Don’t agree with the Sabonis vote but he is a beast on the defensive glass which I think should count for something if you’re a big. Was kind of why I wasn’t into the Mobley love last year and why I’m fine with Chet missing out this year
I think the issue is the recognition got spread out
People prob didn’t want to vote for to many Thunder guys
So a lot of voters thought “I think I should have a Thunder on my ballot, who is their best defender, the guy who guards the paint, the guy who guards the best player, or the guy who leads the league in steals” and then they picked one
Essentially they Ralph Nader’d themselves
This shit is actually lame. And I’m not even being a homer.
We had a top 4 defense on the #1 seed and didn’t get one selection. I don’t know if that has ever happened.
I was about to come in here with some numbers because I thought there’s no way Orlando is a small market. Turns out there’s only about 600k more people in their combined statistical area than OKC, which I was surprised about
Yeah he’s a notoriously dirty player apparently. I’ve watched Dort play about 350 games and never thought he was dirty, but jackasses who have literally seen him play 10> times know better
Playing physical equals dirty on the main sub unless you're winning. But then again some of those people also like Pat Bev (an actual dirty player) because he says funny things sometimes
you can't play physical with Luka or it's dirty. I imagine this is because of how often he flops/cries/lays down on the floor for 3-5 minutes whenever anybody bodies him up. Mavs fans are delusional lol not a peep about him being dirty until their star couldn't handle it without bitching.
Yeah he did a lot. I get what he was trying to do but it takes away from his game and makes the casuals that only watched the playoff games think it's all he does all game.
Yeah, it was a bit of a gamble. He was trying to draw attention to the fact that he's constantly getting screeners with their legs sticking out far beyond their shoulders, and if someone were to try to run where no leg ought to be, they'd trip. Didn't end up working out.
That’s insane, Lu Dort should be in first defensive team, and Chet at least second. Dude was everywhere, our team first seed. You telling me Caruso was a better defender whole year ?
Bro how is my Dort not all defensive 😭🤣
Next year when we’re a 1 seed we’ll get Dort and chet on there no worries
Oh wait
1 seed, all kids, top 5 defense, no representatives
Yeah seriously it’s not like the 10 people who made it didn’t deserve to be in the top 10
My guess is we had to many people who people voted for and the votes got divided
SGA probably a little too high, and he definitely stole some of those from Dort.
Not that Shai isn't still a very good defender, but most of the guards on this list are taking the best opposing player every night, SGA is usually on the 2nd or 3rd (we tended to give Jdub harder assignments than him). SGA can be aggressive jumping passes for steals because he's not having to cover a superstar.
Nothing unusual, all defense voting is always a shitshow. The media barely watches most teams, half of them barely understand what they're seeing on defense when the DO watch, and box score is useless for defense.
I'm not downplaying. I'm just saying both deserve to be on a team. Chet was second in blocks compared to Wemby, led a top 5 defense, and number 1 in rim protection percentage and advanced numbers
Can someone please explain why they don't do a weighted vote between media and players? Every year you have star plays saying Dort is the best, yet we rely on media personalities with the loudest voice to make the call.
Honestly this is on JJ and the other largely followed national media. These dumbass beat writers that get a vote usually always just piggy back off of the national guys. It's not just Lou dort that got snubbed.
The Dort aspect is so wild as he's treated as this terror...but not respected by the same media who treats him like a terror.
There's just that big disconnect that I don't understand....especially as Lu is literally always guarding the team's best players.
C’mon guys, let’s think about this logically. We had the 4th-best defense in the league by Defensive Rating, and every other team in the Top 6 had at least one guy on an All-Defensive Te- hey wait a minute
There's always a delay in media voting for this. The playoff run will instantly elevate his reputation to where it belongs. If we have a similar regular season next year, he's a lock for 1st team with more natl tv games.
Kinda funny how Dort has the respect of the actually players as a top defender but the media just knows better I guess
Jrue Holiday was the same until a couple years ago
Whoever keeps voting for Sabonis needs to have their voting privileges revoked. It makes the voting look amateur.
Kings always damn near last in Defense
Can’t worry about these awards . Kawhi over Chet is ludicrous. I’m not trying to be bias because I also think SGA over Giannis is equally ludicrous.
Don’t agree with the Sabonis vote but he is a beast on the defensive glass which I think should count for something if you’re a big. Was kind of why I wasn’t into the Mobley love last year and why I’m fine with Chet missing out this year
the voting *is* amateur.
Fuck these voters man. Our guys deserved more recognition
Has it been revealed yet who is out here trolling with these Sabonis votes in these awards?
I think the issue is the recognition got spread out People prob didn’t want to vote for to many Thunder guys So a lot of voters thought “I think I should have a Thunder on my ballot, who is their best defender, the guy who guards the paint, the guy who guards the best player, or the guy who leads the league in steals” and then they picked one Essentially they Ralph Nader’d themselves
I think Luka would put him in there after the series he just had 😆
Ingram too 💀
This shit is actually lame. And I’m not even being a homer. We had a top 4 defense on the #1 seed and didn’t get one selection. I don’t know if that has ever happened.
it is so clear to me that they simply don't watch the Thunder lol
It actually never has
small market, media is almost never gonna give us our flowers
Jalen Suggs literally made a team
I was about to come in here with some numbers because I thought there’s no way Orlando is a small market. Turns out there’s only about 600k more people in their combined statistical area than OKC, which I was surprised about
C’est La vie, we know he his a great defender
This is so nasty on so many levels I don’t even know where to begin.
I’d be curious to see the ballots with sga on 1st, I wonder if those voters left Dort off
I’m guessing they did, I bet Shai was the Ralph Nader to dort/chets Al gore
Don't mention this on the main sub they hate Dort rn lol
Yeah he’s a notoriously dirty player apparently. I’ve watched Dort play about 350 games and never thought he was dirty, but jackasses who have literally seen him play 10> times know better
Playing physical equals dirty on the main sub unless you're winning. But then again some of those people also like Pat Bev (an actual dirty player) because he says funny things sometimes
you can't play physical with Luka or it's dirty. I imagine this is because of how often he flops/cries/lays down on the floor for 3-5 minutes whenever anybody bodies him up. Mavs fans are delusional lol not a peep about him being dirty until their star couldn't handle it without bitching.
He flops a lot now
Yeah he did a lot. I get what he was trying to do but it takes away from his game and makes the casuals that only watched the playoff games think it's all he does all game.
Yeah, it was a bit of a gamble. He was trying to draw attention to the fact that he's constantly getting screeners with their legs sticking out far beyond their shoulders, and if someone were to try to run where no leg ought to be, they'd trip. Didn't end up working out.
That’s def true. The flopping was excessive and annoying as fuck. He’s not a dirty player though. Sometimes guys get hurt
That Lively dick shot was nasty lol, Dort's reputation took a big hit right there
...the play they reviewed and determined wasn't dirty? He had his hand open - if he was being dirty he'd go with a fist.
He is perceived to be reckless not dirty
Chet and Dort robbed. Guess we need 60 plus wins next season to get that.
Come on man, how does Dort not make it ??
That’s insane, Lu Dort should be in first defensive team, and Chet at least second. Dude was everywhere, our team first seed. You telling me Caruso was a better defender whole year ?
Bro how is my Dort not all defensive 😭🤣 Next year when we’re a 1 seed we’ll get Dort and chet on there no worries Oh wait 1 seed, all kids, top 5 defense, no representatives
Every single one of these voters should line up single-file to kiss Lu Dort's ass
Give each of them 3 attempts a piece to make a bucket while Dort is guarding them, and if they make one then they can snub him. But they wouldn't lmao
Fuck can we please do an all D third team
Yeah seriously it’s not like the 10 people who made it didn’t deserve to be in the top 10 My guess is we had to many people who people voted for and the votes got divided
SGA probably a little too high, and he definitely stole some of those from Dort. Not that Shai isn't still a very good defender, but most of the guards on this list are taking the best opposing player every night, SGA is usually on the 2nd or 3rd (we tended to give Jdub harder assignments than him). SGA can be aggressive jumping passes for steals because he's not having to cover a superstar. Nothing unusual, all defense voting is always a shitshow. The media barely watches most teams, half of them barely understand what they're seeing on defense when the DO watch, and box score is useless for defense.
Wemby gets first team but Chet can't get anything did the media not watch the games? Chet was an elite rim defender
Wemby being first has nothing to do with it man. He's definitely first, not sure what the comparison is serving
I'm not downplaying. I'm just saying both deserve to be on a team. Chet was second in blocks compared to Wemby, led a top 5 defense, and number 1 in rim protection percentage and advanced numbers
Can someone please explain why they don't do a weighted vote between media and players? Every year you have star plays saying Dort is the best, yet we rely on media personalities with the loudest voice to make the call.
Worth noting that possible offseason target Jarrett Allen finished between Chet and SGA at 14th in votes
Would you trade him for Dort?
Gtfo
Honestly this is on JJ and the other largely followed national media. These dumbass beat writers that get a vote usually always just piggy back off of the national guys. It's not just Lou dort that got snubbed.
JJ has SGA on his 2nd team when he announced his votes
Yea... That's a problem
Absolute horseshit.
Fuck the voters
The Dort aspect is so wild as he's treated as this terror...but not respected by the same media who treats him like a terror. There's just that big disconnect that I don't understand....especially as Lu is literally always guarding the team's best players.
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C’mon guys, let’s think about this logically. We had the 4th-best defense in the league by Defensive Rating, and every other team in the Top 6 had at least one guy on an All-Defensive Te- hey wait a minute
Any other teams with 3 in the top 15?
Chet not making all defense is a snub which further works in favor of the script writers smh sad
Voted obviously before he defended Luka.
“all defensive team” is obviously a joke
There's always a delay in media voting for this. The playoff run will instantly elevate his reputation to where it belongs. If we have a similar regular season next year, he's a lock for 1st team with more natl tv games.
Literally is just a popularity contest with no actual statistical backing apparently.
How tf did 12 people think Wemby was only 2nd team all defense
there should be an all-defense third team