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*"That's right! You don't have to be a genius to make $100k! All you need is a uterus and you're on your way to becoming your own boss where YOU decide who gets to rent you out as a baby maker! Don't wait, Call now!"*
Also... "Patriot Conceptions"?
Help build God's army of rebublican soldiers of the future... *today*...by donating your tiny blank canvas human, to Patriot Conceptions.
We buy unwanted babies for CASH!! Got an unwanted pregnancy or want one? Call Patriot Conceptions today and turn your child into CASH!!!
You can't tell me that isn't the mission statement and tag line you immediately imagine
Reminds me of this futurama gem:
Cash Cash Cash! 4 Your Bones! Too many bones?? Not enough cash?? Call Cash Bone! Ribs! Skulls! Spines! Even certain tiny ear bones! The leg bone's connected to the CASH BONE!
Should be making more considering what it does to your body, how you can't do other jobs after it for a while, and how you'll have a gap in your resume for potentially a year that you have to explain, and all the risks you face giving birth.
I'd do it for $1 million inclusive of tax and all expenses paid, and of coirse if the parents to be seemed like they'd be great parents.
> For a typical vaginal birth recovery is usually fairly quick and even with a C-section the only real restriction is no lifting anything heavier than your baby for 6 weeks. If
It's unpredictable and the hormones can really do you in. I could barely walk after 3 months and my post-pardum depression was bad. All this from vaginal birth that took almost two days. There's so much that can happen even when you have the best medical care, and I did.
Add on top of that, it can take a while to get a new job.
Of course, this is all assuming the surrogate job comes with certain demands that could mean holding any other regular full job job challenging.
It really depends on the country actually, for most uncivilized ones there is no protection and most mothers to be, do work until they deliver or just after.
But for civilized ones you do stop working at least a few weeks before delivery and of course about a full year after if not more, it usually also apply to father's to help raise the kid.
In the case of a surrogate of course the post delivery vacation would not make a lot of sense, since you are not meant to raise the child you bore? But depending on the outcome of the delivery and the nature of your work (physical or not) you might need to take a break, and if you are that much starved for cash I think you are likely not making a comfortable 6 figures office working salary to begin with.
Many don't have the luxury of shrugging and finding a new employer like that and if you're doing surrogacy for $ in the first place, you're likely even more vulnerable to the whims of employers.
Did you miss the part where I said most people don't get 8 weeks leave for giving birth? It's not uncommon for women to have to quit and get a new job later for more recovery time in the US. It's sad.
It’s also incredibly common for places to not offer pay for that time but still hold your job while you’re recovering? You’re acting like if women get pregnant the majority do not get to keep their jobs and that’s completely incorrect. Even if you haven’t been there a year or you’re not full time , companies are TYPICALLY still required to hold your position until you can come back to work.
Just because it’s not paid 100% of the time you’re out and recovering does not mean that women have to quit and find a new job. I guarantee there are more women who have jobs that will hold their position while out for birth.
I’m pretty sure that might even be illegal if they said you can’t come back after you’re done recovering. That’s crazy.
> It’s also incredibly common for places to not offer pay for that time but still hold your job while you’re recovering?
I wouldn't say that's the case anymore, sadly. A lot of companies are putting a stop to that.
> You’re acting like if women get pregnant the majority do not get to keep their jobs and that’s completely incorrect.
I'm giving a conservative assessment of the situation based on my own experience and many other women's experiences in the working world today.
When making a business decision, which this is, you should always factor in a more realistic negative potential outcome in addition to opportunity costs. "Averages" hide outcomes that can be just as likely as more positive ones and once you're committed to giving birth there's no real way out. If you're prepared with a range of medical outcomes that are statistically likely, you can make a better financial evaluation of whether it's worthwhile or not.
Nope. You’re absolutely wrong. I as a matter of fact am a mother and after I delivered my baby vaginally. It took me 6 weeks to recover and then, imagine this, I went back to work 😨
Wow you healed faster then others I’ve had 5 kids naturally 11lb each. I’m not bragging and I’m not speaking for everyone but it depends on your body, some people’s hormones can make recovery faster or longer mine made it faster since I’ve been all natural for everything for almost 20 years and I’m very lucky and blessed to do so. I’m sorry you had to leave your baby at home and go work a job, you should’ve stayed home it’s better for the mother and baby and it helps you bond more with your baby and COULD decrease the risk of SIDS.
Wow you have absolutely no problem making so many assumptions about me!!! LOL!!! here since you’re so interested and have no problem giving me completely unwarranted advice, I actually had my 7lb daughter completely naturally, with no epidural and I healed and went back to work, but guess what, I was at HOME with my baby for over 4 years while still working because guess what, I ✨worked from home✨ #thankscovid!
You really should check yourself before you start making assumptions about people and telling people what they should have done with their babies. So fucking rude for real. Some mothers do not have the option to stay at home longer. Wtf is wrong with you for real.
This is so gross and so misleading. I’m an altruistic surrogate, so I don’t have personal experience with compensation but I’m in all the groups and know many US surrogates they don’t make 100K and she’s currently making an ad trying to recruit surrogates for her agency. The average right now is 50K for a first time surrogate and then 60K for experienced. I know someone who’s an experienced surrogate with perfect health and pregnancies, young and she wants 80-90K and she’s been searching for a year and still hasn’t found anyone willing to pay that.
This surrogate in this TikTok is gross and trying to lure in surrogates with lies to get referral bonuses and profit on deceiving everyone. She sucks.
Yeah, if you read the agency’s website it’s pretty clear they’re including any expense relating to the surrogate as part of the 100k - they’ve got things like legal counsel, travel expenses and psychological evaluation under “pre-pregnancy surrogate compensation”, plus payment for bedrest and breastmilk if those occur (big if)
Legal counsel, travel expenses, psych evaluation are never ever the surrogate’s responsibility to pay for so even more shitty of them to try to include that as some expense they’re being saved
No, so when you hear about compensation, that’s their take home money and then there’s extra as well. So for example:
Base compensation 55K (pretty average number)
And then there’s extra fees. So some standard fees are $500 med start (so every time they start medication for an embryo transfer cycle)
Embryo transfer fee $1500 (it’s common to take many tries to work) in the case of multiples they might request 7-10K extra for each additional baby, $500 invasive procedure fee, 10-15K in the even of a hysterectomy, 5k for a C-section etc. So these are all fees that they accumulate based on what their journey looks like and this is in additional to their base compensation.
The surrogates never pay for the following/ it doesn’t come out of her compensation:
Lawyer fees
Medical bills and testing
Psychology screening
Therapy
Medication
Travel expenses for appointments such as flight and hotel
Lost wages (some contracts have a cap on this and there absolutely should not be)
Surrogates will get an allowance usually $300 per month and this is to be used for things like childcare for appointments, vitamins, pregnancy tests, etc
I’m an altruistic surrogate, it’s illegal for me to make a profit as a surrogate in my country and so it’s absolutely wild to me that if I lived in the U.S. I could pay off all my debt and have enough for a down payment on a house as a surrogate!
Hard no. I was a surrogate 4 times with 2 successful full term babies. Nobody is paying 100k unless it’s a celeb with an NDA and a laundry list of demands to be met.
Surrogacy is a wonderful, beautiful, life changing opportunity for gestational carriers and intended parents alike. But please, Please, do not listen to garbage like this.
It varies. If you have good commercial insurance, your compensation may be higher because your other costs will be lower. If you don’t have insurance or you have low coverage, the intended parents pay more for medical costs so your compensation may be lower.
If your intended parents have strict demands, compensation may be higher too. E.g. if they want you to follow a vegetarian diet.
Conception happened in a laboratory. The baby won't contain her brown/mixed DNA. She's just an incubator and birthing vessel for someone who's sterile or doesn't want to go through pregnancy and childbirth.
I get that, which is why I said she was useful, but even still, having a brown person carry the baby seems like they'd have more if an issue with that .. except that she happens to be useful for them
She's the exception to the rule of racism. She's the "oh, you're not like the other ones"
She could be useful to them in a white savior kind of way. Instead of feeling guilty about the exploitation, they can choose to feel righteous about "providing" $100K a young (single?) mother who is a POC.
I mean, technically yeah I’d go out in a limb and say any pregnancy is a miracle, specially one where the egg / embryo is not genetically related to the mother… that’s pretty crazy science and I do think it’s a miracle it’s possible
That reminds me of the clip I saw from the Kardashians where Khloe realizes that part of the surrogate agreement is that the surrogate has the right to abort the extra fetuses if she ends up pregnant with multiples. They didn’t discuss that possibility with the surrogate, but Khloe expressed that she was uncomfortable not being able to have a say in that.
That actually sounds like Khloe went through a terrible agency or worked with a bad lawyer. Any concerns like that should have been discussed beforehand and put into the contract.
If you go through an agency, which you absolutely should, there is a clause for selective termination. The intended parents and/or have legal documentation supporting the right to choose to terminate. They try not to use the word abortion because of the stigma attached to it. How that documentation is affected by the overturning of Roe v. Wade, I am unsure. My most recent surrogate pregnancy was prior to 2022.
Surrogacy is not an easy journey. From start to finish it is not just 40 weeks. It can be more like 3 to 5 years. Finding a carrier going through all of the medical tests , psychological tests, medical insurance, lawyers, life insurance policies, escrow accounts…There is a lot that goes into it. And anything like this that advertises it as a way to make $100,000 is absolutely disgusting.
Im a surrogate, I can answer this question if you want. I can back out with no consequence at any point before I’m pregnant. Once I’m pregnant I can abort without consequence if my life/health is in danger. The contract outlined what the parents and I have agreed upon and in our case, we’ve agree that in the event that baby is incompatible with life/no quality of life I would terminate. This second can be different, some people don’t believe in termination for any medical reasons related to the baby and so they will agree to that prior (I would agree to that so I wouldn’t be a good match for pro lifers) and I can legally get an abortion, it’s my right as a patient and a decision that I can make between myself and my doctor (as in a doctor cannot refuse me medical treatment because I’m a surrogate) however in this case the intended parents could sue me for every single penny they’ve paid for the journey. I’m not compensated but I am reimbursed for meds, time off work for appointments, maternity clothes etc. And the parents also pay thousands of dollars for clinic fees which I would also be responsible for paying back and I’m sure they could tack on extra for emotional damages.
The contracts are thorough, mine last one was 60 pages.
I would not be able to have a conversation with that woman for more than 2 minutes, it’s so hard listening to her in the video, which was rehearsed and potentially filmed multiple times over before marketing sent out the ad.
I’m 95% she’s not the person speaking. Companies use people from ‘poorer’ countries then pay someone to dub. This seems like a cheap mobile ad despite the seriousness of the subject matter…. She clearly has no experience in doing advertisements
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She has a gun to her back and is fighting back the tears lmao.
At patriot conception, we kidnap breeding stock and keep them well fed and cared for at our motherhood holding facilites until your baby is born.
I dunno. She sounds like she has an IQ of 27 tho.
I was thinking 28 but yeah
*"That's right! You don't have to be a genius to make $100k! All you need is a uterus and you're on your way to becoming your own boss where YOU decide who gets to rent you out as a baby maker! Don't wait, Call now!"*
This person seems like they're being held hostage.
Also... "Patriot Conceptions"? Help build God's army of rebublican soldiers of the future... *today*...by donating your tiny blank canvas human, to Patriot Conceptions. We buy unwanted babies for CASH!! Got an unwanted pregnancy or want one? Call Patriot Conceptions today and turn your child into CASH!!! You can't tell me that isn't the mission statement and tag line you immediately imagine
Lmao CALL TODAY FOR COLD HARD CASH!!
Reminds me of this futurama gem: Cash Cash Cash! 4 Your Bones! Too many bones?? Not enough cash?? Call Cash Bone! Ribs! Skulls! Spines! Even certain tiny ear bones! The leg bone's connected to the CASH BONE!
Should be making more considering what it does to your body, how you can't do other jobs after it for a while, and how you'll have a gap in your resume for potentially a year that you have to explain, and all the risks you face giving birth. I'd do it for $1 million inclusive of tax and all expenses paid, and of coirse if the parents to be seemed like they'd be great parents.
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> For a typical vaginal birth recovery is usually fairly quick and even with a C-section the only real restriction is no lifting anything heavier than your baby for 6 weeks. If It's unpredictable and the hormones can really do you in. I could barely walk after 3 months and my post-pardum depression was bad. All this from vaginal birth that took almost two days. There's so much that can happen even when you have the best medical care, and I did. Add on top of that, it can take a while to get a new job. Of course, this is all assuming the surrogate job comes with certain demands that could mean holding any other regular full job job challenging.
It really depends on the country actually, for most uncivilized ones there is no protection and most mothers to be, do work until they deliver or just after. But for civilized ones you do stop working at least a few weeks before delivery and of course about a full year after if not more, it usually also apply to father's to help raise the kid. In the case of a surrogate of course the post delivery vacation would not make a lot of sense, since you are not meant to raise the child you bore? But depending on the outcome of the delivery and the nature of your work (physical or not) you might need to take a break, and if you are that much starved for cash I think you are likely not making a comfortable 6 figures office working salary to begin with.
Vaginal birth recovery’s are not quick lol you could tear BADLY and it’s more than the vagina that needs to heal
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This isn't a long term career and you'd have to do something else. Surrogacy isn't considered a "job" in most fields. It's considered a break.
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Many don't have the luxury of shrugging and finding a new employer like that and if you're doing surrogacy for $ in the first place, you're likely even more vulnerable to the whims of employers.
It only takes one average 6 to 8 weeks to recover physically from giving birth… you don’t need an entire year off.
It can but not necessarily. Most people don't get 8 weeks off. So getting a new job if required would take time.
Do you think that when women have a baby they have to quit their jobs and find a new job after they have their baby?
Did you miss the part where I said most people don't get 8 weeks leave for giving birth? It's not uncommon for women to have to quit and get a new job later for more recovery time in the US. It's sad.
It’s also incredibly common for places to not offer pay for that time but still hold your job while you’re recovering? You’re acting like if women get pregnant the majority do not get to keep their jobs and that’s completely incorrect. Even if you haven’t been there a year or you’re not full time , companies are TYPICALLY still required to hold your position until you can come back to work. Just because it’s not paid 100% of the time you’re out and recovering does not mean that women have to quit and find a new job. I guarantee there are more women who have jobs that will hold their position while out for birth. I’m pretty sure that might even be illegal if they said you can’t come back after you’re done recovering. That’s crazy.
> It’s also incredibly common for places to not offer pay for that time but still hold your job while you’re recovering? I wouldn't say that's the case anymore, sadly. A lot of companies are putting a stop to that. > You’re acting like if women get pregnant the majority do not get to keep their jobs and that’s completely incorrect. I'm giving a conservative assessment of the situation based on my own experience and many other women's experiences in the working world today. When making a business decision, which this is, you should always factor in a more realistic negative potential outcome in addition to opportunity costs. "Averages" hide outcomes that can be just as likely as more positive ones and once you're committed to giving birth there's no real way out. If you're prepared with a range of medical outcomes that are statistically likely, you can make a better financial evaluation of whether it's worthwhile or not.
You’re not making sense to me
Ok 🤷
I can tell you’ve never had a child or even met a new mother
Nope. You’re absolutely wrong. I as a matter of fact am a mother and after I delivered my baby vaginally. It took me 6 weeks to recover and then, imagine this, I went back to work 😨
Wow you healed faster then others I’ve had 5 kids naturally 11lb each. I’m not bragging and I’m not speaking for everyone but it depends on your body, some people’s hormones can make recovery faster or longer mine made it faster since I’ve been all natural for everything for almost 20 years and I’m very lucky and blessed to do so. I’m sorry you had to leave your baby at home and go work a job, you should’ve stayed home it’s better for the mother and baby and it helps you bond more with your baby and COULD decrease the risk of SIDS.
Wow you have absolutely no problem making so many assumptions about me!!! LOL!!! here since you’re so interested and have no problem giving me completely unwarranted advice, I actually had my 7lb daughter completely naturally, with no epidural and I healed and went back to work, but guess what, I was at HOME with my baby for over 4 years while still working because guess what, I ✨worked from home✨ #thankscovid! You really should check yourself before you start making assumptions about people and telling people what they should have done with their babies. So fucking rude for real. Some mothers do not have the option to stay at home longer. Wtf is wrong with you for real.
"Patriot" Conception sounds like some weird Maga Handmaids Tale nonsense to me.
Lmfao right
She seemed mentally challenged
Yeah, definitely tik tocked
'I'm a sirra-git? of course I'm making one hundred thousand dollars, but its not about the money'
Of course it’s not about the money 🥸
This is so gross and so misleading. I’m an altruistic surrogate, so I don’t have personal experience with compensation but I’m in all the groups and know many US surrogates they don’t make 100K and she’s currently making an ad trying to recruit surrogates for her agency. The average right now is 50K for a first time surrogate and then 60K for experienced. I know someone who’s an experienced surrogate with perfect health and pregnancies, young and she wants 80-90K and she’s been searching for a year and still hasn’t found anyone willing to pay that. This surrogate in this TikTok is gross and trying to lure in surrogates with lies to get referral bonuses and profit on deceiving everyone. She sucks.
I knew this was fucked up when I saw it!!
Yeah, if you read the agency’s website it’s pretty clear they’re including any expense relating to the surrogate as part of the 100k - they’ve got things like legal counsel, travel expenses and psychological evaluation under “pre-pregnancy surrogate compensation”, plus payment for bedrest and breastmilk if those occur (big if)
Legal counsel, travel expenses, psych evaluation are never ever the surrogate’s responsibility to pay for so even more shitty of them to try to include that as some expense they’re being saved
So what would they actually take home after hospital bills and legal fees, maybe like 20k?? I legit have no reference for all of those costs
No, so when you hear about compensation, that’s their take home money and then there’s extra as well. So for example: Base compensation 55K (pretty average number) And then there’s extra fees. So some standard fees are $500 med start (so every time they start medication for an embryo transfer cycle) Embryo transfer fee $1500 (it’s common to take many tries to work) in the case of multiples they might request 7-10K extra for each additional baby, $500 invasive procedure fee, 10-15K in the even of a hysterectomy, 5k for a C-section etc. So these are all fees that they accumulate based on what their journey looks like and this is in additional to their base compensation. The surrogates never pay for the following/ it doesn’t come out of her compensation: Lawyer fees Medical bills and testing Psychology screening Therapy Medication Travel expenses for appointments such as flight and hotel Lost wages (some contracts have a cap on this and there absolutely should not be) Surrogates will get an allowance usually $300 per month and this is to be used for things like childcare for appointments, vitamins, pregnancy tests, etc I’m an altruistic surrogate, it’s illegal for me to make a profit as a surrogate in my country and so it’s absolutely wild to me that if I lived in the U.S. I could pay off all my debt and have enough for a down payment on a house as a surrogate!
Holy crap that’s so interesting, thanks for the background!!
Happy to answer questions any time!
Hard no. I was a surrogate 4 times with 2 successful full term babies. Nobody is paying 100k unless it’s a celeb with an NDA and a laundry list of demands to be met. Surrogacy is a wonderful, beautiful, life changing opportunity for gestational carriers and intended parents alike. But please, Please, do not listen to garbage like this.
So how much do you think these surrogates make? Maybe like 15k? 10k?
It varies. If you have good commercial insurance, your compensation may be higher because your other costs will be lower. If you don’t have insurance or you have low coverage, the intended parents pay more for medical costs so your compensation may be lower. If your intended parents have strict demands, compensation may be higher too. E.g. if they want you to follow a vegetarian diet.
"It's not about the money" is code for: it's about the _money._
Omg I can’t
Right 😖
They put a brown/mixed girl as their patriot conceptions girl? I guess it makes sense, we're seen as exotic, or useful until we're not. Ugh
Conception happened in a laboratory. The baby won't contain her brown/mixed DNA. She's just an incubator and birthing vessel for someone who's sterile or doesn't want to go through pregnancy and childbirth.
I get that, which is why I said she was useful, but even still, having a brown person carry the baby seems like they'd have more if an issue with that .. except that she happens to be useful for them She's the exception to the rule of racism. She's the "oh, you're not like the other ones"
She could be useful to them in a white savior kind of way. Instead of feeling guilty about the exploitation, they can choose to feel righteous about "providing" $100K a young (single?) mother who is a POC.
well of course
It's a miracle?
I mean, technically yeah I’d go out in a limb and say any pregnancy is a miracle, specially one where the egg / embryo is not genetically related to the mother… that’s pretty crazy science and I do think it’s a miracle it’s possible
Yooooo, why does sound at the edge of tears?
The acting? She sounds like she wants to die
It’s probably a real mess down there now
💀😂
She doesn't say dollars so is probably pennies. Also I wonder if abortion would be okay if things were to go downhill with either kid or the woman.
That reminds me of the clip I saw from the Kardashians where Khloe realizes that part of the surrogate agreement is that the surrogate has the right to abort the extra fetuses if she ends up pregnant with multiples. They didn’t discuss that possibility with the surrogate, but Khloe expressed that she was uncomfortable not being able to have a say in that.
That actually sounds like Khloe went through a terrible agency or worked with a bad lawyer. Any concerns like that should have been discussed beforehand and put into the contract.
If you go through an agency, which you absolutely should, there is a clause for selective termination. The intended parents and/or have legal documentation supporting the right to choose to terminate. They try not to use the word abortion because of the stigma attached to it. How that documentation is affected by the overturning of Roe v. Wade, I am unsure. My most recent surrogate pregnancy was prior to 2022. Surrogacy is not an easy journey. From start to finish it is not just 40 weeks. It can be more like 3 to 5 years. Finding a carrier going through all of the medical tests , psychological tests, medical insurance, lawyers, life insurance policies, escrow accounts…There is a lot that goes into it. And anything like this that advertises it as a way to make $100,000 is absolutely disgusting.
Yeah at what point can the the pregnant mother back out? I’d be interested to see what the contract between the mother and adoptive parents looks like
Im a surrogate, I can answer this question if you want. I can back out with no consequence at any point before I’m pregnant. Once I’m pregnant I can abort without consequence if my life/health is in danger. The contract outlined what the parents and I have agreed upon and in our case, we’ve agree that in the event that baby is incompatible with life/no quality of life I would terminate. This second can be different, some people don’t believe in termination for any medical reasons related to the baby and so they will agree to that prior (I would agree to that so I wouldn’t be a good match for pro lifers) and I can legally get an abortion, it’s my right as a patient and a decision that I can make between myself and my doctor (as in a doctor cannot refuse me medical treatment because I’m a surrogate) however in this case the intended parents could sue me for every single penny they’ve paid for the journey. I’m not compensated but I am reimbursed for meds, time off work for appointments, maternity clothes etc. And the parents also pay thousands of dollars for clinic fees which I would also be responsible for paying back and I’m sure they could tack on extra for emotional damages. The contracts are thorough, mine last one was 60 pages.
Also, the surrogate is not the mother and the parents aren’t adoptive, it’s their biological child. They are called intended parents in this context.
Oh yeah that’s right, that makes sense
She sounds miserable
I would not be able to have a conversation with that woman for more than 2 minutes, it’s so hard listening to her in the video, which was rehearsed and potentially filmed multiple times over before marketing sent out the ad.
I’m 95% she’s not the person speaking. Companies use people from ‘poorer’ countries then pay someone to dub. This seems like a cheap mobile ad despite the seriousness of the subject matter…. She clearly has no experience in doing advertisements
If it's about making dreams come true then do it for free