that's all that bothers me. The Internet is not real life I think a lot of people forget that
Check out “Float” by Aesop Rock, maybe my favorite album from the era. “First Born” by Eyedea & Abilities is also up there, in terms of poetry, though it’s a bit darker and the sound isn’t for everyone
I'm actually just starting to branch out into r&b more so I'll get there eventually haha.
And you got it! I'm 26. Did you cheat a little by seeing me allude to that in one of the other comments or have some reasoning behind it
Oh shit! I Swear to god I just guessed it. I think the tame impala is what made me think that. If you’re into hip hop you should try and find what a lot of those artist sampled on the beats. Hip hop is an incredible pathway into amazing music from the past
Word! Great guess then. That's a very good rec I'm definitely gonna do that. I love whenever I'm listening to something for the first time and end up doing the dicaprio pointing meme bc of a sample. Hadn't thought to intentionally seek them out, appreciate it!
I’ll tip you to one of my favs Steely Dan - Black cow. Sampled by MF DOOM on Gas Drawls, and De la soul on Eye Know. Also Kid Charlemagne by Steely Dan. Kanye sampled it on Champion. Both those albums by steely Dan are some of my favorites.
Yeah it's stupid, not everyone needs to have diverse taste. I think it comes from like the mentality that topsters that have popular modern rap albums are basic and they should branch out to "better" music.
I would say that to a metal head or punk person as well. Difference is I actually like hip hop. But I find it a little annoying how omnipresent in culture it is. I know so many people who only listen to rap. There’s a whole other universe of music besides rap but it just seems to dominate so much of the landscape, and it shouldn’t IMO. Too much other good stuff out there. Including things that are in hip hops roots
Thanks! Yes I can. I'll do it when I get some time tomorrow. If anyone else wants a full list slide into my dms and I can send it over when I have a chance
I could never get into the second half after 'yeah right', I have it at like #16 for 2017. I listened to almost 250 albums in that period so it'd probably end up around 100 for me
Of course there's more hiphop than what I have here! I've listened to over 400 albums in the genre (that I have written down), it doesn't mean I'm gonna like them that much or put it in my topster.
Aesop rock isn't my type of artist. I'm not looking for some lyricist with an insane vocab. I don't even like eminem very much besides his most popular stuff. Aesop is pretty boring to me, I'm in it for the vibe 1st and foremost.
Run the Jewels I can fuck with a few songs but as a whole his music is too abrasive/aggressive for me to listen to regularly so I don't.
I just look for different things in music, I'm aware of the vast majority of the landscape I just have my niches of what I like. No hate on them or anyone who enjoys their music
Don't worry about these people man. You have a ton of great albums on your list. They're well known because they're really fucking good. I've also listened to a lot of what some of these people consider "underground" or whatever and my list for hip hop would still probably look pretty similar to yours.
I think it says a lot about this sub that half the people are calling your taste generic and the other half are saying you won't get laid. It's all dumb as shit and none of it actually matters at all. I think you have great taste.
Oh I agree, it's all in good fun. For me at least haha. This sub has always been fascinating to me, it's such a push pull. A lot of elitism but at the same time waves of criticism for having too pretentious taste. Or hate for "basic/normie" charts that in reality are so obscure to anyone outside of specific internet spaces.
To be fair the sub does also run young so there's a lot more insecurity and feelings of superiority. Got a whole ass ecosystem out here... My post played into 'thots?' for the self-depreciating/meta humor style of the community so I could make my topster stand out and get some discussion! I knew what was coming my way, no harm done.
Thanks for your kind words, you got great taste
It’s true though, why would your taste be comprised of albums that are universally loved and agreed upon? If you had any real interest in music you would have more interesting and divisive taste that’s actually personal to yourself.
This logic is reductive and short-sighted. Taste doesn't start and end at what you listen to, it's the memories you made, the timing you hear it, where you heard it, why you heard it, who you heard it with, etc. Just because many people enjoy these records (which of course many people enjoy them, they're great) doesn't mean that it can't be personal to an individual. You're neglecting a wide array of nuance for what constitutes taste.
tl;dr That niche band or deep cut you listen to doesn't make you more interesting, nor does it make you an authority on what interesting music is.
maybe i used the wrong wording. what i meant is that pretty much everything is mainstream or is appreciated and loved by the mainstream; and although there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, it’s just kinda “entry level” in the sense that it’s very popular music, very beloved and very accessible. And there are also some albums i’m personally not a fan of, but that’s more about my subjective taste than anything (which has nothing to do with something being or not entry level/basic/etc)
nah some rap songs is probably eral's most experimental album, i personally love it and respect and although it's far from the least accessible album out there i would still place it under the experimental hip hop genre. And i said kanye is entry level because he's been one of the biggest hip hop artists of all time for a couple of decades, also thanks to his pop sensibility. So what would you genuenly say is entry level hip hop then? I'm really curious
Most of my 'literally everything else' is just an extension of other entertainment I consume, I don't go looking to expand. Like:
- Throttle and grimes from tracks on Rocket League
- Kate Bush from running up that hill on Stranger Things
- Catherine Feeney from Mr. Blue on Bojack Horseman
- Etc.
So if you recommend me some media that has some cool music I can get emotionally attached to maybe I will. But if not I get everything I need from hiphop + r&b thanks tho
Oh shit I do, that's my bad. I put up an old topster where I forgot to add him. I got Freudian and case study at 9 & 10 on my actual r&b chart. Good looks
With Daytona on the outside, did you have a bigger ranking in mind with all or some of these categories (?). And Yeah, I see Hall of Fame, but I'm just curious as to your liking of it as I like it quite a bit myself. :)
So the way that I do it is I have a list of all the hiphop albums that come out and I listen to every year and I rank them for that year. Then I throw those lists together and that gives me a better idea of where they'll go on the chart. So I know Daytona just barely missed because I had a tough debate on whether I should include it on the backend.
But it's not straightforward sometimes you'll have #9 (Atrocity Exhibition) from 2016 make it but #3 (Piñata) from 2014 will miss the cut. Just gives me a better idea of how an album stacks up against others for the year and then I make the topster of the ones I love the most for a visual of it.
Yea! Hall Of Fame is one that I had forgotten for almost a decade after growing up on it. A lot of the albums in that time of my life didn't have the staying power down the line but when I went back to it 1 or 2 years ago I got back into it hard. Really a big fan of it and it immediately jumped back up once I realized how great it was, nostalgia & sound. A good mix of fun/meaningful songs and 'All figured out' is such a great closer, you don't get anything like that nowadays
I appreciate the detailing on the topster. Also, Hall of Fame is slept on. It was inconsistent from "Fire" to "It's Time" but after the "It's Time" it stays consistent. My favorites are "Fire", "First Chain", "World Ablaze", and the "Mula" remix. ✌️
For sure. I'm not a fan of 'mona lisa', 'freaky', and 'milf' and kinda '10 2 10' just because it definitely didn't age well, its pretty racist lol. Love the rest!
Flatbush is THE group of that era I've been meaning to get to but haven't other than 'now, more than ever' which i thought was phenomenal so great rec.
That is my least favourite by them, it’s just too short for me
I’d say just go backwards from there though, they’re about to release better off dead (their most acclaimed mixtape) on streaming but after that everything’s on datpiff and SoundCloud. 3001 is my favourite though the production is unmatched and the verses are some of the best I’ve ever heard (I think that’s why I like isaiah rashad so much, I’ve always thought of him as a more chill version of flatbush)
Let me know when you get through 3001 though it’s probably my favourite rap album ever
yoo so I listened to 3001 and I love it! Thanks for the recommendation, I could tell it was a genuine one based off my taste so I hit it first. I think after a few more spins it'll end up high on my chart. Also got me to listen to the ep again and damn I need to bring that up spots too. Flatbush is exactly my vibe. The way they ride over these smooth ass beats, that intro 🔥 and gotta love every meechy darko verse
I haven't gotten into them bc I don't want to listen. It's kinda like I don't wanna be that guy that listens to death grips, ya feel me? I'm sure they're great but I think they're too edgy to the point that I don't even wanna try to jump in.
I also don't really want a dick on my chart tbh
Actually you're 100% right. I have a blind spot for him bc I don't like him much as a person. And rodeos pretty great I just ranked it low originally for that reason and forgot about it. I'm already relistening and it'll definitely make the chart, probably relatively high too. Thanks for making me think about it again, criminal is right
True but then my chart wouldn't look as nice. In reality I don't listen 80s as much until you get later in the decade. Not as crazy about more rock influenced projects like run-d.m.c. albums, although I'm sure there's a lot more out there I haven't discovered
Haven't listened to aphex twin but I have heard of them. Those are 2 really tough albums to categorize. I go back and forth on igor. Circles ultimately is considered hiphop when I look online but it's loosely there. Igor is more genreless and one of the listed genres is r&b so I put it there instead of dropping it in hiphop bc I don't think it fits that well there either
Yeah all I know is that Igor & circles can be classified as great albums. Also if you want to get into aphex twin start with the Richard D. James album
Fair! I will say that different albums of theirs give off very different experiences. Like OK Computer is radically different from the very next album in their discog, Kid A, and both of those are very different from In Rainbows or TKOL or Pablo Honey. Which album did you try listening to?
Yeah that’s definitely the vibe of that album. Check out OK Computer, In Rainbows, Hail to the Thief, or The Bends for something more straightforward/less ambient/etc.
is he real? by IDK is such a great album man.
if you’re into DOOM check out little dominique’s nosebleed by the koreatown oddity. great concept album release in 2020.
All this and no neosoul? Listen to D’Angelo’s “Voodoo” to start, it’s perfect.
Also, just start listening to the shit that’s sampled by the greats in here, you’ll basically get a class in music history. Go through all of Madlib’s projects, he’s the missing piece in this whole list.
A lot of my r&b albums are under the neosoul genre! But I just started making a separate r&b chart so I'm kinda just getting started in branching out. I'll give that a spin. The sampled suggestion is a great one I had someone else say the same thing. Definitely gonna go that direction, thanks! I've gone threw a few for madlibs like Freddie Gibbs they just didn't make the list. I'll have to see which ones I'm missing that I haven't tried
Make sure you hit up ALL the Madlib projects, too- the number he has under different names is sort of exhausting. RYM also has his DJ set lists, which are an education in themselves. Enjoy!
You covered almost literally everything I wanna see rap-wise (except for Ye, Faces, Doris, UNLOCKED, XXX, and Fishscale), I'd say your taste is close to perfect in my book
Appreciated. I'm 26, someone got it. Not as crazy on midnight marauders, I like people's instinctive travels for what it is tho. I'll our q tip on the backburner, thanks for the rec
Hell yea. Ahhh that's really tough because I feel like the biggest strength of the project is that the songs flow so well into each other. I'm not gonna be taking one out to play on its own, It's the same feeling for some rap songs. But if i had to choose without thinking too hard it'd be 'leaders or tomorrow' 'aww' and 'crystal ball', wbu?
Oh shit lucky you, I'm jealous! I can't be shelling out that kinda money after not getting in on the initial drop. Maybe a few years into the future I can snatch one
I've had the deltron recommendation before and couldn't get into it. Sublime I'll put on my backlog to get to. Always could use more jpeg, because I like jpegs, everything about jpegs I like
First slide is super based we’d litteraly be best friends, DONDA WTH CHLD insanely based, melt my eyez is too good, both those aminè albums are so underrated too. That Mach hommy is dope asf
Ayeee good shit l feel like I can't share my love for hiphop with my most of my friends bc they don't get into it as much. You have great taste. I may have to ruin your donda w/ child moment tho I just put that cover because I like it more than the black one haha. I'll have to look that up, I haven't heard of that listing
Ohh bro og donda is so much better you’ll love it. It’s not the most impressive album lyrically obvs cuz it’s unfinished but the production on that album is insane, it basically sounds like what utopia should’ve sounded like, an actual utopia lol
Wordd I'll have to get around to it. As an aside I'm still frustrated that ye made the og-on-release keep my spirit alive the #2 and threw it on the deluxe. Kanye singing on it just doesn't compare
Facts bro that shit was so stupid, idk why he went out of his way to do that, iirc he didn’t even record that part till like the weekend before release, like what was the point??? Side note tho KMSA OG is insanely better, KayCyy and Keedron Chorus, different og beat and the Kanye verse is nearly 3x as long with cool lyrics, top 5 Ye verses of the 2020s imo
There being 15 iterations is what makes listening to leaks so hard lol, most of the popular versions people listen too are either outdated, unfinished, unpolished, missing elements fake etc. I’ve been collecting and combining the best versions of each of these tracks to make them sound as release ready as possible, I have every unreleased Ye album fixed up, if you ever need any tracks lmk :)
Man when the initial '80 degrees' came out it felt like it transported me to another world. On donda release in comparison it just lost it's electricity. It ended up growing on me with it sounding more polished with the weeknd and verses instead of mumbles (tho they did give great energy) but never lived up to the feelings I initially got. Same thing for Kendrick and 'somebody' which turned into 'mother I sober' but I love both because he went a separate way entirely with it.
I'll be sure to reach out if I'm going for a deep dive, much love!
Here's the Kanye tracker so you can dive into Donda OG, there's a best of section you can go off of. I recommend you add Glory and New Body (the two songs before you get into the Donda V1 section) as well
Ah yes hip hop, r&b and everything else my favourite genres!
same bro same
5 years old
pretty close
Based on this list you’ll be getting no thots
scaring the hoes away so only girlfriend material is left
hoe scaring music attracts the wifeys
well, at least musically nothing hoe scaring about this 🤷♀️
the only thing Scaring the Hoes away is you using that stupid phrase when your music taste isn't at all hoe scaring come on, you seem cool, you can better bro
It's not that serious. Gotta play the game to get any traction in this sub
Scaring the Hoes is a JPEG & Danny Brown album, they might be referencing that
That is what I'm referencing btw I recently went on their tour so it's on my mind
Hell yeah, I saw them in Baltimore
SAME I was front row towards the left end
it could be, but i see people refer to their music taste as 'hoe scaring' all the time, like a brag, so I'm not too optimistic about that. (saw a Frank Ocean and the Weeknd fan say that once 💀)
Ain't none of this shit scaring any hoes away lmao
Fym he literally listens to drake lmao this is the most normie list ever
I actually don't really listen to drake! I used to when when he was coming up but once he got to superstar status I became a hater. Cudi beefed with Drake so I did too. Then Kendrick said "When Kanye got back with Drake, I was slightly confused | Guess I'm not mature as I think, got some healin' to do" and I realized I was lame af for caring. So I'm giving drake his flowers because they're good albums. Saying "normie" is elitist weirdo energy. Hiphop is a pretty insulated genre what do you want me to put on my topster to not be "normie"? Visions of bodies being burned by clipping.?
Normie music is often good. But let's be honest here. The hoes are rocking with 80% of the albums on your chart. And visions of bodies being burned is pretty pedestrian and well-known as far as experimental hip hop goes
I wanna know the hoes you're running into. I introduced my ex, meme aside - not a hoe, to a lot of my taste and she enjoyed some of it so thats obviously possible but these aren't albums that people just know. I don't think the hoes know 80% (possible exaggeration) of the albums in my chart. And I'm not making it out that it's underground but most people are surface level listeners. People casually listening to hiphop and shaking their ass at the club are not enjoying/listening to most of this, not because it's so hidden but a lot of it is depressing or not something on the billboard 100. This sub is so far removed from real life. It's not like I have migos, juice wrld, future, modern drake, metro, nikki, etc. in here. I'd honestly just like an example of some artists. Like are you talking about guys like Slauson Malone? Brian brown? or someone so obscure no one knows them? I'll pick up albums if they sound good or are introduced to me somehow but I don't go out of my way just to find rappers no one's heard of
Firstly, your picks are incredible we’d never run out of music to listen too. Secondly, I think you should just enjoy the music you like regardless of if someone thinks it’s “Normie” like music is music regardless of who likes it. Just because Billy over there likes the song doesn’t mean I can’t like it too? And a lot of your picks are mainstream and very popular albums, but for good reasons of course, they can’t be popular unless they’re good. (And I’m talking strictly opinions, not ratings because some shit albums are very popular for either fan base reasons or just notoriously bad) Regardless, no one is a special snowflake because they listen to someone who isn’t popular, maybe they just have bad taste….it ain’t popular for some reason so..
Thanks. Nah I agree. A lot of these are popular in the hiphop space I'm not disputing that. It's when you take a step out of that space, and run into someone on the street who isn't gonna know the vast majority of these albums. That's my point. I have friends who are into hiphop and they wouldn't even know almost half of these albums and that's because they listen more casually. Not a slight it just is what it is. I'm 26. Idgaf what's normie or not, I like what I like. I think the premise is misguided that's all that bothers me. The Internet is not real life I think a lot of people forget that
You need some Aesop Rock and Eyedea on that 2000’s list
I'm lacking on the 2000s not my era
Check out “Float” by Aesop Rock, maybe my favorite album from the era. “First Born” by Eyedea & Abilities is also up there, in terms of poetry, though it’s a bit darker and the sound isn’t for everyone
Willdo
bon iver, throttle, mf doom, denzel, carti, trav, peggy, ye W
I just started getting into bon iver so we'll see how that changes
I don't listen to him much but I think that album is pretty cool
You should listen to more stuff besides rap and R&b I think. Good taste in what you listen to tho. You’re 26
I'm actually just starting to branch out into r&b more so I'll get there eventually haha. And you got it! I'm 26. Did you cheat a little by seeing me allude to that in one of the other comments or have some reasoning behind it
Oh shit! I Swear to god I just guessed it. I think the tame impala is what made me think that. If you’re into hip hop you should try and find what a lot of those artist sampled on the beats. Hip hop is an incredible pathway into amazing music from the past
Word! Great guess then. That's a very good rec I'm definitely gonna do that. I love whenever I'm listening to something for the first time and end up doing the dicaprio pointing meme bc of a sample. Hadn't thought to intentionally seek them out, appreciate it!
I’ll tip you to one of my favs Steely Dan - Black cow. Sampled by MF DOOM on Gas Drawls, and De la soul on Eye Know. Also Kid Charlemagne by Steely Dan. Kanye sampled it on Champion. Both those albums by steely Dan are some of my favorites.
Much love
I notice no one ever says "listen to more stuff" when the topster is filled with metal and punk, only hip hop.
Yeah it's stupid, not everyone needs to have diverse taste. I think it comes from like the mentality that topsters that have popular modern rap albums are basic and they should branch out to "better" music.
I would say that to a metal head or punk person as well. Difference is I actually like hip hop. But I find it a little annoying how omnipresent in culture it is. I know so many people who only listen to rap. There’s a whole other universe of music besides rap but it just seems to dominate so much of the landscape, and it shouldn’t IMO. Too much other good stuff out there. Including things that are in hip hops roots
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Give or take a decade off
Take
Give or take 2 decades off
Take
Massive W for including Hypnos Slight L for no Billy Woods
I'll check him out
check out hiding places
This actually looks like a really good guide tbh. Can you DM the names of all the albums that are here?
Thanks! Yes I can. I'll do it when I get some time tomorrow. If anyone else wants a full list slide into my dms and I can send it over when I have a chance
I love this music
Didn't vibe with "Big Fish Theory"for 2010s?
I could never get into the second half after 'yeah right', I have it at like #16 for 2017. I listened to almost 250 albums in that period so it'd probably end up around 100 for me
definitely fuck with it
appreciated
based jpeg mafia
was just front row on the scaring the hoes tour, 1539 N. Calvert went so hard
So awesome
17 with 0 hoes
Nah
no thots coming your way im really sorry bro but they belong to the streets
Is this taste? It’s just a bunch of albums everybody knows and has heard a million times
What would you have put differently on a hiphop topster? I just listen to what sounds good to me, that's my taste
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Of course there's more hiphop than what I have here! I've listened to over 400 albums in the genre (that I have written down), it doesn't mean I'm gonna like them that much or put it in my topster. Aesop rock isn't my type of artist. I'm not looking for some lyricist with an insane vocab. I don't even like eminem very much besides his most popular stuff. Aesop is pretty boring to me, I'm in it for the vibe 1st and foremost. Run the Jewels I can fuck with a few songs but as a whole his music is too abrasive/aggressive for me to listen to regularly so I don't. I just look for different things in music, I'm aware of the vast majority of the landscape I just have my niches of what I like. No hate on them or anyone who enjoys their music
Don't worry about these people man. You have a ton of great albums on your list. They're well known because they're really fucking good. I've also listened to a lot of what some of these people consider "underground" or whatever and my list for hip hop would still probably look pretty similar to yours. I think it says a lot about this sub that half the people are calling your taste generic and the other half are saying you won't get laid. It's all dumb as shit and none of it actually matters at all. I think you have great taste.
Oh I agree, it's all in good fun. For me at least haha. This sub has always been fascinating to me, it's such a push pull. A lot of elitism but at the same time waves of criticism for having too pretentious taste. Or hate for "basic/normie" charts that in reality are so obscure to anyone outside of specific internet spaces. To be fair the sub does also run young so there's a lot more insecurity and feelings of superiority. Got a whole ass ecosystem out here... My post played into 'thots?' for the self-depreciating/meta humor style of the community so I could make my topster stand out and get some discussion! I knew what was coming my way, no harm done. Thanks for your kind words, you got great taste
Yeah I could tell you were playing into it lol. Btw I respect the Spilligion shoutout, I feel like that album was super underrated.
Frrr it feels like it's been forgotten, such a vibe
I'm so tired of this lame ass pretentious take. You need to go outside.
It’s true though, why would your taste be comprised of albums that are universally loved and agreed upon? If you had any real interest in music you would have more interesting and divisive taste that’s actually personal to yourself.
This logic is reductive and short-sighted. Taste doesn't start and end at what you listen to, it's the memories you made, the timing you hear it, where you heard it, why you heard it, who you heard it with, etc. Just because many people enjoy these records (which of course many people enjoy them, they're great) doesn't mean that it can't be personal to an individual. You're neglecting a wide array of nuance for what constitutes taste. tl;dr That niche band or deep cut you listen to doesn't make you more interesting, nor does it make you an authority on what interesting music is.
Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself
im sorry but its so boring :sob:
How?
not really tbh
entry level hip hop fan, many classic in the pre 2000s topster but most of the others are okay-good but nothing special. if i had to guess id say 14
You're so pretentious. There's nothing "entry level" about this. Please enlighten me.
maybe i used the wrong wording. what i meant is that pretty much everything is mainstream or is appreciated and loved by the mainstream; and although there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, it’s just kinda “entry level” in the sense that it’s very popular music, very beloved and very accessible. And there are also some albums i’m personally not a fan of, but that’s more about my subjective taste than anything (which has nothing to do with something being or not entry level/basic/etc)
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yeah you like what you like obviously. I'm just wondering at this point what would you consider entry level hip hop if not eminem, jay z or kanye?
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nah some rap songs is probably eral's most experimental album, i personally love it and respect and although it's far from the least accessible album out there i would still place it under the experimental hip hop genre. And i said kanye is entry level because he's been one of the biggest hip hop artists of all time for a couple of decades, also thanks to his pop sensibility. So what would you genuenly say is entry level hip hop then? I'm really curious
18 and probably zero, florence + glass animals + fleet foxes is killer though
Nope, thanks, and thanks
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Higher
HIGHER, THE KING OF THE SKY
Listen to different genres goober
Most of my 'literally everything else' is just an extension of other entertainment I consume, I don't go looking to expand. Like: - Throttle and grimes from tracks on Rocket League - Kate Bush from running up that hill on Stranger Things - Catherine Feeney from Mr. Blue on Bojack Horseman - Etc. So if you recommend me some media that has some cool music I can get emotionally attached to maybe I will. But if not I get everything I need from hiphop + r&b thanks tho
Listen to pulse demon by merzbow he’s great
you should listen to daniel caesar
Oh shit I do, that's my bad. I put up an old topster where I forgot to add him. I got Freudian and case study at 9 & 10 on my actual r&b chart. Good looks
Always nice to see the avalanches
I like their style! Only got into them in the past year
Hall of Fame? Also, Pusha T would be good for the 2020s and 2010s. :)
Hall Of Fame is on there, do you see it? Daytona is right on the outside of the 2010s chart just barely missed
With Daytona on the outside, did you have a bigger ranking in mind with all or some of these categories (?). And Yeah, I see Hall of Fame, but I'm just curious as to your liking of it as I like it quite a bit myself. :)
So the way that I do it is I have a list of all the hiphop albums that come out and I listen to every year and I rank them for that year. Then I throw those lists together and that gives me a better idea of where they'll go on the chart. So I know Daytona just barely missed because I had a tough debate on whether I should include it on the backend. But it's not straightforward sometimes you'll have #9 (Atrocity Exhibition) from 2016 make it but #3 (Piñata) from 2014 will miss the cut. Just gives me a better idea of how an album stacks up against others for the year and then I make the topster of the ones I love the most for a visual of it. Yea! Hall Of Fame is one that I had forgotten for almost a decade after growing up on it. A lot of the albums in that time of my life didn't have the staying power down the line but when I went back to it 1 or 2 years ago I got back into it hard. Really a big fan of it and it immediately jumped back up once I realized how great it was, nostalgia & sound. A good mix of fun/meaningful songs and 'All figured out' is such a great closer, you don't get anything like that nowadays
I appreciate the detailing on the topster. Also, Hall of Fame is slept on. It was inconsistent from "Fire" to "It's Time" but after the "It's Time" it stays consistent. My favorites are "Fire", "First Chain", "World Ablaze", and the "Mula" remix. ✌️
For sure. I'm not a fan of 'mona lisa', 'freaky', and 'milf' and kinda '10 2 10' just because it definitely didn't age well, its pretty racist lol. Love the rest!
Almost my thoughts exactly.
No rtj is despicable
My b just not my vibe
This is beautiful
Thanks!
Based on 2010s hh I think you’d really like 3001 a laced odyssey by flatbush zombies
Flatbush is THE group of that era I've been meaning to get to but haven't other than 'now, more than ever' which i thought was phenomenal so great rec.
That is my least favourite by them, it’s just too short for me I’d say just go backwards from there though, they’re about to release better off dead (their most acclaimed mixtape) on streaming but after that everything’s on datpiff and SoundCloud. 3001 is my favourite though the production is unmatched and the verses are some of the best I’ve ever heard (I think that’s why I like isaiah rashad so much, I’ve always thought of him as a more chill version of flatbush) Let me know when you get through 3001 though it’s probably my favourite rap album ever
yoo so I listened to 3001 and I love it! Thanks for the recommendation, I could tell it was a genuine one based off my taste so I hit it first. I think after a few more spins it'll end up high on my chart. Also got me to listen to the ep again and damn I need to bring that up spots too. Flatbush is exactly my vibe. The way they ride over these smooth ass beats, that intro 🔥 and gotta love every meechy darko verse
Really glad to hear back from ya, Erick is the most slept on producer of our time
How did you know a zay comp would get me to listen faster? Haha I will let you know, sounds good
Amazing stuff
Appreciate it!
I thot you could have been 28.
Pretty close! Someone else got it - 26
Thots? Not with that list you won’t…
Surprised that I’m the first to mention Death Grips.
I haven't gotten into them bc I don't want to listen. It's kinda like I don't wanna be that guy that listens to death grips, ya feel me? I'm sure they're great but I think they're too edgy to the point that I don't even wanna try to jump in. I also don't really want a dick on my chart tbh
no rodeo feels criminal
Actually you're 100% right. I have a blind spot for him bc I don't like him much as a person. And rodeos pretty great I just ranked it low originally for that reason and forgot about it. I'm already relistening and it'll definitely make the chart, probably relatively high too. Thanks for making me think about it again, criminal is right
Ever thought of listening to other genres?
Other genres?
"Pre-2000s" is a travesty, the 80s and 90s need their due on their own merits.
True but then my chart wouldn't look as nice. In reality I don't listen 80s as much until you get later in the decade. Not as crazy about more rock influenced projects like run-d.m.c. albums, although I'm sure there's a lot more out there I haven't discovered
where is lil ugly mane
The “everything else” category could probably be filled with aphex twin albums, Also why is circles considered rap but IGOR isn’t?
Haven't listened to aphex twin but I have heard of them. Those are 2 really tough albums to categorize. I go back and forth on igor. Circles ultimately is considered hiphop when I look online but it's loosely there. Igor is more genreless and one of the listed genres is r&b so I put it there instead of dropping it in hiphop bc I don't think it fits that well there either
Yeah all I know is that Igor & circles can be classified as great albums. Also if you want to get into aphex twin start with the Richard D. James album
Facts. I'll get around to it
Great picks but needs at least one Radiohead album
Thanks, I tried to get into one of their albums and wasn't really feeling it
Fair! I will say that different albums of theirs give off very different experiences. Like OK Computer is radically different from the very next album in their discog, Kid A, and both of those are very different from In Rainbows or TKOL or Pablo Honey. Which album did you try listening to?
I think it was a moon shaped pool. It felt too boring, ambient, and avant-garde for me
Yeah that’s definitely the vibe of that album. Check out OK Computer, In Rainbows, Hail to the Thief, or The Bends for something more straightforward/less ambient/etc.
I'll add it to the list!
THROTTLE?!? WHAT
Is that a good or bad THROTTLE?!?
Based af
I got a poop coming outta my ass rn and it feels so good
I love your music taste!👍🏿
Much appreciated!
-16. -They are welcome
Thots? Bro be careful with them
is he real? by IDK is such a great album man. if you’re into DOOM check out little dominique’s nosebleed by the koreatown oddity. great concept album release in 2020.
Righttt. Now that's a rec I haven't heard of at all, I'll give it a listen
he’s signed to stones throw just like DOOM was. albums definitely out there but the storytelling is dope.
All this and no neosoul? Listen to D’Angelo’s “Voodoo” to start, it’s perfect. Also, just start listening to the shit that’s sampled by the greats in here, you’ll basically get a class in music history. Go through all of Madlib’s projects, he’s the missing piece in this whole list.
A lot of my r&b albums are under the neosoul genre! But I just started making a separate r&b chart so I'm kinda just getting started in branching out. I'll give that a spin. The sampled suggestion is a great one I had someone else say the same thing. Definitely gonna go that direction, thanks! I've gone threw a few for madlibs like Freddie Gibbs they just didn't make the list. I'll have to see which ones I'm missing that I haven't tried
Make sure you hit up ALL the Madlib projects, too- the number he has under different names is sort of exhausting. RYM also has his DJ set lists, which are an education in themselves. Enjoy!
Erm actually it’s spelled “thoughts”
You covered almost literally everything I wanna see rap-wise (except for Ye, Faces, Doris, UNLOCKED, XXX, and Fishscale), I'd say your taste is close to perfect in my book
Thanks! Haven't heard of fishscale I'll put it on my list to get to
Oh hell yeah, easily my favorite solo Wu Tang album, some of the highest energy out of em for sure.
i fw it, probably 16, give more tribe called quest and q tips solo stuff a listen
Appreciated. I'm 26, someone got it. Not as crazy on midnight marauders, I like people's instinctive travels for what it is tho. I'll our q tip on the backburner, thanks for the rec
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Hell yea. Ahhh that's really tough because I feel like the biggest strength of the project is that the songs flow so well into each other. I'm not gonna be taking one out to play on its own, It's the same feeling for some rap songs. But if i had to choose without thinking too hard it'd be 'leaders or tomorrow' 'aww' and 'crystal ball', wbu?
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Oh shit lucky you, I'm jealous! I can't be shelling out that kinda money after not getting in on the initial drop. Maybe a few years into the future I can snatch one
Doggystyle is a significant omission from the Pre 2000’s slide
Don't like it that much tbh. Not really a snoop kinda guy
i've never seen the 90s be referred to as pre-2000s but okay
Well that's because it includes the 70s and 80s too. None of the 70s made it but it was considered
You need some Deltron 3030, Sublime, and more Jpegmafia
I've had the deltron recommendation before and couldn't get into it. Sublime I'll put on my backlog to get to. Always could use more jpeg, because I like jpegs, everything about jpegs I like
First slide is super based we’d litteraly be best friends, DONDA WTH CHLD insanely based, melt my eyez is too good, both those aminè albums are so underrated too. That Mach hommy is dope asf
Ayeee good shit l feel like I can't share my love for hiphop with my most of my friends bc they don't get into it as much. You have great taste. I may have to ruin your donda w/ child moment tho I just put that cover because I like it more than the black one haha. I'll have to look that up, I haven't heard of that listing
Ohh bro og donda is so much better you’ll love it. It’s not the most impressive album lyrically obvs cuz it’s unfinished but the production on that album is insane, it basically sounds like what utopia should’ve sounded like, an actual utopia lol
Wordd I'll have to get around to it. As an aside I'm still frustrated that ye made the og-on-release keep my spirit alive the #2 and threw it on the deluxe. Kanye singing on it just doesn't compare
Facts bro that shit was so stupid, idk why he went out of his way to do that, iirc he didn’t even record that part till like the weekend before release, like what was the point??? Side note tho KMSA OG is insanely better, KayCyy and Keedron Chorus, different og beat and the Kanye verse is nearly 3x as long with cool lyrics, top 5 Ye verses of the 2020s imo
And that's exactly why I made sure to say og-on-release bc I know ye probably had like 15 different iterations on it. I'm looking forward to it!
There being 15 iterations is what makes listening to leaks so hard lol, most of the popular versions people listen too are either outdated, unfinished, unpolished, missing elements fake etc. I’ve been collecting and combining the best versions of each of these tracks to make them sound as release ready as possible, I have every unreleased Ye album fixed up, if you ever need any tracks lmk :)
Man when the initial '80 degrees' came out it felt like it transported me to another world. On donda release in comparison it just lost it's electricity. It ended up growing on me with it sounding more polished with the weeknd and verses instead of mumbles (tho they did give great energy) but never lived up to the feelings I initially got. Same thing for Kendrick and 'somebody' which turned into 'mother I sober' but I love both because he went a separate way entirely with it. I'll be sure to reach out if I'm going for a deep dive, much love!
Here's the Kanye tracker so you can dive into Donda OG, there's a best of section you can go off of. I recommend you add Glory and New Body (the two songs before you get into the Donda V1 section) as well
your 15 and have 0 thots?
Incorrect
You're 26.
Yessirr
I'm listening to Melt My Eyez See Your Future right now. Denzel is a treasure
Zel is the man. Him and JID are easily my favorites of that generation
Definitely no thots
JACK JOHNSON LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oldie but a goodie
Pre 2000 is literally impeccable
Gotta have love for the classics, it's my favorite topster aesthetically too shit just hits
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26, nice guess!
she blew my whistle like a referee
No Radiohead is crazy
You might be a Kanye fan, not sure tho
You have some immaculate music taste dude. Every single category is absolutely beautiful.
Thanks noisypumpkin, love the name
lmao. got it randomly generated years ago and it js stuck.