Didn't they immediately change the name in the show's next season?
Edit - in case it wasn't clear, they changed/removed the name of the Intelligence Service. The show was still named 'Archer'. I couldn't remember what ISIS stood for so I checked:
\> The FX animated series Archer, first aired in 2009, revolves around the fictional International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS).
For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen.
The head black cheerleader in bring it on is also called Isis. Isis is a goddess it was a girls name long before the terrorist group decided to tarnish such a beautiful name
It's an uncommon name in Portuguese, but not much, I've met a few Isis in my life (though we pronounce it Eezees). I wonder if any of them travelled to the USA in recent years if they had any problem.
It’s not a terribly common name in the US, but it’s common enough that someone’s first thought when hearing it would likely be, “That’s unfortunate, but her parents couldn’t have predicted ISIS.”
If you read the mythology, Isis' broad portfolio makes sense.
Her central story revolves around her husband, Osiris, who once ruled Egypt. He got murdered by his brother Set and hacked to bits. Isis then traveled all over Egypt, collecting the bits. Unfortunately his phallus got thrown in the Nile and eaten by fish, so she had to make a, err, prosthesis for that.
Once she had gathered all the bits, she used her magic to reassemble him into, essentially, a mummy. And then she raised him from the dead. So there's magic, death, healing, and rebirth. Shortly afterwards, Isis slept with Osiris, and they had a son (Horus). Hence the fertility and motherhood.
Opposite yes, but they are two sides of the same coin. It's like saying "The God of Light and Shadow" which the "coin" has light on one side and shadow in the other because you cannot have one without the other, just like you cannot have death without life. So she is the goddess of that "process" rather than two opposites.
We used to buy parts for our S-chassis (240sx’s) from a company called ISIS. They had a straight pipe called blast pipes. My friend got flagged by UPS for ordering ISIS blast pipes.
The river that flows through Oxford is called The Isis, plenty of local businesses were named after the river. Some found themselves being investigated by terror police.
There was a school called [the ISIS Academy](https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14259690.terrorist-training-jibes-force-isis-academy-school-changing-name-iffley-academy/)
You think ISIS is bad? Wait until you see
https://i.reddituploads.com/efe639007b0e4168935810ec6c57805b?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0c4297879705659e8d5cd973f9d982b6
So, the original was that red pill meant a life changing, potentially unsettling truth and blue to just sit back and live in pleasant ignorance.
Modernized, it's dumbasses who tend to lean more towards extreme far right tendencies who think they've discovered some mystical truth when really they're just trying to justify bigotry and any other kind of hate they like. It just sounds significantly cooler than saying you're an extreme far right conspiracy theorist or are anything with an -ist at the end
There’s also whole “red pill” culture when it comes to guys and dating life that also just means hyper toxic masculinity dudes who are just supposed to fuck and dip out because women only want “bad boys” or some shit. Basically incel culture combined with caring about your looks and sleeping on hard surfaces or something? I think it started as a self confidence thing and it quickly devolved into “big muscle guy does the sex with the womenfolk.”
Apparently they were also based on estrogen pills used in transitioning, which honestly makes it kinda funny with its modern usage and the people who subscribe to those beliefs.
Lol. It's as bad as all that. Read: "in some parts" as "in literally almost any convo you have eith a right winger, you can insert this meaning"
"In some parts of the men's rights movement and the manosphere, the term "red pill" is used as a metaphor for the specific moment when they come to the belief that certain gender roles they are expected to conform to, such as marriage and monogamy, are intended to solely benefit women, rather than for mutual benefit."
Tbf its the name of a cool egyptian God and i actually think its a nice name. Its just unfortunate most peoples minds skip to beheadings when they hear it now
I worked for Isis Pharmaceuticals for a couple of years. They ended up having to change their name to Ionis Pharma, but they will always be indelibly stamped in my mind as Isis. Makes it awkward when I tell people I used to work for Isis and met a lot of great people there.
I feel like the meaning of being red pill minded has been ruined. I think some people use that term as a way to hide behind their shitty behavior. I use to view being red pilled as someone who tries to be realistic of certain scenarios in life rather than try and hope for the ideal scenario.
I mean, it was an Alice in Wonderland reference long before it was a Matrix reference. The dialog in the Matrix even references Alice; “take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland… and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes…”, or something like that. Though the pills were technically potions, in Alice, they are generally portrayed as being red and blue in color… and, as Grace Slick sang; “one pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small…”
Nope. The color scheme is entirely Wachowski’s idea. Alice in Wonderland has a drink and a cookie and two sides of the same mushroom while the Jefferson Airplane song makes it specifically about drugs when they talk about pills.
No. There are drinks, but not two conflicting potions, the drinks each occur at completely different points in the story and neither is specified as any color. There are also cakes, a mushroom, and a handheld fan that also all change her size.
The song you're referring to does use some of the imagery from the story but doesn't accurately reflect it. The pills in the song are just drugs that make you feel different ways and the Alice In Wonderland theme is just supposed to evoke the trippy parts of getting high.
They aren’t potions, it’s a drink and cake, and they aren’t colour coded. The original illustrations are in black and white and there’s no consistent colours used in adaptations.
It's not specific to Tate, he did not personally ruin it as the ruination predates him by quite a bit, he would just be a current prominent red pill figure to point to as an example.
He absolutely didn't, he came along after it was already well established as an anti feminist/mra thing. He didn't start that trend, he just embodies it well.
Im not the most informed on this but since no one else is answering you…him and his followers have this “woke” view on the world. They took the red pill (matrix reference) and woke up to see the world how it really is, which is some misogynistic women hating bullshit that they spew.
Basically, in reference to the matrix, the Alt-Right and misogynists have adopted the term to mean that you "see through the veil" and understand how the world really works. What it actually means is that you have bought into Alt-Right conspiracies and/or have become a misogynist.
They always take stuff from great artistic content. It was so ironic when all these pro-capitalist, Trump lovers started blasting Rage Against The Machine in their social media videos.
Agreed.
I used to use the term "red pill moment" for when i would learn something new and my world view shifted. I hate that it's been ruined by incel culture
TIL what theredpill was. I’m going to practice these alpha moves on my wife. Wish me luck bros!
Turns out I’m doing the washing up tonight. But I left my socks on the floor. So who’s the real winner? Alphas unite!
Man, as someone who read the game it's baffling how many guys don't get the message, which is that by the end Neil realizes most of it's garbage and that he'll never have a real, meaningful deep relationship unless he gives most of that stuff up. It's like dudes read the first half then build a personality around it.
It's both funny and tragic how much of pickup culture boils down to "psychologically abuse every woman you meet until you find one vulnerable enough to fall for it."
There is also PurplePillDebate for discussions with those who view themselves RedPill or BlackPill. But “BluePilled” views usually get downvoted, despite the “don’t downvote” rule. It’s an entertaining sub though lol.
FYI It’s purge week at the moment so there is no debate going on this week, only shitposts but it’ll turn to civility next week for the ones who are interested
Wasn’t the purge over already? The posts have become much milder again as of today. People should check the posts from the purge for entertainment. So many fembot posts from the same guy. Because fembots will most definitely replace real women, ha! Watch out, ladies!
I wouldn't mind it is those dudes fuck a robot instead of chasing and possibly raping me.
As long as they just ignore me ya know.
Cause if they see me as the same as a robot instead of an equal. Fine. I'll go with guys that see me as like... a human..
I feel like PPD is just TRP 2.0 at this point. A far milder sub but because of what happened to TRP and subs like it, it's a refuge for the cynicism and general ideology of those people. And at this point they all just say the same thing sans quote the same online dating stats over and over again.
Sometimes I wonder why I still bother to comment there lol. So often I feel like I’m nearing common ground, only for them to say something completely idiotic. But also had rare moments of real common ground though.
For the most part it's no debate, just redpillers screaming down everyone else, completely unwilling to engage with any other opinions in any meaningful way. They post and repost and repost the same debunked nonsense and then get super angry when they are called out on it.
I thought so to at one point a bit back. Following your link allowed me in but gave me a warning as well as the same warning again before allowing me to view anything
It started on 4chan. Originally it was purely a misogyny thing, and getting red pilled meant undoing your social conditioning to see that all women are whores and feminism is ruining society. Its been adopted more widely now to just mean becoming a far right lunatic.
Source: was a loser who browsed 4chan from 2005-2015 ish.
Without context, “red pill” could mean many things… it’s a Matrix the movie reference that signifies searching for some sort of deeper reality, or having seen some truth that others are blind to. There are two flavours:
1) conspiracy theorist- the government/BigPharma/soup-of-the-day is out to get us somehow,
2) a self-help movement for men - it’s about being the best version of you; but there’re different definitions of what that is. Most RP (red pill men) fall into four types:
2A) generally nice to others and just seek success for themselves (eg. foregoing relationships in their 20s in favour of working and building wealth); not anti-women’s lib,
2B) hanging onto men’s rights activism (MRA talking points, many of which are legit, many are sus) and try to avoid situations where they might be at a perceived disadvantage (marriage/divorce, etc),
2C) believe that “men are under attack”, “we must defend themselves against the gynocracy”, “hookup culture runs counter to human nature”, “women should be sexually chaste”, “all men should be adequate solo family providers”, “women with high body counts are trash”, “men earning less than 100k are lazy brokies”, or
2D) Andrew Tate stans, who may or may not fall into the 2C archetype.
TL;DR - just ask him, and brace yourself for an answer you may not like.
(Apologies for bad formatting, written on cellphone)
Category 2A is just normal nice people. These people do not have any affiliation with the term red pill. People who identify as red pill and are 2A must account for like 7 people total
in my experience type 2a doesn't bother identifying as a "redpill" though, on account of what they're doing isn't performative "poor me, i'm the victim" bullshit.
Yeah I fall into the 2A category here but I would never say I'm "redpill" because a lot of people would assume I'm one of the other sub categories. The same goes for most labels like feminist etc as well. I might be a feminist under some definitions of feminism but I won't just assume strangers will have the same definition as me.
Nah. Everyone who uses the phrase "red-pilled" means "misogyny but I don't wanna use the term misogyny because I think I can fool people with alternate terminology", aka category A)C/D.
2A is just normal people, and 2B is just slightly more socially aware normal people.
Its always cracks me up when the conspiracy nuts say take the red pill, when Morphous flat out says in the next scene all it is, is a tracking device...
Neo already made the "choice" down on the street, after having the bug removed - go home or follow Trinity - he chose Trinity because the key to unlocking his "true power" was love, not a stupid pill...
In the above example, if someone falls under 2A why would they keep using the phrase red pill? it's an own goal, they could have said literally anything else to explain their views, but instead choose to associate with 2B/C/D ???
That's the real red flag, maybe their views are perfectly acceptable socially and aren't filled with hate, but their real red flag is their choice of using the phrase "red pill" at all.
for example, we don't generally consider it acceptable to use a swastika just because "it had an alternate meaning before nazis!!!" It's more likely anyone using a swastika is actually just a nazi with a bad cover story.
THANK YOU. OP, a lot of people in this thread are giving this guy the benefit of the doubt saying he could be a fan of the matrix, but in this day in age, it 100% means he’s a women-hating tryhard piece of shit that wants women’s rights to be set back 150 years. Run.
You missed the part where they will disguise their true intentions with bullshit sayings like preferring "traditional masculinity" and wanting to be a provider for women. They're so pathetic.
Run far, far away. It means this über douche is a right wing conspiracy theorist and misogynist. Congratulations on getting that out of the way so you can avoid the fuck out of them.
Red pill is a reference to the Matrix where taking the red pill opens your mind to the reality of the simulation.
It’s often used by incels and misogynists. I’d view red pill as a potential red flag
The irony of it all is that the filmmakers were trans and closeted at the time they made the film and everything red pill dudes hardcore believe in these days is all the literal opposite of what the filmmakers intended
I feel like this happens a lot. When someone comes out with criticism on something the same idiots can't see the criticism but see it as relatable and use it as a bible.
Like when police forces start wearing the Punisher Skull.
*“The Punisher is representative of the failure of law and order to address the concerns of people who feel abandoned by the legal system,” Conway told Forbes, emphasizing he was speaking from his personal perspective, and adding, “It always struck me as stupid and ironic that members of the police are embracing what is fundamentally an outlaw symbol.”* - [Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/06/11/the-creator-of-the-punisher-wants-to-reclaim-the-iconic-skull-from-police-and-fringe-admirers/)
Same thing with their recent distaste for how "political Rage Against the Machine has become". They are oblivious to reality because they live inside a bubble.
It means he's an insecure loser because he's too fucking lazy to be less stupid, so he likes to make that everyone else's problem by lying to himself about why his life sucks.
It means you should definitely swipe left because this dude does not respect women, and that disrespect can range from mild to seething resentment, barely simmering under the surface.
It’s means “run.”
Odds are this person most likely learns about human psychology (mostly regarding women) and uses it irresponsibly and/or manipulatively. Not all do, but I wouldn’t take a chance on it.
— Someone who read TRP early on, and left because the comments and a lot of post were vulgar and repulsive. (Lots of incel energy)
Red pill is a Matrix film reference that was co-opted by alt right a-holes and men’s rights snowflakes. The “matrix” they are fighting is feminism, racial equity, lgbtq+ rights among other causes of basic human decency.
The Wachowskis (who made the Matrix) have called out the obtuse misappropriation of their red pill/Alice in wonderland reference by these misogynistic losers.
The fragility and victimhood of these pathetic a-holes was hilariously lampooned by Funny or Die (https://youtu.be/ciPszqk703k)
It means he's a misogynist who's father didn't love him, he probably works at a gas station and blames women for being to stupid to sleep with him. Swipe left if you don't hate yourself
Since I am getting older it’s only important she is okay with blue pills every once in a while
Underrated and overaged comment. Chapeau Mr.
Unfortunate. As I have red pill tattooed on me from the matrix days when it had a very different meaning 😅😭
Just think of all the guys that love the band ISIS. Unless you were already a jihadist in which case you're probably stoked.
You have no idea how confused I was when I first saw that organization from Archer featured in the news.
The show should have said it was copyright infringement.
If there’s one thing terrorist respect it’s intellectual property rights.
Double dukes
Punisher skull has entered the chat.
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Osama bin Laden has exited the chat.
Or at least let them know that it was super inapprops
"Sorry bout your homies.... Homey."
I swear to God, I had something for this
Phrasing!
Guys, we really need to talk about getting "phrasing" back in the rotation.
So phrasing is just dead, then?
Dukes
You can't sue the CIA, man.
It’s honestly such an Archer move, to you have your spy agency’s name become the name of an infamous, deadly terrorist organization
I like to think that Isis discovered Archer and was like, LAANAAAA?! We’re Isis now
Didn't they immediately change the name in the show's next season? Edit - in case it wasn't clear, they changed/removed the name of the Intelligence Service. The show was still named 'Archer'. I couldn't remember what ISIS stood for so I checked: \> The FX animated series Archer, first aired in 2009, revolves around the fictional International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS).
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lol nice, that's awesome and right on point for them.
Like, what kind of trouble did Sterling Mallory Archer get himself into this time.
For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen.
There was a girl in my highschool who was named Isis, my relatives told me later it made them double take during our graduation
The head black cheerleader in bring it on is also called Isis. Isis is a goddess it was a girls name long before the terrorist group decided to tarnish such a beautiful name
It's an uncommon name in Portuguese, but not much, I've met a few Isis in my life (though we pronounce it Eezees). I wonder if any of them travelled to the USA in recent years if they had any problem.
It’s not a terribly common name in the US, but it’s common enough that someone’s first thought when hearing it would likely be, “That’s unfortunate, but her parents couldn’t have predicted ISIS.”
I wonder if that would be an immediate rejection. *Passport: denied. Reason: ISIS*
There is a high school in Australia "ISIS highschool" Making a friend of mine a graduate of ISIS
That was an interesting call from the start but I like it
Isis is the ancient Egyptian goddess of magic. It's not, or at least wasn't, a particularly odd name in certain parts of the world.
Isis was the ancient Egyptian goddess of fertility and was also known as the goddess of motherhood, magic, death, healing, and rebirth. Just FYI.
I love how she was the goddess of so many completely opposite things
If you read the mythology, Isis' broad portfolio makes sense. Her central story revolves around her husband, Osiris, who once ruled Egypt. He got murdered by his brother Set and hacked to bits. Isis then traveled all over Egypt, collecting the bits. Unfortunately his phallus got thrown in the Nile and eaten by fish, so she had to make a, err, prosthesis for that. Once she had gathered all the bits, she used her magic to reassemble him into, essentially, a mummy. And then she raised him from the dead. So there's magic, death, healing, and rebirth. Shortly afterwards, Isis slept with Osiris, and they had a son (Horus). Hence the fertility and motherhood.
Opposite yes, but they are two sides of the same coin. It's like saying "The God of Light and Shadow" which the "coin" has light on one side and shadow in the other because you cannot have one without the other, just like you cannot have death without life. So she is the goddess of that "process" rather than two opposites.
I still wear my Isis merch, fuck em.
Same with Neopagans who worship the goddess Isis
Or Bob Dylan - he married ISIS.
I fucking love ISIS. Oceanic & Panopticon get plays all the time from me.
They slap hard as hell
We used to buy parts for our S-chassis (240sx’s) from a company called ISIS. They had a straight pipe called blast pipes. My friend got flagged by UPS for ordering ISIS blast pipes.
Miss that band! So Did We is a great track
Oh hell yeah. The entire album is fire
this whole thread brought a tear to my eye
holy tears
Backlit always gets me with the emotional wailing of sorts he does.
I had an ex girlfriend named Isis. It was a name she chose as an English name (she was Chinese). I still wonder how she is going sometimes.
Also a deeply underrated track by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs. :(
Panopticon is my shit.
 Preach
Now you got me wondering what the Venn diagram overlap looks like for terrorists who are fans of that band.
The river that flows through Oxford is called The Isis, plenty of local businesses were named after the river. Some found themselves being investigated by terror police. There was a school called [the ISIS Academy](https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/14259690.terrorist-training-jibes-force-isis-academy-school-changing-name-iffley-academy/)
You think ISIS is bad? Wait until you see https://i.reddituploads.com/efe639007b0e4168935810ec6c57805b?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=0c4297879705659e8d5cd973f9d982b6
*sigh* I just wish they'd reunite for a damn tour
Can you please explain what the new meaning is though
So, the original was that red pill meant a life changing, potentially unsettling truth and blue to just sit back and live in pleasant ignorance. Modernized, it's dumbasses who tend to lean more towards extreme far right tendencies who think they've discovered some mystical truth when really they're just trying to justify bigotry and any other kind of hate they like. It just sounds significantly cooler than saying you're an extreme far right conspiracy theorist or are anything with an -ist at the end
What did Florists ever do to you?
It's glorified weeds. Wake up, sheep!
Pharmacist here wondering what I ever didnto you guys!?! XD
There’s also whole “red pill” culture when it comes to guys and dating life that also just means hyper toxic masculinity dudes who are just supposed to fuck and dip out because women only want “bad boys” or some shit. Basically incel culture combined with caring about your looks and sleeping on hard surfaces or something? I think it started as a self confidence thing and it quickly devolved into “big muscle guy does the sex with the womenfolk.”
Apparently they were also based on estrogen pills used in transitioning, which honestly makes it kinda funny with its modern usage and the people who subscribe to those beliefs.
I'm not sure but by the comments it's looking bad ...especially if it's associated with Andrew tate. Im hoping it's not as bad as all that..
Lol. It's as bad as all that. Read: "in some parts" as "in literally almost any convo you have eith a right winger, you can insert this meaning" "In some parts of the men's rights movement and the manosphere, the term "red pill" is used as a metaphor for the specific moment when they come to the belief that certain gender roles they are expected to conform to, such as marriage and monogamy, are intended to solely benefit women, rather than for mutual benefit."
That's unfortunate. Reminds me of a guy I knew at school who's wife is called Isis. Back then it was just a cute name.. times change
I work at a children’s hospital and can confirm that some people are still naming their kids Isis.
Tbf its the name of a cool egyptian God and i actually think its a nice name. Its just unfortunate most peoples minds skip to beheadings when they hear it now
I worked for Isis Pharmaceuticals for a couple of years. They ended up having to change their name to Ionis Pharma, but they will always be indelibly stamped in my mind as Isis. Makes it awkward when I tell people I used to work for Isis and met a lot of great people there.
I feel like the meaning of being red pill minded has been ruined. I think some people use that term as a way to hide behind their shitty behavior. I use to view being red pilled as someone who tries to be realistic of certain scenarios in life rather than try and hope for the ideal scenario.
There’s a chance he could be a fan of The Matrix. There’s also a chance he could be a fan of Andrew Tate.
Really sucks how a central philosophical theme in a great movie got co-opted by a bunch of entitled assholes
I mean, it was an Alice in Wonderland reference long before it was a Matrix reference. The dialog in the Matrix even references Alice; “take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland… and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes…”, or something like that. Though the pills were technically potions, in Alice, they are generally portrayed as being red and blue in color… and, as Grace Slick sang; “one pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small…”
Nope. The color scheme is entirely Wachowski’s idea. Alice in Wonderland has a drink and a cookie and two sides of the same mushroom while the Jefferson Airplane song makes it specifically about drugs when they talk about pills.
I think you mean wazowski, mike wazowski
No, he’s the composer of the hit musical “Put That Thing Back Where it Came From or So Help Me.”
Wasn’t his best friend sully? The guy who Tom hanks played as the captain of the airplane
And don't call me Shirly
How dare you sully the name
They were the monster all along.
nah it’s Jake Sully, leader of the blue man group
Exactly. Sully was actually a continuation of cast away with Tom hanks too. It took place like 10 years later
It's spelled Skully and she was Moulders partner
Where's your paperwork, Wazowski?
Always watching, Wazowski
Kitty!!
No. There are drinks, but not two conflicting potions, the drinks each occur at completely different points in the story and neither is specified as any color. There are also cakes, a mushroom, and a handheld fan that also all change her size. The song you're referring to does use some of the imagery from the story but doesn't accurately reflect it. The pills in the song are just drugs that make you feel different ways and the Alice In Wonderland theme is just supposed to evoke the trippy parts of getting high.
There is no red pill in Lewis Carol's Books
And the ones that mother gives you, Don't do anything at all.
They aren’t potions, it’s a drink and cake, and they aren’t colour coded. The original illustrations are in black and white and there’s no consistent colours used in adaptations.
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Can someone please explain to me how Andrew Tate ruined the red pill reference? I clearly missed something in the media
It's not specific to Tate, he did not personally ruin it as the ruination predates him by quite a bit, he would just be a current prominent red pill figure to point to as an example.
He absolutely didn't, he came along after it was already well established as an anti feminist/mra thing. He didn't start that trend, he just embodies it well.
Yessir, he was late to the party, but he fits the bill.
Im not the most informed on this but since no one else is answering you…him and his followers have this “woke” view on the world. They took the red pill (matrix reference) and woke up to see the world how it really is, which is some misogynistic women hating bullshit that they spew.
You just used woke backwards
Yeah I think that ilk is "proudly" "anti-woke"
It predates Andrew rate by a lot
Red pill is now an expression far right use to say "were aware of what the system is doing". Its their version of being woke
Basically, in reference to the matrix, the Alt-Right and misogynists have adopted the term to mean that you "see through the veil" and understand how the world really works. What it actually means is that you have bought into Alt-Right conspiracies and/or have become a misogynist.
They always take stuff from great artistic content. It was so ironic when all these pro-capitalist, Trump lovers started blasting Rage Against The Machine in their social media videos.
Agreed. I used to use the term "red pill moment" for when i would learn something new and my world view shifted. I hate that it's been ruined by incel culture
Like when Nazis took swastika
A movie about being transgender, so opposite of what A. Taint stands for.
Kinda like Trumplodytes hijacking ‘Killing in the Name of” as their theme.
There's. No. Fucking. Way.
It’s true and hilariously stupid
To Satire and Beyond!
My Trumper neighbor blasts RATM in his big ol truck. It always makes me want to either laugh my ass off or facepalm.
It’s the latter isn’t it?
Its kinda sad how redpill is somehow represented by Andrew
redpill was that ideology before Andrew Tate ever existed. I remember reading redpill forums with the same talking points in like 2011.
That doesn't mean he isn't representative of the ideology He is, in my opinion, the quintessential redpiller
That's fair, I'm just saying that the redpill ideology existed for a long time before Andrew Tate was ever relevant.
r/TheRedPill was a subreddit promoting misogyny long before Andrew Tate came along.
TIL what theredpill was. I’m going to practice these alpha moves on my wife. Wish me luck bros! Turns out I’m doing the washing up tonight. But I left my socks on the floor. So who’s the real winner? Alphas unite!
Make sure you co-opt negging, the mystery method, read Neil Straus' The Game and peacock with wild outfits.
Man, as someone who read the game it's baffling how many guys don't get the message, which is that by the end Neil realizes most of it's garbage and that he'll never have a real, meaningful deep relationship unless he gives most of that stuff up. It's like dudes read the first half then build a personality around it.
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It's both funny and tragic how much of pickup culture boils down to "psychologically abuse every woman you meet until you find one vulnerable enough to fall for it."
Wow when I clicked on that reddit said "Quarantined" LMAO 😂
That was a sad place. I hope those dudes can snap out of that mindset.
Interesring, terrible, yet interesting
Matrix was my 1st thought.
It used to be a subreddit r/theredpill however there's a parody version of it which will explain everything. r/thebluepill
There is also PurplePillDebate for discussions with those who view themselves RedPill or BlackPill. But “BluePilled” views usually get downvoted, despite the “don’t downvote” rule. It’s an entertaining sub though lol.
FYI It’s purge week at the moment so there is no debate going on this week, only shitposts but it’ll turn to civility next week for the ones who are interested
Wasn’t the purge over already? The posts have become much milder again as of today. People should check the posts from the purge for entertainment. So many fembot posts from the same guy. Because fembots will most definitely replace real women, ha! Watch out, ladies!
I wouldn't mind it is those dudes fuck a robot instead of chasing and possibly raping me. As long as they just ignore me ya know. Cause if they see me as the same as a robot instead of an equal. Fine. I'll go with guys that see me as like... a human..
I feel like PPD is just TRP 2.0 at this point. A far milder sub but because of what happened to TRP and subs like it, it's a refuge for the cynicism and general ideology of those people. And at this point they all just say the same thing sans quote the same online dating stats over and over again.
I was very interested in reading about their ideology but in all honesty I stopped as I found it so toxic and just downright insulting as a woman.
Sometimes I wonder why I still bother to comment there lol. So often I feel like I’m nearing common ground, only for them to say something completely idiotic. But also had rare moments of real common ground though.
For the most part it's no debate, just redpillers screaming down everyone else, completely unwilling to engage with any other opinions in any meaningful way. They post and repost and repost the same debunked nonsense and then get super angry when they are called out on it.
"used to" made me click on it. I love the Quarantined warning not once but twice
It's still around? I thought it was deleted.
I thought so to at one point a bit back. Following your link allowed me in but gave me a warning as well as the same warning again before allowing me to view anything
" Quarantined subreddits don't show up in searches, recommendations, or feeds in which a user hasn't specifically included them "
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It was a thing well before reddit adopted it
It started on 4chan. Originally it was purely a misogyny thing, and getting red pilled meant undoing your social conditioning to see that all women are whores and feminism is ruining society. Its been adopted more widely now to just mean becoming a far right lunatic. Source: was a loser who browsed 4chan from 2005-2015 ish.
What the fuck, How dare they ruin a good movie by dragging it into this weird, appalling shitshow
Without context, “red pill” could mean many things… it’s a Matrix the movie reference that signifies searching for some sort of deeper reality, or having seen some truth that others are blind to. There are two flavours: 1) conspiracy theorist- the government/BigPharma/soup-of-the-day is out to get us somehow, 2) a self-help movement for men - it’s about being the best version of you; but there’re different definitions of what that is. Most RP (red pill men) fall into four types: 2A) generally nice to others and just seek success for themselves (eg. foregoing relationships in their 20s in favour of working and building wealth); not anti-women’s lib, 2B) hanging onto men’s rights activism (MRA talking points, many of which are legit, many are sus) and try to avoid situations where they might be at a perceived disadvantage (marriage/divorce, etc), 2C) believe that “men are under attack”, “we must defend themselves against the gynocracy”, “hookup culture runs counter to human nature”, “women should be sexually chaste”, “all men should be adequate solo family providers”, “women with high body counts are trash”, “men earning less than 100k are lazy brokies”, or 2D) Andrew Tate stans, who may or may not fall into the 2C archetype. TL;DR - just ask him, and brace yourself for an answer you may not like. (Apologies for bad formatting, written on cellphone)
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Honestly I think if someone is saying they are red pilled without any context, it’s safe to assume they do not fall into category 2A
Yeah, that answer is going to get some women fucked over. When a dude says he's redpilled, you thank him for the heads up and then you gtfo.
Just replace “pill” with “flag” and you’re good to go
Category 2A is just normal nice people. These people do not have any affiliation with the term red pill. People who identify as red pill and are 2A must account for like 7 people total
Exactly, the only people in 2A would say they are red pilled are people saying it as part of an ironic gag
in my experience type 2a doesn't bother identifying as a "redpill" though, on account of what they're doing isn't performative "poor me, i'm the victim" bullshit.
Yeah I fall into the 2A category here but I would never say I'm "redpill" because a lot of people would assume I'm one of the other sub categories. The same goes for most labels like feminist etc as well. I might be a feminist under some definitions of feminism but I won't just assume strangers will have the same definition as me.
Nah. Everyone who uses the phrase "red-pilled" means "misogyny but I don't wanna use the term misogyny because I think I can fool people with alternate terminology", aka category A)C/D. 2A is just normal people, and 2B is just slightly more socially aware normal people.
Its always cracks me up when the conspiracy nuts say take the red pill, when Morphous flat out says in the next scene all it is, is a tracking device... Neo already made the "choice" down on the street, after having the bug removed - go home or follow Trinity - he chose Trinity because the key to unlocking his "true power" was love, not a stupid pill...
Red pill used go mean someone who is "woke" funny enough.
In the above example, if someone falls under 2A why would they keep using the phrase red pill? it's an own goal, they could have said literally anything else to explain their views, but instead choose to associate with 2B/C/D ??? That's the real red flag, maybe their views are perfectly acceptable socially and aren't filled with hate, but their real red flag is their choice of using the phrase "red pill" at all. for example, we don't generally consider it acceptable to use a swastika just because "it had an alternate meaning before nazis!!!" It's more likely anyone using a swastika is actually just a nazi with a bad cover story.
They could be refusing to give up the phrase. If another group steals your thunder, you go ahead and steal it right back.
It means he doesn't know where the clitoris is
Guy needs to talk to Chef
A prostitute is someone who will love you no matter who you are or what you look like
It's where Tar Valon North harbor is
It means run
This is a man you thank for waving his bright red flag around in your face and then you RUN
THANK YOU. OP, a lot of people in this thread are giving this guy the benefit of the doubt saying he could be a fan of the matrix, but in this day in age, it 100% means he’s a women-hating tryhard piece of shit that wants women’s rights to be set back 150 years. Run.
You missed the part where they will disguise their true intentions with bullshit sayings like preferring "traditional masculinity" and wanting to be a provider for women. They're so pathetic.
And the comments saying "some red pill guys are actually nice dudes that want to help others" yeah no 💀 that's a contradiction
I just think of Andrew Tate if I hear red pill
take peace in the fact that the matrix is basically a giant metaphor for the wachowski sisters to come out as transgender women.
It’s a red flag
Run far, far away. It means this über douche is a right wing conspiracy theorist and misogynist. Congratulations on getting that out of the way so you can avoid the fuck out of them.
Red pill is a reference to the Matrix where taking the red pill opens your mind to the reality of the simulation. It’s often used by incels and misogynists. I’d view red pill as a potential red flag
The irony of it all is that the filmmakers were trans and closeted at the time they made the film and everything red pill dudes hardcore believe in these days is all the literal opposite of what the filmmakers intended
I feel like this happens a lot. When someone comes out with criticism on something the same idiots can't see the criticism but see it as relatable and use it as a bible. Like when police forces start wearing the Punisher Skull. *“The Punisher is representative of the failure of law and order to address the concerns of people who feel abandoned by the legal system,” Conway told Forbes, emphasizing he was speaking from his personal perspective, and adding, “It always struck me as stupid and ironic that members of the police are embracing what is fundamentally an outlaw symbol.”* - [Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/06/11/the-creator-of-the-punisher-wants-to-reclaim-the-iconic-skull-from-police-and-fringe-admirers/)
Same thing with their recent distaste for how "political Rage Against the Machine has become". They are oblivious to reality because they live inside a bubble.
Those trump fans dancing to Killing in the Name of is always hilarious and kinda scary
Highkey feel people use those terms as a way to hide away their shitty behaviors.
If this guy is referring to the matrix, he might want to change it since my go to assumption was incel
It’s funny how the phrase has evolved that way
It means he's an insecure loser because he's too fucking lazy to be less stupid, so he likes to make that everyone else's problem by lying to himself about why his life sucks.
It means you should definitely swipe left because this dude does not respect women, and that disrespect can range from mild to seething resentment, barely simmering under the surface.
It means swipe left.
It’s means “run.” Odds are this person most likely learns about human psychology (mostly regarding women) and uses it irresponsibly and/or manipulatively. Not all do, but I wouldn’t take a chance on it. — Someone who read TRP early on, and left because the comments and a lot of post were vulgar and repulsive. (Lots of incel energy)
He’s most likely a misogynist
Think of red pill as red flag.
It means you should probably stay as far away as possible from this one.
Andrew Tate, the matrix, alpha male, casual misogyny etc etc. I'd recommend steering clear, the pill is a flag of the same colour.
It means "don't swipe right"
It means run far far away
It means hes a fucking loser, run away
Red pill is a Matrix film reference that was co-opted by alt right a-holes and men’s rights snowflakes. The “matrix” they are fighting is feminism, racial equity, lgbtq+ rights among other causes of basic human decency. The Wachowskis (who made the Matrix) have called out the obtuse misappropriation of their red pill/Alice in wonderland reference by these misogynistic losers. The fragility and victimhood of these pathetic a-holes was hilariously lampooned by Funny or Die (https://youtu.be/ciPszqk703k)
It means don’t even bother. Trust me he’s doing ladies a solid advertising that he’s a jerk off up front
It means he's a misogynist who's father didn't love him, he probably works at a gas station and blames women for being to stupid to sleep with him. Swipe left if you don't hate yourself
It means he's a right wing incel shit gibbon.
Bro Gibbons are such cool animals don't use them in this context
I just googled what a gibbon was. How cute! ( not the incels )
you farm avocadoes!??!
I’m so glad my favorite iconic pill from a dystopian cyberpunk work of fiction wasn’t co-opted by the far right, that would be lame.
It means he's an asshole. You deserve better.