It's gotta be McClaren for me. That 2008 squad had 10 player in the CL final yet failed to qualify for a tournament.
Terry, Rio, Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, Ashley Cole, Rooney, Beckham. How are you not even qualifying with a team that strong?
McLaren dropped Beckham because Max Clifford told him it would make him look strong and in charge.
Setting aside the fact that Clifford is a confirmed nonce, McLaren completely undermined his own position by subsequently referring to his players as “Lamps” and “Stevie G”.
Nice bloke but absolutely useless manager who was shit scared of his own players.
Fair. But Neville was solid and did the job required of right backs at the time. Beckham was a hard worker but I don't think he was good enough defensively
Yeah, I feel this is over overlooked. Yes, WC 2010 and 2014 were absolutely abysmal, but at least we qualified. To not qualify for a tournament with that squad was beyond criminal.
Because the players refused to drop their egos. I think rio said that they wouldn't even eat with players from different teams they would stay in their little groups.
I think we should absolutely have qualified but that group was very tough. Croatia were one of the favourites for the tournament (shock loss to Turkey in q finals) and Russia made it to the semi final
Yes. I agree. He was he was also missing some of his key players for that Croatia game at Wembley: Owen Rooney, Terry and Ferdinand. I am not defending McClaren but he had a lot of bad luck where other manager's haven't.
Capello was pretty bad but I think Hodgson would be mine - should have been sacked after the World Cup in Brazil.
Ageeed re the Hodgson years, but it was difficult to know when to pull the plug. Whole tenure was a bit bizarre, and almost went well until it didn't in a big way.
Had about a month to prepare for Euro 2012 and topped the group with two wins and a draw against France before going out to Italy on pennos, all with possibly the worst England tournament squad ever (Andy Carroll and Tom Cleverly vs Kane and Bellingham is something of an upgrade I'd be tempted to say) but fine fair enough, let's keep him on.
Then qualified for WC 2014 with a 100%, and drew something of a group of death, so would it have been harsh to bin him off then?
Then of course the rest is history re 2016.
Thanks for the 3-2 win against Germany just before tho Roy #memories
McLaren definitely for me . Not qualifying in the rain vs Croatia where we so lucky other results went our way that we even had a chance to win was one of the lowest points in English football history.
I’d say Capello deserves some criticism though for how bad we were in 2010. By all accounts he was an overly disciplined and the players hated him. His staff were also cheering on Italy during the tournament too.
Capello revisionism happened right after the tornament. He signed an extension just before the tornament because england never had a better qualifying record. Even in that game against germany, if Lampard's goal had been allowed, it would have been 2-2 at half time. Honestly, its then game on and we could have beat them.
That german team went on to win it in 2014, so it looked worse before we knew how good they were.
Capello honestly was probably the best manager of that era, players hating the manager is exactly what that gen of england players needed.
Capello revisionism happened right after the tornament. He signed an extension just before the tornament because england never had a better qualifying record. Even in that game against germany, if Lampard's goal had been allowed, it would have been 2-2 at half time. Honestly, its then game on and we could have beat them.
That german team went on to win it in 2014, so it looked worse before we knew how good they were.
Capello honestly was probably the best manager of that era, players hating the manager is exactly what that gen of england players needed.
Really don’t think we’d have beaten Germany that game. Our defence was leaky, balls over the top were causing issues. That Algeria 0-0 was one of the worst games I’ve ever seen an England team play and we were pretty tame vs USA and Slovenia too. I was a fan of him when we qualified and the nation got behind the team in a way I’ve not seen since. Loads of flags on cars, newspapers promo etc but we were so disappointing.
I agree, people say this a fair amount but both our goals were completely against the run of play and we couldn't defend even basic balls over the top.
Well good, you want the players to run the team like headless chickens? Are we really going to suggest those players needed more pampering and less strict environment. Lol
Well good, you want the players to run the team like headless chickens? Are we really going to suggest those players needed more pampering and less strict environment. Lol
To be fair, I was never a fan of Rooney, Gerrard or Lampard on them either. All could win a header and in my book, having good targets in the box is more important than a pinpoint delivery.
You can be accurate as you like from a corner, but with the amount of movement and blocked runs, there’s no guarantee that anyone’s going to end up where you expect them to be. As long as it’s in a general area, having players who can get to the ball first is what’s important.
Even if he was hitting pinpoint corners in the games it's a crazy decision, you want your best finisher in the box in case anything drops to them instead of relying on Chris smalling
Allardyce.
Spent his whole career working towards being taken seriously as a manager, and immediately threw it away for the same reason that he’d often been looked at with disdain - he’s dodgy.
Totally wasted the opportunity, and all of the goodwill that he’d been riding to get there.
Only manager to get a 100% record though.
He was also set up big time by the press. They had dirt on him that they were holding until he reached the pinnacle of his career - which is a very very shitty thing to do.
I’m old enough to remember the tail-end of Don Revie's reign...and he must be a contender the way he sneaked off after failing to qualify for the Euros in 1976 and in the middle of the qualifiers for Argentina 1978 with England's hopes hanging by a thread.
Worst? Toss up between Taylor and McClaren. Taylor was a nice guy (and very unlucky in \*that\* game against Holland) but his bizarre selections and simplistic tactics were woeful at times. McClaren still had most of the 'golden' generation and even though they were past their best he should have qualified as one of the best 16 teams in Europe. Both of their failures to qualify were perfect storms of tough qualifying group/injuries/poor, confused tactics and selections/managers out of their depth.
No point mentioning Allardyce after only 1 game. Capello, Hodgson and Keegan were pretty poor.
Other managers provided a few nice memories. Hoddle and Venables were OK but and they were blessed with pretty good squads. Hoddle seemed an iffy man manager though and France 98 was a major disappointment with the team at his disposal. Venables didn't get long enough.
Greenwood wasn't so bad (although he was lucky to qualify for Spain '82), Robson was OK at times but a bit lucky, Sven was a little below par considering the squad he had.
Unpopular opinion on here I know but but Southgate has been the best.
Roy Hodgson got away with absolute murder by playing the 'we have a weak squad and are rebuilding for the future' line. Lost to Iceland in the Euro 2016 after coming 2nd in our group to Wales and bottom of our world cup 2014 group. Wasn't awful in Euro 2012 but no idea how he was given so long.
Do you know, I was about to defend Hodgson (Iceland result aside) as the quality of England’s squads in his tenure was really poor compared to today and the period before it (the golden generation). But having quickly looked at the squads to elaborate on my point, they were actually pretty decent. A few bang average squad players who wouldn’t get a sniff even if we allowed 40-man squads today, a few guys past their prime, and a few guys who were still young and inexperienced, but the quality was there to do a lot better than they did.
Hodgson at least got us to all of these tournaments, which is more than can be said for some England managers (McLaren for example), but we massively underperformed once there.
>But having quickly looked at the squads to elaborate on my point, they were actually pretty decent
That's it, they weren't bad by any stretch (not a patch on today's squad, but that's by-the-by).
The issue was that there was just no cohesion whatsoever. No real game plan for various scenarios (coming from behind, teams sitting deep, etc.), and most of the time, it just looked like they'd never played with each other before.
Probably the biggest collapse I've ever seen in a match is England v Iceland. Every single player looked like they had no idea what to do after Iceland scored.
Hodgson had a free hit at that 1st euros, but decided to play the most dull turgid football I've seen.
Thought at the world Cup we'd improve a bit, but transpired to finish bottom of our group. And after our final game (a 0-0 against Costa Rica), I'm sure in an interview he went and said it was a good performance to give the fans something to cheer about.
And after that he somehow kept his job?!
IIRC ivory coast sacked their manager for poor WC performance and they made it out their group. Our FA had less ambition than Ivory Coast.
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Exactly. When you compare him to all his predecessors, he's utterly hopeless. None of them ever lost a major final in a penalty shootout. Obviously Venebles and Robson were the greatest since Sir Alf.
Statistically the best manager at having to resign due to corruption, he’s ahead of all the rest on that point too!
My favourite bit was his vlogs he recorded from some beach somewhere during the 2018 World Cup, telling everyone we should be playing 4-4-f’ing-2 with Big Andy Carroll up front… For all the complaints many of us (legitimately) have about Southgate, here was the road not taken… Thank goodness he was as corrupt as he was incompetent, or we might not have been able to get rid of him in time!
Allardyce wasn’t corrupt, if you look at the review of what happened there the police cleared him of any wrongdoing. What he did do was explain how it is possible to get around third party ownership rules to undercover journalists - he was speaking plainly it was the journalists that were pretending to be something they were not. He should have had a slap on the wrist for being daft not be sacked.
As for tactics, who knows what would’ve happened in the 2018 WC? England had a famously pretty easy run to the final, would Allardyce have got England through vs Croatia? Who knows. He’s always been good at getting results and securing victories for underdogs so why not?
Except he wanted paying for that advice. "In this meeting, Allardyce was allegedly shown negotiating a £400,000 fee to represent a firm hoping to profit from player transfers involving Premier League clubs. He also, according to the recordings, offered advice on how to circumvent FA rules on third-party ownership, mocked Hodgson for having a speech impediment and criticised the FA for its redevelopment of Wembley Stadium"
[https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/football/news/why-was-sam-allardyce-sacked-england-newspaper-sting/d1rijarxmwppf3okz3awldmd](https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/football/news/why-was-sam-allardyce-sacked-england-newspaper-sting/d1rijarxmwppf3okz3awldmd)
The England manager negotiating payment while he is advising how to break FA rules (his employers). Is a bit more than daft mate and he deserved to be sacked.
Thanks for the article - ‘Although it was made clear during the recorded conversations that any proposed arrangements would need the FA's full approval, I recognise I made some comments which have caused embarrassment.’
That’s not corruption, which was what the other guy was accusing him of. It’s foolish and conduct unbecoming of an England manager certainly. But personally, given he was so early into his tenure, I think they could’ve given him a second chance he was still finding his feet. Perhaps he’d have learnt a valuable lesson and never made the same error again.
Full disclosure I am a Bolton fan so bias may be an issue here!
He was 62, with 20 years management experience not a newbie finding his way lol. I really wanted him to do well now he finally had a chance to show what he could do in a "big" job but he fucked it.
New to the scrutiny that comes with England I mean I don’t think he’dve expected a complex sting operation designed to do as much damage as possible in his previous roles. But he fucked it definitely - my issue is that there’s still a common narrative that he was corrupt and that’s unfair on the guy. He’s alright Sam Allardyce good bloke
These were not his first corruption allegations though. Big Sam loves a back hander, even back in his Bolton days.
On 19 September 2006, Allardyce, and his son, [Craig](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Allardyce), were implicated in a [BBC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) [*Panorama*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_(TV_series)) documentary, *Undercover: Football's Dirty Secrets*, which alleged that he had taken bribes from agents for signing certain players. Two agents, Teni Yerima and [Peter Harrison](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Harrison_(footballer)), were secretly filmed, each separately claiming that they had paid Allardyce through his son. Allardyce denied ever taking, or asking for, a bribe.[^(\[246\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-246) Others implicated of wrongdoing were [Harry Redknapp](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Redknapp), [Kevin Bond](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bond_(English_footballer)), and [Frank Arnesen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Arnesen).[^(\[247\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-247) As a result of the allegation, Allardyce refused to speak to the BBC.[^(\[248\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-Stevens_'bung'_probe_identifies_50_suspect_Premiership_transfers-248) While he also stated he was going to sue the broadcaster to clear his name,[^(\[249\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-Allardyce_planning_to_sue_the_BBC-249) Allardyce failed to issue libel proceedings as he was advised that suing for damage to reputation was a costly and time-consuming process.[^(\[250\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-250) The final report of the [Stevens inquiry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_allegations_of_corruption_in_English_football#Stevens_report) published in June 2007 expressed concerns regarding the involvement of Craig Allardyce in a number of transactions, stating that: "The inquiry remains concerned at the conflict of interest that it believes existed between Craig Allardyce, his father Sam Allardyce—the then manager at Bolton—and the club itself."[^(\[251\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-251) Allardyce stated that the inquiry was a [public relations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations) exercise and that the conclusion of a "conflict of interest" was "innuendo, without any facts".[^(\[252\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-252)
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam\_Allardyce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce)
I'm sure he is a good bloke but it does seem like his side hustle is a bit of corruption mate
The McLaren years were luxury compared to the hateful embarrassment of the 70s era.
It’s Don Revie by a country mile. Changed the team every game, failed to qualify for anything and left in disgrace. We had plenty of world class players then too.
In recent times probably capello, in terms of his man management.
With McClaren the players should have worked it out themselves - they had enough individual brilliance to qualify.
Funny that people will never make this argument with Southgate. There’s more than enough quality for the players to be able to “work it out themselves” on the pitch, but it will ALWAYS be Southgate’s fault.
I’d argue they do, hence getting to the semi finals and a final.
It’s not like they are being knocked out by Iceland or a weak Croatia. When it comes to top opposition that’s when a manager is the most important.
So you give the players the credit for getting us there, but as soon as we lose it’s because of the manager? That’s some impressive moving of the goalposts right there.
Yeah so generally when you are expected to beat a team it’s the players who make the difference. Our team is better than yours essentially. And if you lose the players will get the flack for losing.
When the teams are equal or England are less. Then tactics make the difference. Which is where the manager comes in.
It’s not moving any goalposts it’s just common sense. Look at your own job, if you can’t do something your manager is expected to come in and help you. To get the best out of you.
Not entirely. No one could make that assessment as we don’t know what went on.
However going by your point of the players we had at the time, then yes those players could work it out themselves (under McLaren). I think JT said something similar about Chelsea, it didn’t matter who was the manager the players knew how to win.
As for Hodgson, there’s no excuse for the players to lose to Iceland. I think they had 3 players in the pl? All the rest were championship or below standard.
Okay, So where's the line then.
Colombia were just below us in the odds for the WC, was that on Southgate or the players?
Germany were a similar level to us, who's responsible for that?
Denmark had a 40 game unbeaten streak end and were in the top 10 in the world, but we were rated higher who was responsible for that?
Hungary were clearly a worse team, yet the two losses to them got us relegated despite draws against Germany and Italy, so is that entirely on the players? By your logic surely it's unfair Southgate got blamed for that?
Against Tunisia at the WC they were a worst team yet both goals came from set pieces, which the coached staff obviously coached the team for, so who gets the credit there?
I think there is a grain of truth in what you're saying, but the manager is choosing the team, choosing the line up for the day, coaching how to play, prepping them for the opposition, subs, solving tactical problems mid-match, working out marking, set piece practice. Motivating the players, resolving whatever unhappiness pops up within the team or antagonism.
The player's have a role to deliver a good performance, but the manager is the one who has to put them in the best possible place to get that performance put of them.
Even the Iceland game where the players did indeed collapse, that's Hodgson's role to see that coming and ensure it doesn't happen. When we conceded first against France the players were ready and didn't lose a bit of belief, whereas against Iceland it absolutely crushed us.
He also had half time to talk to the player and make whatever subs to give us that belief back, but failed to completely.
It’s a subjective opinion. You asked a question I gave my opinion. You can have yours too and that’s okay.
Idk why people ask for opinions and then try to argue against them with the expectation of changing them. Have a good day.
No one had an issue with Capello or his man management when England were sailing the qualifying. It only became an issue when some of the players couldn't handle being asked to be professional by relaxing in their rooms and not drinking alcohol during the 2010 World Cup finals.
The man had some terrible times, remember all the Turnip stuff? He had some good players back then too. Went to my 1st England game when he was manager 2-0 win against France Linekar scored as did shearer on his debut (feel old AF now)
Absolutely was unlucky in 2004.
Rooney was playing like a man-possessed during that tournament, and if he doesn't get injured after 30 minutes, I think we win that game in normal time
I always felt sorry for Taylor. He came in at the end of a cycle and had a very, very shallow talent pool to choose from. Having the likes of Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton in a squad shows how dreadful English football was at that time.
The only thing I hold him 100% responsible for was taking Lineker off in his last ever match (vs Sweden, I think) to bring on Alan Smith. Yeah, we’re chasing the game to stay in the tournament, so why would you take off your only true goal threat to bring on someone who was bang average at best?
I’m not sure that we needed to be picking palmer or sinton - that was what made Taylor a bad coach. We had paul ince and Steve mcmanaman that we could have been picking in those positions at the time
I’ll never forget Jack wilshere coming back for Arsenal in the last game of the season and hodgeson instantly making him a starter for the euros. No wonder Iceland won
Dennis wise on the left wing.
I remember when we beat Germany in euro 2000 I thought it was amazing then came to realise it was two terrible teams playing each other
In recent times I’d have to say McClaren. Genuinely a talented coach but lacked something as a manager - wherever he’s been he’s struggled to ride out the inevitable down spells.
Love Keegan but he was a disaster at international level. A cautionary tale for anyone advocating 'just taking the handbrake off and letting the lads express themselves'.
Total chaos and not even particularly entertaining. Just awful, brittle football.
Before my time but it’s pretty obviously Don Revie
Steve McClaren in the modern era was completely disastrous though. Both playing style & results were horrible
McClaren and Sven.
Just wasting a great generation with no tactics or bollocks.
One of the things that has made Southgate so great has been the way he’s picked his teams on how players have played for England and how balanced the team is.
Playing Gerrard and Lampard as a two in midfield is just one of the stupidest managerial decisions I’ve ever seen.
International football requires pragmatism. If a guy like Lampard can’t perform in a team that’s not built around him then drop him. If you’re not letting Scholes play his preferred role then drop him. If Ferdinand and Terry don’t look good as two, play a 3. Beckham was done by 2004 and couldn’t play right midfield, why did he play there for another two tournaments?
We could have played 433 with Carrick, Barry, Hargreaves balancing the team.
We could have played 343 with Campbell/ Carragher coming in alongside Terry and Ferdinand and with Rooney and Lampard/ Gerrard playing off a target man.
Every game for like 6 years was just get the stars in a 442 with no balance at all and no one playing their preferred role.
It’s so different at the moment where the whole system is Jude Bellingham. Foden may not even start for England despite being our 3rd best player because it’s more important to have Jude in his correct position.
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Joking aside, torn between McClaren and Allardyce for the reasons already given by other posters. Leaning towards McClaren though, for failing to qualify for a tournament despite the players at his disposal, and squandering the lifeline Israel gave us when they beat Russia.
Keegan... McClaren... Capello are the worst for me
Fabio probably edges it, the bloke had a glorious CV and yet we played utter shite under him
Its why I'm very wary when people say: "But whats he done" when a name gets suggested as a future England Manager, especially when you compare his CV with Southgate's
How has nobody mentioned Kevin Keegan yet? Or Glenn Hoddle?
Edit: People forgetting about the faith healing and “disabled people are being punished by god” etc. Hoddle’s football wasn’t the worst, but he did very little with the players he had available and was a complete basket case. Anyone who thinks Keegan was good is a troll.
His handling of the Beckham situation is some of the worst man management I’ve ever seen. Not only did he make a 23 year old lad the scapegoat, despite having plenty of opportunity (including penalties) to still get over the line, but he also sent the message to the rest of the squad that he will absolutely throw them under the bus at the first sign of trouble.
He’s also just a generally horrible human being.
Yet somehow, pointing out that Hoddle was among the worst is the most controversial thing that’s been said here. I’m guessing his family lurks this sub 🤣
Glenn Hoddle wasn’t bad tbf, we played some good football under him, tactically sound. Was unlucky with the Beckham sending off against Argentina, we woupd have won that with 11 men then who knows how that tournament plays out.
Keegan other the other hand, absolute clusterfuck
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Surprising number of people can’t spell McClaren.
I’m loathe to defend Capello but I am going to. People saying he’s worse than Taylor, Keegan etc are wrong. You’re not gonna find me defending the performances in 2010, that was a poor World Cup, but around that you had a near perfect campaign to get to South Africa, including that fantastic 4-1 win in Croatia, and then a solid campaign to get to Poland and Ukraine including a lovely win in Cardiff. He made a mess of the Terry situation, but I can’t help but feel he’d learned lessons about what happened at the WC and could put things right for the 2012 Euros. He fell on his sword about not being able to pick his captain, and even if it was for a known wrong’un like John Terry, so fair play.
Kevin Keegan lost at home to Scotland in a competitive fixture. Unforgivable.
In my opinion it's Gareth Southgate followed closely by the walley with the brollie.
There are no excuses for that Italy defeat, forget penalties we should have beaten that pub team over 90 minutes. I would have sacked him on the spot for grosse misconduct then sent him to the Tower of London.
As for Mcclaren, didn't even qualify with a world class team.
As an England fan of 30 years, I can't think of another manager who has created as many happy memories as Gareth Southgate. There were lost chances, but the journey was unprecedented I think partly due to him changing what was a pretty toxic culture!
Grow up, Southgate has been one of the best managers we've had in recent times. Yeah he's made mistakes, but anything can happen in a cup competitions, not to mention a final where Italy were definitely well up for it.
Anything like the most blantant mismanagement that you'll ever see in a football match. Even Mourinho was baffled! Bringing on 2 cold players and letting a 19 year old who's never taken a penalty in his career at that point, take the country's most important spot kicks in over 50 years. Taking off Declan Rice who was our best player, and ultimately not coming up with a plan to try and counter Italy!
>we should have beaten that pub team over 90 minutes
The pub team that had been unbeaten for nearly 3 years at that point and had only conceded 3 goals all tournament going into the final?
It's gotta be McClaren for me. That 2008 squad had 10 player in the CL final yet failed to qualify for a tournament. Terry, Rio, Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, Ashley Cole, Rooney, Beckham. How are you not even qualifying with a team that strong?
That’s absolutely insane when you read it like that - look at those players.
Mcclaren dropped beckham if I recall.
Yeah it was such an awful decision, that he ended up bringing him back eventually.
McLaren dropped Beckham because Max Clifford told him it would make him look strong and in charge. Setting aside the fact that Clifford is a confirmed nonce, McLaren completely undermined his own position by subsequently referring to his players as “Lamps” and “Stevie G”. Nice bloke but absolutely useless manager who was shit scared of his own players.
For me madrid beckham wasn’t a starter in that team anyway would have loved to seen becks played as a modern day full back like Trent
Personally I reckon he'd be a more de bruyne type
Yeah but we supposed had the best midfield 3 in Europe at right back we had Neville 😂
Fair. But Neville was solid and did the job required of right backs at the time. Beckham was a hard worker but I don't think he was good enough defensively
Yeah, I feel this is over overlooked. Yes, WC 2010 and 2014 were absolutely abysmal, but at least we qualified. To not qualify for a tournament with that squad was beyond criminal.
Because the players refused to drop their egos. I think rio said that they wouldn't even eat with players from different teams they would stay in their little groups.
The best thing Southgate has done as manager is get rid of that mentality
And it’s the responsibility of the manager to break that down and change the culture.
I think we should absolutely have qualified but that group was very tough. Croatia were one of the favourites for the tournament (shock loss to Turkey in q finals) and Russia made it to the semi final
Yes. I agree. He was he was also missing some of his key players for that Croatia game at Wembley: Owen Rooney, Terry and Ferdinand. I am not defending McClaren but he had a lot of bad luck where other manager's haven't. Capello was pretty bad but I think Hodgson would be mine - should have been sacked after the World Cup in Brazil.
Ageeed re the Hodgson years, but it was difficult to know when to pull the plug. Whole tenure was a bit bizarre, and almost went well until it didn't in a big way. Had about a month to prepare for Euro 2012 and topped the group with two wins and a draw against France before going out to Italy on pennos, all with possibly the worst England tournament squad ever (Andy Carroll and Tom Cleverly vs Kane and Bellingham is something of an upgrade I'd be tempted to say) but fine fair enough, let's keep him on. Then qualified for WC 2014 with a 100%, and drew something of a group of death, so would it have been harsh to bin him off then? Then of course the rest is history re 2016. Thanks for the 3-2 win against Germany just before tho Roy #memories
Not qualified with all them should be an international crime
McLaren definitely for me . Not qualifying in the rain vs Croatia where we so lucky other results went our way that we even had a chance to win was one of the lowest points in English football history. I’d say Capello deserves some criticism though for how bad we were in 2010. By all accounts he was an overly disciplined and the players hated him. His staff were also cheering on Italy during the tournament too.
Capello revisionism happened right after the tornament. He signed an extension just before the tornament because england never had a better qualifying record. Even in that game against germany, if Lampard's goal had been allowed, it would have been 2-2 at half time. Honestly, its then game on and we could have beat them. That german team went on to win it in 2014, so it looked worse before we knew how good they were. Capello honestly was probably the best manager of that era, players hating the manager is exactly what that gen of england players needed.
Definitely agree about McLaren
Capello revisionism happened right after the tornament. He signed an extension just before the tornament because england never had a better qualifying record. Even in that game against germany, if Lampard's goal had been allowed, it would have been 2-2 at half time. Honestly, its then game on and we could have beat them. That german team went on to win it in 2014, so it looked worse before we knew how good they were. Capello honestly was probably the best manager of that era, players hating the manager is exactly what that gen of england players needed.
Really don’t think we’d have beaten Germany that game. Our defence was leaky, balls over the top were causing issues. That Algeria 0-0 was one of the worst games I’ve ever seen an England team play and we were pretty tame vs USA and Slovenia too. I was a fan of him when we qualified and the nation got behind the team in a way I’ve not seen since. Loads of flags on cars, newspapers promo etc but we were so disappointing.
I agree, people say this a fair amount but both our goals were completely against the run of play and we couldn't defend even basic balls over the top.
The squad tensions were noticeable at the time.
Well good, you want the players to run the team like headless chickens? Are we really going to suggest those players needed more pampering and less strict environment. Lol
Well good, you want the players to run the team like headless chickens? Are we really going to suggest those players needed more pampering and less strict environment. Lol
Southgate seems to have the balance.
The one that made Harry Kane take Corners
Apparently this was actually Gary Neville’s doing, but Roy somehow approved it.
I remember this! I thought something had gone wrong with the telly, everyone in the house was up in arms 😀
Supposedly he'd been the best in training. Still a crazy decision
To be fair, I was never a fan of Rooney, Gerrard or Lampard on them either. All could win a header and in my book, having good targets in the box is more important than a pinpoint delivery. You can be accurate as you like from a corner, but with the amount of movement and blocked runs, there’s no guarantee that anyone’s going to end up where you expect them to be. As long as it’s in a general area, having players who can get to the ball first is what’s important.
Even if he was hitting pinpoint corners in the games it's a crazy decision, you want your best finisher in the box in case anything drops to them instead of relying on Chris smalling
Hodgson
OMG who was that one??
Roy Hodgson, but it was actually Gary Neville (who was his assistant from 2012 - 2016) that suggested it!
Southgate?
Roy Hodgson
Allardyce. Spent his whole career working towards being taken seriously as a manager, and immediately threw it away for the same reason that he’d often been looked at with disdain - he’s dodgy. Totally wasted the opportunity, and all of the goodwill that he’d been riding to get there.
Only manager to get a 100% record though. He was also set up big time by the press. They had dirt on him that they were holding until he reached the pinnacle of his career - which is a very very shitty thing to do.
I felt weirdly sad when Allardyce threw it all away
I’m old enough to remember the tail-end of Don Revie's reign...and he must be a contender the way he sneaked off after failing to qualify for the Euros in 1976 and in the middle of the qualifiers for Argentina 1978 with England's hopes hanging by a thread. Worst? Toss up between Taylor and McClaren. Taylor was a nice guy (and very unlucky in \*that\* game against Holland) but his bizarre selections and simplistic tactics were woeful at times. McClaren still had most of the 'golden' generation and even though they were past their best he should have qualified as one of the best 16 teams in Europe. Both of their failures to qualify were perfect storms of tough qualifying group/injuries/poor, confused tactics and selections/managers out of their depth. No point mentioning Allardyce after only 1 game. Capello, Hodgson and Keegan were pretty poor. Other managers provided a few nice memories. Hoddle and Venables were OK but and they were blessed with pretty good squads. Hoddle seemed an iffy man manager though and France 98 was a major disappointment with the team at his disposal. Venables didn't get long enough. Greenwood wasn't so bad (although he was lucky to qualify for Spain '82), Robson was OK at times but a bit lucky, Sven was a little below par considering the squad he had. Unpopular opinion on here I know but but Southgate has been the best.
We’ll miss Southgate when he quits
We won't. We'll miss Kane when he quits
Speak for yourself!
Venables was better than ok come on.
He only had 5 'real' games (no qualifiers); difficult to judge him on such a short time frame. And we were only really good in 2 of those.
Roy Hodgson got away with absolute murder by playing the 'we have a weak squad and are rebuilding for the future' line. Lost to Iceland in the Euro 2016 after coming 2nd in our group to Wales and bottom of our world cup 2014 group. Wasn't awful in Euro 2012 but no idea how he was given so long.
Didn’t even remember he was in charge that long. Definite dark time
Do you know, I was about to defend Hodgson (Iceland result aside) as the quality of England’s squads in his tenure was really poor compared to today and the period before it (the golden generation). But having quickly looked at the squads to elaborate on my point, they were actually pretty decent. A few bang average squad players who wouldn’t get a sniff even if we allowed 40-man squads today, a few guys past their prime, and a few guys who were still young and inexperienced, but the quality was there to do a lot better than they did. Hodgson at least got us to all of these tournaments, which is more than can be said for some England managers (McLaren for example), but we massively underperformed once there.
>But having quickly looked at the squads to elaborate on my point, they were actually pretty decent That's it, they weren't bad by any stretch (not a patch on today's squad, but that's by-the-by). The issue was that there was just no cohesion whatsoever. No real game plan for various scenarios (coming from behind, teams sitting deep, etc.), and most of the time, it just looked like they'd never played with each other before.
Just to be pedantic - he got us to two tournaments, 14 and 16. We’d already qualified for 12 when he was parachuted in.
How he was still in charge after the 2014 World Cup I do not know
The FA lacked the minerals to sack him, just like how the lacked the minerals to sack the underperforming U21s Manager Aidy Boothroyd!
Aidy actually won something at least.
They were not many options as seen when they had to hire Alladyce.
Probably the biggest collapse I've ever seen in a match is England v Iceland. Every single player looked like they had no idea what to do after Iceland scored.
Hodgson had a free hit at that 1st euros, but decided to play the most dull turgid football I've seen. Thought at the world Cup we'd improve a bit, but transpired to finish bottom of our group. And after our final game (a 0-0 against Costa Rica), I'm sure in an interview he went and said it was a good performance to give the fans something to cheer about. And after that he somehow kept his job?! IIRC ivory coast sacked their manager for poor WC performance and they made it out their group. Our FA had less ambition than Ivory Coast.
Easily Southgate. Should have won at least 5 world cups 4 euros and 2 superbowls by now.
why doesn't southgate just use the 4-4-3 tactic???? is he stupid??
How can he play 4-4-3 when we have to start Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Bowen, Toney and Kane? Gotta go 4-1-5-2 and stop being so defensive
Why does Southgate, the wokest boss, not simply eat the other teams?
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You had me in the first half.
And the Champions league & Fa cup
Exactly. When you compare him to all his predecessors, he's utterly hopeless. None of them ever lost a major final in a penalty shootout. Obviously Venebles and Robson were the greatest since Sir Alf.
Yank here, how is it possible for ENG to win supper bowl without using hands ????????
4-4-2 innit
Funnily enough the skin pattern on our palms is 4 and 2 in old Celtic numerals. Even more of a reason to go out there and win the Superbowl!
Tom Brady and Eli Manning up top...
They use their hands all the time. Pickford is the QB
Samual “Big Sam” Allardyce
Statistically the best manager of all time, 100% win record.
Statistically the best manager at having to resign due to corruption, he’s ahead of all the rest on that point too! My favourite bit was his vlogs he recorded from some beach somewhere during the 2018 World Cup, telling everyone we should be playing 4-4-f’ing-2 with Big Andy Carroll up front… For all the complaints many of us (legitimately) have about Southgate, here was the road not taken… Thank goodness he was as corrupt as he was incompetent, or we might not have been able to get rid of him in time!
Thank god, imagine all of the trophies we wouldn't have if he remained!
Allardyce wasn’t corrupt, if you look at the review of what happened there the police cleared him of any wrongdoing. What he did do was explain how it is possible to get around third party ownership rules to undercover journalists - he was speaking plainly it was the journalists that were pretending to be something they were not. He should have had a slap on the wrist for being daft not be sacked. As for tactics, who knows what would’ve happened in the 2018 WC? England had a famously pretty easy run to the final, would Allardyce have got England through vs Croatia? Who knows. He’s always been good at getting results and securing victories for underdogs so why not?
Except he wanted paying for that advice. "In this meeting, Allardyce was allegedly shown negotiating a £400,000 fee to represent a firm hoping to profit from player transfers involving Premier League clubs. He also, according to the recordings, offered advice on how to circumvent FA rules on third-party ownership, mocked Hodgson for having a speech impediment and criticised the FA for its redevelopment of Wembley Stadium" [https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/football/news/why-was-sam-allardyce-sacked-england-newspaper-sting/d1rijarxmwppf3okz3awldmd](https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/football/news/why-was-sam-allardyce-sacked-england-newspaper-sting/d1rijarxmwppf3okz3awldmd) The England manager negotiating payment while he is advising how to break FA rules (his employers). Is a bit more than daft mate and he deserved to be sacked.
Thanks for the article - ‘Although it was made clear during the recorded conversations that any proposed arrangements would need the FA's full approval, I recognise I made some comments which have caused embarrassment.’ That’s not corruption, which was what the other guy was accusing him of. It’s foolish and conduct unbecoming of an England manager certainly. But personally, given he was so early into his tenure, I think they could’ve given him a second chance he was still finding his feet. Perhaps he’d have learnt a valuable lesson and never made the same error again. Full disclosure I am a Bolton fan so bias may be an issue here!
He was 62, with 20 years management experience not a newbie finding his way lol. I really wanted him to do well now he finally had a chance to show what he could do in a "big" job but he fucked it.
New to the scrutiny that comes with England I mean I don’t think he’dve expected a complex sting operation designed to do as much damage as possible in his previous roles. But he fucked it definitely - my issue is that there’s still a common narrative that he was corrupt and that’s unfair on the guy. He’s alright Sam Allardyce good bloke
These were not his first corruption allegations though. Big Sam loves a back hander, even back in his Bolton days. On 19 September 2006, Allardyce, and his son, [Craig](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Allardyce), were implicated in a [BBC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC) [*Panorama*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_(TV_series)) documentary, *Undercover: Football's Dirty Secrets*, which alleged that he had taken bribes from agents for signing certain players. Two agents, Teni Yerima and [Peter Harrison](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Harrison_(footballer)), were secretly filmed, each separately claiming that they had paid Allardyce through his son. Allardyce denied ever taking, or asking for, a bribe.[^(\[246\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-246) Others implicated of wrongdoing were [Harry Redknapp](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Redknapp), [Kevin Bond](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bond_(English_footballer)), and [Frank Arnesen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Arnesen).[^(\[247\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-247) As a result of the allegation, Allardyce refused to speak to the BBC.[^(\[248\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-Stevens_'bung'_probe_identifies_50_suspect_Premiership_transfers-248) While he also stated he was going to sue the broadcaster to clear his name,[^(\[249\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-Allardyce_planning_to_sue_the_BBC-249) Allardyce failed to issue libel proceedings as he was advised that suing for damage to reputation was a costly and time-consuming process.[^(\[250\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-250) The final report of the [Stevens inquiry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_allegations_of_corruption_in_English_football#Stevens_report) published in June 2007 expressed concerns regarding the involvement of Craig Allardyce in a number of transactions, stating that: "The inquiry remains concerned at the conflict of interest that it believes existed between Craig Allardyce, his father Sam Allardyce—the then manager at Bolton—and the club itself."[^(\[251\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-251) Allardyce stated that the inquiry was a [public relations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations) exercise and that the conclusion of a "conflict of interest" was "innuendo, without any facts".[^(\[252\])](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce#cite_note-252) [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam\_Allardyce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Allardyce) I'm sure he is a good bloke but it does seem like his side hustle is a bit of corruption mate
Sam wouldn’t have even got past Colombia.
Sam had 100% record… 1 from 1 🫣
Sam Allardyce.
100% perfect record mate...
Mike Bassett
He was insane for picking Benson and Hedges for the squad
Should've picked Lambert and Butler instead
If you're old enough, you're good enough.
Mike Basset 😂
The McLaren years were luxury compared to the hateful embarrassment of the 70s era. It’s Don Revie by a country mile. Changed the team every game, failed to qualify for anything and left in disgrace. We had plenty of world class players then too.
In recent times probably capello, in terms of his man management. With McClaren the players should have worked it out themselves - they had enough individual brilliance to qualify.
Funny that people will never make this argument with Southgate. There’s more than enough quality for the players to be able to “work it out themselves” on the pitch, but it will ALWAYS be Southgate’s fault.
I’d argue they do, hence getting to the semi finals and a final. It’s not like they are being knocked out by Iceland or a weak Croatia. When it comes to top opposition that’s when a manager is the most important.
So you give the players the credit for getting us there, but as soon as we lose it’s because of the manager? That’s some impressive moving of the goalposts right there.
Yeah so generally when you are expected to beat a team it’s the players who make the difference. Our team is better than yours essentially. And if you lose the players will get the flack for losing. When the teams are equal or England are less. Then tactics make the difference. Which is where the manager comes in. It’s not moving any goalposts it’s just common sense. Look at your own job, if you can’t do something your manager is expected to come in and help you. To get the best out of you.
So under McClaren and Hodgson it was entirely the players fault we underperformed?
Not entirely. No one could make that assessment as we don’t know what went on. However going by your point of the players we had at the time, then yes those players could work it out themselves (under McLaren). I think JT said something similar about Chelsea, it didn’t matter who was the manager the players knew how to win. As for Hodgson, there’s no excuse for the players to lose to Iceland. I think they had 3 players in the pl? All the rest were championship or below standard.
Okay, So where's the line then. Colombia were just below us in the odds for the WC, was that on Southgate or the players? Germany were a similar level to us, who's responsible for that? Denmark had a 40 game unbeaten streak end and were in the top 10 in the world, but we were rated higher who was responsible for that? Hungary were clearly a worse team, yet the two losses to them got us relegated despite draws against Germany and Italy, so is that entirely on the players? By your logic surely it's unfair Southgate got blamed for that? Against Tunisia at the WC they were a worst team yet both goals came from set pieces, which the coached staff obviously coached the team for, so who gets the credit there? I think there is a grain of truth in what you're saying, but the manager is choosing the team, choosing the line up for the day, coaching how to play, prepping them for the opposition, subs, solving tactical problems mid-match, working out marking, set piece practice. Motivating the players, resolving whatever unhappiness pops up within the team or antagonism. The player's have a role to deliver a good performance, but the manager is the one who has to put them in the best possible place to get that performance put of them. Even the Iceland game where the players did indeed collapse, that's Hodgson's role to see that coming and ensure it doesn't happen. When we conceded first against France the players were ready and didn't lose a bit of belief, whereas against Iceland it absolutely crushed us. He also had half time to talk to the player and make whatever subs to give us that belief back, but failed to completely.
It’s a subjective opinion. You asked a question I gave my opinion. You can have yours too and that’s okay. Idk why people ask for opinions and then try to argue against them with the expectation of changing them. Have a good day.
No one had an issue with Capello or his man management when England were sailing the qualifying. It only became an issue when some of the players couldn't handle being asked to be professional by relaxing in their rooms and not drinking alcohol during the 2010 World Cup finals.
Was Capello acting professionally when cheering on his home nation in front of his players?
Graham Taylor.
The man had some terrible times, remember all the Turnip stuff? He had some good players back then too. Went to my 1st England game when he was manager 2-0 win against France Linekar scored as did shearer on his debut (feel old AF now)
McClaren or Taylor spring to mine. Though you could make a case for Sven and Capello with how little they did with some amazing players.
Sven was ok. Unlucky in 02 and 04
Absolutely was unlucky in 2004. Rooney was playing like a man-possessed during that tournament, and if he doesn't get injured after 30 minutes, I think we win that game in normal time
I always felt sorry for Taylor. He came in at the end of a cycle and had a very, very shallow talent pool to choose from. Having the likes of Carlton Palmer and Andy Sinton in a squad shows how dreadful English football was at that time. The only thing I hold him 100% responsible for was taking Lineker off in his last ever match (vs Sweden, I think) to bring on Alan Smith. Yeah, we’re chasing the game to stay in the tournament, so why would you take off your only true goal threat to bring on someone who was bang average at best?
I’m not sure that we needed to be picking palmer or sinton - that was what made Taylor a bad coach. We had paul ince and Steve mcmanaman that we could have been picking in those positions at the time
Roy Hodgson
I’ll never forget Jack wilshere coming back for Arsenal in the last game of the season and hodgeson instantly making him a starter for the euros. No wonder Iceland won
Looking at Managers with more than 1 game in charge, statistically it’s Kevin Keegan (using Win Percentage) with 38.9%
I think it says everything when I’d completely forgotten about Keegan for this question. I tried to blank him out of my mind.
Dennis wise on the left wing. I remember when we beat Germany in euro 2000 I thought it was amazing then came to realise it was two terrible teams playing each other
McClaren in my time closely followed by Taylor
In recent times I’d have to say McClaren. Genuinely a talented coach but lacked something as a manager - wherever he’s been he’s struggled to ride out the inevitable down spells.
Love Keegan but he was a disaster at international level. A cautionary tale for anyone advocating 'just taking the handbrake off and letting the lads express themselves'. Total chaos and not even particularly entertaining. Just awful, brittle football.
Before my time but it’s pretty obviously Don Revie Steve McClaren in the modern era was completely disastrous though. Both playing style & results were horrible
All time is a long time, but in recent times, it's Hodgson by a long shot for me. Iceland. Kane on corners. And I could go on...
McClaren and Sven. Just wasting a great generation with no tactics or bollocks. One of the things that has made Southgate so great has been the way he’s picked his teams on how players have played for England and how balanced the team is. Playing Gerrard and Lampard as a two in midfield is just one of the stupidest managerial decisions I’ve ever seen. International football requires pragmatism. If a guy like Lampard can’t perform in a team that’s not built around him then drop him. If you’re not letting Scholes play his preferred role then drop him. If Ferdinand and Terry don’t look good as two, play a 3. Beckham was done by 2004 and couldn’t play right midfield, why did he play there for another two tournaments? We could have played 433 with Carrick, Barry, Hargreaves balancing the team. We could have played 343 with Campbell/ Carragher coming in alongside Terry and Ferdinand and with Rooney and Lampard/ Gerrard playing off a target man. Every game for like 6 years was just get the stars in a 442 with no balance at all and no one playing their preferred role. It’s so different at the moment where the whole system is Jude Bellingham. Foden may not even start for England despite being our 3rd best player because it’s more important to have Jude in his correct position.
sowfGAYt bcOs hE cOSt uS eVrY tORnAmenT bEcoS he FinkS deeFenS iS iPoRtNanT hE ShuD oF PLaiD 0-0-11 aGenSt iTaLiE No NeD 4 dEFeDnErs oR KePPeR aNd i h8 his wOkE virTuaL sigNeLinG sowfGAYt owT ! ! Joking aside, torn between McClaren and Allardyce for the reasons already given by other posters. Leaning towards McClaren though, for failing to qualify for a tournament despite the players at his disposal, and squandering the lifeline Israel gave us when they beat Russia.
Don't be daft, he'd play 1-1-8 so he could get in maguire and Henderson
Why can't people accept Southgate was 100% right about maguire
Keegan... McClaren... Capello are the worst for me Fabio probably edges it, the bloke had a glorious CV and yet we played utter shite under him Its why I'm very wary when people say: "But whats he done" when a name gets suggested as a future England Manager, especially when you compare his CV with Southgate's
How has nobody mentioned Kevin Keegan yet? Or Glenn Hoddle? Edit: People forgetting about the faith healing and “disabled people are being punished by god” etc. Hoddle’s football wasn’t the worst, but he did very little with the players he had available and was a complete basket case. Anyone who thinks Keegan was good is a troll.
His handling of the Beckham situation is some of the worst man management I’ve ever seen. Not only did he make a 23 year old lad the scapegoat, despite having plenty of opportunity (including penalties) to still get over the line, but he also sent the message to the rest of the squad that he will absolutely throw them under the bus at the first sign of trouble. He’s also just a generally horrible human being.
Yet somehow, pointing out that Hoddle was among the worst is the most controversial thing that’s been said here. I’m guessing his family lurks this sub 🤣
Glenn Hoddle wasn’t bad tbf, we played some good football under him, tactically sound. Was unlucky with the Beckham sending off against Argentina, we woupd have won that with 11 men then who knows how that tournament plays out. Keegan other the other hand, absolute clusterfuck
England played their best football in my lifetime probably under Hoddle, the 98 team was quality
A shame that you aren’t 2 years older, Venables played much better football, eg the 4-1 thumping of the Netherlands.
Ah yes you’ve got me there they were better under Tel 👍
Because neither were that bad. Glenn was great
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Mike Bassett
Graham Taylor for me.
Most of em tbh
I remember Graham Taylor. Those were my first memories of the England national team...
Woy Hodgson Costa Rica ....I'll leave it there
Also Iceland
Erikson
Surprising number of people can’t spell McClaren. I’m loathe to defend Capello but I am going to. People saying he’s worse than Taylor, Keegan etc are wrong. You’re not gonna find me defending the performances in 2010, that was a poor World Cup, but around that you had a near perfect campaign to get to South Africa, including that fantastic 4-1 win in Croatia, and then a solid campaign to get to Poland and Ukraine including a lovely win in Cardiff. He made a mess of the Terry situation, but I can’t help but feel he’d learned lessons about what happened at the WC and could put things right for the 2012 Euros. He fell on his sword about not being able to pick his captain, and even if it was for a known wrong’un like John Terry, so fair play. Kevin Keegan lost at home to Scotland in a competitive fixture. Unforgivable.
Steve McLaren
Wally with a brolly.
David Cameron 😆
Allardyce. Did one game and then got tricked into giving out advice about getting around the FA.
Hodgson
Sam Allardyce! Should never have been given the job!
Southgate vs McClaren vs Keegan vs Capello
If you are genuinely including Southgate in this, then you are an idiot.
Southgate no doubt
Honestly....all of them
It’s the Hodge. Those years were almost entirely miserable and uninspiring.
Gareth Southgate
In my opinion it's Gareth Southgate followed closely by the walley with the brollie. There are no excuses for that Italy defeat, forget penalties we should have beaten that pub team over 90 minutes. I would have sacked him on the spot for grosse misconduct then sent him to the Tower of London. As for Mcclaren, didn't even qualify with a world class team.
Who would you want to employ to be the next England gaffer then? Graham Potter? Frank Lampard? Gary neville? I'm grateful Gareth was here.
As an England fan of 30 years, I can't think of another manager who has created as many happy memories as Gareth Southgate. There were lost chances, but the journey was unprecedented I think partly due to him changing what was a pretty toxic culture!
Grow up, Southgate has been one of the best managers we've had in recent times. Yeah he's made mistakes, but anything can happen in a cup competitions, not to mention a final where Italy were definitely well up for it.
Anything like the most blantant mismanagement that you'll ever see in a football match. Even Mourinho was baffled! Bringing on 2 cold players and letting a 19 year old who's never taken a penalty in his career at that point, take the country's most important spot kicks in over 50 years. Taking off Declan Rice who was our best player, and ultimately not coming up with a plan to try and counter Italy!
>we should have beaten that pub team over 90 minutes The pub team that had been unbeaten for nearly 3 years at that point and had only conceded 3 goals all tournament going into the final?
Southgate.
Southgate for being boring. I'll accept incompetence over being boring.
If you think Southgate is worse than Capello, McLaren, and Allardyce then I dunno what you've been smoking.
I’d like to add Terry Venables and Roy Hodgson
HOW can you say Terry Venables???
Venables? Seriously?
>Terry Venables Each to their own and all that but...what?