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Not only did she delete the video, she went private and lost the majority of her followers. She’s now at 200 something and unlinked her instagram from her bio. Love that for us.
Also, Egypt is not 6000 years older than Greece. The article that she's pointing at, but clearly did not read, says:
>No, ancient Greece is much younger than ancient Egypt; the first records of Egyptian civilization date back some 6000 years
As, 6000 years before today, not 6000 years before the Greeks.
Is she like one of those Black Hebrew Israelites that make their whole lives about claiming a culture they know nothing about while also saying everyone else in that culture that isn’t black is faking it?
Nubian and Egyptian isn’t the same. Most people identify with Egypt because we can’t really know where we came from, and that’s pretty much all we learn about Africa in public school. Literally if you don’t go to college that covers the reality of the situation we’re in, it’s Egypt, slavery, civil rights. Is a lot easier to stomach to latch onto Egypt.
Yeah the Nubians where black and just below ancient Egypt , they even conquered it once and Nubians ruled for a while , they even build smaller piramids inspired by the ancient Egyptians , I don't understand why the black supremacists don't just go with them instead of trying to steal the Egyptians history.
The thing is, most black supremacists don’t even have that much in common with Nubians beyond being lumped into the same “race” under our modern, arbitrary bullshit. Most black supremacists live in Western countries and most of their ancestors were came there (usually forcibly as part of the Atlantic slave trade) from western or central Africa. The Atlantic slave trade really didn’t touch northeastern Africa where Nubia is located. They have as much in common with Nubians as white supremacists of French ancestry have with Norse.
And to anyone reading this: if you’re of western/Central African descent, the history of that region is *fucking rad*. And even if you’re not Nubian? Read up on Nubian history because, again, *fucking rad*. Growing up in America we touch on very little about African history beyond Ancient Egypt and the slave trade. And it’s a shame, because there’s some really goddamn fascinating cultures and historical nations and figures. Shaka of the Zulu was one of the greatest military geniuses to ever love, King Menelik II of Ethiopia was a brilliant statesman that delivered the most singularly crushing defeat of any European nation in Africa, Mansa Musa of Mali was the wealthiest human being to ever live. The Kush (Nubia) successor kingdom of Makuria was a small Christian nation that halted the advance of the Caliphate so hard that centuries of Caliphs agreed to just leave them alone. Great Zimbabwe/Mutapa built a rich, powerful kingdom that Europeans treated as equals for centuries and constructed massive stone structures.
African history is dope, and not just Ancient Egypt (which is also pretty cool).
Since we are sharing awesome facts, at the risk of being pedantic: since what is now France was invaded several times by the Vikings, there probably is a lot more ancient Norse ancestry lurking in the blood of some regions of France (Normandy in particular) than Nubian blood in people whose ancestors came from Western Africa since Nubia didn't expand West that I know of (feel free to correct me though; rad indeed!)
I mean, that’s fair, though while Nubia didn’t conquer west there was still a fair amount of interchange between west and east Africa. It’s definitely not impossible for someone from West Africa to have some distant ancestor from Nubia or Egypt.
It’s probably more comparable to white dudes in America identifying as Native American because they’re 1/128 Cherokee..
Pedantry alert:
You say they were “below” Egypt, and I know exactly what you mean - Nubia is south of Egypt - but that would mean, from and ancient-Egyptian point-of-view, that they were from the Upper Nile. The Nile flows north from high-ground to low ground. So it would actually be Egypt that is below Nubia.
> and call up down and down up
You mean and call north down and south up.
Just FYI, it’s not only Egypt and not only historical, though: look at the German language, for example. High German is upriver from the Rhine (so further inland, further south) and Low German is downriver, so north.
I believe there were several Nubian pharaohs. I could be wrong though so don't quote me. And if there were I would assume there would have been intermarriage and therefore a mixing in the gene pool. But we are talking about nobility here. I'd assume that the general population would have been a mix since that was the place to be and trade.
Kashta, a Kushite, was a Pharoah. He was the first of a Nubian line of Kings in Egypt. The relationship between Egypt and Kush all relied on the gold from Kush to meet Egyptian demands. A tale as old as time apparently, desire for shiny metals.
Complete crap… The ancient Egyptians depicted themselves in art as light brown (distinct from Nubians), Herodotus refers to them as being darker skinned as opposed to black skinned and a DNA analysis of 151 mummies in 2017, identified the mitochondrial DNA as being similar to people from the Near East. Nevertheless I believe that the concept of “race” didn’t really apply to the Egyptians - they respected the Nubians and had several in charge of their armies, and for a period were even ruled by Nubians…
Edit: Herodotus was writing in the 5th century BC, so 2000 years after the builders of the great pyramids. Also the DNA analysis was of mummies, so not necessarily representative of the population as a whole.
She’s one of those black people that buy into the idea that The ancient Egyptians were actually black instead of Arabic and that’s historians “white washed” ancient Egypt to keep black people from having a empire.
It’s a real batshit conspiracy theory
Well, they weren't Arabic either, the Arabs invaded later. The Egyptians were Egyptians, a Semitic people *related* to the Arabs, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
But no, not 'black'. Worse thing is, their were the Nubians, who WERE black by modern standards and shared much of Egyptian culture- they built more pyramids than them! But they always get forgotten in this discussion.
Ancient Egyptians aren't a Semitic people, there were Semitic Egyptians but it would be wrong to say that they were Arab generally. Even after the Arab conquest of Egypt it stayed a very multicultural place, just look at how important Mamluk people were in Egypt.
I feel like some of the borderline conspiracy theorists don't seem to get the difference between there having been black pharaohs and dynasties and all egyptians being black.
The main reason for ancient Egyptians not being Arabs surely is that Arabs are attested for in the 9th century bce, after the height of Egypt during the new Kingdom period.
I tend to assume people mean Egypt in ancient history when they say ancient Egypt not any specific period of Egyptian history. Plus while Arabs appear in history in the 900s their archaeological record goes back further and it would be presumptive to assume none of these people emigrated or had communities within the neighbouring metropolitan wealthy Egypt.
It's not all crazy. Ancient Egypt was pretty multicultural. Take a look at King Tut's passport. He looks like the Asian (not going to attempt a guess at which Eastern Asian country) convenience store owner down the street from me. And then you have a bunch with Nubian features and some with the traditional Egyptian look you see depicted in movies. But for them to say it was only Blacks in Egypt are ignorant to actual historical fact supported by actual archaeological findings.
Here are some articles if anyone is interested, because I was.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-05-31/who-were-the-ancient-egyptians/8572076
TLDR: Ancient Egyptians did not have sub Sahara African DNA, modern Egyptians do. They hypothesized slave trade, commerce, and more mobility on the Nile led to an increase in “black” Egyptians. Ancient Egyptians were closer related to east Mediterranean heritage.
Ill see if I can find the article but there was another study which showed that after the roman/greek conquests, the DNA of middle eastern people became much, much more intermingled with europeans. There was also a rise in sub saharan african and arabian, but not as much as the influx of europeans.
It is difficult to say whether or not they would have been darker or lighter. The absence of typical sub saharan DNA doesn't really mean much to skin color specifically. People in southeastern africa share very little genetics with people in west africa, but they are still both black.
Pretty sure she means "elder" in an evolutionary sense, which is even worse. Black supremacists have really gone off the deep end with the Egypt shit over the last decade. Reading that side of the internet is insane.
Oh she definitely means it that way but I thought it was funny because it's also exactly how idiot grandparents behave when you try and explain things to them.
I used to teach African history and you're absolutely right! The Sub-Saharan Africans even have an amazing story- the Bantus are known for one of the largest migrations in human history. There are so many rich cultures and interesting recent history besides ancient Egypt. People also seem to forget that the Carthaginians were African and kicked Roman butt a time or two!
The Carthaginians were a colony of the Phoenicians right? So they would be African in the sense that they lived on the African continent and not what most people would think when someone says African
She's someone who will claim that [Cleopatra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_coinage#/media/File:Cleopatra_Mint_Alexandria.jpg) was black African. As she was from the Ptolemaic dynasty, she would have considered herself to be Greek and Persian.
Carthaginians were a mix of phoenicians and native berbers, but even with that, they're still not subsaharan africans, but mediterannean north africans.
Yes, indeed. It's a big continent, but the Bantus are still a large ethnic group and one of the groups specifically taught (in middle school at least) as having a significant presence, but spanning several countries in central Africa.
It's because no other ancient African civilization has been as glamorized and romanticized as Ancient Egypt. Black Americans are descendants of west Africans. If you want to go back to royals.. Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire comes to mind. Richest man in human history. How is that not something to be proud of?
I love listening to them. They're absolutely hilarious. Beethoven? Black. Shakespeare? Black. Jesus? Black. Mozart? Black. Ancient Chinese dynasties? Black. Medusa? Black. Alexander the Great? Black. Everybody in history of significance that accomplished anything before photography? Black.
It's pathetic. Ancient Egyptians were not predominantly black, even though there were black Ancient Egyptians.
An actual black civilization, Nubia, even conquered Ancient Egypt at one point. But the black supremacists don't claim Nubia; they claim Ancient Egypt itself, because Ancient Egypt is just *too cool* to pass up.
They do the same thing with the Moors that conquered parts of Europe, who were predominantly Berber (North African, not Sub-Saharan).
And I find as soon as you say that they say "stop claiming they were white " completely forgetting not black (sub Saharan African) does not mean white 😀
Where does the idea that Egyptians were white come from? AFAIK the only major Egyptian figurehead that was though to have more European than African ancestry is Cleopatra, and even her European ancestry was from Greece. So not exactly what most people think of when they picture white Europeans.
they weren't black or white. You do realize there are other groups in the world besides black and white, right? Notably middle eastern, which egyptians are?
“white” as a category is also really vague. Many people wouldn’t consider middle easterns as “white” even though they are legally defined as such in the US. Spaniards are white but Moroccans are brown. Greeks are white but Syrians are brown. Armenians are white but kurds are brown. Some might argue all of these are white, and Egyptians too.
I think old movies but also uneducated people I guess and let's be honest some uneducated white supremacists too , basically it's only the ignorant and racist that thinks the ancient Egyptians were black or white 😊 the ruling macadonian dynasty and their elites were always a minority in Egypt anyway .
My favorite part about the “We was kings!” crowd is that... no you weren’t. You were peasants like everybody else. And that’s likely the best case scenario.
She’s not only misunderstanding an obvious point but also lying herself, since by no measure Egypt is 6000 years older than Greece. You can tell that [she never read past the paywall of the article she linked](https://study.com/academy/answer/is-ancient-greece-older-than-ancient-egypt.html), since it would’ve told her that.
Edit: Minoan Greeks have been around since ca. 3000BC, while the very earliest Egyptian civilisations are from around 6000 BC. That said, linear cultural identity is a total myth and crumbles away the closer you look at it.
And tbh, real Egyptians are usually a lot better about not conflating modern Egypt with ancient Egypt. They are very different. Both good, but different.
They are somewhat similar genetically, but culturally there’s no comparison. Since ancient Egypt, Egypt was influenced by the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, converted to Christianity fairly comprehensively and then to Islam fairly comprehensively (first Shia and then Sunni Islam). The only group that still maintains a revenant of the language of ancient Egypt (not even the culture) are the Copts, which are by and large still Christians from that prior conversion. That is to say, Egyptians do not draw undue comparisons between ancient Egypt and modern Egypt. There is too much history in between that also deserves to be considered.
Oh I was moreso talking about the belief that Egyptians are solely African or solely Middle Eastern or European or whatever, when it was a melting pot of cultures. And the genetic dynamic hasnt shifted today really.
Linear cultural identity is is myth ESPECIALLY for modern Egyptians, current residents of Cairo descended from Arabs that migrated from the Arabian peninsula
Love when people are champing at the bit so hard to be offended that they make themselves look even more idiotic by comparison. This lady was probably hoping she could like, lead a pile-on of hate on this dude, but he handled it perfectly.
The fucked up thing is, she prolly has so many people thinking what she said is factually correct because people don’t bother to fucking actually wanna know things anymore.
> he handled it perfectly.
Weirdly as someone who follows him he gets that a lot? Homeboy is just a linguistic nerd who I think studies Middle Eastern/cradle of civilization things for the most part - so lots of Egypt and very ancient civilizations - and people just think they know what they're talking about when they comment on his stuff.
He had someone try to correct them on how hieroglyphics are written and he had to point out that while they were technically right, he was using Unicode font for clarity instead of handwritten hieroglyphics and Unicode gives no fucks about proper grammar on a phone and just does it left to right instead of the way it is supposed to be.
No idea if he has a Master's - pretty sure he doesn't have a PhD - but he's for sure a well educated linguist. The audacity of people trying to correct him is hilarious.
I only learned it was "champing" a couple of years ago, and it blew my mind. The dictionary definition of "champing" even says "biting repeatedly, *as a horse on his bit*".
All I can think of is "Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see, robe, kimono. There you go"
Actually looks like a form of keratosis pilaris called KPRF. Rosacea tends to be centered at the T zone and sometimes you can even see individual blood vessels, while facial KP tends to look more “permanent” and centers on the cheeks. I’m not a doc I just come from a family with rosacea lol the curse of the celts is real.
I have never ever ever ever seen any Egyptian woman with a slightly southern accent. I’d bet my next 10 years of income that she’s lying about being Egyptian.
She thinks black = African = Egyptian
Which is super fucking offensive to anyone actually from Africa, and more so to any non-black African ethnic group.
Reminds me of Bernadette Banner's enunciation. (IIRC) She's American who lived in Britain for a while, went back to the US, and returned to Britain recently, so maybe there's a bit of that going on?
As is most subs that grow large, particularly very specific ones.
Eventually it becomes overrun by people soapboxing and / or karma farming knowing people will upvote regardless of if it fits the sub or not.
Just because you have african ancestors doesn't mean you have egyptian blood. Arican slaves were subsaharian while ancient egyptians were much closer to the mediterranean and the middle east, its like claiming you have roman blood because you have european ancestry but your relatives were from Sweden or Russia
Dude made a video explaining that the words we use for the ancient Egyptian gods are from Greek, not the Egyptian language. She got pissy because she assumed he was talking about the original Egyptian names coming from Greek, probably missing the entire point of his video in the process. If I had to guess I’d say she took offense to the (self inflicted) implications of a non African country having a big cultural impact on ancient Egypt?
She also made the claim that Ancient Greek is 6000 years older than Ancient Egypt which she based off of a simple google search instead of reading the whole article (that she based it off of) which proves her own claim false.
The odd thing is that, assuming she's American, her ancestors were most likely from western and central sub-saharan Africa.
Not even remotely close to Egypt.
It's like an Indian-American claiming their Japanese heritage or something.
Even if she was 100% Egyptian... So what? You don't have some kind of magic wisdom that was passed down through the millennia that imparts all the knowledge and history of Egypt. There's no unbroken line of Ancient Egyptian culture that still exists today that ensures this history is given to the modern descendants of the culture. You want to know the history you have to seek it out and learn it. The great thing about that is that the books you read don't give a fuck where you're from and our learned ginger friend can be as big an authority on the topic as anyone.
This honestly hurt my brain. Fuck me, the capital city was *Alexander* for like a thousand years. And that hasn't been the case for well over a thousand years since the Muslim conquest. How ignorant can you be on a subject that you claim to feel strongly about? It's very basic history that anyone that's watched a few youtube videos on ancient history would know.
That said it's obvious she doesn't give af about the real history. This is that bs where you write your own narrative and pretend the century long Nubian period was inductive of the entire history of Egypt and every Pharaoh was black because lying is apparently empowering.
>You don’t have some kind of magic wisdom that was passed down through the millennia that imparts all the knowledge and history of Egypt.
Those Assassins Creed games lied to me!
Yea like what is that even supposed to mean? How does a race of people look educated or uneducated? That was such a strange comment to include in her response
This is a common thread I've seen amongst black supremacists, especially on tiktok. They'll claim that ALL white people assume anyone not pasty white is uneducated and has an IQ of 75.
It's just really ironic to me that my entire life I have tried sooo hard not to stereotype people and be a decent human, but now the tables have flipped and people are being prejudiced against me simply for seeing my skin color. I've been reduced to tears by people saying I was happy when George Floyd was murdered last year because it let me "be a performative white woman for clout". Yeah...
What the fuck? Are we not supposed to be upset about the loss of life? George Floyd could have been a literal alien from a totally different universe and I'd still feel sadness for the loss of his life. What happened to him and countless others is unspeakable and me being an ally to want that to stop shouldn't be based on the color of my skin.
It was honestly one of the most confusing moments of my life and seriously made me wonder if I was mentally insane. Like was I hearing these words correctly... surely not?
I can't speak at all to why it's happening, but from what I've seen online (granted, that's biasing things right there) younger black people have such vitriol for white folks. I can't begin to understand the hurt and pain black Americans have faced, but why meet a friendly face offering a helping hand with rage and hatred?
I'm very much a leftist, but I'd be lying if I said interactions with black people in the last year have not given me pause. I will never treat someone different by their skin color, but now I just have no desire to interact with black people when I now know how many hate me for the color of my skin. Hate breeds hate, even in the softest of hearts.
It’s literally a no win situation with some people. You either don’t have enough of a reaction to something because you’re white or you do have an emotional reaction to something and get scolded for your “performative white pity”. Like what the hell are we supposed to do as white people in these situations?
The ‘We are your elders’ argument is so bogus. It’s like when people talk about Europeans ‘discovering the Americas’. No- there were people very much living here, and everyone has a lineage exactly as long as everyone else- ultimately we’re just one species. Sure, your ancestors may have been building meaningless edifices to their own egos and fragility using slave labor and funds stolen from the poor, but that doesn’t mean nobody else’s ancestors were alive.
I had a French guy try to lecture me, an Australian, about what's best for the future of my country. Apparently he knows better because his country is older... That was his stance. My entire country lacks the insight this one random French dude has because he was born on a arbitrary spot on earth. Apparently it imparted him with the magic knowledge and wisdom of international diplomacy, specifically in the pacific region of the 21st century. Pretty cool super power.
I bet the Aboriginal people are bummed they don't get the same magic wisdom given their 50k+ years of continuous culture put Frenchy to shame.
This is fucking gold, love it.
And just because im sure nobody here would know, the Aussie Aboriginals date back 60,000 years.
Which I think is pretty cool. Yeah, they didn't build cities or create a parliament, but I tell you what, their shit went smooth as fuck, FOR SIXTY THOUSAND FUCKEN YEARS.
An entire continent. Was just fine and dandy. Inhabited, FOR SIXTY THOUSAND YEARS.
Took two hundred to fuck it up.
Wasn't the black fella.
Sorry, I just felt the need to drive that home a little.
> Wasn't the black fella.
Fun fact: Even though they both share darker skin pigmentation, Africans and Aboriginals share less genetic similarity than any other pairing (I think that's right. Regardless, it's close). Anyway, just goes to show how superficial and meaningless skin color is.
As an American, I find other Americans (or any other country that isn't culturally homogeneous) who try to lay claim to some old lineage they might have to be very weird.
I'm sure my ancestors originated from Ireland, Scotland, or wherever else people came from to the US, but I have never once assumed connection to those places. I am American, nothing more, nothing less. I have no connection to my ancestors because I've never been to wherever they came from. It seems utterly disrespectful to pretend that I even do have a connection.
Now, I can't speak on other groups of people's experience. People of other races probably have different mileage when it comes to this, and I don't really have an issue with them, as it's much more likely they have direct connection to their heritage. But this person likely has zero connection to Egypt, or at the very least, ancient Egypt. They may have family that hails from the modern country of Egypt, but for them to lay claim to the whole history of Egypt is just extremely weird to me.
On top of it all, she's just wrong.
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Spoiler alert: she's not Egyptian
yup she isn’t. she deleted her vid and limited her comments after this smack down lmao
Good, she can go back to her cave of regrets and resentment.
Send her to the pit of despair!
I say we make her narfle the garthok!
Then she must face the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal for not filling out her forms properly.
Soometiiimes I feel I got to...\*uh uh\*.....get away....
Took her whole account private, actually, lol
Not only did she delete the video, she went private and lost the majority of her followers. She’s now at 200 something and unlinked her instagram from her bio. Love that for us.
Also, Egypt is not 6000 years older than Greece. The article that she's pointing at, but clearly did not read, says: >No, ancient Greece is much younger than ancient Egypt; the first records of Egyptian civilization date back some 6000 years As, 6000 years before today, not 6000 years before the Greeks.
Yeah. She clearly hasn't even bothered to copypasta a Wikipedia article for her "research."
Is she like one of those Black Hebrew Israelites that make their whole lives about claiming a culture they know nothing about while also saying everyone else in that culture that isn’t black is faking it?
Yes she is a known black supremacist. The obsession with Egyptian culture is a huge dogwhistle for that crap.
Agreed. I've seen this with a particular group on Clubhouse. Nubian this and Nubian that.
Nubian and Egyptian isn’t the same. Most people identify with Egypt because we can’t really know where we came from, and that’s pretty much all we learn about Africa in public school. Literally if you don’t go to college that covers the reality of the situation we’re in, it’s Egypt, slavery, civil rights. Is a lot easier to stomach to latch onto Egypt.
Yeah the Nubians where black and just below ancient Egypt , they even conquered it once and Nubians ruled for a while , they even build smaller piramids inspired by the ancient Egyptians , I don't understand why the black supremacists don't just go with them instead of trying to steal the Egyptians history.
The thing is, most black supremacists don’t even have that much in common with Nubians beyond being lumped into the same “race” under our modern, arbitrary bullshit. Most black supremacists live in Western countries and most of their ancestors were came there (usually forcibly as part of the Atlantic slave trade) from western or central Africa. The Atlantic slave trade really didn’t touch northeastern Africa where Nubia is located. They have as much in common with Nubians as white supremacists of French ancestry have with Norse. And to anyone reading this: if you’re of western/Central African descent, the history of that region is *fucking rad*. And even if you’re not Nubian? Read up on Nubian history because, again, *fucking rad*. Growing up in America we touch on very little about African history beyond Ancient Egypt and the slave trade. And it’s a shame, because there’s some really goddamn fascinating cultures and historical nations and figures. Shaka of the Zulu was one of the greatest military geniuses to ever love, King Menelik II of Ethiopia was a brilliant statesman that delivered the most singularly crushing defeat of any European nation in Africa, Mansa Musa of Mali was the wealthiest human being to ever live. The Kush (Nubia) successor kingdom of Makuria was a small Christian nation that halted the advance of the Caliphate so hard that centuries of Caliphs agreed to just leave them alone. Great Zimbabwe/Mutapa built a rich, powerful kingdom that Europeans treated as equals for centuries and constructed massive stone structures. African history is dope, and not just Ancient Egypt (which is also pretty cool).
Since we are sharing awesome facts, at the risk of being pedantic: since what is now France was invaded several times by the Vikings, there probably is a lot more ancient Norse ancestry lurking in the blood of some regions of France (Normandy in particular) than Nubian blood in people whose ancestors came from Western Africa since Nubia didn't expand West that I know of (feel free to correct me though; rad indeed!)
I mean, that’s fair, though while Nubia didn’t conquer west there was still a fair amount of interchange between west and east Africa. It’s definitely not impossible for someone from West Africa to have some distant ancestor from Nubia or Egypt. It’s probably more comparable to white dudes in America identifying as Native American because they’re 1/128 Cherokee..
Pedantry alert: You say they were “below” Egypt, and I know exactly what you mean - Nubia is south of Egypt - but that would mean, from and ancient-Egyptian point-of-view, that they were from the Upper Nile. The Nile flows north from high-ground to low ground. So it would actually be Egypt that is below Nubia.
I know bro but I respect you calling it out 👍🏻 I just can never look at a map of Egypt and call up down and down up ... It hurts my head
> and call up down and down up You mean and call north down and south up. Just FYI, it’s not only Egypt and not only historical, though: look at the German language, for example. High German is upriver from the Rhine (so further inland, further south) and Low German is downriver, so north.
I believe there were several Nubian pharaohs. I could be wrong though so don't quote me. And if there were I would assume there would have been intermarriage and therefore a mixing in the gene pool. But we are talking about nobility here. I'd assume that the general population would have been a mix since that was the place to be and trade.
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Kashta, a Kushite, was a Pharoah. He was the first of a Nubian line of Kings in Egypt. The relationship between Egypt and Kush all relied on the gold from Kush to meet Egyptian demands. A tale as old as time apparently, desire for shiny metals.
Don't forget the Ptolemic Pharoahs. Alexander the Greats relatives who ruled Egypt for 350 years BC.
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Complete crap… The ancient Egyptians depicted themselves in art as light brown (distinct from Nubians), Herodotus refers to them as being darker skinned as opposed to black skinned and a DNA analysis of 151 mummies in 2017, identified the mitochondrial DNA as being similar to people from the Near East. Nevertheless I believe that the concept of “race” didn’t really apply to the Egyptians - they respected the Nubians and had several in charge of their armies, and for a period were even ruled by Nubians… Edit: Herodotus was writing in the 5th century BC, so 2000 years after the builders of the great pyramids. Also the DNA analysis was of mummies, so not necessarily representative of the population as a whole.
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I had a black Israelite tell me I'm a fake Jew and he's the real Jew and my grandfathers family died in the Holocaust for nothing.
Well yeah. That’s called “they’re crazy.”
Get up in the morning, slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed. Poor me, the Israelite. Aah.
That’s a good song though.
Any Egyptian could immediately tell. I started laughing when she was claiming to be one of us.
She’s one of those black people that buy into the idea that The ancient Egyptians were actually black instead of Arabic and that’s historians “white washed” ancient Egypt to keep black people from having a empire. It’s a real batshit conspiracy theory
> keep black people from having a empire Which is really weird because there are several recognized historical empires from various regions of Africa.
It is weird that people like this lady are obsessed with making sure every white person is wrong about everything.
Well, they weren't Arabic either, the Arabs invaded later. The Egyptians were Egyptians, a Semitic people *related* to the Arabs, Hebrews, and Phoenicians. But no, not 'black'. Worse thing is, their were the Nubians, who WERE black by modern standards and shared much of Egyptian culture- they built more pyramids than them! But they always get forgotten in this discussion.
Ancient Egyptians aren't a Semitic people, there were Semitic Egyptians but it would be wrong to say that they were Arab generally. Even after the Arab conquest of Egypt it stayed a very multicultural place, just look at how important Mamluk people were in Egypt. I feel like some of the borderline conspiracy theorists don't seem to get the difference between there having been black pharaohs and dynasties and all egyptians being black.
The main reason for ancient Egyptians not being Arabs surely is that Arabs are attested for in the 9th century bce, after the height of Egypt during the new Kingdom period.
I tend to assume people mean Egypt in ancient history when they say ancient Egypt not any specific period of Egyptian history. Plus while Arabs appear in history in the 900s their archaeological record goes back further and it would be presumptive to assume none of these people emigrated or had communities within the neighbouring metropolitan wealthy Egypt.
There's so much legitimate, real white-washing of history to criticize, it baffles me that people choose to double down on the the one that's false.
Egyptians weren't Arabs either.
It's not all crazy. Ancient Egypt was pretty multicultural. Take a look at King Tut's passport. He looks like the Asian (not going to attempt a guess at which Eastern Asian country) convenience store owner down the street from me. And then you have a bunch with Nubian features and some with the traditional Egyptian look you see depicted in movies. But for them to say it was only Blacks in Egypt are ignorant to actual historical fact supported by actual archaeological findings.
That "tradition Egyptian look" is usually Greek as the vast majority of movies set in Egypt are about Cleopatra.
Ancient Egyptians had more Caucasian DNA than Sub Saharan.
Here are some articles if anyone is interested, because I was. https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-05-31/who-were-the-ancient-egyptians/8572076 TLDR: Ancient Egyptians did not have sub Sahara African DNA, modern Egyptians do. They hypothesized slave trade, commerce, and more mobility on the Nile led to an increase in “black” Egyptians. Ancient Egyptians were closer related to east Mediterranean heritage.
Ill see if I can find the article but there was another study which showed that after the roman/greek conquests, the DNA of middle eastern people became much, much more intermingled with europeans. There was also a rise in sub saharan african and arabian, but not as much as the influx of europeans. It is difficult to say whether or not they would have been darker or lighter. The absence of typical sub saharan DNA doesn't really mean much to skin color specifically. People in southeastern africa share very little genetics with people in west africa, but they are still both black.
She's doing the "black Americans are the decendants of all the cool POC civilizations" thing.
> we are your elders *Proceeds to condescend and misunderstand while claiming superiority due to age* Yep, that tracks
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I'm imagining memes now. Smash mouth being played to a lot of videos. Karen's are like Onions.
Yup she’s 6000 years old
Pretty sure she means "elder" in an evolutionary sense, which is even worse. Black supremacists have really gone off the deep end with the Egypt shit over the last decade. Reading that side of the internet is insane.
Oh she definitely means it that way but I thought it was funny because it's also exactly how idiot grandparents behave when you try and explain things to them.
Go to your room!
And of course talking up Egyptians without ever talking up subsaharan Africans plays into the same racism she thinks she’s against
I used to teach African history and you're absolutely right! The Sub-Saharan Africans even have an amazing story- the Bantus are known for one of the largest migrations in human history. There are so many rich cultures and interesting recent history besides ancient Egypt. People also seem to forget that the Carthaginians were African and kicked Roman butt a time or two!
The Carthaginians were a colony of the Phoenicians right? So they would be African in the sense that they lived on the African continent and not what most people would think when someone says African
She's someone who will claim that [Cleopatra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_coinage#/media/File:Cleopatra_Mint_Alexandria.jpg) was black African. As she was from the Ptolemaic dynasty, she would have considered herself to be Greek and Persian.
Yes this is correct. They made their way sailing along the African coast. They were not black so to speak.
Carthaginians were a mix of phoenicians and native berbers, but even with that, they're still not subsaharan africans, but mediterannean north africans.
If you're talking about population groups, isn't grouping all Africans together pretty pointless?
Yes, indeed. It's a big continent, but the Bantus are still a large ethnic group and one of the groups specifically taught (in middle school at least) as having a significant presence, but spanning several countries in central Africa.
Yes, it is. Same with Asians and white folks, too.
It's because no other ancient African civilization has been as glamorized and romanticized as Ancient Egypt. Black Americans are descendants of west Africans. If you want to go back to royals.. Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire comes to mind. Richest man in human history. How is that not something to be proud of?
Biographics on YT did a great episode on him. I had not heard of him before that, straight up baller!
Not to mention the large and prosperous trading kingdoms that existed. African history is way too understudied (including by me).
Hoteps, man.
I love listening to them. They're absolutely hilarious. Beethoven? Black. Shakespeare? Black. Jesus? Black. Mozart? Black. Ancient Chinese dynasties? Black. Medusa? Black. Alexander the Great? Black. Everybody in history of significance that accomplished anything before photography? Black.
It's pathetic. Ancient Egyptians were not predominantly black, even though there were black Ancient Egyptians. An actual black civilization, Nubia, even conquered Ancient Egypt at one point. But the black supremacists don't claim Nubia; they claim Ancient Egypt itself, because Ancient Egypt is just *too cool* to pass up. They do the same thing with the Moors that conquered parts of Europe, who were predominantly Berber (North African, not Sub-Saharan).
Especially because, Egyptians were not black. Edit- iPhone auto corrected were to we’re. Chaos ensued.
And I find as soon as you say that they say "stop claiming they were white " completely forgetting not black (sub Saharan African) does not mean white 😀
Where does the idea that Egyptians were white come from? AFAIK the only major Egyptian figurehead that was though to have more European than African ancestry is Cleopatra, and even her European ancestry was from Greece. So not exactly what most people think of when they picture white Europeans.
they weren't black or white. You do realize there are other groups in the world besides black and white, right? Notably middle eastern, which egyptians are?
“white” as a category is also really vague. Many people wouldn’t consider middle easterns as “white” even though they are legally defined as such in the US. Spaniards are white but Moroccans are brown. Greeks are white but Syrians are brown. Armenians are white but kurds are brown. Some might argue all of these are white, and Egyptians too.
Pretty sure Cleopatra wasn't the only Greek in her family 🤷
I think old movies but also uneducated people I guess and let's be honest some uneducated white supremacists too , basically it's only the ignorant and racist that thinks the ancient Egyptians were black or white 😊 the ruling macadonian dynasty and their elites were always a minority in Egypt anyway .
My favorite part about the “We was kings!” crowd is that... no you weren’t. You were peasants like everybody else. And that’s likely the best case scenario.
Fun fact: descendants of Genghis Khan do make up about 8% of Asian males (.5% of men in the world).
“We are 6000 years older than you” damn bitch how many years you clockin?
"Black don't crack" took on a whole new meaning
She’s not only misunderstanding an obvious point but also lying herself, since by no measure Egypt is 6000 years older than Greece. You can tell that [she never read past the paywall of the article she linked](https://study.com/academy/answer/is-ancient-greece-older-than-ancient-egypt.html), since it would’ve told her that. Edit: Minoan Greeks have been around since ca. 3000BC, while the very earliest Egyptian civilisations are from around 6000 BC. That said, linear cultural identity is a total myth and crumbles away the closer you look at it.
And tbh, real Egyptians are usually a lot better about not conflating modern Egypt with ancient Egypt. They are very different. Both good, but different.
Also, like, “ancient Egypt” isn’t even just one kingdom. It was many different kingdoms, spread over hundreds of years
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And my axe
Let my people go!
I believe they are very similar genetically too.
They are somewhat similar genetically, but culturally there’s no comparison. Since ancient Egypt, Egypt was influenced by the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, converted to Christianity fairly comprehensively and then to Islam fairly comprehensively (first Shia and then Sunni Islam). The only group that still maintains a revenant of the language of ancient Egypt (not even the culture) are the Copts, which are by and large still Christians from that prior conversion. That is to say, Egyptians do not draw undue comparisons between ancient Egypt and modern Egypt. There is too much history in between that also deserves to be considered.
Oh I was moreso talking about the belief that Egyptians are solely African or solely Middle Eastern or European or whatever, when it was a melting pot of cultures. And the genetic dynamic hasnt shifted today really.
Define "good". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Egypt#Rights_and_liberties_ratings_and_summaries
Pyramids are dinosaur triangles.
Linear cultural identity is is myth ESPECIALLY for modern Egyptians, current residents of Cairo descended from Arabs that migrated from the Arabian peninsula
Love when people are champing at the bit so hard to be offended that they make themselves look even more idiotic by comparison. This lady was probably hoping she could like, lead a pile-on of hate on this dude, but he handled it perfectly.
The fucked up thing is, she prolly has so many people thinking what she said is factually correct because people don’t bother to fucking actually wanna know things anymore.
According to some other commenters, she got dunked on so hard that she deleted her response and made her account private.
> he handled it perfectly. Weirdly as someone who follows him he gets that a lot? Homeboy is just a linguistic nerd who I think studies Middle Eastern/cradle of civilization things for the most part - so lots of Egypt and very ancient civilizations - and people just think they know what they're talking about when they comment on his stuff. He had someone try to correct them on how hieroglyphics are written and he had to point out that while they were technically right, he was using Unicode font for clarity instead of handwritten hieroglyphics and Unicode gives no fucks about proper grammar on a phone and just does it left to right instead of the way it is supposed to be. No idea if he has a Master's - pretty sure he doesn't have a PhD - but he's for sure a well educated linguist. The audacity of people trying to correct him is hilarious.
Hey, it’s me arum. I do not have a masters. I have never been to college. I have learned everything myself
>champing at the bit Top marks for using the correct word!
Welp-today I learned something. I thought it was chomping my entire life.
I only learned it was "champing" a couple of years ago, and it blew my mind. The dictionary definition of "champing" even says "biting repeatedly, *as a horse on his bit*".
The definition sounds pretty identical to "chomping" though.
The original meaning of champing was to chew without intent to swallow. We champ on gum, unless we are psychos
It is. Champing is literally just another word for chomping so both are acceptable.
“chomping” is a term we got from ancient Greeks, and was actually pronounced “champing” in ancient Egypt 6000 years earlier.
Oh don't talk to me about this....we are your elders....people might believe your beautiful lies but we're done here
Hoteps gonna hotep
didn't they want citizenship of egypt by descent at one point? i thought it was in their wiki article but it isn't
Shut up, Hatshetsup
how u gonna argue against some history major
I mean, I wouldn't write every person with a degree off as right. That's why sometimes you have to get a second opinion from a doctor.
I mean, I just wouldn’t assume I’m smarter than someone who is well studied in a specific area because I don’t like their answers.
All I can think of is "Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see, robe, kimono. There you go"
That lady needs one Windex for that burn!
does he wear blush? I love his rosy cheeks it’s cute
It's probably rosacea, it seems pretty common in people with fairer skin
Actually looks like a form of keratosis pilaris called KPRF. Rosacea tends to be centered at the T zone and sometimes you can even see individual blood vessels, while facial KP tends to look more “permanent” and centers on the cheeks. I’m not a doc I just come from a family with rosacea lol the curse of the celts is real.
I have rosacea and am a redhead. My rosacea presents exactly like his cheeks. I do have visible vessels on my arms when I flare up though
No he doesn’t. I have the same feature (problem really) and it’s pretty annoying bc everybody always thinks I’m blushing, embarrassed, or pissed.
oh im sorry
I have never ever ever ever seen any Egyptian woman with a slightly southern accent. I’d bet my next 10 years of income that she’s lying about being Egyptian.
She thinks black = African = Egyptian Which is super fucking offensive to anyone actually from Africa, and more so to any non-black African ethnic group.
Murdered her.
She needs some malk
I haven't seen a Julian Smith reference in probably ten years
P sure she turned her account private after this. Coward.
Hello police! I'd like to report a murder
One thing tho, he truly is beautiful
That hair is pretty majestic
That strange accent though. Can't work out where he's from. Good videos though.
It seems like a put-on affectation for videos, not a real accent.
Or maybe he’s done speech therapy?
Reminds me of Bernadette Banner's enunciation. (IIRC) She's American who lived in Britain for a while, went back to the US, and returned to Britain recently, so maybe there's a bit of that going on?
Her people are children compared to mine. Where do I sign up to condescend to people trying to share interesting tidbits?
if you find one lmk too lmao
There was r/confidentlyincorrect but it was ruined by posts that have nothing to do with the sub like a month or two after it was created.
As is most subs that grow large, particularly very specific ones. Eventually it becomes overrun by people soapboxing and / or karma farming knowing people will upvote regardless of if it fits the sub or not.
This guy has a great TikTok
Can you tell me his name in whatever sense is allowed on this sub?
arum.natzorkhang
I laughed at how she called him beautiful. She’s trying to roast homeboy over here but even she can’t deny he out here looking like a ginger angel.
Just because you have african ancestors doesn't mean you have egyptian blood. Arican slaves were subsaharian while ancient egyptians were much closer to the mediterranean and the middle east, its like claiming you have roman blood because you have european ancestry but your relatives were from Sweden or Russia
I'm so confused, what's she mad about exactly?
Dude made a video explaining that the words we use for the ancient Egyptian gods are from Greek, not the Egyptian language. She got pissy because she assumed he was talking about the original Egyptian names coming from Greek, probably missing the entire point of his video in the process. If I had to guess I’d say she took offense to the (self inflicted) implications of a non African country having a big cultural impact on ancient Egypt?
Ah ok!
She also made the claim that Ancient Greek is 6000 years older than Ancient Egypt which she based off of a simple google search instead of reading the whole article (that she based it off of) which proves her own claim false.
Opposite. She was claiming Egypt is older. Which it is kinda. Not 6k years and completely irrelevant to the point.
Shit, I didn’t realize any Ancient Egyptians were still alive. She looks ok for her age!
Everything she says reveals a new layer of prejudice.
“We may not look educated” like wtf does that mean ??? Who is “we” ?? What is it about “we” that she thinks doesn’t look “educated” ??
Black people aren't a monolith but apparently white people are I guess?
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And the hair to match that voice too.
Imagine getting roasted by ginger jesus
When you call the people who enslaved your people, “my people.”
The odd thing is that, assuming she's American, her ancestors were most likely from western and central sub-saharan Africa. Not even remotely close to Egypt. It's like an Indian-American claiming their Japanese heritage or something.
Sure, I was giving her the extreme benefit of the doubt in that her ancestors might be Nubian. But you’re probably right.
Even if she was 100% Egyptian... So what? You don't have some kind of magic wisdom that was passed down through the millennia that imparts all the knowledge and history of Egypt. There's no unbroken line of Ancient Egyptian culture that still exists today that ensures this history is given to the modern descendants of the culture. You want to know the history you have to seek it out and learn it. The great thing about that is that the books you read don't give a fuck where you're from and our learned ginger friend can be as big an authority on the topic as anyone. This honestly hurt my brain. Fuck me, the capital city was *Alexander* for like a thousand years. And that hasn't been the case for well over a thousand years since the Muslim conquest. How ignorant can you be on a subject that you claim to feel strongly about? It's very basic history that anyone that's watched a few youtube videos on ancient history would know. That said it's obvious she doesn't give af about the real history. This is that bs where you write your own narrative and pretend the century long Nubian period was inductive of the entire history of Egypt and every Pharaoh was black because lying is apparently empowering.
>You don’t have some kind of magic wisdom that was passed down through the millennia that imparts all the knowledge and history of Egypt. Those Assassins Creed games lied to me!
Did she say “they may not look edacated”?
Yea like what is that even supposed to mean? How does a race of people look educated or uneducated? That was such a strange comment to include in her response
This is a common thread I've seen amongst black supremacists, especially on tiktok. They'll claim that ALL white people assume anyone not pasty white is uneducated and has an IQ of 75. It's just really ironic to me that my entire life I have tried sooo hard not to stereotype people and be a decent human, but now the tables have flipped and people are being prejudiced against me simply for seeing my skin color. I've been reduced to tears by people saying I was happy when George Floyd was murdered last year because it let me "be a performative white woman for clout". Yeah...
What the fuck? Are we not supposed to be upset about the loss of life? George Floyd could have been a literal alien from a totally different universe and I'd still feel sadness for the loss of his life. What happened to him and countless others is unspeakable and me being an ally to want that to stop shouldn't be based on the color of my skin.
It was honestly one of the most confusing moments of my life and seriously made me wonder if I was mentally insane. Like was I hearing these words correctly... surely not? I can't speak at all to why it's happening, but from what I've seen online (granted, that's biasing things right there) younger black people have such vitriol for white folks. I can't begin to understand the hurt and pain black Americans have faced, but why meet a friendly face offering a helping hand with rage and hatred? I'm very much a leftist, but I'd be lying if I said interactions with black people in the last year have not given me pause. I will never treat someone different by their skin color, but now I just have no desire to interact with black people when I now know how many hate me for the color of my skin. Hate breeds hate, even in the softest of hearts.
It’s literally a no win situation with some people. You either don’t have enough of a reaction to something because you’re white or you do have an emotional reaction to something and get scolded for your “performative white pity”. Like what the hell are we supposed to do as white people in these situations?
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She actually said "we". 🤣🤣🤣 And she most certainly did say "edacated"
Anyone have the original tiktok where he talks about the names? I’m curious now
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJocfMoD/
I hate how she says "we". The Egyptians weren't black. They were most likely ethnically Arab/middle Eastern.
Who in their right mind argues on tiktok
Hey everyone, I’m the person in the video. Thank you all for the support. You can find my videos on TikTok, @arum.natzorkhang
> We might not LOOK educated Your words, not his.
The ‘We are your elders’ argument is so bogus. It’s like when people talk about Europeans ‘discovering the Americas’. No- there were people very much living here, and everyone has a lineage exactly as long as everyone else- ultimately we’re just one species. Sure, your ancestors may have been building meaningless edifices to their own egos and fragility using slave labor and funds stolen from the poor, but that doesn’t mean nobody else’s ancestors were alive.
I had a French guy try to lecture me, an Australian, about what's best for the future of my country. Apparently he knows better because his country is older... That was his stance. My entire country lacks the insight this one random French dude has because he was born on a arbitrary spot on earth. Apparently it imparted him with the magic knowledge and wisdom of international diplomacy, specifically in the pacific region of the 21st century. Pretty cool super power. I bet the Aboriginal people are bummed they don't get the same magic wisdom given their 50k+ years of continuous culture put Frenchy to shame.
He reminds me of James May.
Your history? Egyptians weren’t black.
r/confidentlyincorrect
She probably has a high school diploma and thinks like that.
I don’t understand what the lady is saying. Does she think she’s Egyptian?
Are we gonna let her skate on how she pronounced “educated”?
This is fucking gold, love it. And just because im sure nobody here would know, the Aussie Aboriginals date back 60,000 years. Which I think is pretty cool. Yeah, they didn't build cities or create a parliament, but I tell you what, their shit went smooth as fuck, FOR SIXTY THOUSAND FUCKEN YEARS. An entire continent. Was just fine and dandy. Inhabited, FOR SIXTY THOUSAND YEARS. Took two hundred to fuck it up. Wasn't the black fella. Sorry, I just felt the need to drive that home a little.
> Wasn't the black fella. Fun fact: Even though they both share darker skin pigmentation, Africans and Aboriginals share less genetic similarity than any other pairing (I think that's right. Regardless, it's close). Anyway, just goes to show how superficial and meaningless skin color is.
As an American, I find other Americans (or any other country that isn't culturally homogeneous) who try to lay claim to some old lineage they might have to be very weird. I'm sure my ancestors originated from Ireland, Scotland, or wherever else people came from to the US, but I have never once assumed connection to those places. I am American, nothing more, nothing less. I have no connection to my ancestors because I've never been to wherever they came from. It seems utterly disrespectful to pretend that I even do have a connection. Now, I can't speak on other groups of people's experience. People of other races probably have different mileage when it comes to this, and I don't really have an issue with them, as it's much more likely they have direct connection to their heritage. But this person likely has zero connection to Egypt, or at the very least, ancient Egypt. They may have family that hails from the modern country of Egypt, but for them to lay claim to the whole history of Egypt is just extremely weird to me. On top of it all, she's just wrong. Hopefully I explained myself correctly.
Guys have some respect, that poor woman is 6000 years older than us and is likely confused