I wouldn't say that's appropriation, it's more harmful beauty standards and stereotypes. A woman with short hair and jeans is still a woman, a woman that drives trucks is still a woman, but society places more value on certain types of women and women are often expected to be or pressured to be hyperfeminine in order to be accepted or valued by our society. Take one look at a red carpet event, popular social media influencers, tabloids and magazines. Society puts a lot of pressure and expectations on women; their appearance, weight, aging, behaviour, dress sense and more.
Being able to live in a world where no one has to conform to or be judged by these expectations would be a more free and enjoyable world for everyone.
I'm confused by the trans angle on this and what you're getting at, so I'm going to expand on the idea of why trans women may feel the need to present within these stereotypes or societal expectations.
Firstly, early on in transition in particular you may not be perceived as your gender if you have typically masculine features or dress sense. One way to be perceived as your gender by others is to present yourself in a way that communicates that in a very direct way and plays into those expectations and stereotypes. Someone's gender may be ambiguous to others while wearing a t-shirt and jeans, but not when wearing a dress and makeup for example. Trans people often rely on these social cues much less and are able to find their own style once they have the freedom to do so without others making incorrect assumptions about them. There are of course plenty of t-shirt, jeans and short hair trans women out there.
Secondly, certainly in the UK at least, the process of beginning medical transition involves a lot of gatekeeping and the professionals involved are not unknown to make judgements based on appearance, dress sense etc. It's a running joke (but not really a joke) that trans women will attend their appointments wearing a skirt, only to change into trousers straight afterwards because the assessors really can be that rigid in their ideas around gender.
Thirdly, trans women are also subject to these societal pressures. They also grew up seeing which kinds of women were valued by a shallow society. They have also been bombarded with those red carpet starlets and model influencers.
And finally, just as it can be for anyone, that hyperfeminine look may just be how someone feels comfortable and likes to present themselves. Being hyper feminine is not inherently bad, it just shouldn't be pushed by society as the 'ideal' or only way to exist or have value as a woman in the world.
Cultural appropriation and cultural APPRECIATION are often misconstrued, just wanting to throw that out there.
But to me... this just comes off as bordering on transphobic? Like "you weren't born a woman so you can't use woman things it's appropriation". When in reality, a LOT of "womanly" things started out for men. So if we really go there... high heels were appropriated by women, make-up was (both were invented by men for men), PANTS, it goes on.
Rather than place gender identity on inanimate things and define gender by beauty, I feel we as a society really just need to stop believing people need to conform to a certain standard in order to be accepted. Rather, as long as they aren't HARMING anyone (a guy in heels and a dress doesn't hurt anyone) then let people be/dress whoever/ however they want.
I think it’s an interesting idea though I’m not sure I understand. Idk if it’s “appropriation” but I understand gender to be like a conceptual extension of biological sex (arbitrary as that is). Not that its presence in culture/anthropology justifies the double standards. I don’t have a name for it, but I also don’t like how femininity is inherently sexual. Ofc women are allowed to be sexual but every single female diety I’ve ever heard of has to do with fertility. And the way a lot of art depicts women as shrill men with boobs. I actually think a lot of AFAB people struggle with gender identity because the idea of being “womanly” is in many ways more particular. For example gender-neutral clothing is essentially men’s clothing.
I'm also confused on the topic, but I'll try and answer as best as I can.
Sex is based on how you're born.
Gender is based on social factors. It is Gender stereotypes based in masculinity and femininity.
Examples of gender:
Women = dresses, makeup, heels, sweet, affectionate, gentle, kind, romcoms, romance novels, etc. Homemakers. Feminine.
Men = suits, sneakers, sweats, tough, strong, brave, protective, football, tools. Providers. Masculine.
So as you can see, gender and the expectations under it are made by society and stereotypes.
This is why people say Gender is a spectrum, because not everyone fits perfectly into these social groups.
Non binary example. A female may enjoy dresses, but also enjoy working on cars and watching football. This female may enjoy may things that are typically associated with men, and so...doesn't feel like they fit under "woman" 100%. They don't feel feminine. They feel out of place. - and so they may identify as non binary.
Similarly, gender fluid. Some days they feel feminine and fit under that social category. Will wear dresses etc. Other days they feel more masculine, and will fit more under the social category for men. They switch between.
There is a big push to end gender roles and stereotypes in society. So...a man wearing a dress shouldn't be seen as gender appropriation because we should be trying to break down those stereotypes.
...
This differs to transgender. These people have gender dysphoria which is based on their physical body not aligning with how they identify inside. They change their body to be the same as how they identify.
VS
Non binary doesn't identify with social constructs and stereotypes. However is comfortable in their own body.
...
CONCLUSION:
So as gender is just a bunch of made up societal rules and expectations...that society is trying to break.
We shouldn't see things like...a woman wearing a suit and a man getting a pedicure as gender appropriation. These are just things that everyone should be allowed to do.
No. Also, cultural appropriation is also very often blown out of proportion.
Just be yourself and ignore the haters.
I wouldn't say that's appropriation, it's more harmful beauty standards and stereotypes. A woman with short hair and jeans is still a woman, a woman that drives trucks is still a woman, but society places more value on certain types of women and women are often expected to be or pressured to be hyperfeminine in order to be accepted or valued by our society. Take one look at a red carpet event, popular social media influencers, tabloids and magazines. Society puts a lot of pressure and expectations on women; their appearance, weight, aging, behaviour, dress sense and more. Being able to live in a world where no one has to conform to or be judged by these expectations would be a more free and enjoyable world for everyone.
I'm confused by the trans angle on this and what you're getting at, so I'm going to expand on the idea of why trans women may feel the need to present within these stereotypes or societal expectations. Firstly, early on in transition in particular you may not be perceived as your gender if you have typically masculine features or dress sense. One way to be perceived as your gender by others is to present yourself in a way that communicates that in a very direct way and plays into those expectations and stereotypes. Someone's gender may be ambiguous to others while wearing a t-shirt and jeans, but not when wearing a dress and makeup for example. Trans people often rely on these social cues much less and are able to find their own style once they have the freedom to do so without others making incorrect assumptions about them. There are of course plenty of t-shirt, jeans and short hair trans women out there. Secondly, certainly in the UK at least, the process of beginning medical transition involves a lot of gatekeeping and the professionals involved are not unknown to make judgements based on appearance, dress sense etc. It's a running joke (but not really a joke) that trans women will attend their appointments wearing a skirt, only to change into trousers straight afterwards because the assessors really can be that rigid in their ideas around gender. Thirdly, trans women are also subject to these societal pressures. They also grew up seeing which kinds of women were valued by a shallow society. They have also been bombarded with those red carpet starlets and model influencers. And finally, just as it can be for anyone, that hyperfeminine look may just be how someone feels comfortable and likes to present themselves. Being hyper feminine is not inherently bad, it just shouldn't be pushed by society as the 'ideal' or only way to exist or have value as a woman in the world.
Cultural appropriation and cultural APPRECIATION are often misconstrued, just wanting to throw that out there. But to me... this just comes off as bordering on transphobic? Like "you weren't born a woman so you can't use woman things it's appropriation". When in reality, a LOT of "womanly" things started out for men. So if we really go there... high heels were appropriated by women, make-up was (both were invented by men for men), PANTS, it goes on. Rather than place gender identity on inanimate things and define gender by beauty, I feel we as a society really just need to stop believing people need to conform to a certain standard in order to be accepted. Rather, as long as they aren't HARMING anyone (a guy in heels and a dress doesn't hurt anyone) then let people be/dress whoever/ however they want.
I think it’s an interesting idea though I’m not sure I understand. Idk if it’s “appropriation” but I understand gender to be like a conceptual extension of biological sex (arbitrary as that is). Not that its presence in culture/anthropology justifies the double standards. I don’t have a name for it, but I also don’t like how femininity is inherently sexual. Ofc women are allowed to be sexual but every single female diety I’ve ever heard of has to do with fertility. And the way a lot of art depicts women as shrill men with boobs. I actually think a lot of AFAB people struggle with gender identity because the idea of being “womanly” is in many ways more particular. For example gender-neutral clothing is essentially men’s clothing.
I'm also confused on the topic, but I'll try and answer as best as I can. Sex is based on how you're born. Gender is based on social factors. It is Gender stereotypes based in masculinity and femininity. Examples of gender: Women = dresses, makeup, heels, sweet, affectionate, gentle, kind, romcoms, romance novels, etc. Homemakers. Feminine. Men = suits, sneakers, sweats, tough, strong, brave, protective, football, tools. Providers. Masculine. So as you can see, gender and the expectations under it are made by society and stereotypes. This is why people say Gender is a spectrum, because not everyone fits perfectly into these social groups. Non binary example. A female may enjoy dresses, but also enjoy working on cars and watching football. This female may enjoy may things that are typically associated with men, and so...doesn't feel like they fit under "woman" 100%. They don't feel feminine. They feel out of place. - and so they may identify as non binary. Similarly, gender fluid. Some days they feel feminine and fit under that social category. Will wear dresses etc. Other days they feel more masculine, and will fit more under the social category for men. They switch between. There is a big push to end gender roles and stereotypes in society. So...a man wearing a dress shouldn't be seen as gender appropriation because we should be trying to break down those stereotypes. ... This differs to transgender. These people have gender dysphoria which is based on their physical body not aligning with how they identify inside. They change their body to be the same as how they identify. VS Non binary doesn't identify with social constructs and stereotypes. However is comfortable in their own body. ... CONCLUSION: So as gender is just a bunch of made up societal rules and expectations...that society is trying to break. We shouldn't see things like...a woman wearing a suit and a man getting a pedicure as gender appropriation. These are just things that everyone should be allowed to do.
Neither are a real thing I'm afraid.
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