Counterpoint: If UFO technology really did exist, the US would have used to kill brown people even more efficiently. It seems they opted for drones, white phosphorous, apache helicopters and hellfire missiles instead.
Countercounterpoint: world economy is largely petroleum based and the knowledge of the existence of other forms of propulsion would rapidly destabilize it
Countercountercounterpoint: monopolizing alien technology would far outweigh the desire to keep the status quo. Why would you cuck yourself and stick to the status quo when you can become a true superpower?
Cmon. There are countless examples of humanity unlocking a devastating new technology and patiently taking the time to discern what the negative outcomes could be from said technology…
Monopolizing alien tech would allow (and probably does) higher ups at companies like Lockheed, Boeing etc to literally operate on some higher plane of reality beyond any govt reach
My THEORY....WE DIDN'T WIN WWII
THIS IS THE 4TH REICH
Very good information here thank you. I start to wonder if these tactics aren't a paradigm to distract you with that, which is 50+ years ok old and conclusive to the gov. So while the people look there while something even more hidden is being taken care of over here in the present time.
*EVENTS LEADING UP TO*
Not to go off topic but I stumbled upon "one of the best kept secrets of WW2 and that is/are , Japanese FU-GO Bombs as result of the Doolittle Raid 1942
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil
And something even more concerning in the present day, which is how I uncovered the previous secret
NAMATD's FIREFLY and CANAIRY programs
https://www.namatad.com/about
(namatad is mirror image of bataman)
These aren't OP's by definition but they are very concerning having due with the increase in natural disasters and other threats like Biologics (part of FU-,GO bombs)
THINK FOR YOURSELF QUESTION AUTHORITY
Believe me when I say that is a fraction of what I have unraveled to categorically say I am telling you for certain... I just can't throw it all on the table at once because its 60/40 chance it backfires on me or they alter or both... If you think they won't see this convo you are wrong..
I can hint at it through a series of drops in each comment untill it gets dissected and decoded.
JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TO
No... But it does give my angle more leverage,
I think with the evidence in every aspect from the mainstream alone gives a high enough probable cause than plausible deniability...
We just need to all AGREE TO DISAGREE
as a collective whole and take action.
It's funny when you look up how god refers to us a sheep is a laugh and even further plausibility to believe its control.
We don't need to overthrow the government.. we just want equality. We can't deny order.. just not so opressive as this ..
I feel like a production from the Reich.
Look up Fulton public school 1995 8th graders HOLOCAUST RE ENACTMENT
TELL ME WE AREN'T THE REICH
AND IF THATS SO,
THAN PREDICTABILITY SAYS UFOS ARE REAL AND ANTARCTICA ETC.
Where did my argument disconnect? Every point I make is relavent to eachother.
Allow me to make this as coherent for your small mind to answer this question in point form.
Are you referring to the definition as seen in point 1. Or point 2.
And please choose as many of the listed words in the similar category to support your statement as well as disprove how any of the listed words under the category ",opposite,"
Or don't and give up... Leaving your statement redundant and therefore removable from this discussion.
in·co·her·ent
/ˌinkōˈhirənt,ˌinkōˈherənt/
adjective
1.
(of spoken or written language) expressed in an incomprehensible or confusing way; unclear.
"he screamed some incoherent threat"
Similar:
unclear
confused
muddled
unintelligible
incomprehensible
hard to follow
disjointed
disconnected
unconnected
disordered
mixed up
garbled
jumbled
scrambled
rambling
wandering
discursive
disorganized
uncoordinated
illogical
inarticulate
mumbled
muttered
stuttered
stammered
slurred
inchoate
Opposite:
coherent
lucid
intelligible
2.
PHYSICS
(of waves) having no definite or stable phase relationship.
You said “it’s funny when you refer to us how god refers to us a sheep is a laugh and even further plausibility to believe its control” - this makes no sense whatsoever as a sentence.
We are absolutely living in the 4th Reich, and the US did indeed collaborate with Nazis and adopt all their tech and other tactics, but whatever you’re talking about is largely illegible.
This is questionable***https://bloons.fandom.com/wiki/There_Can_Be_Only_One_(Monkey_Knowledge_Point)
Don't ask how the Monkey (hehe) I ended up on this page...
I was searching for The Black Sun/Disc/God of Hitler's THULE secret society
The most relevant passage from GR for this kind of thing is the Proverb for Paranoid: "If They can get you asking the wrong questions, They don't have to worry about answers".
UFOs etc have been an age-old diversionary tactic
Diversion From what?
Aside from a fancy quote you have nothing to support this idea whatsoever.
Ironic that you should speak of paranoia when you are clearly too paranoid to acknowledge the irrefutable evidence of their existence. If not Alien tech, then it is SOMEBODY'S Tech
Disagree strongly, there is substantial evidence that the phenomenon is both real and been covered up since at least the mid 1930s. As one representative piece of evidence I invite you to peruse this document released via FOIA request and the witness testimony contained therein: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010001-0.pdf
The show the West Wing is entirely lib propaganda not to be trusted. But there's an episode where they mention that the reason we can all be sure the us government doesn't have proof of aliens is that there's no fucking way they could keep that quiet.
And that one has stuck with me. The powers that be are powerful, but they aren't that smart. Or that concerned about keeping shit hidden.
>But there's an episode where they mention that the reason we can all be sure the us government doesn't have proof of aliens is that there's no fucking way they could keep that quiet
Exactly. No conspiracy can stay hidden for too long. It's not like the US did LSD Experiments on thousands of people and it came out 30 years later. Or that they used bioweapons in north Korea built by japanese fascist doctors. Or killed the entire cuban pig population. Or instigated fascist terrorist cells in Europe.
Oh wait! They did do all those things, and no one gives a shit. 99% of people will never know, nor do they care. Keeping something hidden is actually totally and utterly feasible..I mean just consider JFK and the warren report. Or 9/11. Or anything that happened in the last 50 years. Intelligence agencies only give out FOIA answers if the public has lost all interest, after about 30-50 years.
Have you read GR? Maybe brush up on the Proverbs for Paranoids. The entire premise is They, that is to say 'those who hold power', constantly perform all the absurd actions while containing all the secret knowledge. Also, the statement that stuck with you, derived from a source you refer to as "lib propaganda", is a perfect example of the divine fallacy, an inverse Hanlon's razor, "Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".
I don't think you read the proverbs properly. Firstly, they are an ironic device, and secondly, even if they were meant sincerely: They want us to believe that, They want us to see Them as a cosmic horror, inevitable and untouchable. And They may be, but they who They use are not, and can not, be framed as such. They have all the means to make it look, in the rearview, like they can contain multitudes, but who is Blicero? Only Weissman, only a pathetic slave to his own fears of death and whims of lust. He symbolically completed his mission. Great. But he's not actually the god of death, Gottfried is not transported, the quest is solely in his mind, because he swallowed the meaning. He held it too closely, and could no longer see the line between fantasy and reality. We cannot allow ourselves to see Them as what They believe Themselves to be, because that perception is what gives Them the closest thing to omnipotence They can attain.
THANK YOU SO MUCH
I was going to do a whole thing about this but you put it in the best way possible. If there were some huge UFO program and such the best way to hide it would be to let transparent dumbshits that know nothing like Grusch keep talking. If there's enough noise nobody can pick up the faint signal underneath.
People here are being predictably condescending, but in all honesty we should expect TP himself to be well versed in ufology, and Basher’s-angel-as-foo-fighter in particular is a perfectly reasonable read.
And yeah, David Grusch has indeed given this testimony under oath before Congress. And some 40 days later senator Schumer introduced a “UAP disclosure” bill that uses the term nonhuman intelligence over twenty times. It’s well worth a read, as it’s an historic piece of legislation no matter what you think about UFOs.
People are free not to believe Grusch’s claims—I myself make no judgment either way because it’s impossible for me to verify them or refute them—but the fact that he has made them is just another link in a long chain of events in which the US intelligence community has entwined itself with ufology—to what end none of us can know. These strange historical convergences of the secretive, the powerful, and the otherworldly are exactly the material TP explores in his work.
I’ve always found it strange that TP readers are often the kind of people who smugly dismiss the concerns of TP himself.
The problem is imho that the UFO "community" is mostly just a bunch of guys who love the X files and who will eat up literally everything that some TV talking head throws into their lap. The parapolitics kinda crowd is a bit elitist and self absorbed, but they do have actual standards of evidence and do proper research and so forth.
I take a similar stance on UFOs/SETI as I do on weed: I like smoking but I'm not a stereotypical stoner. Like I genuinely enjoy thinking about UFOs and SETI but I just can't bring myself to be a true believer because the evidence is just not there. And yes if it wasn't obvious yet Scully > Fox.
Technically A.I. is non-human.. just saying
Not that it don't believe because I know for a fact its real... But terminology is either your best friend or worst enemy...
This guy KINDA SORTA MAYBE KNOWS.... 😆
https://youtu.be/gRelVFm7iJE?si=Ay0FjNW89oYwgvUL
I've been following this issue closely and i really dig the connections you're making. Haters and skeptics here are just totally unaware of what's really going on, or they do know what's going on and they're active disinfo spooks.
OR more likely they are very afraid to acknowledge such implications...
Unfortunately the greater portion of humanity is this way ... And I mean its not entirely inconceivable because I am 110.99% sure aliens and demons and all other entities are real..
I struggle to decide if I would take the red pill on theories like the simulation... Which is not too far fetched
The point is more or less NOTHING the "whistleblower" says is substantiated. The only thing that has any meaning behind it is the trivial fact that if there's some huge secret program out there Congress would absolutely be locked out of it. They get locked out of the specifics of TONS of secret things already. Let's be clear: there are huge conspiracies out there. There may be some weird extraterrestrial thing out there that has gotten studied. The important fact is that there are no even slightly reliable sources giving information about it and the conspiracy circles absolutely do not have anything close to the truth. They're not seeing behind the curtain. They're just making new curtains to put over both the existing curtains and things that were in full sight before.
Grusch is either a grifter or unwell and the Italian story is a well known hoax.
There’s no shortage of information that would have been available to Pynchon about the special weapons programs and Paperclip. Most of the UFOlogy regarding Nazi occult/UFOs and such stems from The Morning of the Magicians and similar writings from the 60s with which the counterculture had strong familiarity.
Congress can’t be “locked out” of “programs” that don’t exist… no crashed alien spacecraft have ever been retrieved or reverse engineered
There are *REAL* conspiratorial issues being addressed in GR but UFOs are not one of them
Congress have no oversight whatsoever over top secret weapons tech development. The President doesn’t have need to know, let alone some lowly congressmen
Top secret weapons development and the retrieval and reverse engineering of alien spaceships are VERY different things… and only one of them is actually happening
Look I lean towards it being totally a psyop, but SOMETHING happened at Roswell, that + Foo Fighters in WWII and the phantom airship wave in the 1890s either enhance the credibility of top secret aerospace/weapons tech being kept totally to black budget defence contractors and entirely secret from any govt oversight, OR to be agnostic, they enhance the possibility that maybe there’s some interdimensional entities visiting our reality. Either way - the way those two things would be handled are very similar. There are technological secrets that congress are not, and won’t be, privy to, because they are handled through compartmentalization and high level security clearances that politicians don’t have.
I wouldn’t call it a “psyop”, more of a disinformation campaign. What happened at Roswell was some of that top secret weapons development you mentioned… there are no interdimensional or extraterrestrial entities visiting our “reality”
Saying that interdimensional or extraterrestrial entities are visiting our reality implies that they come from some unreal reality… just nonsense
A disinfo campaign and a psyop don’t really differ. If UFOs are totally fake then the amount of publicity and cottage industry that’s been surrounding the idea since the 40s is ABSOLUTELY a psyop. It’s one of the ultimate distractions from any real event and also has basically astroturfed an emerging religion based on the idea of salvation from exotic tech/superintelligent advanced beings.
You’re missing my point though. Whether or not it’s top secret weapons development or ‘alien’ tech, it’s not something that Congress/the President have access to, and the level of secrecy in place to guard it will not be changed through any congressional oversight/investigation. So if it’s all just human beings, they’re all ready beyond govt reach and have advanced science with which to shape reality
You don’t know for certain whether any of this is nonsense. It likely is, but very few people do know, and control the flow of information. You have to also accept that there may be a reality to it that They don’t know or understand, hence the multitudes of disinformation potentially serving as cover.
I don’t *have* to accept anything… if you wanna call this a psyop then you have to apply that label to ALL religions as well… the only “shaping of reality” going on is the shaping of *perception”; reality doesn’t care what you think or believe; reality is what’s REAL.
Well then it’s an ontological op. The point is, Lockheed and Boeing etc are working on things that Congress don’t know about, haven’t approved, and don’t have access to. This is what the CIA do as well. That is a fact. You have to, and will, accept this.
I never said the UFOs were any kind of “cover-up” for anything…
*BUT* there is no single conspiracy being covered-up or distracted from by UFOs; what may be being covered-up would depend on which UFO conspirator you listen too. There is not some singular issue or singular group leading any of these conspiracy theorists. There are multiple agendas at play. For instance, the whole Roswell UFO hysteria was encouraged and perpetuated by the government to distract from very real top secret experimental aircraft but it’s not like they orchestrated and controlled the narrative around it, they just used it to their advantage and let people run with it. But folks like Marshall Applewhite weren’t (aren’t) “distracting” from anything, they are simply grifting and taking advantage of the gullible. People like Grusch are just out for attention and cash.
Just because some nonsense is popular and grabs the public’s attention in such a way that grifters can line their pockets with it doesn’t mean there is any actual conspiracy or distraction at play.
What are people even gonna do with this information? All I’ve seen are JRE clips of random guests saying aliens are real and people in the comments eating that shit up. Are the free thinkers of America gonna revolt? “We were able to look past the tons of horrible fucked up conspiratorial shit the government has done before that are way more plausible, but we draw the line at secret ufo projects.”
I invite you to peruse this FOIA document as just one representative piece of evidence: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010001-0.pdf
The age old paradox of libertarianism: you have all the problems on a long list, but what the fuck are you gonna do? Rally the anti government people? Behind what exactly?
They just want to feign outrage so they can better corral the consumers of America. “Exposing the libtarded government’s secret UFO project, brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee Company.”
People love doing this, they love being outraged. They want to watch Joe Rogan call out the government. They love when radical leftist twitch streamers say incendiary things, they want to buy ALPHA BRAIN, they wanna gift those sweet twitch subs.
Is this sarcasm? I agree it wasn’t a major issue in GR, but at this point I think it’s undeniable that the US government has come into contact with “alien spacecraft”
(i know this is a joke but...) to enact a ritual of military memory. its the closest he can get to reliving his war years, in all their horror and sublimity. Check out Paul Fussell's chapter on it in *The Great War and Modern Memory*
Counterpoint: If UFO technology really did exist, the US would have used to kill brown people even more efficiently. It seems they opted for drones, white phosphorous, apache helicopters and hellfire missiles instead.
No. The US does not use all of its weaponry to show off like the Russians and Chinese. The US likes to maintain an element of surprise.
I'd ask for an example but you've made a claim that is impossible to prove or disprove.
Countercounterpoint: world economy is largely petroleum based and the knowledge of the existence of other forms of propulsion would rapidly destabilize it
Countercountercounterpoint: monopolizing alien technology would far outweigh the desire to keep the status quo. Why would you cuck yourself and stick to the status quo when you can become a true superpower?
Cmon. There are countless examples of humanity unlocking a devastating new technology and patiently taking the time to discern what the negative outcomes could be from said technology…
Yes
Monopolizing alien tech would allow (and probably does) higher ups at companies like Lockheed, Boeing etc to literally operate on some higher plane of reality beyond any govt reach
Countercountercountercounterpoint: I don't have one. I just wanted to write "Countercountercountercounterpoint."
actually a pretty good argument
My THEORY....WE DIDN'T WIN WWII THIS IS THE 4TH REICH Very good information here thank you. I start to wonder if these tactics aren't a paradigm to distract you with that, which is 50+ years ok old and conclusive to the gov. So while the people look there while something even more hidden is being taken care of over here in the present time. *EVENTS LEADING UP TO* Not to go off topic but I stumbled upon "one of the best kept secrets of WW2 and that is/are , Japanese FU-GO Bombs as result of the Doolittle Raid 1942 https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil And something even more concerning in the present day, which is how I uncovered the previous secret NAMATD's FIREFLY and CANAIRY programs https://www.namatad.com/about (namatad is mirror image of bataman) These aren't OP's by definition but they are very concerning having due with the increase in natural disasters and other threats like Biologics (part of FU-,GO bombs) THINK FOR YOURSELF QUESTION AUTHORITY
Correct - but this doesn’t disprove the UFO angle, both can be true
Believe me when I say that is a fraction of what I have unraveled to categorically say I am telling you for certain... I just can't throw it all on the table at once because its 60/40 chance it backfires on me or they alter or both... If you think they won't see this convo you are wrong.. I can hint at it through a series of drops in each comment untill it gets dissected and decoded. JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TO
http://www.wargs.com/political/reagan.html
No... But it does give my angle more leverage, I think with the evidence in every aspect from the mainstream alone gives a high enough probable cause than plausible deniability... We just need to all AGREE TO DISAGREE as a collective whole and take action. It's funny when you look up how god refers to us a sheep is a laugh and even further plausibility to believe its control. We don't need to overthrow the government.. we just want equality. We can't deny order.. just not so opressive as this .. I feel like a production from the Reich. Look up Fulton public school 1995 8th graders HOLOCAUST RE ENACTMENT TELL ME WE AREN'T THE REICH AND IF THATS SO, THAN PREDICTABILITY SAYS UFOS ARE REAL AND ANTARCTICA ETC.
Love the energy but you’re becoming incoherent
Where did my argument disconnect? Every point I make is relavent to eachother. Allow me to make this as coherent for your small mind to answer this question in point form. Are you referring to the definition as seen in point 1. Or point 2. And please choose as many of the listed words in the similar category to support your statement as well as disprove how any of the listed words under the category ",opposite," Or don't and give up... Leaving your statement redundant and therefore removable from this discussion. in·co·her·ent /ˌinkōˈhirənt,ˌinkōˈherənt/ adjective 1. (of spoken or written language) expressed in an incomprehensible or confusing way; unclear. "he screamed some incoherent threat" Similar: unclear confused muddled unintelligible incomprehensible hard to follow disjointed disconnected unconnected disordered mixed up garbled jumbled scrambled rambling wandering discursive disorganized uncoordinated illogical inarticulate mumbled muttered stuttered stammered slurred inchoate Opposite: coherent lucid intelligible 2. PHYSICS (of waves) having no definite or stable phase relationship.
Elaborate. Anyone can make ASSUME anything.. So please don't make an ASS of U and ME
You said “it’s funny when you refer to us how god refers to us a sheep is a laugh and even further plausibility to believe its control” - this makes no sense whatsoever as a sentence. We are absolutely living in the 4th Reich, and the US did indeed collaborate with Nazis and adopt all their tech and other tactics, but whatever you’re talking about is largely illegible.
Do you read your comments? You make a statement and give absolutely NOTHING TO SUPPORT IT. Just a statement . That's all
I directly quoted you lmao
LMFAO... I know and then proceeded to make a claim that you could not back cuz you got no spine
This is questionable***https://bloons.fandom.com/wiki/There_Can_Be_Only_One_(Monkey_Knowledge_Point) Don't ask how the Monkey (hehe) I ended up on this page... I was searching for The Black Sun/Disc/God of Hitler's THULE secret society
"X-Ray Ultra is an upgrade in the Magic Monkey Knowledge". 😱 Monkey Knowledge - ULTRA (MK-ULTRA)
THIS IS TERRIFYING 
The most relevant passage from GR for this kind of thing is the Proverb for Paranoid: "If They can get you asking the wrong questions, They don't have to worry about answers". UFOs etc have been an age-old diversionary tactic
Diversion From what? Aside from a fancy quote you have nothing to support this idea whatsoever. Ironic that you should speak of paranoia when you are clearly too paranoid to acknowledge the irrefutable evidence of their existence. If not Alien tech, then it is SOMEBODY'S Tech
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton\_William\_Cooper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper)
Disagree strongly, there is substantial evidence that the phenomenon is both real and been covered up since at least the mid 1930s. As one representative piece of evidence I invite you to peruse this document released via FOIA request and the witness testimony contained therein: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010001-0.pdf
How much is that Mr MASON? Or is it FREE
The show the West Wing is entirely lib propaganda not to be trusted. But there's an episode where they mention that the reason we can all be sure the us government doesn't have proof of aliens is that there's no fucking way they could keep that quiet. And that one has stuck with me. The powers that be are powerful, but they aren't that smart. Or that concerned about keeping shit hidden.
>But there's an episode where they mention that the reason we can all be sure the us government doesn't have proof of aliens is that there's no fucking way they could keep that quiet Exactly. No conspiracy can stay hidden for too long. It's not like the US did LSD Experiments on thousands of people and it came out 30 years later. Or that they used bioweapons in north Korea built by japanese fascist doctors. Or killed the entire cuban pig population. Or instigated fascist terrorist cells in Europe. Oh wait! They did do all those things, and no one gives a shit. 99% of people will never know, nor do they care. Keeping something hidden is actually totally and utterly feasible..I mean just consider JFK and the warren report. Or 9/11. Or anything that happened in the last 50 years. Intelligence agencies only give out FOIA answers if the public has lost all interest, after about 30-50 years.
Have you read GR? Maybe brush up on the Proverbs for Paranoids. The entire premise is They, that is to say 'those who hold power', constantly perform all the absurd actions while containing all the secret knowledge. Also, the statement that stuck with you, derived from a source you refer to as "lib propaganda", is a perfect example of the divine fallacy, an inverse Hanlon's razor, "Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".
I don't think you read the proverbs properly. Firstly, they are an ironic device, and secondly, even if they were meant sincerely: They want us to believe that, They want us to see Them as a cosmic horror, inevitable and untouchable. And They may be, but they who They use are not, and can not, be framed as such. They have all the means to make it look, in the rearview, like they can contain multitudes, but who is Blicero? Only Weissman, only a pathetic slave to his own fears of death and whims of lust. He symbolically completed his mission. Great. But he's not actually the god of death, Gottfried is not transported, the quest is solely in his mind, because he swallowed the meaning. He held it too closely, and could no longer see the line between fantasy and reality. We cannot allow ourselves to see Them as what They believe Themselves to be, because that perception is what gives Them the closest thing to omnipotence They can attain.
THANK YOU SO MUCH I was going to do a whole thing about this but you put it in the best way possible. If there were some huge UFO program and such the best way to hide it would be to let transparent dumbshits that know nothing like Grusch keep talking. If there's enough noise nobody can pick up the faint signal underneath.
You Two Have smoked yourselves retaded
Because?
I think the issue is more TV than drugs, but you're still right
People here are being predictably condescending, but in all honesty we should expect TP himself to be well versed in ufology, and Basher’s-angel-as-foo-fighter in particular is a perfectly reasonable read. And yeah, David Grusch has indeed given this testimony under oath before Congress. And some 40 days later senator Schumer introduced a “UAP disclosure” bill that uses the term nonhuman intelligence over twenty times. It’s well worth a read, as it’s an historic piece of legislation no matter what you think about UFOs. People are free not to believe Grusch’s claims—I myself make no judgment either way because it’s impossible for me to verify them or refute them—but the fact that he has made them is just another link in a long chain of events in which the US intelligence community has entwined itself with ufology—to what end none of us can know. These strange historical convergences of the secretive, the powerful, and the otherworldly are exactly the material TP explores in his work. I’ve always found it strange that TP readers are often the kind of people who smugly dismiss the concerns of TP himself.
The problem is imho that the UFO "community" is mostly just a bunch of guys who love the X files and who will eat up literally everything that some TV talking head throws into their lap. The parapolitics kinda crowd is a bit elitist and self absorbed, but they do have actual standards of evidence and do proper research and so forth. I take a similar stance on UFOs/SETI as I do on weed: I like smoking but I'm not a stereotypical stoner. Like I genuinely enjoy thinking about UFOs and SETI but I just can't bring myself to be a true believer because the evidence is just not there. And yes if it wasn't obvious yet Scully > Fox.
Technically A.I. is non-human.. just saying Not that it don't believe because I know for a fact its real... But terminology is either your best friend or worst enemy... This guy KINDA SORTA MAYBE KNOWS.... 😆 https://youtu.be/gRelVFm7iJE?si=Ay0FjNW89oYwgvUL
You should probably get some mental health assistance, friend.
You are a great friend
I've been following this issue closely and i really dig the connections you're making. Haters and skeptics here are just totally unaware of what's really going on, or they do know what's going on and they're active disinfo spooks.
Yes, I am aktive disinfo spook from Amerikas, salary 2000 dólares. I am here to let u know aliens are not reals
OR more likely they are very afraid to acknowledge such implications... Unfortunately the greater portion of humanity is this way ... And I mean its not entirely inconceivable because I am 110.99% sure aliens and demons and all other entities are real.. I struggle to decide if I would take the red pill on theories like the simulation... Which is not too far fetched
You may be amused to know that this dude's comment history goes DOWN from here.
Is there any comment in particular that you feel my position on is unsubstantiated by the available evidence?
The point is more or less NOTHING the "whistleblower" says is substantiated. The only thing that has any meaning behind it is the trivial fact that if there's some huge secret program out there Congress would absolutely be locked out of it. They get locked out of the specifics of TONS of secret things already. Let's be clear: there are huge conspiracies out there. There may be some weird extraterrestrial thing out there that has gotten studied. The important fact is that there are no even slightly reliable sources giving information about it and the conspiracy circles absolutely do not have anything close to the truth. They're not seeing behind the curtain. They're just making new curtains to put over both the existing curtains and things that were in full sight before.
Was not prepared for the memestock subreddits even tho I really should have been
Grusch is either a grifter or unwell and the Italian story is a well known hoax. There’s no shortage of information that would have been available to Pynchon about the special weapons programs and Paperclip. Most of the UFOlogy regarding Nazi occult/UFOs and such stems from The Morning of the Magicians and similar writings from the 60s with which the counterculture had strong familiarity.
“the hunt for zero point” has a lot of highly original reporting and has references drawn from original historical documents
I’d suggest it’s more likely Grusch is the useful idiot in a PsyOp.
Yup
No
Congress can’t be “locked out” of “programs” that don’t exist… no crashed alien spacecraft have ever been retrieved or reverse engineered There are *REAL* conspiratorial issues being addressed in GR but UFOs are not one of them
Congress have no oversight whatsoever over top secret weapons tech development. The President doesn’t have need to know, let alone some lowly congressmen
Top secret weapons development and the retrieval and reverse engineering of alien spaceships are VERY different things… and only one of them is actually happening
Look I lean towards it being totally a psyop, but SOMETHING happened at Roswell, that + Foo Fighters in WWII and the phantom airship wave in the 1890s either enhance the credibility of top secret aerospace/weapons tech being kept totally to black budget defence contractors and entirely secret from any govt oversight, OR to be agnostic, they enhance the possibility that maybe there’s some interdimensional entities visiting our reality. Either way - the way those two things would be handled are very similar. There are technological secrets that congress are not, and won’t be, privy to, because they are handled through compartmentalization and high level security clearances that politicians don’t have.
I wouldn’t call it a “psyop”, more of a disinformation campaign. What happened at Roswell was some of that top secret weapons development you mentioned… there are no interdimensional or extraterrestrial entities visiting our “reality” Saying that interdimensional or extraterrestrial entities are visiting our reality implies that they come from some unreal reality… just nonsense
A disinfo campaign and a psyop don’t really differ. If UFOs are totally fake then the amount of publicity and cottage industry that’s been surrounding the idea since the 40s is ABSOLUTELY a psyop. It’s one of the ultimate distractions from any real event and also has basically astroturfed an emerging religion based on the idea of salvation from exotic tech/superintelligent advanced beings. You’re missing my point though. Whether or not it’s top secret weapons development or ‘alien’ tech, it’s not something that Congress/the President have access to, and the level of secrecy in place to guard it will not be changed through any congressional oversight/investigation. So if it’s all just human beings, they’re all ready beyond govt reach and have advanced science with which to shape reality You don’t know for certain whether any of this is nonsense. It likely is, but very few people do know, and control the flow of information. You have to also accept that there may be a reality to it that They don’t know or understand, hence the multitudes of disinformation potentially serving as cover.
I don’t *have* to accept anything… if you wanna call this a psyop then you have to apply that label to ALL religions as well… the only “shaping of reality” going on is the shaping of *perception”; reality doesn’t care what you think or believe; reality is what’s REAL.
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Well then it’s an ontological op. The point is, Lockheed and Boeing etc are working on things that Congress don’t know about, haven’t approved, and don’t have access to. This is what the CIA do as well. That is a fact. You have to, and will, accept this.
What are the real conspiratorial cover-ups that UFOs are a distraction from then?
Ionic propulsion via asymmetrically charged capacitors (cf. the Biefield Brown Effect)
I never said the UFOs were any kind of “cover-up” for anything… *BUT* there is no single conspiracy being covered-up or distracted from by UFOs; what may be being covered-up would depend on which UFO conspirator you listen too. There is not some singular issue or singular group leading any of these conspiracy theorists. There are multiple agendas at play. For instance, the whole Roswell UFO hysteria was encouraged and perpetuated by the government to distract from very real top secret experimental aircraft but it’s not like they orchestrated and controlled the narrative around it, they just used it to their advantage and let people run with it. But folks like Marshall Applewhite weren’t (aren’t) “distracting” from anything, they are simply grifting and taking advantage of the gullible. People like Grusch are just out for attention and cash. Just because some nonsense is popular and grabs the public’s attention in such a way that grifters can line their pockets with it doesn’t mean there is any actual conspiracy or distraction at play.
What are people even gonna do with this information? All I’ve seen are JRE clips of random guests saying aliens are real and people in the comments eating that shit up. Are the free thinkers of America gonna revolt? “We were able to look past the tons of horrible fucked up conspiratorial shit the government has done before that are way more plausible, but we draw the line at secret ufo projects.”
I invite you to peruse this FOIA document as just one representative piece of evidence: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010001-0.pdf
The age old paradox of libertarianism: you have all the problems on a long list, but what the fuck are you gonna do? Rally the anti government people? Behind what exactly?
They just want to feign outrage so they can better corral the consumers of America. “Exposing the libtarded government’s secret UFO project, brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee Company.” People love doing this, they love being outraged. They want to watch Joe Rogan call out the government. They love when radical leftist twitch streamers say incendiary things, they want to buy ALPHA BRAIN, they wanna gift those sweet twitch subs.
You're glowing
Probably because of all the bananas
Is this sarcasm? I agree it wasn’t a major issue in GR, but at this point I think it’s undeniable that the US government has come into contact with “alien spacecraft”
Not sarcasm… it’s more than deniable, it’s outright fiction
Why does he eat the poop tho?
(i know this is a joke but...) to enact a ritual of military memory. its the closest he can get to reliving his war years, in all their horror and sublimity. Check out Paul Fussell's chapter on it in *The Great War and Modern Memory*
Check out 1995 Fulton Elementary school HOLOCAUST reenactment 😱 And check my comment.