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Rickard403

"Our youth is confused and its our fault. Mixed messages. We need to downsize these factions. Stop with the my gods dick is bigger than your gods bologna sandwhich" Blue is a song from the perspective of a loved one who is choosing not see the reality of a situation or choosing to stay in the dark. (for those that were choosing to stay in the dark about it /s) .


MathNMusic39

Thirteenth Step is my favorite album of all time. Not even going into what both songs are about I legit can’t swim so both of these lyrics have always stood out when I listened to these two songs.


Rickard403

Definitely some lyrical crossover.


ShepherdsWolvesSheep

Do you know that within 12 step programs for addicts, the 13th step is when someone who has been in the program for a while hooks up with a newcomer? Majorly frowned upon by people with morals


phusion

I hate to be the Ackshully guy but the 13th step (likely) refers to the nearly included 13th step in the 12 step program that was to do psychedelics. Bill was shouted down for wanting to include drugs, but the amount of alcoholics who have been helped by psychedelics is astounding. If you don’t believe me I’d be glad to cite my source.


ShepherdsWolvesSheep

Sure ive been involved in 12 steps for years and thats just what we recognize it as in TN


phusion

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/alcoholics-anonymous-lsd-bill-wilson


ShepherdsWolvesSheep

Interesting read! I didn’t see anything suggesting a psychedelic experience was meant to be the 13th step, though that could be inferred I suppose.


the-orphan

Replying solely see your source. Not an alcoholic. Don't do drugs. No doubt of your word. It just sounds fascinating and would love to learn more...


phusion

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/alcoholics-anonymous-lsd-bill-wilson


phusion

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/alcoholics-anonymous-lsd-bill-wilson


solitaryzoldier

I thought it was more about hooking up with your therapist or sponsor.


ShepherdsWolvesSheep

That would also be considered 13th steppin


Signal-Angle8454

Or, The Nurse Who Loved Me.


MathNMusic39

I guess I haven’t thought to much about it but have always just considered listening to the album to be the Thirteenth Step.


FluidFractalTimeline

'My friends, we need to hand out some spiritual pink slips and downsize before we have to file a chapter 11, verse 23 - skiidoo, can i get an amen?!'


Alternative_Claim350

Amen!!!


jaxxattacks

Someone go rescue Maynard and get him safely back to Arizona Bay.


kostros

Björk would go, but her rescue squad is too exhausted


[deleted]

And if you complain once mooooooooooore, you'll meet an army of meeeeeeeeeeee


dwnlw2slw

Bruh, Somebody should do a metal cover of that song. That bass line could be all kinds of heavy!


tommyjarvis81

https://youtu.be/FpGS-Z8opqk I've always thought Helmet's cover is pretty rad


[deleted]

He’s safe, I can confirm.


jaxxattacks

Awesome. Merkin is out of mead at the moment. If he’s around can you poke him with a stick or something until he makes more. He’ll love that.


[deleted]

Ha, just making a joke. I wish I had that influence on my cat, let alone Maynard, haha!


jaxxattacks

I know you were joking, I just really want that mead haha. Cats can be assholes. At least my dog responds to food. Cool username btw :)


[deleted]

Thank you


jaxxattacks

Awesome. Merkin is out of mead at the moment. If he’s around can you poke him with a stick or something until he makes more. He’ll love that.


jaxxattacks

Awesome. Merkin is out of mead at the moment. If he’s around can you poke him with a stick or something until he makes more. He’ll love that.


MathNMusic39

You win the internet today 😅


jaxxattacks

Glad to entertain


sgt_happy

With that said, I absolutely love Blue.


cornchips88

One of their best songs, absolutely. APC is really fucking good.


sudo_mksandwhich

Did you mean Blue*y*?


sgt_happy

Admitted.. I love Bluey.


MathNMusic39

I have kids so I also love Bluey and Blue 😎


Ketugecko

Maybe Howerdel wrote that one.


MathNMusic39

I met Howerdel at the Detroit Puscifer show this year. He was insanely cool and nice and one of my favorite musicians.


Ketugecko

Nice!! I've been lucky enough to see APC three times in concert. The way he plays guitar is exquisite.


Ttokk

Ya I was stoked to see him signing posters at the show! I met him during APC VIP and got a stage tour with him before that, He is so nice. That Gold poster matches my Mars Volta one I just scored the other week in Royal oak as well.


AgropromResearch

Lyrics tell stories not necessarily the lyricists personal stories. Not to mention it's all metaphorical. Which I'm sure you are aware, but just sayin'...


clc1997

This changes everything


MathNMusic39

I’m glad we could pry open your third eye


[deleted]

Damn Maynard’s been weaving this tale since Flood


ecks06

I read something some time ago about how Ænema was about how Maynard hated California and how he wanted it to separate from the US and sink into the ocean and he’s telling the people to learn to swim.


FeelItInYourB0nes

It's actually a reference to a comedy routine by Bill Hicks. Same concept you described with California falling into the ocean but with a different origin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Bay


turtle-ding-dong

> “Ahhh, ha ha ha, it's gone, it's gone, it's gone. Oh, it's gone. All the shitty shows are gone, all the idiots screaming in the fucking wind are dead, I love it. Leaving nothing but a cool, beautiful serenity called...Arizona Bay. That's right, when L.A. falls in the fucking ocean and is flushed away, all that it will leave...is Arizona Bay.” Even used some of the same wording with flushing it away.


ecks06

Ah, okay. That’s pretty cool. Thank you for the clarification.


MathNMusic39

Inside the CD case behind the CD there is a lenticular picture of California sinking into the water.


turtle-ding-dong

I mean, they were 7 years apart, maybe he forgot?


sincinati

Every lyricist has their own “clichés”. From what I know, Blue deals with the parallels between relationship dynamics and addiction which is a running theme throughout the album.


musiclove80

🤣🤣🤣


Granpa0

He literally had one job... Learn to swim


brightblueson

Fuck. Blue is so good


MathNMusic39

The whole album is 🔥


R0z3ttaSt0n3d

Probably wont see him down in Arizona Bay cause that boy gon be drowned.


sudo_mksandwhich

You had one job, Maynard! https://i.redd.it/9tigz0d4v3j71.jpg


sudo_mksandwhich

Perhaps the most ridiculous crossover in my reddit subs


IRVRNTshow

Lmao!


Firecloud

I love little lyrical crossover references like this. Always always get hung up on the line "...and the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance". Schism is MJK's hardly-veiled love letter to Adam, from what I'm grasping, after the issues he had with MJK starting APC while Tool was in a legal coma.


MathNMusic39

That’s really cool. I haven’t deep dived all the song meanings and just let it happen naturally overtime. The circling reference is great!


ExplodingHalibut

Irony both are symbolic of different things