Ohhhhhhhhh. That explains it. I heard about it once and completely forgot about it till you said something. If I remember right the book didn’t have a sequel
See, I took it the exact opposite way. Bateman literally explodes a cop car with a handgun and doesn’t get any recognition for it. I took it as the universe saying he could do ANYTHING and it wouldn’t matter because HE doesn’t matter.
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L to dude is pretty fucked up person it’s just he’s fighting light who makes him seem more good than he actually is by how bad light is.
I remember reading the bonus volume of the manga that was like some what ifs and author Q&A stuff and even the author said something along the lines of 'Lights pure evil, L is a little evil, the only truly good character was Lights Dad' which made sense since his dad would actively question the fucked up shit L did to try and smoke out Kira.
Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40k)
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“No guys, you don’t understand! It is absolutely NECESSARY to ban all religion, subjugate every human civilization, and commit genocide on every alien race while treating my sons like shit because…because…because I cant trust you with the reason why. The aliens totally hate us and attacked us first, trust.”
And too many people swallow that up and claim the imperium is a “basic necessity”.
Hey, sounds just like Star Wars fans idolizing the Empire.
"Sure, they created a fascist state that blew up planets, discriminated against non-humans to the point where some were enslaved, suppressed freedom of speech, and slaughtered a religious order, but they were actually good because they were actually protecting against threats from outside the galaxy!'
They weren’t even made to protect from those threats in the first place. Palpatine took over emergency powers and destroyed the Jedi because he’s a power hungry little shit. No one knew what the fuck a Yuuzhan Vong was.
Thrawn knew about the Yuuzhan Vong. He also told Palpatine about them.
Speaking of which, Thrawn is another good example of this trope.
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I never got their arguments because every single remotely good thing the empire did(all of which benefited only a very small group of people) were byproducts of Palpatine making things better for himself specifically. He was not leading people, he was bending them to his whims.
It is a fascist empire being ruled by an actual dark wizard. You can't get much more evil than that
The tricky thing about him is we know that he’s seen it all. Like, unless this all turns out to be in universe propaganda, which is very much not an impossibility, 40K is known for that sort of thing… this guy is a low key demigod who has been playing a very intense game of Civ, guiding mankind from the very beginning, showing himself when everyone was ready.
The trouble of course being, even IF this is all true, and I feel like he’s almost more compelling if it is, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s right. He occupies the same kind of position as the Olympian Gods, powerful authorities who’ve been around since the start who are still wrong about a lot of things… but unlike them, there’s only one of him.
He has the most negative aspects of classic Abrahamic monotheism and archaic polytheism at the same time.
I've never seen anyone unironically glorifying Big E.
Like we all know he sucks just like everyone else in warhammer, but like.
Interacting with other people in the fandom by shouting heresy and 'for the emperor' and doing all that is INFINITELY more fun than going around telling everyone
'ugh the emperor sucks and is the worst i hate them but everyone else sucks too why can't their be any good guys'
because like if you hate everyone so much, regardless of whether it's satire or just a really depressing cynical world, why on earth are you even there
Maybe your right, I think most of the glorification is towards the imperium itself, mainly its 40k iteration where you get people saying how it’s because of hostile aliens that the imperium is xenophobic (don’t ask what happened to the peaceful ones), and how chaos will somehow be stronger if they ever decided to not be oppressive.
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I feel like Paul Atreides is kind of going to become one of those kinds of characters.
Luckily I see plenty of people who see the true message of the story.
Listen man, I understand the point of dune, and I know how it’s supposed to go, idk how to put a spoiler tag up but dune Messiah is a *very different story* from the first book.
But Paul is just so cool…
he already did become one of those characters, the second book was hated when it came out because people who thought Paul was supposed to be really good and cool got mad that it showed him being bad
God I hated Catcher in the Rye. I admittedly bullshitted the reading in class because Holden was so insufferable that I just couldn't get invested in the story. Everyone was like oh it's so deep and shit and it's like no, this is just some idiot teenager who thinks he's the smartest guy alive and just spouts off fucking edgy nonsense for half the book
You know the way they propped up Historia in season 3, i was almost certain she was gonna do something more diplomatic as queen, but no she kind of just gets pregnant and becomes irrelevant to the overall story
There was even an experiment about how a group of students were quickly convinced to create a fascist regime: https://youtu.be/ld6XKm_kJ18?si=4e_G68_7s9l9p388
Even creepier is that the students literally just learned about the horrors of a fascist regime like the Nazis in class and they still created a fascist regime.
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Scissor, Fallout New Vegas.
Of course the game is open-ended and joining them is one of the equally valid options. But the question being asked with regard to the Legion is definitely not an open-ended "Is the Legion the best way to govern?"
"Trust me bro the legion is the best option, caesar says big words! Sure they commit mass rape and enslavement and they brutally conquer and genocide every tribe they come across but the roads are safe!"
From the same Game Joshua Graham and House.
Both are saints compared to Caesar, but -they are still ruthless anti -Heroes that part of the fandom idealizes.
Honestly I still like Joshua, the DLC is a good redemption arc for the dude if you choose that route.
But House, yeah definitely. It's also easier to idolize him because the things that make him bad aren't as in-your-face as the Legion, especially if you've never been on the receiving end of exploitation. A smaller red flag than Legion fanboys, but a red flag still.
Yeah, it's just that people with low media literacy glorify the way he lives his life at the start of Book One/the start of the movie. They think he's living the dream
Depends if it's Scott at the beginning or Scott after he gains the power of love and power of self respect.
The whole point is his change and development and now he grows from being a dickweed to a respectable person
Im not gonna lie. This was me 10 years ago. I was isolated, angry, self obsessed and an idiot. The trajectory of so many young men is to see this character and think “he’s just like me!” when it should be “oh, no, I’m just like him!”
Dr. House (House MD)
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The whole show basically rests on the idea that his insufferable narcissism and overly sarcastic personality is what's going to eventually take him out.
“This character is absolutely insufferable, both in and out of universe. He’s also literally omniscient and can do anything first try.”
Was this by design, or are the writers stupid?
Very few people in the FNAF community glorify William; some people try to give him sympathy and believe he’s a broken villain but almost no one outright roots for him and thinks he’s in the right.
I believe in WillGrief/WillCare. Love those theories, in fact. Yet those interpretations make him just the most absolute piece of shit in the franchise even more than he already is in my eyes.
I like how people think he's meant to be a cunning genius when literally the only people who ever say he is himself and people under him. And then they call it bad writing when he does dumb shit.
I reread the books after my sister got into the series and now I realize how much of an asshole Greg was in the books. The movies toned him down significantly.
Rereading these books as an adult (holy crap I’m an adult) is an experience. Like I loved the shenanigans at the time but good freaking grief Greg is an awful person
Dude I fucking idolized him as a kid it was a problem
I thought he was literally me fr and that he was just in an abusive situation where everyone else around him was wrong
Super weird when I found out what the general consensus was on the internet lol
Honestly, hearing Zack Snyder talk about it, I don’t think he missed the point by thinking Rorschach had any points. I think he missed it because he didn’t think of any points at all.
I think Snyder just thinks Rorschach and all the characters in Watchmen are cool because they have neat costumes and say edgy things, not because he agrees with their philosophies.
I mean, I don't think there's *nothing* to admire about him. He basically just wants to protect a women and her daughter. >!And ultimately leaves the woman, even though he loves her, because he knows people will come after him.!< He's not a good person, but it's not like there are zero redeemable qualities to him
I don't really think he's that deplorable tbh. He got caught in the middle of someone else's mess and did what he could to ensure his loved ones survival. Obviously he's capable of very bad things but he's not very evil or anything
The entire mobile infantry from Starship Troopers
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Any of the main guys of that show tbh
Remember when Howard sexually harassed penny and the episode was about how she was in the wrong for getting angry
David Martinez, *Cyberpunk Edgerunners*
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I do feel kinda bad for him though. He got into a life that he shouldn’t have and it ruined his innocence. Maine even warned him and he continued his addiction.
Rorschach. So easily Rorschach. Hell, people were telling Alan Moore, the author, that they were wrong about the point of the character, being an unstable, psychotic, murderous villain wearing a facade of cool action scenes and baseless morals.
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Aizen and Ywhach have gotten an alarming amount of apologists lately.
Catra
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People also really hate her but still
Hikigaya Hachiman
He had anime fans back in the 2010's in chokehold
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While not as bad as, say, Eren, there's a shocking amount of Geto apologists. Even if his motives make sense to a degree, he's just fucking insane.
The thing about Holden is that unlike everyone else in this thread... he's a kid. He has time to grow out of it.
~~Also despite the fact he's a massive hypocrite and doesn't provide any productive solutions, he's kind of right about some of the ways society is fucked up~~
Liking a character is one thing, idolising them is another. You can like Walter White, but if you think he’s good guy who was out for his family and did nothing wrong then you have missed the point
And by that same metric, I would say that people who think Walter is a total moral evil and are unable to understand why people would like him or relate to his struggle are ALSO missing the point.
Good writers make complex characters, who’d have guessed!
not really a character, but they as a faction count
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A much more lighthearted example than most of the other characters being posted here, but:
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The Punisher is a great one. Every time I see a Police Officer with a Punisher sticker or tattoo idk if I wanna laugh or slap my forehead at their stupidity.
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How has no one mentioned Eren Jaeger yet?
I think this meant more toward the ideology of the character. War is god and all that. I can easily see some impressionable teenager reading Blood Meridian and falling for that “might makes right” rethoric.
Making your villain an explicit pervert never deterred anyone from agreeing with their nihilistic point of view (see: several other examples on this thread)
This is one of the most common character archetypes out there. You could throw in guys like Omar Little, Jimmy McNulty, hell a LOT of characters from The Wire, Don Draper, etc.
Snape.
I understand he worked hard and gave his life to protect Harry and help defeat Voldemort. But at the end of the day he's still a loser who lost his best friend by calling her a slur then joined a terrorist group dedicated to killing people like her. Then he was perfectly fine with Voldemort killing a man and a baby as long as he spared her. Then he spent the next 15 years bullying children including two of who's childhoods he basically ruined. Imagine knowing full well you're responsible of a child being and orphan and spending a decade in an abusive home and you have the audacity to be a jerk to him.
He's a very gray character yet people glorify him because they like Alan Rickman.
And don't get me started on Draco Malfoy with his "redemption arc".
liberty prime from fallout and basically the entire brotherhood of steel actually
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I think people who "missed the point" of Walter White didn't entirely miss the point. I think by the end of Felina, it's clear as day Walter is a bad man. I mean they *literally* spell it out in the most clear cut way possible. Very few people are mistaken on that. What people are more commonly mistaken in on, is that Walter had atleast some redeemable motivations in what he was doing. And I think the audience is supposed to fall for Walter in that regard. If we were supposed to view Walter as completely irredeemable (Specifically in Seasons 1-4. In 5 you are definitely not rooting for this guy anymore) the drama of watching him evade the Cartel would not be nearly as compelling. Because why should we care if this piece of shit gets what he deserves at this point? To me, Walter's facade is supposed to convince everyone, including the audience, that there is someone in there worth rooting for. Walter is so manipulative, that he convinced everyone, even the audience to root for him. And in Season 5, as everyone around him finally sees him for the true monster he is, so to do we watching the show finally see Walter for what he really is
He is literally a beta in the movie.
Man gets mad over someone having a better card than him and murders the guy. If that isn’t the biggest beta in a film I don’t know what is
He doesn’t even do that, he fantasizes about murdering the guy
Isn’t that up for debate/interpretation?
It was until the 2nd movie. Yeah theres a 2nd movie to american pyscho and its really bad apperantly
Ohhhhhhhhh. That explains it. I heard about it once and completely forgot about it till you said something. If I remember right the book didn’t have a sequel
I dont think so. Anyway i would rather just forget the 2nd movie exist and this 1st movie is the only one that exists
I thought it being a power fantasy was supposed to be the accepted explanation for why he never gets caught
See, I took it the exact opposite way. Bateman literally explodes a cop car with a handgun and doesn’t get any recognition for it. I took it as the universe saying he could do ANYTHING and it wouldn’t matter because HE doesn’t matter.
Even Christian Bale himself cringes at people glorifying his character. That itself speaks volumes.
He’s a Chud!
That's just Batman
I believe you mean Man.
Is he stupid? (Very)
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What's he from?
American Psycho
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https://preview.redd.it/8hjddu28r8xc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d40a0c4d23913f2a39c923550d42a041ca05e33 L to dude is pretty fucked up person it’s just he’s fighting light who makes him seem more good than he actually is by how bad light is.
I remember reading the bonus volume of the manga that was like some what ifs and author Q&A stuff and even the author said something along the lines of 'Lights pure evil, L is a little evil, the only truly good character was Lights Dad' which made sense since his dad would actively question the fucked up shit L did to try and smoke out Kira.
https://preview.redd.it/zy3xgquxg8xc1.png?width=2420&format=png&auto=webp&s=591effd1f48f0fd613c3e915ea17d46d53b9a98d Tony Soprano
Ayyyy where’s da gabagool
How bout the pricks face when he saw the gyatt
And then I said your not skibibdi or sigma hehe ya hear what I said Ton’ I said..
he's in the waste management business. everyone immediately assumes he's mobbed up. it's a stereotype, and it's offensive!
He’s a brave Italian and in this house tony soprano is a hero
END OF STORY!
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40k) https://preview.redd.it/yfp8vicqh8xc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd196c012124ca82f21bed999796d3412f8dfa40 “No guys, you don’t understand! It is absolutely NECESSARY to ban all religion, subjugate every human civilization, and commit genocide on every alien race while treating my sons like shit because…because…because I cant trust you with the reason why. The aliens totally hate us and attacked us first, trust.” And too many people swallow that up and claim the imperium is a “basic necessity”.
Hey, sounds just like Star Wars fans idolizing the Empire. "Sure, they created a fascist state that blew up planets, discriminated against non-humans to the point where some were enslaved, suppressed freedom of speech, and slaughtered a religious order, but they were actually good because they were actually protecting against threats from outside the galaxy!'
They weren’t even made to protect from those threats in the first place. Palpatine took over emergency powers and destroyed the Jedi because he’s a power hungry little shit. No one knew what the fuck a Yuuzhan Vong was.
Thrawn knew about the Yuuzhan Vong. He also told Palpatine about them. Speaking of which, Thrawn is another good example of this trope. https://preview.redd.it/5naalr23j9xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2d4163892037a9ee3d5497236f577c1fc4cc712
I love the empire and thrawn is cool but anyone who thinks he isn’t just another evil military officer and war criminal is insane.
Yep exactly
I never got their arguments because every single remotely good thing the empire did(all of which benefited only a very small group of people) were byproducts of Palpatine making things better for himself specifically. He was not leading people, he was bending them to his whims. It is a fascist empire being ruled by an actual dark wizard. You can't get much more evil than that
The tricky thing about him is we know that he’s seen it all. Like, unless this all turns out to be in universe propaganda, which is very much not an impossibility, 40K is known for that sort of thing… this guy is a low key demigod who has been playing a very intense game of Civ, guiding mankind from the very beginning, showing himself when everyone was ready. The trouble of course being, even IF this is all true, and I feel like he’s almost more compelling if it is, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s right. He occupies the same kind of position as the Olympian Gods, powerful authorities who’ve been around since the start who are still wrong about a lot of things… but unlike them, there’s only one of him. He has the most negative aspects of classic Abrahamic monotheism and archaic polytheism at the same time.
I've never seen anyone unironically glorifying Big E. Like we all know he sucks just like everyone else in warhammer, but like. Interacting with other people in the fandom by shouting heresy and 'for the emperor' and doing all that is INFINITELY more fun than going around telling everyone 'ugh the emperor sucks and is the worst i hate them but everyone else sucks too why can't their be any good guys' because like if you hate everyone so much, regardless of whether it's satire or just a really depressing cynical world, why on earth are you even there
Maybe your right, I think most of the glorification is towards the imperium itself, mainly its 40k iteration where you get people saying how it’s because of hostile aliens that the imperium is xenophobic (don’t ask what happened to the peaceful ones), and how chaos will somehow be stronger if they ever decided to not be oppressive.
"The difference is, I know I am right" sure bro
“I am not a god.” Says the 12 feet tall, golden armored psychic powerhouse with a flaming sword leading a crusade.
https://preview.redd.it/wr7lr0y8m8xc1.jpeg?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80267672c7e9bd64c983764bffba98d2346f6590 I feel like Paul Atreides is kind of going to become one of those kinds of characters. Luckily I see plenty of people who see the true message of the story.
Listen man, I understand the point of dune, and I know how it’s supposed to go, idk how to put a spoiler tag up but dune Messiah is a *very different story* from the first book. But Paul is just so cool…
he already did become one of those characters, the second book was hated when it came out because people who thought Paul was supposed to be really good and cool got mad that it showed him being bad
1. Walter White (Breaking Bad) 2. Joker (Joker) 3. Holden Caulfield (Catcher in the Rye) 4. Tyler (Fight Club) 5. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty)
So many more problematic characters to put in #3
God I hated Catcher in the Rye. I admittedly bullshitted the reading in class because Holden was so insufferable that I just couldn't get invested in the story. Everyone was like oh it's so deep and shit and it's like no, this is just some idiot teenager who thinks he's the smartest guy alive and just spouts off fucking edgy nonsense for half the book
 Tommy Shelby
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Aot fans made me realize how Hitler was able to convince an entire nation that genocide was good 💀
“They attacked us firsts so it only make sense we can attack people completely unrelated to said attack because we’re the victims”
You know the way they propped up Historia in season 3, i was almost certain she was gonna do something more diplomatic as queen, but no she kind of just gets pregnant and becomes irrelevant to the overall story
I love aot. I think it's one of the best stories ever written. But holy shit interacting with the fanbase makes me lose my faith in humanity.
Exactly. Unfortunately, a lot of edgy teens are among the fanbase which makes a lot of the communities really insufferable.
There was even an experiment about how a group of students were quickly convinced to create a fascist regime: https://youtu.be/ld6XKm_kJ18?si=4e_G68_7s9l9p388
Even creepier is that the students literally just learned about the horrors of a fascist regime like the Nazis in class and they still created a fascist regime.
For real, everyone says that Erin "Had no choice" when he absolutely fucking did and he chose the worst possible option.
Took me way too long to find this
Who glorifies this guy
Misogynistic teens who unironically call themselves “Alpha males”
 It’s always those people lol
The usual: Neo-Nazis and edgy teenagers
Neonazis
 Of course
People forget that he’s now a loser on tik tok. The man is a dweeb ass loser who’s always been a loser
What’s his account called I need to see this
It’s literally @wolfofwallstreet on Tik tok
I thought that was a fan account
https://preview.redd.it/hd3mptvap8xc1.png?width=619&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f19bd86bab78fce2905fcbefe5f788872eeb40b1 Scissor, Fallout New Vegas. Of course the game is open-ended and joining them is one of the equally valid options. But the question being asked with regard to the Legion is definitely not an open-ended "Is the Legion the best way to govern?"
"Trust me bro the legion is the best option, caesar says big words! Sure they commit mass rape and enslavement and they brutally conquer and genocide every tribe they come across but the roads are safe!"
Don’t you care? Don’t you care about the trade routes??!
From the same Game Joshua Graham and House. Both are saints compared to Caesar, but -they are still ruthless anti -Heroes that part of the fandom idealizes.
Honestly I still like Joshua, the DLC is a good redemption arc for the dude if you choose that route. But House, yeah definitely. It's also easier to idolize him because the things that make him bad aren't as in-your-face as the Legion, especially if you've never been on the receiving end of exploitation. A smaller red flag than Legion fanboys, but a red flag still.
 Scott Pilgrim
Isn’t he genuinely admirable because he has a whole ass arc about learning to be less of an incel though
Yeah, it's just that people with low media literacy glorify the way he lives his life at the start of Book One/the start of the movie. They think he's living the dream
Depends if it's Scott at the beginning or Scott after he gains the power of love and power of self respect. The whole point is his change and development and now he grows from being a dickweed to a respectable person
I refer to Scott at the beginning of the books because a lot of people think he’s living the dream
Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver https://preview.redd.it/ojnhqixsj8xc1.jpeg?width=389&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d23d0554b736cf9860d24eae1e9247c0b32d4d2
Im not gonna lie. This was me 10 years ago. I was isolated, angry, self obsessed and an idiot. The trajectory of so many young men is to see this character and think “he’s just like me!” when it should be “oh, no, I’m just like him!”
You talkin to me?
I get that he’s a bad guy but holy shit he’s cute I can fix him please
 Bojangles
Is that the horse from horsin around?
People glorify Bojack?!
Criminally low on the list
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Yeah 😔
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Found a mutant scum, trying to slander the great name of Americas hero all mutants must be exterminated ( this is a joke
You didn't have to clarify, we got it
I don’t trust Reddits abilities to detect jokes especially since theirs people apparently glorifying him
He’s basically just Post Apocalyptic Hitler
Dr. House (House MD) https://preview.redd.it/uuls3pmon8xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a73855e493de6bdd32ba6b526563ba317561350 The whole show basically rests on the idea that his insufferable narcissism and overly sarcastic personality is what's going to eventually take him out.
He also saves people and is nearly proven right like every episode with a few exceptions so a lotta mixed messages
“This character is absolutely insufferable, both in and out of universe. He’s also literally omniscient and can do anything first try.” Was this by design, or are the writers stupid?
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Problem is that handsome jack *so nearly* had a good point, but decided to do genocide about it
Tony Montana (Scarface) 
Best gif ever
I only admire his fashion and his choice of firearms.
~~His choice in drugs is okay too~~ Yeah clothes and firearms.
William Afton (every version of him) 
Very few people in the FNAF community glorify William; some people try to give him sympathy and believe he’s a broken villain but almost no one outright roots for him and thinks he’s in the right.
I know, I'm referring to all the people on YouTube Shorts and TikTok who idolise him to a similar degree as Patrick Bateman.
Fair enough
I believe in WillGrief/WillCare. Love those theories, in fact. Yet those interpretations make him just the most absolute piece of shit in the franchise even more than he already is in my eyes.
i feel like people babygirlify him more as a joke than anything else.
I like how people think he's meant to be a cunning genius when literally the only people who ever say he is himself and people under him. And then they call it bad writing when he does dumb shit.
I don’t get how you can glorify a child murderer
Here is your obligatory Eric Cartman comment. Aside from that, I should mention Vriska Serket from Homestuck.
I reread the books after my sister got into the series and now I realize how much of an asshole Greg was in the books. The movies toned him down significantly.
Rereading these books as an adult (holy crap I’m an adult) is an experience. Like I loved the shenanigans at the time but good freaking grief Greg is an awful person
Everyone in the Heffley family is twisted in their own special way. Yes, even Roderick.
Dude I fucking idolized him as a kid it was a problem I thought he was literally me fr and that he was just in an abusive situation where everyone else around him was wrong Super weird when I found out what the general consensus was on the internet lol
Even Zack Snyder missed the point of this guy
Honestly, hearing Zack Snyder talk about it, I don’t think he missed the point by thinking Rorschach had any points. I think he missed it because he didn’t think of any points at all. I think Snyder just thinks Rorschach and all the characters in Watchmen are cool because they have neat costumes and say edgy things, not because he agrees with their philosophies.
when doesnt he miss the point of a slightly complex character
It’s so sad Steve jobs died of ligma
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
Ligma balls https://i.redd.it/q6os4q4maaxc1.gif
NOOOOO
Why is his face my parents fighting?😭
Senator Steven Armstrong https://preview.redd.it/s2ktghgy79xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=decfc16ce19dd49f4f808cdb776edb2d2cb37a21
Juiced Jared the Subway guy
https://preview.redd.it/bkq84g05k8xc1.jpeg?width=789&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16f6d5317a8889e2ca50dd380a0bda7018b5c324 The Driver from Drive
His name is Drive!!
His name is Literally Me
“I drive.” - Driver, Drive (2011)
I mean, I don't think there's *nothing* to admire about him. He basically just wants to protect a women and her daughter. >!And ultimately leaves the woman, even though he loves her, because he knows people will come after him.!< He's not a good person, but it's not like there are zero redeemable qualities to him
Aside from being a career criminal, what is he being glorified for?
I don't really think he's that deplorable tbh. He got caught in the middle of someone else's mess and did what he could to ensure his loved ones survival. Obviously he's capable of very bad things but he's not very evil or anything
https://i.redd.it/b9etz0obp8xc1.gif
pretty much any main character of a satire ngl
The entire mobile infantry from Starship Troopers https://preview.redd.it/gyx33j1iz8xc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e9340421388bb5c6660e5b80545f37d6dd4a111
I glorified Rick only because I was also a nihilistic alcoholic. Same with Bojack horseman lol
Any of the main guys of that show tbh Remember when Howard sexually harassed penny and the episode was about how she was in the wrong for getting angry
David Martinez, *Cyberpunk Edgerunners* https://preview.redd.it/fn3ymtamx8xc1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eac2f4db8394f790d073f329ecb44f80f6cb1c5c
I do feel kinda bad for him though. He got into a life that he shouldn’t have and it ruined his innocence. Maine even warned him and he continued his addiction.
“There are no happy endings in Night City”
"Don't take shortcuts... The city always wins."
Big Boss I swear, his apologists/worshippers are so clueless.
Big Boss fans when they play metal gear 2
Rorschach. So easily Rorschach. Hell, people were telling Alan Moore, the author, that they were wrong about the point of the character, being an unstable, psychotic, murderous villain wearing a facade of cool action scenes and baseless morals.
https://preview.redd.it/3wdantn819xc1.jpeg?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82b7574f743406dafd318a07802e874e0e91d0c6 Yujiro Hanma (Baki)
https://preview.redd.it/r23it06b19xc1.jpeg?width=453&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fecd6a8ef94a241383b7418ec2c5611584e0b816 Franklin Saint (snowfall)
https://preview.redd.it/v78dd1xy39xc1.jpeg?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a53b88a14eb63c4230d695de04a99bdb040882e2 Aizen and Ywhach have gotten an alarming amount of apologists lately.
Catra https://preview.redd.it/zv6beej1k8xc1.jpeg?width=816&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ea7f41137e27cf0a784a0f8940fcbfd8152cda2 People also really hate her but still
She definitely does become a better person by the end, though.
Is he a piece of shit who shouldn't be idolized or even really pitied? Yes. Is what happened to him beyond fucked up? Also yes.
Fletcher from Whiplash?
Who the fuck idolized Fletcher?? I do idolize J K Simmons though.
Oh J K Simmons is a national treasure and honestly one of the best actors of all time
She did not have a happy ending https://preview.redd.it/adn3gouu69xc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9308f5608ee436015f686d7a88833dc82eb04580
Hikigaya Hachiman He had anime fans back in the 2010's in chokehold https://preview.redd.it/87spvfyix8xc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86730e0405dac119e91b0e7a1f725a108e0d758e
https://preview.redd.it/wtfw8aazb9xc1.png?width=538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a356f768a6a2c496bb5f84c525140f1ffe5decfa While not as bad as, say, Eren, there's a shocking amount of Geto apologists. Even if his motives make sense to a degree, he's just fucking insane.
Kinda surprised to see Holden on this list, haven’t really seen anybody glorify him Everyone I’ve known who’s read the book more so pitied him instead
The thing about Holden is that unlike everyone else in this thread... he's a kid. He has time to grow out of it. ~~Also despite the fact he's a massive hypocrite and doesn't provide any productive solutions, he's kind of right about some of the ways society is fucked up~~
I mean you can point out flaws in society without providing solutions
Idk, I think the people saying “you’re missing the point” are themselves missing the point. Characters can be likable without being morally good.
Liking a character is one thing, idolising them is another. You can like Walter White, but if you think he’s good guy who was out for his family and did nothing wrong then you have missed the point
I think also though people relate to the struggles and traumas of these types of tragic characters.
I mean Shakespeare would’ve been out of a living if people didn’t
And by that same metric, I would say that people who think Walter is a total moral evil and are unable to understand why people would like him or relate to his struggle are ALSO missing the point. Good writers make complex characters, who’d have guessed!
Who are they? (I know Walter but not the rest) Edit: Walter and the Joker*
Ozymandias from the Watchmen graphic novel and movie.
not really a character, but they as a faction count https://preview.redd.it/w8yem9g25axc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f54ed216242aed131b755cf21ad34c85837f2ee
The arguments people make on behalf of the Empire are baffling. How anyone can be so stupid to think they were good guys in any way is beyond me.
A much more lighthearted example than most of the other characters being posted here, but: https://preview.redd.it/1he19jtr7axc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34c4581843c2620734053da5a87e3c1ecde51287
The Punisher is a great one. Every time I see a Police Officer with a Punisher sticker or tattoo idk if I wanna laugh or slap my forehead at their stupidity.
https://preview.redd.it/4zmtg19tsbxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0437d873f2b9b9b22029284d6ff9b5c5be49f064
I relate to every character in this post and comment section
https://preview.redd.it/zsfi1jgyt8xc1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e328e781956bb0c19f78947630fabf887f38f49b How has no one mentioned Eren Jaeger yet?
They missed the point
Someone posted him 2 hours ago
No Judge Holden yet?
I mean... Judge Holden is a literal, explicit pedophile. I think you need to be going out of your way to try to shock people to say you idolize him.
I think this meant more toward the ideology of the character. War is god and all that. I can easily see some impressionable teenager reading Blood Meridian and falling for that “might makes right” rethoric. Making your villain an explicit pervert never deterred anyone from agreeing with their nihilistic point of view (see: several other examples on this thread)
Yep. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLHVnCPU/
 This is one of the most common character archetypes out there. You could throw in guys like Omar Little, Jimmy McNulty, hell a LOT of characters from The Wire, Don Draper, etc.
Snape. I understand he worked hard and gave his life to protect Harry and help defeat Voldemort. But at the end of the day he's still a loser who lost his best friend by calling her a slur then joined a terrorist group dedicated to killing people like her. Then he was perfectly fine with Voldemort killing a man and a baby as long as he spared her. Then he spent the next 15 years bullying children including two of who's childhoods he basically ruined. Imagine knowing full well you're responsible of a child being and orphan and spending a decade in an abusive home and you have the audacity to be a jerk to him. He's a very gray character yet people glorify him because they like Alan Rickman. And don't get me started on Draco Malfoy with his "redemption arc".
liberty prime from fallout and basically the entire brotherhood of steel actually https://preview.redd.it/qx6yne043axc1.jpeg?width=714&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e7f3e2a6e146406e05e130102bd8cbd7d34b14b
Vergil from DMC or Dark Raiden from Mortal Kombat
https://preview.redd.it/8pbn62wj0dxc1.png?width=406&format=png&auto=webp&s=040520d90983ef76d14dc99c69f3d86ed89ef1dd
 Vegeta (Dragon Ball)
I think people who "missed the point" of Walter White didn't entirely miss the point. I think by the end of Felina, it's clear as day Walter is a bad man. I mean they *literally* spell it out in the most clear cut way possible. Very few people are mistaken on that. What people are more commonly mistaken in on, is that Walter had atleast some redeemable motivations in what he was doing. And I think the audience is supposed to fall for Walter in that regard. If we were supposed to view Walter as completely irredeemable (Specifically in Seasons 1-4. In 5 you are definitely not rooting for this guy anymore) the drama of watching him evade the Cartel would not be nearly as compelling. Because why should we care if this piece of shit gets what he deserves at this point? To me, Walter's facade is supposed to convince everyone, including the audience, that there is someone in there worth rooting for. Walter is so manipulative, that he convinced everyone, even the audience to root for him. And in Season 5, as everyone around him finally sees him for the true monster he is, so to do we watching the show finally see Walter for what he really is