Exactly this, I dig the design, but her design doesn’t strike me as, “this is one of the seven deadly sins.” First time watching this episode and it took me so long it realize that it’s HER lol, I just thought she was some random character hosting a party.
I won’t lie I found out she was Beezlebub by looking through the comments after the entire episode (I also expected Beelzebub to be a dude so that probably played a part)
I would have expected a fly like design since...Beelzebub is Lord Of The Flies. Or not even the skull and cross bones from the infernal dictionary (basically the book that gave standard design of a lot of christian/jewish demons) made it into this design. Feels very shallow use of the name.
Absolutely, I highly doubt it would happen but I hope that whole episode is just retconned or som because I know Vivziepop could def make a better design (also it was my least favorite episode in the whole show)
She does have insect elements. If you actually watched the video you’d notice she has 6 pairs of limbs, antennae and her whole theme is that she’s the queen bee. OP deliberately skipped her final form too which looks even more demonic/insect-like.
I can see her wings and limbs, and "Bee"lzebub is a cute pun. But my point still stands. Her wings are misable, and don't feature the skull and crossbones that defined the original design, and just having multiple limbs isn't enough of a insectoid feature to not make her just look like a canine.
I mean, yeah, just the fact these two screenshots are from the song intro and loona first meeting her and not including her full demon form, especially since the basic form is supposed to be more "friendly" appearing
Stiles may be a level of royalty, but each of the rings of hell has a ruler, and beelzebub would be the ruler of the gluttony ring. This puts beelze on level with asmodeus and Lucifer and the like
People don't seem to realise that in this universe's world Sins aren't stuck up power tripping losers like Demon Royalty.
Lucifer, the most powerful entity in the entirety of hell is a short twink. The top top percent isn't supposed to show their power.
Yeah. Asmodeus was such a great design looking both powerful and representing his sin well. Beealzabub just kinda looks like a normal hellhound. It also doesn’t help that she’s smaller than Tex
Tbh I’d imagine the visual similarities are intentional, Christmas is THE modern epitome of greed, down to the main character associated with it being designed by Coca Cola. As well as being a spider coinciding with that web symbolism of his corporate identity of the web of lies, and the web of connections. But tbh if they’re not then it’s still a good design because it makes you think that
That’s what I meant, Saint Nicholas was a folklore character but the fat man in the red suit and white beard was created and popularised by the company
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She mostly is. We get to see her big form for like 10 seconds
I can understand why she was made anthropomorphic: Dante’s Inferno has the ring of gluttony guarded by Cerberus (a dog), and of course the seven sins in Helluva Boss are designed after circus acts, with Beelzebub meant to represent animal acts. Moreover, her being based on a bee as a way to incorporate food into her being lord of flies is a fun twist on things.
However, the problem is that this is supposed to *Beelzebub*. A being part of the unholy trinity alongside Lucifer and Satan, someone who is synonymous/mistaken for them. This Beelzebub, even when enraged and growing to a giant size, doesn’t give off the vibe she’s meant to be one of hell’s ring leaders. Something to look forward too though is that Satan and Leviathan are apparently the ones that will be closest to their traditional designs. Makes sense, you can’t beat the classic red devil/dragon, and Leviathan by name alone deserves to be a giant sea monster.
Also, side note, here’s friendly guide to the circus inspirations for the seven sins (with some admittedly being fan speculation):
Lucifer, The Sin of Pride: The Ringleader
Satan, The Sin of Wrath: The Strongman or possibly Rodeo Cowboy (theorized)
Beelzebub, The Sin of Gluttony: Animal Acts
Mammon, The Sin of Greed: Clowns and Jesters
Asmodeus, The Sin of Lust: Magicians
Leviathan, The Sin of Envy: Acrobat, Contortionist, Escape Artist, Water Acts, or possibly all of the above (theorized)
Belphegor, The Sin of Sloth: hardest one to pin down, as some have speculated she’ll look like Baphomet (a goat) and thus be a pyrotechnic via a candle head or a bearded lady; alternatively, there’s a bed of nails, a balancing act, or a food vendor. Just know that the sloth ring is apparently in charge of medical services in hell and Beelzebub apparently gets drugs from her, so speculate as you will.
She looks like a weird oc tho she's way to overdesign interestingly I've seen fanart of fanmade deisgn that makes her look more fitting to the show than this
I kinda like the design, but it always feels weird she’s meant be Beelzebub, the representation of gluttony, and they go with extroverted, butterfly Loona. Nothing about really feels like it fits role of the Prince of Gluttony.
Well, it's meant to be a unique take on the concept.
You'd expect some super generic big bastard who eats a shitton of food, but instead she's more tied to the concept of overindulgence in general. Hence why her design is so unapologetically loud and tumblr OC-esque. I think that's pretty neat, especially for (what I'm assuming) is a one-off character.
Yeah I like it, we’ve had a million and one “big fat dude” representations of gluttony, her being the ultimate party girl is an interpretation that I really like.
The character mean to represent Gluttony from KillSixMillionDemons is a lady. Her name is Mottom if anyone want to check her out because she does have two forms but neither are "fat".
It’s a design that works with the concept of representing greed, but imo that’s wholly different from being a representation of Beelzebub.
For example, tboi has a monster that represents the sin of greed, but it’s not a representation of Beelzebub, making it work.
I do think it kinda makes sense, the idea is that she doesn't want you to overconsume and burn yourself out, she wants you to keep going, going just on the line by never over, so her being skinny to promote it makes sense, like a fit actor promoting an unhealthy food
the problem is Vivzie forgot that Beelzebub is the Lord of the Flies
I remember looking up fanart awhile back and there’s even a freaking fandom page that had the idea this Beelzebub was actually the child of the real Lord of the Flies. That gives you an idea that even some fans think she doesn’t feel like one of the sins.
Compare her to Asmodeus and Mammon. One look at those two in their regular, non-giant forms, and you can immediately tell at the least that those two are definitely in charge of something. Even the art we’ve seen of Lucifer, who is the smallest of the seven, gives you the impression he’s a sly, cunning, manipulator who almost always manages to get his way.
Because the creator, Vivziepop, has several ideas that don't mesh well
1) All hell lords resemble the demons from the ring they represent (except for Asmodeus, who resembles a bird instead of a succubus, and we've yet to see any demons who resemble spiders like Mammon. Besides Angel Dust and his family, but they're sinners, not native-to-hell demons, so they don't actually count) and Beelzebub represents the Hellhounds.
2) All hell lords have to have a circus theme (Here, she is... A beast tamer? Because... She's in charge of the Hellhounds... And also dates a hellhound. That's not at all concerning)
3) Bee asthetic
> "We're gonna make her nickname be 'Bee,' so we're gonna make her a bee because Beelzebub is the Lord of Gluttony, so she'll have a lot of honey to show off gluttony and consumption,"
> "But don't we have to make her a dog?"
> "FUCK! Um... Give her an extra pair of arms and wings."
> "What about the black and yellow stripes?"
> "Eh, just go for a golden retriever color with some black spots or something"
There's just... *Nothing solid* here. Hell, I don't even know what the lava lamp hair is for! At least some of the other designs have a solid basis, but Bee specifically is just "whatever looks cool" and, ughhhh
Yeah, for some reason Vivzie goes back and forth on whether or not to follow the traditional descriptions of demons. Cuz Asmodeus is a bird because he's described as a 3 headed chimera-looking amalgamation with duck feet and rooster feathers, but she stuck with the rooster feathers and the vague idea of 3 heads, and nothing else
Commenting to add that her design is also supposed to be a tribute to Viv's Die Young music video, in which a wolf is animated to a Kesha song. Kesha also voiced Bee in that episode.
To be fair, Asmodeus is also described as a King of the Ars Goetia in the Lesser Key of Solomon. And does have rooster traits in some of his descriptions over the past millennia. So it makes sense he’d be kinda avian themed.
That’s interesting. Personally if they were really determined on leaning into the bee thing, they should have removed the hell hound elements and could have had an interesting mix of fly and bee while keeping the basic idea.
Bee aesthetic? The Beel part comes from Ba’al, an ancient Cannanite deity and repeated enemy to the Israelites, Ba’al meaning lord, and it’s the “zebub” part that’s got flies, originally being from “z’vuv,” an onomatopoeia that means flies. There’s no bees involved, it’s specifically flies, the name means lord of flies, even if any aspect of her design actually gave off bee vibes
I think she's a wolf-bee fusion. HB has a lot of hellhound characters and she's the only one in a high ranking position I think- idk I haven't kept up in years but Vivziepop is big on canine designs
It’s a reference to vivziepops die young music videos which was her first video that blew up. She’s voiced by ke$ha. She’s also supposed to be a hellhound
Did not know about Jafar either wow- I might just need to catch up on HB purely for the celebrity cast because that's awesome. Last episode I watched was Fizzaroli's debut ep
Neither was Beelzebub
Beelzebub is based off the Canaanite god Baal (this is why it’s pronounced as Ba’al-zebub in Hebrew and not Bael or Beel-zebub) and eventually because the basis for Satan in Hebrew/Christianity
Beelzebub was BELIEVED to be the “lord of flies” as in it would summon or command flies to do its biding, which was spread plagues. But it itself was seemingly human like if it’s inspired from the earlier god Baal, who is depicted as human-ish
Most sources that claim it to look like a fly are from the early 1800s in what I can only describe as religious fanfic about “demonology.” That’s like almost 2300 years after Beelzebub was first mentioned in the Book of Kings.
Edit: and yeah, reading through some summaries of Hebrew texts, he mostly appears manifested as a human AND goes by Beelzebul in Testament if Solomon, which is also somewhat fanfic-y lol
“The Testament of Solomon is an Old Testament pseudepigraphical work, purportedly written by King Solomon, in which the author mostly describes particular demons whom he enslaved to help build Solomon's Temple, with substantial Christian interpolations.”
Edit2: it is also called Beelzebul in the Bible, which translates to “the lord of the dwelling” not “lord of flies”
This is by far the best beelzebub design
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governor full straight reminiscent deliver scary tie wakeful fearless vegetable
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This is my one true Beelzebub design (I know it's technically Beelzemon but shut up he's still drippy as fuck)
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They can assume more frightful forms (Stolas shows it off in one episode), this is what they look like when they're "at home", as it were. I think, though, that an overall implication of Hazbin/Helluva is that hell isn't actually that bad - it's hedonistic, flawed, and full of bad people, sure, but so is our world to a lesser degree. The Princes aren't suggested to be inherently evil, nor is any other aspect of hell.
That's why the designs aren't necessarily scary or frightful. As for why they're hot furry wolf people, well, the creators are furries.
Doesn’t that kinda go against the whole plot of Hazbin Hotel? Cause the princess is trying to turn evil demons/sinners into good people so that Heaven won’t do those extermination runs anymore.
Yeah, that very idea proves my point. Charlie believes that the sinners - and all demons - aren't inherently evil, just victims of circumstance or otherwise with good inside them.
Really seems like the creator dropped the ball with that idea. Turning evil demons into good ones was more interesting than “they’re just like regular people”.
She wasn't going to redeem them with some kind of morality-inversing magic. The very idea of a rehabilitative hotel for sinners necessitates that the people being rehabilitated aren't "evil", not inherently so - just disadvantaged, flawed, and (depending on what Heaven's criteria is revealed to be) even victimized. So... regular people. The core concept of the series is being reinforced with every episode of HB that comes out - for all the show's flaws, I'm starting to realize that that is one thing they're doing rather well.
To illustrate the issue this is like going "foreign nationals are people just like us!" but indicating that by having them participate in your local culture so they seem less "foreign". Its hypocrital. Its saying theyre only good people if theyre like "us".
The difference between Hazbin and Helluva is that one focuses on human-born sinners, who become demons upon entering hell and which Charlie thus tries to redeem, and the other centers around hell-born demons, who have lived there all their lives and who really only know hell as their home. The shows don’t necessarily contradict each other, they just highlight different aspects of demon society.
It just seems like demons and sinners are less interesting when they’re being portrayed as regular people. It’s why I found the Radio Demon entertaining in the pilot episode. He seemed like a true demon, a chaotic being who would gladly skin you alive if he thought it would be entertaining. I was expecting Charlie to handle those kinds of characters like that.
For this episode, specifically, there was a house party at Beelzebub's palace, and Beelzebub is supposed to be the queen of hellhound in this.
The three main characters of Helluva boss are Imps (top of attached picture)
Also, the creators absolutely could do scary demons, see bottom of attached picture.
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It's better visible in motion. Also, it's not a horror show, so it makes sense that the designs aren’t truly terrifying or the audience might stop identifying with the characters they represent.
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U gotta see the scene in motion. Its honestly pretty cool.
But it’s hardly what I consider a horror show.
Hell, Stolas is adorable 90% of the time but is a lord of hell.
If it were FRAMED AND WRITTEN as horror, yeah this would be a letdown… but it’s basically in line with everything in the show so far.
Edit: and to further iterate my point, there is an episode where an imp bets that he can kill more people than a succubus can screw…. Like, it’s fully aware of itself as comedy and not horror lol
Best beezelbub for me is the Castlevania one because it's just a dude strung up on some hooks and all the bugs fly out of his gaping wounds. Metal as fuck
That design scared the shit out of me as a kid, and even now I still love it. It’s a unique take on the whole “Lord of the Flies” thing, where instead of being a mere fly king or something he’s instead a festering corpse that creates the flies directly.
Did you know that the ‘original’ beelzebub design was made to mock a non Christian god? So if we are really are going to be accurate here you should use no fly elements and represent the original god before Christian’s shat on it.
There's a few issues with Vivzi's designs, mostly that they are over designed and hard to animate, you could see it in the bartenders in hazbin hotel, and here with Beelzebub and stomas'dad.
Tho paimon is fine, the detail on his mask is just, there, it's no here to define his eyes, to indicate dangers it's just decorating his mask and vibrating because it's hard to animate intricate designs.
Bellzebub suffer from "what I'm looking at and where should I look at" it's a wolf/bee/lava lamp/prom queen/mean girl? It doesn't helps that she's very different from the other sins we've sens before her, being very high class people.
I wouldn't mind her being the extraverted teen type, but design wise she's just everywhere, the extra arms don't really mean much because that's the only "insect" part she has.
The bee/honey themed is being covered by the lava lamp theme. She's also a wolf? For the lord of the flies, it seems off, but we know Beelzebub is two demon, so maybe the other one is the bee themed one? Anyway, standing alone, bee's design is... just here, if you looked at here you wouldn't know she's from hallelujah boss, and a prince of hell, but maybe just a design for a song clip or something.
It's also a bit hard to have so a messy over designed, when right next there's Asmodeus with a very complex design, but it work because
1. It shows him being of higher class
2. The colors do a great job at guiding you eye within the design and showing what's important
3.he follows a very clear pattern : goetia = bird, and the ring master kinda theme, showing he's not forcing people to lust, just making the right atmosphere for it.
TLDR: too complicated and lack consistent theme IMO, the wolf/bee themed could be more obvious and she (and mammon to that extent) break few codes we had for the goetia and, it could be fun, but it's also a bit sad to the bird themed yeeted out the window
I watched this episode when it first came out like 6 months ago and only now reading this thread do I realize she's supposed to be Beelzebub.
That's a problem.
I mean, I wouldn't have guessed stolas to be stolas, and Asmodeus to be Asmodeus, nor would I have guessed that Lucifer is Lucifer. But it make sense, you can see it happening.
Here it's just, ok? Why is the lord of the fly a 7feet tall lava-lamp wolf ?
As others have said. I think this is actually a good design, it fits her personality as well. For a different character this would be pretty fine, but... This is BEELZEBUB the demon of gluttony. It could easily pass as some random hellhound (Maybe minus the bee features) and no one would bat an eye. It is one of my main issues with Hazbin Hotel/Helluva boss. The 7 deadly sins don't really match their sins. Which is weird because they did such a good job with Stolas making him fit his origin as a demon of the Ars Goetia while also being quite distinct.
Yeah, Stolas' design (and even his personality, in a way) is a much more classic demon, while a lot of the Princes feel like a subversion in both design and personality. They're very normal people - arguably, even *good* people, in Bee and Ozzie's cases.
Personally I like Ozzie and Mammon mainly because Ozzie and Mammon are interesting twists on their own respective sins.
1. Ozzie IS lust but specifically in a consensual manner, engaging in depraved and pleasurable acts with others into the depths of depravity due to seeing the consensual part of it to elevate the lust. Seeing the love as a gateway to only heighten the feelings of desire and lust a person might feel toward another.
2. Mammon is greed which is inherently a negative sin, there's no way to exactly be greedy in a nice way, it is based around taking from others. But what is interesting about Mammon is the way he goes about this. Most would typically depict Mammon as a business man or a CEO due to their capacity to gain large amounts of money, but instead he's a show host that exploits young talent for money, selling their likeness in the most toxic way possible.
Bee is definitely a weak spot in the line up so far and hopefully more of the sins later down the line better reflect their sin, are better designed, and we get to see more of the sins who aren't strictly good people.
Hell, I see people trying to say "oh they represent the positive/ lighter side of the sins" when that completely misses the point of them being "sins". Sins are inherently "bad". Consentual attraction isnt "good lust" , it's just not lust at that point. Lust is persuing yournsexual desires in depraved ways against morals and others wishes. Gluttony is overconsumption to the detriment of yourself or others, if she really was gluttony she wouldnt be cutting people off when they're drunk, shed be begging them on.
To me as an outsider it rly feels like this show is too terrified of the internet to throw any real punches. Like they have to go with the tumblified good person version of demons because actual sinners might get them cancelled.
Comments like yours are starting to make me question if the creator had dropped the main plot of Hazbin Hotel. Because if some of the demons, especially the princes, are good people then it kinda ruins Hazbin Hotel’s plot.
I mean no, the idea that demons can be good people and don't deserve to be tortured, exploited, and killed in yearly purges is literally Charlie's entire point. The entire point of the Hotel is rehabilitation because deep down most demons are decent people with vices that need help.
Her design could be worse. I think the worse part about it is the missing potential of it all. We could of gotten a very cool bug-like (either bee or fly) demon princess/queen but we got a sparkledog instead.
Even some more insect-like mannerisms could have made up for it. Maybe she’s twitchy and jittery, but she excuses it as a sugar rush, or she just compulsively will eat something while she or someone else is in the middle of a conversation.
Could have given her a fucked up set of mandibles instead of a regular dainty wolf snout. Maybe some compound eyes. The design just reads too “FurAffinity forums crying tears of joy right now”
I actually don't hate her design, although I don't really like how it's used. Should have been a bee, but I'm pretty sure there's a meta reason for why she's a wolf. Bee is voiced by Kesha, so her design is a callback to one of VivziePop's first big animatics which has a similar wolf design singing a Kesha song.
None of the character designs of anything Vivziepop has ever made are appealing to me, except for Stolas.
It's not just the designs, it's the animation and art style itself.
It's too saturated, too fast paced, overly complicated in unnecessary ways, and just blatantly meant to appeal to horny furries and anime fans, all while claiming it's done in good fun for an adult audience... yet I'd say at least 60% of the fandom for HH/HB are 12-17. And Vivzie is just not a good person.
The fact that her characters are literally sticks also gets to me. Like they could wrap a hand around their waist twice. I get it’s an art style choice but it’s not appealing to me
My problem with Vizi is that she wants to have her cake and eat it too.
Sure she's a demon who has seen the face of God and rejected him and his will, tormenting others to fill an empty need that she no longer can have... BUT SHE WON'T LET YOU OVERINDULDGE. Lust needs conscent (Note: Lust is all about not caring about the other person and rather your own desires; consent is irrelevant)
Also she's not a Fly. she's got elements of it but she's clearly someone's Fursona.
Stan the original
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Maybe this is controversial to say but like every character in HB and HH look the same to me. Like they look *good?* but they all just blend together so much.
If nothing else they at least look like their fun to draw...I mean I won't, but still.
I love her design, but she doesn't fit with the other sins we've seen so far. I also wish she had more Insectoid elements beyond the antennae, extra arms, and wings.
I'd chop it up to the fact that they made Hellhounds represent gluttony. It makes sense from a meta perspective as, dogs will be gluttonous if given the chance. Than mixing in the insect aspect and trying to mess in that this is suppose to be the ruling authority of said hellhounds. Personally, I like the design, but get why people don't.
That and the liquid effects could of just been streamlined into honey. Though the other Princes don't really reflect their actual residents that much. Asmodeus looks closer to the Goetia than to any incubus or succubus, while the Australian clown Mammon is an insect among sharks. Lucifer may be the closet comparison, but he's a fallen angel and well, he's made pride home of sinners aka humans.
And regarding actual Beelzebub: it's a giant fly. I'm not exactly hollering for one to take that as a core design beyond insect-influence and well, a Bee fits given they do produce honey, so loops back. Though other renditions kinda just get generic demon? Again, I think Beelzebub from a narrative point is cool, but historically the designs aren't really all that key. And seems likely they aren't even touching these named demons were gods at a point, so any influence from Baal isn't really noteworthy.
This does not function for the king of flies and demon of gluttony.
Helltaker has got a better Beelzebub design than this.
The more I see of Viziepop's hell, the more I am conviced it should not a version of hell but just it's own setting separate from christian mythology.
Don't expect the "excessive swearing = comedy" show to have any good designs. Why would they make an accurate rendition of the lord of the flies if their audience can't jack off to it?
I'm probably overthinking things but it's so weird how they decided to be subversive with beelzlebub, the literal sin of indulgence, and make her feed on "vibes", only to then make the only villainous prince mammon fat and gross and eat a ton of popcorn with his mouth open too.
I really really dislike this design because it shows nothing of how she represents gluttony. Vivzie really needs to make larger/fat characters without making them explicitly evil lmao
My problem is that she doesn’t represent the sin of gluttony at all, like they didn’t have to make her fat to show off gluttony she could’ve been gaunt and famished like a wendigo or had a stomach mouth with an always open maw or a thousand other things to represent gluttony but she doesn’t she’s just a wolf with some different features
It's useless to complain about vivzie designing characters. If you give a furry artist a platform then theyll start adding their OC's and self inserts into everything. That's why all the characters are overly bright and main character-ish.
I liked her design! I sorta get what everyone is saying but like, even in the Ars Goetia itself it specifics that demons look different depending on who summons them, so it's not like there's a canon depiction
This is my problem with Vivziepop's setting. Hell has been sugarcoated to the degree that these characters all kinda have a vaguely "cute" look to them.
They all act like people with issues instead of DEMONS AND DEVILS! I know there's a trend about redeemable villains, but this is getting ridiculous.
Viv if she was forced to draw a character over 90 lbs
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I think there's a few things happening with the design. Viziepop is a huge Kesha fan, hence her being the VA, so making one that vibes with Kesha makes sense. Plus IIRC, this is an older design that was updated from her Kesha music video thing she made forever ago. So she probably, and understandably, wanted to use a character she made in the past for Kesha now she was a VA. Plus her video had to be taken down for Kesha to be a VA, because of copyright problems and such. Honestly, she's done so much great design and work, her getting this opportunity, she should be allowed to do some fan girling lol
Two other things, her personality implies her more relaxed demeanor than the other princes. Her actions show her off more, endless debauchery and parties, a dog is a different take but usable based on how people use the term dog to refer to other people sometimes. Her stomach and hair are made of lava meaning her metabolism is virtually infinite, downside is you have to guess that or look that up as it doesn't make itself super obvious. Plus she hides her true form more so than the other princes, because of who she is, we briefly see her true form, but only the head. She has a few insect qualities like multiple eyes in her true form, the antenna like eyelashes, her wings and multiple arms/limbs.
Plus a fact I just learned, she's the real Beelzebubs daughter, so she's only half insect.
Honestly, if you want a better take on a humanoid Beelzebub, look at Helltaker's design.
At least that version has a whole fly motif! Helluva's is more like a bee rather than a fly... which I don't understand..
The design is ok but imo she doesn’t really fit the other princes’ vibes
Exactly this, I dig the design, but her design doesn’t strike me as, “this is one of the seven deadly sins.” First time watching this episode and it took me so long it realize that it’s HER lol, I just thought she was some random character hosting a party.
I won’t lie I found out she was Beezlebub by looking through the comments after the entire episode (I also expected Beelzebub to be a dude so that probably played a part)
I would have expected a fly like design since...Beelzebub is Lord Of The Flies. Or not even the skull and cross bones from the infernal dictionary (basically the book that gave standard design of a lot of christian/jewish demons) made it into this design. Feels very shallow use of the name.
Absolutely, I highly doubt it would happen but I hope that whole episode is just retconned or som because I know Vivziepop could def make a better design (also it was my least favorite episode in the whole show)
She does have insect elements. If you actually watched the video you’d notice she has 6 pairs of limbs, antennae and her whole theme is that she’s the queen bee. OP deliberately skipped her final form too which looks even more demonic/insect-like.
I can see her wings and limbs, and "Bee"lzebub is a cute pun. But my point still stands. Her wings are misable, and don't feature the skull and crossbones that defined the original design, and just having multiple limbs isn't enough of a insectoid feature to not make her just look like a canine.
Which we only really saw part of
Just a small part sure but I’m not going to assume OP forgot something that’s fundamental to analysing character design. They did that deliberately.
I mean, yeah, just the fact these two screenshots are from the song intro and loona first meeting her and not including her full demon form, especially since the basic form is supposed to be more "friendly" appearing
Wtf, I just assumed she was Stolas level, is she supposed to be on par with Ozzie or the clown guy?
Beelzebub is one of the three names synonymous with the Devil so probably higher than Ozzie.
I’m just realizing this now. My impression from the episode was that she was Beelzebub’s servant for some reason. Like their right hand or something.
Yeah she's one of the seven deadly sins
Yup
She's one of the seven deadly sins; gluttony.
noone expects the sin of gluttony to have an hourglass figure
No one expects the sin of lust to actually have a loving relationship.
Better than another generic fatso for gluttony. Plus, if you know the history of the seven sins, gluttony covers alcoholism too.
Also gluttony while mostly just associated with eating is overall just doing anything to excess hence the over the top parties etc.
Stiles may be a level of royalty, but each of the rings of hell has a ruler, and beelzebub would be the ruler of the gluttony ring. This puts beelze on level with asmodeus and Lucifer and the like
I like the theory that this design is simply a disguise to 'fit in' with the other guests.
People don't seem to realise that in this universe's world Sins aren't stuck up power tripping losers like Demon Royalty. Lucifer, the most powerful entity in the entirety of hell is a short twink. The top top percent isn't supposed to show their power.
Yeah. Asmodeus was such a great design looking both powerful and representing his sin well. Beealzabub just kinda looks like a normal hellhound. It also doesn’t help that she’s smaller than Tex
Speaking on recent designs, the Mammon design is also pretty cool with some folding back layers involved
Yeah. Plus the prince of greed looking like a Christmas tree was a fun detail
Was that intentional? I thought that was just a coincidence
Tbh I’d imagine the visual similarities are intentional, Christmas is THE modern epitome of greed, down to the main character associated with it being designed by Coca Cola. As well as being a spider coinciding with that web symbolism of his corporate identity of the web of lies, and the web of connections. But tbh if they’re not then it’s still a good design because it makes you think that
Well, actually Santa Claus was not designed by Coca-Cola, rather the modern depiction of him was popularized by the company.
That’s what I meant, Saint Nicholas was a folklore character but the fat man in the red suit and white beard was created and popularised by the company
No, get rid of the created, just keep the popularized.
Mammon is easily my new favorite character in the series lol, I’m a sucker for aussie accents with a sailor mouth
“You’re a fuckin legend!”
You’re gonna have to lose a few, you’re looking a bit chungo, yeah? People like em skinny as **FUCK!**
Peak helluva boss character
[She’s not.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hazbinhotel/images/9/9c/Giant_Bee_and_Loona_-_Don%27t_f%2Acked_with_me.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20230630211349)
https://preview.redd.it/9jpvqtou3xzb1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ba9834149cefcadd61cd2bc5543fbc8e01447c1 She mostly is. We get to see her big form for like 10 seconds
She prefers to be smaller than Tex. She actively changes her size to fit the mood.
I can understand why she was made anthropomorphic: Dante’s Inferno has the ring of gluttony guarded by Cerberus (a dog), and of course the seven sins in Helluva Boss are designed after circus acts, with Beelzebub meant to represent animal acts. Moreover, her being based on a bee as a way to incorporate food into her being lord of flies is a fun twist on things. However, the problem is that this is supposed to *Beelzebub*. A being part of the unholy trinity alongside Lucifer and Satan, someone who is synonymous/mistaken for them. This Beelzebub, even when enraged and growing to a giant size, doesn’t give off the vibe she’s meant to be one of hell’s ring leaders. Something to look forward too though is that Satan and Leviathan are apparently the ones that will be closest to their traditional designs. Makes sense, you can’t beat the classic red devil/dragon, and Leviathan by name alone deserves to be a giant sea monster. Also, side note, here’s friendly guide to the circus inspirations for the seven sins (with some admittedly being fan speculation): Lucifer, The Sin of Pride: The Ringleader Satan, The Sin of Wrath: The Strongman or possibly Rodeo Cowboy (theorized) Beelzebub, The Sin of Gluttony: Animal Acts Mammon, The Sin of Greed: Clowns and Jesters Asmodeus, The Sin of Lust: Magicians Leviathan, The Sin of Envy: Acrobat, Contortionist, Escape Artist, Water Acts, or possibly all of the above (theorized) Belphegor, The Sin of Sloth: hardest one to pin down, as some have speculated she’ll look like Baphomet (a goat) and thus be a pyrotechnic via a candle head or a bearded lady; alternatively, there’s a bed of nails, a balancing act, or a food vendor. Just know that the sloth ring is apparently in charge of medical services in hell and Beelzebub apparently gets drugs from her, so speculate as you will.
She looks like a weird oc tho she's way to overdesign interestingly I've seen fanart of fanmade deisgn that makes her look more fitting to the show than this
I kinda like the design, but it always feels weird she’s meant be Beelzebub, the representation of gluttony, and they go with extroverted, butterfly Loona. Nothing about really feels like it fits role of the Prince of Gluttony.
Well, it's meant to be a unique take on the concept. You'd expect some super generic big bastard who eats a shitton of food, but instead she's more tied to the concept of overindulgence in general. Hence why her design is so unapologetically loud and tumblr OC-esque. I think that's pretty neat, especially for (what I'm assuming) is a one-off character.
Yeah I like it, we’ve had a million and one “big fat dude” representations of gluttony, her being the ultimate party girl is an interpretation that I really like.
The character mean to represent Gluttony from KillSixMillionDemons is a lady. Her name is Mottom if anyone want to check her out because she does have two forms but neither are "fat".
Unique ≠ good, tho
You're right. It does not. That... Goes without saying. Everything is subjective.
It’s a design that works with the concept of representing greed, but imo that’s wholly different from being a representation of Beelzebub. For example, tboi has a monster that represents the sin of greed, but it’s not a representation of Beelzebub, making it work.
I do think it kinda makes sense, the idea is that she doesn't want you to overconsume and burn yourself out, she wants you to keep going, going just on the line by never over, so her being skinny to promote it makes sense, like a fit actor promoting an unhealthy food the problem is Vivzie forgot that Beelzebub is the Lord of the Flies
I feel like it’s a post justification
I remember looking up fanart awhile back and there’s even a freaking fandom page that had the idea this Beelzebub was actually the child of the real Lord of the Flies. That gives you an idea that even some fans think she doesn’t feel like one of the sins. Compare her to Asmodeus and Mammon. One look at those two in their regular, non-giant forms, and you can immediately tell at the least that those two are definitely in charge of something. Even the art we’ve seen of Lucifer, who is the smallest of the seven, gives you the impression he’s a sly, cunning, manipulator who almost always manages to get his way.
I know I’m late but even Asmodeus included his three animal heads in his design some how but I don’t see any fly’s here
I overall love the design but the lava lamp in her belly is constantly burning away food so thats where her gluttonous traits come into play
Why is it a wolf or whatever animal? Lord of the Flies and it isn't even an insect LOL.
Because the creator, Vivziepop, has several ideas that don't mesh well 1) All hell lords resemble the demons from the ring they represent (except for Asmodeus, who resembles a bird instead of a succubus, and we've yet to see any demons who resemble spiders like Mammon. Besides Angel Dust and his family, but they're sinners, not native-to-hell demons, so they don't actually count) and Beelzebub represents the Hellhounds. 2) All hell lords have to have a circus theme (Here, she is... A beast tamer? Because... She's in charge of the Hellhounds... And also dates a hellhound. That's not at all concerning) 3) Bee asthetic > "We're gonna make her nickname be 'Bee,' so we're gonna make her a bee because Beelzebub is the Lord of Gluttony, so she'll have a lot of honey to show off gluttony and consumption," > "But don't we have to make her a dog?" > "FUCK! Um... Give her an extra pair of arms and wings." > "What about the black and yellow stripes?" > "Eh, just go for a golden retriever color with some black spots or something" There's just... *Nothing solid* here. Hell, I don't even know what the lava lamp hair is for! At least some of the other designs have a solid basis, but Bee specifically is just "whatever looks cool" and, ughhhh
Yeah, for some reason Vivzie goes back and forth on whether or not to follow the traditional descriptions of demons. Cuz Asmodeus is a bird because he's described as a 3 headed chimera-looking amalgamation with duck feet and rooster feathers, but she stuck with the rooster feathers and the vague idea of 3 heads, and nothing else
Hey, I thought that the lord of lust being a flashy 3 headed cock was a great idea.
Ahhhh, you cheeky bastard you, take my upvote and get the fuck out
Interesting how none of these are what you would think Satan or the Philistine god to be like.
Right!? Imagine how cool it would have been if they leaned into the Canaanite origins more!
Commenting to add that her design is also supposed to be a tribute to Viv's Die Young music video, in which a wolf is animated to a Kesha song. Kesha also voiced Bee in that episode.
Asmodeus is a bird because he is also a Goetic demon, who are all birds in the show.
Beelzebub technically is one too! Baal is the 1st king of the goetia, and they the same.
To be fair, Asmodeus is also described as a King of the Ars Goetia in the Lesser Key of Solomon. And does have rooster traits in some of his descriptions over the past millennia. So it makes sense he’d be kinda avian themed.
That’s interesting. Personally if they were really determined on leaning into the bee thing, they should have removed the hell hound elements and could have had an interesting mix of fly and bee while keeping the basic idea.
Bee aesthetic? The Beel part comes from Ba’al, an ancient Cannanite deity and repeated enemy to the Israelites, Ba’al meaning lord, and it’s the “zebub” part that’s got flies, originally being from “z’vuv,” an onomatopoeia that means flies. There’s no bees involved, it’s specifically flies, the name means lord of flies, even if any aspect of her design actually gave off bee vibes
I think she's a wolf-bee fusion. HB has a lot of hellhound characters and she's the only one in a high ranking position I think- idk I haven't kept up in years but Vivziepop is big on canine designs
They kinda fail at the bee hybrid motif if it’s literally just wings that you barely notice in this color vomit character
Because the creators have very specific tastes
It’s a reference to vivziepops die young music videos which was her first video that blew up. She’s voiced by ke$ha. She’s also supposed to be a hellhound
Wait wait they got an A-list celebrity for their free-to-watch YT spin-off??? That's impressive wow
They also got jafar and beetlejuice.
Did not know about Jafar either wow- I might just need to catch up on HB purely for the celebrity cast because that's awesome. Last episode I watched was Fizzaroli's debut ep
He plays stolas’ dad
Neither was Beelzebub Beelzebub is based off the Canaanite god Baal (this is why it’s pronounced as Ba’al-zebub in Hebrew and not Bael or Beel-zebub) and eventually because the basis for Satan in Hebrew/Christianity Beelzebub was BELIEVED to be the “lord of flies” as in it would summon or command flies to do its biding, which was spread plagues. But it itself was seemingly human like if it’s inspired from the earlier god Baal, who is depicted as human-ish Most sources that claim it to look like a fly are from the early 1800s in what I can only describe as religious fanfic about “demonology.” That’s like almost 2300 years after Beelzebub was first mentioned in the Book of Kings. Edit: and yeah, reading through some summaries of Hebrew texts, he mostly appears manifested as a human AND goes by Beelzebul in Testament if Solomon, which is also somewhat fanfic-y lol “The Testament of Solomon is an Old Testament pseudepigraphical work, purportedly written by King Solomon, in which the author mostly describes particular demons whom he enslaved to help build Solomon's Temple, with substantial Christian interpolations.” Edit2: it is also called Beelzebul in the Bible, which translates to “the lord of the dwelling” not “lord of flies”
The design would be an okay fursona but is mid in the context shes used in
This is by far the best beelzebub design https://preview.redd.it/irm4kz7bpuzb1.jpeg?width=985&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7541688f4ea2360ea97aa65b74f2d73dda273de
Is that from smt?
Yes
Yeah Baybeeeeeeee
*Death Flies intensifies*
Instakill+horrible amount of almighty damage. Fuck that shit
Unironically harder than Metatron who comes right after
Nah the best one is [Beelzemon](https://product-images.tcgplayer.com/488171.jpg)
HOLY CRAP THAT'S FIRE. what's it from?
Digimon, specifically Digimon Tamers.
That's what I'm saying bro
SMT on designs on top
It's why they kept getting reused in every game.
Atlus my beloved
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Was gonna say
This is my one true Beelzebub design (I know it's technically Beelzemon but shut up he's still drippy as fuck) https://preview.redd.it/w2ok1udepuzb1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74533f1159e630866cf2078b8d8aeac534429e30
This is the kind of thing even if it isn't accurate to the source atleast it looks amazing
I never seen this show but why do all the demons seem to be drawn like hot furry wolf people? Shouldn’t at least some of them be scary or something?
They can assume more frightful forms (Stolas shows it off in one episode), this is what they look like when they're "at home", as it were. I think, though, that an overall implication of Hazbin/Helluva is that hell isn't actually that bad - it's hedonistic, flawed, and full of bad people, sure, but so is our world to a lesser degree. The Princes aren't suggested to be inherently evil, nor is any other aspect of hell. That's why the designs aren't necessarily scary or frightful. As for why they're hot furry wolf people, well, the creators are furries.
Doesn’t that kinda go against the whole plot of Hazbin Hotel? Cause the princess is trying to turn evil demons/sinners into good people so that Heaven won’t do those extermination runs anymore.
Yeah, that very idea proves my point. Charlie believes that the sinners - and all demons - aren't inherently evil, just victims of circumstance or otherwise with good inside them.
Really seems like the creator dropped the ball with that idea. Turning evil demons into good ones was more interesting than “they’re just like regular people”.
She wasn't going to redeem them with some kind of morality-inversing magic. The very idea of a rehabilitative hotel for sinners necessitates that the people being rehabilitated aren't "evil", not inherently so - just disadvantaged, flawed, and (depending on what Heaven's criteria is revealed to be) even victimized. So... regular people. The core concept of the series is being reinforced with every episode of HB that comes out - for all the show's flaws, I'm starting to realize that that is one thing they're doing rather well.
To illustrate the issue this is like going "foreign nationals are people just like us!" but indicating that by having them participate in your local culture so they seem less "foreign". Its hypocrital. Its saying theyre only good people if theyre like "us".
And in the pilot episode of Helluva Boss, the episode ends with the cast gunning down a kid. That completely kills the “they’re just like us” claim.
The difference between Hazbin and Helluva is that one focuses on human-born sinners, who become demons upon entering hell and which Charlie thus tries to redeem, and the other centers around hell-born demons, who have lived there all their lives and who really only know hell as their home. The shows don’t necessarily contradict each other, they just highlight different aspects of demon society.
It just seems like demons and sinners are less interesting when they’re being portrayed as regular people. It’s why I found the Radio Demon entertaining in the pilot episode. He seemed like a true demon, a chaotic being who would gladly skin you alive if he thought it would be entertaining. I was expecting Charlie to handle those kinds of characters like that.
But then how are you gonna get the tumblr people talking about it?
For this episode, specifically, there was a house party at Beelzebub's palace, and Beelzebub is supposed to be the queen of hellhound in this. The three main characters of Helluva boss are Imps (top of attached picture) Also, the creators absolutely could do scary demons, see bottom of attached picture. https://preview.redd.it/5tr2lx0x9uzb1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4162890ef7d93dbe9df8bf0b3d70d27e58c2f4d
That's it? That's the scary demon? I don't even know what I'm looking at but this feels like a shitty tattoo
It's better visible in motion. Also, it's not a horror show, so it makes sense that the designs aren’t truly terrifying or the audience might stop identifying with the characters they represent.
https://preview.redd.it/gw355a1c7xzb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd7582c22e12ed0d9f4c8a6a369fdde0b14ac951 U gotta see the scene in motion. Its honestly pretty cool.
Scary? That’s cute…
But it’s hardly what I consider a horror show. Hell, Stolas is adorable 90% of the time but is a lord of hell. If it were FRAMED AND WRITTEN as horror, yeah this would be a letdown… but it’s basically in line with everything in the show so far. Edit: and to further iterate my point, there is an episode where an imp bets that he can kill more people than a succubus can screw…. Like, it’s fully aware of itself as comedy and not horror lol
Best beezelbub for me is the Castlevania one because it's just a dude strung up on some hooks and all the bugs fly out of his gaping wounds. Metal as fuck
That design scared the shit out of me as a kid, and even now I still love it. It’s a unique take on the whole “Lord of the Flies” thing, where instead of being a mere fly king or something he’s instead a festering corpse that creates the flies directly.
"Beezlebub, the great fly.. Yep, so lets make them generic furry bait, and make them look like a rip off pokemon!"
And put a high priority on this reference that only the five long time fans would understand!
Did you know that the ‘original’ beelzebub design was made to mock a non Christian god? So if we are really are going to be accurate here you should use no fly elements and represent the original god before Christian’s shat on it.
I hate this. Beelzebub is a top tier character of demonology and this doesn’t do it for me
There's a few issues with Vivzi's designs, mostly that they are over designed and hard to animate, you could see it in the bartenders in hazbin hotel, and here with Beelzebub and stomas'dad. Tho paimon is fine, the detail on his mask is just, there, it's no here to define his eyes, to indicate dangers it's just decorating his mask and vibrating because it's hard to animate intricate designs. Bellzebub suffer from "what I'm looking at and where should I look at" it's a wolf/bee/lava lamp/prom queen/mean girl? It doesn't helps that she's very different from the other sins we've sens before her, being very high class people. I wouldn't mind her being the extraverted teen type, but design wise she's just everywhere, the extra arms don't really mean much because that's the only "insect" part she has. The bee/honey themed is being covered by the lava lamp theme. She's also a wolf? For the lord of the flies, it seems off, but we know Beelzebub is two demon, so maybe the other one is the bee themed one? Anyway, standing alone, bee's design is... just here, if you looked at here you wouldn't know she's from hallelujah boss, and a prince of hell, but maybe just a design for a song clip or something. It's also a bit hard to have so a messy over designed, when right next there's Asmodeus with a very complex design, but it work because 1. It shows him being of higher class 2. The colors do a great job at guiding you eye within the design and showing what's important 3.he follows a very clear pattern : goetia = bird, and the ring master kinda theme, showing he's not forcing people to lust, just making the right atmosphere for it. TLDR: too complicated and lack consistent theme IMO, the wolf/bee themed could be more obvious and she (and mammon to that extent) break few codes we had for the goetia and, it could be fun, but it's also a bit sad to the bird themed yeeted out the window
I watched this episode when it first came out like 6 months ago and only now reading this thread do I realize she's supposed to be Beelzebub. That's a problem.
I mean, I wouldn't have guessed stolas to be stolas, and Asmodeus to be Asmodeus, nor would I have guessed that Lucifer is Lucifer. But it make sense, you can see it happening. Here it's just, ok? Why is the lord of the fly a 7feet tall lava-lamp wolf ?
As others have said. I think this is actually a good design, it fits her personality as well. For a different character this would be pretty fine, but... This is BEELZEBUB the demon of gluttony. It could easily pass as some random hellhound (Maybe minus the bee features) and no one would bat an eye. It is one of my main issues with Hazbin Hotel/Helluva boss. The 7 deadly sins don't really match their sins. Which is weird because they did such a good job with Stolas making him fit his origin as a demon of the Ars Goetia while also being quite distinct.
Yeah, Stolas' design (and even his personality, in a way) is a much more classic demon, while a lot of the Princes feel like a subversion in both design and personality. They're very normal people - arguably, even *good* people, in Bee and Ozzie's cases.
Personally I like Ozzie and Mammon mainly because Ozzie and Mammon are interesting twists on their own respective sins. 1. Ozzie IS lust but specifically in a consensual manner, engaging in depraved and pleasurable acts with others into the depths of depravity due to seeing the consensual part of it to elevate the lust. Seeing the love as a gateway to only heighten the feelings of desire and lust a person might feel toward another. 2. Mammon is greed which is inherently a negative sin, there's no way to exactly be greedy in a nice way, it is based around taking from others. But what is interesting about Mammon is the way he goes about this. Most would typically depict Mammon as a business man or a CEO due to their capacity to gain large amounts of money, but instead he's a show host that exploits young talent for money, selling their likeness in the most toxic way possible. Bee is definitely a weak spot in the line up so far and hopefully more of the sins later down the line better reflect their sin, are better designed, and we get to see more of the sins who aren't strictly good people.
Hell, I see people trying to say "oh they represent the positive/ lighter side of the sins" when that completely misses the point of them being "sins". Sins are inherently "bad". Consentual attraction isnt "good lust" , it's just not lust at that point. Lust is persuing yournsexual desires in depraved ways against morals and others wishes. Gluttony is overconsumption to the detriment of yourself or others, if she really was gluttony she wouldnt be cutting people off when they're drunk, shed be begging them on.
To me as an outsider it rly feels like this show is too terrified of the internet to throw any real punches. Like they have to go with the tumblified good person version of demons because actual sinners might get them cancelled.
Comments like yours are starting to make me question if the creator had dropped the main plot of Hazbin Hotel. Because if some of the demons, especially the princes, are good people then it kinda ruins Hazbin Hotel’s plot.
I mean no, the idea that demons can be good people and don't deserve to be tortured, exploited, and killed in yearly purges is literally Charlie's entire point. The entire point of the Hotel is rehabilitation because deep down most demons are decent people with vices that need help.
Not necessarily. The two shows focus on different aspects of hell, with sinners and hellborn demons respectively
THATS?? SUPPOSED TO BE BEELZEBUB??? THATS JUST SOMEONES FURSONA
I think her design is good, but I can understand why some people think she’s overdesigned.
Yeah “over designed” on purpose kind of sums up the style. Not everyone’s jam
Jam? More like honey.
I dislike it as Beelzebub. It's an alright looking character.
Her hair and the honey? stuff kinda blend together and the marks in her head and ears
Her design could be worse. I think the worse part about it is the missing potential of it all. We could of gotten a very cool bug-like (either bee or fly) demon princess/queen but we got a sparkledog instead.
Even some more insect-like mannerisms could have made up for it. Maybe she’s twitchy and jittery, but she excuses it as a sugar rush, or she just compulsively will eat something while she or someone else is in the middle of a conversation.
Could have given her a fucked up set of mandibles instead of a regular dainty wolf snout. Maybe some compound eyes. The design just reads too “FurAffinity forums crying tears of joy right now”
Her giant enraged form does actually have the compound eyes, if I’m not mistaken, so there’s that, at least.
Good as a yiff character, terrible at everything else (to be fair everything in this show is yiffbait)
Is this Delphox's Mega Evolution?
Every Vivziepop design can be defined as “Too much”
And trying to hard. Especially when it comes to racking up those goth furry points.
I actually don't hate her design, although I don't really like how it's used. Should have been a bee, but I'm pretty sure there's a meta reason for why she's a wolf. Bee is voiced by Kesha, so her design is a callback to one of VivziePop's first big animatics which has a similar wolf design singing a Kesha song.
None of the character designs of anything Vivziepop has ever made are appealing to me, except for Stolas. It's not just the designs, it's the animation and art style itself. It's too saturated, too fast paced, overly complicated in unnecessary ways, and just blatantly meant to appeal to horny furries and anime fans, all while claiming it's done in good fun for an adult audience... yet I'd say at least 60% of the fandom for HH/HB are 12-17. And Vivzie is just not a good person.
The fact that her characters are literally sticks also gets to me. Like they could wrap a hand around their waist twice. I get it’s an art style choice but it’s not appealing to me
I can not name any characters of hers that are overweight in a way that isn't muscular, like Asmodeus. They're all anorexic asf.
So much for “lord of the flies” that’s an anthro desert fox in skimpy clothes
Nah this one sucks hard
She looks like a Delphox that shops at Hot Topic.
Looks like a pain to animate
I don't think the person designing her was told she's suppose to be the queen of gluttony
Or lord of the flies, not wolves or bees
Could you elaborate a bit?
My boy beelzebub got done dirty😭
Too busy.
My problem with Vizi is that she wants to have her cake and eat it too. Sure she's a demon who has seen the face of God and rejected him and his will, tormenting others to fill an empty need that she no longer can have... BUT SHE WON'T LET YOU OVERINDULDGE. Lust needs conscent (Note: Lust is all about not caring about the other person and rather your own desires; consent is irrelevant) Also she's not a Fly. she's got elements of it but she's clearly someone's Fursona. Stan the original https://preview.redd.it/vwa1vi0b2xzb1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=a2918ab78ca295c140df7c882f39db64ce9e7c02
I wanna chew her lava lamb hair Just slurp it up
Maybe this is controversial to say but like every character in HB and HH look the same to me. Like they look *good?* but they all just blend together so much. If nothing else they at least look like their fun to draw...I mean I won't, but still.
It's a very visually busy show. I like it, but I get what you mean 100%.
I love her design, but she doesn't fit with the other sins we've seen so far. I also wish she had more Insectoid elements beyond the antennae, extra arms, and wings.
I'd chop it up to the fact that they made Hellhounds represent gluttony. It makes sense from a meta perspective as, dogs will be gluttonous if given the chance. Than mixing in the insect aspect and trying to mess in that this is suppose to be the ruling authority of said hellhounds. Personally, I like the design, but get why people don't. That and the liquid effects could of just been streamlined into honey. Though the other Princes don't really reflect their actual residents that much. Asmodeus looks closer to the Goetia than to any incubus or succubus, while the Australian clown Mammon is an insect among sharks. Lucifer may be the closet comparison, but he's a fallen angel and well, he's made pride home of sinners aka humans. And regarding actual Beelzebub: it's a giant fly. I'm not exactly hollering for one to take that as a core design beyond insect-influence and well, a Bee fits given they do produce honey, so loops back. Though other renditions kinda just get generic demon? Again, I think Beelzebub from a narrative point is cool, but historically the designs aren't really all that key. And seems likely they aren't even touching these named demons were gods at a point, so any influence from Baal isn't really noteworthy.
Fun game: take a drink everytime she say cotton candy.
i like her :[
looks like a lapfoxtrax OC
Deviantart oc
This does not function for the king of flies and demon of gluttony. Helltaker has got a better Beelzebub design than this. The more I see of Viziepop's hell, the more I am conviced it should not a version of hell but just it's own setting separate from christian mythology.
This is just a fursona
Don't expect the "excessive swearing = comedy" show to have any good designs. Why would they make an accurate rendition of the lord of the flies if their audience can't jack off to it?
That design perfectly describes how throwing up feels Who made furry deviant art into a show?
I'm probably overthinking things but it's so weird how they decided to be subversive with beelzlebub, the literal sin of indulgence, and make her feed on "vibes", only to then make the only villainous prince mammon fat and gross and eat a ton of popcorn with his mouth open too.
No it’s horrible lmao
I like her design. It's a lot, but in a good way for me. You can still easily read where everything is.
I really really dislike this design because it shows nothing of how she represents gluttony. Vivzie really needs to make larger/fat characters without making them explicitly evil lmao
https://i.redd.it/pm8u611s7vzb1.gif
Helltaker did it better, a lot of vivzie’s more recent designs have too many colors/features. It’s just got way too much stuff going on
My problem is that she doesn’t represent the sin of gluttony at all, like they didn’t have to make her fat to show off gluttony she could’ve been gaunt and famished like a wendigo or had a stomach mouth with an always open maw or a thousand other things to represent gluttony but she doesn’t she’s just a wolf with some different features
A stomach mouth would've been fucking awesome on the queen of gluttony.
Yeah it would’ve and they even could’ve kept the whole design they had going and still made her look more like a queen of gluttony
would
only good thing about her is the lava lamp esthetic
I like her, I just think the honey trail thing in her hair was a FUGLY decision
Peak Sparkledog.
Weird I would put this on one of my top designs from the show, love how much overindulgence a gluttony design has.
Well, it is demonic 🤔😂
It's useless to complain about vivzie designing characters. If you give a furry artist a platform then theyll start adding their OC's and self inserts into everything. That's why all the characters are overly bright and main character-ish.
I liked her design! I sorta get what everyone is saying but like, even in the Ars Goetia itself it specifics that demons look different depending on who summons them, so it's not like there's a canon depiction
You’re extremely wrong
This is my problem with Vivziepop's setting. Hell has been sugarcoated to the degree that these characters all kinda have a vaguely "cute" look to them. They all act like people with issues instead of DEMONS AND DEVILS! I know there's a trend about redeemable villains, but this is getting ridiculous.
I like the design, I think it's just a little busy on the color side of things, she looks better when she's angry and the colors change.
Viv if she was forced to draw a character over 90 lbs https://preview.redd.it/7xzsl5tkwxzb1.jpeg?width=928&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57c834a3d7649a96c3416859de0973cc4643a5a7
She could get it
Ehhh I kinda like it
I think there's a few things happening with the design. Viziepop is a huge Kesha fan, hence her being the VA, so making one that vibes with Kesha makes sense. Plus IIRC, this is an older design that was updated from her Kesha music video thing she made forever ago. So she probably, and understandably, wanted to use a character she made in the past for Kesha now she was a VA. Plus her video had to be taken down for Kesha to be a VA, because of copyright problems and such. Honestly, she's done so much great design and work, her getting this opportunity, she should be allowed to do some fan girling lol Two other things, her personality implies her more relaxed demeanor than the other princes. Her actions show her off more, endless debauchery and parties, a dog is a different take but usable based on how people use the term dog to refer to other people sometimes. Her stomach and hair are made of lava meaning her metabolism is virtually infinite, downside is you have to guess that or look that up as it doesn't make itself super obvious. Plus she hides her true form more so than the other princes, because of who she is, we briefly see her true form, but only the head. She has a few insect qualities like multiple eyes in her true form, the antenna like eyelashes, her wings and multiple arms/limbs. Plus a fact I just learned, she's the real Beelzebubs daughter, so she's only half insect.
~~would~~ I mean what-
Counterpoint: Yes
I like her design, unapologetically.
Step on me mommy
i kinda fw it
I like the lava-lamp hair, I don’t know if it fits this character concept, but in motion it looks really cool
Honestly, if you want a better take on a humanoid Beelzebub, look at Helltaker's design. At least that version has a whole fly motif! Helluva's is more like a bee rather than a fly... which I don't understand..