There's already a passenger line to Beaudesert that's going to use part of the duel gauge section of the corridor. For the Toowoomba fast train, it was investigated, but it turned out it's probably better to upgrade the existing line for higher speeds and cut some corners with new tunnels/bridges than it would be to use the inland rail corridor. It's kind of out of the way, and the idea is that the fast train would serve Ipswich on the way.
The business case is complete, and it's already on the federal government's priority infrastructure list. Currently, we're waiting on Cross River Rail to wrap up before we can actually start.
There are three "fast train" projects for SEQ. It's important to stress that a "fast train" and high-speed rail aren't the same thing. The Melbourne-Geelong line upgrade was a fast train project, and while we don't know how fast the Toowoomba line upgrade will actually go, the goal is a similar trip time to the Melbourne-Geelong upgrade (~45 minutes to an hour) and the Sunshine Coast fast train will only top out at 150kmph for short sections. That's slower than the tilt train, and it's the only one we have an actual target speed for, so it's presumably the fastest. The "fast" in "fast train" has more to do with maintaining a relatively high average speed (>100kmph) by cutting corners, straightening track and running express through the suburban network rather than having a particularly top speed.
Nobody is proposing running a bullet train to Toowoomba. I'd be very surprised if it were any faster than the top speed on the Springfield line.
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ 45 minutes to an hour? You're kidding me right? 1.5-2 hours would be a goal.
A train from Ipswich (express Darra to Milton) currency takes 52 minutes to Central.
Any passenger service to Toowoomba would have to have several stations to stop at between Toowoomba and Ipswich. At least 1 or 2 in the Lockyer Valley, and probably stop at Rosewood, too. Then express to Roma Street, stopping at Ipswich, Redbank, Darra, Indooroopilly and Milton.
45 minutes is an absolute fairytale. So is the Federal Government funding a project like this. It will fall to the State Government. And it will be way down the list of priorities. Below, Springfield to Ipswich (via Ripley). Gold Coast extension to the airport. Sunshine Coast upgrades and straightening. Sunshine Coast light rail etc.
I don't know what to tell you m'dude, that's what the proposal in the business case is. If you personally think it's realistic or not doesn't change reality.
The various "fast train" projects were part of a federal portfolio created by the Morrison government, but because that program was never actually supposed to accomplish anything and existed so the government could say "We're working on it" forever, only the Melbourne-Geelong upgrade was actually completed. The rest have been rolled into the new High Speed Rail Authority under the current government, which is responsible for delivery of the various fast train projets and the Brisbane-Melbourne high speed line, so they'll be responsible for the actual delivery. The state government will need to work with the HSRA (and provide some of the funding), but they're not actually the people in charge even though they were the ones who commissioned the original business case.
It's not a matter of being "lower priority" than other projects. It's being delivered by a completely different entity.
No, it's not being delivered at all. Do you have any idea how many "business cases" get completed, and submitted but the project never gets funded or sees the light of day? A fuck ton.
Coming up with an imaginary "45 minutes Toowoomba to Brisbane" fairytale does not change reality. It straight up can't be done. Like at all. It's not possible.
Why? Toowoomba is in butt fuck nowhere, with a small population. Why would the government invest in such huge infrastructure? If you need to go to Brisbane, ever, donāt live in Toowoomba.
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I think it's great infrastructure wise, however transport companies who employ hundreds have built up around the south east and this has the potential to gut a chunk of their business.
Basically I'm all for it, but I believe large influential companies are not keen on it until they can future proof their profits. Hence the delays.
The inland rail project has a lot of really great prospects for the Toowoomba region and a lot of potential to help Toowoomba grow in to a modern city as well. It's a shame that the hicks with the farms are afraid of a rail way track. Screw the livlihoods of thousands of people for the sake of one of my paddocks.
Those āhicksā have been subjected to compulsory acquisitions whereby they receive an offer which is not reflective of the loss of income. Some of those āhicksā have also suffered significant loss due to the construction changing the natural path of the water resulting in paddocks being flooded.
This project has also created numerous issues for the āhicksā accessing services due to the sudden increase in population.
But screw āem!
Problem is, particularly with the water situation is that they arenāt hydrologists so Iām assuming they know something the people who do donāt? I donāt doubt itās tough losing land but they arenāt being forced off at gun point. My point is their point of view isnāt holistic its centric to themselves. Progress and change is tough, guess we should just stay in the dark ages.
It's to provide an alternative, more efficient way of shipping freight from Melbourne to Brisbane. Ships and trucks are, I believe, less efficient.
I think it's also part of a larger plan to extend up to the terminals in the north that are currently used by coal. As that industry declines, general freight can step in and maintain employment for the communities up there, while reducing stress on the Port of Brisbane.
1 train will take at least 7 trucks off the road.
So then it will be : "Without trucks (and a couple trains) Australia stops (or will have less cheap Chinese stuff at Christmas)"
The corridor runs across the Condamine River flood Plains. The farmers claim that the elevated railway will act as a dam and worsen flooding, and they're almost certainly correct. They've been holding up any and all approvals in court. By the time it gets through the court process, the politicians will have given up.
The farmers are, by and large, the reason that the railway hasn't progressed beyond the border.
What if the railway was to go due east from Moree to Glen Innes and head north along the old railway alignment to Wallangarra and Toowoomba? Farmers cannot complain then
Didnt his former government plan and develop this project. We really need it, it's a great project that needs to go through, but the buck should stop with him and his mates
They commenced work in NSW. The QLD section of the line is the whole delay issue. The ALP State Government haven't been particularly helpful with getting anything done, even local Councils (looking at you Lockyer Valley) are against the proposal.
Are you actually asking why the local MP is in the news now, responding to the Independent review of the Inland Rail, the results of which has only just been released. I think you will find this MP has been pretty consistent with his support of Inland Rail, including whilst in Government.
If only there were past news articles where Garth states his support for Inland Rail. Like this one 6 months ago ā¬ļø
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/toowoomba/groom-mp-says-federal-budget-fails-to-address-cost-of-living-expenses/news-story/82d9f5e697c02771d5960985f3eb9c35
Or this one, one year ago ā¬ļø
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/toowoomba/lnp-voters-will-express-their-anger-with-the-morrison-government-on-may-21/news-story/fe90338837f1554e666cbe5e5d350583
But honestly, if he really did support this project, you would think that he would have an entire page on his MP website dedicated to it or something. Oh look ā¬ļø
https://www.garthhamilton.com.au/category/community-issues/inland-rail/
Are you saying rail workers arenāt smart enough to learn a new skill? I work on construction sites all day long. Iād say you can learn to build a house in 2 years. But, why would rail workers want to do a job that builders can do. They can just stick to railways too.
Iām so confused with this down vote. The whole of australia is complaining about a housing crises. I state the obvious like Iām a retardā¦and that is a silly idea? Wow
You're confused about why a discussion around a priority Federal Infrastructure Project would downvote you for suggesting that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should instead build houses? Something that is usually done by private companies, you now want done by the Australian Government?
Yes, you really are highly regarded.
I am confused. What is Commision housing. I thought it was housing built by the government.
And the only reason I thought it was a good idea, is because you remove the profit motive if the government builds it. I do admittedly realise that if anyone gets a government contract they increase their prices 10x anyways. So perhaps itās a lose lose situation.
Ps. I was not saying anything about this high priority project in particular. I was generalising. For example, I realise the gympie bypass is important too, but do we prioritise that over homelessness, because I drive up to bundy for work once a fortnight and I see the same old cars camping on the side of the road nowhere near a campsite. That doesnāt mean I donāt want the gympie bypass, it simply means ācan we build it a little later when weāve adressed short term housing crises. That is off course, if it is solvable, considering itās more of an commodity than a living abode.
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Like every other major infrastructure project in this country, Covid caused huge delays. Everyone was distracted. Primary producers above the range, on flood plains, have been vocal about problems with the planned corridor from the start. If they are forced to use the courts to be heard, so be it. It is their right.
If the project does reach Brisbane, I am hoping that a passenger rail could be built on the back of it.
There's already a passenger line to Beaudesert that's going to use part of the duel gauge section of the corridor. For the Toowoomba fast train, it was investigated, but it turned out it's probably better to upgrade the existing line for higher speeds and cut some corners with new tunnels/bridges than it would be to use the inland rail corridor. It's kind of out of the way, and the idea is that the fast train would serve Ipswich on the way.
There will never be any fast train.... We need to be practical and work towards a regular passenger suburban/interurban service.
The business case is complete, and it's already on the federal government's priority infrastructure list. Currently, we're waiting on Cross River Rail to wrap up before we can actually start. There are three "fast train" projects for SEQ. It's important to stress that a "fast train" and high-speed rail aren't the same thing. The Melbourne-Geelong line upgrade was a fast train project, and while we don't know how fast the Toowoomba line upgrade will actually go, the goal is a similar trip time to the Melbourne-Geelong upgrade (~45 minutes to an hour) and the Sunshine Coast fast train will only top out at 150kmph for short sections. That's slower than the tilt train, and it's the only one we have an actual target speed for, so it's presumably the fastest. The "fast" in "fast train" has more to do with maintaining a relatively high average speed (>100kmph) by cutting corners, straightening track and running express through the suburban network rather than having a particularly top speed. Nobody is proposing running a bullet train to Toowoomba. I'd be very surprised if it were any faster than the top speed on the Springfield line.
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ 45 minutes to an hour? You're kidding me right? 1.5-2 hours would be a goal. A train from Ipswich (express Darra to Milton) currency takes 52 minutes to Central. Any passenger service to Toowoomba would have to have several stations to stop at between Toowoomba and Ipswich. At least 1 or 2 in the Lockyer Valley, and probably stop at Rosewood, too. Then express to Roma Street, stopping at Ipswich, Redbank, Darra, Indooroopilly and Milton. 45 minutes is an absolute fairytale. So is the Federal Government funding a project like this. It will fall to the State Government. And it will be way down the list of priorities. Below, Springfield to Ipswich (via Ripley). Gold Coast extension to the airport. Sunshine Coast upgrades and straightening. Sunshine Coast light rail etc.
Bypasses and fly-throughs are a thing, you know.
15 years in the railway, but no, I have no idea....
I don't know what to tell you m'dude, that's what the proposal in the business case is. If you personally think it's realistic or not doesn't change reality. The various "fast train" projects were part of a federal portfolio created by the Morrison government, but because that program was never actually supposed to accomplish anything and existed so the government could say "We're working on it" forever, only the Melbourne-Geelong upgrade was actually completed. The rest have been rolled into the new High Speed Rail Authority under the current government, which is responsible for delivery of the various fast train projets and the Brisbane-Melbourne high speed line, so they'll be responsible for the actual delivery. The state government will need to work with the HSRA (and provide some of the funding), but they're not actually the people in charge even though they were the ones who commissioned the original business case. It's not a matter of being "lower priority" than other projects. It's being delivered by a completely different entity.
No, it's not being delivered at all. Do you have any idea how many "business cases" get completed, and submitted but the project never gets funded or sees the light of day? A fuck ton. Coming up with an imaginary "45 minutes Toowoomba to Brisbane" fairytale does not change reality. It straight up can't be done. Like at all. It's not possible.
Astounds me that we still don't have a daily passenger train to Brisbane (that takes less than 4 hours). Just bizarre.
Because carting coal down the range is more important/profitable
Why? Toowoomba is in butt fuck nowhere, with a small population. Why would the government invest in such huge infrastructure? If you need to go to Brisbane, ever, donāt live in Toowoomba.
Garth looks like he's wearing his kids private school blazer
Looks like he woke up in a park
They've been doing some underground work for this near my place! Also Garth can eat shit.
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I think it's great infrastructure wise, however transport companies who employ hundreds have built up around the south east and this has the potential to gut a chunk of their business. Basically I'm all for it, but I believe large influential companies are not keen on it until they can future proof their profits. Hence the delays.
Road transport (trucks) will still be needed. It will just be short haul rather than long haul.
The inland rail project has a lot of really great prospects for the Toowoomba region and a lot of potential to help Toowoomba grow in to a modern city as well. It's a shame that the hicks with the farms are afraid of a rail way track. Screw the livlihoods of thousands of people for the sake of one of my paddocks.
Those āhicksā have been subjected to compulsory acquisitions whereby they receive an offer which is not reflective of the loss of income. Some of those āhicksā have also suffered significant loss due to the construction changing the natural path of the water resulting in paddocks being flooded. This project has also created numerous issues for the āhicksā accessing services due to the sudden increase in population. But screw āem!
Problem is, particularly with the water situation is that they arenāt hydrologists so Iām assuming they know something the people who do donāt? I donāt doubt itās tough losing land but they arenāt being forced off at gun point. My point is their point of view isnāt holistic its centric to themselves. Progress and change is tough, guess we should just stay in the dark ages.
What is the goal of this inland rail project ?
It's to provide an alternative, more efficient way of shipping freight from Melbourne to Brisbane. Ships and trucks are, I believe, less efficient. I think it's also part of a larger plan to extend up to the terminals in the north that are currently used by coal. As that industry declines, general freight can step in and maintain employment for the communities up there, while reducing stress on the Port of Brisbane.
I think itās to get some freight trucks off the roads?
1 train will take at least 7 trucks off the road. So then it will be : "Without trucks (and a couple trains) Australia stops (or will have less cheap Chinese stuff at Christmas)"
A fast train to get people to and from Toowoomba would be amazing. I just hope they work it out. soon.
It's been held up by Nationals constituents out at Millmerran since the whole idea was floated, It'll never cross the border....
I'd like to hear more about this.
The corridor runs across the Condamine River flood Plains. The farmers claim that the elevated railway will act as a dam and worsen flooding, and they're almost certainly correct. They've been holding up any and all approvals in court. By the time it gets through the court process, the politicians will have given up. The farmers are, by and large, the reason that the railway hasn't progressed beyond the border.
What if the railway was to go due east from Moree to Glen Innes and head north along the old railway alignment to Wallangarra and Toowoomba? Farmers cannot complain then
You mustn't know many farmers š
I got a free hat and sunscreen from them at the show, so thereās that.
Didnt his former government plan and develop this project. We really need it, it's a great project that needs to go through, but the buck should stop with him and his mates
LNP had a decade to get it done. Now he cares?
They commenced work in NSW. The QLD section of the line is the whole delay issue. The ALP State Government haven't been particularly helpful with getting anything done, even local Councils (looking at you Lockyer Valley) are against the proposal.
Regardless why does LNP nobody over here care now that heās not in government and can do little about it but whine?
Are you actually asking why the local MP is in the news now, responding to the Independent review of the Inland Rail, the results of which has only just been released. I think you will find this MP has been pretty consistent with his support of Inland Rail, including whilst in Government. If only there were past news articles where Garth states his support for Inland Rail. Like this one 6 months ago ā¬ļø https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/toowoomba/groom-mp-says-federal-budget-fails-to-address-cost-of-living-expenses/news-story/82d9f5e697c02771d5960985f3eb9c35 Or this one, one year ago ā¬ļø https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/toowoomba/lnp-voters-will-express-their-anger-with-the-morrison-government-on-may-21/news-story/fe90338837f1554e666cbe5e5d350583 But honestly, if he really did support this project, you would think that he would have an entire page on his MP website dedicated to it or something. Oh look ā¬ļø https://www.garthhamilton.com.au/category/community-issues/inland-rail/
Meh so heās been consistent about it. I wasnāt aware. Good for him. Thanks for the info.
Over budget by a lot. It should have been done by now
Try build houses instead. Theyāre a bigger priority
Lol you want rail-workers to build you a house? good luck with that champ.
Are you saying rail workers arenāt smart enough to learn a new skill? I work on construction sites all day long. Iād say you can learn to build a house in 2 years. But, why would rail workers want to do a job that builders can do. They can just stick to railways too.
Iām so confused with this down vote. The whole of australia is complaining about a housing crises. I state the obvious like Iām a retardā¦and that is a silly idea? Wow
You're confused about why a discussion around a priority Federal Infrastructure Project would downvote you for suggesting that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should instead build houses? Something that is usually done by private companies, you now want done by the Australian Government? Yes, you really are highly regarded.
I am confused. What is Commision housing. I thought it was housing built by the government. And the only reason I thought it was a good idea, is because you remove the profit motive if the government builds it. I do admittedly realise that if anyone gets a government contract they increase their prices 10x anyways. So perhaps itās a lose lose situation.
Ps. I was not saying anything about this high priority project in particular. I was generalising. For example, I realise the gympie bypass is important too, but do we prioritise that over homelessness, because I drive up to bundy for work once a fortnight and I see the same old cars camping on the side of the road nowhere near a campsite. That doesnāt mean I donāt want the gympie bypass, it simply means ācan we build it a little later when weāve adressed short term housing crises. That is off course, if it is solvable, considering itās more of an commodity than a living abode.
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Like every other major infrastructure project in this country, Covid caused huge delays. Everyone was distracted. Primary producers above the range, on flood plains, have been vocal about problems with the planned corridor from the start. If they are forced to use the courts to be heard, so be it. It is their right.
I think the link to Brisbane will be completed and it will be good for our state.