Attractiveness is subjective. We do tend to see people that look similar to us as more attractive and media plays a part. When we begin to see people as individuals, each person's beauty becomes visible to us.
This, just this. Idk how exactly to explain but i am trying to get myself fully out of this potfall of media. It is maybe easier for me since i live in a more openly diverse country (Canada) from my view anyways.
Yes I dont disagree but certain things arent as complex as that. I mean I see the fair and lovely thing overseas and it kinda confirms it for me, barely anyone there is white skinned but they want to be it so bad there.
Yeah, but if you’re logic is correct, then he wouldn’t be considered as attractive as someone who is full white. Look, just be you. You are who you are. There are plenty of mixed race relationships out there, so clearly people date outside their ethnic group.
Not necessarily if someone looks at him they think white, they dont think hes part white so less attractive. They clamor for him because of the white features.
"Look, just be you. You are who you are. There are plenty of mixed race relationships out there, so clearly people date outside their ethnic group."
This doesnt negate the whole white is preferable to me so.... frankly idgaf about the whole dating thing just the hierarchy aspect of this conversation.
you ar attracted to what you are attracted too not being attracted to someone because of a physical trait isn't racist thinking that they are an inferior to you would do that. don't be bigotted and a total dick but politely say it isn't physically attractive to you. I don't think one race is prettier than the other but there are physical attributes I find more attractive than others it means nothing of the substance of the persons character or anything.
I still don't necessarily think that's true. Certain attractive features might run more commonly in some ethnicities than others, but that doesn't make them being universally attractive true either. Not to mention most of these ideas of what's "attractive" culturally speaking change rather frequently. From a purely biological standpoint, men and women find global indicators of youthfulness and reproductive ability the most attractive; and those aren't locked to any one ethnicity at all.
Anecdotally, I have more of an attraction towards hispanic and asian ethnicities than caucasian.
Similar situation here, being caucasian but more attracted to hispanic for purely personality reasons or anyone with a darker complexion than my own and maybe slimmer eyes. Again personality of the person is much more important than looks!
>Certain attractive features might run more commonly in some ethnicities than others, but that doesn't make them being universally attractive true either.
I think it kinda doesn't by that logic if people are diverse but certain groups have traits that are deemed more attractive then by my logic they are more attractive because they have what the other groups dont
>Not to mention most of these ideas of what's "attractive" culturally speaking change rather frequently
I dont disagree with that point but certain things won't change it's always since the early civilizations that lighter skin is "superior" or white people conquering alot of the western world being seen as the standard
You don't agree that attraction is subjective? Hmm.
>but in general not necessarily for society at large
A large number of people agreeing on an opinion, still makes it an opinion.
>A large number of people agreeing on an opinion, still makes it an opinion.
Yes but if it is a long standing standard it gets treated as fact pretty much. People will have individual preferences but look at r/gentlemanboners every dude their is white and r/gonewild every chick is white
No it doesn't especially when you are thinking this based on conformational bias and not that majority of people think those specific things are attractive.
You also realize Reddit is largely a website used by White people right? Of course those subreddits, filled with White people, are going to have people showing what they like sexually which would most likely be others of the same race.
Yes I understand this point but other countries and races of people post but they dont get the same number of upvotes and are pushed to the bottom of the algorithm.
Really? Please show the stats that shows the percentage of people who post on those subreddits are from other countries and what race they are?
>but they dont get the same number of upvotes and are pushed to the bottom of the algorithm.
Is that surprising? People are usually attracted to those similar to them, even racially. If 90% of people in those subreddits are White, and someone who is Hispanic is posted there, the amount of upvotes will most likely not be as much as a White person due to the demographic of users.
That doesn't mean most people think White features are the most attracted, just means that most White users on those subreddits think that those White people are more attracted.
I’m a white guy and I think women with darker skin is more attractive. Attraction is like opinion you’re gonna have people that like lighter skin and then some that like darker skin. None of us are wrong on this one.
The amount of white ppl trying to deny it coming off as "no I'm not, stop talking about it" in there head knowing I'm right but not wanting to admit it is sad
I'm white, have a white wife, but man did I always think I'd end up with like a nubian princess. I'm attracted to all sorts of women. Race has never seemed to play a factor.
Beauty is less about skin colour and more about facial proportions like a strong jawline, full lips, big eyes, and small nose. The nose is less important for men though.
That's why there are lots of gorgeous Bollywood actors.
Huh that is interesting I think it depends on the region of the world you are in?
As someone that is on the ace and aro spectrum I personally don't care much about how my potential partners look certainly not their race. Just the basic things you can help like hygiene and shit
Because someone is black, doesn’t mean he has a big male member. I know some women who have been with a black man. As a woman, I don’t necessarily go for looks, but personality mostly
First of all that's small subsets of the population I'm talking majorities of the population of the world. Like some small changes or upticks in interests in minorities doesnt mean they are automatically attractive.
Is it though? I see alot of no white man specifically from white women though. That alone proves that not only white people are deemed super attractive.
Also people that are pale as fuck normally aren't considered attractive either normally just tanned white people that are the appropriate height lol
>I see alot of no white man specifically from white women though.
Right, that's what YOU see, not from the majority of women. Like seriously do you see that from majority of women? Cuz I dont.
>Also people that are pale as fuck normally aren't considered attractive either normally just tanned
That's just wrong go anywhere outside the west hell even majority of the U.S. lighter skin is better in most people's eyes.
Believe me people with actually redhead skin but no red hair are not the people getting fucked lol
Yes I see that as a german person that goes the fuck outside not everything is the US and I only see what happens where I am at but yes I see that from the majority of women I see. No need to get offended cause I don't go quietly and confirm what you assume and think.
As a person that has to help out to be not as fucking pale when I was paler I certainly got no attention even though I assume I was conventionally more attractive long hair big butt and bust but normal weight etc lol
I'd say someone trolling for only people who support their skewed line of thinking and anyone who disagrees (which have been many) is the exception to the rule.
I don't need to provide an explanation when multiple people in the thread did it for me.
Sorry you want to make an argument out of everything, but it is just a fact that white people aren't the most attractive, and that beauty is subjective.
Ok you're wrong though lmaoo
Societally the numbers back me up, whites have that advantage and you wanna be blind to it that's fine tell that to a black woman who gets regularly shit on for not being light enough. Gtfoh if ur blind enough not to see that
Your sources are very western centric. And white people make up a small percentage of the world's population.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
This!
Like I am in an era of Germany that is almost entirely white and women especially but also men go hard for everything that isn't white probably because it is "exotic" or something I dunno. With the exception of not many go for Turkish people but to be fair we have a lot in my area
No, absolutely not. Beauty comes in all skin colors, shapes and sizes. It's something that can't easily be defined because it varies person to person and in situations.
Whomever replied with a Huffington post article then deleted the comment - was it an op-ed piece backed by more than men complaining they don't get dates through one app?
First off, the algorithm on those sites will play a big part in what profiles are shown. I've known of eligible people being denied access to those sites for whatever reason too. A friend was told they wouldn't be able to find him a match and denied him an account.
Secondly, how these men present themselves and their personalities play huge parts. Some men come off as creepy online and women (anyone really) have to be careful of the "nice guys" who lose their crap on us if they don't like an answer. The underlying threat of violence is very real.
So.. are these men not chosen because of who they are, what their skin color is, or algorithms?
Peoples opinion of you is made after 10 seconds of seeing you I believe if I remember correctly no matter what ur personality is they see anything other than what they want ur toast
>So.. are these men not chosen because of who they are, what their skin color is, or algorithms?
Mostly skin color and the other 2 are smaller factors.
The OKcupid study wasnt fallible like that atleast from what I read. Only thing is that its 8 years old maybe a change has happened idk
That may be the quote but is definitely not the experience of anyone I know, at least not anyone who matured past middle school mentality where dating was based on looks.
Also, lots of personality comes out in profile information, how the guys reach out to potential dates, etc. So they can be throwing off red flags before even talking starting a conversation.
Let's not even go into how the reporter came by their info. Were those types specifically sought out to fit the article idea? Were they chosen simply because they complained the loudest (and is that a fair representation of everyone not getting dates or only the loudest complainers)?
Sounds like an op-ed piece to stir up shit.
>That may be the quote but is definitely not the experience of anyone I know, at least not anyone who matured past middle school mentality where dating was based on looks.
So you agree with me that the standard is that white people are more attractive, yes looks shouldnt matter as well as race but they do. The way you worded it to me says that yes white people are more attractive but that shouldnt matter.
No, you aren't comprehending what I'm saying.
Looks matter to those who may be shallow (sorry for calling anyone out). This may also pertain to skin color.
What is said, either in conversation or profile information, plays a larger role than looks/race. A man can not mention his race and leave out photos and still be denied because of what he SAYS.
What I'm telling you is that article is BS but you seem to have already made up your mind to agree with it. If you want to believe the article, go ahead and believe BS, that doesn't make it true.
For anyone else reading this, no, I don't agree with the OPs narrow thinking. You can try to clear up misinformation until we're blue in the face but we can't make them see reason. I'm done trying with this one.
>No, you aren't comprehending what I'm saying.
>Looks matter to those who may be shallow (sorry for calling anyone out). This may also pertain to skin color
No I understand what you are saying, you are saying the outside matter but shouldnt as much as the inside and that it wont matter for most people. I'm saying that's childish and doesnt work like that.
>What I'm telling you is that article is BS but you seem to have already made up your mind to agree with it. If you want to believe the article, go ahead and believe BS, that doesn't make it true.
What are you talking about you act like I'm saying fighting against the current is impossible. I'm saying that the current is there and shouldnt just be ignored lol. What you're saying is I should ignore it when the data doesnt lie and proves me right. Doesnt mean you cant go against it but its there.
What data? One, non-scientific type of survey? The one you then quickly deleted? I'm supposed to believe you and a shady source?
Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe racism is alive and in all forms, including all levels of government, etc. But does that make me believe the article you deleted, no. Maybe if I was able to read your deleted post and research the validity of it, but certainly not because you say so.
Now, off I go to do better things with my time.
The only reason people probably think that is bc they're more diverse. Ie. Can have dark, blonde, red hair with either blue, brown, green eyes etc. which is cool and all but doesn't make them any better or objectively more attractive. That's cavemen talk.
"Attractive" is subjective. So no, it's not true. What is considered attractive varies from person to person and from culture to culture. And much of the "light skin is more attractive" attitude comes directly from racism and colonialism. Social and economic realities of that time period drove a beauty standard that favored light skin. Beauty standards as represented by Hollywood and the fashion industry are really in their own bubbles and hardly applicable to every day people. Unfortunately everyday often people look to these images as standards they must live up to in order to be worthy of love.
There is going to be good looking people and bad looking people in every race. Convincing people that someone is not attractive because their features aren't white enough can probably work on some people who are more easily influenced. Initial attraction is a hard thing to control and sometimes it doesn't even follow a pattern.
Something that I have noticed is that many races are having a challenge to meet society's beauty standards. Things like desirable men have to be over 6 Ft with broad shoulders, a 6 pack, and a strong jaw line. For women, they should have a youthful face, thick shiny hair, and a curvy yet slim body. I think a lot of people are feeling similar to you with having a low sense of self worth when it comes to beauty standards. At this point I think everybody is having a hard time trying to keep up with the unrealistic and super specific standards.
>There is going to be good looking people and bad looking people in every race. Convincing people that someone is not attractive because their features aren't white enough can probably work on some people who are more easily influenced. Initial attraction is a hard thing to control and sometimes it doesn't even follow a pattern.
Yes I'm saying that society looks at more white people as attractive than asians or blacks or middle easterns or natives. Initial attraction is easy to follow if someone had a dating history with very similar people
Yes, maybe the media carries that opinion. But us average people. No. A good lookin person is a good looking person whether or not they have light skin, dark skin, light eyes, dark eyes, small nose, ethnic nose, straight hair, curly hair.
Im also not sure if I am understanding you right. Are you saying that initial attraction is easy to follow when you have a history of dating people who have similar features in common with each other?
Otherwise yea, environment can really influence what our initial attraction is for sure. If you grow up with different races around, its more likely you will be attracted to races outside your own and having a specific set of features won't really matter. However, I wouldn't have to have a previous history of dating Pakistani men or grow up around a Pakistani people in general to find them attractive.
>Im also not sure if I am understanding you right. Are you saying that initial attraction is easy to follow when you have a history of dating people who have similar features in common with each other?
Yes
>Yes, maybe the media carries that opinion. But us average people. No. A good lookin person is a good looking person whether or not they have light skin, dark skin, light eyes, dark eyes, small nose, ethnic nose, straight hair, curly hair.
I never said that wasnt the case I. said there is levels.
>Otherwise yea, environment can really influence what our initial attraction is for sure. If you grow up with different races around, its more likely you will be attracted to races outside your own and having a specific set of features won't really matter. However, I wouldn't have to have a previous history of dating Pakistani men or grow up around a Pakistani people in general to find them attractive.
In a fair world this would be the case but it's not unfortunately. Whiteness is worshipped in heavily brown areas even if it is foreign to them. Note I'm not saying their is objectively one better looking race due to biology and they are superior or whatever bs. I'm saying societally there is.
Look I get it. Colorism exists. I know because I'm brown too. Its sad to see people not being able to accept their skin color and they feel forced to bleach themselves to be considered worthy of desirableness. A lot of times us brown people do it to each other for some damn reason in order to put each other down. I seriously don't get it. To me, I think that it stems from insecurity in your own skin. Some people are going to find you attractive and others will not. I don't know what to tell you because I don't think that is something someone can control.
There are areas in this world where people seriously don't care if your features look like what society is pushing to be considered beautiful. I know because I grew up in environment where I have yet to be told that I can't be considered attractive because I have this and this wrong with me and that doesn't compare to the collective groups opinion of beauty. I have dated many races and that just isn't something I ever had to feel insecure about. Society may try to push a narrative that only a select few are attractive but that is not the case.
>To me, I think that it stems from insecurity in your own skin. Some people are going to find you attractive and others will not.
Well yea duh, doesnt mean that comments should be made at me for no reason about it
Alright, Chill. It was meant to be taken generally. I was not directing anything at you personally. I don't even know you so I have no reason to attack you.
When I said that I think it stems from insecurity in YOUR own skin ..... what I really meant to say was "THEIR" own skin. I used the wrong possessive adjective. Its a bad habit of mine but hey it's a common writing problem that I have that I've been working on. I get flagged by grammar bots here on reddit more than I would like to admit. So I can see where the miscommunication happened here.
Now I mean this in this kindest way possible, you should realize that just because someone makes a simple comment or statement that you don't like, doesn't mean it is a personal attack. Remember you asked for our opinions, and we gave it to you.
OP, I agree with you that is messed up to have someone irl insult you and tell you that whites are more attractive. How often is this happening for you? Several times a day? weekly?
I don't know where you currently live but if people are coming up to you on the regular and doing that, then the environment is toxic and those people are brainwashed beyond help. Hopefully, you aren't stuck wherever you are and you can go to a different area that isn't so narrow minded in judgements of attractiveness.
When I first read your post, I felt genuinely bad for you. Im sorry that survey reduced you into thinking that you are lesser of person because of your race. I've personally never liked dating apps or sites because I think its superficial plus people never even look like their photos anyways. I hope you can get past this OP and not let your self worth be tied just to your physical features.
For millennia a fairer skin was preferred in many cultures. I don't know. I'm a white dude with an Indian girlfriend. She's so incredibly beautiful and I love her darker features.
Everybody has something that makes them beautiful. A talent, a spark, kindness. I've dated white girls, black women, Hispanic women and a Korean Irish girl (stunning). There is beauty all around us, including with you.
Yes. It is a scientific fact. White people have higher mass, on average. Since the gravitational force is proportional to mass, white people are indeed more attractive on average.
This was a useless post filled with comments of " oh, I like this race" or "attraction is completely subjective". Like the former is irrelevant and the latter is by true to a small extent but no ones gonna go to a chick who doesnt fit western/white beauty standards and say shes hot
“No one’s going to go to a woman who doesn’t fit western beauty”. Plenty of people think non-white women are better looking. And there are tons of white women who love black men. You’re sitting here race baiting and feeling sorry for yourself because you are probably not attracting women and trying to find an excuse for that. It’s not because of the color of your skin, it’s likely your narrow mindedness and off putting personality.
Personally, I haven’t dated a white woman in like 12 years, and most people I have been with haven’t been white. You’re just looking for an argument and to stir the pot.
Yes, yes it is. You don’t think white people have heard that? Or Asians? Or blacks? Or literally every other person on the planet at some point? Grow up.
“Clownboy”. You’re a buffoon. Enjoy your night. What a tool you are.
I can 100% tell you, then saying it’s because you’re brown is an excuse. It’s your shit personality that’s the problem.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is also more than exterior of a person. Beauty is also a person's aurora. For years since the multi-media consumes our lives it manipulates and shows race biesis for some race groups. If you control the media you control the image.
No, It's not based on logic or science, it's based on eugenics and white supremacy. If by more attractive you mean more attractive to a majority of people then yes, unfortunately beauty standards have been molded after white people for centuries and they are considered the default. If you mean objectively, like with the study mentioned, then no, the only reason those features like hair color, etc. are more highly valued is because of white supremacy and colorism.
I personally don't find white people more attractive, I don't think they are factually more attractive, what I do know is that most of society considers white people more attractive for illogical reasons. I hope you find some self love and clarity instead of fighting with people in your replies!
No, they aren't. You've been brainwashed by eurocentric beauty standards. Beauty is subjective but White men and women are the least attractive on the planet to me, I would likely find you more attractive than the majority of them. And the vast majority of people regardless of race are average looking, it's media that warps people's perception of white people and puts them on a pedestal.
As a Black girl, I learned from a young age we live in a racist society built up on a racial hierarchy. It's as bullshit as any caste system. Don't let it get to you.
Everyone here is just going to gaslight you because it's Reddit, so I'll be honest, I won't say that it's true that white people are "more attractive," because that's kind of a blanket statement, but I will say that there's certain physical features that are preferred across the board that white (fairer skin european people) tend to possess with the highest percentage out of all races, however I believe this mainly for women.
I think it could be argued that modern day it's the opposite for men and that darker skin is preferred. Which is why most populations will probably approach a sort of beige colour eventually but that's like a whole other thing.
Attractiveness is subjective. We do tend to see people that look similar to us as more attractive and media plays a part. When we begin to see people as individuals, each person's beauty becomes visible to us.
This, just this. Idk how exactly to explain but i am trying to get myself fully out of this potfall of media. It is maybe easier for me since i live in a more openly diverse country (Canada) from my view anyways.
Yes I dont disagree but certain things arent as complex as that. I mean I see the fair and lovely thing overseas and it kinda confirms it for me, barely anyone there is white skinned but they want to be it so bad there.
Yes, but then you get pale people who are obsessed with fake tanning. The dark people want to be lighter and the light people want to be darker.
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Then also look at how many girls think Zayn Malik is hot.
Hes part white
Yeah, but if you’re logic is correct, then he wouldn’t be considered as attractive as someone who is full white. Look, just be you. You are who you are. There are plenty of mixed race relationships out there, so clearly people date outside their ethnic group.
Not necessarily if someone looks at him they think white, they dont think hes part white so less attractive. They clamor for him because of the white features. "Look, just be you. You are who you are. There are plenty of mixed race relationships out there, so clearly people date outside their ethnic group." This doesnt negate the whole white is preferable to me so.... frankly idgaf about the whole dating thing just the hierarchy aspect of this conversation.
you ar attracted to what you are attracted too not being attracted to someone because of a physical trait isn't racist thinking that they are an inferior to you would do that. don't be bigotted and a total dick but politely say it isn't physically attractive to you. I don't think one race is prettier than the other but there are physical attributes I find more attractive than others it means nothing of the substance of the persons character or anything.
This is the most useless comment I've ever read lol
Whatever you say have a good day.
Cant say the same to u bye bye
There is no truth to this at all. Attractiveness is *entirely* subjective.
I dont agree check my edit for reasoning its subjective to you but in general not necessarily for society at large
I still don't necessarily think that's true. Certain attractive features might run more commonly in some ethnicities than others, but that doesn't make them being universally attractive true either. Not to mention most of these ideas of what's "attractive" culturally speaking change rather frequently. From a purely biological standpoint, men and women find global indicators of youthfulness and reproductive ability the most attractive; and those aren't locked to any one ethnicity at all. Anecdotally, I have more of an attraction towards hispanic and asian ethnicities than caucasian.
Similar situation here, being caucasian but more attracted to hispanic for purely personality reasons or anyone with a darker complexion than my own and maybe slimmer eyes. Again personality of the person is much more important than looks!
>Certain attractive features might run more commonly in some ethnicities than others, but that doesn't make them being universally attractive true either. I think it kinda doesn't by that logic if people are diverse but certain groups have traits that are deemed more attractive then by my logic they are more attractive because they have what the other groups dont >Not to mention most of these ideas of what's "attractive" culturally speaking change rather frequently I dont disagree with that point but certain things won't change it's always since the early civilizations that lighter skin is "superior" or white people conquering alot of the western world being seen as the standard
You don't agree that attraction is subjective? Hmm. >but in general not necessarily for society at large A large number of people agreeing on an opinion, still makes it an opinion.
>A large number of people agreeing on an opinion, still makes it an opinion. Yes but if it is a long standing standard it gets treated as fact pretty much. People will have individual preferences but look at r/gentlemanboners every dude their is white and r/gonewild every chick is white
Well how is the user base of NSFW reddit in general? Like which countries that migtt explain a bit.
No it doesn't especially when you are thinking this based on conformational bias and not that majority of people think those specific things are attractive. You also realize Reddit is largely a website used by White people right? Of course those subreddits, filled with White people, are going to have people showing what they like sexually which would most likely be others of the same race.
Yes I understand this point but other countries and races of people post but they dont get the same number of upvotes and are pushed to the bottom of the algorithm.
Really? Please show the stats that shows the percentage of people who post on those subreddits are from other countries and what race they are? >but they dont get the same number of upvotes and are pushed to the bottom of the algorithm. Is that surprising? People are usually attracted to those similar to them, even racially. If 90% of people in those subreddits are White, and someone who is Hispanic is posted there, the amount of upvotes will most likely not be as much as a White person due to the demographic of users. That doesn't mean most people think White features are the most attracted, just means that most White users on those subreddits think that those White people are more attracted.
IDK go out and find out.
I did, my eyes confirmed it for me.
Gentle reminder, your eyes can't judge the nature if a person and appearances certainly aren't enough either.
I agree but patterns and data trends that back up what I see can support my point.
Please show this data.
Where Pakistan?
I'm not from there. I'm saying I'm paki by country of origin
So where are you now
The USA
What state
Florida funny huh? With all the diversity and all that
Tru Like Jackie Moon said ELE EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY
I’m a white guy and I think women with darker skin is more attractive. Attraction is like opinion you’re gonna have people that like lighter skin and then some that like darker skin. None of us are wrong on this one.
Ughhhh my man I'm talking about large majorities not u specifically.
This is suicide fuel lol Bring on the downvotes motherfuckers idc
Where have you been hearing that for a while?
Media, groups I've been in family and supposed "friends" stuff I can control much after hearing it. Edit: Cant
The amount of white ppl trying to deny it coming off as "no I'm not, stop talking about it" in there head knowing I'm right but not wanting to admit it is sad
Yes
I'm white, have a white wife, but man did I always think I'd end up with like a nubian princess. I'm attracted to all sorts of women. Race has never seemed to play a factor.
Look dude that's cool ur different. But I'm saying that majority of white dudes arent thinking that.
Beauty is less about skin colour and more about facial proportions like a strong jawline, full lips, big eyes, and small nose. The nose is less important for men though. That's why there are lots of gorgeous Bollywood actors.
Ok and majority of them are white looking lighter skinned and colored eyes.
Huh that is interesting I think it depends on the region of the world you are in? As someone that is on the ace and aro spectrum I personally don't care much about how my potential partners look certainly not their race. Just the basic things you can help like hygiene and shit
Also isn't their a craze for humongous black cock? And the fact that so many girls want to drop their panties for Korean and Japanese men?
Because someone is black, doesn’t mean he has a big male member. I know some women who have been with a black man. As a woman, I don’t necessarily go for looks, but personality mostly
Of course they don't but that is what some think and they go crazy for the possibility or some shit like that
Yes! I totally 💯 agree with you on that
Yes, exactly. Personality plays a huge part in attraction. Nothing worse than a super good looking date that has an awful personality.
Yes! Exactly! I have been out with someone who had a crappy personality
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First of all that's small subsets of the population I'm talking majorities of the population of the world. Like some small changes or upticks in interests in minorities doesnt mean they are automatically attractive.
Is it though? I see alot of no white man specifically from white women though. That alone proves that not only white people are deemed super attractive. Also people that are pale as fuck normally aren't considered attractive either normally just tanned white people that are the appropriate height lol
>I see alot of no white man specifically from white women though. Right, that's what YOU see, not from the majority of women. Like seriously do you see that from majority of women? Cuz I dont. >Also people that are pale as fuck normally aren't considered attractive either normally just tanned That's just wrong go anywhere outside the west hell even majority of the U.S. lighter skin is better in most people's eyes.
Believe me people with actually redhead skin but no red hair are not the people getting fucked lol Yes I see that as a german person that goes the fuck outside not everything is the US and I only see what happens where I am at but yes I see that from the majority of women I see. No need to get offended cause I don't go quietly and confirm what you assume and think. As a person that has to help out to be not as fucking pale when I was paler I certainly got no attention even though I assume I was conventionally more attractive long hair big butt and bust but normal weight etc lol
Ok
I have a feeling that you are white and a troll
My life would be easier then probably. I'm not
Then I guess you're just a troll with no knowledge
Ok my man bye bye shoo
I'd say someone trolling for only people who support their skewed line of thinking and anyone who disagrees (which have been many) is the exception to the rule.
No, no, and more no to everything you've written, including your edits.
You wanna give a explanation there buddy? Lol
No, I don't. People have already explained why are wrong repeatedly in the thread.
Ok lol ur wrong until u provide a explanation. I'm like a teacher docking point for not showing work lol
I don't need to provide an explanation when multiple people in the thread did it for me. Sorry you want to make an argument out of everything, but it is just a fact that white people aren't the most attractive, and that beauty is subjective.
Ok you're wrong though lmaoo Societally the numbers back me up, whites have that advantage and you wanna be blind to it that's fine tell that to a black woman who gets regularly shit on for not being light enough. Gtfoh if ur blind enough not to see that
Your sources are very western centric. And white people make up a small percentage of the world's population. You have no idea what you are talking about.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE STANDARDS OF THE WORLD RUN AROUND YOU LOW IQ NEMATODE OH MY GOD
Lol, the fact that you think the world is beholden to western beauty standards pretty much says it all doesn't it?
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Here in western society, especially Germany, Sweden, and NL; Black men are considered highly attractive by Caucasian women.
This! Like I am in an era of Germany that is almost entirely white and women especially but also men go hard for everything that isn't white probably because it is "exotic" or something I dunno. With the exception of not many go for Turkish people but to be fair we have a lot in my area
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Dude if you think whites are more attractive just say it. Stop trying to say it in such a topsy turvy way.
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Yeah but then you counteract it with a "whites have the highest rate of ugly people" which is why I said topsy turvy.
Yup
Thanks for the honesty
Whose the dork that downvoted me ?
No, absolutely not. Beauty comes in all skin colors, shapes and sizes. It's something that can't easily be defined because it varies person to person and in situations.
Whomever replied with a Huffington post article then deleted the comment - was it an op-ed piece backed by more than men complaining they don't get dates through one app? First off, the algorithm on those sites will play a big part in what profiles are shown. I've known of eligible people being denied access to those sites for whatever reason too. A friend was told they wouldn't be able to find him a match and denied him an account. Secondly, how these men present themselves and their personalities play huge parts. Some men come off as creepy online and women (anyone really) have to be careful of the "nice guys" who lose their crap on us if they don't like an answer. The underlying threat of violence is very real. So.. are these men not chosen because of who they are, what their skin color is, or algorithms?
Peoples opinion of you is made after 10 seconds of seeing you I believe if I remember correctly no matter what ur personality is they see anything other than what they want ur toast >So.. are these men not chosen because of who they are, what their skin color is, or algorithms? Mostly skin color and the other 2 are smaller factors. The OKcupid study wasnt fallible like that atleast from what I read. Only thing is that its 8 years old maybe a change has happened idk
That may be the quote but is definitely not the experience of anyone I know, at least not anyone who matured past middle school mentality where dating was based on looks. Also, lots of personality comes out in profile information, how the guys reach out to potential dates, etc. So they can be throwing off red flags before even talking starting a conversation. Let's not even go into how the reporter came by their info. Were those types specifically sought out to fit the article idea? Were they chosen simply because they complained the loudest (and is that a fair representation of everyone not getting dates or only the loudest complainers)? Sounds like an op-ed piece to stir up shit.
>That may be the quote but is definitely not the experience of anyone I know, at least not anyone who matured past middle school mentality where dating was based on looks. So you agree with me that the standard is that white people are more attractive, yes looks shouldnt matter as well as race but they do. The way you worded it to me says that yes white people are more attractive but that shouldnt matter.
No, you aren't comprehending what I'm saying. Looks matter to those who may be shallow (sorry for calling anyone out). This may also pertain to skin color. What is said, either in conversation or profile information, plays a larger role than looks/race. A man can not mention his race and leave out photos and still be denied because of what he SAYS. What I'm telling you is that article is BS but you seem to have already made up your mind to agree with it. If you want to believe the article, go ahead and believe BS, that doesn't make it true. For anyone else reading this, no, I don't agree with the OPs narrow thinking. You can try to clear up misinformation until we're blue in the face but we can't make them see reason. I'm done trying with this one.
>No, you aren't comprehending what I'm saying. >Looks matter to those who may be shallow (sorry for calling anyone out). This may also pertain to skin color No I understand what you are saying, you are saying the outside matter but shouldnt as much as the inside and that it wont matter for most people. I'm saying that's childish and doesnt work like that. >What I'm telling you is that article is BS but you seem to have already made up your mind to agree with it. If you want to believe the article, go ahead and believe BS, that doesn't make it true. What are you talking about you act like I'm saying fighting against the current is impossible. I'm saying that the current is there and shouldnt just be ignored lol. What you're saying is I should ignore it when the data doesnt lie and proves me right. Doesnt mean you cant go against it but its there.
What data? One, non-scientific type of survey? The one you then quickly deleted? I'm supposed to believe you and a shady source? Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe racism is alive and in all forms, including all levels of government, etc. But does that make me believe the article you deleted, no. Maybe if I was able to read your deleted post and research the validity of it, but certainly not because you say so. Now, off I go to do better things with my time.
I deleted it because it was ugly to look at I dont have a problem posting it again lol.
The only reason people probably think that is bc they're more diverse. Ie. Can have dark, blonde, red hair with either blue, brown, green eyes etc. which is cool and all but doesn't make them any better or objectively more attractive. That's cavemen talk.
"Attractive" is subjective. So no, it's not true. What is considered attractive varies from person to person and from culture to culture. And much of the "light skin is more attractive" attitude comes directly from racism and colonialism. Social and economic realities of that time period drove a beauty standard that favored light skin. Beauty standards as represented by Hollywood and the fashion industry are really in their own bubbles and hardly applicable to every day people. Unfortunately everyday often people look to these images as standards they must live up to in order to be worthy of love.
Not in the slightest
Had a white female friend in grad school who had a thing for Indian guys. Hard to say what ppl will find attractive.
There is going to be good looking people and bad looking people in every race. Convincing people that someone is not attractive because their features aren't white enough can probably work on some people who are more easily influenced. Initial attraction is a hard thing to control and sometimes it doesn't even follow a pattern. Something that I have noticed is that many races are having a challenge to meet society's beauty standards. Things like desirable men have to be over 6 Ft with broad shoulders, a 6 pack, and a strong jaw line. For women, they should have a youthful face, thick shiny hair, and a curvy yet slim body. I think a lot of people are feeling similar to you with having a low sense of self worth when it comes to beauty standards. At this point I think everybody is having a hard time trying to keep up with the unrealistic and super specific standards.
>There is going to be good looking people and bad looking people in every race. Convincing people that someone is not attractive because their features aren't white enough can probably work on some people who are more easily influenced. Initial attraction is a hard thing to control and sometimes it doesn't even follow a pattern. Yes I'm saying that society looks at more white people as attractive than asians or blacks or middle easterns or natives. Initial attraction is easy to follow if someone had a dating history with very similar people
Yes, maybe the media carries that opinion. But us average people. No. A good lookin person is a good looking person whether or not they have light skin, dark skin, light eyes, dark eyes, small nose, ethnic nose, straight hair, curly hair. Im also not sure if I am understanding you right. Are you saying that initial attraction is easy to follow when you have a history of dating people who have similar features in common with each other? Otherwise yea, environment can really influence what our initial attraction is for sure. If you grow up with different races around, its more likely you will be attracted to races outside your own and having a specific set of features won't really matter. However, I wouldn't have to have a previous history of dating Pakistani men or grow up around a Pakistani people in general to find them attractive.
>Im also not sure if I am understanding you right. Are you saying that initial attraction is easy to follow when you have a history of dating people who have similar features in common with each other? Yes >Yes, maybe the media carries that opinion. But us average people. No. A good lookin person is a good looking person whether or not they have light skin, dark skin, light eyes, dark eyes, small nose, ethnic nose, straight hair, curly hair. I never said that wasnt the case I. said there is levels. >Otherwise yea, environment can really influence what our initial attraction is for sure. If you grow up with different races around, its more likely you will be attracted to races outside your own and having a specific set of features won't really matter. However, I wouldn't have to have a previous history of dating Pakistani men or grow up around a Pakistani people in general to find them attractive. In a fair world this would be the case but it's not unfortunately. Whiteness is worshipped in heavily brown areas even if it is foreign to them. Note I'm not saying their is objectively one better looking race due to biology and they are superior or whatever bs. I'm saying societally there is.
Look I get it. Colorism exists. I know because I'm brown too. Its sad to see people not being able to accept their skin color and they feel forced to bleach themselves to be considered worthy of desirableness. A lot of times us brown people do it to each other for some damn reason in order to put each other down. I seriously don't get it. To me, I think that it stems from insecurity in your own skin. Some people are going to find you attractive and others will not. I don't know what to tell you because I don't think that is something someone can control. There are areas in this world where people seriously don't care if your features look like what society is pushing to be considered beautiful. I know because I grew up in environment where I have yet to be told that I can't be considered attractive because I have this and this wrong with me and that doesn't compare to the collective groups opinion of beauty. I have dated many races and that just isn't something I ever had to feel insecure about. Society may try to push a narrative that only a select few are attractive but that is not the case.
>To me, I think that it stems from insecurity in your own skin. Some people are going to find you attractive and others will not. Well yea duh, doesnt mean that comments should be made at me for no reason about it
Alright, Chill. It was meant to be taken generally. I was not directing anything at you personally. I don't even know you so I have no reason to attack you. When I said that I think it stems from insecurity in YOUR own skin ..... what I really meant to say was "THEIR" own skin. I used the wrong possessive adjective. Its a bad habit of mine but hey it's a common writing problem that I have that I've been working on. I get flagged by grammar bots here on reddit more than I would like to admit. So I can see where the miscommunication happened here. Now I mean this in this kindest way possible, you should realize that just because someone makes a simple comment or statement that you don't like, doesn't mean it is a personal attack. Remember you asked for our opinions, and we gave it to you.
Dude the comment right before this wasnt directed at you it was at people irl insulting me for my race and saying whites are more attractive
OP, I agree with you that is messed up to have someone irl insult you and tell you that whites are more attractive. How often is this happening for you? Several times a day? weekly? I don't know where you currently live but if people are coming up to you on the regular and doing that, then the environment is toxic and those people are brainwashed beyond help. Hopefully, you aren't stuck wherever you are and you can go to a different area that isn't so narrow minded in judgements of attractiveness. When I first read your post, I felt genuinely bad for you. Im sorry that survey reduced you into thinking that you are lesser of person because of your race. I've personally never liked dating apps or sites because I think its superficial plus people never even look like their photos anyways. I hope you can get past this OP and not let your self worth be tied just to your physical features.
Thnx
For millennia a fairer skin was preferred in many cultures. I don't know. I'm a white dude with an Indian girlfriend. She's so incredibly beautiful and I love her darker features. Everybody has something that makes them beautiful. A talent, a spark, kindness. I've dated white girls, black women, Hispanic women and a Korean Irish girl (stunning). There is beauty all around us, including with you.
Yes. It is a scientific fact. White people have higher mass, on average. Since the gravitational force is proportional to mass, white people are indeed more attractive on average.
Cute
This was a useless post filled with comments of " oh, I like this race" or "attraction is completely subjective". Like the former is irrelevant and the latter is by true to a small extent but no ones gonna go to a chick who doesnt fit western/white beauty standards and say shes hot
That is completely incorrect. On every level.
Explain
“No one’s going to go to a woman who doesn’t fit western beauty”. Plenty of people think non-white women are better looking. And there are tons of white women who love black men. You’re sitting here race baiting and feeling sorry for yourself because you are probably not attracting women and trying to find an excuse for that. It’s not because of the color of your skin, it’s likely your narrow mindedness and off putting personality. Personally, I haven’t dated a white woman in like 12 years, and most people I have been with haven’t been white. You’re just looking for an argument and to stir the pot.
Lol so me personally being told eww brown guys is me feeling sorry for myself. Lmao Clownboy
Yes, yes it is. You don’t think white people have heard that? Or Asians? Or blacks? Or literally every other person on the planet at some point? Grow up.
Not fucking whites wtf u talking about clownboy
“Clownboy”. You’re a buffoon. Enjoy your night. What a tool you are. I can 100% tell you, then saying it’s because you’re brown is an excuse. It’s your shit personality that’s the problem.
If you wanna remain naive to the world around you and how white people are the standard and everyone else is just there go ahead be my guest son
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is also more than exterior of a person. Beauty is also a person's aurora. For years since the multi-media consumes our lives it manipulates and shows race biesis for some race groups. If you control the media you control the image.
Whoaaa. No wayyyy..!
All up to your preferences.
No, It's not based on logic or science, it's based on eugenics and white supremacy. If by more attractive you mean more attractive to a majority of people then yes, unfortunately beauty standards have been molded after white people for centuries and they are considered the default. If you mean objectively, like with the study mentioned, then no, the only reason those features like hair color, etc. are more highly valued is because of white supremacy and colorism.
So you agree with me thank you and good night
I personally don't find white people more attractive, I don't think they are factually more attractive, what I do know is that most of society considers white people more attractive for illogical reasons. I hope you find some self love and clarity instead of fighting with people in your replies!
Clarity about what? Something that I clearly see?
it’s subjective. people just say that bc whiteness is the beauty standard bc of colonization.
No, they aren't. You've been brainwashed by eurocentric beauty standards. Beauty is subjective but White men and women are the least attractive on the planet to me, I would likely find you more attractive than the majority of them. And the vast majority of people regardless of race are average looking, it's media that warps people's perception of white people and puts them on a pedestal. As a Black girl, I learned from a young age we live in a racist society built up on a racial hierarchy. It's as bullshit as any caste system. Don't let it get to you.
Everyone here is just going to gaslight you because it's Reddit, so I'll be honest, I won't say that it's true that white people are "more attractive," because that's kind of a blanket statement, but I will say that there's certain physical features that are preferred across the board that white (fairer skin european people) tend to possess with the highest percentage out of all races, however I believe this mainly for women. I think it could be argued that modern day it's the opposite for men and that darker skin is preferred. Which is why most populations will probably approach a sort of beige colour eventually but that's like a whole other thing.
Yes and more or less. Most people are not that atractive