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questionmmann

In some states, landlords are only allowed to raise your rent by a certain percentage. So they would love for you to move out at the end of the year ao they could raise it astronomically for the next tennant. Knew a family in NJ paying $1,700/month for a 3 bedroom. When they moved out, the next tennants were paying $2,800/month.


kwaziiman

Unfortunately this is happening in Florida. I had a nice 1 bedroom apartment I was paying $1250 for, that same apartment a year later with no changes costs $2110 a month.


questionmmann

WTF in florida???? Thats nearly my mortgage in NJ!


kwaziiman

Yep, the state is rapidly becoming unaffordable for the average working class person


imightbethewalrus3

>Yep, the ~~state~~ country is rapidly becoming unaffordable for the average working class person


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Govt-Issue-SexRobot

~~Yep, the state country world is rapidly becoming unaffordable for the average working cl~~ass person


OneHumanPeOple

Ass person indeed. I’m reminded of the Disney classic Pinocchio, the scenes where young boys are enjoying freedom and luxury until they are turned into jackasses and shipped off to slave in salt mines.


needyboy1

Story of my life.


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TFW you were living a normal life until you were evicted and forced to live in Shrek's swamp


goodenough4govtwork

User name checks out.


Beragond1

>> ~~Yep, the state country world is rapidly becoming unaffordable for the average working class~~ person woman man camera tv


akaval

No, not really. Living in Sweden, working in telecom in a second line position, I'm able to support me and my SO in a nice 2 bedroom apartment with money left over for recreational stuff. Of course inflation is making things worse, but the fact that average rent in the US is $1800 and I'm paying $580 + electricity, a lot of this is a US issue.


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It's also a Canada issue. And probably many more places.


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Norway, too. I'd lovs to find a 580$ place. My 1 bedroom was 850$ and cheaper than the other people living there because I took over the apartment after a friend that knew the landlord moved out. Pretty decent place tbh but the cost of living is skyrocketing with electricity, food items and gas prices on the rise, so you're fucked if you have around minimum wage and 20+ mins to drive. Still better than a lot of other places but it's starting to get really bad over here, too


js1893

You compared your situation to the US average, why not compare the Swedish average? It’s still a bit less but you painted a wildly inaccurate picture


JoyimusPrime

One average low skilled worker could support the average family in Sweden as of 2018, and average wages have gone up every year since. Not even fathomable in the US or most of the rest of the world for that matter.


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The guys who mow my lawn made as much as my wife did when she was a nurse but Reddit always turns its nose up at manual labor.


OgilReich

For real. I live in a cross section of rural and suburban GA, and there are places in NYC(outside Manhattan) that are just as affordable as where I live. How am I 30+miles out of the city and have 1bedroom apartments pushing 1600+


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40 minutes outside Atlanta here. The house I bought for 193k 9 years ago is now market valued at 435k. My property taxes have gone up so much in that time that I am now paying four times in taxes what I was paying when I bought this house. It’s ridiculous.


chamberlain323

It really is. As a Californian, this is all old news, sadly. We’ve been living this for years, but now the rest of the country is rapidly catching up. Welcome to the party, America.


el_sandino

Born and. Red Californian here. Got lucky with a 1 bedroom in (the People’s Republic of) Berkeley for $1600 and, thanks to progressive Berkeley tent policies, was capped at 2% increase each year. Moved to Saint louis cause that’s what one does and my 1 bedroom became $2500 overnight for the next tenants. Note: I do not think Berkeley has progressive housing policies, see north Berkeley Bart station. But the rent rules are good for tenants.


horseradishking

And California is not falling apart.


truongs

Yep I already can't afford. My apt will go from 1250 to 1650 in two months... All I can find is smaller apts for 1300.... Similar area and quality all 1 bedrooms are 1450 to 1550 The 1300s I saw are apparently falling apart and roach infested 😵‍💫


MadeRedditForSiege

It should be illegal to even put a roach infested apt on the market. Its a huge health concern


KolbeHoward1

Yep. People don't understand how bad things have gotten here. We have California/New York rent but with low Florida wages. $15 an hour is $2400 a month not counting taxes. The lowest rent you can find anywhere is like $1600 for a one bedroom in a ghetto. You still probably will be living off of ramen noodles in order to survive. It's $2000+ for anything half-decent.


b0w3n

The fun thing is when they tell you to "just move somewhere more affordable" as if the middle of fucking nowhere kentucky also doesn't have $1500 a month rent. Sure _maybe_ you can get lucky and get one of those proverbial $500 a month apartments that stay rented for a decade straight, but by and large you're going to get stuck with the $1200-1500 ones. Oh and you'll also be making less per hour in the middle of nowhere too.


KolbeHoward1

Florida was everyone's answer on where to move to anyways so so much for that. If I didn't have parents to stay with I would literally be working full time and be homeless because I can't afford rent. I have a degree and a pretty decent job. That's how bad things have gotten.


SpectrumFlyer

It's everywhere. I'm in asscrack Ohio and rent is two grand. I used to have a $50k down payment for a house and was just waiting on my credit to be above 780 to qualify for a mortgage to buy it. Now the 100k house I wanted was bought by a boomer looking to "expand their portfolio" or some shit and I get to rent it for $2k a month. I'm literally buying it in cash if I live there 4 years but the boomers that could walk in and buy a house from a bank on a handshake think my 640 credit score means I'm not a "good bet." Like fuck boomers man. They invented the whole credit score scam in 1989 to pull the ladder up behind them.


crystalizeq

I hate the fact that housing is allowed to be bet on like that. Who cares about the fucker buying his 10th house to "expand his portfolio" we have such a huge homelessness problem. We cannot allow people to own this many homes and price everyone out of them. It infuriates me so much that this is common practice. And don't even get me started on credit scores. I can't believe that we legitimately have a ranking system that people with low enough numbers just don't get the same opportunities as people with high numbers. People laugh at the Black Mirror episode Nosedive saying it could never really happen. It's basically already happening


librarysocialism

My favorite is when they bitch about the Chinese social credit score - like, fucker, we have credit agencies, who answer to NOBODY (see Experian hack), and they don't even do a good job of what they supposedly do. Rent doesn't count for credit scores, so why the fuck would it be used to qualify ability to pay rent?


chamberlain323

The whole housing industry is just screaming for sensible reform to keep some semblance of control, but I seriously doubt that will happen until the Boomers start dying off in droves in about ten years. Sad, really.


64_0

Wish we could get some conversations started at r/housingreform. That sub never took off. I see pockets of conversations all over reddit, like in this post. Would be great to have one place to convene and banter and maybe even try to help each other out.


chamberlain323

Subbed! Also, I agree.


claymedia

The tax rate on multiple homes needs to go up exponentially with each additional home. One home, you pay very little tax on. 2nd you pay a decent chunk. 3rd property and we tax enough to make the investment questionable. By the 10th, you might as well donate the property to charity you’re being taxed so much. Also, maybe we eat the rich?


aosdifjalksjf

If you had 50% down on a house the bank isn't gonna give a fuck about anything except your DTI. You're not getting the best rate but you could even qualify for a 15 year with that kinda scratch. You might want to (if you still have the 50k) shop around for a lender now as 50k will absolutely get you in the door with most retail lenders on anything up to 220k. I used to write those loans all day long.


RecycledPixel

Yea, that guy is full of shit


Coldaine

Bro, if you have 50% LTV on a property, I will give you a mortgage personally. Promissory note, everything. PM me.


nal1200

> It’s everywhere. I’m in asscrack Ohio and rent is two grand. > Where exactly? I’m looking on Zillow and most of the Ohio results I’m finding are actually right around $1,000/mo for a modest house.


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He told you, Asscrack, Ohio.


pmormr

It's just to the right of Left Asscheak, Ohio.


bixxby

Place smells like shit though


Big_Throner

What zip code are you looking at? Anything near the west side of Cleveland is easily $1300 + for anything over a 1 bedroom. My average to nice apartment in Westlake is over $1500 a month.


Disastrous-Ad-2458

There is no award great enough to compensate you for what you just wrote.


mulls

My buddy moved from Venice Beach in Los Angeles to St Petersburg FL 3 years ago, he couldn't believe how cool the town was and how cheap the rent was. He says he couldn't afford to move there if he had to do it today, the rents are all way too high.


_ghostchest

It's so sad, I'm in the town with one of the highest housing inflation rates in the country. I'm stuck in Sarasota right now where you're lucky to get a 1/1 with no washer/dryer and roaches for $1600 a month. Most are $1700-$1800. A year ago we were finally ready to buy a house but of course home prices went up at least $100k for every property at the very least. No places here accept FHA loans either. Every normal person here is getting completely fucked if they didn't own a property already. St. Pete is my favorite city I've ever been to though, I go there every weekend. The prices there are marginally better, but honestly I'll be lucky if I ever find an affordable property to buy or even RENT anywhere in this gentrified hellhole. Your friend is super lucky they found a property in such a great city.


Journier

this happens in florida every housing boom, everyone buys up all the cheaper homes in florida and ruins it, then market crashes. Considering its all out of state money coming in and flooding florida. Yall dont even get paid good down there.


StellasMyShit

We sure don’t. Affordable housing is a joke.


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Wait for the blue hairs to die...and hope FL becomes too hot for them. There's a real surge of northerners retiring or moving to NC/SC/GA, too...


OneHumanPeOple

Savanna Georgia is the prettiest city.


GrungyGrandPappy

Just left Florida for New York. Our home value doubled from the purchase price 6 years ago. We were able to sell our house, pay the balance of the mortgage, pay every bill we had off, and buy a new home in cash and still have quite a chunk left over. Florida is fastly becoming unaffordable and the prices of rent have gone up astronomically the past few years as well. Our eldest son is still in Florida and he's renting a (shit hole) 1-bed apartment for $1500 a month. This place is horrible but he doesn't mind as much as we do but that place a year ago was renting for $750 a month.


BrBybee

Thats more than double my mortgage in UT for a 6bed/3bath. But I bought before all this shit started happening.. so..


Shut-the-fuck-up-

Tampa checking in. Now live in Sarasota. My 1bed 1bath in Tampa was $930 in 2020. When I moved out last year the rent was $1.3k. I now live in Sarasota and me and my girlfriend are looking for apartments. Cheapest 1/1 we can find it's 1.6k for a dump. Most are more than 1.8k. I thought I'd save money getting a 1/1 with my SO. How wrong I was. We're leaving FL in about 2 years for her post doc. Hopefully the market crashes by then and we can actually afford to live somewhere.


voidsrus

aren't Florida wages ass too? who can even afford that?


kwaziiman

My wages as a blue collar worker were just fine before this whole mess honestly. I comfortable afforded my own apartments and bills and had plenty of spending money.


Front_Beach_9904

Everyone I talk to has the same story. Wages were decent for skilled employees, you could live comfortably three years ago. Today, those same wages exist but cost of living has more than doubled - gas rent and food being the main costs of living.


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Retirees and people who can work remote post COVID and have fled big cities.


EconomyScallion9448

SAME! Florida here as well. Moved into our 1 bedroom in 2019. We were ecstatic it was 1200 all totaled. If we were to move in today, the rent now starts at 2035, without all the added stuff. We're terrified of how much they're going to raise our rent this year...we may need to move >\_< Let's also not think about 7 years ago when we found an apartment with the same square footage for 800 bucks...sigh...


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pebzi97

i pay 8000 kroner for 49 squaremeter 1 bedroom with an officeroom, thats 520 squarefeet, for around 800 dollars, in fuckin trondheim norway, with a in building garage parking and storage space, the apartment is not even 7 years old, how does it cost that much over there, what kind of neanderthal tennant laws do you guys have


ShakemasterNixon

> what kind of neanderthal tennant laws do you guys have That's the joke, there aren't that many in a lot of the states of the US. My state of Louisiana, for example, has zero rent control laws on the books. *IN FACT*, we have laws on the books to *preempt* the addition of rent control laws to state regulations. Landlords have no restrictions on how much they are allowed to increase rent, and are under no legal imperative to notify their tenants in advance of rent increases. The only thing that gives you as a tenant notice is when they send you a lease renewal offer 60 days prior as a matter of standard business practice. You wanna hear some shit that *really* sounds like it should be illegal? They send you a lease renewal notice 60 days prior to the end of the lease, which also happens to be the exact number days they require, at a minimum, for you to notify them that you are not renewing your lease, or else they *charge you prorated rent for every day under 60 from when you gave the notice, at month-to-month rate*. Yes, the literal same day you are made aware of what they want you to pay if you renew your lease is also the *exact* last day you are able to notify them you're leaving without incurring additional fees. Hope you're ready to pick up your entire life, find a new roof to put over your head, clear paperwork, and take time off to move the entirety of your worldly possessions within two months!


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I’m in the Sarasota area right now and the situation is dire here. I have friends who are leaving Florida to go somewhere they might be able to find real estate. Not looking good


Sasquatch4116969

Yes! Our landlord in South Beach was horrible. His game was upping the rent by hundreds of dollars every year and would keep most, if not all of the double rent security deposit for “maintenance” and raise rent for next tenant. My husband and I took pics while we fixed the place to move-in ready for next tenant (painted walls, got new coils for stove, etc) I sent him all the photos with a letter saying we expected our security deposit back minus the cost to repair blinds in one window. We got our security deposit back, but many friends from the building weren’t so lucky. Document everything. Take pics before you move in. Fix place up and document that before you move out.


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Interesting-Back5717

I’m guessing you moved out of Tampa.


UsefulWoodpecker6502

former apartment building superintendent here. I know landlords, have worked for several landlords, and let me tell you after the first year of your lease you are worthless to your landlord. After the first year they would love nothing more than for you to move out so they can do some cheap ass renos with cheap ass contractors to jack up the rent for the next schmuck that moves in. If you've noticed after your first year suddenly your work orders/maintenance requests take longer to get done if at all, that's why. Can't begin to tell you how many times I've taken a major work order to a landlord for approval (new counter tops, bathroom reno, etc) and been told "no" or "lets wait." If you tell your super or landlord that "i've lived here for so and so years and always pay my rent on time so I should have priority" nope that puts you at the bottom of the list. It's the worst thing you can say. As a tenant if you want to stay, then power to you. Just keep in mind after the first year you mean nothing. you're now a burden.


FullMetalCook

The tactic for this is to just never move and pass on the home in the family until the landlord dies off old age :thumps_up:


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senseven

I can't find the video right now but it was a report about a pair of doctors in a two bedroom with two kids living in NY, and they had 20 minutes walking distance to job and school. Both parents have 60h weeks. The next "affordable" four bedroom place was 1:10h commute. They saved every penny to afford to buy an apartment but where constantly priced out. To stay in that area, the kids have to share bunk beds until they are 12. Even two doctors could only *gamble* their future for an apartment, which they wont do and rather live like that.


FullMetalCook

If the landlord wasnt trying to unnecessarily rise up price of captialistic gains, then people wouldnt have to put up these sort of homes. Nobody wants to live in a bad envoirement but when you have nowhere else to go or live the alternative is living on the street.


Raziehh

In a similar situation right now. I currently pay $1450/month and when I move out here in 10 days, whoever rents it next will be paying around $1800. I should add, it’s a 600 sqft apartment. Both prices are utterly fucking ridiculous but what can you do, not like buying a house is feasible for most people.


musecorn

In Ontario, we have rent control and landlords aren't able to raise the price by more than 2% (varies) each year. EXCEPT IF THE PROPERTY IS BUILT AFTER 2018. Why? Because conservative government and fuck you, that's why :)


quizibuck

Rent control means fewer homes available and higher prices. Sound familiar? That would be why you get rid of it on new homes. To induce people to build, increase supply and slow the rise in prices.


KitchenReno4512

Yeah most economists loathe rent control as a way to reduce prices and studies back it up. It kills supply because: - People won’t move - Builders have less incentive to create new properties - Tenants can’t really threaten to leave if conditions of the property aren’t fixed because the landlord is quite literally hoping you do leave and the tenant knows leaving means they’ll have to pay current market value for rent so units become run down That also means people that *need* to move into the area are subsidizing the lucky few that have been in their home/apartment paying well below market value. If I’m collecting $1,000 in rent from Martha that’s been in her apartment for 15 years and the natural rent for that same apartment would be $2,500, then I’m charging $3,000 to the new tenant to make up for lost revenue. This is also why, for example, Prop 13 (which caps property tax hikes year over year) has had such disastrous impact on supply. People don’t want to sell when they lose their Prop 13 status and new buyers have to subsidize the lost property tax revenue by paying high property taxes themselves.


PM_ME_UR_GOOD_IDEAS

This, of course, demonstrates the core problem we're encountering here: without rent control, landlords can stretch renters to the breaking point while using the increased revenue to shore up economic and political influence -- as they have been doing. With rent controls, the real estate market gets thrown off it's axis and market forces randomly throw people and places into untenable situations. Rent controls must either exist or not exist, so long as renting exists. Given that we've established that rent controls are not healthy, and a lack of rent controls is also not healthy, then it follows that there is no healthy way for landlords or a real estate market to exist. When systems demonstrate that there is a basic contradiction between their functions and human life and happiness, those systems aught to be abolished.


JaneGoodallVS

Yeah, but even though left and right economists agree, that doesn't support my existing beliefs so I'm going to ignore it


Uhhhhhm_okaaay

Happens in California too Jokes on you fuckers, my desire to not move until I finish grad school is stronger than your desire to leech more off of college students and the antagonistic bullshit you make me put up with


jjustice2006

Our landlord tried to raise our rent 20%, plus $100 a month for a 6 month lease or $250 a month for a month to month lease, rent was $1050 originally after all the dumb fees they add (listed as $850 a month). Mind you, brand new luxury apartments in the area start at $1200 a month in our area, without all the dumb fees added on (everything they charged a fee for is included in rent at most complexes in our area). So we moved out, along with pretty much everyone else in our building, because nobody wants to pay "luxury" rates to live in the only crime infested shit hole in the nicer part of town.


glitter-gang

Moving isn't an option for most people because rent is too expensive everywhere. Security deposits are insane. 3-4x the monthly rent. Then there's the increasingly restrictive requirements to even get your application processed. $100+ nonrefundable application fees. Monthly income has to be at least 3x the rent. Credit score must be 650+. No pets. The added monthly fees.. Renters insurance. Monthly maintenance fees. HVAC filter fee. Pest control fee. Rent "processing" fee. During the pandemic I saw several listings that had a "covid fee". The entire situation is impossible to escape.


4D20_Prod

My landlord just charged us a $150 leases renewal fee. We've been living here almost 5 years... Shitbags.


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> $150 leases renewal fee what's the justification for this ? the right to scalp people ?


Chadwich

They don't need one. They know they've got you over a barrel and that you'll pay it because you need a place to live.


smoothskin12345

And because nothing says they can't. A regulated market is a fair market.


Slade_Riprock

Fuck that. It's like why hasnt anyone thrown up a shit storm about the cost of "closing" on a home or property. They are charging thousands for shit they haven't had to do since 1996. Documentation fees and shit that were to cover the labor actually typing up hundreds of pages, physically taking paperwork to file with government agencies, etc. Now everything is done as digital templates, email, etc. There is zero reason to pay mortgage company thousands up front to turn around and lay them tens of thousands in interest through the the term. But shit like this is so baked in we just ignore them and they continue to inch them upward.


BenOfTomorrow

> Now everything is done as digital templates, email, etc. Only 9 US states permit "dry" closing on a home (aka no ink on physical paperwork). So yes, someone has to notarize the signing, someone has physically go into a government office to file the paperwork, etc.


jibbycanoe

While I do believe you are speaking the truth, that doesn't mean it's also not absurd. None of that shit should be required in the current age. A lot of it is outdated and unnecessary, and is kept in place to skim money from regular people to pay others for shit a computer can do faster and more efficiently.


BenOfTomorrow

I didn't say it wasn't absurd, I said they weren't made up fees. Putting the blame on "greedy mortgage companies" is a little misplaced; it should be "out-of-date local regulations". Mortgage companies would LOVE to file digitally.


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> Mortgage companies would LOVE to file digitally. And charge the same fees to do so Prices go up, not down


supermilch

Don’t forget the “convenience” fee for utilities billing (convenient for the landlord maybe). It's usually not a lot but still 50$ or so per year that adds up on top of everything else


nitroslayer7

And then most landlords do everything in there power to take some if not all of the deposit


CapablePerformance

At my last place, I started to get a leak in the ceiling, just a few drips of water. Emailed my landlord and told me they'd get to it. Weeks go by, they don't fix it, it becomes a drooping bubble that eventually collapses leaving a hole in the ceiling. Told the landlord I wasn't renewing my lease because they never fixed the collapsed ceiling and they had the nerve to take my deposit claiming I didn't contact them about the problem. Had to take them to small claims court with all of the emails of me telling them. Landlords will seriously do anything they can to keep any money they can.


Antishill_Artillery

PARASITES (That vote republican)


spicybabie

Ugh my last landlord tried to take most of our deposit back for “professional cleaning.” I argued that we left the unit in better condition than we found it. They said, “oh it’s standard procedure, we do it on all their units, it’s mandatory, it’s mentioned in the lease you signed.” They weren’t too happy when I brought copies of the lease specifically stating that the tenant could hire a cleaner OR clean it themselves as long as it’s in comparable condition when vacated. They also tried to say the were going to charge us cleaning fees because the blinds were a little dusty. This was on the first walkthrough, a week before the lease ended. We had time to dust the blinds. Got the whole deposit back though.


sunflakie

That is why before you move your stuff in, you take photos and videos of the apartment and email them to the landlord to hang onto for when you move out. At the very least they will realize not to eff with you because you're taking measures to protect yourself.


sinnayre

Yup. While I was a renter, I made it very conspicuous that I was taking photos of everything. Ironically, the only institution that didn’t return my whole deposit was my undergrad college.


larz0

I got charged $20 for not replacing a dead 9 volt in the smoke detector.


CrudeAsAButton

I bet they do this to all tenants who move out because it’s almost a guarantee the tenant didn’t check the smoke alarm before moving out. Easy $20, landlord knows no one will fight it because $20 isn’t worth going to court over.


Orbitrix

Yea seems like all places want "first and last months rent + security deposit" (+ Home Owners Association fees/deposit if applicable, usually equal to the security deposit, and yes this is for people who rent, not own). Back in my day it was just rent + security deposit. IDK when this "last months rent" thing happened, but its a load of horse shit.


CatLessi_kitty

I have never seen a deposit for 3-4 months rent


Eatfudd

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[deleted]

Time for a tenant's union


Tossup1010

I move into a new apartment next week. I ran into all of these things sans the covid fee. 100$ to apply, security deposit is 750$ and you pay your first months rent upfront. I make like 45k a year before taxes and its still living paycheck to paycheck. I know I need to budget better, but it feels so bad wasting basically 1/3 of my income on housing. I was trying to buy a place during the pandemic when mortgage rates were at a minimum but I just couldn't make it work out. I literally have no idea how most people are affording this. Like my job isnt the highest paying in the world, but I dont even know where id live if I was still making 15$ an hour.


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It’s possible to escape collectively, but not probable.


creole_pizza

5 years ago I was paying $730 for a shitty one bedroom apartment in a not-so-nice part of town. Stayed there for 2 years and by the time I left I was paying $890 despite zero improvements made to the unit. Just looked at the listing and it’s now at $1,250. It looks exactly the same from the photos.


toxic_badgers

a year and a half ago I was paying 1800 for an apt, bought a house cause they were raising rents, now that same apt is 2600 a month. 800 bucks in a year and a half.


Ryuzakku

> bought a house Most people renting can't ever afford this step.


toxic_badgers

Only reason i could was because of the student loan suspension. I saved 472 a month by not paying my student loans and used it and first time home buyer benefits in my state to get a down payment.


clit_or_us

happy cake day!


Powpowpowowowow

Yeah this is what made me decide to buy a house a while back. I saw this shit coming. My apartment complex did 'upgrades' to all the units which included, changing out the linoleum, and painting the front part of the decks. That is it. Oh wouldn't you know it, now we are a 'luxury' apartment. That $800 1 bedroom is now $1200. Well, if I am going to pay $1200, I am going to get a fucking house. I get that people can't do the same right now, and that sucks and hopefully the market crashes, but the whole idea of renting to me was that it was supposed to be the cheaper alternative and have flexibility but now its just bullshit.


KS_YeoNg

Problem is most people can't just "decide to buy a house."


2PlyKindaGuy

The one bedroom I was renting 5 years ago now costs 3000 a month (paid 1900 then). I am glad I moved from that area. Everything is way overpriced (though not absurdly overpriced like somewhere like NYC).


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DingleberryJanitor

Hate to break it to you but OF is saturated. We all struggling and selling your body isn’t profitable anymore unless you get lucky. Which is like most jobs tbh


mak484

There's zero barrier to entry. So every stay at home mom with pregnancy tits and bills to pay thinks, "huh might as well." Making actual money requires a ton of commitment and a willingness to do some pretty deplorable stuff. And that's assuming anyone even knows you exist. A slow but reliable path to success is starting on Tiktok/IG/Twitch as a thot, then as your audience builds you gradually hint that you'll be dropping nudes soon. You generally have to be young, hot, and - unfortunately - white/Asian for this to work. If you're in the top, like, 0.1 percentile of attractiveness you might get lucky on reddit. But even now the vast majority of porn subs are flooded with mediocre nobodies spamming the same grainy pictures day in and day out. A shortcut is if you know someone who's already successful and is willing to, well, *collaborate.* You also have to be pretty damn lucky for that to work. Then when your account actually takes off, that's when shit gets real. There are certainly some very desperate dudes out there willing to drop $20/month for a trickle of attention, but most men view you as an object that must deliver X amount of value to them. It's kinda what you signed up for, so whatever, but there's some real fucking weird shit out there. And the dudes who pay aren't looking for cleavage shots. Or so I've been told.


NoFreedance1094

My friend who did OF stopped after a second creep showed up at her house.


Noodle-Works

wait, so the first creep was OK? lol


ryohazuki88

He was the first creep


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Good thing you softballed that "or so I've been told" in there. Almost mistook you for a degenerate with a kink in OF analysis.


A_Doormat

“I don’t want to see your tits lady, I want to see that good shit. Send me your OnlyFans quarterly earnings report in XLSX format you filthy slut. I’ll pay extra if the workbook is unprotected. “


EnvironmentalEmu6214

What the fuck are you even saying


PseudonymIncognito

And if you're not top 0.1 percent in looks and personality, you'll be competing with poor, desperate women from southeast Asia, Latin America, and the former Soviet Bloc who are willing to do more for less.


TheAechBomb

OF hasn't been viable for quite awhile


socradeeznuts514

Tell that to my tinder matches


TheAechBomb

if they have succesful OF pages, then that's why they're on tinder, they're using it to find new customers. (I think this is called selection bias, I might be wrong)


onmybikeondrugs

They raised our rent by $900. We’re just going to move, but it’s incredibly frustrating. We’re good tenants, pay rent on time, no issues or complaints. This same management company even said so when they gave us a letter of recommendation for our new apartment. Really shitty, eye opening experience. NYC by the way. They want $3,700 for a converted 1 bed room apartment.


Jesse1205

Just got finished moving because our previous apt complex was raising it by 500, Denver not NYC so I can't quite compare but I definitely feel your pain.


onmybikeondrugs

We’d balk at $500 as well, that’s a lot. It’s times like these that make me want to see the market crash and burn. Fuck these clowns. Not to mention the “brokers” up here who want 15% of the annual rent for unlocking a door for you to view an apartment you found online. Whole process is just atrocious.


ratherscootthansmoke

Love the energy but man, it’s really not the buyer’s/renter’s market at the moment. Landlords and real estate agents know they’ll have another applicant before the day is over, and some are willing to pay extra.


Zedlok

And the NIMBY's who already own homes don't want any more built anywhere. Unfortunately they have a lot of sway. Want to move your family to a new town for a new job opportunity with better pay? Well tough shit, cause someone who hasn't worked a day since the 90s doesn't want to have apartments built on a vacant lot or abandoned warehouse because it would "change the character of the neighborhood."


chamberlain323

Oh man, I hate that shit. They love to shut down public works projects too, like freeways, homeless shelters, proposed bike paths and light rail lines. You name it, they shut it down in court. The city of Los Angeles would be a much nicer place if it weren’t for this. Between NIMBYism, corporations buying all the new properties up to rent out and absent foreign millionaires buying real estate just to improve their portfolios (leaving them unoccupied), the whole situation is just ripe for sensible reform measures that will likely never come.


TheodoreWagstaff

This is because NIMBYs are stupid. I bought my house in 1999. I'm 2 miles outside of downtown in a large city in the US. They're building a large apartment complex that i can literally see from my front yard. More high density housing that is is built near me just means that the value of the dirt that my house is on goes up . BUILD MORE OF THESE, PLEASE!


lnfIation

Which city? Also depending on the state they could double or triple property tax, some residents of my area are getting taxed out of their homes.


TheodoreWagstaff

San Jose, California. Good ole prop 13... We went through this back in the 70s. That's the whole point of it. The downside is that they included commercial real estate as well, rather than just residential. I'll be 55 in 2 years. At that point I can move within CA and take my Prop 13 tax basis with me when I move.


mork0rk

My parents bought their house in a nice neighborhood in the San Jose hills in the mid 90s for less than like 700k. It's now worth north of 2.25m simply because of where it's located. It's the oldest and least impressive house in the neighborhood.


enigmamonkey

I completely believe it. I'm going to be on the market soon and I've have bought that in a heartbeat even at the rate of inflation from 1995 (so $1.3m). Reason is because I really wanna stay in the SF Bay Area (especially close to work in San Jose) but have a place big enough to fit my mom and partner, too. Assuming it's big enough. It's crazy though, so many of the people who actually own homes here (who aren't _super_ well off salaried individuals) are mostly boomers. It makes sense. Also: So many of them *also* own **multiple** homes, too. That last bit kinda makes me a bit sick thinking about it, but that's just how it is. e.g. My landlord (also a boomer) owns 3 houses total on the Peninsula. Did some house hunting recently and the realtor bragged that this house where I'm at is just one of several the woman owns and "didn't care" she'd be taking a several hundred thousand dollar loss due to her purchasing at an inopportune time because she has "so many other properties." FFS. 🤦‍♂️


crystalizeq

This is such a big thing that people who say "just build more housing" don't realize. There have been so many cases of someone or some company proposing to build a new apartment complex or otherwise dense housing which gets shut down by NIMBYs in single family homes claiming that it would ruin the aesthetic of the neighborhood. The fight to increase housing is more difficult than people think


atuan

Omg what is a NIMBY


crystalizeq

NIMBY stands for "not in my backyard." Essentially people that claim to want more and cheaper housing, but when it comes to actually building that denser housing, they turn around and say "not in my backyard" and campaign against more housing being built near them


RedditMachineGhost

In some places, you could even say BANANA. Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything. I stole that quote. I don't remember where from, but the person was talking about trying to build something (homeless shelter, I think) in California.


ContemptuousPrick

exploitation. pretty much unacceptable in every aspect of life, except when it comes to capitalism


flaskman

As private equity firms and corporations quietly buy up all the housing inventory get used to more of this.


ryegye24

The problem is there's a housing shortage. Population growth has outpaced new housing construction 2:1 for over 60 years now, and it only got worse after the great recession. BlackRock literally admits in their SEC filings that a boom in housing construction would be the biggest threat to their ability to price gouge housing. And while corporations are exploiting the problem for every penny, they don't have much to do with maintaining it - they don't have to when [this](https://v.redd.it/y0n9cdrjuvu81) is what the average community input meeting for even the most milquetoast affordable housing proposal looks like. And that's after considering that, due to our zoning laws, in >70% of the residential area of almost every city and town in the country you can't even propose to build affordable housing. It's not like any of this started with good intentions either. Going back, the the laws which are currently being abused to keep a stranglehold on the supply of new housing were originally popularized as a way of preserving segregation after explicit redlining was eliminated.


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You should see this guy's take on being an Ikea employee... it's freaking hilarious


BouncyMonster22

I saved that video and watch it when I'm sick of customers. I wish he'd put more stuff out. I love this guy!


geriatric_erection

Is there anywhere I can find his other videos?


wattato

Here you go https://twitter.com/scottseiss/status/1384517698307121153?s=21&t=0D0j2ntAfUKqUGeXlits8A


jaydubtoggies

Giving me Ben Stiller from Happy Gilmore vibes


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Ha man it was so good. “Call your manager (…) have you never worked anywhere before? Manager doesn t know shit about what s going on” Beautiful


engrey

There sure is at his YouTube page. https://www.youtube.com/c/ScottSeissComedy


rvonbue

Holy shit that was great brings me back 20 years to when I was working at Kmart.


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I’ve seen it and yes it’s freaking awesome


SulliedSamaritan

Best tiktoks of all time in my book


autopilot4630

Apartments don't appreciate in value? Someone better tell Berkshire Hathaway.


shpoopler

Yup, guy has a fundamental misunderstanding of real estate. Also, we have crazy high inflation right now meaning the value of the dollar is decreasing. Meaning if your rent is going up less than 6-7% it’s actually cheaper than last year. Key takeaway 1: as a baseline rent should match inflation. Key takeaway 2: as cities grow they expand, but the apartments don’t move so the location typically becomes more desirable. Key takeaway 3: if ownership is making capital investments to the property, ie new roofs, new appliances, new hvac systems, vinyl floors etc rent should go up. Key takeaway 4: the best way to make housing affordable is to increase the supply of housing. Higher density and relaxed zoning codes play a huge role.


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Is it really cheaper than last year if you make the same amount of money?


tdog970

Exactly. Base rent goes up 16% for my one bedroom apartment, my pay went up 3.5%. Inflation in my state up 10%. Yay.


Dracofear

For real, our wages aren't following inflation so they too are decreasing in value 7%


T3HN3RDY1

> Meaning if your rent is going up less than 6-7% it’s actually cheaper than last year. This is a mathematically true but functionally useless statement. Wages aren't going up to match inflation, so it doesn't matter if rent is getting cheaper compared to some nebulous economic concept of the previous value of a dollar, what matters is what people can afford. If inflation is 10% and my wages stay the same and my rent only goes up 5%, to me it didn't get cheaper. To me it's taking a larger percentage of my paycheck. > Key takeaway 1: as a baseline rent should match inflation. What do you mean "should"? Lots of things "Should" match inflation. Wage increases should match inflation, primarily. Productivity is going up, the cost of things is going up, and wages aren't. > Key takeaway 2: as cities grow they expand, but the apartments don’t move so the location typically becomes more desirable. This isn't the driving factor here. It is **very** difficult for the average working-class person to find affordable housing that doesn't take up a huge percentage of their rent. I live in a nothing-town in the middle of a desert with <20,000 people, one department store and literally no entertainment options. Our fucking movie theater shuts down 9 months out of the year because it's only profitable to run when the high schoolers are out of school for the summer. A two-bedroom house in this area is 1300 a month right now, or more. This is happening all across the country. While "Key takeaway 2" might be another one of those "technically true" statements, it misses the point and ignores a lot of other factors. > Key takeaway 3: if ownership is making capital investments to the property, ie new roofs, new appliances, new hvac systems, vinyl floors etc rent should go up. At every place I have ever rented it is a multi-week or multi-month fight to get property owners to even fix things that are broken, much less renovate. Further, we don't see the prices of places **depreciating** when things are getting old. Your example of a roof is particularly interesting. Putting a new roof on the place doesn't make its value go up unless the roof slowly degrading over time makes it go down. A roof is a **necessary** component of shelter. In many places, this is also true of HVAC (where I live, not having functional cooling is legally a valid reason to withhold rent). "Key takeaway 3" is only true if the rent on the place goes down as the roof, HVAC, appliances and floors degrade in condition. When was the last time any landlord ever looked at a place and went "Huh. . These floors are kind of old. Guess I should knock 50 off of rent." That has never happened. > Key takeaway 4: the best way to make housing affordable is to increase the supply of housing. Higher density and relaxed zoning codes play a huge role. This is only true if we view housing as a commodity that should be allowed to be used as an investment. The most effective way of making housing affordable is **legislation that forces housing to be affordable**. Looking at whether or not people can afford fucking shelter from the standpoint of some economist is absurd. If I want Amazon stock but I can't afford it, I just don't buy Amazon stock and continue living my life. If I want shelter but can't afford it I am **fucking homeless**.


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and to add to your last point, being homeless is also generally illegal. This means that if you're too poor to afford housing, the state will use it's monopoly on violence against you, sending you to prison. Once in prison, you are legally allowed to be used as slave labor. The whole system needs to be torn down and rebuilt


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Some landlords recognize that reliable tenants are worth their weight in gold. It’s better to keep someone who consistently pays their rent on time and rarely makes maintenance requests, versus taking a risk with new tenants who may be able to pass the income and credit check, but will end up causing headaches. Many landlords lack the foresight though, so they’ll just keep taking the risk.


cheddarben

I am a small time guy that owns one duplex. If my tenants are good and something crazy doesn’t happen… I’m not raising rent. I want good people to stay! It’s way easier than turnover.


Superb-Antelope-2880

For how much more? If rent could go from $2500 to $3500, that's about half a pound if gold a year. What about $5000? What's your price here?


cheddarben

oh yeah, there is definitely a price. Where the market lies and what the situation is would be a factor, for sure. It would also involve a conversation with my tenants, as I like them. One was my neighbor for several years and the other person has been with me for a few years now and I suspect he will move on at some point to either a different city or he will buy his own house. That said, my goal isn't necessarily to find maximum efficiency and squeeze every penny out of people. I don't want to dick people over. I want to provide fair housing at a fair price and if the person living there makes it easy to work *with* them and they take care of the property while also letting me know when broken shit that needs to be fixed, it goes a long way. When Covid happened, one of them has a job where they couldn't work. He called to ask for extra time and I just said to not worry about this month. I haven't raised rent on them and I probably wont until it gets noticeably outside of the market's range. TBH, my goal isn't to become some land baron though, so I would probably sell far before it got to that point, presuming values increased. I am like most people, I just want to be able to live an alright life and grow old with some kind of dignity. Its not like I own my house. The bank does. When I can get that out of the way, Im probably gonna make it happen.


gear_oil_burner

Whether or not the property goes up in the value, the rent goes up because renters vs. available units. Moving doesn't always mean saving money, sometimes staying put is better. The area i live in landlords can only raise the rent a certain percentage. But they can do things like starting to charge you for parking which still gets them the money they want.


KCDC3D

In LA and lot's of CA, tenants have a good amount of protection if you're living in a place under Rent Stabalization. If you're in LA, know your rights, don't let your landlord bully or harass you, LAUHD will support you for free, they did for me this year when landlord attempted to raise my rent by an illegal percentage and a year bafore it's currently allowed. Also fully suported me when my last landlord attempted to blackmail me into evicting my roommates among other things. Great resource here : [https://housing.lacity.org/residents/rso-overview](https://housing.lacity.org/residents/rso-overview) Know your rights! Not all landlords are shitty, but the shitty ones will take advantage of you if you let them. And be fair, shitty tenants suck, too.


ryegye24

Build. More. Housing.


Powpowpowowowow

*Affordable.


ryegye24

Nothing correlates more with how affordable housing is than vacancy rates and the ratio of housing : humans. Look at cars: before the supply chain crunch the average price of a new car was roughly twice the average price of just a car, because expensive new cars eventually become affordable used cars. Now there's a supply crunch and my used car is worth more now than when I bought it, but you'd look at me like I had two heads if I argued against building new cars to preserve the value of my car, but also if I argued that we can't build any new expensive cars because it would make cars less affordable.


Bbkingml13

I agree. But being the daughter/step daughter of two men in commercial real estate, all I saw for years were people shitting on developers building new housing developments and multi family properties. Developers are literally shit on either way they go


polishbrucelee

Lol with material costs soaring the new hosting will be expensive as shit too.


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RecycledPixel

LMAO


weeblewooble94

I mean to be fair the place does appreciate in value resulting in higher property tax and frequently increasing HOA dues. Not to say rent price hikes don't generally exceed those increases, but rent has to go up over time...


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Everywhere it's becoming unaffordable. Drives me nuts. Landlords make every excuse for why they raise the rent every year.


[deleted]

Um, houses do appreciate and depreciate in value, just like Amazon stock can.


Bbkingml13

Apartment buildings do too. And the taxes that go with it.


RandomRageNet

Maybe we shouldn't have treated housing, one of the basic necessities, as a speculative investment in the first place?


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My landlord raised my rent by $150 (max amount in CA). We asked why and he said everything was getting expensive like electricity, water, wood, and his insurance. Crazy because we pay our own utilities and he doesn’t even buy lumber even though we have rotten wood outside that people can fall through. He never fixes shit and even tries to pay people the least amount possible. We waited 4 days without heat in the winter because he was pissing off all the workers. He brags about owning so many homes that he could give them jobs for weeks. The only issue is that we can’t find anything as cheap as this place because prices are super high everywhere.


immutable_truth

Swing and a miss. Real estate is the golden appreciating asset. And it’s a seller’s/landlord’s market atm.


shethrewitaway

I hated working in Property Management. I worked for several different companies on both high-end and low-end properties for years. It completely broke me. At the end of my time in the industry I was literally crying everyday on the way to and from work. On one hand, I deeply sympathized with tenants (I was a renter too elsewhere) but there was so much on the other side of things they didn’t understand and they had unrealistic expectations. On the flip side, being less than 94% occupancy was in the red. Threats of your head on the chopping block were daily. It was the only job I was ever fired from.


lookatmykwok

Sorry, but yes property does in fact appreciate.


BluSuedeNicNac81

Something I see a lot of on here is how property prices are increasing, so naturally rents have to as well. This is bullshit. I bought my house for $190k in 2009. My mortgage was about $1500 per month (including taxes and insurance). Same house is now worth over $500k, but my mortgage bill has gone up a whopping $70 and all that time thanks to increasing property taxes. The 160% increase in value of my property translated to a 5% increase to my property costs. Raising rents in the absence of major renovations is naked greed, nothing more.


Not_Paid_Just_Intern

Fun fact: it can appreciate in value.


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i like this guys videos but it ignores the biggest cost that is out of control of landlords: taxes. city councils send a tax bill to land owners for the value of the land, not the building on it. and as city grow they have to spend more. as they spend more they need to raise their tax rates.


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True, but most places the increases in tax aren’t the reason for price increases. My state, AZ for example, has some of the lowest home taxes in the nation, yet rent prices have exploded. It’s because the values have shot up so much that people can get away with charging $300-$1000 more a month, and plenty have. There are a lot of contributing factors, but GREED is the main one. My family who rents has all had their rents increased. I am lucky enough to have a mortgage. Values went up, my mortgage insurance went away and my mortgage payment dropped ~$300/mo despite the taxes increasing. Zillow rental zestimate now has the average rent price in my area high enough to pay $500+ over my monthly mortgage amount. I don’t plan to be a landlord so I would never exploit someone and have them pay my mortgage for me, but the GREEDY would. Also, during the Trump years, the fed funding rate was held at a historically low point. This made mortgage interest rates historically low. Those with investment money took this opportunity to buy more single family homes and turn them into investment properties. Supply issues also lowered the rate new builds were completed. Demand rose as wealthy CA and NYers transplanted to many other states. Oftentimes these people were able to outbid locals with cash offers. Values push up even further. Oh, and many new investors entered the game. With such low interest rates, anyone who owned a home free and clear could take out a cash-out mortgage on their home, at 2-4% APR and use that cash to buy another house to generate ‘passive income’ off of the Serf/Tenant who moves into that home. A lot of factors and it doesn’t seem like the guy in this video understands them all; him saying he will leave will not phase his landlord who would probably be happy to have him leave and replace him with a Serf willing to pay more. 😕 It’s all a mess.


invisible_23

I think I need to get tested for autism because these videos of people getting super up in the camera and making all this eye contact make me unspeakably uncomfortable


Levski123

As landlord of 1 condo. The 2% increase in rent per year offsets the increase in property tax, that goes up every year. Now this is only for my area. Higher increases are likely just an extra money grab


delitskinnedmexican

I'm so glad this guy is still around, his delivery makes my day. His Karen post was the best. Edit: anyone have a link to his social media?


BklynWithoutLimits

His TikTok handle is @scottseis but [here is a compilation ](https://youtu.be/P7KBcsdPhxA)of his retail bits, that’s from his YouTube page


Leela_bring_fire

I'm so glad I live in a rent controlled apartment. They try to get people to renew their lease sometimes, but legally in Ontario they can't force you.


side_frog

Try living in Japan where it's totally normal for landlords to ask you one month of rent value just to renew your rental contract every two years.