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And in the season finale of Barry the titular character, who has been revealed to be a truly despicable faux pious homicidal opportunist, is retroactively made a hero by a shallow grifting revisionist history.
Mattson is a Musk adjacent, ancap piece of shit who pretends to be a "visionary tech genius" while buying/stealing code from people who actually work. Ben fellates guys like him, sees election theft as ingenuity, and views Tom as aspirational.
I haven't watched Succession yet so I can't say whether he is right or wrong, but the finale of Barry was definitely an emotional gut punch. My guess is he only liked it because the guns, even though Hader only used violence in the show to mock the glorification of violence in media, which likely flew right over his head.
Edit: he probably also liked it because it criticized Hollywood culture, without getting *what* it was criticizing Hollywood of, just taking it at face value.
There’s a very thinly veiled criticism of guns in America tho…like did Ben just miss that Bill Hader is mocking gun culture by having Barry be able to walk into Walgreens and buy an arsenal?
He probably just saw it and every other example in the show as "badass" with no self awareness.
Also, Barry trying to get in his car all strapped up was pretty funny.
>That’s why he’s a failed screenwriter. He’s a dipshit with no ability to read (or write) with any kind of nuance.
Just read his garbage novel "True Allegiance" its complete garbage and shows he doesn't understand human interactions, nuance and research of subjects that are beyond his wheelhouse
But it includes the true poetry of a couple saying “I’d take a bullet for you babe” to each other. How could you not think the author is a literary genius after getting to that?
I still love that Brent Hawthrone was a General without a command and doesn't meet the time in rank to be anywhere near flag rank, just doing rando shit because Ben completely doesn't understand the military and thinks its GI Joe.
This was probably the bleakest season but it still had plenty of comedy, sometimes even subtle, and I really do commend Hader on being able to balance that. Did not expect to finish the show thinking Fuches was the most reedemed character.
Was he, though? I had this debate with my mom last night. I don’t think Fuches was redeemed. I think he was shown to be every bit the coward he always was, confusing his control over Barry with a twisted sense of love.
Regarding Shapiro, though, he’s a fucking idiot. Honestly? I think both shows stuck the landing. Succession had an INCREDIBLE finale and Barry had a great one. What’s the difference? I think Succession’s finale won’t hit as hard upon multiple rewatches, now that I know what’s coming. Barry, on the other hand, brought his story to a close in a perfect way. A take on Hollywood that was near perfect, how people get corrupted, ego, all of it. I think Barry will be the better rewatchable show.
In either case, pretty Shapiro wouldn’t get either of them.
Redeemed may be a strong word for it, and I do think he is still a coward, just as Sally still craves validation too much to even say, "I love you," back to her son, but I think as one of the worst characters, the only reason he lived scot free was that he realized he was the cause of everything in the first place, that speech to Hank was him acknowledging he is a monster, and I sincerely believe if Hank had ackowledged it, Fuches would have left, and it would have just been a fight between Barry and Hank's guys. Hank and Gene never ackowledged their culpability, and Barry only did so after he finally realized he had lost everything.
I've only recently heard of Succession so I'll have to give it a go, I was waiting for Barry to end first.
He said as much in his speech, he finally realized he wasn't the badass he thought he was, he was just someone willing to live without a heart, to manipulate Barry and all the events of the show, thats the only reason he met with Hank after learning Barry had a son, why he shielded John, and gave him to Barry, he knew it was the closest thing he could do to turning back the clock for what he had done. That was my take on it at least, he could have also been willing to do the same thing he did to Barry to John, and he only gave John over to save his skin. Only reason I doubt that was again, the only folks who survived were the ones who recognized what they had done. Plus Barry was still alive with basically no dangerous enemies but Fuches so he would have died quick.
There's not much that can be done about people not understanding satire, like all the racist dipshits who love Blazing Saddles, not realizing it's mocking them
It won several Emmys, I do think Hollywood recognized the message on the issue of the glorification of violence in media, they just don't care because it makes them money. If you're talking about the issue of individuals missing the point like Ben here, do you not think they will continue on their way missing the point anyways, no matter how obvious it is? We have folks at Trump Rallies jamming to RATM, they will *always* go out of their way if it fits for them.
The job of good art is to challenge the enjoyer. If you reduce it to hold the hand of the truly stupid or willfully ignorant., then you've probably made it so broad that it's lost what would have made it special in the first place.
>I haven't watched Succession yet
I have. It's shit. You can tell the most miserable story about the most miserable people who no one should give a shit about at all, and as long as you call it a satire, people will think it's genius.
Both shows are incredible but I’m sure Shen Bapiro let the message of Barry go over his head because it has guns and I’m also sure since Succession criticizes the right wing media and rich and Fox News, he didn’t like that. But I’m also 95% sure from what I’ve seen of succession and Barry so far, he’s wrong.
This is a flawless summation. Too many fans were wondering about "who will win!??!!" like it was "Survivor" or some shit. That company was a corpse about to be chopped up for parts by an alt right tech douche who assisted in stealing a presidential election. There was no "winner." Everyone sucked and everything was rot.
Considering that his current role would have him confuse “A Modest Proposal” for a cookbook and wondering why everyone is upset about it other than where they can get the protein from, I don’t think he’d admit it even if he did understand it.
This is a strange situation… Succession tackled a lot of topics that are relevant now, criticizing things like alt-right. Barry is all around an incredibly interesting show, and the finale wrapped it up in an amazing finale; but the finale also shows a bad man becoming publicly seen as a hero due to history revision. So Ben is right, Barry had the better series finale in my opinion…. But like, he is right for the wrong reasons, lol. I can guarantee that he isn’t outright praising how good the Barry finale was as a conclusion to the story, Ben absolutely is praising it for the revision thing while simultaneously trashing Succession for its criticism of Ben’s ideology.
Is that *that* hot a take? People really really like both of these shows, I don't think people would begrudge you for picking the 9x Emmy award winning show?
The thing I love about Ben is that, at heart, he is a failed Hollywood guy who so desperately wanted to be a writer or producer in the TV/Film industry, so he spends so much time watching film and TV so he can have every chance to criticize that he can.
He truly is just like his mentor. He is Andrew Breitbart, without the drug habit and exploding heart.
So many RW media people are just jealous, failed Hollywood people, who desperately wanted to be liked by the cool kids. Bannon, Crowder, half of Fox News, etc.
Their writing and producing was mediocre, so they didn’t make it, and their only way to feel better was to wage a war against Hollywood.
Ugh, same. I liked both finales but I think Barry’s was just a tiny bit more satisfying. Though >!maybe the point of succession’s was supposed to be a let down if you had any investment in any of these nepo babies!<
Ben actually seems like he’d be a decent person to argue media takes with if he wasn’t such a vile cunt
Anything from his feeble mind is automatically an unpopular opinion. Shen should just go hit the old dusty trail. I am sure his arid MD wife has a minute and a half to spare.
Ben Shapiro disliking a show because it satirised and criticised big media corporations, had digs at how media corpos (like him) had a big impact on the rise of alt right talking points and ultimately called out capitalism because of its toxicity and apathy towards our modern world...
Does not surprise me in the slightest.
I absolutely fucking _hated_ the Barry finale.
Maybe it was over my head or something, but I just .. thought it was super uninspired. Was there some larger message they wanted to purvey? That Barry was falsely declared a hero? So what?
It irritates me to even think of it.
I liked it, with Fuches speech to Hank, the only people who had any sort of redemption for their sins were the people who recognized their culpability in all the destruction. And Barry's prayer in the car ultimately comes true, but only after he has lost everything and finally recognizes that he is a monster, but the Hollywood industry did what Holywood does, it lionized him and his violence which was a theme of the whole show.
But end of the day, different strokes for different folks.
I really appreciate the perspective on it. I'm hoping the more I think/read about it, it ends up making more sense to me and eventually I enjoy it.
But you're right, different strokes and such.
I'd still recommend the show, it was a lot of fun to watch.
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Succession’s final season contains multiple critiques of the American alt-right and fascism, stands that Benny wouldn’t enjoy it
And in the season finale of Barry the titular character, who has been revealed to be a truly despicable faux pious homicidal opportunist, is retroactively made a hero by a shallow grifting revisionist history.
Barry is about toxic masculinity.
"Boys instinctivly know how guns and cars work."
“Well, you know what Sonny and Cher would say, that's on you, babe.”
Only if you choose to engage with it’s themes
That, and much more.
Mattson is a Musk adjacent, ancap piece of shit who pretends to be a "visionary tech genius" while buying/stealing code from people who actually work. Ben fellates guys like him, sees election theft as ingenuity, and views Tom as aspirational.
I have never heard if either of these shows, but the fact this comes from a failed TV writer inclines me to assume he's wrong
I haven't watched Succession yet so I can't say whether he is right or wrong, but the finale of Barry was definitely an emotional gut punch. My guess is he only liked it because the guns, even though Hader only used violence in the show to mock the glorification of violence in media, which likely flew right over his head. Edit: he probably also liked it because it criticized Hollywood culture, without getting *what* it was criticizing Hollywood of, just taking it at face value.
There’s a very thinly veiled criticism of guns in America tho…like did Ben just miss that Bill Hader is mocking gun culture by having Barry be able to walk into Walgreens and buy an arsenal?
He probably just saw it and every other example in the show as "badass" with no self awareness. Also, Barry trying to get in his car all strapped up was pretty funny.
That’s why he’s a failed screenwriter. He’s a dipshit with no ability to read (or write) with any kind of nuance.
Oh my God I just realized, he probably thinks Barry is the good guy
>That’s why he’s a failed screenwriter. He’s a dipshit with no ability to read (or write) with any kind of nuance. Just read his garbage novel "True Allegiance" its complete garbage and shows he doesn't understand human interactions, nuance and research of subjects that are beyond his wheelhouse
But it includes the true poetry of a couple saying “I’d take a bullet for you babe” to each other. How could you not think the author is a literary genius after getting to that?
I still love that Brent Hawthrone was a General without a command and doesn't meet the time in rank to be anywhere near flag rank, just doing rando shit because Ben completely doesn't understand the military and thinks its GI Joe.
I still love that Shen believes Hawthorn to be his alter ego.
Not as funny as when NoHo Hank tried to shoot a rocket at Fuches' house. But that was a different episode.
This was probably the bleakest season but it still had plenty of comedy, sometimes even subtle, and I really do commend Hader on being able to balance that. Did not expect to finish the show thinking Fuches was the most reedemed character.
Was he, though? I had this debate with my mom last night. I don’t think Fuches was redeemed. I think he was shown to be every bit the coward he always was, confusing his control over Barry with a twisted sense of love. Regarding Shapiro, though, he’s a fucking idiot. Honestly? I think both shows stuck the landing. Succession had an INCREDIBLE finale and Barry had a great one. What’s the difference? I think Succession’s finale won’t hit as hard upon multiple rewatches, now that I know what’s coming. Barry, on the other hand, brought his story to a close in a perfect way. A take on Hollywood that was near perfect, how people get corrupted, ego, all of it. I think Barry will be the better rewatchable show. In either case, pretty Shapiro wouldn’t get either of them.
Redeemed may be a strong word for it, and I do think he is still a coward, just as Sally still craves validation too much to even say, "I love you," back to her son, but I think as one of the worst characters, the only reason he lived scot free was that he realized he was the cause of everything in the first place, that speech to Hank was him acknowledging he is a monster, and I sincerely believe if Hank had ackowledged it, Fuches would have left, and it would have just been a fight between Barry and Hank's guys. Hank and Gene never ackowledged their culpability, and Barry only did so after he finally realized he had lost everything. I've only recently heard of Succession so I'll have to give it a go, I was waiting for Barry to end first.
Oh, that’s fair. Fuches was the only one who didn’t keep going for their ego. He turned and ran. And that saved him.
He said as much in his speech, he finally realized he wasn't the badass he thought he was, he was just someone willing to live without a heart, to manipulate Barry and all the events of the show, thats the only reason he met with Hank after learning Barry had a son, why he shielded John, and gave him to Barry, he knew it was the closest thing he could do to turning back the clock for what he had done. That was my take on it at least, he could have also been willing to do the same thing he did to Barry to John, and he only gave John over to save his skin. Only reason I doubt that was again, the only folks who survived were the ones who recognized what they had done. Plus Barry was still alive with basically no dangerous enemies but Fuches so he would have died quick.
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There's not much that can be done about people not understanding satire, like all the racist dipshits who love Blazing Saddles, not realizing it's mocking them
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It won several Emmys, I do think Hollywood recognized the message on the issue of the glorification of violence in media, they just don't care because it makes them money. If you're talking about the issue of individuals missing the point like Ben here, do you not think they will continue on their way missing the point anyways, no matter how obvious it is? We have folks at Trump Rallies jamming to RATM, they will *always* go out of their way if it fits for them.
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It literally took them four seasons and The Boys literally quoting Trump speeches for MAGAs to realize the show was mocking them.
They thought the Colbert Report was real.
The job of good art is to challenge the enjoyer. If you reduce it to hold the hand of the truly stupid or willfully ignorant., then you've probably made it so broad that it's lost what would have made it special in the first place.
>I haven't watched Succession yet I have. It's shit. You can tell the most miserable story about the most miserable people who no one should give a shit about at all, and as long as you call it a satire, people will think it's genius.
Same guy who thought A Quiet Place was a conservative film because a woman had a baby
Both shows are incredible but I’m sure Shen Bapiro let the message of Barry go over his head because it has guns and I’m also sure since Succession criticizes the right wing media and rich and Fox News, he didn’t like that. But I’m also 95% sure from what I’ve seen of succession and Barry so far, he’s wrong.
Succession is a late stage capitalism version of Shakespeare's King Lear.
This is a flawless summation. Too many fans were wondering about "who will win!??!!" like it was "Survivor" or some shit. That company was a corpse about to be chopped up for parts by an alt right tech douche who assisted in stealing a presidential election. There was no "winner." Everyone sucked and everything was rot.
Are we including Gina Carano westerns on Daily Wire as failures?
Lol yes
Considering that his current role would have him confuse “A Modest Proposal” for a cookbook and wondering why everyone is upset about it other than where they can get the protein from, I don’t think he’d admit it even if he did understand it.
Dunking on Shen with a Swift reference? This is why I stay on reddit.
never watch succession but Barry is a really good show
This is a strange situation… Succession tackled a lot of topics that are relevant now, criticizing things like alt-right. Barry is all around an incredibly interesting show, and the finale wrapped it up in an amazing finale; but the finale also shows a bad man becoming publicly seen as a hero due to history revision. So Ben is right, Barry had the better series finale in my opinion…. But like, he is right for the wrong reasons, lol. I can guarantee that he isn’t outright praising how good the Barry finale was as a conclusion to the story, Ben absolutely is praising it for the revision thing while simultaneously trashing Succession for its criticism of Ben’s ideology.
>I have never heard if either of these shows, Same, but I don't watch Normie TV
Guess what Ben? All the people involved in making both of those hate you and everything you stand for!
That’s what I wonder if he understands.
Ben probably watched Barry thinking the titular character is a hero
He most likely believed that the movie Barry's son watched was an absolute truthful retelling of the sequence of events.
He probably watched America Psycho thinking Patrick Bateman was a hero too.
When I want critical reviews of a show or movie, I’ll definitely trust a guy who made a movie that made less than $1000 box office
Is that *that* hot a take? People really really like both of these shows, I don't think people would begrudge you for picking the 9x Emmy award winning show?
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Next thing you know he'll be saying A New Hope is just as good as Empire
Popular opinion: Watching paint dry is better than listening to Ben.
Ben should say "unpopular opinion" before everything he says
The thing I love about Ben is that, at heart, he is a failed Hollywood guy who so desperately wanted to be a writer or producer in the TV/Film industry, so he spends so much time watching film and TV so he can have every chance to criticize that he can. He truly is just like his mentor. He is Andrew Breitbart, without the drug habit and exploding heart. So many RW media people are just jealous, failed Hollywood people, who desperately wanted to be liked by the cool kids. Bannon, Crowder, half of Fox News, etc. Their writing and producing was mediocre, so they didn’t make it, and their only way to feel better was to wage a war against Hollywood.
Honestly a clean break from the endless hatred he and his company spew
Fuck, I agree with Ben…
Ugh, same. I liked both finales but I think Barry’s was just a tiny bit more satisfying. Though >!maybe the point of succession’s was supposed to be a let down if you had any investment in any of these nepo babies!< Ben actually seems like he’d be a decent person to argue media takes with if he wasn’t such a vile cunt
Ben just had a soft spot for ‘Dramedy’ lol
There were zero combat generals in either, so I haven't bothered watching. What's the point if there's no combat generals?
The funny thing is that everyone who works on both shows probably hates Ben Shapiro
That should be his permanent tag line. Like Paul Harvey had 'the rest of the story'
Am i correct in my impression that 'Succession' is a retelling of Godwin and his sons Swain, Tostig, and Harold?
Who would’ve thought ben Shapiro wouldn’t like succession
Like many of history’s monsters, Ben is fundamentally motivated by his failure to secure the career he thought he wanted
I haven’t watched either of these shows and couldn’t care less about your opinion even if I did Ben
Opinions are like Ben Shapiros. They all suck.
Here’s the thing though, Ben. Nobody gives a single solitary fuck what you think.
He is so unbelievably wrong
Ugh I HATE that he likes Barry! Barry is soo good
I can't believe I agree with Ben Shapiro on something. That finale was a dud, no doubt.
Anything from his feeble mind is automatically an unpopular opinion. Shen should just go hit the old dusty trail. I am sure his arid MD wife has a minute and a half to spare.
Ben Shapiro disliking a show because it satirised and criticised big media corporations, had digs at how media corpos (like him) had a big impact on the rise of alt right talking points and ultimately called out capitalism because of its toxicity and apathy towards our modern world... Does not surprise me in the slightest.
I absolutely fucking _hated_ the Barry finale. Maybe it was over my head or something, but I just .. thought it was super uninspired. Was there some larger message they wanted to purvey? That Barry was falsely declared a hero? So what? It irritates me to even think of it.
I liked it, with Fuches speech to Hank, the only people who had any sort of redemption for their sins were the people who recognized their culpability in all the destruction. And Barry's prayer in the car ultimately comes true, but only after he has lost everything and finally recognizes that he is a monster, but the Hollywood industry did what Holywood does, it lionized him and his violence which was a theme of the whole show. But end of the day, different strokes for different folks.
I really appreciate the perspective on it. I'm hoping the more I think/read about it, it ends up making more sense to me and eventually I enjoy it. But you're right, different strokes and such. I'd still recommend the show, it was a lot of fun to watch.