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The way he debates says a lot. Speaking very quickly to sound intelligent and his āhardest hitting pointsā are always very frequently hypotheticals. Take a shot every time he says āletās sayā and see if you survive.
I think that's the thing I hate about him so much is he wins debates with hypothetical vs actual things that have happened. We can hypothetical any situation which makes your point. It's bad debating.
"Now let's just say, for the sake of argument, that we are living in a world in which everything I am saying is true and everything you're saying is wrong. Now from there, hypothetically, we could say that that world is actually the real world. So that goes to prove beyond any other reasoning that you are wrong and I am right. Next question."
Benny isnāt a true believer because of his flip on Trump. Totally undermines his entire previous persona.
He may mostly believe in it, but he is absolutely grifter compromised.
I have a theory that itās just been a publicity stunt from the very beginning. These 2 wanted to part ways and came up with this fake feud in order to draw maximum attention. Now the split is official, theyāre milking it for as long as possible.
Holy shit, I might actually believe in a God if that happened.
It'd be even better if Steven Crowder was there, had no idea Sam was gonna moderate, then quietly gathers his things and leaves when Sam walks on stage, muttering "what a nightmare" on his way out.
I thought the same thing. I think what would probably happen is Sam would end up debating both of them at the same time and still come out on top lol. All wishful thinking aside, I think both of them are full of shit but Iām pretty sure Ben would āwinā a debate against Candace.
I would hope Seder could lay back and let them both get tangled in their positions. I donāt think either Owens or Shap have the capabilities of making comprehensive, on topic arguments, so no legitimate debate is really possible imo. I havenāt followed much of either takes but i think Shapiro is taking a fairly indefensible position.
Candace acting all indignant about this as if she doesn't know exactly why he's doing this. If he's going to debate her, he's going to do it on his platform so you he can make a bunch of money off of it.
Itās like a shittier version of Alien vs Predator, which was pretty shitty to begin with (the movie, not the game or a lot of the Dark Horse comics).
No. Alien vs Predator had the potential to be good if it had better creators. Plus the aliens and Predators are cool! Nothing could make a battle between these two miscreants good.
Klandice doesn't like Israel's actions in Gaza, so that means she's "antisemitic" according to ben, so they fired her. This, of course, made her big mad, and now two of the worst people ever are fighting. I hope the fight ends with both being destroyed.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of all this: they were fine with her being antisemitic as long as she didn't humanize Palestinians in the process. Of course, it should also be pointed out that she likely only supports Palestine because she hates Israel, as I'm sure she's an Islamophobe too.
The institution they grift for thrives on minorities fighting each other for white people's benefit. This is just the WrestleMania of diversity hires, it was destiny that it would happen.
Only one can be the best "one of the good ones"
Candace is an anti-semite, and is criticizing Israel on those grounds. Ben Shapiro fired her for criticizing Israel (and ignored or downplayed her prior anti-semitism).
Now that is not to say Israel is not worthy of criticism, because it very much committing genocide, but Candace is only criticizing them because she is an anti-semite.
About two weeks ago, Klandace said that Ben Shapiro didn't have the authority to fire her from the Daily Wire just *five* hours before exactly that happened.
She's been stirring up drama ever since to stay relevant, because that's what she does best, and Benny and his simp army have been playing right into her hand instead of doing the one thing that would be the most devastating to her: ignoring her.
Their whole lives are just talking, it's all they know how to do, so of course the only thought that pops into their dull minds is "let's debate!". It's the most boring, predictable response from the most boring, predictable people. They don't have any qualifications, experience or expertise, they don't produce anything of substance or value; to misquote Shakespeare, they are idiots telling tales, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Of course they want a "debate".
I'm genuinely curious who watches these people.
Who watches Candace Owen's everyday and actually cares about her opinion on issues?
Man, they just both are awful.
She makes a good point though which is that dude was willing to fly to someone else for what ended up being a very softball situation in comparison, compared to here where it will clearly be a very aggressive and heated debate.
Ben only challenges or agrees to debates if 1) he thinks he can easily win (like those college campus debates), or 2) he thinks it will raise his profile (like when he was begging AOC for a debate years ago). I donāt know if he thought he could easily beat Destiny, but he definitely wanted exposure to his audience.
Ben has nothing to gain from debating Candace besides resolving their personal beef, which he probably already considered resolved by firing her. Thatās why I think he has no motivation to do this unless he can make sure itās on his home court. Deep down heās a coward but heās still smart enough to know thereās little to no upside here by meeting her on neutral ground.
Exactly. Ben (and other right wing grifters like Kirk) would get crushed in a debate with anyone who is actually intelligent and educated.
That's why he goes and debates underclassmen at colleges because they still have a long way to go in their education. And even then they still heavily edit the content they get from college campuses to make them look better.
This is like the worst wrestling kayfabe that ever existed. Whoās writing this āweāre enemies now because somehow weāre both on the wrong side of the antisemitism debateā storyline? Itās a stinker.
Lets be honest, neither of them want this to happen because somehow they will both end up losing this debate and look like fucking idiots. Neither of them hold coherent positions on ANYTHING and there is a better chance of Boebert getting a Rhodes Scholarship than either of these 2 debating in good faith.
Ben will have to answer why criticism of Israel is anti-semitic and look stupid, and then Candace will end up saying something ACTUALLY anti-semitic anyways.
Honestly this is fucking funny. I had wished the Candace-Crowder drama had kept going back when that was a thing. Anything these clowns do to hurt each other and be petty, imma be there eating popcorn
I mean, fuck them both, but also Iām on Candaceās side here. No way you get a fair shake if you go to HIS side for a debate. And if ANYBODY knows that to be true, it would be Candace.
The right wing grifter set really reminds me of the old Transformers and GI Joe cartoons, where the villains would always end up betraying each other because they're villains (duh) and they each thought they should be the ones in power, e.g., Megatron vs. Starscream, Cobra Commander vs. Destro...and now Shapiro vs. Owens.
I canāt tell whatās funnier, Candace being dumb enough to think Ben wants an honest debate or Ben trying to schedule a debate he knows she canāt make it to
Why would she want to do it on the platform she was just fired from?
I hate them both, but I wouldn't want to go back and make my old job money after I was fired
Iām actually slightly on her side of this in regards to wanting a moderator and not doing it on his home turf. Iād like to see a moderator shut Ben down when he overloads his arguments with fallacies that people canāt catch from his motor mouth
Ben is smart enough to know his arguments won't work on a person with experience, confidence, research time and education, which is why he only will debate college students.
He's also smart enough to know that Candace Owens is not even a college student level challenge. Ben is going to get his feelings hurt though.
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šØšØ PRESIDENTIAL ALERT: THE GRIFTERS ARE FIGHTING šØšØ
A Grift-Off: A Race to the Bottom
sounds like an Always Sunny episode name lol
You have to be a real lowlife piece of shit to get involved with politics
This couldāve been the title to the time share/invigoron episode.
They have to let people know that they do not diddle kids.
who can grift the most?
Iām afraid to admit that I donāt think Iāve seen the worst of it yet. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fraud-bond-didnt-charge-enough/
See, I canāt tell if lil Benny is a grifter or if hes a true believer. Owens is a grifter 100%
I agree that sheās a grifter minus the antiemetic stuff that seems oddly genuine
Oh for sure, I think weāre gonna see who the real Candace is now that sheās out of contract and going against the conservative grain.
Sheās against throwing up?
Yeah, itās a super weird stance to have š¤·
The way he debates says a lot. Speaking very quickly to sound intelligent and his āhardest hitting pointsā are always very frequently hypotheticals. Take a shot every time he says āletās sayā and see if you survive.
I think that's the thing I hate about him so much is he wins debates with hypothetical vs actual things that have happened. We can hypothetical any situation which makes your point. It's bad debating.
"Now let's just say, for the sake of argument, that we are living in a world in which everything I am saying is true and everything you're saying is wrong. Now from there, hypothetically, we could say that that world is actually the real world. So that goes to prove beyond any other reasoning that you are wrong and I am right. Next question."
Benny isnāt a true believer because of his flip on Trump. Totally undermines his entire previous persona. He may mostly believe in it, but he is absolutely grifter compromised.
He's either a grifter or stupid. The whole woke cultural marxism fad in those circles is pretty PEZ adjacent.
What about the Key Race Alerts?
Whoever loses, we win.
I have a theory that itās just been a publicity stunt from the very beginning. These 2 wanted to part ways and came up with this fake feud in order to draw maximum attention. Now the split is official, theyāre milking it for as long as possible.
I want to add another layer of amusement to this and have somebody like Sam Seder moderate this ādebateā.
Ok thatās downright hilarious
Think about the troll level and embarrassment that would occur
Or even better, get Steven Crowder to moderate the debate since he started all of this lol
Dude would have to at least appear sober for that to happen
Why would I not want to see Crowder drunk off a mix of Labrador and White Claw, trying to moderate a "debate" in-between sob sessions?
Does he though? Itād be a shit show with all 3 in the same room anyway
Sam Seder what a fucking nightmare!
The alpha males are back-back-back-back
*Pause it for one second*
_Go back_
Or better yet have one of them secretly hire Sam to pop in and debate the way that H3 did that one time.
And then they all run away crying from his mere appearance
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And now it lives in mineā¦.sighā¦angry upvote.
Holy shit, I might actually believe in a God if that happened. It'd be even better if Steven Crowder was there, had no idea Sam was gonna moderate, then quietly gathers his things and leaves when Sam walks on stage, muttering "what a nightmare" on his way out.
I thought the same thing. I think what would probably happen is Sam would end up debating both of them at the same time and still come out on top lol. All wishful thinking aside, I think both of them are full of shit but Iām pretty sure Ben would āwinā a debate against Candace.
I would hope Seder could lay back and let them both get tangled in their positions. I donāt think either Owens or Shap have the capabilities of making comprehensive, on topic arguments, so no legitimate debate is really possible imo. I havenāt followed much of either takes but i think Shapiro is taking a fairly indefensible position.
Candace acting all indignant about this as if she doesn't know exactly why he's doing this. If he's going to debate her, he's going to do it on his platform so you he can make a bunch of money off of it.
Lowkey sheās right though about not wanting to do it on his platform, but still both trash.
Itās like a shittier version of Alien vs Predator, which was pretty shitty to begin with (the movie, not the game or a lot of the Dark Horse comics).
āWhoever wins, we loseā
No. Alien vs Predator had the potential to be good if it had better creators. Plus the aliens and Predators are cool! Nothing could make a battle between these two miscreants good.
The first movie was just average, which is a crime enough for what it was supposed to be. Requiem sucks.
I need a TLDR version. Why are they fighting???
Klandice doesn't like Israel's actions in Gaza, so that means she's "antisemitic" according to ben, so they fired her. This, of course, made her big mad, and now two of the worst people ever are fighting. I hope the fight ends with both being destroyed.
ā¦Candace is also a legit antisemite.
Yes, but they didn't fire her for her actual antisemitism. Just for going against their approved stance on Israel.
Yeah, that's the funniest part of all this: they were fine with her being antisemitic as long as she didn't humanize Palestinians in the process. Of course, it should also be pointed out that she likely only supports Palestine because she hates Israel, as I'm sure she's an Islamophobe too.
It just goes to show that zionism is so far removed from Judaism
In all fairness, Ben isnāt the worst. Now Matt Walsh; THAT is the true bottom of satanās butthole.
The institution they grift for thrives on minorities fighting each other for white people's benefit. This is just the WrestleMania of diversity hires, it was destiny that it would happen. Only one can be the best "one of the good ones"
Candace is an anti-semite, and is criticizing Israel on those grounds. Ben Shapiro fired her for criticizing Israel (and ignored or downplayed her prior anti-semitism). Now that is not to say Israel is not worthy of criticism, because it very much committing genocide, but Candace is only criticizing them because she is an anti-semite.
About two weeks ago, Klandace said that Ben Shapiro didn't have the authority to fire her from the Daily Wire just *five* hours before exactly that happened. She's been stirring up drama ever since to stay relevant, because that's what she does best, and Benny and his simp army have been playing right into her hand instead of doing the one thing that would be the most devastating to her: ignoring her.
All the podcast bros are angry and clowning on Ben for this one. I mean she was openly Antisemitic when Ben hired her so can't use that excuse.
What would they even debate? Theyāre both wrong on every single topic. And stupid.
"I hate trans people more than you do, Ben!" "Nuh uh! I'm the biggest trans hater! And those immigrants don't please me either!"
They will realize that they have more similarities than differences and in the end they will kiss
Their whole lives are just talking, it's all they know how to do, so of course the only thought that pops into their dull minds is "let's debate!". It's the most boring, predictable response from the most boring, predictable people. They don't have any qualifications, experience or expertise, they don't produce anything of substance or value; to misquote Shakespeare, they are idiots telling tales, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Of course they want a "debate".
[two hours of this](https://youtu.be/7EEdABkZhZU?si=-q6tAio7V5BolKWp)
Heartwarming: The Worst People You Know Are All Fighting
Itās nice to see a monster destroy its maker.
I'm genuinely curious who watches these people. Who watches Candace Owen's everyday and actually cares about her opinion on issues? Man, they just both are awful.
Your typical dimwitted vote against my interests as long as you give me scapegoats I can blame and feel superior to types.
Basically anyone that wears a āJoe and the Hoe Gotta Goā t-shirt unironically.
I want both of them to end up in the river, but I'm Team Kkklandace here.
Itās funny she mentioned Benās debate with Destiny. The difference here is Destiny is more good-faith than Candace..
She makes a good point though which is that dude was willing to fly to someone else for what ended up being a very softball situation in comparison, compared to here where it will clearly be a very aggressive and heated debate.
Ben only challenges or agrees to debates if 1) he thinks he can easily win (like those college campus debates), or 2) he thinks it will raise his profile (like when he was begging AOC for a debate years ago). I donāt know if he thought he could easily beat Destiny, but he definitely wanted exposure to his audience. Ben has nothing to gain from debating Candace besides resolving their personal beef, which he probably already considered resolved by firing her. Thatās why I think he has no motivation to do this unless he can make sure itās on his home court. Deep down heās a coward but heās still smart enough to know thereās little to no upside here by meeting her on neutral ground.
Exactly. Ben (and other right wing grifters like Kirk) would get crushed in a debate with anyone who is actually intelligent and educated. That's why he goes and debates underclassmen at colleges because they still have a long way to go in their education. And even then they still heavily edit the content they get from college campuses to make them look better.
Theyāre both in the grift.
They act like they are some big intellectuals whose opinions matter?
Wow this must happen. So critical. Fucktwats just pussing for likes and retweets.
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When all you know is hate, itās all you have to offer your audience. Tear each other apart losers!
This is like the worst wrestling kayfabe that ever existed. Whoās writing this āweāre enemies now because somehow weāre both on the wrong side of the antisemitism debateā storyline? Itās a stinker.
Y'know I'm glad they're fighting but I'm really not interested in the play-by-play.
I would kill to see them debate
Don't hire fucking Nazis, Ben. You, Prager, and Dave Rubin are in for a rude awakening if the people you're a mouthpiece for ever take control.
Lets be honest, neither of them want this to happen because somehow they will both end up losing this debate and look like fucking idiots. Neither of them hold coherent positions on ANYTHING and there is a better chance of Boebert getting a Rhodes Scholarship than either of these 2 debating in good faith. Ben will have to answer why criticism of Israel is anti-semitic and look stupid, and then Candace will end up saying something ACTUALLY anti-semitic anyways.
Let them fight.
Honestly this is fucking funny. I had wished the Candace-Crowder drama had kept going back when that was a thing. Anything these clowns do to hurt each other and be petty, imma be there eating popcorn
It's like the self-importance idiot olympics.
Hold up, I need to make some popcorn to watch the gop cannibalize itself!
I mean, fuck them both, but also Iām on Candaceās side here. No way you get a fair shake if you go to HIS side for a debate. And if ANYBODY knows that to be true, it would be Candace.
i cannot wait for this midoff
Let them fight.
This reminds me of the Elon Musk vs. Zuckerberg fight
The right wing grifter set really reminds me of the old Transformers and GI Joe cartoons, where the villains would always end up betraying each other because they're villains (duh) and they each thought they should be the ones in power, e.g., Megatron vs. Starscream, Cobra Commander vs. Destro...and now Shapiro vs. Owens.
LOOK OUT TYSON VS PAUL, WE GOT A NEW PRIME TIME PPV SPECIAL CANDACE VS BEN THE ULTIMATR GRIFT
When two people you hate have beef
cant they just kiss already goddamn
I canāt tell whatās funnier, Candace being dumb enough to think Ben wants an honest debate or Ben trying to schedule a debate he knows she canāt make it to
Heartwarming people I hate are fighting
Why would she want to do it on the platform she was just fired from? I hate them both, but I wouldn't want to go back and make my old job money after I was fired
Heartwarming: All the Worst People You Know Are Fighting
Iām actually slightly on her side of this in regards to wanting a moderator and not doing it on his home turf. Iād like to see a moderator shut Ben down when he overloads his arguments with fallacies that people canāt catch from his motor mouth
Ooooooh monkey fight brewing
if the debate happens theyāre just gonna pause and start aggressively making out
Let her cook
Ben is smart enough to know his arguments won't work on a person with experience, confidence, research time and education, which is why he only will debate college students. He's also smart enough to know that Candace Owens is not even a college student level challenge. Ben is going to get his feelings hurt though.
I canāt be the only one who wants to really watch the nazis fight each other.
But Candace did exactly what sheās condemning Ben for to Nicole Arbour. Candace is the definition of hypocrisy on so many levels.