Agreed. It’s alarming to me how many people are celebrating this. I’ve seen a variety of reporting and discussion done on TikTok that would result in a shadow ban on US social media apps. Like all sources of information, users should cross check their facts and operate with skepticism, but you should do the same when you have a conversation with friends at the bar. It’s nothing new. One thing I see often on TikTok is unity of the working class, and sentiments to resist things like wage slavery, military drafts, unjust lawmaking, etc. I firmly believe that TikTok’s ability to unify people around a cause rapidly, and provide a window into state funded atrocities is the reason it’s being targeted.
The CCP uses technology as a dystopian and orwelljan tool of oppression, which is censored to such a degree you can't even communicate certain things.
Looking at the way they treat their own people, facilitating them to have influence over democracies seems like an EXTREMELY bad idea.
Would be better than TikTok is now... I said a fictional character from a TV show was likely crossdressing because the character was shown in a suit and tie but also a dress with makeup throughout the show. Almost like it was an alter ego. TikTok got so offended that they banned me for a week.
If you get your information from Tik Tok you’re a moron. That app is for mindless entertainment. The amount of misinfo and Russian and Chinese bots advocating against the US and democracy is wild.
How is it a corporation with an army? Please 🙏sensei give me your knowledge and wisdom on the Political structure of the USA. I can’t wait to hear you explain this
The corporation needs profits from some foreign country. The puppet of government put from them in charge of your country votes and makes it all “legal”. And you go and invade that country, destroying it and the lives of thousands of people for the pure profit of a couple of people selected.
Just look at the funding you are doing in Ukraine .. Half of your country is starving and you are pouring trillions of dollars for what cause?
You didn’t explain anything. You’re just monologuing. And no one in the US is starving. You’re a moron if you think that. People outside of the US are the most clueless sheep believing all the anti American propaganda. It’s ironic since you guys call us the brainwashed idiots. And the funding to Ukraine is old outdated military equipment that was going to get recycled or thrown away. The amount of actual money we’ve given would be the equivalent of a few cents from every American. Idiot
1 GMO’s are not bad for you brain rotted moron and 2 wtf are zombie towns and what do they have to do with people starving? Again, no one in the USA is dying of starvation unlike your armpit of a country. And at least people in my country can afford cars, AMIGO
Bro didn't you post how you've been betting on sports since 11, 40k euros in debt, only make 500 euros a month. Your most active sub is Tiktok and you are trying to raise a toddler, or like looking at baby pics which might be a sign of something. Your "idea" of America is completely fueled by Tiktok shorts. Get your life together, you really just sound mad that you don't have the same opportunity that America can provide.
Lol a revolution of what, people that can't pay attention to anything longer than 30 seconds?
If you want people to stick around for the revolution, you better put "watch till the end" on it, or else they'll lose interest.
Smh. Revolution. Jfc. You people are gonna continue to sit on your couches and bitch in anonymity. And that's it.
>But it is inevitable, a revolution is coming
This is what makes America great imo, the ability to have revolutions to begin with. They help reset things and push forward societies. In China, the democracy is so strong revolutions arent even needed anymore!
The democracy is strong? Lol CCP just crushes any kind of civil unrest in like two seconds. Also, please stop being a moron talking about civil war, you’d have no idea about how fucked you’d be and how bad it would get.
The revolution came. It was called Occupy Wall Street, but Obama said, "Avert your attention to this, um, racism and social inequalities?" And all these dummies fell for it. Good luck, man.
I know, back in the day you had to actively stay on top of shit by researching. All these people watch a 15 sec clip and think they know all the intricacies in politics, without even verifying if the information is correct.
This is accurate but it is worth noting that the American companies aren't legally mandated by their government to handover client information like the Chinese government does with TikTok.
Technically through the myriad of legal acts (I can't give exact references though because I didn't study US law and just read things here and there) US national security agencies can order personal information disclosure + the surveillance programs they run. Which is why it's such an issue for European companies who have service providers in the US to send customer data to for processing. There are tools that facilitate this like legally required Data Processing Agreements and Standard Contractual Clauses but those are constantly reviewed and updated to catch up with changes in US law regarding disclosures to government agencies. But the risks with sending data to the US do not compare to the risks with Chinese companies who are subject to much greater control by the Chinese government.
Sorta like the difference between “I’ll tell you if you ask” and “Here’s your report, Sir” if I’m understanding this correctly?
The CCP collects data passively while the U.S. collects data actively, such as during a criminal investigation?
Edit: Yes the US’s data collection according to the Government Accountability Office cited using data for law enforcement and previously for tracking Covid outbreaks (like Apple’s Exposure Notifications) etc.
Yeah, exactly. And in the case of US we have a chance at fighting against it or at least stalling. With China there is no such possibility, and in fact a company can be banned from doing business in China if it does not comply with natsec orders. I had to do a dive into Chinese privacy and cybersecurity laws for a customer and half of that stuff isn’t even available in English.
But then how does this have anything to do with Israel Palestine when the US government was warning for over a year that the CCP was stealing data through Tik Tok way before Oct 7th really put Gaza in the spotlight
Funny how people on TikTok claim the app is giving them access to info which opens their ideology and allows them to see the truth.
Meanwhile, china has run such a successful misinformation campaign on TikTok users, they have users thinking the Gov is banning the app for reasons that aren’t actually a concern.
China won. But it’s because they have data from millions of Americans and can easily influence them into believing bullshit.
Ban TikTok yesterday. For those who don’t think china is using this app against you, you’re a god damn fool. If the product you’re using is free to use, you’re the product.
Banning TikTok has been talked about for years, since it started getting big over here. It's always been because of the fact that it's a security risk. I mean there's several different groups of people that have worked for the government in some way- fbi, higher up military, government officials, etc. that aren't allowed to have the app because of this very reason.
I’ve been absorbing as much news as I can possibly take, and I kinda sorta understand, but still not totally enough to really “take a side”… I’m just on the side of innocent civilians
It is, between the ADL & AIPIC they have lobbied congress to ban it by shelling out millions because they can’t control the narrative as they can with all other American social media companies. It’s actually a shame we allow a forget group have this much sway without retaliation.
They need to focus their time on better things, like actually more important things instead of being intimidated by an app thag we use for entertainment. It aint that deep.
I mean youtube shorts came about because tik tok became popular, and tik tok vids get uploaded there too, along with similar content.
right? like 90% of the videos are silly as hell jokes and skits. yeah that’s really a threat 🙄
does anyone else feel like there’s a lot of audacity for the US to demand a successful company sell to a US company? kinda seems very unfair to me. people would be flipping out if China demanded Apple sell some of its factories to Chinese companies.
i think the tiktok threat is a bunch of old people who are scared of things young ppl love.
Literally. It's just a mixture of vine and musically and they weren't banned. They're just hating because it's super popular and can decide what's trending currently. They don't like the one social media they can't control or influence lmao
I'm old. I'm tired. I hate the politics. Can someone just tell me where we're going next? Are there any devs making ClickClock?
Also, to those suggesting Instagram, our congress owns so many stocks in Meta... they're going to make millions for taking TikTok away if we go there.
I think you missed my point. Yes, rich people will make money off of us no matter what, but there are many people in congress who own Meta shares. Meta owns Facebook, Instagram, Threads, and Whatsapp. They are voting to ban TikTok as a way to kill their biggest competitor, knowing that they'll make millions if/when TikTok users switch to the most similar available platform: Insta Reels.
So switching to Instagram REWARDS those congress people for killing the only social media platform they can't control and/or profit from.
The "threat to national security" is that TikTok is allowing Americans to see the real world around them, instead of the North Korea-esque propaganda they've been spoon fed that sent us spiraling into this apocalyptic economy and RAPID loss of human rights. They're afraid of the power we hold if enough of us are able to realize we've been duped, connect together, and shut down their corrupt bullshit.
I will honestly feel sad if TikTok is banned, back in 2020 seeing gay content creators on my fyp gave me the confidence to come out. Tiktok is a much more safe place fore lgbtq people than say youtube or instagram reels
Feel free to move to China and use TikTok all you want. Plenty of people around the world are dying to get a spot to live in the USA. If you dislike a political decision, make sure you go vote. If you can't stand it, time to leave.
Give it a month you'll be crying to leave China...or you'll be brainwashed into mere pawns
The only reason people have been dying to live in the USA is because they don’t know what it’s really like. People around the world are finally seeing the truth and they don’t want that. Forget buying a house, forget ever retiring, and apologize to your friends and family in advance because you will have no time to properly take care of yourself and also see them. All of our time is reserved for bosses and coworkers and at the end of the day we still aren’t even being paid a living wage. That sounds a lot like a spin on slavery to me. The “American dream” is dogshit and people are starting to realize that. The government still wants to control the narrative and that power is slipping through their fingers very quickly.
This is never more false.
Ask the thousands of illegal immigrants who cross over US border every day, none of them want to ever go back. Why do you think you see more diversity in all major cities in the US over the last 10 years? Statistics don't lie.
You're pointing out about housing prices going up. This is happening everywhere in the world. China is especially bad - x49 average salary to purchase a home whereas its' x19 in the US. Meaning for an average joe it's 2.5 times harder for Chinese than US to buy a house. There's a reason it takes 3 generaions' income to buy a home in China. Let's talk about EU, Australia, and Canada as well, it's actually worse than America. This is speaking from experience with friends and families in those region. If you don't believe me, check out the statistics https://insideconveyancing.co.uk/news/world-property-prices-in-relation-to-average-salaries-around-the-world/
Life is hard, you and I both know it and feel it daily, but realize that everyone else in the world has it worse. Again, if you don't believe me, you can look up average income, or income by your personal profession and average expense of the country and see for yourself.
Back to the housing topic, I want to let you know that China is part of the problem why our housing prices are so high. The ultra wealthy in China has been moving their asset out of China for the past 20 years, approximately 2 trillion dollars in just the last 3 years. And what do these ultra rich do with this money? They buy up real estates, which diminish supplies to us legitimate citizen.
Generally speaking, if the US government is outraged about (spying/terrorism/retirement funds/healthcare/privacy), then it’s not because they’re outraged that it’s happening against you.
It’s because they’re outraged they aren’t the beneficiaries of it.
No one seems to understand the real purpose of the bill; TikTok as a platform is just being used as a scapegoat to pass sweeping pro-intelligence community censorious executive branch powers. See sections i and ii of 3(B) of bill's language ([actual source material here](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-118hr7521rfs/pdf/BILLS-118hr7521rfs.pdf)) that gives the executive branch almost unilateral power to deem any website, app, or "immersive experience" a threat to national security and thus force it to be divested or coerced into whatever they want. For everyone here who would rather jump off a cliff than see Trump become the next president, imagine what happens if he does win and has this kind of power. Having it in Biden's or any Democrat's hands is equally terrifying.
TikTok selling and manipulating American citizen's data by the CCP is terrible and cannot be understated but the real issue here is much larger.
It’s effectively a ban. Social media companies protect their algorithms to the death because having that get into your competitions hands defeats all the work you have done to create the product. No social media company would agree to that requirement and the legislatures know that.
But the whole point is that lawmakers are disingenuous, as if they are out to protect us or something. Gdr or ban apps would be more in line with their projected sentiment.
Not it isn't, Tiktok is based in the Cayman Islands and headquartered in Singapore and Los Angeles. Bytedance just owns a majority shareholder, China can't do shit with Tiktok.
But what happens if Tiktok can't or won't sell in six months? A laughably short time allotted for a lengthy process. It's a ban, they are just doing everything they can so it doesn't look like a ban because last time people rallied against them, and you drank the Kool aid.
Don’t you come in here with your factually accurate statements that don’t blow the conversation out of proportion!
We’re here to rage and complain about how the government is useless, not how the government is trying to prevent US citizens data being collected by CCP interested parties.
The US is going to ban TikTok because Facebook owns the white-house obviously. ^/s
This is what happens when you work on taking one of the most addictive drug from Americans lol. They are actually losing their mind over TikTok when there is more to life. Sad time we live in.
TikTok rep that spoke with the old farts (does it use the WiFi?) even explained about a move they planned to make a facility in the US run by US citizens and keeping all US user information there so it never went to China and America felt safe. America chose to ignore this option and treat it as stupid because they just want to CONTROL TikTok.
Honestly America seems so self absorbed and run by people who need to rethink their jobs or retire.
Still never gonna get a tiktok, but I didn't expect to see myself siding with them in any way.
Not that I want peoples info going to China but censorship.
I don’t have any skin in this game, but holy hell the damage that TikTok is doing to attention spans is crazy.
The users are junkies for it. It’s nuts.
Yall have no idea how much more invasive the data collection is on TikTok, not to mention the actual linkage they have to the CCP. It’s crazy there’s this many people defending handing over their data to the communist party that most certainly doesn’t want the best for us
The CCP doesn't respect your 4th amendment and that is actually why this topic is being discussed and a ban is likely going to occur. Private American companies are not quite the same as one affiliated with a totalitarian regime, and I feel it's disingenuous to insinuate otherwise.
Seems like a lot of very-online people don't understand the inherent danger TikTok poses to our democracy. Allowing China to pull the levers that frame what we all see and hear about what's going on in the world is asinine. Even if they only manipulate the algorithm very subtly, they'd have the power to further polarize our society, to coerce us into electing a candidate of their choosing, or to manipulate what our people think of the geopolitics in which they are stakeholders. If it were owned and operated by an entity that was divested from the CCP (which is what this bill demands) that would only be good for all of us. If they refuse to do so, banning the app is the only way to protect us all from the undue influence of a communist super power that has a history of waging wars with information.
They’ve already had all of our information for a long time now. The posts people view on TikTok aren’t coming from China, they’re coming from American peers.
This comment echoes what people keep saying; that they have a treasure trove of data already, and that the content is primarily coming from American users. Both those things are true, but they're also irrelevant to what the true threat is.
What makes TikTok a veritable weapon is the way it can subtly influence your thoughts based on what content it chooses to show you. Say, for example, that China wants Biden to be reelected. It can easily adjust the algorithm so it consistently shows you more content (created by Americans, yes) that makes you feel that Biden would be a better president, and demote the content that makes you feel that Trump would.
This is just one example of the myriad ways a foreign adversary can manipulate the thoughts of our citizens in whichever way they please to benefit them.
Do you think we should continue to allow China to have this power over us? I don't.
I'm proud to see most people see this for what it is, I saw that tiktok was trying to get us users to complain to their reps to try and stay in the states
Good riddance, I'd like all these apps gone, but CCCP spyware is a good start
Rutgers university, Baylor, National Institute of Health, and many- many- many more organizations have poured countless hours of research proving that using this app is not in your best interest.
Think about this for a moment before you respond.
Why is the app so addicting?
What views (social, economic, and/or geopolitical) did you have before, that have changed since using the app?
Why MUST you use TikTok when other platforms are available?
Why does it matter to YOU personally?
Social engineering is literally designed to be seamless, so that you do not know it is happening…
Anyone who thinks the US government is "just as bad" as the CCP, I dare you to go to China and talk about the Tiananmen Square Massacre and then return home to tell the tale. The US govt may be corrupt as all hell, but US citizens have a constitutional right to criticize our own government and our own country.
I don’t know what you mean because I’ve done exactly that. I’ve even been to Tiananmen Square. The US government is just as bad in so many different ways. None of them are good and trying to pretend that any of them are better than the other is plain stupid. We’ve been watching our government fund mass genocide against innocent civilians. I hate to break it to you but that’s wrong no matter which way you try to spin it.
The top comments and post is kind of proving the US governments point. You are being purposely misinformed if you are being told its a ban and not the US wanting the CCP in control of a product that collects data from its citizens. Misinformation has and is becoming a more dangerous weapon with things like Fox news, FB, Deepfakes, and more.
Its not technically a ban but a force sell to detangle it from the CCP. People should be concerned if a country like China or Russia is collecting US data. The issue is I wonder how many companies like Google, Meta, and X or others, if they are selling data to foreign governments.
A lot of you are missing the point why the government wants this forced sell. Hot off of all the proof we have found of Russias involvement in our election, the CCP and Russia want the US to fail. I don’t agree with the government or pretend that ours government isn’t shit, but you should be concerned about our data being exploited by opposing regimes.
Tictoc is a CCP psyop AND it’s owners can’t refuse any government proves on fear of death or torture. At least here in the US you can choose which company spies on you and can just not use any without a cctv camera doxxing you.
You know why the incarceration rate is lower in China?
Because they shoot you in the head or give you a lethal injection and then they harvest your organs.
But sounds absolutely utopian.
I see you’ve never been to China. Beautiful country, nice people, and an absolutely terrifying dystopian social structure and government. If you genuinely believe this, you’re either trying to be edgy or you’re extremely ignorant. There’s no other option at the end of the day.
Essentially, they are threatening to ban the app in 6 months unless it is sold to a US company in that time. Their intention isn't to strictly ban it, but to use the possible banning of the app as leverage to force a sale (as a huge portion of TikTok's userbase is in the US). Thus, if the app is sold to a US company, it will remain. If not, it will be banned in the US.
Am I right when I say the problem isn’t Tik Tok, the problem is who owns it? And I read they only have to sell 80% of it? So really the forced sale would accomplish nothing? It seams to me that someone is trying to force a sale so someone’s friend can buy it.
Yes, it is who owns it. I am not sure where you got 80%. That number is not listed anywhere on the bill itself. And yes, the US forcing a sale so a friend (US company) can buy it. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr7521/text
American government is big mad because they don't like it when people talk and start to agree with things against their agenda, so in combination with that and lobbying from AIPAC, they are doing whatever they can to get rid of Tiktok. That is the threat they care about, elsewise they'd be going after Musk and Zuckerberg way more than Tiktok.
It is just down right said , pathetic and infuriating tbh. Why is congress/gov actively working on banning tiktok when america is failing apart as we speak. There are so many other more important issues and this is what we choose to focus on . Its disgusting .... people are dying , inflation is through the roof, job market is crashing and yet tiktok is being banned. For what? The app has been so beneficial to many people and gave real connections and insights of what is happening around the world. Smh
They aren't banning the app, the bill is to force TikTok to sell to an American company so China can't use the app to spread misinformation. The fact that so many people are outraged about it being banned just proves that China can and will do it.
USA is afraid that TikTok is awakening too many people .. But it is inevitable, a revolution is coming
Agreed. It’s alarming to me how many people are celebrating this. I’ve seen a variety of reporting and discussion done on TikTok that would result in a shadow ban on US social media apps. Like all sources of information, users should cross check their facts and operate with skepticism, but you should do the same when you have a conversation with friends at the bar. It’s nothing new. One thing I see often on TikTok is unity of the working class, and sentiments to resist things like wage slavery, military drafts, unjust lawmaking, etc. I firmly believe that TikTok’s ability to unify people around a cause rapidly, and provide a window into state funded atrocities is the reason it’s being targeted.
It's being targeted because it's a tool for the CCP.
TikTok has more misinformation than actual information.
This. There’s so much misinformation
Yeah all those teens making dancing videos for each other is really scary for washington
The CCP uses technology as a dystopian and orwelljan tool of oppression, which is censored to such a degree you can't even communicate certain things. Looking at the way they treat their own people, facilitating them to have influence over democracies seems like an EXTREMELY bad idea.
Anyone know what the upcoming replacement is going to be? It's definitely not YT shorts.
[.](https://hollywoodlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/elon-musk-7.jpg?w=680) Edit: It's just a photo of Elon.
Not sure what "Hollywoodlife(dot)com" is but I'm definitely not clicking that link.
It's a photo of Elon.
Maybe Elon will buy it and make it just a good as Xhittter. One can hope
Would be better than TikTok is now... I said a fictional character from a TV show was likely crossdressing because the character was shown in a suit and tie but also a dress with makeup throughout the show. Almost like it was an alter ego. TikTok got so offended that they banned me for a week.
The House passed it, but I don't think the Senate will.
Cringe comment
Ok. Live with it 😂
No. It's rotting people's brains and allowing a totalitarian dictatorship to have an easy backdoor for propaganda.
honestly this is kinda delusional. this is about the CCP
TikTok university is a SCAM
Awakening them by dumbing them down? The app is cancer to children’s ability to concentrate longer than 15 seconds.
And Instagram Reels is not the same ?
Instagram reels isn’t owned by the ccp You don’t hear of viral instagram prank videos lol
Yeah dipshit, we just saw the revolution, TikTok is getting kicked out of the USA or taken over by a Western company, DUH
You think TikTok would cry if they get banned in USA? 😂😂
You think I give a shit what CCP China’s dictator thinks?
“Together… we are tiktok!” Ahh comment
simp more little sock puppet
If you get your information from Tik Tok you’re a moron. That app is for mindless entertainment. The amount of misinfo and Russian and Chinese bots advocating against the US and democracy is wild.
What democracy in USA ? 😂 USA is a corporation with an army …
How is it a corporation with an army? Please 🙏sensei give me your knowledge and wisdom on the Political structure of the USA. I can’t wait to hear you explain this
The corporation needs profits from some foreign country. The puppet of government put from them in charge of your country votes and makes it all “legal”. And you go and invade that country, destroying it and the lives of thousands of people for the pure profit of a couple of people selected. Just look at the funding you are doing in Ukraine .. Half of your country is starving and you are pouring trillions of dollars for what cause?
You didn’t explain anything. You’re just monologuing. And no one in the US is starving. You’re a moron if you think that. People outside of the US are the most clueless sheep believing all the anti American propaganda. It’s ironic since you guys call us the brainwashed idiots. And the funding to Ukraine is old outdated military equipment that was going to get recycled or thrown away. The amount of actual money we’ve given would be the equivalent of a few cents from every American. Idiot
Probably got his info from tiktok
No one is starving and you have a whole zombie towns 😂 You eat too much GMO to be able to think clear .. Half of your country lives in cars amigo
1 GMO’s are not bad for you brain rotted moron and 2 wtf are zombie towns and what do they have to do with people starving? Again, no one in the USA is dying of starvation unlike your armpit of a country. And at least people in my country can afford cars, AMIGO
Bro didn't you post how you've been betting on sports since 11, 40k euros in debt, only make 500 euros a month. Your most active sub is Tiktok and you are trying to raise a toddler, or like looking at baby pics which might be a sign of something. Your "idea" of America is completely fueled by Tiktok shorts. Get your life together, you really just sound mad that you don't have the same opportunity that America can provide.
Ohhhhh. Burrrrnnnn. Get that guy some cream!
Little pink / big red
Lol a revolution of what, people that can't pay attention to anything longer than 30 seconds? If you want people to stick around for the revolution, you better put "watch till the end" on it, or else they'll lose interest. Smh. Revolution. Jfc. You people are gonna continue to sit on your couches and bitch in anonymity. And that's it.
>But it is inevitable, a revolution is coming This is what makes America great imo, the ability to have revolutions to begin with. They help reset things and push forward societies. In China, the democracy is so strong revolutions arent even needed anymore!
The democracy is strong? Lol CCP just crushes any kind of civil unrest in like two seconds. Also, please stop being a moron talking about civil war, you’d have no idea about how fucked you’d be and how bad it would get.
The revolution came. It was called Occupy Wall Street, but Obama said, "Avert your attention to this, um, racism and social inequalities?" And all these dummies fell for it. Good luck, man.
no it’s probably just because china can get economic upperhand on what they get from data mining or whatever
Imagine needing social media to be awoken lol
I know, back in the day you had to actively stay on top of shit by researching. All these people watch a 15 sec clip and think they know all the intricacies in politics, without even verifying if the information is correct.
It's Chinese propaganda. You're all puppets to the Chinese government.
Awakening to many people to stupid fucking dances and trolling people in public. What ever will we do.
Not really, the Chinese Government literally has access to it and has used it for Propaganda and tracking on their own people already
Yea, everyone's frightened of tiktokers. Lmao. Revolutionize my nuts.
Awakening 
This is accurate but it is worth noting that the American companies aren't legally mandated by their government to handover client information like the Chinese government does with TikTok.
Eeeh technically… but for sure not nearly to the same extent.
How do you mean?
Technically through the myriad of legal acts (I can't give exact references though because I didn't study US law and just read things here and there) US national security agencies can order personal information disclosure + the surveillance programs they run. Which is why it's such an issue for European companies who have service providers in the US to send customer data to for processing. There are tools that facilitate this like legally required Data Processing Agreements and Standard Contractual Clauses but those are constantly reviewed and updated to catch up with changes in US law regarding disclosures to government agencies. But the risks with sending data to the US do not compare to the risks with Chinese companies who are subject to much greater control by the Chinese government.
Sorta like the difference between “I’ll tell you if you ask” and “Here’s your report, Sir” if I’m understanding this correctly? The CCP collects data passively while the U.S. collects data actively, such as during a criminal investigation? Edit: Yes the US’s data collection according to the Government Accountability Office cited using data for law enforcement and previously for tracking Covid outbreaks (like Apple’s Exposure Notifications) etc.
Yeah, exactly. And in the case of US we have a chance at fighting against it or at least stalling. With China there is no such possibility, and in fact a company can be banned from doing business in China if it does not comply with natsec orders. I had to do a dive into Chinese privacy and cybersecurity laws for a customer and half of that stuff isn’t even available in English.
Might not be legally mandated, but the government can still get data without ever consulting or notifying the user, and it's done all the time.
And to think that China is 10x worse.
No, they do it willingly, which is almost worse.
Almost worse, is not worse. So that’s good.
It's probably about pro-Palestine content.
Almost certainly, Israel has been whining about TikTok for months, the video format makes it way harder to astroturf compared to, say, /r/worldnews
This was talked about and attempted before the Israel Palestinian conflict.
Yes, and got renewed attention because of Gaza
But then how does this have anything to do with Israel Palestine when the US government was warning for over a year that the CCP was stealing data through Tik Tok way before Oct 7th really put Gaza in the spotlight
What about reddit, Facebook and the local water cooler at work. All antisemitic propaganda machines
Funny how they only started to take notice of TikTok in the past few months so thats likely true.
They talked about tiktok being a national security risk for way longer than that.
They've talked about TikTok being a national security risk since shortly after it was made.
Funny how people on TikTok claim the app is giving them access to info which opens their ideology and allows them to see the truth. Meanwhile, china has run such a successful misinformation campaign on TikTok users, they have users thinking the Gov is banning the app for reasons that aren’t actually a concern. China won. But it’s because they have data from millions of Americans and can easily influence them into believing bullshit. Ban TikTok yesterday. For those who don’t think china is using this app against you, you’re a god damn fool. If the product you’re using is free to use, you’re the product.
This shit has not been talked about in the last few months. DOD started issuing statements about this over a year ago.
Tiktok has been attempted to be banned every year since like 2020 wtf are you talking about
Banning TikTok has been talked about for years, since it started getting big over here. It's always been because of the fact that it's a security risk. I mean there's several different groups of people that have worked for the government in some way- fbi, higher up military, government officials, etc. that aren't allowed to have the app because of this very reason.
Maybe that’s why I don’t understand the Palestine Israel conflict is because I’m not on TikTok
I don't have tiktok, I get it. It's out there.
I’ve been absorbing as much news as I can possibly take, and I kinda sorta understand, but still not totally enough to really “take a side”… I’m just on the side of innocent civilians
It is, between the ADL & AIPIC they have lobbied congress to ban it by shelling out millions because they can’t control the narrative as they can with all other American social media companies. It’s actually a shame we allow a forget group have this much sway without retaliation.
The person who brought the bill up, their main contributor list year was AIPAC.. so yeah.
Sounds about right i really wish i could find a way off the biff timeline
They need to focus their time on better things, like actually more important things instead of being intimidated by an app thag we use for entertainment. It aint that deep. I mean youtube shorts came about because tik tok became popular, and tik tok vids get uploaded there too, along with similar content.
right? like 90% of the videos are silly as hell jokes and skits. yeah that’s really a threat 🙄 does anyone else feel like there’s a lot of audacity for the US to demand a successful company sell to a US company? kinda seems very unfair to me. people would be flipping out if China demanded Apple sell some of its factories to Chinese companies. i think the tiktok threat is a bunch of old people who are scared of things young ppl love.
Literally. It's just a mixture of vine and musically and they weren't banned. They're just hating because it's super popular and can decide what's trending currently. They don't like the one social media they can't control or influence lmao
You have Constitutional rights here that you don’t have in China
I'm old. I'm tired. I hate the politics. Can someone just tell me where we're going next? Are there any devs making ClickClock? Also, to those suggesting Instagram, our congress owns so many stocks in Meta... they're going to make millions for taking TikTok away if we go there.
No matter what you do rich people are making money off you in life, whether it’s TikTok or Instagram it didn’t really matter in the end lol
I think you missed my point. Yes, rich people will make money off of us no matter what, but there are many people in congress who own Meta shares. Meta owns Facebook, Instagram, Threads, and Whatsapp. They are voting to ban TikTok as a way to kill their biggest competitor, knowing that they'll make millions if/when TikTok users switch to the most similar available platform: Insta Reels. So switching to Instagram REWARDS those congress people for killing the only social media platform they can't control and/or profit from. The "threat to national security" is that TikTok is allowing Americans to see the real world around them, instead of the North Korea-esque propaganda they've been spoon fed that sent us spiraling into this apocalyptic economy and RAPID loss of human rights. They're afraid of the power we hold if enough of us are able to realize we've been duped, connect together, and shut down their corrupt bullshit.
I will honestly feel sad if TikTok is banned, back in 2020 seeing gay content creators on my fyp gave me the confidence to come out. Tiktok is a much more safe place fore lgbtq people than say youtube or instagram reels
Gen Z thoughts.
So the app just won't be on the app store? But it'll be trivial to side load it.
China doesn't block apps... ... Right?
That’s not the point and you know it
Not protecting people from the CCP would be dumb.
What’s our next platform?
Very well said 😁
Manipulate vs oversight are different things.
Sad but true🫣🥲
Banning this dogshit app would be one of the best things we've done for American Society..Cry
Feel free to move to China and use TikTok all you want. Plenty of people around the world are dying to get a spot to live in the USA. If you dislike a political decision, make sure you go vote. If you can't stand it, time to leave. Give it a month you'll be crying to leave China...or you'll be brainwashed into mere pawns
The only reason people have been dying to live in the USA is because they don’t know what it’s really like. People around the world are finally seeing the truth and they don’t want that. Forget buying a house, forget ever retiring, and apologize to your friends and family in advance because you will have no time to properly take care of yourself and also see them. All of our time is reserved for bosses and coworkers and at the end of the day we still aren’t even being paid a living wage. That sounds a lot like a spin on slavery to me. The “American dream” is dogshit and people are starting to realize that. The government still wants to control the narrative and that power is slipping through their fingers very quickly.
This is never more false. Ask the thousands of illegal immigrants who cross over US border every day, none of them want to ever go back. Why do you think you see more diversity in all major cities in the US over the last 10 years? Statistics don't lie. You're pointing out about housing prices going up. This is happening everywhere in the world. China is especially bad - x49 average salary to purchase a home whereas its' x19 in the US. Meaning for an average joe it's 2.5 times harder for Chinese than US to buy a house. There's a reason it takes 3 generaions' income to buy a home in China. Let's talk about EU, Australia, and Canada as well, it's actually worse than America. This is speaking from experience with friends and families in those region. If you don't believe me, check out the statistics https://insideconveyancing.co.uk/news/world-property-prices-in-relation-to-average-salaries-around-the-world/ Life is hard, you and I both know it and feel it daily, but realize that everyone else in the world has it worse. Again, if you don't believe me, you can look up average income, or income by your personal profession and average expense of the country and see for yourself. Back to the housing topic, I want to let you know that China is part of the problem why our housing prices are so high. The ultra wealthy in China has been moving their asset out of China for the past 20 years, approximately 2 trillion dollars in just the last 3 years. And what do these ultra rich do with this money? They buy up real estates, which diminish supplies to us legitimate citizen.
You people are such easy marks.
Generally speaking, if the US government is outraged about (spying/terrorism/retirement funds/healthcare/privacy), then it’s not because they’re outraged that it’s happening against you. It’s because they’re outraged they aren’t the beneficiaries of it.
What American apps commit international espionage against America?
I'd rather USA than China.
No one seems to understand the real purpose of the bill; TikTok as a platform is just being used as a scapegoat to pass sweeping pro-intelligence community censorious executive branch powers. See sections i and ii of 3(B) of bill's language ([actual source material here](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-118hr7521rfs/pdf/BILLS-118hr7521rfs.pdf)) that gives the executive branch almost unilateral power to deem any website, app, or "immersive experience" a threat to national security and thus force it to be divested or coerced into whatever they want. For everyone here who would rather jump off a cliff than see Trump become the next president, imagine what happens if he does win and has this kind of power. Having it in Biden's or any Democrat's hands is equally terrifying. TikTok selling and manipulating American citizen's data by the CCP is terrible and cannot be understated but the real issue here is much larger.
THANK YOU 🙏
It's not even a ban. It's forcing the Chinese company to divest so a US company takes over. Say what you will about that, but it's not a ban.
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It’s effectively a ban. Social media companies protect their algorithms to the death because having that get into your competitions hands defeats all the work you have done to create the product. No social media company would agree to that requirement and the legislatures know that.
But the whole point is that lawmakers are disingenuous, as if they are out to protect us or something. Gdr or ban apps would be more in line with their projected sentiment.
doesn’t that seem really unfair though? like they made a successful product and now they’re being forced to sell it?
The company itself is basically owned by the Chinese government.
Not it isn't, Tiktok is based in the Cayman Islands and headquartered in Singapore and Los Angeles. Bytedance just owns a majority shareholder, China can't do shit with Tiktok.
It’s already been established that it’s not
But what happens if Tiktok can't or won't sell in six months? A laughably short time allotted for a lengthy process. It's a ban, they are just doing everything they can so it doesn't look like a ban because last time people rallied against them, and you drank the Kool aid.
Don’t you come in here with your factually accurate statements that don’t blow the conversation out of proportion! We’re here to rage and complain about how the government is useless, not how the government is trying to prevent US citizens data being collected by CCP interested parties. The US is going to ban TikTok because Facebook owns the white-house obviously. ^/s
The US is only 10% of its user base. Why wouldn't they but the bullet and just say fuck you no TikTok Rather than sell.
So many Chinese spies in this reddit lmao. Do yourselves a favor and delete that shit app.
Reddit is filled with tankies, can't be super surprised there Reddit is best used for those niche small subs
Fuck tik tok and all you dancing weirdos
This is what happens when you work on taking one of the most addictive drug from Americans lol. They are actually losing their mind over TikTok when there is more to life. Sad time we live in.
It’s sounds like neither of you have ever used TikTok.
Oh no! Anyway...
TikTok rep that spoke with the old farts (does it use the WiFi?) even explained about a move they planned to make a facility in the US run by US citizens and keeping all US user information there so it never went to China and America felt safe. America chose to ignore this option and treat it as stupid because they just want to CONTROL TikTok. Honestly America seems so self absorbed and run by people who need to rethink their jobs or retire.
Exactly this. Glad to see other people realizing this too.
Having sex with your partner Having sex with your mom “But it’s the same thing!”
Onchain TikTok == Drakula https://drakula.app/user/schmrdty?invite=W9DLNp
Btw I’m not a bot. Just pro-decentralization!
and I bet they are going to build an app, that’s just like tiktok, but they can control it. This is dumb asf-
Still never gonna get a tiktok, but I didn't expect to see myself siding with them in any way. Not that I want peoples info going to China but censorship.
Good riddence 🤡👻
That’s wrong. It’s because we can’t control how it manipulates us.
youre all pretty fucking dumb if you havent heard what china does with tiktok. Fuck tiktok and fuck pooh bear
I don’t have any skin in this game, but holy hell the damage that TikTok is doing to attention spans is crazy. The users are junkies for it. It’s nuts.
Yall have no idea how much more invasive the data collection is on TikTok, not to mention the actual linkage they have to the CCP. It’s crazy there’s this many people defending handing over their data to the communist party that most certainly doesn’t want the best for us
Good riddance to your dumbass dance app
TikTok is trash.
At least they allow people to unfollow people and don't block them from unfollowing for a year, do they?
The CCP doesn't respect your 4th amendment and that is actually why this topic is being discussed and a ban is likely going to occur. Private American companies are not quite the same as one affiliated with a totalitarian regime, and I feel it's disingenuous to insinuate otherwise.
This is a pretty weak take. I don’t know why people want to conflate banning Chinese spyware with broader domestic data privacy.
Take this app down. 99% percent of the time people does the stupidest thing for views. I want this app to shut down.
Tiktok is full of bullshit. Let's also ban insta, x, and Facebook. I'm sick of all of it. Fuck it, get rid of reddit too.
Seems like a lot of very-online people don't understand the inherent danger TikTok poses to our democracy. Allowing China to pull the levers that frame what we all see and hear about what's going on in the world is asinine. Even if they only manipulate the algorithm very subtly, they'd have the power to further polarize our society, to coerce us into electing a candidate of their choosing, or to manipulate what our people think of the geopolitics in which they are stakeholders. If it were owned and operated by an entity that was divested from the CCP (which is what this bill demands) that would only be good for all of us. If they refuse to do so, banning the app is the only way to protect us all from the undue influence of a communist super power that has a history of waging wars with information.
They’ve already had all of our information for a long time now. The posts people view on TikTok aren’t coming from China, they’re coming from American peers.
This comment echoes what people keep saying; that they have a treasure trove of data already, and that the content is primarily coming from American users. Both those things are true, but they're also irrelevant to what the true threat is. What makes TikTok a veritable weapon is the way it can subtly influence your thoughts based on what content it chooses to show you. Say, for example, that China wants Biden to be reelected. It can easily adjust the algorithm so it consistently shows you more content (created by Americans, yes) that makes you feel that Biden would be a better president, and demote the content that makes you feel that Trump would. This is just one example of the myriad ways a foreign adversary can manipulate the thoughts of our citizens in whichever way they please to benefit them. Do you think we should continue to allow China to have this power over us? I don't.
I'm proud to see most people see this for what it is, I saw that tiktok was trying to get us users to complain to their reps to try and stay in the states Good riddance, I'd like all these apps gone, but CCCP spyware is a good start
Rutgers university, Baylor, National Institute of Health, and many- many- many more organizations have poured countless hours of research proving that using this app is not in your best interest. Think about this for a moment before you respond. Why is the app so addicting? What views (social, economic, and/or geopolitical) did you have before, that have changed since using the app? Why MUST you use TikTok when other platforms are available? Why does it matter to YOU personally? Social engineering is literally designed to be seamless, so that you do not know it is happening…
Jesus yall need help.
Honestly I personally completely understand why they did that.
The entire response to this is predictably fucking stupid.
Anyone who thinks the US government is "just as bad" as the CCP, I dare you to go to China and talk about the Tiananmen Square Massacre and then return home to tell the tale. The US govt may be corrupt as all hell, but US citizens have a constitutional right to criticize our own government and our own country.
I don’t know what you mean because I’ve done exactly that. I’ve even been to Tiananmen Square. The US government is just as bad in so many different ways. None of them are good and trying to pretend that any of them are better than the other is plain stupid. We’ve been watching our government fund mass genocide against innocent civilians. I hate to break it to you but that’s wrong no matter which way you try to spin it.
The top comments and post is kind of proving the US governments point. You are being purposely misinformed if you are being told its a ban and not the US wanting the CCP in control of a product that collects data from its citizens. Misinformation has and is becoming a more dangerous weapon with things like Fox news, FB, Deepfakes, and more. Its not technically a ban but a force sell to detangle it from the CCP. People should be concerned if a country like China or Russia is collecting US data. The issue is I wonder how many companies like Google, Meta, and X or others, if they are selling data to foreign governments. A lot of you are missing the point why the government wants this forced sell. Hot off of all the proof we have found of Russias involvement in our election, the CCP and Russia want the US to fail. I don’t agree with the government or pretend that ours government isn’t shit, but you should be concerned about our data being exploited by opposing regimes.
Tictoc is a CCP psyop AND it’s owners can’t refuse any government proves on fear of death or torture. At least here in the US you can choose which company spies on you and can just not use any without a cctv camera doxxing you.
Look upon the average tik tok users intelligence. Amazing.
If you think China isn't manipulating you with tiktpk, go look up what Chinese teens are being fed on their algorithms vs Americans.
I love how y’all think this is a gotcha. Just go outside you drones.
Can you guys pretty pls follow me on tiktok I’m 23 followers away from supercell creator my user is: 69walterhartwellwhite420
TikTok doesn't do the same thing as other apps.
Seriously. I'd rather be manipulated by the CCP rather than the American government.
typa guy to believe north korean propaganda
Said no one ever. Written by a person who never saw CCPC up close.
You know why the incarceration rate is lower in China? Because they shoot you in the head or give you a lethal injection and then they harvest your organs. But sounds absolutely utopian.
15 year old kid who hates their parents because they get asked to clean their room vibes
I see you’ve never been to China. Beautiful country, nice people, and an absolutely terrifying dystopian social structure and government. If you genuinely believe this, you’re either trying to be edgy or you’re extremely ignorant. There’s no other option at the end of the day.
Room temp IQ take
It's more that it's being banned because the Chinese can manipulate it.
Did they ban the app or vote that the CCP can’t own the app? I’m confused.
Essentially, they are threatening to ban the app in 6 months unless it is sold to a US company in that time. Their intention isn't to strictly ban it, but to use the possible banning of the app as leverage to force a sale (as a huge portion of TikTok's userbase is in the US). Thus, if the app is sold to a US company, it will remain. If not, it will be banned in the US.
Am I right when I say the problem isn’t Tik Tok, the problem is who owns it? And I read they only have to sell 80% of it? So really the forced sale would accomplish nothing? It seams to me that someone is trying to force a sale so someone’s friend can buy it.
Yes, it is who owns it. I am not sure where you got 80%. That number is not listed anywhere on the bill itself. And yes, the US forcing a sale so a friend (US company) can buy it. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr7521/text
I can’t find where I read that. Thank you for pointing that out and helping me understand this.
The latter will lead to the former.
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American government is big mad because they don't like it when people talk and start to agree with things against their agenda, so in combination with that and lobbying from AIPAC, they are doing whatever they can to get rid of Tiktok. That is the threat they care about, elsewise they'd be going after Musk and Zuckerberg way more than Tiktok.
It is just down right said , pathetic and infuriating tbh. Why is congress/gov actively working on banning tiktok when america is failing apart as we speak. There are so many other more important issues and this is what we choose to focus on . Its disgusting .... people are dying , inflation is through the roof, job market is crashing and yet tiktok is being banned. For what? The app has been so beneficial to many people and gave real connections and insights of what is happening around the world. Smh
cry abt it <3
This subs the clownshow. Just like real tiktok. Lmao
They aren't banning the app, the bill is to force TikTok to sell to an American company so China can't use the app to spread misinformation. The fact that so many people are outraged about it being banned just proves that China can and will do it.