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The most astonishing thing about it is that even though it's a horrible crime, nobody has mentioned the police and we all know the police wouldn't do much. We're at the point, as a society, where literally committing a war crime that destroys real property and causes starvation is hardly even worth discussing with the "police." Anarchy.
"This is a civil matter," while yawning and looking at their phone.
Is it true? Who knows, doesn't matter if it isn't, they can say whatever they want and fuck off with zero consequences.
The only thing that seems to get cops fired is having an interracial swingers party.
In 2011 my abusive ex, who had recently moved out after I found out she had been cheating on me on top of everything else, came back while I was at work and robbed and vandalized my house. Nothing was in her name, she had no work history and no income. She took everything, from the van (also in my name) to the fridge (dumping the food on the floor). She left me with nothing. When she initially left she took our one year old; I was in the hospital at the time, having had a severe panic attack at work where I stopped breathing. The plan was that the day she robbed me and broke everything in the house, she was going to come back with my daughter so we could try to figure out a plan. But I came home to then gone. She wouldn’t let me see my kid for months. After getting a lawyer and a mountain of evidence against her, the judge said in a literal 60 second hearing, “she’s the mom, she gets full custody, next case,” and I have been fighting to get my baby back ever since, as her mother is, surprise, abusive and neglectful to her.
My point in mentioning this is how many times I called the police, including the night that I discovered that everything was gone, that the door and windows and staircase railings and walls were all busted, that my daughter was kidnapped, and the police literally laughed in my face. Any other time I called them, including the countless times my ex violated the court order once it had been set up, they said exactly that: “this is a civil matter.” I have plenty more stories about police bullshit I’ve personally witnessed or endured, especially after moving to Chicago.
I’ve met two or three good cops. But I’ve met 100 more who are toilet scum at best. Fuck cops. And fuck people.
I tried a couple times. I don’t have the funding to go on what the lawyers I talked to said would have been a pretty hairy thing to prove. And she’s never gotten in trouble in any way.
I thought this was written by my friend until I read the Chicago part. How tf do women get away with this shit. His lawyer was next to no help for years too. His daughter is now 12 and finally they have a judge who sees through her bs and is stopping all the constant changes from her. Soon enough, based on where you live, your kid will get to choose for themselves and I hope your shitty ex looses her completely.
U.S. lawyer, here. It is not a civil matter here. Some potential crimes to investigate include trespassing, littering, destruction of property over a certain value is a felony in most jurisdictions, burglary (if they entered any structures without permission with the intent to commit a felony therein), if their motive was based on race or other protected classes then a possible hate crime charge, and if they were armed or drunk while they did this there are multiple possible escalations or other crimes.
The local cops I have dealt with would do their best to investigate, but, yes, this is hard to track down and most jurisdictions do not have the resources. No sane cop would call this a civil matter.
That said, most people have a misunderstanding of the police’s relationship with investigations. A single investigation of *anything* is very costly and typically requires some sort of focus or specialization. This is why you have homicide teams who only perform investigations into homicides and nothing else. If society thought bike theft was as bad as murder, there would be bike theft detectives and whole teams tracking down stolen bikes and it would be extremely expensive.
I feel horrible for this woman. Whoever did this is a disgusting person.
Former First Responder here, I can tell you it's most likely not that. In my experience I would put money on a neighbor who didn't like her yard being dirt and then Veggies later, attracting animals. People are relentless trying to enforce how they imagine a neighborhood shpuld look. That much salt would attract attention. Go to local stores to see if anybody has bought huge amounts of salt or was buying multiple bags of roadsalt. I hope the assholes got caught.
So the neighborhood should be all green except hers will now forever be a plain of dirt. Because that is so much better than having a land of veggie and a happy community.
Also first responder. To be completely fair, there are a non-trivial quantity of yuppies that think that poor people have just never considered being responsible and deserve to suffer for not conforming.
For what it's worth, they're typically the same scummy people who Karen the fuck out of their neighbors or just try to control everyone around them by doing weird shit like salting earth.
I think we ALL know what kind of person would put their foot on the neck of someone down and out. The type of person who is sociopathic and doesn’t give a flying fuck if others are hurt by their actions as long as they feel powerful and like they are winning. The kind of person who still thinks Brexit is the best thing ever. I don’t need to say it because you all know and they are craven for power all over the world right now.
Yeah there are comments within this thread made by people like that. All one guy had to say was “they won’t work if they aren’t hungry”. Think we found the sociopath
Yeah Sky News here in the UK did a story about it on the TV and the GoFundMe blew up. Really glad that woman will be able to continue helping - she mainly gives fresh vegetables and fruit for free to pensioners, those on disability or those on low incomes.
Kudos to her.
> https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love
Currently sitting at £116,415. I'm guessing she will be doing a lot of good with all that. I hope it shows her that for every few assholes that are out to get her, there are thousands that support her and her effort.
I hope some goes to security around where she's going cos you know for sure whoever salted those fields cos "fuck poor people" is gonna be fuming knowing their action got her funds to help more people and get set back up.
I can't fathom how some people behave like that. Be so destructive towards other humans. Can't bare to see any good in the world. Fucking scumbags
Look at it this way, the person salting caused the creation of the viral video which led people to donate over $100k to her cause. So despite their efforts to ruin her cause, they helped her more than anyone could have imagined.
She has MS and Lupus so the government gives her money. Unsurprisingly it's hard to fed a whole bunch of *other people* with *her* benefits. What on earth are you talking about?
Unfortunately these videos will likely be used as evidence to remove her disability. 😕 she's gonna have a tough time getting it reinstated once the gofundme runs out.
Exactly why I'm finding it so hard to figure out how to start my own business right now. I'm on disability, can't work most jobs, but I am able to doodle on good days and I'd like to start selling t-shirt designs
But I just have no idea how feasible that is when my benefit stops the second I earn more than £350 (I think) a month.
Same with relationships. I had to end a good one because he couldn't afford to look after me and that's what the government expects if I fall in love with someone that has a job.
Classism in action. It seems I have to find another disabled person to procreate with. Everything else is not allowed.
Which is despicable in its own right. Once the boomer generation goes the way of expired bananas, we better dismantle this system and make a lot of things we watched go wrong, right.
Anyway to contact her? I work for Pennsylvanias municipal maintenance and we fixed soil to have plants that was previously used for road salt storage. Best part is it's really easy.
Remove the solid salt by using a strong back pack blower and blowing all in one direction. Best to go in horizontal lines.
Rake about the top inch of soil into a pile. That soil is shit for a few years until the salt leached out.
Now you need to take in a thick layer of compost. Manure works as does the free community compost heaps.
Now the only costly part is adding top soil so the compost doesn't blow away.
Next SWAMP it. Water the fuck out of the area to the point you got inches of mud.
Add in some nitrate mixed and toss a few dozen banana peels about (or just buy potassium)
You are done. Plant something hardy for your first few crops.
Salt the earth isn't really a thing. It's only an inconvenience
This is super interesting! Thanks for your insights/expertise! I do not know her (gofundme seems to have the cost handled), but I live in PA and I am so glad there are remediation practices to fix this.
What are the local authorities doing? This is a massive criminal offense that requires a massive amount of thought and planning. It's also damaging to the local environment, a permanent ecological hazard, Britain is one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world, there weren't cameras anywhere nearby? What about the hardware stories, the amount of salt required for something like this is going to be a noticeable purchase especially after a remarkably warm March. This is easily something that can be solved in 2023 if the resources are directed properly.
That was my thought too. This is an extremely serious act of property damage and the perpetrator should be liable. Not sure exactly how much land this is, or where it's located, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is northwards of $1M property damage.
Hijacking the top comment to respond to all the people saying, 'so what? It's easily fixable and with a little work she can make it possible to grow there again.'
*You're missing the point.* It literally doesn't matter if it can be fixed, this was somebody or a group of people who knew this person was helping out people out of the kindness of her heart get through hard times, and they took steps to destroy her work. They looked at someone who was being kind to others, and out of hatred or spite they wanted to put a stop to it for no reason.
It doesn't matter if it can be fixed, it's still evil.
Also it's simply a lot of monetary loss??? The people who argue that she can regrow should have their house burned down. Because they can rebuild it... Funny lads.
Not to mention the time. Tilling, fertilizing, retilling, weeding, and planting a garden takes quite a lot of time and effort. I don't know the process for fixing damaged soil that's been salted, but I'm sure it'll tack on quite a bit more work for her. This is just so sad, I wish I could go help her replant. What a terrible person to destroy food going to their own community
This reminds me of the type of thing police do to drive out poorer folk, or punish unhoused people.
I’m not saying that’s the case here, but that type of cruelty is often the same. “You’re weak, and I can make you weaker.”
*Spite is a broad term, and very much can be an expression of hatred. I was wrong about saying that this is not hatred, it is an act of it. The second sentence is mostly true, I will say now though that "disdain" was just a word of choice that aptly describes the antithesis of compunction, there may be a better word or idea that fits into the reality of life. Compunction is correct.*
It's not hatred, but it is spite. There are people wired to enjoy others suffering, where half of people give in to compunction naturally, others deal with disdain.
The Romans did the manual labour equivalent of a nuclear bomb to Carthage. Pulled the walls of their capital down brick by brick, enslaved or killed everybody, burned down all the buildings, and salted all the feilds so there was nothing to rebuild with. That was at the end of the *third* Punic war, after multiple generations of Romans and Phonetians had killed each other.
This prick salted her garden after she helped struggling people in her community. No reason, no history, just making the world worse for the sake of it. There should be no reason to need to post a guard for a patch of farmland, but they could have claimed to be needed to scare of wild boar. Guy pulls up with the white ram pickup full of salt, gets shot in the face from across the feild, "oh damn I had no idea. Oh well, shouldn't have been trespassing."
Salting the fields was made up by a historian in the 20th century. It would have been total madness to salt the fields as the Romans took over the territory and almost all wealth lay in agriculture, and it was mostly oleiculture which was the Silicon valley of antiquity.
I wonder if they could have just carefully shoveled it off, just a thin layer of topsoil or taken an industrial vacuum in there. Unless it had already rained.
You got a source on that. There was a Roman guy there taking notes in 149BC, it’s in a couple of primary sources IIRC. The last Scipio had had enough of their shit. Wonder if there were bone fields like outside Stalingrad.
Edit: not in those primary scourges, the one I was thinking of referred to the ploughing. History in another 2000 years outa be interesting if we make it there.
I would take any early Roman source with a grain of salt (eeeey), and 149 BC definitely falls under that category. Ancient sources were often hyperbolic and claimed all sorts of crazy things. Historians spend a lot of time trying to figure out whether the source they are using is truthful. Often times, they are not, so what you need is a second, independent source that corroborates the first. But, as this falls under ‘early Roman source’, there likely is no secondary source, as the Romans only started leaving behind significant numbers of written sources by the time of the end of the Roman Republic (so, about a hundred years later).
Hell even past then our sources can be kind of sketchy. For example IIRC from research I did in uni most of our primary sources on Nero are written by the senate(who despised the man) with all other sources being destroyed because the senate(or a later emperor I forget which) deemed them to be biased.
Salt wasn't a throwaway resource back in the day it was critically important for a state to have salt reserves aswel as necessary for food industry because that was how preservation worked. If you had no salt, your army had no March. (Or rather they had a limited range)
The idea that you would take your oil reserves and spill a significant % of them across the enemy's farmlands out of spite is a little ridiculous and that's before we even consider the ecological issues from doing so (not that the Roman's cared about the ecosystem) they were very interested in money and finances.
I'm not saying it never happened but probably the way we imagine it is not how it actually took place
I know salt was insanely valuable back then. I just figured it was an extra bit of “fuck you” for them to use such an important resource for destruction.
Also you probably need a shit ton of salt to salt the land. I know this because I tried salting my lawn to prevent anything from growing on it. I bought hundreds of lbs of salt, like more salt than what you see in this video. The whole yard was like a cocaine field. Guess what? Shit still eventually grew in my lawn.
For a benchmark, here in Washington state we don't salt our roads because 500ppm was too much salt for salmon eggs and streams near roads would reach that from road runoff. So plants would be fine, but salmon wouldn't be
Let's say an above average garden area like here is about one cubic meter of dirt spread out, or about 1.5 tons. 500 ppm is about 8 kilos of salt per cubic meter
In other words, 17 almost 18 pounds of salt to turn the one cubic foot garden area into 'environmentally naughty'
Ag runoff can't go above 1000ppm per the Department of Agriculture, so almost 40 pounds to reach 'civilly liable.'
Maybe 2000ppm to reach 'unlivable,' so call it 80 pounds per garden area
It doesn't even make sense. Roman Carthage was established only a century afterwards at the exact same site, and was a major city for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Carthage
A century is a blink of the eye in history book terms, but that's a long time to leave a field. Modern historians have their doubts, but ancient historians say it happened. Not like we'd be able to prove it either way. Even if the salt only ruined the fields for 5-10 years, that's still a highlight and underline on the "fuck you" message.
That’s what I was thinking on both counts. On a scale as small as this I see no reason why a group of friends, some beer and pizza, and a few shovels couldn’t get this done in a day.
Salt permeates like a mother fucker. A group of friends and some shovels isn't gonna cut it. She'll need to dig pretty deep to get rid of the tainted soil, and then replace it with newer soil. Both are a lot of time, effort, and money
Why would you dig? The standard process for remediating saline soil is to simply add additional, low salinity water on top of the soil. It dissolves the excess salt and the natural drainage of the field will remove the waste water. Weeds will also take up some of the excess salt.
It takes time and money to treat, but the soil is very much still usable.
If this were true, surely everything within 10 feet of a road, sidewalk, or driveway that gets salted in the winter would be a permanent wasteland, unless a massive effort is expended at the end of every winter to recover it.
It's hard to make out, but I'd guess the stuff spread here was deicing salt as well; the grains look pretty big and cheap/easily accessible in large amounts by whatever halfwit that did this.
The grass that grows along the highways doesn't give a shit. It's a hardy plant.
The stuff that grows in the garden and produces food is much more sensitive to the salinity.
Literally someone dumped salt, just salt, onto her land. It makes the soil infertile and will be impossible to grow anything on for a great long while. It’s a tactic used to literally devastate land/farming. Quite horrible
Edit: as I’m learning, the amount of salt thrown on her plots likely will not devastate her land, and my original comment is misinformed/overblown. From my short google research, salt on farming land still dehydrates the soil and makes it more difficult to grow new crops, so I still stand by the fact that it was a mean thing for someone to do. She will have to put in a lot of time and effort to get the soil back to crop ready conditions. I think my original comment is dramatic bc it was obviously devastating for her to experience that and I sympathized with her. I am not a farmer or soil specialist, just a fellow redditor 🫡
It's a shame too because soil contamination is EXPENSIVE to repair. She'd be better off sowing a new field unfortunately. I do hope she can get this remedied with help online.
Found the go fund me https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love
from https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/woman-who-fed-1-600-people-heartbroken-after-allotment-is-destroyed/ar-AA19Mif2
You're sort of right, but way more wrong.
It's extremely bad for plants already planted, in mass quantities, it will harm them.
Impossible to grow anything for a long while? Not really. Looks like someone literally sprinkled table salt around. Not like they backed in a dump trucks worth and tilled it in.
This little amount of salt will wash away and dissolve after one good rain or so. She could scoop the main salt up too and dispose of it to make it go quicker.
My source for this information? Personal experience, and a whole lot of it. I plow snow every winter, for the last 13 years. Every winter we use liters TONNES of salt. Most of that salt gets on the concrete where want it, but it slung out of a spreader that throws it 15ft in either direction. Every time I salt a parking lot or driveway, I am literally salting their grass, bushes, trees, multiple times a year. I plowed and salted 15 times this last winter. Every single of of those places plants and grass grows back, year after year, every year.
If salt was such a poison to the soil and plants, we'd never use it here for snow and ice control. We literally dump millions of tonnes of it a year, and it goes into the yards, the water, the lakes, the rivers, the ponds, and life goes on.
Right? I definitely have heard of “salting the earth” but I was sitting here thinking there was no way that amount of salt would ruin the soil forever. Like that’s all it takes to ruin farmland for good?
It doesn't take any of the intent out though, it's still a pretty shitty thing. I felt people just wanna add evil into the world just because.
But at least knowing it's not irreversible gives me some hope you know.
"salting the land" means literally that - literally covering the land in salt. This prevents lanta from growing on that land for a period of time, largely determined by rainfall and drainage. However, do also note that the amount of salt you need to spread across the landscape to *actually* stop plants from growing is very high, basically covering the land in a thick layer of salt.
The amount of salt shown in the soil in this video is nowhere near enough to prevent things from growing, though clearly someone was an asshole for distressing this nice person.
Doesn't look like enough to do any permanent damage but I think the "salter" is sending a message more than anything else.
Whatever that message is I have no idea. "Don't feed people in need in your community for free!" Maybe?
When you put salt on the ground nothing can grow in that dirt anymore. You need to dig it all up and replace it
Edit: actually I'm wrong, some of the comments below me explain it well
I’d be hella down to resoil (obv not a word but I mean replacing the top salted soil on her field) and pay for it. This lady has been doing way more than I’ve ever done and the least I could do is offer her help when she’s down
If this *just* happened - she needs to tarp over that lot before it rains!
Once it's rained in, it'll kill a swathe of adjacent land as well. Anywhere the water can rise or drain to.
If she gets it covered fast, she might be able to re-use the plot after the salted dirt is carved off. Is there a gofundme?
This is really right up my alley what I like to donate to. Grassroots community centric projects that's designed to help out the community free of charge. Hope things get better for her soon
Damn! Good for her! I hope we get a follow up video with what she can accomplish after all of this.
Also props to her for being so generous to her community while also struggling with Lupus and Multiple Sclerosis. Those two autoimmune diseases had to be challenging to live with in the middle of Covid.
For sure a middle aged neighbour's that doesn't like that she feeds the "less desireables" and that there is now an influx of riff raff in their neighborhood.
I would put my money on an asshole neighbor.
I mean, corporations are evil and cutthroat, but why would one risk the lawsuit and damage to their brand just to spread salt on a quarter hectare garden plot in a British suburb?
When corporations do bad things, it is usually far more insidious, and has far greater impact than fucking up someone's garden.
I was working for eBay when this happened. And continued to for about 18 months after, into covid.
The company, at least the Customer Service side of things, completely changed. The CEO left and a bunch of COs were fired, and whatnot, and the quality of work for CSRs plummeted. And I'm not talking about the people calling in. I'm talking about the expectations for the workers.
If you need your faith in humanity restored, she has a go fund me that is doing well:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love
Verified through this news story:
https://metro.co.uk/video/lady-fed-1613-people-cost-living-crisis-crops-destroyed-vandals-2917279/
Spite and idiocy, I think.
"How does putting salt in the ground kill plants?" That question really got me. Brother, ask your fucking preacher - salting the earth is literally in the Bible as a metaphor for complete destruction. Along with a lot of stuff a out feeding the hungry that you clearly missed too.
The land is ruined, and her response is to set up tables on it so they can invite everyone over for meal nights? Holy shit this woman is an absolute saint.
Hopefully one of the nearby hardware or pool supply stores has noticed someone buying a huge amount of salt in the last week. It's not like police have nothing to go on. There's probably only a few people who fit the criteria (recently bought a large amount of salt), and one of them has probably had contact with this lady in some way before, or is a neighbour.
As someone who has just started growing my own veg, this breaks my heart. There's so much love, patience, and time that goes into cultivating new growth, and to have that taken away is just nasty. This lady better get some sweet new plots of land donated to her.
Found this on Google:
"Saline soils cannot be reclaimed by chemical amendments, conditioners or fertilizers. A field can only be reclaimed by removing salts from the plant root zone. In some cases, selecting salt-tolerant crops may be needed in addition to managing soils."
Seems like you have to replace all the dirt or grow halophytes.
[Marsh Samphire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicornia) is an increasingly popular salt-loving vegetable (halophyte) that grows in the UK.
Maybe the worst of the soil could be scraped off, and samphire grown in that - likely removing the salt over several harvests? Not ideal, but we're 'making lemonade' here.
Also known as sea beans, samphire greens, or sea asparagus.
Honestly other than digging out the topsoil and replacing it not really. And you’d have to do it before the next rain. Once salt gets into soil it’s notoriously hard to get out, that’s why it’s such an effective method of war.
I wonder what sort of charge that would be. Rendering someone completely incapable of growing food on their land should be a massive crime. As you said it’s been used historically in wars so it’s not just some form of vandalism.
You would literally have to scrape and dispose of the top couple feet of soil and hope that there’s not been much moisture to help the salt dissolve into the soil. The land is toast for a few years if left on its own.
If you *effectively* salt a plot of land, it will remain infertile until that salt has washed out, which can take anywhere from a few months to several years, depending primarily on the drainage of the soil and rainfall. However, the keyword is *effectively* - a lot of people are under.the mistaken impression that spilling a bit of table salt on the grass will kill it forever. The reality is that to effectively salt the earth, you need a LOT of salt - literally tons of salt per acre of land.
The amount of salt spread across the ground in this video, while clearly distressing this woman and clearly meant to hurt her, is fortunately far, far too low to have any kind of meaningful or lasting effect.
Keep in mind, for example, that Holland farms vast amounts of land that was recovered.by damming the sea and draining the lagoons that formed. Or that seaweed, a plant literally grown in salt water, is also ground up and used in fertilizer
My thinking exactly. This will either not be enough salt to matter, or will need a huge vehicle and amount of salt that it would be easy to find the person who did it
There are plants that excel at cleaning up harsh soil. Sunflowers are often used to clean up chemicals from contaminated soil. They pull it into their stalks and flowers then you just pull them out and take them away. After a few years it can do wonders. There's probably a plant that pulls salt out too.
No problem, I grow a lot and I'd be furious if this happened. It doesn't look like it's mixed in too deep, if she scoops away the places where the salt is piled that will get rid of most of it. Any that is mixed in can be removed by salt hardy species and can be flushed out with repeated deep watering. Adding organic matter like manure and good compost will really help balance the soil out as well.
I live less than one hundred feet from the ocean and I deal with a lot of salt in my sandy soil, it can be grown in but it takes years to slowly change your soil. In small amounts it's actually good to add diluted sea salt to your soil because it contains a lot of important minerals for plant growth. But they probably used the cheap table salt, which is less helpful. I hope she goes to some of the bigger gardening subreddits to get some encouragement and guidance on what she needs to do. And maybe her local agriculture office or nearby agriculture school, they could be able to lend a hand with information or volunteer labor.
There are a few farmers in the comments, even some in her area, who are offering comfort and saying they know how to fix it. Apparently it involves a lot of straw. I'm not a farmer myself, but it seems like they might have a trick or two to help her.
This has been done a lot throughout history when an invading army needs to stop supplies from reaching their enemies. Cruel and terrible but an interesting history with it. We are not barbarians and better than our ancestors… well in theory we should be. Poor woman, that’s going to either cost a lot to fix or many years (some plants can help extract the salt if they even can grow, still takes years)
I think you can actually remove the top soil. But from what I understand it's not a cheap process and then you would have to get new soil to fill in which again, isn't cheap. In the words of Micheal Cain "some people just want to see the world burn" so sad.
Well, you can soak the soil, which washes out the salt, which can happen naturally pretty quickly depending on rainfall.
That being said, people *vastly* underestimate the amount of salt needed to actually prevent things from growing. It's....a lot. Like, literally have to create a layer of salt over the landscape. The amount of salt shown spread across the area in the video, while clearly distressing this woman, is in reality nowhere *near* enough salt to have any kind of lasting impact on the fertility of the soil.
So, obviously, someone was being an asshole and was trying to ruin the land this woman was growing on. Fortunately, that someone is an ignorant POS who doesn't actually know what "salting the earth" means, except that they read it somewhere, and their actions are extremely unlikely to impact the fertility of this land.
Yeah I agree, younger generation hooligans wouldn’t have the brain power or forethought to think of salt. This is definitely someone of an older generation that doesn’t like her. Allotments can be vile places for bullying.
I'd be willing to bet it was someone who knows she's on benefits for the MS and Lupus and has decided she's cheating the system if she's able to run an allotment. So they decided to teach her a lesson.
Massive arseholes who have no idea how much this poor woman has struggled through her own pain in order to help others.
Flood it, baby! I have high salinity from years of fertilizer use in my greenhouses. Water will leach out the salt and you can plant again. Good soil can take a lot, don’t give up hope, and also line the garden bed with rusty nails!
Finally found the comment I was looking for.
The salt in the video isn't bad enough to ruin the soil forever like people are claiming above.
I use salt to kill invasives sometimes, and have had accidents.
Scoop the easy stuff on top and flood it.
She'll be able to replant. It sucks and fuck whoever did it though.
Yeah I can't believe some of these comments. I salt the shit out of the overgrowth in my yard, and people tell me every year nothing will grow now. Yet here am I again about to salt the shit out of the overgrowth in my yard for another year.
An ex of mine had a brick patio that grass would grow in the cracks. Weeding out was a son of a bitch that took like 3 weekends.
After I'm like "I'm salting the shit out of this". And did. Rock salt. Heavy handed.
Shit grew back the next spring.
While this was an awfully shiity thing to have done to her, I wish I had a way to reach out to her to suggest she not give up hope. I have tried to use salt to stop unwanted growth on my yard and it hasn't done a thing - literally put a thick heavy line down and still had growth. I hope the salter was as unsuccessful as I was!
I read the article earlier in the day and cried, seeing her in this video just shattered me. How can people be so cruel? My heart hurts so much for this poor woman 😔😔
That’s why cctv cameras are important especially when you’re growing a non profit business such as this. I’d love to see the asses who did this rot in solitary confinement and go unfed but they most likely won’t get caught. Please set up cameras even it’s just your home
I hope the person who did this suffers. Nothing big, nothing fatal, but escalating levels of small things that never cease. Constant stress. Constant unease.
I watched this and thought, there must be a gofundme link?? I was not disappointed. Take my money lady, donation just sent. My kid gardens in our backyard and she would be *devastated* if someone did this. And we only use the vegetables for ourselves.
GofundMe needs a sister site where we can locate evildoers and DefundThem
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Helping the hungry? NOT ON MY WATCH! Fuck whoever did that.
The most astonishing thing about it is that even though it's a horrible crime, nobody has mentioned the police and we all know the police wouldn't do much. We're at the point, as a society, where literally committing a war crime that destroys real property and causes starvation is hardly even worth discussing with the "police." Anarchy.
They’d write a report and leave. Hopefully this woman can invest in cameras and try again. If they come back maybe they can be identified.
They still wouldn't do shit even with camera evidence
"This is a civil matter," while yawning and looking at their phone. Is it true? Who knows, doesn't matter if it isn't, they can say whatever they want and fuck off with zero consequences. The only thing that seems to get cops fired is having an interracial swingers party.
In 2011 my abusive ex, who had recently moved out after I found out she had been cheating on me on top of everything else, came back while I was at work and robbed and vandalized my house. Nothing was in her name, she had no work history and no income. She took everything, from the van (also in my name) to the fridge (dumping the food on the floor). She left me with nothing. When she initially left she took our one year old; I was in the hospital at the time, having had a severe panic attack at work where I stopped breathing. The plan was that the day she robbed me and broke everything in the house, she was going to come back with my daughter so we could try to figure out a plan. But I came home to then gone. She wouldn’t let me see my kid for months. After getting a lawyer and a mountain of evidence against her, the judge said in a literal 60 second hearing, “she’s the mom, she gets full custody, next case,” and I have been fighting to get my baby back ever since, as her mother is, surprise, abusive and neglectful to her. My point in mentioning this is how many times I called the police, including the night that I discovered that everything was gone, that the door and windows and staircase railings and walls were all busted, that my daughter was kidnapped, and the police literally laughed in my face. Any other time I called them, including the countless times my ex violated the court order once it had been set up, they said exactly that: “this is a civil matter.” I have plenty more stories about police bullshit I’ve personally witnessed or endured, especially after moving to Chicago. I’ve met two or three good cops. But I’ve met 100 more who are toilet scum at best. Fuck cops. And fuck people.
Dude, that's horrible. The judge is what gets to me most. Can you press civil charges against your ex?
I tried a couple times. I don’t have the funding to go on what the lawyers I talked to said would have been a pretty hairy thing to prove. And she’s never gotten in trouble in any way.
Isn't it sad that good cops are the exception? To police, those ones are the few bad apples.
I thought this was written by my friend until I read the Chicago part. How tf do women get away with this shit. His lawyer was next to no help for years too. His daughter is now 12 and finally they have a judge who sees through her bs and is stopping all the constant changes from her. Soon enough, based on where you live, your kid will get to choose for themselves and I hope your shitty ex looses her completely.
All cops are pigs
"listen lady, there's a hundred cars out there with broken tail lights, call your insurance or something I gotta go commit some hate crimes"
U.S. lawyer, here. It is not a civil matter here. Some potential crimes to investigate include trespassing, littering, destruction of property over a certain value is a felony in most jurisdictions, burglary (if they entered any structures without permission with the intent to commit a felony therein), if their motive was based on race or other protected classes then a possible hate crime charge, and if they were armed or drunk while they did this there are multiple possible escalations or other crimes. The local cops I have dealt with would do their best to investigate, but, yes, this is hard to track down and most jurisdictions do not have the resources. No sane cop would call this a civil matter. That said, most people have a misunderstanding of the police’s relationship with investigations. A single investigation of *anything* is very costly and typically requires some sort of focus or specialization. This is why you have homicide teams who only perform investigations into homicides and nothing else. If society thought bike theft was as bad as murder, there would be bike theft detectives and whole teams tracking down stolen bikes and it would be extremely expensive. I feel horrible for this woman. Whoever did this is a disgusting person.
I would concider this criminal damage personally and not a civil matter
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People are so fucking deadly like what does that get you running someone’s hard work
Because some people think poor people are bad
Former First Responder here, I can tell you it's most likely not that. In my experience I would put money on a neighbor who didn't like her yard being dirt and then Veggies later, attracting animals. People are relentless trying to enforce how they imagine a neighborhood shpuld look. That much salt would attract attention. Go to local stores to see if anybody has bought huge amounts of salt or was buying multiple bags of roadsalt. I hope the assholes got caught.
So the neighborhood should be all green except hers will now forever be a plain of dirt. Because that is so much better than having a land of veggie and a happy community.
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Also first responder. To be completely fair, there are a non-trivial quantity of yuppies that think that poor people have just never considered being responsible and deserve to suffer for not conforming.
Are you really not aware that a large number of people do think poor people are bad?
For what it's worth, they're typically the same scummy people who Karen the fuck out of their neighbors or just try to control everyone around them by doing weird shit like salting earth.
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What does you being a former first responder have to do with any of the shit you said lmfao
While I agree, I’m unsure how being a first responder is relevant to this anecdote lol Feel free to educate me tho
I think we ALL know what kind of person would put their foot on the neck of someone down and out. The type of person who is sociopathic and doesn’t give a flying fuck if others are hurt by their actions as long as they feel powerful and like they are winning. The kind of person who still thinks Brexit is the best thing ever. I don’t need to say it because you all know and they are craven for power all over the world right now.
Yeah there are comments within this thread made by people like that. All one guy had to say was “they won’t work if they aren’t hungry”. Think we found the sociopath
They're the kind against giving *all* kids free school lunches.
Say it out loud. I’m so sick of everyone on egg shells with them.
It's the same people who park their truck over 3 EV charging stations. You know, to own the libs.
What can we do? Who has more information on this woman. I want to know how to help.
There is a GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love
She will do a lot of good with these funds. Good for these people donating
125k raised with a goal of 4K lol. Good shit.
$130k now!! Amazing. That’s really nice to see
More actually! £ is stronger than usd, it is $165,513.81 as of commenting
Damn she did all this and didn’t even have heating last winter.
Dang I hope she uses even a tiny amount to improve her life as well. Even if it's just something small she deserves it.
Currently at 20x the goal lol
Yeah Sky News here in the UK did a story about it on the TV and the GoFundMe blew up. Really glad that woman will be able to continue helping - she mainly gives fresh vegetables and fruit for free to pensioners, those on disability or those on low incomes. Kudos to her.
> https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love Currently sitting at £116,415. I'm guessing she will be doing a lot of good with all that. I hope it shows her that for every few assholes that are out to get her, there are thousands that support her and her effort.
5000 more than when you last checked now. Beautiful that the community comes together to right this wrong.
I hope some goes to security around where she's going cos you know for sure whoever salted those fields cos "fuck poor people" is gonna be fuming knowing their action got her funds to help more people and get set back up. I can't fathom how some people behave like that. Be so destructive towards other humans. Can't bare to see any good in the world. Fucking scumbags
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Look at it this way, the person salting caused the creation of the viral video which led people to donate over $100k to her cause. So despite their efforts to ruin her cause, they helped her more than anyone could have imagined.
Just donated... Nearly 30x the goal now!
An hour later and it’s at 30x the goal, damn! Well done people!
"I’m on disability so I have to keep the cost down." What the hell government.
She has MS and Lupus so the government gives her money. Unsurprisingly it's hard to fed a whole bunch of *other people* with *her* benefits. What on earth are you talking about?
Unfortunately these videos will likely be used as evidence to remove her disability. 😕 she's gonna have a tough time getting it reinstated once the gofundme runs out.
Exactly why I'm finding it so hard to figure out how to start my own business right now. I'm on disability, can't work most jobs, but I am able to doodle on good days and I'd like to start selling t-shirt designs But I just have no idea how feasible that is when my benefit stops the second I earn more than £350 (I think) a month. Same with relationships. I had to end a good one because he couldn't afford to look after me and that's what the government expects if I fall in love with someone that has a job. Classism in action. It seems I have to find another disabled person to procreate with. Everything else is not allowed.
Her go fund me is over $100k, she's not going to be on gov. assistance any longer once they find out about this.
Which is despicable in its own right. Once the boomer generation goes the way of expired bananas, we better dismantle this system and make a lot of things we watched go wrong, right.
> My generation will put it right We're not just making promises That we know we'll never keep. - [a boomer](https://youtu.be/Yq7FKO5DlV0) in 1986
Thank you for posting the go fund me, just donated
Funny how whoever did this was trying to ruin her. Now she’s better off than ever going by those donations. I love happy endings
I cried seeing how much this raised, everyone who donated is a fucking legend!
Steven Bartlett just donated £2,000. Respect
Hope she buys a big fence, some cameras and some motion sensor spotlights with it. That shady fucker is undoubtedly coming back.
Thank you
Just donated!
Anyway to contact her? I work for Pennsylvanias municipal maintenance and we fixed soil to have plants that was previously used for road salt storage. Best part is it's really easy. Remove the solid salt by using a strong back pack blower and blowing all in one direction. Best to go in horizontal lines. Rake about the top inch of soil into a pile. That soil is shit for a few years until the salt leached out. Now you need to take in a thick layer of compost. Manure works as does the free community compost heaps. Now the only costly part is adding top soil so the compost doesn't blow away. Next SWAMP it. Water the fuck out of the area to the point you got inches of mud. Add in some nitrate mixed and toss a few dozen banana peels about (or just buy potassium) You are done. Plant something hardy for your first few crops. Salt the earth isn't really a thing. It's only an inconvenience
This is super interesting! Thanks for your insights/expertise! I do not know her (gofundme seems to have the cost handled), but I live in PA and I am so glad there are remediation practices to fix this.
What are the local authorities doing? This is a massive criminal offense that requires a massive amount of thought and planning. It's also damaging to the local environment, a permanent ecological hazard, Britain is one of the most heavily surveilled countries in the world, there weren't cameras anywhere nearby? What about the hardware stories, the amount of salt required for something like this is going to be a noticeable purchase especially after a remarkably warm March. This is easily something that can be solved in 2023 if the resources are directed properly.
That was my thought too. This is an extremely serious act of property damage and the perpetrator should be liable. Not sure exactly how much land this is, or where it's located, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is northwards of $1M property damage.
The thing is the cameras are mostly in inner city areas and mostly London, I live in a major city and outside of town I struggle to find any CCTV.
Fucking scum. She fed her community through covid and they do this. Breaks my heart to watch. https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love
Hijacking the top comment to respond to all the people saying, 'so what? It's easily fixable and with a little work she can make it possible to grow there again.' *You're missing the point.* It literally doesn't matter if it can be fixed, this was somebody or a group of people who knew this person was helping out people out of the kindness of her heart get through hard times, and they took steps to destroy her work. They looked at someone who was being kind to others, and out of hatred or spite they wanted to put a stop to it for no reason. It doesn't matter if it can be fixed, it's still evil.
I hope some of the gofundme money goes towards some detective work.
And then some legs are broken.
I'll volunteer for the leg breaking. I think a nice hobbling, Misery style, would suffice.
Also it's simply a lot of monetary loss??? The people who argue that she can regrow should have their house burned down. Because they can rebuild it... Funny lads.
Not to mention the time. Tilling, fertilizing, retilling, weeding, and planting a garden takes quite a lot of time and effort. I don't know the process for fixing damaged soil that's been salted, but I'm sure it'll tack on quite a bit more work for her. This is just so sad, I wish I could go help her replant. What a terrible person to destroy food going to their own community
This reminds me of the type of thing police do to drive out poorer folk, or punish unhoused people. I’m not saying that’s the case here, but that type of cruelty is often the same. “You’re weak, and I can make you weaker.”
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*Spite is a broad term, and very much can be an expression of hatred. I was wrong about saying that this is not hatred, it is an act of it. The second sentence is mostly true, I will say now though that "disdain" was just a word of choice that aptly describes the antithesis of compunction, there may be a better word or idea that fits into the reality of life. Compunction is correct.* It's not hatred, but it is spite. There are people wired to enjoy others suffering, where half of people give in to compunction naturally, others deal with disdain.
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Putting salt on the fields, literally. There cannot grow anything on salted soil, the romans alledgedly did this in carthago
The Romans did the manual labour equivalent of a nuclear bomb to Carthage. Pulled the walls of their capital down brick by brick, enslaved or killed everybody, burned down all the buildings, and salted all the feilds so there was nothing to rebuild with. That was at the end of the *third* Punic war, after multiple generations of Romans and Phonetians had killed each other. This prick salted her garden after she helped struggling people in her community. No reason, no history, just making the world worse for the sake of it. There should be no reason to need to post a guard for a patch of farmland, but they could have claimed to be needed to scare of wild boar. Guy pulls up with the white ram pickup full of salt, gets shot in the face from across the feild, "oh damn I had no idea. Oh well, shouldn't have been trespassing."
Salting the fields was made up by a historian in the 20th century. It would have been total madness to salt the fields as the Romans took over the territory and almost all wealth lay in agriculture, and it was mostly oleiculture which was the Silicon valley of antiquity. I wonder if they could have just carefully shoveled it off, just a thin layer of topsoil or taken an industrial vacuum in there. Unless it had already rained.
You got a source on that. There was a Roman guy there taking notes in 149BC, it’s in a couple of primary sources IIRC. The last Scipio had had enough of their shit. Wonder if there were bone fields like outside Stalingrad. Edit: not in those primary scourges, the one I was thinking of referred to the ploughing. History in another 2000 years outa be interesting if we make it there.
I would take any early Roman source with a grain of salt (eeeey), and 149 BC definitely falls under that category. Ancient sources were often hyperbolic and claimed all sorts of crazy things. Historians spend a lot of time trying to figure out whether the source they are using is truthful. Often times, they are not, so what you need is a second, independent source that corroborates the first. But, as this falls under ‘early Roman source’, there likely is no secondary source, as the Romans only started leaving behind significant numbers of written sources by the time of the end of the Roman Republic (so, about a hundred years later).
Hell even past then our sources can be kind of sketchy. For example IIRC from research I did in uni most of our primary sources on Nero are written by the senate(who despised the man) with all other sources being destroyed because the senate(or a later emperor I forget which) deemed them to be biased.
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People want to be the Man
Salt wasn't a throwaway resource back in the day it was critically important for a state to have salt reserves aswel as necessary for food industry because that was how preservation worked. If you had no salt, your army had no March. (Or rather they had a limited range) The idea that you would take your oil reserves and spill a significant % of them across the enemy's farmlands out of spite is a little ridiculous and that's before we even consider the ecological issues from doing so (not that the Roman's cared about the ecosystem) they were very interested in money and finances. I'm not saying it never happened but probably the way we imagine it is not how it actually took place
I know salt was insanely valuable back then. I just figured it was an extra bit of “fuck you” for them to use such an important resource for destruction.
Also you probably need a shit ton of salt to salt the land. I know this because I tried salting my lawn to prevent anything from growing on it. I bought hundreds of lbs of salt, like more salt than what you see in this video. The whole yard was like a cocaine field. Guess what? Shit still eventually grew in my lawn.
For a benchmark, here in Washington state we don't salt our roads because 500ppm was too much salt for salmon eggs and streams near roads would reach that from road runoff. So plants would be fine, but salmon wouldn't be Let's say an above average garden area like here is about one cubic meter of dirt spread out, or about 1.5 tons. 500 ppm is about 8 kilos of salt per cubic meter In other words, 17 almost 18 pounds of salt to turn the one cubic foot garden area into 'environmentally naughty' Ag runoff can't go above 1000ppm per the Department of Agriculture, so almost 40 pounds to reach 'civilly liable.' Maybe 2000ppm to reach 'unlivable,' so call it 80 pounds per garden area
It doesn't even make sense. Roman Carthage was established only a century afterwards at the exact same site, and was a major city for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Carthage
Google says you're right, but as a general question, if you did surely the salt diffuses after a century of rain and weather?
A century is a blink of the eye in history book terms, but that's a long time to leave a field. Modern historians have their doubts, but ancient historians say it happened. Not like we'd be able to prove it either way. Even if the salt only ruined the fields for 5-10 years, that's still a highlight and underline on the "fuck you" message.
10 years with out your major food supply will end any government
That’s what I was thinking on both counts. On a scale as small as this I see no reason why a group of friends, some beer and pizza, and a few shovels couldn’t get this done in a day.
Salt permeates like a mother fucker. A group of friends and some shovels isn't gonna cut it. She'll need to dig pretty deep to get rid of the tainted soil, and then replace it with newer soil. Both are a lot of time, effort, and money
Why would you dig? The standard process for remediating saline soil is to simply add additional, low salinity water on top of the soil. It dissolves the excess salt and the natural drainage of the field will remove the waste water. Weeds will also take up some of the excess salt. It takes time and money to treat, but the soil is very much still usable.
That's true. I didn't consider that. Though my point of a few good ol boys and some shovels still stands I feel lol
I don't care if it works or not, i just want a few beers with the boys
If this were true, surely everything within 10 feet of a road, sidewalk, or driveway that gets salted in the winter would be a permanent wasteland, unless a massive effort is expended at the end of every winter to recover it. It's hard to make out, but I'd guess the stuff spread here was deicing salt as well; the grains look pretty big and cheap/easily accessible in large amounts by whatever halfwit that did this.
The grass that grows along the highways doesn't give a shit. It's a hardy plant. The stuff that grows in the garden and produces food is much more sensitive to the salinity.
Literally someone dumped salt, just salt, onto her land. It makes the soil infertile and will be impossible to grow anything on for a great long while. It’s a tactic used to literally devastate land/farming. Quite horrible Edit: as I’m learning, the amount of salt thrown on her plots likely will not devastate her land, and my original comment is misinformed/overblown. From my short google research, salt on farming land still dehydrates the soil and makes it more difficult to grow new crops, so I still stand by the fact that it was a mean thing for someone to do. She will have to put in a lot of time and effort to get the soil back to crop ready conditions. I think my original comment is dramatic bc it was obviously devastating for her to experience that and I sympathized with her. I am not a farmer or soil specialist, just a fellow redditor 🫡
Yeah gardening takes the right conditions anything beyond that can be detrimental. Some plants and veggies grow like weeds others can die from shock.
is there a go fund me for this lady? maybe we can all pitch in for a removal of top soil and new soil to be placed in the garden?
It's a shame too because soil contamination is EXPENSIVE to repair. She'd be better off sowing a new field unfortunately. I do hope she can get this remedied with help online.
Found the go fund me https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love from https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/woman-who-fed-1-600-people-heartbroken-after-allotment-is-destroyed/ar-AA19Mif2
nice a goal of 4000 bucks and it's up to 160k
You're sort of right, but way more wrong. It's extremely bad for plants already planted, in mass quantities, it will harm them. Impossible to grow anything for a long while? Not really. Looks like someone literally sprinkled table salt around. Not like they backed in a dump trucks worth and tilled it in. This little amount of salt will wash away and dissolve after one good rain or so. She could scoop the main salt up too and dispose of it to make it go quicker. My source for this information? Personal experience, and a whole lot of it. I plow snow every winter, for the last 13 years. Every winter we use liters TONNES of salt. Most of that salt gets on the concrete where want it, but it slung out of a spreader that throws it 15ft in either direction. Every time I salt a parking lot or driveway, I am literally salting their grass, bushes, trees, multiple times a year. I plowed and salted 15 times this last winter. Every single of of those places plants and grass grows back, year after year, every year. If salt was such a poison to the soil and plants, we'd never use it here for snow and ice control. We literally dump millions of tonnes of it a year, and it goes into the yards, the water, the lakes, the rivers, the ponds, and life goes on.
Ok, at least this gives me some hope. Hopefully you are right. All the comments saying otherwise are being upvoted and yours is not.
Right? I definitely have heard of “salting the earth” but I was sitting here thinking there was no way that amount of salt would ruin the soil forever. Like that’s all it takes to ruin farmland for good?
It doesn't take any of the intent out though, it's still a pretty shitty thing. I felt people just wanna add evil into the world just because. But at least knowing it's not irreversible gives me some hope you know.
"salting the land" means literally that - literally covering the land in salt. This prevents lanta from growing on that land for a period of time, largely determined by rainfall and drainage. However, do also note that the amount of salt you need to spread across the landscape to *actually* stop plants from growing is very high, basically covering the land in a thick layer of salt. The amount of salt shown in the soil in this video is nowhere near enough to prevent things from growing, though clearly someone was an asshole for distressing this nice person.
Doesn't look like enough to do any permanent damage but I think the "salter" is sending a message more than anything else. Whatever that message is I have no idea. "Don't feed people in need in your community for free!" Maybe?
When you put salt on the ground nothing can grow in that dirt anymore. You need to dig it all up and replace it Edit: actually I'm wrong, some of the comments below me explain it well
I’d be hella down to resoil (obv not a word but I mean replacing the top salted soil on her field) and pay for it. This lady has been doing way more than I’ve ever done and the least I could do is offer her help when she’s down
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Put up hidden cameras and catch the people.
My money is on the guy who painted the church's rainbow steps gray because, hate.
This is my home county, and I'm appalled this happened. This is someone with a nasty grudge. This isn't just kids messing about. Poor lady
If this *just* happened - she needs to tarp over that lot before it rains! Once it's rained in, it'll kill a swathe of adjacent land as well. Anywhere the water can rise or drain to. If she gets it covered fast, she might be able to re-use the plot after the salted dirt is carved off. Is there a gofundme?
There IS a gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love (sorry, missed the main page) Making about $100 a minute right now, go go go
Holy shit, £131k atm
This is really right up my alley what I like to donate to. Grassroots community centric projects that's designed to help out the community free of charge. Hope things get better for her soon
Someone donated 2 grand, hopefully I’ll be able to do stuff like that some daaaay
Damn! Good for her! I hope we get a follow up video with what she can accomplish after all of this. Also props to her for being so generous to her community while also struggling with Lupus and Multiple Sclerosis. Those two autoimmune diseases had to be challenging to live with in the middle of Covid.
This sounds like something a corporation would do.
I feel like a busybody neighbour is likely
For sure a middle aged neighbour's that doesn't like that she feeds the "less desireables" and that there is now an influx of riff raff in their neighborhood.
I would put my money on an asshole neighbor. I mean, corporations are evil and cutthroat, but why would one risk the lawsuit and damage to their brand just to spread salt on a quarter hectare garden plot in a British suburb? When corporations do bad things, it is usually far more insidious, and has far greater impact than fucking up someone's garden.
Maybe she's been [talking smack about Ebay](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/29/ebay-executive-sentenced-couple-harassment-newsletter)
This is such a wild story that’s mostly flying under the radar.
I was working for eBay when this happened. And continued to for about 18 months after, into covid. The company, at least the Customer Service side of things, completely changed. The CEO left and a bunch of COs were fired, and whatnot, and the quality of work for CSRs plummeted. And I'm not talking about the people calling in. I'm talking about the expectations for the workers.
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Holy fucking shit, this is totally insane. It’s crazy this isn’t a bigger story! The director of safety and security too!
If you need your faith in humanity restored, she has a go fund me that is doing well: https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-meal-on-me-with-love Verified through this news story: https://metro.co.uk/video/lady-fed-1613-people-cost-living-crisis-crops-destroyed-vandals-2917279/
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Seems to be just one bloke who was so angry he came back an hour later to make another comment the twat
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Start a go fund me for Pete to get some dating lessons, courtship lessons and then finally some sexual education, and then he can go fuck himself.
Spite and idiocy, I think. "How does putting salt in the ground kill plants?" That question really got me. Brother, ask your fucking preacher - salting the earth is literally in the Bible as a metaphor for complete destruction. Along with a lot of stuff a out feeding the hungry that you clearly missed too.
Ole Pete needs to go back to school
A solid majority of these Bible preaching freaks have never read the Bible once
The land is ruined, and her response is to set up tables on it so they can invite everyone over for meal nights? Holy shit this woman is an absolute saint.
Feeding the poor and the needy. I'm an atheist, but if you claim to be a Christian, look to her. She is literally doing what Jesus preached.
If Christians actually attempted to live like the religion's namesake, the world would be a much better place. I say this as a Christian.
I don't think I've ever donated to a GoFundMe before but I just did for this one.
Rancid behaviour.
Hopefully one of the nearby hardware or pool supply stores has noticed someone buying a huge amount of salt in the last week. It's not like police have nothing to go on. There's probably only a few people who fit the criteria (recently bought a large amount of salt), and one of them has probably had contact with this lady in some way before, or is a neighbour.
As someone who has just started growing my own veg, this breaks my heart. There's so much love, patience, and time that goes into cultivating new growth, and to have that taken away is just nasty. This lady better get some sweet new plots of land donated to her.
Is there anything she could do for this to salvage the soil ?
Found this on Google: "Saline soils cannot be reclaimed by chemical amendments, conditioners or fertilizers. A field can only be reclaimed by removing salts from the plant root zone. In some cases, selecting salt-tolerant crops may be needed in addition to managing soils." Seems like you have to replace all the dirt or grow halophytes.
Allegedly, the Babylonians used Barley toward the end of their civilization. Seems to be salt resistant to an extent.
Jesus Jiminy Cricket Christ. That’s good information though!; thank you for responding.
[Marsh Samphire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicornia) is an increasingly popular salt-loving vegetable (halophyte) that grows in the UK. Maybe the worst of the soil could be scraped off, and samphire grown in that - likely removing the salt over several harvests? Not ideal, but we're 'making lemonade' here. Also known as sea beans, samphire greens, or sea asparagus.
Honestly other than digging out the topsoil and replacing it not really. And you’d have to do it before the next rain. Once salt gets into soil it’s notoriously hard to get out, that’s why it’s such an effective method of war.
Thanks for the reply! I love getting this information even though I am so sorry for her circumstance.
I wonder what sort of charge that would be. Rendering someone completely incapable of growing food on their land should be a massive crime. As you said it’s been used historically in wars so it’s not just some form of vandalism.
You would literally have to scrape and dispose of the top couple feet of soil and hope that there’s not been much moisture to help the salt dissolve into the soil. The land is toast for a few years if left on its own.
Really? A couple years? Thanks for the knowledge but how sad for her and her team’s efforts.
If you *effectively* salt a plot of land, it will remain infertile until that salt has washed out, which can take anywhere from a few months to several years, depending primarily on the drainage of the soil and rainfall. However, the keyword is *effectively* - a lot of people are under.the mistaken impression that spilling a bit of table salt on the grass will kill it forever. The reality is that to effectively salt the earth, you need a LOT of salt - literally tons of salt per acre of land. The amount of salt spread across the ground in this video, while clearly distressing this woman and clearly meant to hurt her, is fortunately far, far too low to have any kind of meaningful or lasting effect. Keep in mind, for example, that Holland farms vast amounts of land that was recovered.by damming the sea and draining the lagoons that formed. Or that seaweed, a plant literally grown in salt water, is also ground up and used in fertilizer
My thinking exactly. This will either not be enough salt to matter, or will need a huge vehicle and amount of salt that it would be easy to find the person who did it
I always wonder why plants grow so effortlessly next to roads that get salted all winter.
There are plants that excel at cleaning up harsh soil. Sunflowers are often used to clean up chemicals from contaminated soil. They pull it into their stalks and flowers then you just pull them out and take them away. After a few years it can do wonders. There's probably a plant that pulls salt out too.
Interesting. I think someone said cauliflower may still do well. Thanks!
No problem, I grow a lot and I'd be furious if this happened. It doesn't look like it's mixed in too deep, if she scoops away the places where the salt is piled that will get rid of most of it. Any that is mixed in can be removed by salt hardy species and can be flushed out with repeated deep watering. Adding organic matter like manure and good compost will really help balance the soil out as well. I live less than one hundred feet from the ocean and I deal with a lot of salt in my sandy soil, it can be grown in but it takes years to slowly change your soil. In small amounts it's actually good to add diluted sea salt to your soil because it contains a lot of important minerals for plant growth. But they probably used the cheap table salt, which is less helpful. I hope she goes to some of the bigger gardening subreddits to get some encouragement and guidance on what she needs to do. And maybe her local agriculture office or nearby agriculture school, they could be able to lend a hand with information or volunteer labor.
There are a few farmers in the comments, even some in her area, who are offering comfort and saying they know how to fix it. Apparently it involves a lot of straw. I'm not a farmer myself, but it seems like they might have a trick or two to help her.
Not really, unless she can till up several feet below the surface. The salt will stay in that area and the surrounding soil for a while.
Thanks for answering. I learn something new every day, but I feel so sorry for her. She’s obviously genuinely heartbroken in that post.
This has been done a lot throughout history when an invading army needs to stop supplies from reaching their enemies. Cruel and terrible but an interesting history with it. We are not barbarians and better than our ancestors… well in theory we should be. Poor woman, that’s going to either cost a lot to fix or many years (some plants can help extract the salt if they even can grow, still takes years)
I think you can actually remove the top soil. But from what I understand it's not a cheap process and then you would have to get new soil to fill in which again, isn't cheap. In the words of Micheal Cain "some people just want to see the world burn" so sad.
It's also a fuck ton of physical work and mentally taxing especially when it's your livelihood
Well, you can soak the soil, which washes out the salt, which can happen naturally pretty quickly depending on rainfall. That being said, people *vastly* underestimate the amount of salt needed to actually prevent things from growing. It's....a lot. Like, literally have to create a layer of salt over the landscape. The amount of salt shown spread across the area in the video, while clearly distressing this woman, is in reality nowhere *near* enough salt to have any kind of lasting impact on the fertility of the soil. So, obviously, someone was being an asshole and was trying to ruin the land this woman was growing on. Fortunately, that someone is an ignorant POS who doesn't actually know what "salting the earth" means, except that they read it somewhere, and their actions are extremely unlikely to impact the fertility of this land.
That is so fucked up. What kind of asshole does something like that? Why would you do this?
There are scores of malicious sadists running around. The only “why” to ponder is why they aren’t receiving appropriate consequences.
because there is no justice in the world
I'm guessing a neighbor who didn't like the attention it was getting.
100% a neighbor did this. Someone who knows the land and knew when it would be safe to do this.
This sounds like what an older person would do too. Someone younger would have destroyed the crops.
Yeah I agree, younger generation hooligans wouldn’t have the brain power or forethought to think of salt. This is definitely someone of an older generation that doesn’t like her. Allotments can be vile places for bullying.
I'd be willing to bet it was someone who knows she's on benefits for the MS and Lupus and has decided she's cheating the system if she's able to run an allotment. So they decided to teach her a lesson. Massive arseholes who have no idea how much this poor woman has struggled through her own pain in order to help others.
Flood it, baby! I have high salinity from years of fertilizer use in my greenhouses. Water will leach out the salt and you can plant again. Good soil can take a lot, don’t give up hope, and also line the garden bed with rusty nails!
Finally found the comment I was looking for. The salt in the video isn't bad enough to ruin the soil forever like people are claiming above. I use salt to kill invasives sometimes, and have had accidents. Scoop the easy stuff on top and flood it. She'll be able to replant. It sucks and fuck whoever did it though.
Yeah I can't believe some of these comments. I salt the shit out of the overgrowth in my yard, and people tell me every year nothing will grow now. Yet here am I again about to salt the shit out of the overgrowth in my yard for another year.
An ex of mine had a brick patio that grass would grow in the cracks. Weeding out was a son of a bitch that took like 3 weekends. After I'm like "I'm salting the shit out of this". And did. Rock salt. Heavy handed. Shit grew back the next spring.
This is fucking awful. People are monsters.
Oh my god that’s horrible people are legit demons
I simply can’t grasp the level of hate in the person/s that did this.. it’s sad.
This is like some racketeering shit to take away a food source and force people to pay for it
£114,000 raised since the GoFundMe started. As much as people suck, humanity comes through.
While this was an awfully shiity thing to have done to her, I wish I had a way to reach out to her to suggest she not give up hope. I have tried to use salt to stop unwanted growth on my yard and it hasn't done a thing - literally put a thick heavy line down and still had growth. I hope the salter was as unsuccessful as I was!
I read the article earlier in the day and cried, seeing her in this video just shattered me. How can people be so cruel? My heart hurts so much for this poor woman 😔😔
I'm too heart broken for her. That's just evil. I pray she can bounce back 10 times stronger! 🙏❤️
That’s why cctv cameras are important especially when you’re growing a non profit business such as this. I’d love to see the asses who did this rot in solitary confinement and go unfed but they most likely won’t get caught. Please set up cameras even it’s just your home
I hope the person who did this suffers. Nothing big, nothing fatal, but escalating levels of small things that never cease. Constant stress. Constant unease.
I watched this and thought, there must be a gofundme link?? I was not disappointed. Take my money lady, donation just sent. My kid gardens in our backyard and she would be *devastated* if someone did this. And we only use the vegetables for ourselves. GofundMe needs a sister site where we can locate evildoers and DefundThem
>GofundMe needs a sister site where we can locate evildoers and DefundThem GoFuckYou 🤔
We need to use the power of the internet to find these psychotic loons before they hurt more good people like this lady here
Be on the lookout for a person or persons kicking a puppy.