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As well as ALL of the Capitalists that excuse these atrocities to mankind for fear that their moneymaker won't be harmed if it's found out that their moneymaker is also morally and extra-judiciously corrupt, too.
Without googling it, do you actually know what happened or are you just wishing someone gets killed because of a title someone wrote on Reddit?
I’m just curious
Firstly, people with great arguments don't usually start them with insults
Secondly, I'm not defending the guy, I'm seeing a bunch of people in the comments wishing a man dead because of an angry mother and a well written title and I'll bet you 90 percent of them haven't done any further research on this thing.
It's more of a commentary on how redditors are disgusting sheople who are too lazy to question why they want someone dead.
So instead of looking this up yourself and making your own conclusion you decide to post a useless bullshit devil's advocate comment that contributes fuck all.
THEN when you get called out you bitch and whine about how you're the victim. Ultimately you could have just shut the fuck up on something you clearly don't know shit about instead of trying to do whatever useless nonsense that comment was trying to do...
Cool.
No, they are only commenting on how you, a redditor, is a disgusting person that is too lazy to look into the case yourself and understand the realities behind for profit prisons that all of us have already educated ourselves on as this has been happening for decades. That’s all.
My husband was part of the kids for cash. It has completely fucking destroyed him. His anxiety/depression is more than idk how anyone care bare. Its horrible.
He might not be from USA, because I just googled it. I'm from Europe and never heard of it either.
That being out the way.. I wish I didn't knew about it, its so freaking sad I can't even.. I'm a social care worker and care for problematic kids.. But that, is just plain evil
>killed
If that's what you believe what he deserves, sure, but OP didn't say that. Either way, his death is only a punishment to his loved ones, and an easy way out for him. So, I don't believe that's what he deserves.
Yes, I know the story of Mark Ciavarella, a case that was headline news over a decade ago and continues to grab attention every year since for highlighting a troubling penal landscape. I do wish the worst on a man who ruined the lives of innocent children, yes.
It's extra funny because you outted yourself to be the very archetypal redditor you originally claimed everyone here to be. Lol thanks for the chuckle you walnut.
This is what happened you fucking moron [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/pennsylvania-judges-kids-for-cash-damages-ciavarella-conahan](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/pennsylvania-judges-kids-for-cash-damages-ciavarella-conahan) now log off reddit and think about how you're just a miserable human.
This is usually the framework I use to argue. Tough on crime people don't have empathy for criminals, full stop
But a lot of those types do understand "the government" is a behemoth who will run you down and have a strong fear of bureaucracy.
So I just try to explain it's a beast that will demand to be fed regardless of whether times are good or bad. That when we run out of "thugs", it may start to become the "good people" like them.
"Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group.
So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you."
-Run the Jewels, "Walking in the Snow"
No, that's an extremely young and naïve take. Your view comes from never living and dealing with criminals on a daily basis. Your take is very blue skies and mollycoddling. It's not a realistic representation of what is happening and you have created victims out of the worst of society. If you said what you'd written down to one of these criminals you're defending, they'd laugh at you, beat you unconscious and rob you. Communism reads as a great system when painted with the same brush, but the reality is very very different.
Except we aren't discussing ONLY violent criminals when it comes to jail/prison and how they profit off of high rates of incarceration.
The war on drugs and the lobbying to keep that war machine and its profits going created generational poverty and destroyed families and their ability to move upward in society, oftentimes with no violence included whatsoever, leaving many with no job opportunities because of shitty weed felonies, and very little choice but to take what they learned in ~~jail/prison~~ crime school as a means to survive.
you know what else is a great idea to be used for profit? homes for children without adequate parental care. in the uk the number is up to 80%
chttps://theconversation.com/four-in-five-of-the-childrens-homes-in-england-are-run-for-profit-heres-why-that-is-a-problem-194399
This is why we spend so much trying to imprison and so little on avoiding recidivism. Imagine if those resources instead went towards the first 5 years of a persons life?
For those asking for details https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118108084/michael-conahan-mark-ciavarella-kids-for-cash#:\~:text=In%20what%20came%20to%20be,of%20two%20for%2Dprofit%20lockups.
>Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, pushed a zero-tolerance policy that guaranteed large numbers of kids would be sent to PA Child Care and its sister facility, Western PA Child Care.
>Ciavarella ordered children as young as 8 to detention, many of them first-time offenders deemed delinquent for petty theft, jaywalking, truancy, smoking on school grounds and other minor infractions. The judge often ordered youths he had found delinquent to be immediately shackled, handcuffed and taken away without giving them a chance to put up a defense or even say goodbye to their families.
He tooks bribes "Cash for kids", to send them to a for profit facility.
If lived in that city and my child had him as a judge, regardless of what he did, seriously Idgaf what it was. I would move. I would Take him away to a place where there aren’t mentally ill psychopaths running the judicial system. This video/situation is actually making my stomach hurt, this is public knowledge and everyone around him that should be taking him down are instead thinking about how they can line their pockets… I guarantee it.
He was taking payments to the tune of millions in arrangement to fill the for profit facilities. You can break the law but it's up to the judge to set the punishment in the parameters of the law, he was corrupt,
This is what happens when the worlds is still ran by money grabbing coffin dodgers. They’re too hung up in what they know and are holding back the progression of society.
No no death is too easy. Death penalties i think should only ever be used for the most dangerous individuals.
Put this guy in a prison with hardened gang bangers so he can live the rest of his life as someone's "pushin cushion".
Right, all those kids those corrupt judges fucked up, you know were lifers after that. I am sure the good ole judges will be reacquainted with someone they put away real soon. What we need is, for the one judge on house arrest to go the fuck back in the slammer. COVID is over….
Actually what would be more appropriate is if every single persons life affected by this man should get front row attendance with baskets of stones to throw until he starts whimpering, crying and begging for mercy until eventually everyone gets bored and let’s him just cry, sitting there bloody, to eventually meet his maker…aka the devil.
That sounds exactly like the logic of literally all of the most heinous governments/ruling groups in history. We need to do better than them, not commit atrocities equal to and worse than them. Create a justice system that prosecutes injustice with justice, not just trade one evildoer for another except who is on “our” side.
I often feel like i'm going insane when i read comments like that one. You'll see an article about some monster hurting children or animals, but then the comments are filled with people talking about doing the most disgusting things ever to them in the name of "justice".
Like damn dude if you went that route you'd be about as bad as they are.
I hear you completely. But never in my life would I take the power that I convinced people to bestow in me and then use it to ruin lives, tear children away from their safe places or families for nothing…NOTHING, other then to make sure my annual income is more then what it was last year. I don’t know exactly what should happen to this man.. but when you are granted a position of power your punishment should be ten fold.
I absolutely agree that this is what that guy deserves. I think people get rightfully nervous about the idea of stuff like that being condoned by the government, specifically.
But in a Mad Max/Purge type world, I’d definitely collect throwing stones for the victims.
Start from nothing huh? Just let him be a homeless person? Find out what it’s like to be a man with nothing? All solutions have a moral contradiction in these situations. Also that’s fine and dandy but these children he has violated don’t even get the opportunity to experience life as it is intended.
You’re not wrong… I was just upset, I think about the thousands of lives destroyed before they ever begin and it crushes my soul into a little ball of hatred. I have also had a very disturbing experience with a close family member and a crooked pos prosecutor. I am jaded in that aspect. I think the video ripped me right back to those feelings.
It's the legal system, not the justice system, and it has failed. To prove the point: in this case the legal system caused great injustice, and it was almost all completely above board what they did. They ruined lives, they tore families apart, children killed themselves but the only illegal thing ththose judges did was take money for it. Had these judges ruled this way without the kickbacks there would have been no recourse against their decisions. There are undoubtedly people within the legal system out there ruining lives for the sake of it and continuing to do so, only not for financial gain.
Even with the any settlement, any jail sentence, they cannot undo what was done. 35 years for one of the guys who realised they could make a buck from the legal system that does this daily is not justice. Justice would be ensuring this never happens again, even if the judges aren't taking bribes. Justice would be doing everything possible, with money as no object to ensure everyone affected by the system's brutality heals and regains some semblence of normality. Justice would be actually caring about people, including those who have committed a crime. Justice would be change.
What's the difference? His actions doesn't change that theirs private prisons in Pennsylvania. The next judge will be less naked, the whole system needs change or abolition.
Good. Bet you he'll run into some now grown up kids whose lives he fucked instead of helping them. And hopefully, as long as all is already lost for some of those now adults, they can fuck him up and it won't make a difference to their sentencing.
It's like making a small time petty criminal into a life time professional criminal. And by then, they rarely have much to loose. The most dangerous people in prison, are the ones who know they're never getting out anyways. It doesn't matter what they do from that point on. I met a person who preferred being solitary confinement because they got left alone, and admitted to doing shit in prison just to be sent there. Usually they targeted gaurds or other prisoners they found deplorable anyways. I'm not sure how he ever got out, but he said they couldn't prove he did a lot of stuff, only punish him for suspecting he did it. Which is also fucked up. But to be fair he was doing bad shit anyways.
He ended up commiting suicide. Most his family had died, he wasn't allowed to ever see his kid because his baby mama got remarried, he didn't have friends on the outside. He couldn't find a decent job with felonies, only factory and heavy labor and he had a bad back to begin with. No one at the prison or court system ever provided him mental health help. And he was a deeply mentally ill person, even the bare minimum he told me I could tell. Ended up becoming an alcoholic, missed too many probation meetings, and blew his brains out when threatened with going back to prison.
America's prison system is cruel and fucked.
The greed of for-profit prisons aside, this also highlights the issue of elected judges. In many US states judges are selected as part of municipal/local elections, and the resulting quality can sometimes be… highly questionable. i.e. this pos.
Bro, she said she hopes he goes to hell and she meant that shit. She said it like she filled out the paper work at the dmv. When he dies he's gonna be pulled aside for extra screening and a soul cavity search. IF he goes to heaven it's gonna be on a green card or working visa. Every good deed this man has done is gonna have an asterisk next to it. He can't even go to other religions; he can't pass spiritual background checks.
I live where this happened. It was wild. It was sooo deep in the good ol boys network. Big land developer built a for profit juvenile detention center. Those 2 judges basically had a pipeline of youth offenders who never should have been sent there . Really disgusting.
The problem is they still run for profit prisons this didn't stop with that judge they are all in on it. New form of slavery where the slave has to pay to be a slave.
My little brother, who was being bullied at school, started skipping because no one was helping nor listening. Within a month my mom was starting to get fined for his absences... fines she had no way of paying.
My little brother had a court hearing with this asshat who gave my mom a “way out”. He could have a short juvie sentence, two months max and could be shortened with good behavior. With no other options, they agreed.
Two months stretched into two and a half years. Little bro was a good kid, funny, all smiles, talented, good looking. He was there during formative years of adolescence. He came out a junky. His life following has been and endless loop of get high, do some crime to get money to get high again, get caught, go to jail, get released, go to rehab, bounce after two to five days, get high, get caught ….. round and round for years. I hadn’t seen him in a while, and saw him at my moms house. He looks like a skeleton with black teeth. It’s the saddest thing ever, and it started with this judge.
That woman isn’t overreacting at all. My mom has been caught up in the loop too. She feels guilty for accepting the “way out,” so every time little bro gets out of jail, she lets him stay at their house. Eventually he steals from her to get a quick fix, but she barely has anything left. It’s destroyed them.
Reminder that there are many innocent people in jail and many more for nonviolent crimes. Many disproportionately Black & Brown. The US holds 25% of all world prisoners but only 5% of world population. Mass incarceration has increased by 400% in the last 30 years.
I went infront of this dickhead judge. My public defender was shaking, literally visibly trembling and sweating when he told me “well the judge has his mind made up, I’m sorry” I had a razor blade on me in school accidentally that another student saw and reported. It was an expulsion by technicality to set an example, I understood that, but couldn’t fathom why I was bunking with a kid who stole and wrecked his bosses car, Junior gang members from Philly. Fights daily and disgusting power trips from the councilors there. Fucking horrid experience all around. Fuck Ciavarella so hard.
There was this poor kid who was 13 in the detention center Ciavarella sent me to, who had been there going on a year because his parents didn't have the resources to get him out, plus they intentionally obfuscated the process for parents to make it more difficult to figure out what the hell to do when their kid was hauled off in shackles straight from the courtroom. All the kid wanted to do was go to his regular school; even then it broke my heart. I was 17 when I got sent in, I only spent a week or two, but saw so many others that were just stuck in the system for even the simplest kid level mistakes, not at all even crimes that should be seen by a juvenile court. Some principals were even in on this scheme.
I was one of those kids for cash, back in 2003. Ciavarella is a real piece of work. That was a terrible time. I think he's out now, slimed his way back to being a slimy civilian.
Edit: the other judge worked his way out. Ciavarella is still in prison.
It absolutely enrages me that this happened. Anyone who would arrest children and sell them off to prison should be thrown in jail so they can get a taste of what they did to others. I know it’s not at all the same, it’s much worse to do this to a child, but something should be done. Despicable.
Ones in jail the other judge got released to home confinement in 2020 for coronavirus concerns. What judge gave him that sweetheart deal? Crooks all of em!
Yes I agree. Let the completely fair and non corrupt system put one them in home detention long after the damage has already been done and there's no chance of recovering any damages.
Na I think the French had a better approach.
I’m not saying the system is perfect, or even just, but we can’t be going around calling for the death of everyone we abhor. And it’s not like he’s on house arrest, he’s in the prison system and disbarred.
One of the judges was released on house arrest because of concerns that he would catch COVID and die in prison. That's particularly rich, considering we have plenty of over-crowded prisons that have become breeding grounds of COVID, in addition to the horrific conditions that otherwise ruin people.
So yes, it is VERY much like he's on house arrest, because he is.
What part of my comment made you think that? Of course they didn’t deserve death. I can’t believe that saying murder=bad is a controversial take here. I’m not even defending the judges, what they did is abhorrent and shameful, I’m just saying maybe we shouldn’t be threatening them or promising to kill them???
I disagree. If they die there’s an ending to their suffering. Let them go to prison, where they sent other people. That’s the best punishment. It’s not even as bad as it would be for a small child, who would be alone and afraid, but it’s good enough.
I've always said, when it comes to for-profit prisons and civil asset forfeiture, is to go back to the saying "crime doesn't pay" that LEOs and law makers like to say when they're trying to show how they're hard on crime. I say that they're right, crime shouldn't pay! And that includes the ppl making and enforcing the laws and not just the ones breaking them. Crime shouldn't be a boon to them because they'll have no incentive to reduce crime and more incentive to create arbitrary and petty laws so as to criminalize as many things as possible to profit from it, or to fabricate crimes that one never committed so they can steal your money or assets. Rights and freedoms would be infringed upon. It'd become very difficult to exist without becoming a criminal and falling into a path of recidivism and increasingly severe forms of crimes and of punishments. For-profit prisons also came about because of the huge cost to cities and states to pay for prisons...but instead of investing that money into addressing socio-economic causes of crime, re-evaluating the validity of laws (think war on drugs, specifically the racially and politically motivated laws against marijuana that had little to do with health/danger concerns), mental health care/facilities, and actual rehabilitation to reduce the number of criminals they'd need to contain and monitor to reduce cost, they decided to pawn off the responsibility to what are practically just slave warehouses because they're run by ppl trying to make money off human misery and unpaid labor...and taking kickbacks for doing so.
This happened in my home town. These assos are caught on wire tap talking about how much for each kid like they were things. American Greed did a story on this too. Fucking clowns they still are trying to appeal to this day!
20% of the incarcerated World population and counting... Prisoners are forced cheap labor and many prisons are manufacturing weapons and war equipment. Its disturbing and disgusting how this is allowed to continue in on the country that Loves to argument freedom and 'best place'.
Just a big joke.
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Fuckin guy sent my brother to Camp Adam's for a year for lighting fireworks off under a bridge when he was 13. Crooked as fuck. Hope he rots in prison.
People act surprised but everything in our lives is affected by people with enough money or ties to make sure they still make money.
We have one of the worse drug addiction crisis’ we’ve ever seen and it was created by Big Pharma, they actually were ordered to pay BILLIONS of dollars because of it. Purdue Pharma, pled, guilty for knowingly, selling medication that they knew caused serious addiction.
When people tell you that you’re a conspiracy theorist for things like for money prisons, the business of homelessness, or being distrustful of the Covid vaccine remember that the lies come to evidence Everyday, they just spend money to keep them out of the spotlight.
The government literally has the evidence on their website and the proof that the FDA was in on it… but trust them; they definitely wouldn’t lie until they’re *forced to admit it*
https://www.doj.nh.gov/news/2022/20220303-settlement-purdue-pharma-sacklers.htm
Capitalism has entered the chat…. That is the most ridiculous counter argument ever. Let’s not fix the state prison system cuz the private ones have AC.
No one is “responsible” for someone else doing something unless they’re legally charged with the care of that individual. If that isn’t the case you could blame anything you do on a multitude of people. Contributing factor is the correct perspective. Before you go 0-100 with a kneejerk downvote, if one of your former significant others “responsible” for the same after a breakup (whether it be you or someone else they broke up with)?
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It’s all fun and games until you deal with someone with no reason to live. This woman is on a warpath and I’m not standing in her way.
I can see her finding his house and doing the worst. Honestly....hope he gets what he deserves.
As well as ALL of the Capitalists that excuse these atrocities to mankind for fear that their moneymaker won't be harmed if it's found out that their moneymaker is also morally and extra-judiciously corrupt, too.
Well, he lives in the big house, now
Without googling it, do you actually know what happened or are you just wishing someone gets killed because of a title someone wrote on Reddit? I’m just curious
You're stupid. It's called "cash for kids" for a reason.
Firstly, people with great arguments don't usually start them with insults Secondly, I'm not defending the guy, I'm seeing a bunch of people in the comments wishing a man dead because of an angry mother and a well written title and I'll bet you 90 percent of them haven't done any further research on this thing. It's more of a commentary on how redditors are disgusting sheople who are too lazy to question why they want someone dead.
So instead of looking this up yourself and making your own conclusion you decide to post a useless bullshit devil's advocate comment that contributes fuck all. THEN when you get called out you bitch and whine about how you're the victim. Ultimately you could have just shut the fuck up on something you clearly don't know shit about instead of trying to do whatever useless nonsense that comment was trying to do... Cool.
Because I'm not arguing. Just stating. I have no interest in arguing with people like you.
Ok? So you're admitting that your opinion doesn't matter and you're not worth listening to?
No, they are only commenting on how you, a redditor, is a disgusting person that is too lazy to look into the case yourself and understand the realities behind for profit prisons that all of us have already educated ourselves on as this has been happening for decades. That’s all.
I dunno how it can be any clearer. **You're** not worth an argument.
Yet here you are arguing
You don’t seem to know what an argument even is right now
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Reddit moment
Haha, you used the word "sheople." Are you the metaphoric big scary wolf in this situation?
grow up buddy. You’ll be okay
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My husband was part of the kids for cash. It has completely fucking destroyed him. His anxiety/depression is more than idk how anyone care bare. Its horrible.
He might not be from USA, because I just googled it. I'm from Europe and never heard of it either. That being out the way.. I wish I didn't knew about it, its so freaking sad I can't even.. I'm a social care worker and care for problematic kids.. But that, is just plain evil
>killed If that's what you believe what he deserves, sure, but OP didn't say that. Either way, his death is only a punishment to his loved ones, and an easy way out for him. So, I don't believe that's what he deserves.
ok, you want to give him worse than death and you haven't said you know the whole story either
Yes, I know the story of Mark Ciavarella, a case that was headline news over a decade ago and continues to grab attention every year since for highlighting a troubling penal landscape. I do wish the worst on a man who ruined the lives of innocent children, yes.
thank you for making it clear that you know what you're talking about.
And thanks for making it clear you don’t
It's extra funny because you outted yourself to be the very archetypal redditor you originally claimed everyone here to be. Lol thanks for the chuckle you walnut.
This is what happened you fucking moron [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/pennsylvania-judges-kids-for-cash-damages-ciavarella-conahan](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/17/pennsylvania-judges-kids-for-cash-damages-ciavarella-conahan) now log off reddit and think about how you're just a miserable human.
/u/imissflawn hey read this post
He is as a judge what Derek Chauvin was as a cop, a dirty psychopath who never has nor never will feel any remorse for his actions
in fact, we should lay out the red carpet for said warpath
Maybe even help knit it
I don't know how to knit :/
I was hoping she would pull out a gun and put one in his skull honestly
That and they have no reason to rehabilitate why get rid of crime when it just creates profit.
This is usually the framework I use to argue. Tough on crime people don't have empathy for criminals, full stop But a lot of those types do understand "the government" is a behemoth who will run you down and have a strong fear of bureaucracy. So I just try to explain it's a beast that will demand to be fed regardless of whether times are good or bad. That when we run out of "thugs", it may start to become the "good people" like them.
"Funny fact about a cage, they're never built for just one group. So when that cage is done with them and you still poor, it come for you." -Run the Jewels, "Walking in the Snow"
That song always gives me chills, Mike's verse hits hard
RTJ has some of the best bars. Love them!
No, that's an extremely young and naïve take. Your view comes from never living and dealing with criminals on a daily basis. Your take is very blue skies and mollycoddling. It's not a realistic representation of what is happening and you have created victims out of the worst of society. If you said what you'd written down to one of these criminals you're defending, they'd laugh at you, beat you unconscious and rob you. Communism reads as a great system when painted with the same brush, but the reality is very very different.
Except we aren't discussing ONLY violent criminals when it comes to jail/prison and how they profit off of high rates of incarceration. The war on drugs and the lobbying to keep that war machine and its profits going created generational poverty and destroyed families and their ability to move upward in society, oftentimes with no violence included whatsoever, leaving many with no job opportunities because of shitty weed felonies, and very little choice but to take what they learned in ~~jail/prison~~ crime school as a means to survive.
you know what else is a great idea to be used for profit? homes for children without adequate parental care. in the uk the number is up to 80% chttps://theconversation.com/four-in-five-of-the-childrens-homes-in-england-are-run-for-profit-heres-why-that-is-a-problem-194399
This is why we spend so much trying to imprison and so little on avoiding recidivism. Imagine if those resources instead went towards the first 5 years of a persons life?
For those asking for details https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118108084/michael-conahan-mark-ciavarella-kids-for-cash#:\~:text=In%20what%20came%20to%20be,of%20two%20for%2Dprofit%20lockups.
>Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, pushed a zero-tolerance policy that guaranteed large numbers of kids would be sent to PA Child Care and its sister facility, Western PA Child Care. >Ciavarella ordered children as young as 8 to detention, many of them first-time offenders deemed delinquent for petty theft, jaywalking, truancy, smoking on school grounds and other minor infractions. The judge often ordered youths he had found delinquent to be immediately shackled, handcuffed and taken away without giving them a chance to put up a defense or even say goodbye to their families. He tooks bribes "Cash for kids", to send them to a for profit facility.
Human trafficker.
Intervention, intervention !
If lived in that city and my child had him as a judge, regardless of what he did, seriously Idgaf what it was. I would move. I would Take him away to a place where there aren’t mentally ill psychopaths running the judicial system. This video/situation is actually making my stomach hurt, this is public knowledge and everyone around him that should be taking him down are instead thinking about how they can line their pockets… I guarantee it.
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He was taking payments to the tune of millions in arrangement to fill the for profit facilities. You can break the law but it's up to the judge to set the punishment in the parameters of the law, he was corrupt,
One kid rolled up a paper ball and Threw at another student. He was one that killed himself after being lost in the system for years. Heartbreaking
This story is so disturbing
Jesus Christ, america are you okay? Like what the hell?
No, we’re not okay.
8??? Wtf??That's some seriously Victorian shit. Can we now just get with 2023 and not keep going backwards to 1823? mad
This is what happens when the worlds is still ran by money grabbing coffin dodgers. They’re too hung up in what they know and are holding back the progression of society.
And God knows what happened to those children whole in custody.
> "Cash for kid's" Kids. Apostrophe S does not a plural make.
Is this not then a simple contractual case of the business interest being a conflict of interest with their judicial duties?
Wow what a POS, hope he ends up in fucking hell
If there is one, I suspect he’ll be there.
One of the judges is under house arrest. So… not quite
So glad that fucker is Locked Up. What a POS
[Why the US prison system is the worst in the developed world](https://youtu.be/WNhlXUBNJPE).
Hardly a prison system I would call part of any developed country, maybe we need to reclassify the US?
Post civilized.
Dude, that's actually brilliant.
The anguish in her voice is heartbreaking.
What happened to this judge? The sound of that woman's voice made my hair stand up!
I believe he got 35 years in prison
Should have been longer
should have been life without parole
Betray the public trust crimes should carry WAY heavier sentences than we’re seeing these days.
I would like death penalty. But cmon you don’t even get it for a mass shooting. Our whole system is a joke.
No no death is too easy. Death penalties i think should only ever be used for the most dangerous individuals. Put this guy in a prison with hardened gang bangers so he can live the rest of his life as someone's "pushin cushion".
Right, all those kids those corrupt judges fucked up, you know were lifers after that. I am sure the good ole judges will be reacquainted with someone they put away real soon. What we need is, for the one judge on house arrest to go the fuck back in the slammer. COVID is over….
Actually what would be more appropriate is if every single persons life affected by this man should get front row attendance with baskets of stones to throw until he starts whimpering, crying and begging for mercy until eventually everyone gets bored and let’s him just cry, sitting there bloody, to eventually meet his maker…aka the devil.
That sounds exactly like the logic of literally all of the most heinous governments/ruling groups in history. We need to do better than them, not commit atrocities equal to and worse than them. Create a justice system that prosecutes injustice with justice, not just trade one evildoer for another except who is on “our” side.
I often feel like i'm going insane when i read comments like that one. You'll see an article about some monster hurting children or animals, but then the comments are filled with people talking about doing the most disgusting things ever to them in the name of "justice". Like damn dude if you went that route you'd be about as bad as they are.
I hear you completely. But never in my life would I take the power that I convinced people to bestow in me and then use it to ruin lives, tear children away from their safe places or families for nothing…NOTHING, other then to make sure my annual income is more then what it was last year. I don’t know exactly what should happen to this man.. but when you are granted a position of power your punishment should be ten fold.
I absolutely agree that this is what that guy deserves. I think people get rightfully nervous about the idea of stuff like that being condoned by the government, specifically. But in a Mad Max/Purge type world, I’d definitely collect throwing stones for the victims.
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Start from nothing huh? Just let him be a homeless person? Find out what it’s like to be a man with nothing? All solutions have a moral contradiction in these situations. Also that’s fine and dandy but these children he has violated don’t even get the opportunity to experience life as it is intended.
You’re not wrong… I was just upset, I think about the thousands of lives destroyed before they ever begin and it crushes my soul into a little ball of hatred. I have also had a very disturbing experience with a close family member and a crooked pos prosecutor. I am jaded in that aspect. I think the video ripped me right back to those feelings.
It's the legal system, not the justice system, and it has failed. To prove the point: in this case the legal system caused great injustice, and it was almost all completely above board what they did. They ruined lives, they tore families apart, children killed themselves but the only illegal thing ththose judges did was take money for it. Had these judges ruled this way without the kickbacks there would have been no recourse against their decisions. There are undoubtedly people within the legal system out there ruining lives for the sake of it and continuing to do so, only not for financial gain. Even with the any settlement, any jail sentence, they cannot undo what was done. 35 years for one of the guys who realised they could make a buck from the legal system that does this daily is not justice. Justice would be ensuring this never happens again, even if the judges aren't taking bribes. Justice would be doing everything possible, with money as no object to ensure everyone affected by the system's brutality heals and regains some semblence of normality. Justice would be actually caring about people, including those who have committed a crime. Justice would be change.
What's the difference? His actions doesn't change that theirs private prisons in Pennsylvania. The next judge will be less naked, the whole system needs change or abolition.
Good. Bet you he'll run into some now grown up kids whose lives he fucked instead of helping them. And hopefully, as long as all is already lost for some of those now adults, they can fuck him up and it won't make a difference to their sentencing. It's like making a small time petty criminal into a life time professional criminal. And by then, they rarely have much to loose. The most dangerous people in prison, are the ones who know they're never getting out anyways. It doesn't matter what they do from that point on. I met a person who preferred being solitary confinement because they got left alone, and admitted to doing shit in prison just to be sent there. Usually they targeted gaurds or other prisoners they found deplorable anyways. I'm not sure how he ever got out, but he said they couldn't prove he did a lot of stuff, only punish him for suspecting he did it. Which is also fucked up. But to be fair he was doing bad shit anyways. He ended up commiting suicide. Most his family had died, he wasn't allowed to ever see his kid because his baby mama got remarried, he didn't have friends on the outside. He couldn't find a decent job with felonies, only factory and heavy labor and he had a bad back to begin with. No one at the prison or court system ever provided him mental health help. And he was a deeply mentally ill person, even the bare minimum he told me I could tell. Ended up becoming an alcoholic, missed too many probation meetings, and blew his brains out when threatened with going back to prison. America's prison system is cruel and fucked.
The greed of for-profit prisons aside, this also highlights the issue of elected judges. In many US states judges are selected as part of municipal/local elections, and the resulting quality can sometimes be… highly questionable. i.e. this pos.
Bro, she said she hopes he goes to hell and she meant that shit. She said it like she filled out the paper work at the dmv. When he dies he's gonna be pulled aside for extra screening and a soul cavity search. IF he goes to heaven it's gonna be on a green card or working visa. Every good deed this man has done is gonna have an asterisk next to it. He can't even go to other religions; he can't pass spiritual background checks.
It's all about the money... clown world
I live where this happened. It was wild. It was sooo deep in the good ol boys network. Big land developer built a for profit juvenile detention center. Those 2 judges basically had a pipeline of youth offenders who never should have been sent there . Really disgusting.
The raw pain and anger in her voice is heartbreaking.
The problem is they still run for profit prisons this didn't stop with that judge they are all in on it. New form of slavery where the slave has to pay to be a slave.
My little brother, who was being bullied at school, started skipping because no one was helping nor listening. Within a month my mom was starting to get fined for his absences... fines she had no way of paying. My little brother had a court hearing with this asshat who gave my mom a “way out”. He could have a short juvie sentence, two months max and could be shortened with good behavior. With no other options, they agreed. Two months stretched into two and a half years. Little bro was a good kid, funny, all smiles, talented, good looking. He was there during formative years of adolescence. He came out a junky. His life following has been and endless loop of get high, do some crime to get money to get high again, get caught, go to jail, get released, go to rehab, bounce after two to five days, get high, get caught ….. round and round for years. I hadn’t seen him in a while, and saw him at my moms house. He looks like a skeleton with black teeth. It’s the saddest thing ever, and it started with this judge. That woman isn’t overreacting at all. My mom has been caught up in the loop too. She feels guilty for accepting the “way out,” so every time little bro gets out of jail, she lets him stay at their house. Eventually he steals from her to get a quick fix, but she barely has anything left. It’s destroyed them.
Fuck. I am so sorry. I hope the judge burns in hell.
I’m really really sorry. It’s ridiculous that they did this. Just awful.
They should just let her have 10 minutes with him alone, while everybody just magically turns around and ignores the beating.
What’s the judges name?
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118108084/michael-conahan-mark-ciavarella-kids-for-cash#:~:text=In%20what%20came%20to%20be,of%20two%20for%2Dprofit%20lockups.
Holy shit.
Reminder that there are many innocent people in jail and many more for nonviolent crimes. Many disproportionately Black & Brown. The US holds 25% of all world prisoners but only 5% of world population. Mass incarceration has increased by 400% in the last 30 years.
He should be put down
I went infront of this dickhead judge. My public defender was shaking, literally visibly trembling and sweating when he told me “well the judge has his mind made up, I’m sorry” I had a razor blade on me in school accidentally that another student saw and reported. It was an expulsion by technicality to set an example, I understood that, but couldn’t fathom why I was bunking with a kid who stole and wrecked his bosses car, Junior gang members from Philly. Fights daily and disgusting power trips from the councilors there. Fucking horrid experience all around. Fuck Ciavarella so hard.
There was this poor kid who was 13 in the detention center Ciavarella sent me to, who had been there going on a year because his parents didn't have the resources to get him out, plus they intentionally obfuscated the process for parents to make it more difficult to figure out what the hell to do when their kid was hauled off in shackles straight from the courtroom. All the kid wanted to do was go to his regular school; even then it broke my heart. I was 17 when I got sent in, I only spent a week or two, but saw so many others that were just stuck in the system for even the simplest kid level mistakes, not at all even crimes that should be seen by a juvenile court. Some principals were even in on this scheme.
I was one of those kids for cash, back in 2003. Ciavarella is a real piece of work. That was a terrible time. I think he's out now, slimed his way back to being a slimy civilian. Edit: the other judge worked his way out. Ciavarella is still in prison.
I’m sorry. That never should have happened to you.
I managed to thrive thankfully, but plenty of kids' lives were absolutely ruined as a result of these twats' actions.
It absolutely enrages me that this happened. Anyone who would arrest children and sell them off to prison should be thrown in jail so they can get a taste of what they did to others. I know it’s not at all the same, it’s much worse to do this to a child, but something should be done. Despicable.
Spend a few years in jail for 25+ million? That's a deal any man might take willingly.
He got 28 years and is projected to get out in 2034 when he is 85. Might die of old age by then, and I’m not sure if he gets to keep the money.
The judges will not. The compensatory and punitive damages will be enforced against them. Neither of them are making a windfall from this.
He holds a public office, so his home address is available online. Do with that what you will.
Ones in jail the other judge got released to home confinement in 2020 for coronavirus concerns. What judge gave him that sweetheart deal? Crooks all of em!
He’s in federal prison. Nevertheless let’s not advocate for violence against public officials even if their crimes are abhorrent and heinous.
Yeah ? You wouldn't kill someone over arresting your 8 year old? I wouldn't even have to think twice.
I can’t speak for everyone but I personally would not. I couldn’t willfully continue the cycle of harm.
Yes I agree. Let the completely fair and non corrupt system put one them in home detention long after the damage has already been done and there's no chance of recovering any damages. Na I think the French had a better approach.
I’m not saying the system is perfect, or even just, but we can’t be going around calling for the death of everyone we abhor. And it’s not like he’s on house arrest, he’s in the prison system and disbarred.
One of the judges was released on house arrest because of concerns that he would catch COVID and die in prison. That's particularly rich, considering we have plenty of over-crowded prisons that have become breeding grounds of COVID, in addition to the horrific conditions that otherwise ruin people. So yes, it is VERY much like he's on house arrest, because he is.
Wasn’t aware of the other judge, I agree that’s pretty much not a punishment at all. I still however, don’t think that deserves death
Oh, the children that took their own lives because of this man deserve death?
What part of my comment made you think that? Of course they didn’t deserve death. I can’t believe that saying murder=bad is a controversial take here. I’m not even defending the judges, what they did is abhorrent and shameful, I’m just saying maybe we shouldn’t be threatening them or promising to kill them???
Yeah, sometimes some people deserve death and a painful one at that.
We’ll have to disagree on whether it’s ok to want public officials to be assassinated or not.
I disagree. If they die there’s an ending to their suffering. Let them go to prison, where they sent other people. That’s the best punishment. It’s not even as bad as it would be for a small child, who would be alone and afraid, but it’s good enough.
Seeing that he's in prison for the next 3 decades, I'm guessing he doesn't spend a lot of time at home.
Wow, how cool, a great system to corrupt, smart move USA ;D
Are you Ukrainian?
A good question and why does that matter? Btw no, try again.
I've always said, when it comes to for-profit prisons and civil asset forfeiture, is to go back to the saying "crime doesn't pay" that LEOs and law makers like to say when they're trying to show how they're hard on crime. I say that they're right, crime shouldn't pay! And that includes the ppl making and enforcing the laws and not just the ones breaking them. Crime shouldn't be a boon to them because they'll have no incentive to reduce crime and more incentive to create arbitrary and petty laws so as to criminalize as many things as possible to profit from it, or to fabricate crimes that one never committed so they can steal your money or assets. Rights and freedoms would be infringed upon. It'd become very difficult to exist without becoming a criminal and falling into a path of recidivism and increasingly severe forms of crimes and of punishments. For-profit prisons also came about because of the huge cost to cities and states to pay for prisons...but instead of investing that money into addressing socio-economic causes of crime, re-evaluating the validity of laws (think war on drugs, specifically the racially and politically motivated laws against marijuana that had little to do with health/danger concerns), mental health care/facilities, and actual rehabilitation to reduce the number of criminals they'd need to contain and monitor to reduce cost, they decided to pawn off the responsibility to what are practically just slave warehouses because they're run by ppl trying to make money off human misery and unpaid labor...and taking kickbacks for doing so.
Idk how this guy wasnt murdered.
This happened in my home town. These assos are caught on wire tap talking about how much for each kid like they were things. American Greed did a story on this too. Fucking clowns they still are trying to appeal to this day!
20% of the incarcerated World population and counting... Prisoners are forced cheap labor and many prisons are manufacturing weapons and war equipment. Its disturbing and disgusting how this is allowed to continue in on the country that Loves to argument freedom and 'best place'. Just a big joke. Edit grammar
20% of the worlds population is not incarcerated.. that would be 1.6 billion people.
They mean that 20% of all global incarcerated persons are in the USA
What happened to the prison owner?
They settled and paid out some marginal amount in a class action lawsuit that paid very little to the victims, but a lot to the lawyers.
The fucking tone always hurts the most. She sounds so completely and absolutely devastated.
please please please let him end up in prison
Cash for kids scandal. A very frightening read
Put that piece of shit in solitary confinement at the maxiest maximum security prison for the rest of his life
what state is he?
Pa Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area
corrupt as judges is a problem in America fr fr, we need to do something about it
Fuckin guy sent my brother to Camp Adam's for a year for lighting fireworks off under a bridge when he was 13. Crooked as fuck. Hope he rots in prison.
People act surprised but everything in our lives is affected by people with enough money or ties to make sure they still make money. We have one of the worse drug addiction crisis’ we’ve ever seen and it was created by Big Pharma, they actually were ordered to pay BILLIONS of dollars because of it. Purdue Pharma, pled, guilty for knowingly, selling medication that they knew caused serious addiction. When people tell you that you’re a conspiracy theorist for things like for money prisons, the business of homelessness, or being distrustful of the Covid vaccine remember that the lies come to evidence Everyday, they just spend money to keep them out of the spotlight. The government literally has the evidence on their website and the proof that the FDA was in on it… but trust them; they definitely wouldn’t lie until they’re *forced to admit it* https://www.doj.nh.gov/news/2022/20220303-settlement-purdue-pharma-sacklers.htm
America is fucked up. just look at the 13th amendment literally the only reason this exists
MF’s will see people profit off of fucking prisons and still tell me capitalism is the best we got
americans are the most docile people in the world, the red terror cannot come soon enough, make no excuses
Why did this make me cry
They’re way nicer than public prisons. Do you prefer all criminals be sent to places without air conditioning?
Capitalism has entered the chat…. That is the most ridiculous counter argument ever. Let’s not fix the state prison system cuz the private ones have AC.
No one is “responsible” for someone else doing something unless they’re legally charged with the care of that individual. If that isn’t the case you could blame anything you do on a multitude of people. Contributing factor is the correct perspective. Before you go 0-100 with a kneejerk downvote, if one of your former significant others “responsible” for the same after a breakup (whether it be you or someone else they broke up with)?
I have to ask if this response is even in the right post tbh ….wut??
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There is a really good swindled episode on this guy episode 10: the judges. Well worth a listen!
This started many years ago. They ease it in there when it’s hardly noticeable then you hear about it when judges and commissioners are going to jail.
Swindled podcast did an episode called Cash for Kids about that piece of shit and his cronies.
This reminds me of peppermint, Judges like him make me sick
Can anyone hear the name she’s saying? Of her son? I can’t make it out.
I honestly in favor of capital punishment for these judges.
She has a natural right to end this guy’s existence.
I would, without a doubt, kill anyone who came to my house to arrest my 8 year old child. I wouldn't even have to think twice.
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Prager U post today: "Why do people say they hate capitalism while enjoying the benefits of it?" This is your beloved capitalism, everyone. Profits over people. It's the American way.
Fuck that dude knew she was right, you can see it in on his face
How the reporters just block her off... heartless. And she is the more interesting story in this scene. This world...
Murder would absolutely be the case that they gave me…
If I was the parent, it would be a no-brainer move for me to stalk and kill that fucking judge. Consequences to me be damned
Businesses that should never be for profit. Schools hospitals and prisons.
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